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Speaker 1: radio phonic novella. Loc Radio hosted by Malamla Locomotives. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to local Radio. Welcome back, Welcome back. This is

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Speaker 1: Mala and this is Thersan and we are your host.

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Speaker 1: Were coming to you once again from ESPA and boil Heights.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us, Thank you for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: Local Radio is a podcast archiving the brilliant geniuses and

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Speaker 1: legacies of women and films of color. It's so nice

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Speaker 1: to be back in the studio. Yes it is. It's

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Speaker 1: been a hot minute. Your local thoughts have been very busy.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. We've been running around all over the place.

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Speaker 1: We're exhausted, but we're having a lot of fun. We're

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Speaker 1: having a lot of fun. Um And just to recap,

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Speaker 1: you know, last time on Look at our Radio, we

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Speaker 1: if you haven't, it's a really great interview with Claudia

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Speaker 1: where we discuss self love as resistance stylist politics, specifically

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Speaker 1: and it was in Spanish. It was our first international

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Speaker 1: the events that we've been at. We have. We've been

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Speaker 1: plus the events in the prep, inda driving and all

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Speaker 1: that stuff that we love. We absolutely love all of it.

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Speaker 1: But it is time. And um, yeah, so we've been gigging,

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Speaker 1: yes we have. So at the beginning of the month

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Speaker 1: I'm freeing the name, but thank you Karen for inviting us.

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Speaker 1: And this is the second time that Karen's specific so

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Speaker 1: we love her. Shout out by someone shout out girl, Yes,

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Speaker 1: and um, we walked out of that. We walked out

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Speaker 1: of that workshop like did we just like talk about

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Speaker 1: home ship for like two hours? We didn't. At sucking

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Speaker 1: USC and an institute, an institution of higher education, we did,

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Speaker 1: doing anything to investigate or to find the people the

429
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: culprits um and also like the devaluization of ancestral knowledge

430
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: right and also being and then it's just also like

431
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: a white Canadian. He was a white Canadian and also

432
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: like a what is the word I'm looking for? But

433
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 1: it's like, so what I'm trying to say, what I'm

434
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: trying to say, what are leaving me right out? But

435
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is like the way there's

436
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,199
Speaker 1: like tourism specifically to go and like have these ceremonies

437
00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 1: by like indigenous folks like that that colonial neo colonial tourism.

438
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 1: There's tourism exactly. And then yes, you see what I'm saying, um,

439
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 1: and how that's also preyed on, right, and then the

440
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: cultural vulture exactly exactly exactly, because I mean, if if

441
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: you know anything about the Amazon, um, you know that

442
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: ayahuasca is a a plant that is native to the Amazon.

443
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: So there are a lot of white folks that do

444
00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 1: go to the Amazon specifically to have this like find

445
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 1: their souls type of ceremony. And it's very frustrating for

446
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: me to see this happened and then to see this

447
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: woman assassinating, this leader assassinated. So there's just a lot

448
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:16,960
Speaker 1: happening globally, and um, there must be more to that story.

449
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 1: There has right, I like we don't know yet. Um.

450
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:22,879
Speaker 1: But then also it turns out that this that the

451
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 1: man that that murdered Olivia was also murdered few days later.

452
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: And it seems like it was like a like the community,

453
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: which makes sense, which because there's no justice by the

454
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: legal system, especially if the tribes aren't um, the folks

455
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: in that community aren't advocated for by local police, which

456
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: is like many communities. It seems like they, like you know,

457
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: took justice into their own hands, which I totally get

458
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 1: because as we've talked about the sexual violence of police,

459
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 1: in action of police when it comes to responding to

460
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 1: violence against women. Anyways, So now what are we getting

461
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: into now Yosa okay? So um, now we are getting

462
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: into our Oyelonka segments, all right, right, so today we

463
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: actually have a different format, um for oyelokas were Actually

464
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be answering any questions today because

465
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 1: we want to address something that happened recently via Curious

466
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 1: Cat Me and we want to talk about it and

467
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 1: let our listeners know what's been going on. And I mean,

468
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: and it did happen during the month of April, right,

469
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: and it actually happened the day before our Multidimensional Home workshop. Yes,

470
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 1: and it happened over the span of several days. Actually, yes,

471
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: so we've posted about this, UM at least I did

472
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 1: on my Twitter and then UM on Instagram. We posted

473
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. But what we have experienced is some

474
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: definite misogyny and rape culture UM and violent messages. So

475
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 1: we started getting notifications that we were being tagged Yosa

476
00:25:55,520 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: and I and also Yoshwin Lords who is also like

477
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,800
Speaker 1: a feminist Twitter UM, and then also Hillary Clinton un

478
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't understand, but the ASA and I and look

479
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 1: at thought out. We're being tagged in the Curious Cat

480
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: inboxes of random women that we do not follow. We

481
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: don't know who they are. They don't follow us, they're

482
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 1: not listeners, we don't interact with them. And an anonymous

483
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: poster was tagging us and then writing like calling us

484
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: hoary kunts. You know, go get raped multiple times? Right,

485
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,159
Speaker 1: This is happening in multiple inboxes, So we're getting alerts

486
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,679
Speaker 1: over the span of several days. They also said to

487
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: jump off a bridge, to kill ourselves, jump off a

488
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: building and then get raped multiple times, multiple times, and

489
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: hoy kunts hory kunts over and over again, which is

490
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,919
Speaker 1: such a weird, such a weird thing to call us,

491
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: because number one, we call ourselves so many things that

492
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,199
Speaker 1: you could use like and like, at least make it

493
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: culturally relevant, call us keep it on brands. At the

494
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: very least, keep it on brand. And we gotta laugh

495
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: about it, you know, because these are the kinds of

496
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: things that make women creators not want to be on

497
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: the internet, not want to create. So we gotta like

498
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: also laugh about it, and like, at least, right, got

499
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: a hole, like, put some respect on it, some respect,

500
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: have some creativity. Call me a suckubus, you know what

501
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean, Make it interesting, like catch my attention. I'm

502
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: bored at this point, right right, you know. But it's

503
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: also so funny because in one of them this and

504
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,399
Speaker 1: we assume that it's the ASSA kind of came to

505
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,960
Speaker 1: the conclusion, and I agree that it's like a middle

506
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,439
Speaker 1: aged like an older Latino male and why And I

507
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: think I think that because, um, the use of the

508
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: word horror, um, when we're talking about just like just

509
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 1: I mean culturally like pop culture. Also you know, um,

510
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 1: you don't hear that word. You don't really hear horror

511
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: where I remember horror being horror and with a horror

512
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: and sluts. I feel like those were the words that

513
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: were used when I was when I was I was

514
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: a young girl, when I was little, I remember those

515
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 1: those were the words, right, slot and whore. And now

516
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: I feel like it's ho. It's thought, what are some

517
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: other ones mean? But I feel like ho, it's just

518
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: it's pretty Yeah, Ho, standard doesn't hear skunk. That's a

519
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 1: good one. You see, there's so many many I would

520
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: appreciate the don't even it doesn't It doesn't flow right.

521
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: And I also feel like like you have to be

522
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 1: a certain type of person, and I'm assuming that this

523
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,720
Speaker 1: person is a man. You have to be a certain

524
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: type of man to call women kunts yes, and so

525
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: I repeatedly, I do feel like this is an older,

526
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: older man, an older Latino man. And it's funny because

527
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 1: in one of them, yes, he's like, I don't want

528
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: to I don't want to listen to another one of

529
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: your missengerest podcasts. You know, go fund yourself. Who's forcing

530
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: you to listen to our podcast? Right? I don't understand

531
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: like someone is like tying this man down and like

532
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: like feeding them feminist propaganda and miss indury is what

533
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm understanding, yes, like tied down, like the eyes are

534
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: forced over right, right, It's like it's like it's like

535
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: a like in the Saw movie, but everything is paying

536
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: and it's our voices on a fucking like it's torture

537
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: or something. It's a black mirror episode, but just this

538
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: individual experiencing it, you know, right, It's like it's like

539
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: hyper feminist miss injury apparent. It's really bothering this person.

540
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if you're listening, like get

541
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: a hobby, like stop listening, you know, block us on, stopfstening,

542
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: block us alone. You know. I worry for the women

543
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: in your life. Be nice to them. I don't know

544
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: who you are. But one of our lookomotives commented that

545
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: maybe our podcast led his girlfriend to leave him. That

546
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: is a possibility, and I hope that that's what happened, right,

547
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: I hope that's the case. I don't understand it, but

548
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: I hope your girlfriend dumped your ab right, Okay, so

549
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: this has led us to actually close our Curious cat me. Yeah. Sorry, yeah,

550
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 1: sorry listeners, Sorry look at what is you? You'll still

551
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 1: be able to email us, email us questions. I know

552
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: we did like the like the anonymity of it, because

553
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: if folks like don't want to share their identities or whatever,

554
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: I want to keep it really anonymous. That was a

555
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: nice part of the Curious Cademy. But I also want

556
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: to note that, like this person was exposing other women

557
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: to this very violent language. So we want to think

558
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: about the women that were being sent these things anonymously,

559
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, and their women that we don't know. And

560
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: that's also why they were being publicized, because they're like, well,

561
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: who the funk is this right, So they publicized it.

562
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 1: I don't think maliciously, but I think because they're like,

563
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: I don't know who this is for. So also like

564
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: thinking about the women that are work ex closed to this,

565
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: you feel me? So yeah, and we're going to answer

566
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: the questions. So we took the questions from the Curious Cademy.

567
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: We have them, so if you've submitted them, your question

568
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 1: will be answered. But moving forward, um, it's only going

569
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: to be via email. Yeah, So you know, it's just

570
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 1: again like making this brick, tying it all in, and

571
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: this is another installment of like a firm defense cup

572
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: beat the little right and just kind of highlighting for everybody,

573
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: how like for for us like as women for from folks,

574
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: like talking about rape culture is something we do so

575
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: often because we literally experience it like all day, every

576
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: fucking day, like whether it's out on the street or

577
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: on the fucking internet, Like there's no area where we're

578
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: not affected by it. If we turn on the TV,

579
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: like it's likely if it's local news, you're I'm going

580
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: to run across the story about a missing woman or

581
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: her body found or a raped woman or whatever. If

582
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: it's on TV and it's like programming, it's going to

583
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: be like Game of Thrones or Law and Order, it's

584
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: going to be a show. There's like a seventy percent

585
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: chance there there's misogyny and rape culture on being exposed

586
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: to and then this kind of stuff, you know, and

587
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: like just the outright threats, and it's just like it's tiring.

588
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: It's tiring and old, and it's also old. It's so old.

589
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm so overtopped and thinking about the fact that I'm

590
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: going to continue to deal with this stuff. I was

591
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: talking to some high school students. I was teaching a

592
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: self defense class for high schoolers and I we were

593
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: talking with the girls about how many of them have

594
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: experienced street harassment, and how it makes them uncomfortable and

595
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: they take the bus and they walk and these are

596
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 1: all like Latina and black girls, right, And I told them, like,

597
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: you know, girls like I'm sorry, but you know, we

598
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: do these classes because I want to highlight for you

599
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: that this is something you're going to continue to deal with.

600
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: And I want you to at least feel like each

601
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: year you have more in your tool belt to deal

602
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: with it and respond to it as you begin to

603
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: understand it more. You know, absolutely, that's all we can do. Wow. Well,

604
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: on that note, men are still trash? What else is new?

605
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: I just like, don't really like, I just like y'all

606
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: just expose yourselves like you men, like you just proved

607
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: to us that we can't trust you, that you're like

608
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: horrible misogynistic and every bing disclosure, every new disclosure that

609
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: every male celebrity ever is a freaking right. No, Okay,

610
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: I saw this thing actually on Twitter and um it

611
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: was like shared, Okay, so I forgot to mention this

612
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: early or but there was actually a woman that was assaulted,

613
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: uh basically like attempted murder right in Fidu, actually in Lima,

614
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: and her name is a a vi Area And then

615
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:18,959
Speaker 1: is actually the many is actually calling it indental because

616
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: this man then knew her, he was like a former

617
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: co worker. He had been bothering her, harassing her for

618
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: a few weeks and he um basically poured gasoline on

619
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: her on a bus and set her on fire. And

620
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: she is still alive. She's in like intensive care units.

621
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: But tying this back in is that I saw this

622
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: tweet about this Moher said if the man, if there's

623
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: if there's men in your life and they're asking, well,

624
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: what did she do to basically have to make him

625
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: make him mad? Right? What is it that exactly? What

626
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: is it that she did? If you're hearing that you

627
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: need to get those men out of your lives and

628
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 1: run right? And that's very true, and it's very telling

629
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: like when these when and are saying like what was

630
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: she wearing? What did she do? Did she hit him first?

631
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 1: She must have pisted him off. No, if there if

632
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: they're act if they're asking those questions like you do

633
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: not want these people near you? You do not want

634
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: these men near you? Very real. I did an I

635
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: do story about this once or maybe it was on

636
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: my Twitter, I don't remember, but I talked about how

637
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: and this is like, this is a legit fear. Fear

638
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: of ours is like being attacked or being maimed, like

639
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: my face, like being attacked. If you are considered like

640
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,760
Speaker 1: an attractive women, all women like, regardless whether you're cis,

641
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: trans fat, a sex worker, you're experiencing some level of

642
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: sexual violence. It gets justified for different reasons. It gets

643
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:46,439
Speaker 1: explained away for different reasons. When you're attractive, when you're pretty,

644
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 1: and you have that pretty, privileged men are also very

645
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: much wanting and willing to destroy your pretty if they

646
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: can't have it right. When I was studying abroad in London,

647
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 1: I was constantly hearing stories on the news about ex

648
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: boyfriend and ex husbands and and scorned men pouring acid

649
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: on women in London and in public and also in

650
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: broad daylight. And there was a journalist and these are

651
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: not and people make assumptions that this is, oh, this

652
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 1: is like a Middle Eastern thing or an Arab thing. No,

653
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: this is also white men pouring acid as men in general.

654
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: Now in Latin America we have this case. It's not

655
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,439
Speaker 1: so much here in the US, but when men throw

656
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: acid on women, they do it very very specifically to

657
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 1: disfigure their faces, so that we are like unwanted and

658
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: not marriageable anymore. They know that the acid is not

659
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: going to kill us. When men, when men like do

660
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: trauma to women's faces and heads. And I think of

661
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: Rihanna and the picture that came out of her. All

662
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: the trauma was to her face. I can't tell you

663
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: how many domestic violence calls I responded to where all

664
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: the trauma is the face. There's this very distinct desire

665
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: for men to destroy our physical beauty if they cannot

666
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: have it or control it. I and like, yes, I

667
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: have lots of fears of being fucking attacked randomly. Guys

668
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: like this threatened us with ship on our curious Cat,

669
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: and then people know where we record or we're very

670
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: bad events. We people recognize us when we're out and

671
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: about and we're community events. So yes, I do. I

672
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: am afraid. If I stand offish, it's because I've seen

673
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: way too much and I know like how these fools

674
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: are and like right right, So it's like it's very

675
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: much finding this balance of like, yeah, we can joke

676
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: and we can laugh about like funk at least call

677
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,439
Speaker 1: us something better, right, But at the very same time,

678
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: like there is fear rooted in it because we are

679
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 1: very public, right you know where we're going to be

680
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: at if we're going to record, you know, and like

681
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: that has also like let us have different conversations about

682
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,840
Speaker 1: like recording spaces, you feel me. So it's like we

683
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: can't even do what we do, like we have to

684
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: we have to also have a safety plan to just record,

685
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: you feel me absolutely, And we've talked to like Nico Amira.

686
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: We were at a party and like we asked them.

687
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: So you know, like we've gotten some like scary like

688
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: messages and things and like antagonistic things online. So what's

689
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: our escape plan here at Espasio? Like how would we

690
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: do if somebody comes in here you know and having

691
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: those conversations. Um, so yeah, just putting that out there,

692
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: very real things that happened to us as right, Like

693
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: one time I was walking down Sunset and somebody shouted

694
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: out Mala from their car in passing and it was

695
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: a listener. It was a woman. So it's cool, So

696
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: it's fine. I was like, hey, it was cute, but

697
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: that you know, it's just like we are visible. There

698
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: are a lot of men on the internet that thirst

699
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: follow or that hate follow, and the hate follow is

700
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: a real thing. So that's just a larger convo I think,

701
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: like I would love to have a broader conversation with

702
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: women on the Internet and navigating the sexual violence of

703
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: online spaces and then when it translates to the in

704
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: real life spaces. Right, And it's like now that we're

705
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: in in this like digital age, right now that were

706
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: in this little digital age, like what does consent even

707
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: look like? Because these people, these men specifically have access

708
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: to basically your daily life if you're on Instagram, when

709
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 1: you're posting on your stories or you're you're posting about

710
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: where you're at, they literally have access to at this point, right,

711
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 1: and you don't necessarily you're not necessarily giving them that access,

712
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 1: you feel me, You're not giving it to them. You're

713
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: making it available, but you're not giving it to anybody

714
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: like for them to use however they want. Right, we

715
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: should be able to share without every little thing being

716
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: weaponized as a way to hurt us, you know, access

717
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: with the intention of causing harm. Yes, absolutely, all right,

718
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: we continue to have these combos, right, and they're still

719
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: like um like combos that we're having like with like

720
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: with our listeners. You feel me, where we don't have

721
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: the answers necessarily, like we're thinking aloud or just thinking

722
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: about having these convos with y'all. So I guess like

723
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: stay tuned. I guess, well we figure the shit out. Yeah,

724
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: And also like in some ways, and you know what,

725
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation too before about like kind of

726
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,880
Speaker 1: laughing to keep from crying, you know, and so like

727
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: women's humor is very macab because we're laughing about things

728
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: like being raped and murdered, because that's material that's constantly

729
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: in the forefront, right, Like, Okay, So a conversation that

730
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: we have that my partner I have is like and

731
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: it's very like hypothetical like apocalyptic stuff like what would

732
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 1: you do if there was a zombie attack type of thing?

733
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 1: And I go, and I go, I would just die

734
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you mean you wouldn't find him? Like, no,

735
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: I would just die. And that's kind of like my

736
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: way of being funny when faced with like and that's

737
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: obviously like a very hyperbole, hyperbolic like example of violence,

738
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: but it's like when you're when you're facing this like

739
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: day to day violence, it's very real, like rape culture

740
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: and sexual violence it's like, oh, I would just I

741
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: would just I don't know, like I would just not

742
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: deal with it. I would just die, like right, And

743
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: it's and that is like the kind of like macabre

744
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: humor that I have because I'm just like I don't know, yeah,

745
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: or like when when anybody who dates men? Right, Like

746
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: I had that tweet that I wrote right when men

747
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: that got like sixty five thousand or tweets and like

748
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand likes because people can relate. The girls

749
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 1: can relate, queer folks can relate. Anybody who date men

750
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: can fucking relate, right that, Like men, their biggest fear

751
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,480
Speaker 1: before a date is she gonna laugh me? Is she

752
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: fatter than her profile picture? Is she not going to

753
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: split half the bill? Whatever? They're little trite, fucking like

754
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: unimportant concerns are And then women, what do we do

755
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: before we go on a date? Share our locations, picture

756
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: of person, license plate? Where am I going? What time

757
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: do you call me to check in? Like so many

758
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: people were commenting of all their safety plannings. It was

759
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: so intricate, some of this ship just to go on

760
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 1: a date. Why because specifically we're afraid of getting kidnapped? Murdered. Yes,

761
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 1: you need my friends need to find my body, and

762
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: we joke about that ship. Yes, but it's very real.

763
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: It's a very real part of our lives, which I

764
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: think in a way normalizes it, which is why we

765
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: can make make jokes about it. You feel me, Like,

766
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: now I can joke about the fact that, like, yeah,

767
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: I broke up with the dude at the bar and

768
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: I was afraid, so I shared the location with my girls, right,

769
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: And I can laugh about it now when I go

770
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: by that bar, I'm like, oh, yeah, that's where I

771
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: broke up with so and so, And it's funny but

772
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, right, it's funny, but it's not. It's

773
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:04,359
Speaker 1: funny like like all these crazy, these weird, weird things

774
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: happen and then you don't realize how bad it was

775
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 1: you talked to about it to someone else that happened

776
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: recently with us, Moll and I, let's talk about you

777
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: have to go into a song, right, but we'll talk

778
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 1: about it briefly. We were with the cat Lazo and

779
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: Jack and we were telling them about some experiences with

780
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,759
Speaker 1: like past partners or people we were dating with our

781
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: ex Yeah, alright, our exes, and they were just like

782
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: looking at us and they were like, that happened. That's severe.

783
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: And I guess because Mom and I tell each other

784
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: these things while they're happening, and it was happening to

785
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: us at the same time, and it was the kind

786
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,879
Speaker 1: of the same ship, very similar things. So we were like, oh, yeah,

787
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: it was that was that was that was bad, right,

788
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: And sometimes it takes that outside perspective that it's be

789
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: hearing like the daily updates right to be like we

790
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: got out of it. We congrats, girl, we got out.

791
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: She's christ's a lot of time. So don't be too

792
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: hard on yourselves when you're back and forth in the

793
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: breakup and the getting away. It happened. Also, I want

794
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: to say, like it really happened. Don't let your friends

795
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: be judgmental about the fact that you're going back and

796
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: forth because you take your time exactly exactly, and your

797
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: friends should be UM, understanding and supportive, not judgmental. Shout

798
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: out mommy, collective, shout out collective. Whatever. Anyways, So we're

799
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: going into a song break, and then after the song break,

800
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 1: we're bringing on a special guest. We have a guest interview.

801
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: We've talked about so much, Um We also have a

802
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,959
Speaker 1: guest interview when we come back from our song break

803
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: you we will be interviewing Malayko Wilson creen ak Off

804
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: of FM and we're going to be talking about accountability,

805
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: call out culture, anti blackness, and her business and her work.

806
00:42:53,520 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: So stay tuned. Vodka and and friends, and and and

807
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and and and

808
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: and and and sends back and and send this and

809
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: and and send and and and um from from from

810
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 1: from from from um um um of it and little ship. Okay,

811
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: look on motive. Thank you so much for sticking with

812
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: us and tuning back in. We're back from our song

813
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: break and we have today another really wonderful guest who's

814
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: joining us for an interview. Uh. This is Malaica Wilson Green,

815
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: also known as Afro fem at a f r a

816
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: FM on Instagram. Um Malika is originally from Los Angeles

817
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: but currently resides in Oakland. Um Malika is an educator

818
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: and a business owner of a business known as two

819
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 1: Chicks in the Mix. And maybe she'll tell us more

820
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: about that as we have our conversation. So we want

821
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: to welcome Alica. Can you say hi to everybody and

822
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: introduce yourself. Hi everyone, I'm a laca UM. That's my

823
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,160
Speaker 1: name Instagram at fan so not with the oh with

824
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: an a um. And yeah, I'm a teacher. I'm a

825
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: pregool teacher and peach a private pre school in the

826
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: mission in San Francisco. And I live in Oakland and

827
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: I'm originally from wat California. UM and yeah, I want

828
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: a business that we work in Oakland and we work

829
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: in my fans with as well. That's my business, priner

830
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: it um. Oh yeah, those the things pick up most

831
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 1: of my time. That's amazing. Thank you for joining us today. Yes, yeah, no,

832
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: thank you for joining us and taking time out of

833
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: your schedule. I know that you're probably very busy. So

834
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: for our listeners who have been tuning in recently, we

835
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: spoke about on Capitulo UM thirty five catch up call

836
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 1: in we mentioned that Malika would be coming on the

837
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: show UM today to interview and to discuss like a

838
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,760
Speaker 1: variety of different topics. And on thirty five, if you remember,

839
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: we were discussing right anti blackness and Latino communities and

840
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: like intra community issues and like how we like responded

841
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 1: like inappropriately basically when Malika brought to our attention that

842
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: there was an issue with appropriation of black hairstyles with

843
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: like a photographer that we had worked with. Right. So

844
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: then like that developed into like a bigger conversation about, Okay,

845
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 1: how do we address this appropriately, um, keep holding ourselves

846
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: accountable and responding like appropriately to like you know, questions

847
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 1: of a community accountability. Right, Like when it's directly someone

848
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: what it involves someone that we've directly worked with and

849
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: have come into contact with or work with on a

850
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: regular basis. Because as we mentioned, UM, the photography that

851
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: we worked with is a part of an organization that

852
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: we have worked with and collaborated within the past. UM.

853
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 1: So really for us trying to navigate, you know, how

854
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: to go about this UM kind of like this community

855
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: intervention or really how to hold how how to hold

856
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: ourselves accountable and the folks in our community, UM, and

857
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: how to be better allies to black women in black fence.

858
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: So Malika, if you know, you're here with us, and

859
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: Malika is on a phone call with us right now,

860
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: so she's on the phone, UM, you know what would

861
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: be like your input and your two cents in your perspective,

862
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: like now at this point of you know, the conversation, Yeah,

863
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to like to talk about um kind of

864
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: like what my narrative was as part of like what

865
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:48,799
Speaker 1: happened and kind of like the initial yeah and then

866
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: came from like you guys kind of like a little

867
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: confect on me. And just like my own life, I

868
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: think that I've been kind of like in a mood

869
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: where I feel like it's really important to kind of

870
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: like confront issues like head on. I think like social media,

871
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: we've kind of got need too. Or I'm blaming social media,

872
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: but I think that they're like various reasons why. But

873
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 1: we've kind of got used to if somebody like offends you,

874
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: or if like you're an ally to a community and

875
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: that person is like a spending in that community, kind

876
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: of just like like allow that person, or we kind

877
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: of like we'll say something to our friend about that

878
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: person in person, but we don't say anything directly to

879
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: that person. And so I think I've been kind of

880
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 1: like in my own life, been wanting to be like, hey,

881
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: what would happen if I just look like hey, that's

882
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay, you know, And what would happen if I

883
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: continue to like first do that and kind of just

884
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: saw like accountability UM through because I just think that

885
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: there's a very few times in your life when you

886
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: get to like old people accountable and like we don't

887
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 1: never we really ever see what the end of accountability

888
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: can look like and what you know, what that even means.

889
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like in the move that

890
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: I am in and so UM, when you guys have

891
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: posted that you but like you had got your photos somedy.

892
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 1: This person I was like scrolling through her um Instagram

893
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: and was like, oh, she's be cool, Like this is

894
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 1: somebody who I might follow, And then I came across

895
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 1: psture and it had so much like praise on it,

896
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: like you was so good and things like that, and

897
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,239
Speaker 1: obviously that was like not okay for me because um

898
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: and you know just FORER listeners and so I know

899
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 1: you guys talked about it UM a little bit already,

900
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: but so all that sal was called individuals like where

901
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 1: I'm talking in different regions as uh, different names for

902
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: it um wherever you are, and so that's called individuals

903
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: to me, and it specifically requied girls. And I'll tell

904
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: you know, you're and your listeners like why it's just

905
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 1: not okay? Is that because my women are already seen

906
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: as like less feminine um in the scope of like

907
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: womanhood and femininity in general. And so we've come up

908
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: with ways And when I say we've come up with

909
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: it's not a reason like this existed ever, you know.

910
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: So we've come up with ways to like all that,

911
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: um hold femininity for ourselves and womanhood for ourselves. And

912
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 1: so to see people who are are the addically gonna

913
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: be seen as more feminine, uh, have something that we

914
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: keep fingering for herself, it's just like inappropriate. And that's

915
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: to say the LEAs um. So when I saw that,

916
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: just seeing them a little bit on me and I

917
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: didn't I wasn't hear anything like that. And that's kind

918
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: of like my choice because I know that there are

919
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 1: certain ways that you have to talk to get people

920
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: to like goody. And that's also just not the kind

921
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: of person that I am. I'm not like rude, I'm

922
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 1: not a bench you know, so I'm not a mean girl.

923
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: So I just was like, hey, you know, I don't

924
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: need to can do but this sell is not for

925
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: you if you're not black, you know, even giving her

926
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: the chance to say, but I am black. But some

927
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,800
Speaker 1: people are black and they just don't look at you

928
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: know so. Um, so that was it. I didn't call

929
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: up for anything like that. And then when I saw

930
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: that you guys have posted again that, um, you know,

931
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: thanks for getting for like working with us all by

932
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: referencing her and I went back to her a page

933
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: and she had blocked seat. And that's that's just kind

934
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: of like you know, um, like where I'm from, it's

935
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: kind of like you may do it several different thing

936
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: so like if somebody said something to you, at least

937
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: have the decency to like to defend yourself, you know

938
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: what I mean. It could be like whatever you have

939
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: to say could be bullshit, but it's okay if I

940
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 1: cut Yeah, but just respect me, I think, being like

941
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 1: we're communicating together, or we should be communicating together, Like

942
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to sell you're one of a color,

943
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: you know, like if you have these sether values, then um,

944
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 1: emphasize those values and communicate to me like as if

945
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: I look like you're equal, you know, don't block me,

946
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: you know so. And that's kind of like when I

947
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: spoke see you guys, and I know that you guys,

948
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,879
Speaker 1: and I probably would have never message you guys, kind

949
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: that not been an episode on Anti black Man or

950
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: so I kind of felt like you guys were you

951
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: have prioritized that, you know, in your own lives and

952
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: in the podcast, so well that was that was more

953
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,399
Speaker 1: And I didn't have any aspectations. It was more just like, hey,

954
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: I don't really know like why I'm messaging you guys

955
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: about this. I'm just looking for like some transference and accountability,

956
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: you know. Sure, yeah, and you know we already went

957
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: over like the response and like the ways that it

958
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: was like problematic iNTS like that. And I think that, um,

959
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 1: from this like situation and also other situations that I've

960
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 1: been in, I've seen like that's like criticized callout culture.

961
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: And that's fine, Like I don't I'm not. I don't

962
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: feel cassionately about culture and I don't feel like badly

963
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: about it, you know either. Um, but I see a

964
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 1: lot of people use it as a way to, like

965
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: the letter say well, we don't agree with called culture,

966
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 1: therefore we're not going to engage with it, you know.

967
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: And that And I was talking to somebody the other

968
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: day and it's like I think maybe all all the

969
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: like young spears are like bolideal queers of color needs

970
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: to have like some type of like round table and culture,

971
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: because I'm just like I don't see that it's called

972
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: out culture. Like to me, there's a very specific thing

973
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: about like call our culture, which is like I've laughed

974
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: you on Facebook about some abusive behavior that you've had,

975
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: or like I write a blog close about you that

976
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: gets like a hundred thousand vieceas about like what a

977
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: shitty person you are. Kind of like what I feel

978
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: as called culture, or like if somebody eat that from

979
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: being wrong on like a big book group and like

980
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 1: they're like kind your comments telling that person like wotting that,

981
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: like that's kind of like what I be a culture,

982
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: but like that real life, real life that people have

983
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,759
Speaker 1: so many different definitions. But I think that there has

984
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: to be like a face where like this is this

985
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: accountability and you're just saying like that's wrong and you're

986
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: infecting your and then they're called up on you. Yea yeah, yeah,

987
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: absolutely yeah, And I think that it's fine. And I

988
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: think that that's kind of like what I want to

989
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: talk about. It's just like what our ideas about cal

990
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: culture and like howlo culture might or might not be

991
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: different from just being like pay that's not okay with me,

992
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean I think when

993
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:42,879
Speaker 1: you have like more access to a person, that's when

994
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,840
Speaker 1: kind of like the like the intra community dialogue can

995
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 1: happen where even if it's you have your phone number, right,

996
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 1: or even if it is via social media, but let's

997
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: say like a group chat or a Facebook group, you

998
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because it's like there's multiple people

999
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,320
Speaker 1: in it and like y'all kind of have there's and

1000
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: usually in Facebook groups there there are some type of

1001
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 1: community guidelines, so there are those types of things to

1002
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 1: guide the conversation. UM. So I feel like that's different

1003
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: because you have access to a person, right, But then

1004
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: when it becomes like maybe it's someone you don't know

1005
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: and and it kind of just takes on the life

1006
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: of its own. I think that has when in our

1007
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: experience where we have seen it be really harmful to UM,

1008
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 1: to women, to women that are creating online right, right,

1009
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: I think yeah, like for us, like we're talking about,

1010
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: there are these different levels well just like the Internet

1011
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: in general, right, there's so many different levels and layers

1012
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: and communities on the Internet. And like you mentioning UM

1013
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: like about different definitions of call out culture. Like right

1014
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: before the episode episode thirty five that we did, we

1015
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: had done an episode like specifically about like callouts as well,

1016
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,279
Speaker 1: right and like the death how callouts get out of

1017
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 1: control and how people pile on and then like now

1018
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: women are receiving death threats and their inboxes and and

1019
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: like we spent a lot of time on Twitter as

1020
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: well and sort of seeing how like in the latinox

1021
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 1: sort of like Twitter spaces, there's also that like propensity

1022
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 1: for like callouts to turn into like pylons where now

1023
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: people are joining in using it as an opportunity to threaten,

1024
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: like the person like in the in the middle of it,

1025
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: you know. So like I think that's like our our

1026
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,560
Speaker 1: background and how we have seen callouts unfold. But I

1027
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: think in like this particular instance, UM, we like I

1028
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: did want to hold we did, and we do want

1029
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: to hold this person accountable further actions. Um. And it's

1030
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: we're kind of like at an impact at a stand

1031
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: still in a way because we have like, um, you know,

1032
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: reached out to this person multiple times and I like

1033
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: honestly texted her this past week and I honestly hope

1034
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: she's listening. And I was like, you really ghosted us,

1035
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like really disappointed in this beha we got

1036
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 1: zero response whatsoever. We like I unfollowed her like because

1037
00:54:55,880 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: it's like that's not cool, right right? And um, for me,

1038
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:06,879
Speaker 1: like it was really um frustrating because this person came

1039
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: from like a place of like I want to work

1040
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: with y'all and I want to build with y'all, and

1041
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: like here's this opportunity for us to work together, and

1042
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,960
Speaker 1: we were like, oh, yeah, of course, sure, let's definitely collab.

1043
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: And then to see this person then respond in these

1044
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 1: ways to not only us, right to not respond not

1045
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,280
Speaker 1: only to us, but then also to you another community

1046
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: member who was also you know, just trying to have

1047
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: a conversation. So it's I think we're like still not

1048
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 1: just us specifically, but I think on a community community level,

1049
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 1: especially now with like social media being a tool for

1050
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: us like trying to figure out what we're supposed to

1051
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 1: Like what do we do? We sent an email? Right,

1052
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: we did? Do you want to talk about the email

1053
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:50,879
Speaker 1: that we sent? Sure? Um? We so, um we sent

1054
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: an email because I mean I'm sure by now y'all

1055
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: know what organization we're talking about, right, Even though we

1056
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: haven't named them. Um, we sent an email to the

1057
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: director of the organization that this photograph for mentors with

1058
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: and we basically line by line where like, this is

1059
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: the situation, this is what happened. This person was unresponsive

1060
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: and was harmful in these ways. We're really disappointed and

1061
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 1: saddened by this person. And they represent your organization. So

1062
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: in case this comes back to you in any way,

1063
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: like this is what happened, and also try and have

1064
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: the conversation on their end, because I'm not going to

1065
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,759
Speaker 1: I'm not going to show up in her house, you

1066
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, like we've reached out. No, but

1067
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: I think like when once you have that position of

1068
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: being a mentor, like you're you're older, right and you're

1069
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: mentoring young girls. I mean, I don't know that there's

1070
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: something really it feels weird to me, you know, so

1071
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: just to like bring that into like were we like

1072
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: it's not something that we just like dropped, you know,

1073
00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:49,400
Speaker 1: we don't just take it lightly like we have like

1074
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: attempted to follow up and the follow up to the

1075
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,879
Speaker 1: follow up basically Yeah, yeah, I mean it's like it's

1076
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: kind of like not to you know, because it's not

1077
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: just her problem, Like I think it's a cultural problem

1078
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: we're talking about like our community, and it's not gonna

1079
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: like demonize her at all. I think even like I

1080
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: would be open if she like messes me right now

1081
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:13,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, hey, I'm really sorry, you know

1082
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's not even when my work you

1083
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,200
Speaker 1: selling you guys, it's not even like personal you know

1084
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: that mean, it's more like here's what here's what it

1085
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: needs to meet. The action is here's what I'm meant

1086
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: for I coming in also just like as a social experiment,

1087
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: like what will happen if I really like follow through,

1088
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? There were like it's not

1089
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: that thing would feel like this drop it And I

1090
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 1: could have just dropped it because it's not it's not

1091
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: a huge deal, you know what I mean. It's not

1092
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: like you guys can do like the worst thing that

1093
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: could have been done. But I think it's more just

1094
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: like we're in the same community, you know, and I

1095
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: think it's like a deep value for community. Then the

1096
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 1: least that you could do was like have a response,

1097
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:47,919
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I think it's it's

1098
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 1: strange that people get so focaled down and like what

1099
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: they think that they can do and what they feel

1100
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: entitled through that they are not even open to a conversation.

1101
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: And that's just that's my bottling to me, Like you

1102
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: can't even have a time relation. Yeah, you can think

1103
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: whatever you want, but you can't even have a conversation. Yeah,

1104
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, that's that's kind of like

1105
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, it's crazy. Well yeah, I mean I

1106
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 1: think ultimately that's what we wanted to Like, we were like,

1107
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: we can have this conversation because we're very aware that

1108
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: this is this is not just like this of course

1109
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: as an individual's actually but the story to like a

1110
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 1: very large, a larger issue right in the community in

1111
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: Latino communities. Um, so we totally understand. Well, I think

1112
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 1: like it became a social experience for all of us,

1113
00:58:33,440 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: like because yeah, like you know, on your end, you know,

1114
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: like approaching it however, like and then on our end

1115
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 1: it becoming kind of revealing very you know, revelatory for us,

1116
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 1: because like you're saying, like, if it wasn't for the

1117
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: follow through and the reach out, we wouldn't have had

1118
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 1: this situation with her, and we wouldn't have seen this

1119
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: from her. You had had all of this not the

1120
00:58:57,040 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: dominoes had not all fallen kind of thing. It's also

1121
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: like one of those things where like people really just

1122
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: show themselves. But um, but I've been okay, you see

1123
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: perquy like on this topic, um just like broadening it.

1124
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,920
Speaker 1: And I think that this is kind of like you know,

1125
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: you could do a salavent as for folks on this,

1126
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: but I think it's a value for me to kind

1127
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: of like reach out and say like that's not okay

1128
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: and like have that conversation because I'm still think in

1129
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,560
Speaker 1: a way that we get really comfortable with like un following,

1130
00:59:24,680 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, and it's kind of like I see like unfollowing.

1131
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: It's a it's a jump. But it's like you know,

1132
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: in recent news, like we've been seeing a lot of

1133
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: people like calling the police one bright people for like

1134
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:39,240
Speaker 1: literally no peason and and so instead of like going

1135
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: to a person and being like hey, what you're doing

1136
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: fothering like it's still bullshit, Like they're not bothering that

1137
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: at all. But like you can't even go to the

1138
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: person and have a conversation and be like I'm calling

1139
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 1: the police because when you're doing it's like a dissensity

1140
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: or its fathering or whatever, you know what I mean,

1141
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: Like and I see that kind of like in the

1142
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: same way if it's like we kind of like unfollow

1143
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 1: people or we were used to engage we even we

1144
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: don't have practice in like language about like the fantine

1145
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: behavior or addressing behavior whether it's wrong or whether it's right,

1146
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: whether or being racist er and like us or whether

1147
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: you know, whatever position you're in. We just have no practice.

1148
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: And actually like her fronting the issue, and so I

1149
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: do really see those issues as related, you know what

1150
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: I mean. And the more we kind of like existed

1151
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: from like semic connection or just like with ourselves, the

1152
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: more we're gonna call the po people on black people

1153
01:00:25,480 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 1: if we're gonna be killed, and the more you know,

1154
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna like this iss ourselves for most community. Like

1155
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: she's offers bid right now, you know what I mean,

1156
01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: because she's Afics like fel you guys, somebody who she

1157
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: wanted to work with and like maybe from the people

1158
01:00:37,880 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: who were missil mistoring her. And like she has uncalled people,

1159
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,680
Speaker 1: she's gonna follows. She's talking when it's like why do

1160
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: you want that just because you want to wear an

1161
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: hair cell that doesn't belong to you because you're so

1162
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: It's like, and that's the kind of like what I've

1163
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,320
Speaker 1: felt when I'm trying to you guys, was like we

1164
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 1: might not know each other, we're wearing the same community

1165
01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: and it's even if we're not, we could be in

1166
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: the same community, you know. And it's just like, and

1167
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: when we call the police, black people are option finding

1168
01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: and we're saying that we want you to we want

1169
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: you to put in jail and maybe want you to

1170
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: be here because this is where you belong. It's like,

1171
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: don't something may seem like very related, but they're definitely related.

1172
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: Like what I was talking about at the pomp that

1173
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: I've seen was just like the like the thing, you

1174
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: know what that active kind of renting issue, you know,

1175
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: whether the media and I'm not gonna do you know

1176
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: that really like compresting those issues, right, That's true. Like

1177
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: the communication is something that just like anything else, it's

1178
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: something that we have to practice, right and something UM well,

1179
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: like we mentioned also at the beginning of this episode

1180
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 1: and sort of in our prep with you, Malico, we

1181
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,680
Speaker 1: talked about earlier in this episode, UM discussions of wrapping

1182
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: up discussions of Sexual Assault Awareness Month. UM sexual violence

1183
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: that's been taking place forever, and but we're talking so

1184
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: much more about it, right and so we already kind

1185
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: of had some discussions about team dating violence but also

1186
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: about confronting issues. UM, we also want to make sure

1187
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,120
Speaker 1: that we take time today to also make space to

1188
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 1: to discuss UM the sexual assault that was perpetrated against

1189
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: Carlin Police Department officers. UM against a black women named

1190
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: Shakisha Clemens and I'm probably saying her first name wrong

1191
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,520
Speaker 1: in Alabama. UM, So we wanted to bring up you know,

1192
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: that case as well, just to also like hold space

1193
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: for her and maybe if there was anything that you know,

1194
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 1: you've been thinking about or discussing in April and Sexual

1195
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Assault Awareness Month or with that case and the discussions

1196
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: going on around her and how to be supportive or

1197
01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 1: how to respond UM when the state, specifically in this case,

1198
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 1: police officers are committing these really horrible acts of physical

1199
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 1: and sexual violence. UM, if you had any thoughts that

1200
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 1: you wanted to share, Yeah, I mean, thank you for

1201
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:50,800
Speaker 1: like purdaying that and having been been on your your show.

1202
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: I think like I thought the the the video of

1203
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: it and obviously would just like aren't from getting like

1204
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,959
Speaker 1: discussed it yeah, and that like this this like sense

1205
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: of control, like even when she started to kind of

1206
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:05,160
Speaker 1: like off with her hands, like the officer like took

1207
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: her hand and was like like okay, like you know,

1208
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: like what is she gonna she gotta do it. It's

1209
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: like it's almost like laughable, but it's also not UM.

1210
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 1: But I think that what I would like to ask

1211
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: to the conversation. First of all, it's like you don't

1212
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: see the response UM from the waffle house like that

1213
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: we're thinking against start us, which is like boycott and

1214
01:03:23,080 --> 01:03:26,640
Speaker 1: when the sun Us things point first happened obviously, like

1215
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: I was like mothered by it, but I try to

1216
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: like divest if anything happens to do with like master

1217
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: or maybe or man like on my radar. UM. But

1218
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:40,200
Speaker 1: it seems just like, you know, don't think that will

1219
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: just like men or black men, and when they're like

1220
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: attack or like UM treating unfairly that we won't do

1221
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: for black women. You know that one thing. I think.

1222
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: The second thing is like the narrative around it is

1223
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: UM has a lot been about like, well they're not

1224
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: doing anything, they're not doing anything to where that we've been.

1225
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: And while that's very true, I think we have to

1226
01:04:01,160 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: shift the narratives from like, well, what if they were

1227
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: doing something, there should there still should not be this

1228
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: police response. You know that. And you know me, I'm

1229
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 1: a very um radical and politics police abolitionist. I don't

1230
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 1: believe that. I feel you that they occupy our country,

1231
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: in our in our lives. So if we really operate

1232
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: with this idea that like there are other responses that

1233
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: we could have to um black people in general, because

1234
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, obviously we see the problem as being black

1235
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: people in general. It's not black people are doing anything,

1236
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:36,840
Speaker 1: it's black people in general. And so um, I kind

1237
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 1: of like, well, they're not doing anything, they're not doing

1238
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,240
Speaker 1: anything for the polic should not before ah, But like

1239
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,720
Speaker 1: we don't we justify when we say those things. We

1240
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 1: just defy when like people are doing something like it's

1241
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,840
Speaker 1: they're selling trugs, get there arguing with somebody, if there's anything,

1242
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: and for no reason should anybody get treated like that.

1243
01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:55,520
Speaker 1: If she was cutting somebody out, if she was there naked,

1244
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: if she was there doing anything that she was doing,

1245
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: there's no reason for simp acted that way. And I

1246
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: think we have to ship the conversation to really think

1247
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 1: about the way that we gentify the police are from

1248
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: by people in the way that we don't this supply

1249
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,440
Speaker 1: um and so this like they had said, like respected

1250
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: boy who not absolutely you know the whole perfect um

1251
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: you know, had her rent or whatever. And I mean

1252
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 1: people would be like who are like you know about

1253
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: like what a validation we give the police um and

1254
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: the way that that kind of like happens, you know absolutely,

1255
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:33,360
Speaker 1: and and you know, I think it's so important to

1256
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 1: talk about police and sexual violence UM, especially during sexual

1257
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: assault Awareness months, because like in my work as a

1258
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: crisis counselor, I always talked to survivors about the fact

1259
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:49,280
Speaker 1: that like so many survivors, like women across racial lines, UM,

1260
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,640
Speaker 1: when women call the police quite often, like survivors of

1261
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,560
Speaker 1: domestic violence are arrested and spend the weekend in jail.

1262
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: And I get those hotline calls all the time, and

1263
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: I have those clients or clients who their abusers are

1264
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,000
Speaker 1: police officers, and we can talk about how police have

1265
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: the highest rate of domestic violence of of any demographic

1266
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: and how just very generally right like when we talk

1267
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 1: about policing, it is a very sexually violent institution. And

1268
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: then to see that playing out with that you know

1269
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Speaker 1: specifically and the anti blackness and the misogynoire like wrapped

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Speaker 1: up in all of it. I think it's just so

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Speaker 1: like it's just so nuanced, but it's so impactful. Um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just really grateful that you know that, like

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Speaker 1: you're also like here to talk about it and give

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Speaker 1: your two cents and to talk about you know, sexual

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Speaker 1: violence against black women, you know, as we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Sexual Assault Awareness Month in general. You know, so thank

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Speaker 1: you for your your perspective. Thank you absolutely so. I

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Speaker 1: think now we're sort of winding down. Yeah, so we

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Speaker 1: wanted to ask you, um, if they're so for one, like,

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Speaker 1: if you for where folks can follow you, and if

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Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about your business. I know, like

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Speaker 1: your one half of two ticks in the mix, So

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Speaker 1: if you wanted to talk about that and plug people

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Speaker 1: to that so they can follow you and support. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Um. I felt like I've been my Instagram

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Speaker 1: is as for us them, UM, so you know I

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Speaker 1: would love people to like message me on the or

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Speaker 1: like probably and messages me like tell me what you

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Speaker 1: thought about like what I've said around just like accountability

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Speaker 1: and something that like I really want to hear other

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Speaker 1: people's thoughts around like yeah, well we're talking about um

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Speaker 1: and then yeah, I felt always sefferent the business part

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Speaker 1: of my life and you can't order anything. Um. So

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Speaker 1: we're based in l A and an oak plan so

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Speaker 1: we felled I montly, but we could pay the priest

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Speaker 1: even um catering and things like that. So that's two ships.

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Speaker 1: Learn dot com spelled the regular way and afo our Instagram.

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Speaker 1: That's really cute. I saw that y'all recently had like

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Speaker 1: a tea party or something really fabulous. Can you talk

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Speaker 1: about can you talk about that? Yeah? So that was

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Speaker 1: a lot of time I've been with partners in l A.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, so said or how which is a

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Speaker 1: really beautiful home and there I um, and so yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna do more, um and hered in me all

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Speaker 1: the like that ending some one handled before our partner. Um,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah we're gonna do more. So yeah, definitely all

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Speaker 1: announced like that. Thank you me so much. So we're

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Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and we'll make sure. Yeah, well we'll

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Speaker 1: post your your handles um when we post about the

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Speaker 1: episode as well and on the YouTube. So in closing,

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Speaker 1: you know, thank you everybody or locomotives our listeners for

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Speaker 1: tuning in to get another radio This is right? Did

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Speaker 1: I say that correctly? With UM? Yes? So to follow

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Speaker 1: us to tune in UM. You can listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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Speaker 1: watch the behind the scenes. And that's at YouTube dot com,

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Speaker 1: slash local Radio and it's always You can keep up

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Speaker 1: and Twitter at Local Underscore Radio. And if you feel

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Speaker 1: so inclined to move to do so, please leave us

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Speaker 1: a review on Apple podcast. So closing, you want to

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Speaker 1: thank Malico once again for joining us as our guest

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Speaker 1: on this episode, for chatting with us, and we will

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Speaker 1: see you on the internet and hopefully we can do

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Speaker 1: brunch or something we're in l A or a two

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Speaker 1: party or a tea party. Okay, we'll talk to you later.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, everybody, Thank you, thank you,