1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Love night, Ron Andanian. Some people aren't interested in continually 2 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:14,239 Speaker 1: maintaining a vehicle, and it's an awful, big waste of time. 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: And it also gives the industry a bad name because 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:18,479 Speaker 1: everybody gets the perception that old mechanics are really about 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: is fixing cars and making money. The Car Doctor counting 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: cars for the sake of just counting cars to know 7 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: what to sell and try to sell and do the upsell, 8 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: and how they try to make sure the customer's car 9 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 1: is repaired, and they extract every dollar they came out of. 10 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,199 Speaker 1: It's just something to make you aware of. Welcome to 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: the radio home of Ron Andanian, the Car Doctor, since 12 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: this is where car owners the world overturned to for 13 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:46,640 Speaker 1: their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving 14 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: you a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six, and 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: now he running. Hey, come on in, start your engines 18 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 1: if they do, and if they don't, then you want 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: to stick around for sure for the next two hours. 20 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: I'm roningating in the Car Doctor, and we are here 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: to talk about your car, your engine, and everything in 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: between to help you solve it and understand it at 23 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: a better rate. The phone numbers eight five five five 24 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. That's right, the Car Doctor 25 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: seven phone number eight five five five zero nine nine 26 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: zero zero. Call it and let's see what's going on 27 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: and we'll figure it out together. 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If you 45 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: go to the car Doctor Facebook page, you'll see it 46 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: it talks about new Exxon Synergy gasoline. And I said, 47 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: to myself, look at that. Exxon came out with a 48 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: new gasoline. And then I read the details and it 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: talks about, you know, things that allude to and point 50 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: you in the direction that they're worried about the formulation 51 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: of the gasoline for government regulations, and they're also worried 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: about the formulation of the gasoline for detergent additives and 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 1: carbon deposits. And I I kind of had a conversation 54 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: in my head. I said, Gee, didn't we talk about 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 1: this a couple of three or four months ago? And 56 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, for all you naysayers out there must have 57 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: been Hillary voters. You people just decided to say, no, 58 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: that's not possible, that couldn't be. And well guess what, 59 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: there you go. So I guess there must have been 60 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: enough of a demand and enough of a reason to 61 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: make a carbon a big issue that they're changing the 62 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: formulation of gasoline again. And even though I know we 63 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: couldn't find anything proof positive because it seems like nobody 64 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: at ep A wants to talk about it, Nobody anywhere 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: wants to talk about it. You know. I've come to 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: the decision that the gasoline formulas and how they're always changing, 67 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: they're kind of like that distant uncle Bob that comes 68 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: to the family reunion every once in a while. Nobody's 69 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 1: quite sure who he is, and he sits over there 70 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: in the corner and they know that he's there, but 71 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: you know, they choose to ignore him, and he chooses 72 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: to ignore you, and you get along at a great 73 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: you know, long distant relationship. And uh, I think that's 74 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: what the gasoline refiners are going through right now with 75 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the government, because it seems like there's an awful lot 76 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: going on and nobody's talking about it. I will tell 77 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: you this though. One of the things people are talking about, 78 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: or one of the things I'm noticing, is anybody listening. 79 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: You know. I was thinking of Frasier, right, you know, 80 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: the radio show Frasier, who had always opened the show 81 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: with I'm listening. You know what I'm listening? Are you 82 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: phone rings in the shop? This week? God's honest, true story. 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: I've come to the conclusion that I want to find 84 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: the pharmacy in America that's selling. I don't know, Tom, 85 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: Can I say stupid on radio? Okay, stupid pills because 86 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: it's gotta be. There's just there's just no other explanation. 87 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: Because one day everybody's like sharp as attack, and the 88 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: next day it's you answered the same question seven times 89 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: in the space of thirty seconds, and it's it's like 90 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: nobody's listening. I don't get it. One phone call my 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: car overheated. I saw it overheat on the way to work, 92 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: and I drove it anyway, and then I got home 93 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: and it's it's it's overheating now. And do you think 94 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: I hurt the engine? I don't know, bring it in? Well? 95 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: Do you think I damage the engine? I don't know? 96 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: Bring it in? Well? Do you think I should bring 97 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 1: it in? No? Bring it in? Like what you know? 98 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: What's I can't I can't reach through the phone and 99 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,119 Speaker 1: diagnose the problem. I have to see it, and even 100 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: then I'm probably going to have to fix the cooling 101 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: system issue that made it overheat, and at that point 102 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: decide whether or not any engine damage was done. One 103 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: of the things. Yes, Tom, Tony and I are just 104 00:04:57,920 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: sitting here looking at each other. You can't reach through 105 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: the phone to diagnose it. You are the car doctor. Well, 106 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: I can hear through the phone, but I can't reach 107 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: through the phone. If I could reach through the microphone, 108 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: I knock you two out and continue on with the 109 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: show and interrupted. But that was pretty good. How it's 110 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: a good comeback? I got you. Yeah, I get I'll 111 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: pay for it during the break. The thing I'm trying 112 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to make light of and point of is you've got 113 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: to listen to the mechanic, all right. To me, it's 114 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: a simple process. You call my cars broke, I gotta 115 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,479 Speaker 1: bring it in. I gotta get it fixed. Here's what 116 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: it does. And maybe he doesn't even want to hear 117 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: every little detail on the phone, because it's gonna get 118 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 1: lost in translation. One of the most effective ways of 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: communication is write it down. And if you were to 120 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: call the shop, and I'm not suggesting you do by 121 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: any stretch of the imagination. What I'm saying is, if 122 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: you were to call the shop, one of the first 123 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: things I'm going to say to you in the first 124 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: thirty seconds is do you have email? Yes, send me 125 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: an email, describe the problem, and I will get back 126 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: to and tell you what the next steps are. It's 127 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: it's right in front of me this way. There's no hearsay, 128 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: there's no repetitiveness, there's no wasted motion in a repair shop. 129 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: Wasted motion is the disease, it really is. It's about 130 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: being efficient, it's about being an operating in a timely manner. 131 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: She can get the car done. Please don't call any 132 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: repair shop three o'clock on a Friday afternoon and ask 133 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 1: for a service to be done on an emergency basis 134 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: and be put off if they should happen to say, well, 135 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: you know, we're kind of busy. It's Friday, it's three o'clock. 136 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: We're trying to get cars out. There's a thing about 137 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: repair shop etiquette. And it seems like that entitlement thing 138 00:06:38,279 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: that we're all sick and tired of in this country 139 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: has has grown into the repair shop business. Been there 140 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: for a while actually, and we're looking for people to 141 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: be aware of it. It helps, all right, I'll tell 142 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 1: you this. The person that's going to get the most 143 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: attention in my shop and most of the shops around me, 144 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: is the one that calls up and says, hey, I'm 145 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: sorry to bother you. But it starts the conversation a 146 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: little softer. You do that three o'clock on a Friday afternoon, 147 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: you might actually get somewhere because we react to kindness. 148 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: I'm not looking for, you know, cow talent. We're just 149 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: looking for kindness. My point is, and here's the bottom line. 150 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: If you call up and you repeat yourself seven times 151 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: and the answer doesn't change, take the hint. It's probably 152 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: that's the answer and you're not. You can't keep getting 153 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: the mechanic to talk to get to the point where 154 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: he gives you the answer that you want to finally here, 155 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,680 Speaker 1: because then he's not being fair to you. You've got 156 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: to pick a mechanic because I know this is in 157 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: the conversation somewhere, because people are out there shaking their 158 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: heads saying, well, you know, I can't find a good mechanic. 159 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: There are no good mechanics. Trust me, there's a lot 160 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 1: of good mechanics in this country. There's a lot of 161 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: bad ones. There's a lot of guys that shoot themselves 162 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: in the foot each and every day. There's a lot 163 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: of guys. I understand why this industry has a bad name, 164 00:07:50,000 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: but there are guys out there that pour their heart 165 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: and soul into this business each and every day, and 166 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: they're out there. You just have to find them. You 167 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: have to talk to them. You have to get over 168 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: yourself to get to them, to let them do their job. 169 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: And I think that's the key, and that's something that 170 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: the consumer doesn't really like to do. I get it. 171 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: I get the fear part. I understand that we had 172 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: a car this week, um the proverbial little old lady 173 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: car and you know, she's approaching ninety, and you know, 174 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: I understand she had a dead battery, and I understand 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: the nervousness and she's giving up the car that she 176 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: doesn't really drive and need to go anywhere, but it's 177 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: got to be in the driveway. I get that psychology, 178 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 1: all right. I have a connection with that customer, and 179 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: I have a I have a relationship with that customer, 180 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: and I will do each and everything I can to 181 00:08:33,840 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: get that car back to that customer so that I 182 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: can sit in the driveway because that makes her feel good. 183 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: But what I can't do is reach through the phone 184 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: and diagnose it until the car comes into the shop 185 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: so that I can see just what the numbers are. 186 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,439 Speaker 1: And that's really the bottom bottom line. Auto repairs about numbers. 187 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: It's about what the specs are, what the electrical drain 188 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: might be, what the any freeze cool and protection level 189 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 1: number is, and and so on. It's all about analyzing 190 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: the numbers. So if you find that pharmacy, by the way, 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:07,199 Speaker 1: let me know where it is, because I'd like to 192 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: see if they've got an antidote the dummy pills. But 193 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: we can give people smart pills and teach them how 194 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: to drive better, use their blinkers and pay attention and 195 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: not text while they're on the phone. Are not text 196 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: while driving and use the phone at the same time. 197 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Just it was a rough week at the shop, but 198 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: I have to tell you I fixed each in every 199 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: vehicle that came in. There wasn't a single job lift 200 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: over this week. Well short one, but I didn't have 201 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: a chance to get to it. That will be the 202 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: repair of the week next week. I guarantee you I've 203 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: got a two thousand eight explore that the fives logic. 204 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: As far as how it operates, we're gonna talk about 205 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: that in the coming weeks. As soon as I dope 206 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: it out. Anyway, nine zero, I'm running any of the 207 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: car doctor, We're gonna pull over and take a pause, 208 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: and when we return, we're gonna kick the garage doors 209 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: open and talk to I don't know, We'll pick a 210 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: number and talk to someone out there and UH on 211 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: the car doctor hotline. Stay tuned. We're back right after this. 212 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back on any of the card ocerate five five 213 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. You know, I had a 214 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: I had a hemorrhage the other day, a mental a 215 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: mental collapse. I couldn't remember the phone number. I was 216 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: like eight five five five. I was trying to give 217 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: somebody the phone number, and I went, I think it's 218 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: you know, I actually had a call the phone number 219 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: to see if that was it. You know, it was 220 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: like Wednesday in the shop. I just you know, you're 221 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: just you're just not in radio mode and you can't remember. 222 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:25,840 Speaker 1: You know, I knew my name I was. I was 223 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: halfway there. I kind of knew who I was, but 224 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: I just couldn't get the phone number out of my head. 225 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: And Tony, what do they say about the first thing 226 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: that goes there? You go, well, it's uh, I always 227 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: think when my mind goes and I'm sitting there, a 228 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: babbling idi at the age of seventy five, just talking 229 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: about nonsense. The things that are gonna come out of 230 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: my head. I hope somebody's gonna write it all down. 231 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: It will make for interesting Yeah. Well yeah, what about 232 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: right now? Well, right now, I'm perfect, so listen. Don't 233 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: age me anymore than I already am. Although I'm aging. 234 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: We never mind. Let's get over and answer the phones, 235 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: since that's what people are tuned in four here. Anyway, 236 00:10:58,000 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: I got some things to talk about later on though 237 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: with I got some reemb stuff, and we've got a remote. 238 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna go do maybe sort of kind of, um, 239 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: but I want to go inswer some phone calls. I 240 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: want to get that done. Let's go start with Ed 241 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: and Clifton Heights, Pennsylvania, N nine, Chevy Ilumina. Ed. Welcome 242 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 1: to the car, doctor, sir. How can I help? Yeah, 243 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the car right now. UM. I have 244 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 1: a very slow u um any freeze coolin. I always 245 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: use fifty fifty um uh week and it's only leaking 246 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: like every hundred miles. It leaks about one point. And 247 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm very good at checking my level, so I just 248 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: go to the overflow tank and I always check at 249 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 1: the same time, like in the morning. It's been sitting 250 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 1: all night. It's a cold engine, and I have it 251 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: like on the cold line. And then about a hundred 252 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: months later I opened it, opened it up and look 253 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: at it. It's about a point below that, and so 254 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: I just fill it up again and and you know, 255 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: keep watching it, which which which which engine is? It's 256 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: a three point what's apparently I've been looking on line. Unfortunately, 257 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: it's a classic three point one that does have problems, 258 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: you know, years out with some of this gasket stuff. 259 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,319 Speaker 1: It's a three point one leader um General Motors, Right, 260 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: this is this was the year, yeah, this is this 261 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: is the year that the the intake gaskets were common 262 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 1: to leak. When you're looking for signs of coolant. Are 263 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: you getting down under the driver's side where the air 264 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,560 Speaker 1: intake bellows is and looking down at the v of 265 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:17,360 Speaker 1: the intake? Yeah, I think I just uh, I got 266 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: some more data just now. It looks like on the 267 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: passenger side, like right, it looks I think this is 268 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,719 Speaker 1: the alternator. Um, it's uh, it's lateral. It's like it's 269 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: about maybe a foot inside the right front wheel. Yep. 270 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: I see some gripping yep, and it's it's just for 271 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 1: all it's like directly almost uh it's underneath the alternator 272 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: and sort of like you could it can almost beading 273 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: dripping from the media portion of the overla take. It's 274 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: right around there. Yeah, that that that sounds like you're 275 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: in the area of the intake. There's a couple of 276 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: things you can do. You can start to remove some 277 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: of those components and hope that you see where the 278 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: leak is and if you do it cold, you've probably 279 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: got your greater chance of finding it. Or you can 280 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: get over to an autoparts store. Do you have an 281 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: O'Reilly Auto Parts near you? Um, I've got some other 282 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: ones they don't have a okay, if you can get 283 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: out to it, if you or O'Reilly online because I 284 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: know O'Reilly will have this. They make a die. They 285 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: carry a cooling system die that if you add it 286 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,199 Speaker 1: to the system, you can then come back after the 287 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: vehicles had time to circulate it and using a pair 288 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: of uhum diyeglasses. You'll have to you know, pick up 289 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: a few things. But if you're gonna work on cars, 290 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: you need some basic tools. And what it does is 291 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: using a black light and a die, you'll be able 292 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: to see the traces of where the cooling is coming from, 293 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: and pinpointed exactly short of that, you're gonna start to 294 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: remove that cooling tank and the alternator and start to 295 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: get down under there. It's probably going to be that 296 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: the gaskets where they are in the where the intake 297 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: manifold sits against the valley of the head. Because that 298 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: was a that was a hard plastic shim gasket and 299 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: it had a rubber It had a rubber watch for 300 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: the college word folks, las comber beat E l A 301 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,960 Speaker 1: S t O M E R. I think elas tomber 302 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: that was I remember the engineering report when Canal does 303 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: I look at this guy went to college. Um, it's 304 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: actually they laid an O ring into a hard plastic shim, 305 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: and what happens is the intake as it warms up, 306 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: because aluminum expands two and a half times at a 307 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 1: different rate than steel, it'll actually start to move and 308 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: squiggle around and it actually kinds of crushes and the 309 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: rubber beat actually works its way out from underneath the 310 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: hard plastic shim and while uh coolant leak, so go ahead. 311 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: That's manifold right from the head is right. The head 312 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: gasket is actually the piece between the head and the block. 313 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: The intake gasket is between the manifold and the head. 314 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: But here's the catch, all right, this is a three 315 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: one if memory serves me, right, And I'm really digging 316 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,119 Speaker 1: back in the archives of my mind that this probably 317 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: is the one that has the bulletin where they talk 318 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: about replacing the intake manifold bolts because they were torque 319 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: to yield bolts and there was a service kit available 320 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 1: from General Motors as far as replacing gaskets and shims. 321 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, a lot of guys reuse the bolts, 322 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: and they got away with it, but just be mindful 323 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: of the fact when you put it together. I would 324 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: if I was stuck having to clean you reuse the bolts, 325 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: I would gently wire wheel clean them. I don't want 326 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: to grind into the wire wheel. But I would just 327 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: try and remove the blue sealer that GM put on 328 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: those bolts, the blue lock tight, and I would put 329 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: a dab of white liquid teflon on. And the idea 330 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: is liquid teflon has a a very mild form of 331 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: block tight built into it, so it's a sealer and 332 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: a thread lock, okay, And the idea is that if 333 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: if your torque at the spec I think the spec 334 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: was fifty pounds, it was something really small. Make it 335 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: seventy alright, yeah, liquid teflon give it a little bit 336 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 1: of a tweak, and you're just trying to keep the 337 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: bolts from loosening up. The bolt has stretched a little 338 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: bit by now, and you shouldn't get a repeat because 339 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: the problem isn't that it won't tighten. The problem is 340 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: that it will loosen up over time as it is 341 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: through a heat up and cool down cycle, and it's 342 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: going to repeat it, you know, in a year or 343 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 1: somesket the intake manifold bolts, the other thing you want, 344 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: the other thing you want to look for um and 345 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 1: I believe this is the this is the setup that 346 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: we're that we're talking about. Go look at a procedure. 347 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: This is the one they want you to take, if 348 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: I remember right, this is the one they want you 349 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: to take. The rocker arms off, rocker arms and push rods. 350 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: This is a big there's a big job. If this 351 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: is what it is, there's a lot of work you 352 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: can do it if you're mechanically inclined. It's it's it's 353 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: a patience game. You can't rush through it. It's it's 354 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: a it's a solid half a day, three quarters of 355 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: a day's work. If it's the first time you've done it, 356 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna need valve. You're gonna need valve. Cover gas 357 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 1: gets intake manifold gas gets a bolt set. You know, 358 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: if you purchase a Felt pro Intake said, it may 359 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: come with the bolts, and that's a good thing. And 360 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: then you want to just be aware that, like I said, 361 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: there's a couple of special tools involved. Somebody at one 362 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: time made a lever that would allow you to depress 363 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 1: the rocker arms. So pull up on the rocker arm, 364 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: pop the push rod out, and just lay the lay 365 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: the lay the rocker off to the side, so you 366 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: don't have to take them all off, all right, So 367 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: you know there's a there's a lot of disassembly here. 368 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: If you don't have that tool. We're talking, we're talking over. 369 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,680 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, you're probably in the twelve range 370 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: of memory. Serves me correct, all right. There was two 371 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 1: versions of this engine. One was a conventional push rod 372 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: with regular rock arm, and one had the rocker arms 373 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: stanch and bolted to the head. If it's the rocking 374 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: arms stanchion bolted to the head. It's a little more involved. 375 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: Regardless if you do this job, just make sure as 376 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: you take apart, you put back together. So you know 377 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: you start you start from the left side. You lay 378 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,479 Speaker 1: out the rockers, the push rod, the bolts, et cetera. 379 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 1: As you take apart, and then when you go to 380 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: put it together, just reverse the process and you'll be fun. 381 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: But first things first, you gotta verify that it is 382 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: the intake. It probably is, it was very common, and 383 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: then go ahead and get the job done or do 384 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: it yourself. And uh, that's about it. I appreciate the 385 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,239 Speaker 1: call it and I appreciate you being out there. Eight 386 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: five five five zero nine zero brought in Nading the 387 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. I'm coming back right after this. Don't go away, 388 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: Welcome back. We're on Nading the Car Doctor. Here at 389 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: eight five five zero nine nine zero zero Car Doctor 390 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: show dot com for podcasts and more information, and also 391 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: get out to i heeart and iTunes and the tune 392 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: in radio for podcasting and please click subscribe. By the way, 393 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: this week is it this week or next? We're not 394 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 1: sure which week we might do it. This week, might 395 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: do it next week. We're gonna giving away a three 396 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: M spray gun. It is the It is the newest 397 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: three M addition to the family, the three MPPs system. 398 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: And the neat thing about it is it's not like 399 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 1: a traditional paint gun. It it's designed for the homeowner, 400 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 1: and it's designed for somebody that's um, you know, doing 401 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 1: one gun for all stages of their project from start 402 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: to finish and uh doing it at home. And it's 403 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: a professional level for the do it yourself for kind 404 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: of a thing. Ye, can I try it out before 405 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: we give it away? No? Come on, because I showed 406 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,199 Speaker 1: you my daughter's bumper? Yeah, I know. Is that why 407 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: you showed me your daughter's I want to use the 408 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: spray gun. No, you can't use the spray gun unless 409 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: the person that we give it to that you know, 410 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: they're willing to accept that's got a little bit of 411 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: uh you know, thinner and solvent running out of it 412 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: from when you clean it. Here's an idea, maybe they'll 413 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: come try it out into my daughter's car. Uh. That 414 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: we could probably get people to do. Because you know, 415 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 1: we can't guarantee the results though, So that's okay. I 416 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: couldn't guarantee the results of when she took it into 417 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: the parking garage today. So we're gonna do that. We 418 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: might do that this week, we might do that next week. 419 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:52,719 Speaker 1: But that's that's coming up. And by the way, real 420 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: quickly before I get to the phones, I keep meaning 421 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: to talk about this. There's a note on my desk 422 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: here and I don't know which one of you guys 423 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 1: put it here, Saturday Marched only five. Um, I think 424 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 1: I think you guys are taking me out on a date. 425 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: We're going on the road. What is this? The fourteenth 426 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: Annual Technician Service Training tech Training event with Jerry Truly 427 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,480 Speaker 1: in the gang over there in Westchester. Where is this? Oh? 428 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:14,879 Speaker 1: I don't know, but I can tell you that the 429 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: only way we're taking you anywhere is we're tying you 430 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: up in the back of the truck so and putting 431 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 1: a piece of duct tape over your face so we 432 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: can drive down the road and piece it looks like 433 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: we're going. Why I can do the radio show right 434 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,239 Speaker 1: from the vehicle the Westchester Marriot here it is six 435 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 1: seventy White Planes Roadarytown, New York. For anybody that's going 436 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: to be in the Westchester, New York, which is just 437 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: outside of New York City. Um, Jerry's putting on the 438 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: fourteenth Annual Technician Service Training Event, Big event Saturday March 439 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,400 Speaker 1: and UM, we're gonna be over there doing the radio 440 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: show live or no, we're still waiting for the tech 441 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: people to get back because I think that was the 442 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: last So we're gonna see if we're doing that because 443 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna be Um, we're waiting to see if the 444 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: internet speed in the hotel is fast enough. But if 445 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: anybody's gonna be there, we would love to see everybody 446 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: and say hey, so let's go say hey, a matter 447 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: of fact, let's go out and talk to Mark in 448 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 1: the Poconos and get back to the phones and talk 449 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: to him about his own one christ or three hundred. Mark, 450 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,159 Speaker 1: that's sure, what's going on? Well, Uh, I just say 451 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: I'm calling about a two thousand one Christler three hundred, 452 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: which is mechanically sound. But in the past few years 453 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 1: we've noticed that the tires are are beginning to lose 454 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 1: rapid pressure one by one. It was the rear passenger tire. 455 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: First we had the rim replaced and that seemed to 456 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 1: be fine. But then more lately in the past year, 457 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 1: the two front tires are losing pressure to rate of 458 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: roughly six eight pounds overnight. Now the car is not 459 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: a daily driver any longer. At best, we we get 460 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 1: in that car and take it some place once every 461 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: couple of weeks or so. At this stage, the local 462 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: shop has told us that to replace the rims with 463 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: aftermarket new aluminum nickel chromium plated rims would run about Alternatively, Um, 464 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: he could replace them with us RIM's aftermarket, but we're 465 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: a little leery of doing that just because the possibility 466 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: of the same problem resurfacing. Let me let me tell 467 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: you the rim story from the shop this week. Mark 468 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: true true story. Two thousand nine Chevy Malibu came in 469 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: and we had just we had just sort of been 470 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: through this with this vehicle. The driver's side front tire 471 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: was was losing air on a repetitive basis. We tanked it. 472 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: The bead was leaking, We bead sealed it, and all 473 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: was good for two months. Fast forward to this week. 474 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: It started losing air again. Brought it in, looked at it, 475 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: tanked it. I love the tire tank. I probably heard 476 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 1: me talk about the tire tanks the most honest tool 477 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: in the shop, but always tells you exactly what's going on. 478 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: Filled with water and look for the bubbles. And in 479 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: this case, the rim was actually cracked right on. The bead. 480 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: Needs a rim, all right, So I started looking around. 481 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: That rim from General Motors was six two dollars one wheel. 482 00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: You know, you think GM needs a gun in a mask. 483 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: It's like if they're going if they're gonna rob you. Okay, 484 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 1: I started, But you know what, and and here's my point. 485 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 1: I started looking on eBay. I started looking around at 486 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 1: some of the other sites. You can buy new rims 487 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:12,440 Speaker 1: on eBay that match this Malibu, and I'm sure you 488 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: can do the same thing for your Chrysler. For example, 489 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: the ones for the Malibu were a hundred and thirty 490 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: nine dollars. But here's the problem. They're they're made in 491 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: that new territory that the United States is acquired called China. 492 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: There are a new manufacturing plant, and I, you know, 493 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: my concern is what's the quality level? And if I'm 494 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: putting my family and friends in a vehicle that I've 495 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: got to do sixties seventy miles with and counting on 496 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: it to be stable and potholes and all kinds of weather, 497 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if I want to trust an aftermarket wheel. 498 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: I just I just don't know. Now that doesn't answer 499 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 1: your question. What would I do. I'd be looking around 500 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,679 Speaker 1: for the best set of used original wheels or steel 501 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,200 Speaker 1: wheels and hope for the best. And well, it's interesting 502 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: that you mentioned the steel wheels. We thought that would 503 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: be a more cost effective alternative. However, in the seventeen 504 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: inch wheelbase, he couldn't find anything for that car. So 505 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:12,640 Speaker 1: the specific question I had for you, um, well two questions. Really. 506 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: You know, living here here as we do in Mount Pocono, Pennsylvania, 507 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of snow, there's a lot of salt, 508 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 1: and I'm wondering, first of all, whether or not the 509 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,399 Speaker 1: repetitive seasonal salt has something to do with the rims deteriorating. 510 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: Although as many times as the wheels have been off 511 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: and inspected, they've cleaned them and you know, sealed the 512 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 1: gaskets and everything you can imagine, Um, and they're not 513 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: seeing any massive cracks or faults or whatever. But they're 514 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: telling me that, you know, they X ray at the rims, 515 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: they might see, for example, microscopic leaks. Now they're overthinking 516 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: the problem at that point. Yeah, Um, I would, I 517 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 1: would tell you that if the rims show nothing obvious 518 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: and beat sealer doesn't stop the leaks from happening. You know, 519 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: beat sealers like a clock made for tire bead. Right, 520 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 1: it's it's it's cleaned the rim. Make sure the rim 521 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: is clean, make sure there's no pitting, make sure there's 522 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: no deep pock marks, and beat seal it and put 523 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:09,960 Speaker 1: it together and then after you inflate it, stick it 524 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,919 Speaker 1: in the tire tank and if it's not if it's 525 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: not leaking, it's not leaking. Now. The other question I 526 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: would I would ask is how old are the tires. 527 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: If the tires are more than eight years old, you've 528 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: got a dry rod issue to contend with. Plus, you 529 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: know we're worried about Chinese rims. Are gonna worry about 530 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: the age of the tire and the quality of the tire, 531 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: and then what's the what's the likelihood that the tires 532 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: an issue? And that's all In fact, I think they're 533 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: much younger than that. Um. The final question have you 534 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:38,960 Speaker 1: really had to do? You know, like, at this point, 535 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: with a car with very little redeeming resale value, it's 536 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: either a nice tax right off to the local polytechnic 537 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: or maybe trying something like tire slime. But what we 538 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: read about tire slime is that it's a product that 539 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: tends to be more effective for tread damage, and it 540 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: never really the fires our cures inside the tire. It 541 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: relies on tripical and tropical force to spread it around 542 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: the tire. So if you're having a sidewall or a 543 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: rim isssue, that's not necessarily going to help you. And 544 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: with us only driving the car very sporadically, we wonder 545 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: whether or not that's even worth trying. And I think 546 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: you're right on the money there. I would think what 547 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: I would probably do. Listen, the first determination is do 548 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 1: you need the car? Because you're you're talking two different directions. 549 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: One is writing the car off and donating it and 550 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: the other is trying to fix it so you have 551 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: it around. So the first question that's got to be 552 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: made in the Mark household is do you need the car? 553 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: It's more of a luxury honestly, okay, but nice to have, 554 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: but if we could probably do without it, well, if 555 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: you decide to keep it, all right, so then it's 556 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: you know, we we donate it, it's done. But if 557 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: you decide to keep it. Then what I would be 558 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: doing is I would be looking like a Craigslist or 559 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,560 Speaker 1: an eBay wheels used wheels from a southern California, Arizona, 560 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: New Mexico, some non snow belt spelt state that has 561 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 1: And listen, if the wheels were a piece, and you 562 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: put twelve alls worth the wheels on the car and 563 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: it cost you two to ship them, where are you 564 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,119 Speaker 1: gonna get a vehicle for fift bucks? And and and 565 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: that's part of it. And that comes back to how 566 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: bad do you need the car? And that's why I 567 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: asked that. So, yeah, so it really just comes down 568 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 1: to dollars and right right exactly, you know the issue, 569 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: the issue sort of becomes that wheels and the way 570 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: they corrode are simply one of the biggest problems we're facing. 571 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,959 Speaker 1: And it's such a simple thing. It's just and it's 572 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: just got to be dealt with on a regular basis. 573 00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: You have no idea how many rims and tires we 574 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: see that have issues and it's either road salt or 575 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:47,199 Speaker 1: corrosion or uh, you know, people going through the exact 576 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: same problem like you, and uh, what it costs to repair. 577 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 1: So you're in a tough spot. I feel for you. Yeah, 578 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: it's just because you know, we drove the car for 579 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 1: so many years it was never an issue. And then 580 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 1: just suddenly, Yep, they get to a point where they 581 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: go before I go. I'll tell you what. Mark, My 582 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: soon to be nine year old daughter is fascinated by 583 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: the concept of radio and she just wants to say 584 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: a quick hello to the radio world. I'll tell you what. Yeah, 585 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 1: once what Yeah, we can do that. Yeah, go ahead, 586 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 1: go ahead, real quick. Hello, how are you? Yeah? Do 587 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: you listen to radio? All right? There she is there, 588 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: she goes, Hey, listen. We appreciate the opportunity. Mark, and uh, 589 00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: good luck to you and your sir. Thank you very much, 590 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: Thank you Ryan. My father always said the best neighbors 591 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 1: to have would be norm Abraham and ron and any 592 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: and tell your dad we said, thank you. If you 593 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: can five zero nine zero zero, Ronny of the car doctor, 594 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: we are coming back right after this. Hey, is it 595 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: my turn? Look at that? Okay, then I guess I 596 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: will talk a five five zero nine zero zero. Hello. 597 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: A little lady who just arrived in the audience. Mom's 598 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: with us again today wave moms. Everybody can hear you 599 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: there go and she waves. Look at that. She believes 600 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: anything I tell her. Okay, we love you mom. So 601 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: she's out there in the studio today hanging out watching 602 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: us do radio. I never understood that, but if it 603 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: makes mom happy, what the heck? Why not. Let's get 604 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: over and talk to Josh and Louisiana fourteen Ford Fusion. Josh, 605 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctors, Sir. How can I help? Hey? 606 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 1: How's it going good? What's going on? Um? I'm the 607 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 1: I'm the guy that sent you the email of the pictures. 608 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,800 Speaker 1: I I bought this car wreckt and fixed it up. 609 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: Had a lot of fun doing it. Actually learned a lot, right. 610 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Um, you know it's not terribly hard. It's 611 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: I know, it's a newer car. It's not terribly hard 612 00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: to to repair. I mean, obviously there was something that 613 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: couldn't do program computers and stuff. But you know, just 614 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: just to comment on the on the newer cars being 615 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: harder to fix, I didn't feel like it was harder 616 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: to fix. I mean obviously, yeah, the computers, I can't 617 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: program the you know, the AC system still, the AC system, 618 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: that's what that sort of thing and Boudy parts are 619 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: still body parts. Oh yeah, listen, the basics are still there. 620 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: It's just it's a question of you know, when we 621 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: say new cars are harder, you know, in a lot 622 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: of ways, new cars are easier because the computer does 623 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: help us to a large degree. Where it gets ugly, 624 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: I think is when somebody's touched it before you and 625 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: they've they've twisted the electrons the wrong way. And now 626 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: now you have to untangle it and get back to 627 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: the root cause and the real problem. And that's that's 628 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 1: where it gets to be a little you know. But 629 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: then again, I hear you say, you know, it's not 630 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: a Mercedes. I hear you say, Okay, I took the 631 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: battery off the Mercedes. Now I've got to, you know, 632 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: calibrate these windows. And you know, now this doesn't work. 633 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's still pretty okay. I can take 634 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: off the battery, you can put it on and not 635 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 1: have a problem. But but then again, it is afford 636 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, everything's got everything's got its challenges and 637 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: moments and and and the key I think comes back 638 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: to when you're dealing with a car. You know, we 639 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: had we had a few cars this week through the shop. 640 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: Battery draws and battery problems and no starts and dead 641 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: batteries and things like that. And each one of them 642 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: had a different pattern failure for a component that would 643 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: cause a draw, and each one of them had a 644 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: different um, you know, threshold as far as what they 645 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 1: consider good or bad. But they all still had to 646 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: meet the minimum as far as a fifty milliamp or 647 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 1: less draw. So but um, anyway, you had you had 648 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,400 Speaker 1: a m oh, you know what, tell you what, Josh, 649 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: stay put, let me pull over and take this pause 650 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: and we'll come back and talk about your fusion eight 651 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: zero nine ero zero. The car doctors coming back. Don't 652 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: go away, welcome back. When don't end the car doculus, 653 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: get over to Josh and Louisiana. Josh, we're back. You 654 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: have a question about the fusion performance before we go Yeah, yeah, yeah, 655 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: there were a couple of things I wanted to do 656 00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 1: to it and get in a little bit of trouble. Maybe, Um, 657 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 1: there's a uh for the two point Oh there's a 658 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: throttle body space or an intake manifold spacer and uh 659 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: they claim it, well, they say it's on the focus 660 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: s T but they claim you get an extra thirty 661 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: pound of torque. And then there's the the this one, 662 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: this one I'd like to do, but it seems little 663 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: bit scary what they're doing if they bore it out, 664 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: throw all the body button. But the thing that kind 665 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: of puts me off to it is when they say 666 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,160 Speaker 1: they're reducing the shaft profile by half and counter sinking 667 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: the screws. I mean it sort of things like a 668 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: recipe for disaster, because you're cutting a thin throttle blate 669 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: and you're putting you know, you're making it a little 670 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: bit thinner, and then then also you know that shaft 671 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: getten counter So so let me ask, let me ask you, 672 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this question, or put this thought 673 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 1: in your head instead of doing hard you know, not 674 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: hard hard, not hard difficult, but you know hard as 675 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: in component changes, you know, hard parts changes. How about 676 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: just doing software upgrades? Who's got who's got any software? 677 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,440 Speaker 1: To try and try a software modification first and see 678 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 1: what that does for you. You know, I hadn't considered it. 679 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: Um you know, simple, I mean mild, mild, goes wild. 680 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: I don't care whether you're tuning a four barrel on 681 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,920 Speaker 1: a on an old Chevy or you're you're tuning computer 682 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: chips in fusion, mild goes wild, and at least then 683 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: you've got a baseline to work with. And and then 684 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: and then you know, keeping components the same. You know, 685 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: if you put it, if you put a throttle body 686 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,480 Speaker 1: on it to increase airflow in, then tell me what 687 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: they then tell me what they're gonna do to increase 688 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 1: airflow out? Are they are we putting a header on it? 689 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 1: Are we changing exhaust? Are we putting a free flow 690 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: cat on it? They do have they do have an 691 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: exhaust kit. You know, I'm pretty happy with this performance, 692 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: but there's always more, right right, Well, that's and that's 693 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,479 Speaker 1: my point. And you know, you can do the throttle 694 00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: body and gain something, but you're just gonna draw more 695 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: in and then push the limit of the factory system 696 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: to whatever that is. So you know, you've got to 697 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: look at this as a package. You know, back when 698 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: I was when I was teaching high school auto shop, 699 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: I always taught the kids, you gotta think of the 700 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: whole package. Are you gonna put a cam in? Are 701 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: you gonna do the heads? Are you gonna do manifold? 702 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,440 Speaker 1: Are you gonna do a headers? And so on? And 703 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: everything has to match and balance. So if you start 704 00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: with software, all right, software is pretty simple and easy 705 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: to do. It's a it's a download and an upgrade 706 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: and maybe a chip depending upon the car. And then 707 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: at that point you can decide is that enough? And 708 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 1: then at least if you don't like it, the software 709 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,920 Speaker 1: manufacturers usually give you a way to go back fairly easy, 710 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: so it's a good experiment. And then at least you know, 711 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,359 Speaker 1: do you like what you got, and then you can 712 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: kind of go from there. The thing that the thing 713 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: I hear and some people claim, you know, they put 714 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: it on and they have problems, you know, the software 715 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: right in a certain range, you know, or something like that. 716 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: It does. You know, it's software, just like like your computer. 717 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,240 Speaker 1: And I think I want, I think that's there, depending 718 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: upon the company, and I think with the power of 719 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: the internet behind you. Now there's enough companies that you know, 720 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: they've got forums and they're talking about it, and you 721 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 1: know you'll know good from bed real quick. You got 722 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: one last question, Josh, I was gonna say the other 723 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: thing about the intake manifold space or that gives you 724 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: court on top of each pot, on top of each cylinders. 725 00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: You can probably put in like the carbon cleaning. Uh yeah, 726 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,399 Speaker 1: you could, and I wouldn't do it for that benefit, though. 727 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Stay with what you're aft. You're after performance upgrades. I 728 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: would pursue it with software first and then get into 729 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: doing hard component changes and then go from there. I 730 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: appreciate the call, Josh, My best to you and yours. 731 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: I'm running any of the Guard Doctor mechanics aren't expensive, 732 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,320 Speaker 1: they're priceless.