1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: have got a legal Eagle show for you that I 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 2: think is going to make everybody, including Buck myself, anyone 6 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 2: out there listening, way smarter about all of the issues 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 2: that are outstanding right now surrounding Donald Trump and the charges. 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Let me just give you a little bit of a roadmap. 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: We're going to talk with our buddy Andy McCarthy, Julie Kelly, 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 2: and Senator Ted Cruz all throughout this show starting at 11 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: one thirty Eastern. First hour and a half will just 12 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 2: be all of us hanging out with you, by all 13 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 2: of us, I'm em and Buck and our crew, and 14 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 2: we're going to be breaking down a lot of news 15 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: stories that are out there, in particular what's going on 16 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: with the court proceedings. But we should give you a 17 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 2: heads up here at twelve fifteen, is that right in 18 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,279 Speaker 2: like nine minutes from now, there is a scheduled press 19 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: conference for Merrick Garland. We do not know what that 20 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 2: press conference represents, what he is going to be saying, 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 2: but likely it is fairly substantial news If we are 22 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: getting a Friday press conference at twelve fifteen, because Merrick 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: Garland doesn't speak that often, Bucket. Could be, as you 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 2: and I were talking off air, it could be additional 25 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: information about the indictments against Trump. That seems strange to 26 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: me because every time you add more charges, you're basically 27 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 2: resetting the clock. But maybe they have new information that 28 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: they have uncovered. Maybe they are going to announce something 29 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 2: new there. It could also be an attempt to run 30 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: out the clock on Hunter Biden. Merrick Garland may finally 31 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: be feeling pressure associated with all of the revelations about 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: the Biden crime family and the fact that plea agreement 33 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 2: was not signed off on yet they're supposed to be 34 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: back in court. I believe in about three weeks of 35 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: both parties Hunter Biden and his attorneys as well as 36 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: the government. 37 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they are going to do something with that. 38 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: And I'll just mention buck no one is talking about 39 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 2: it at all, because I do believe the fix is 40 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 2: in here. But there is a special Council investigating Joe 41 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: Biden's handling of classified documents, and it's as if that 42 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: investigation doesn't exist at all. It's a crime to leak 43 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: information surrounding these investigations. Yet the New York Times and 44 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 2: The Washington Post have updates, it feels like, almost daily 45 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,320 Speaker 2: on the investigations into Donald Trump. But there has been 46 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: a complete information black hole on anything surrounding the Special 47 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: Council that exists for the Joe Biden Classified documents case. 48 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: So maybe we're going to get an update on there. Frankly, 49 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,119 Speaker 2: we don't know what we do know, Buck Is. Earlier today, 50 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: there was a hearing in Washington, d C. Where I 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 2: believe they are setting a trap for Donald Trump to 52 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: be prosecuted for contempt of court. And we laid this 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 2: out a little bit, but there are negotiations ongoing about 54 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: what exactly Trump is able to say and not say 55 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: as all of these court proceedings play out and he 56 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 2: attempts to run for president. Are you with me, Buck, 57 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: that you feel like there is a trap being set 58 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: for Trump based on what he says in relation to 59 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 2: these charges. 60 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. Everything that we're seeing so far is indicating 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 3: that it's not like the people that want to destroy 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 3: Trump with the legal system have any real limits with 63 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 3: this or are applying wisdom or fair judgment to it. 64 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: They want to destroy it right. And I think one 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 3: example of that you may have seen Jonathan Turley was 66 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: pointing this out in a piece yesterday that Judge Howell 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: agree that former President Trump was a flight risk. 68 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: Okay, a flight risk I play. I read this is 69 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 2: a great point. It is so so funny and ludicrous 70 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 2: at the same time. 71 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: I couldn't even I didn't even what to say. I 72 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 3: read this, I thought, there's no way. But it's Jonathan Turley. 73 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: I mean, the guy's very astute, he's very reliable. They're 74 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 3: just going crazy. I mean, they're gonna the effort here, 75 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 3: all this stuff where people have been saying, oh, don't worry, 76 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 3: the Appeals Court will step in, or oh don't worry, 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court will step in. 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm worried. 79 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 3: I don't think that that's the approach to this. I 80 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 3: think that the fix is very much in. I think 81 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 3: the judge in DC is going to try to absolutely 82 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 3: box him in and do everything she can to make 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: sure that Trump gets a guilty verdict at the end 84 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: of it. The fact that she set the trial for January, 85 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: I didn't even think that it would be that aggressive. 86 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: The government asked the prosecution has asked for January. Yes, 87 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: I know, yeah, what. 88 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 2: Do you think she's gonna say. I don't think she's 89 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: gonna set the trial for January. But this Merit Garland 90 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: statement is gonna be important into analysis there. But buck 91 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 2: your point. I'm glad you brought this up. Where in 92 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 2: the world could Donald Trump flee to? 93 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 4: What? 94 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 2: Donald Trump is probably the most famous person in the 95 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: world right now. Is he gonna go under disguise? Is 96 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: he gonna go to a country? Can image an extradition treaty? 97 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: He goes so crazy, he's walking around, He's like, my 98 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 2: name is Ronald Grump. I'm here in Fiji, born and 99 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: raised Fiji. I love it, probably the best place. 100 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 3: I don't think that's gonna happen. How in the world. 101 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 3: You're right. 102 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 2: Jonathan Turley wrote a great piece and I read that 103 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:46,840 Speaker 2: piece too, and I'm glad you brought it up because 104 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 2: I jotted it down to bring up as part of 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: just how ridiculous the government's arguments have become the idea 106 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 2: that Trump is a flight risk. And for people out 107 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: there who understand when you get bail and you are 108 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: face charges like Sam Bankman Freed, I would say is 109 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 2: a very legitimate flight risk. He is a guy who 110 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 2: has lived outside of the United States. Remember that he 111 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: had his crypto company based in uh the Bahamas. He 112 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 2: faces basically life in prison over the fraud charges against him, 113 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: and he's a relatively young man without any family, meaning 114 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 2: he doesn't have a wife, doesn't have kids. Do you 115 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 2: think that Trump, who is used to living as a 116 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: billionaire his whole life, is suddenly going to go full 117 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: Shawshank redemption and disappear and live on a beach at 118 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: zeewatt Nao down down in Mexico. 119 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,799 Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is crazy. 120 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 2: And even if he tried to do that, everyone would 121 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: find him. 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 3: But see it all lines up Clay Trump, Trump trying 123 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 3: to go incognito somewhere. 124 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: He may be walking around with fishing poles on the beach, 125 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 2: like living off the land. 126 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: I mean, this is crazy. I don't know if there's 127 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 3: anybody who is more recognizable at this point on them 128 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 3: maybe some sports, you know, maybe even the most famous 129 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: person in the entire world at this point. I think so. 130 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 3: I think he's the most famous person at this point 131 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 3: on the planet. So the notion that that he and 132 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: he's also very you knowable, right, Like I'm a I'm 133 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: a I'm a brown haired guy with a beard like 134 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 3: I could mix in with a ton of different people. 135 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: Trump is a big dude with. 136 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: Very recognizable hair, physical traits, I mean, the speech patterns 137 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 2: that he has. There is a I'm not sure, okay, 138 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: but could find a person who would be more difficult 139 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: to hide. It's insane. But I do have to remind 140 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: everybody if you were to back up and look at 141 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: what happened. And we had Julie Kelly, she'll be on 142 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 2: later in the program, so we'll talk to her about this. 143 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 3: Uh. She she was telling us that there were She 144 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 3: brought this to our attention that there were instances where 145 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 3: a federal judge in DC would not give bail to 146 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 3: nonviolent January sixth defendant, And in the court record, it 147 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: was because the judge had claimed that they were a 148 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 3: threat to conduct another insurrection. Okay, people that didn't do 149 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: anything violent, who were standing on the Capitol grounds. And 150 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 3: it's not my opinion. The court's opinion was they did 151 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: nothing violent. They were there, but the judge held them in, 152 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: you know, in remand or without bail the entire time 153 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 3: that they were waiting for trial, which sometimes went up 154 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: to like eighteen months because of the possibility that they 155 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 3: would try to overthrow the government again. First of all, 156 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 3: they didn't try to overthrow the government the first time. 157 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: But second of all, the notion that you know, some 158 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 3: like middle aged man or a woman who's basically already 159 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 3: had his or her life ruined by being there on 160 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 3: the Capitol grounds that day is going to try to 161 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 3: do an insurrection when they get out. It was insane, 162 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 3: but the court used that to abuse them. The court 163 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: used that to take away their rights. And I think 164 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: that's the tempoint we should expect in DC here. Even 165 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 3: with Trump, I don't think their approach is he's running 166 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 3: for president, he's a former president. We have to treat 167 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 3: this differently. I think their approaches he gets the same 168 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 3: treatment anybody else would, which is of course not true 169 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: in and of itself, but that's going to be their mantra. 170 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 2: And I think Buck you raised a good point on 171 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 2: what the government could have wanted when they were trying 172 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: to seize Trump's Twitter account. I think they likely wanted 173 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: to see whether any of the jan sixth people that 174 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: they have charged were reaching out to Trump and trying 175 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 2: to send him DMS. I hope that Trump wasn't using 176 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 2: his Twitter accounts to communicate via a direct message with anybody? Really, 177 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: I mean, you're a president of the United States. I 178 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 2: would like to think that you're not responding to DM 179 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: messages or even allowing them to be received in your account. 180 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 2: And then the other question becomes buck how many people 181 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: inside of Trump's orbit also had access to his Twitter account? 182 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: That is, how many other people were posting for him. 183 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 2: But this is so important. We are in such uncharted 184 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 2: legal terrain that anyone who tells you that they know 185 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 2: what's going to happen is not being honest with you, 186 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 2: because there is no precedent for virtually everything that we're 187 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,599 Speaker 2: dealing with right now. As we move rapidly towards a 188 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four that is going to be, I believe, 189 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: truly an election without precedent in this country, but also 190 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: one that is taking place in a chaotic scenario, not 191 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 2: unlike what we saw in twenty twenty. The difference obviously 192 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: being the legal proceedings are replacing COVID as the uncertainty 193 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: that is looming over everything taking place in this process. 194 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 2: And so we'll see as Merrick Garland is going to 195 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 2: come out and speak any moment now and we will 196 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 2: see what he officially announces and whether it alters the 197 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: trajectory of any of the conversations that we are having 198 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: right now. 199 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 3: Do you remember when they were having conversations, or at 200 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 3: least the Democrat party line on Merrick Garland was that 201 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 3: he should be a Supreme Court justice because he's so honorable, 202 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 3: so even handed, so nonpartisan. I think I think you 203 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: can argue he's more partisan than Eric Holder was. 204 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 2: I think I don't argue he's I think Mayor Garland 205 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 2: is the most partisan to attorney general that has been 206 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 2: in charge in any. 207 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 3: Of our lives. Based on what he's doing. 208 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: He's acting without precedent to try to put the chief 209 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: political rival of his boss in prison for the rest 210 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: of his life. There's no one else who's even come 211 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: close to that position. They're going to try to hold 212 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 2: up this fig leaf. They're going to try everything they 213 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: can to pretend that this isn't coming from Garland, because 214 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: if it's coming from Garland, it's in essence coming from Biden. 215 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 2: There is no true lack of accountability within the constitutional 216 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: framework we have for the government that we have meeting. 217 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 2: If you work at the doj you work for the president, 218 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 2: there's not some separate thing, and they're going to tell 219 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: you a lot about how there's a special counsel. I 220 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: do think it's an interesting point as well. Here, Clay, 221 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 2: let's why don't we Why don't we take a moment here, 222 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: because they're going to start any minute here, we'll come 223 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: back and hopefully we can pick it up live for everybody. 224 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 2: Merrick Garland is going to be talking in just a second. 225 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: We'll bring it to you and things could get a 226 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 2: whole lot crazier in this country. I know that seems insane, 227 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: but that's where we are. We'll be rolling on it. 228 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 3: One of my Pillow's most popular products is now back 229 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 3: in stock and at a great price. 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We can go right now to pick 251 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: up to just pick up the the end of this. 252 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 3: Let's let's go to the live feed here. 253 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 5: Today's announcement affords the prosecutors, agents and analysts working on 254 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: this matter the ability to proceed with their work expeditiously 255 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 5: and to make decisions indisputably guided only by the facts 256 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 5: and the law. The men and women undertaking this investigation 257 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 5: are public servants who have dedicated their careers to protecting 258 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: the citizens of this country. The appointment of mister Weiss 259 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 5: reinforces for the American people the Department's committed meant to 260 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 5: both independence and accountability in particularly sensitive matters. I am 261 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 5: confident that mister Weiss will carry out his responsibility in 262 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 5: an even handed and urgent manner and in accordance with 263 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 5: the highest traditions of this department. 264 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you, all right, Clay, The very very 265 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 6: clear headline here is that Attorney General Merrick Garland has 266 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:33,640 Speaker 6: appointed Weiss, who is the district attorney I'm sorry, the 267 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 6: US attorney in Delaware who's been looking into Hunter Biden stuff, 268 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 6: as a special counsel. 269 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 3: He will continue to be a US attorney in Delaware. 270 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: But okay, a few thinks here. It is probably there's 271 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 3: a lot. There's a lot going on. Probably a very 272 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 3: bad day for Hunter Biden, because now I would say, yeah, 273 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: the whole sweetheart plea deal is slipping that through. That 274 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 3: was a train wreck four Hunter that day. He almost 275 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 3: got away with it. He almost got away with it. 276 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 3: And now we get to on the on the macro 277 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: political side, you're either going to have a special counsel 278 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 3: that slow walks this even more which I find hard 279 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: to believe because it's been so many years already and 280 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 3: they have so much information, so that Biden can you know, 281 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,000 Speaker 3: run out the clock on it. Joe Biden can or 282 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 3: And this makes me sad to say out loud. Remember 283 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: how we asked how the coup would come yep, yesterday, 284 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: This might be how the coup comes from the inside. 285 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: This is blockbuster. Buck and I just I want to 286 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: start here here my first thoughts. Obviously we're reacting to this. 287 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: You just heard that announcement happen. We said that there's 288 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 2: news coming. I said, maybe this was gonna be what 289 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: he did. But several things. One Judge Noriyaika, and I 290 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: may be mispronouncing her name, is a hero. This is 291 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 2: exactly what I say she should do. Buck, and I said, 292 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 2: this is exactly what I thought would happen if she 293 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 2: did it. They tried to get the rubber stamp rig 294 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 2: deal through. She asked questions that embarrassed the government, and 295 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 2: as a result, the political pressure became so significant that 296 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: Merrick Garland, who was trying to protect Hunter Biden, didn't 297 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 2: think he could do it anymore. That's point one. Point two. 298 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 2: I know we were not happy with twenty twenty two. 299 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 2: We wanted a red tsunami. We wanted all the liars 300 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: swept out, the covid idiots, but we want a House majority. 301 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 2: This would not have happened if the House had not 302 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: flipped over to Republicans, and if they hadn't been James Comer, 303 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: the Oversight Committee, Jim Jordan, many of the people that 304 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: you've heard on this program, if they hadn't been given 305 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 2: the authority to conduct investigations. I don't think it's coincidental 306 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: that twenty million dollars in payments came out this week 307 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: to Hunter Biden, and this announcement came this Friday. That's significant. 308 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: Third point here, I would make buck, It's going to 309 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:10,679 Speaker 2: become now impossible for the media to pretend that the 310 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: Hunter Biden story is some sort of right wing fever 311 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: dream and there is no significance associated with it. The 312 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 2: appointment of a special counsel means that there is enough 313 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: evidence here that even Joe Biden's own hand picked Attorney 314 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 2: general has had to decide that this is ongoing. 315 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: Now there are a ton of issues. 316 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: We got so much to discuss with this, and I'm 317 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 2: glad we've got so many legal eagles that are coming 318 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,720 Speaker 2: on the show with us as well. 319 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: Buck. 320 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: But I've got so many thoughts about this, and to 321 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: your point, I think that the one that you made 322 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 2: is significant if there were going to be an internal 323 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 2: Democrat party coup. We talked about this just yesterday. This 324 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 2: is the dam is all of a sudden, all the 325 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: holes are coming on the dam, and you can't plug 326 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: them all. This is going to be impossible. I think 327 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: for the Biden administration to cover this up. 328 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 3: There is a for the first time I see there 329 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 3: could be a real possibility here that Joe Biden isn't 330 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: actually a Democrat nominee. 331 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 2: Blockbuster lots to get to In the meantime. 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Hunter Biden 351 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: now has a special counsel. We should mention Buck that 352 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: it is the attorney that had been investigating him before 353 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 2: weiss from Delaware who was willing to give him a 354 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 2: sweetheart deal. Same attorney who has been conducting this five 355 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: year investigation is still in charge. But the political pressure 356 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 2: has become so consequential on the Biden crime family that 357 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 2: even Merrick Garland couldn't ignore what was going on with Hunter. 358 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: And I just want to reimp besides this, and then 359 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 2: we're going to be in real time analyzing so much 360 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: of this. If Judge Norrieika in Delaware had rubber stamped 361 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: this plea agreement, Hunter Biden had his get out of 362 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 2: jail free card, He had his get out of jail 363 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 2: free card years into the future, he was going to 364 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: have no consequences for all of his criminal behavior. I 365 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 2: think it's important to point out when we have heroes. 366 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 2: The judge who refused to rubber stamp this deal in 367 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 2: Delaware is, in my opinion, a hero. This is what 368 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: judges are supposed to do. This is a look at 369 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: all the evidence, refuse to allow sweetheart deals, and Bucky, 370 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: you go back and look at the transcripts. I've been 371 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: saying for months. If she did this, I thought it 372 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 2: would lead to a appointment of a special counsel because 373 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 2: the plea agreement would be dead on arrival. 374 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: So there should have been a special council all along 375 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 3: the other. Yeah, the most obvious thing imaginable. You have 376 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: the son of a president selling access to that president. 377 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 3: This is why a special Council statute even exists in 378 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 3: the first place. So the fact that it got to 379 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 3: this point is really is really a function at some 380 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 3: level of not only did Hunter Biden do a lot 381 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: of egregious stuff, but then his legal team, well, leaving 382 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 3: the laptop, I mean there were things he could have 383 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 3: gotten away with that, folks. If he was just a 384 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 3: little bit more slick. 385 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: And it just didn't take the laptop to the laptop 386 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: repair facility, he probably would have gotten away with. 387 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 4: Yes. 388 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: Probably. And we sit here now and look at all 389 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 3: the possibilities. I'm just gonna say this, I generally feel 390 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 3: like I have some sense of where this stuff is 391 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 3: going to go. Now that doesn't mean I'm always right, 392 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 3: but I think i'm I'm confident that X will happen 393 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 3: or why will happen in this case. Well, let's go 394 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: through some of the possibilities here the Special Counsel. But 395 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: can I just point out there already have all the 396 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 3: information basically correct, they. 397 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 2: Need to hear investigation. They have all of the evidence 398 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 2: they need. 399 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 3: Hunter was about to take a plead deal, so the 400 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 3: Special Counsel isn't. And and he's been involved in this 401 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: all along too. Weiss has been the one investigators. He 402 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:19,080 Speaker 3: already knows everything. So what this really is is not 403 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 3: the beginning of a Special Council investigation. This is a 404 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: means of pushing charging decisions, and everything is on the 405 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 3: table off to somebody, off to somebody in the chain 406 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 3: of command here who doesn't you know, he still has 407 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: to get Merrick Garland to approve it in a sense, 408 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 3: but is supposedly not under the thumb of Merrick Garland 409 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 3: the way he would have been as a US attorney 410 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: without special counsel status. It is more politically volatile for 411 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,920 Speaker 3: a Attorney general to come down on a special council. 412 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: We all saw what happened with Muller and Jeff Sessions 413 00:22:56,840 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: had to leave, and then Barr came in, and it's crazy, man. 414 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that the chances that you're gonna 415 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 3: have a Joe Biden pardon, I mean, I'm not even 416 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 3: sure to be a pardon. I think he would commute. 417 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 3: I think he may let the process play out and 418 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 3: then say my son did wrong. I can't let my 419 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 3: own son go to prison, you know, for the good 420 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 3: of the country or whatever. He's gonna say, I'm gonna 421 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: commute it so he doesn't go to feder prison. Does 422 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: that then lead to, assuming that happens is the Biden 423 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 3: twenty twenty four campaign effectively over. I'm not convinced that 424 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 3: it is, but it would certainly make things more complicated. 425 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 2: Okay, this is I mean, I love all of this 426 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 2: because there's so many different directions that it can go. 427 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 2: First of all, this, as you pointed out, should have 428 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: happened a long time ago. I think it's significant. The 429 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 2: only reason it's happening it's because the judge in Delaware, 430 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 2: nor Yeika, and I apologize if I'm mispronouncing her name, 431 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,440 Speaker 2: did exactly what a judge should have done. When confronted 432 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 2: with this sweet heart plea agreement. She refused to accept it, 433 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: which has led us here. Second part of this only 434 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,639 Speaker 2: reason this is happening is because we won the House. 435 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 2: If Democrats still had control of the House of Representatives, 436 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 2: the Oversight Committee headed by Chuck Comer, the investigations by 437 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 2: Jim Jordan, none of that would have been able to happen. 438 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 2: Biden would have been protected. This special Council appointment wouldn't 439 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 2: have happened. 440 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: I think I agree with you that it would have 441 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 3: been easier for the judge in Delaware to just go 442 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 3: forward with it. Professionally, it probably be easier, but Clay, 443 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: she wasn't. She didn't have a problem with no jail 444 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: time for Hunter and the super weak charges. What blew 445 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 3: up the whole deal was that the lawyers for Hunter 446 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 3: tried to hide in a diversion agreement, which is for 447 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: drug addicts. In the diversion agreement addendum was this thing 448 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 3: about how, oh, yeah, we're also not going to face 449 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 3: any charges for the Pharrah the Farah Act. Yeah, And 450 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 3: basically they just went too far. I mean, it was 451 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 3: just it was embarrassing. It's not fair. 452 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: If I'm Hunter Biden's lawyers, I'm not going to accept 453 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: a plea agreement until I know that all the charges 454 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,440 Speaker 2: that could be brought against me are over. Like, I 455 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 2: don't want to plead guilty and then have more charges 456 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 2: get levied on top of me after I'm pleading guilty. 457 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 2: But they try to sneak one in the back door, right, 458 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: I mean that getting yeah, I get it. I mean, 459 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 2: but what they did is what they should do if 460 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: they were the attorneys representing Hunter Biden. Zealously, the judge 461 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 2: shot it down. Now here's something to think about. I 462 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 2: don't think that Biden is going to be the nominee 463 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 2: in twenty four. This is major evidence that he might 464 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: not be because this yesterday or the day before, Buck, 465 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 2: we were talking about what the order of a code 466 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: red would look like. This really puts Biden and his 467 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 2: family under the microscope. 468 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,679 Speaker 3: Sure, short of a sudden health issue like a stroke 469 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 3: or something else, this is this is the next in 470 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: the line of Biden's maybe not gonna run. Okay. 471 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that Biden is going to allow his 472 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: son to go to prison simultaneously, or even face potential 473 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,680 Speaker 2: criminal prison time simultaneously. 474 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 3: Buck. 475 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: I also don't think that if Biden pardons his son, 476 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 2: there's any way he can run. So I do think 477 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 2: there's an off ramp here where Biden says, due to 478 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: my health concerns, I'm not going to run. It's time 479 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 2: for a new generation. I'm going to not stand for 480 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 2: election in twenty four. I don't mean steps down from 481 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: being president. I mean says in January of twenty five, 482 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 2: I'm done. 483 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: Let's play this out for a second, though. You're a 484 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 3: swing you're a swing voter in Michigan, I mean, and 485 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 3: they're probably gonna make their decisions based on how the 486 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 3: economy is looking and things that actually matter to them. 487 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: But we'll just look at these legal issues. For a second, 488 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 3: what is more troubling to you, to that swing voter, 489 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 3: not to our audience, not to us, not to our people, 490 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,879 Speaker 3: but to that person who is a true persuadable the 491 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:03,800 Speaker 3: president pardoning his son of these charges or the four 492 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 3: and I don't pretend to have an answer to this, 493 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 3: by the way, yeah yeah, but the soon to be 494 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 3: four criminal indictments against his opponent Donald Trump, Like, is 495 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 3: there a cancel this out factor where Biden decides, look, 496 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 3: I had to pardon my son. You know it's gross, 497 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 3: but you gotta do what you gotta do. And Trump 498 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 3: is the end of democracy and he just decides that 499 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: that's what he's gonna I mean, that's that's what The 500 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: Morning Joe Pennell would say about this. 501 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's hard to argue when 502 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 2: the justice system is in both of your directions, you 503 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: can simultaneously free your son from the consequences of his 504 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: behavior while trying to put your chief political rival in 505 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life. The only way Buck, 506 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: and this is I don't think Biden is smart enough, 507 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 2: and I don't frankly think that his advisors are skilled enough. 508 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: The only way that I could see this working right now, 509 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 2: we legitimate Let's presume that Biden runs and Trump runs. 510 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 2: We're in the unbelievable situation where if Trump one, Hunter 511 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: Biden probably goes to prison, and if Biden wins, Donald 512 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: Trump probably goes. 513 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 3: You know, there is a situation Clay that we haven't 514 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: addressed here yet, which as I'm looking at the news 515 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 3: coverage here saying that the plea deal talks, those were ongoing, folks, 516 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: they were trying to get a second bite at the 517 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 3: apple with another plea deal for Hunter. What if Hunter 518 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 3: takes it? What if Hunter actually takes it like a 519 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 3: man so to speak, takes a sentence, says all right, 520 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 3: I'll serve it. I'll serve eighteen months in federal prison, 521 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,439 Speaker 3: and I don't want my dad to pardon me. 522 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 2: I think there's this, first of all, that would be 523 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 2: very gallant of Hunter Biden. I think that everything that 524 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 2: he's done in his entire life suggests the opposite of 525 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 2: that that he's so in the I've met. 526 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: People who have done a couple of years in the 527 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: in federal prison for insider trading. I mean, you know, 528 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 3: people live. It's not the oh. 529 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: I think there's a zero percent chance of that. But 530 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 2: based on Hunter's own stuff, here's my off ramp here. 531 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: What if, and again this is actually what I think 532 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 2: would be in the best interest of the country. What 533 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 2: if Joe Biden pardoned his son from all charge Trump zero? 534 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 2: That is an absolute zero chance. But if he truly 535 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: cared about the country and then said, and I'm not 536 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,960 Speaker 2: gonna run, I think it's time for a new generation. 537 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 3: If let me just put this, did Joe Biden turned 538 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 3: into George Washington all of a sudden, because that's a 539 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 3: Washington level move. 540 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, if Joe Biden truly cared about the 541 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:32,360 Speaker 2: country and restoring normalcy, he could that way pardon his 542 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: son from consequences, pardon Trump from federal charges. You'd still 543 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: have New York and Georgia, which he wouldn't control, and 544 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 2: then he actually would probably be seen favorably in history. 545 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 2: Just like forward Buck the right decision inside said he. 546 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 3: Thinks that that that all for all the he can't 547 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: even get rid of the state charges, so that doesn't 548 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 3: which is why the federal charge Trump suffered consequences. There's 549 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: still I don't see that. I think that would be 550 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 3: that is like an asteroid hitting the planet tomorrow. But 551 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 3: then again, folks, look what's happening. Who knows? 552 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 2: I think you say you can see Biden pardoning his 553 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 2: son and coming out looking good. Is if he also 554 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 2: did it to Trump. 555 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: Well, hold on a second, what if the spe what 556 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 3: if they take it, they take a deal and Hunter 557 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 3: Hunter says, look, I'm gonna go away. I don't know 558 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: how long you can defer a sentence or how the process. 559 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: Thinks crazier that Hunter would go to Hold on, wait 560 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,160 Speaker 3: a second, Hunter takes a deal and he is allowed 561 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 3: to delay the sentence until late perhaps even after the election. Clay, 562 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: and then Joe Biden, if he wins, gets to pardon 563 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 3: Hunter and hand the presidency to Kamala and say I 564 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 3: am too old and for the blobby blah, for the 565 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 3: good of the country and how it all goes. I 566 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: think that's more likely than Joe Biden pardoning Donald Trump 567 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 3: of the insurrection charges. 568 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: Problem with stuff, Yes, you're right, but the problem with 569 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: that is we come back to the original commentary, which is. 570 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,240 Speaker 3: Either Trump is going to go to prison or Hunter. 571 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: Biden is going to go to prison based on how 572 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 2: people vote in twenty twenty four. 573 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 3: Well, that is probably true. 574 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,280 Speaker 2: Yes, so the risk would be does well, I guess 575 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 2: you could say even if Biden lost. Here here's the 576 00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: out that this may be right, Buck, Your theory is 577 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: not a bad one because even if Biden lost the 578 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: election in November, he could pardon Hunter before January when he. 579 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: Would leave office, and he doesn't. 580 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 2: Many times, he can do it after he takes the 581 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: oath of office a second time. Either way, Hunter never 582 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: has to serve that that's not a bad theory. Well, 583 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: thank you, so you know it's not a bad theory. No, 584 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 2: it's not a bad it's not a bad theory at all. 585 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 3: And it allows him to run and keep everything in 586 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 3: place and then just hand it all the I think 587 00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 3: the Democrats form like they're there if they could have 588 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 3: exactly what they want, it's Joe Biden limps across the 589 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,200 Speaker 3: finish line and then very very quickly just gives it 590 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 3: to Kamala Harris takes over first place. Female president. They 591 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 3: you know, they all, you know, get excited about about 592 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: the breaking of the glass ceilings and all that stuff. 593 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,640 Speaker 2: And Kamala Harris's president. Will she be awful, yes, but 594 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 2: she won't be making that many decisions. Joe Biden's not 595 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 2: making that many decisions. 596 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 3: All right, I'm sure you have calls, folks, Right, I'm 597 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 3: sure you have thoughts on this is a crazy day 598 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 3: eight hundred two way two two eight a two. Fellow 599 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 3: gun owners, if you've got a trip to the gun 600 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 3: range in your weekend plans, I'm jealous. I love spending 601 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,840 Speaker 3: time at the range, particularly if my brothers can enjoy me. 602 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 3: It's a lot of fun. But how do I stay 603 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 3: sharp between range visits? Well? The Mantis X system. 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Fine the Clay 622 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,040 Speaker 1: and Buck app in your app store and make it 623 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 1: part of your day. 624 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 3: Appointment of a Hunter Biden special counsel, that's the big 625 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,240 Speaker 3: breaking news in the last hour. Shakes up everything, the 626 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 3: legal realities for the Biden family, the political realities for 627 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 3: the Democrat Party. Uh, there's a lot going on here. 628 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 3: Donald in Wisconsin's a former judge and prosecutor. Donald, what 629 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 3: do you have for us? 630 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 7: You're way too optimistic. Ways already proved that he's a 631 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:03,040 Speaker 7: team player with Ireland as a special prosecutor. He can 632 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,080 Speaker 7: just move all the charges to a different venue, still 633 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,279 Speaker 7: be some different charges somewhere else to disguise it. But 634 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 7: he'll make the same kind of sweetheart deal he didn't 635 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 7: squat before. So he proved he's in on a deal. 636 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 3: I mean, that's an I thought they were gonna the 637 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,759 Speaker 3: system was gonna let him get away in some capacity 638 00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 3: all along here. I don't know, Clay, do you think 639 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,360 Speaker 3: he might move the venue or do with the with 640 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 3: the judge from Wisconsin's telling us. 641 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:31,960 Speaker 2: Oh, man, I think when we come back to the 642 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 2: top of the next hour, you and I need to 643 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 2: have the same conversation that we had off air at 644 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 2: the top of the hour, because I think it's a 645 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 2: really interesting one. Let's keep taking calls and let everybody 646 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 2: way in and then we'll set the table. I think 647 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040 Speaker 2: this is an interesting point that Mike and Monterey Bay, 648 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: California wants to make. Mike, what you got for us? 649 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, I'd actually taken the call. 650 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 7: But isn't this an admittance. 651 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 8: By Merrick Garland by appointing White as the special counsel 652 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,640 Speaker 8: that he lied under oath that he actually did Weiss 653 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 8: was doing anything. 654 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 2: This is a fabulous question, Mike and Buck, that's this 655 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 2: is why I wanted to go to his call. If 656 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 2: you truly gave Weiss complete authority to bring any charges 657 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,720 Speaker 2: that he wanted, why why. 658 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,640 Speaker 3: Does he need a special council designation? Yeah? Correct, this 659 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,439 Speaker 3: is a great point. We haven't mentioned that, but Mike, Yeah, 660 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 3: that's right. Yeah, good, good call, Mike. 661 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 2: I mean, this is why I like sometimes to bring 662 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: it in college because people will bring up really interesting points. Yes, 663 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,280 Speaker 2: this is an implicit refutation of the argument that Merrick 664 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 2: Garland made when he said he doesn't need special council status. 665 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 2: He's already got the ability to bring any charges that 666 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 2: he wants. Well, then David does he needs special council status. 667 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 2: Great point, David and Scottsdale, Arizona, You're up next. 668 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 7: I thank you. 669 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 4: Guys are totally wrong. This is a total cover of 670 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 4: Weiss was involved on the Plea deal. This is a 671 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 4: way to slow locket and this is a way to 672 00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 4: cut the legs out from the House Republicans. They cannot 673 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 4: a peena anybody because the response will be olpe camp. 674 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,239 Speaker 3: Well, just to be clear, David Clay thinks that the 675 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: justice system still works and there's still some hope. I'm 676 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:11,080 Speaker 3: pretty cynical and think that they're still going to make 677 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: this go away, and that Joe Biden is still going 678 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,320 Speaker 3: to be the nominee. 679 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: In your dark heart of of disapproval of the justice system, 680 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 2: don't you have like remember in the Grinch when his 681 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,399 Speaker 2: frozen heart starts to like just have a little bit 682 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 2: more like for the Grinch who stole Christmas for people 683 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 2: out there. Don't you have a little bit more of 684 00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 2: heart beating pride in Norieika the judge because she stood 685 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,280 Speaker 2: up here and did show independence to refuse to rubber 686 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 2: stand at. 687 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 3: This, my little grinch heart for the DOJ start to 688 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 3: beat Clay and then it is stomped on by the 689 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 3: prosecutions of Trump in Florida, in New York, in d C. 690 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 3: And soon to be Atlanta. So that's that's how you 691 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:54,800 Speaker 3: know I'm going full Grinch on this one, my friend. 692 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 3: I don't think it's I don't think it's a happy place. Okay. 693 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 2: Buck and I had an interesting conversation on timing off 694 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 2: air as it pertains to Hunter, Biden and the Special Counsel. 695 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 3: Joe's still going to be the nominee. Everybody is still 696 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 3: my version of it, I'll tell you why. Yeah, I 697 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 3: think Buck's argument is a good one. As we worked 698 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,760 Speaker 3: through it, we will analyze it. I still think Biden 699 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 3: is not going to be the nominee, but if he is, 700 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 3: I think Buck has figured out how he'll handle this 701 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 3: new Special Council appointment. We will discuss next. 702 00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: Flat. Travis and Buck Sexton on the front lines of 703 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: truth