1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks. DJ Buck 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: with you Block. Happy game day, Buddy. I No, you 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: got the high school season kicking off tonight. How you doing, man, Man, I'm. 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 2: Good, DJ, I am great, kind of excited. It's funny 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: like you spend all this time where football is the 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: one game where you practice far more than you ever play, 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: and now we're here, and so you wake up You're like, oh, 9 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: we have a game today. How are we gonna what's 10 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: it gonna look like, how we're gonna approach it. It's 11 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: all fun and games, though. But I think the funny thing, 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: because we're taping this now, like nine pm local time, 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: we had a morning walkthrough just to see the nervous 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 2: the nervous kids, the nervous energy, all this stuff bouncing around. 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 2: To me, it's kind of like reliving Friday night lights 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 2: because you remember when you used to have the butterflies 17 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 2: and all that other stuff. So it's the fun part, 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: like watching them, kind of playing living vicariously through them. 19 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: All Right, A couple questions I want to get to 20 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: you on this, Uh Number one, No, hat, hat, visor, 21 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: What are we doing? What are we doing on the sideline? 22 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm typically a hat a hat guy like I normally 23 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 2: have kind of like a Nike running hat that I've 24 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: always kind of utilized, but I've gone some games without 25 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 2: a hat or whatever. I've never been able to do 26 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 2: the visor thing because for me, if I have the 27 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: visor on, then what's gonna happen. I'm to have the 28 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 2: nasty ring all the time the sunline and it doesn't 29 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 2: really work. So I'm a little envious of Brian Schottenheimer 30 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: and some guys that can wear the visor, but I 31 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 2: never could be a visor guy. So it either be 32 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: hat or no hat and didn't have to figure out 33 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: if from where shades or not because I don't have 34 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: prescription sunglasses yet, so that that can make it tricky 35 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: when you're trying to look at the call sheet and 36 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 2: you don't really see anything, then you're squinting. 37 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: So that was my next question. Call sheet wise, are 38 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: we sean Payton call sheet or are we Mike Leech 39 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: call sheet in terms of the size of that thing. 40 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 2: In fact, I have it right here. DJ oh, yeah, 41 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: I see a more like we are, and I think 42 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: I think you have to remember. Remember back at Packed 43 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: Well Media days, one time we finally got Mike Leech 44 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 2: on and it was after we had a conversation with 45 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: Lincoln Raleigh and Lincoln Riley taught him how I talked 46 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 2: about how Mike Leach taught him, and so Mike Leach 47 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: actually gave us the demo and so for me, DJ, 48 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 2: I've followed it to a tee. I break the call 49 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 2: sheet up in quarters in terms of like situation and circumstance, 50 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 2: offense and defense. Keep it in my pocket, flip it, 51 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: rearrange it, highlight it, have a little pin that you 52 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 2: can make notes. I used to be a laminated guy 53 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: and hang on the land yard, but I felt like 54 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: that's that's not a good look for me. A little aggressive. Yeah, 55 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 2: So I just I keep it in my pocket and everything. 56 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: And it's very much like some of the things you 57 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: know in TV and TV. I always have to have 58 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 2: like a pen in my hand or a thing to 59 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: kind of keep me from gesturing wildly. It's the same 60 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: thing with this. When I don't have like the little 61 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 2: thing in my hand, like I feel like I'm just 62 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 2: out of sort. So I just gotta need to have 63 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 2: it regardless of whether I look at it, I just 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 2: discomfort and just having it. It's like it's like the blanky, 65 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 2: you know, it's just like the little comfort blanket. 66 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, are we scripting out? Are we scripting out the 67 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: first fifteen? What are we doing? 68 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 2: Nah? Like I am. And this is funny because this 69 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: will tell you Like a conversation that I had with 70 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, and it was right before his first preseason game, 71 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: and we were talking about you know, he's not one 72 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: that likes the quarterback to operate off wristbands, and it's 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,640 Speaker 2: not necessarily it being a crutch for a quarterback, but 74 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: as he explained it to me, it was too hard 75 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: for him to be like, Hey, this is what I 76 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: want to call, but I got to look down on 77 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,040 Speaker 2: the sheet and go orange five. That's what it is. 78 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: He said. It's kind of an art to it. I 79 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 2: kind of know what I want to get to and 80 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: how I want to call it, and I don't necessarily 81 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: have it down. It's just like a feel and flow. 82 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 2: And for me, DJ I kind of operate like that. 83 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: I kind of know what I want to get to, 84 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: but it's kind of like an art and a feel 85 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 2: to it. The thing that I have learned to have 86 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: down is got to have it play like a two 87 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 2: point play. Gotta have it kas you want that written 88 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 2: down so you're like, hey, this is what we're doing. 89 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,119 Speaker 2: Two point play. And the other thing is the reminder 90 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 2: players not plays. Let's remember who best players are and 91 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: let's make sure winning out the ball goes to dem 92 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 2: If we lose with the ball in the hands of 93 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: your best player, so be it. But don't get too cute. 94 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: Think about the play and not think about the player. 95 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: All Right, we're gonna get some NFL stuff here, but 96 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: I am I'm gonna stay on this because I had 97 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: another question for you. I've wondered this from a coaching 98 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 1: standpoint on high school. Is someone obviously playing in the 99 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: NFL and been at the highest level in all the 100 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: scouting experience to go along with it, Buck, I'm always 101 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: fascinated by In the NFL, you're gonna run certain formation, 102 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 1: certain look to see how they're playing you, and then 103 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: based off of how they're playing, you might queue up 104 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: what you want to call later on in the game. 105 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: In high school, is the coaching good enough and discipline 106 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: enough that when you give certain looks you're going to 107 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: get the same response, or is there some of it 108 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: that makes it harder to coach because the unpredictability of 109 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: a they should not be in this look against what 110 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: we're running right now, but somehow they've navigated into this. 111 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: And now I had a call based on the way 112 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: they should play this, and now I got to adjust 113 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: because what they're doing is nowhere near how they should 114 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: be playing the look that we're given. 115 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: So I've lived two different coaching lives. Right, So anyone 116 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 2: who knows southern California understands like the sections and those things. 117 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 2: So I went from being at a school Notre Dame, 118 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: which was in the southern section, where we're taking players 119 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: that are experience, you football players, they've been playing their 120 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 2: whole time, and so you can kind of give them 121 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: more stuff, more high IQ stuff, and we could do that. 122 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 2: So I've lived in that life where a three by one, 123 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 2: they're automatically going to check the guests if we motion, 124 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: so you can kind of know what they're doing. I'm 125 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 2: now at a school where I can't be as advanced. 126 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 2: I'm a little more simple. I may be one formation 127 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: all the time, but off of that one formation, we 128 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 2: may have like a go to and a counter tacked 129 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: it to go to it, and some things. I will say, 130 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: there are things that you're trying to set people up for, 131 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: so you run a play, even if it's a throwaway play, 132 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 2: like I want them to see this now so I 133 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 2: can come back to it later. I think high school 134 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: is still advancing up because high school is so different now. 135 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: I would say seven on seven, the explosion of playing 136 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: the video game Madden and those things. There are a 137 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 2: lot of kids that really no ball and understand how 138 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 2: to do things. So yeah, it can happen because DJ 139 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: I've done things where you know AFC defenses, automatic front 140 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: and coverage, where you tell them, hey, we're going to 141 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 2: play a certain call based on formation. Those things happen 142 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: in high school. And that happens whether you at the 143 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,279 Speaker 2: top levels like the modern days or Bosco's to even 144 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:46,280 Speaker 2: at a level where we play at there's some things 145 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 2: that it can do. But I think the hardest thing 146 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: and it's funny because when you hear the great coaches 147 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 2: at any level, Like had a conversation with Belichick over 148 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: the summer. We have talked to Nick Saban and Brian Killer, 149 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: they all come back to, hey, man, keep it simple, 150 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: so you can play fast and if you do that, man, 151 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: you can have a lot of success. And so it 152 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: is not showing everything that you know, but meeting the 153 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: players where they're at so they can play comfortable, because 154 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: that's what you play against. I'm coaching against fifteen and 155 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: sixteen year olds on the other side of the field, 156 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: not to coach. And so you want to make sure 157 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: that you don't make it too complex or too money 158 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: for your own players and you getting away. 159 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good advice. Well, there we go a tigh 160 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: school football season. So hope you guys are all excited 161 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: for it as we are. NFL. 162 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 2: Go ahead, y, I get one more thing because I 163 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: feel like we do recommendations and things of that nature. 164 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: And you came to me talking about any given Saturday, 165 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 2: and I have one for you. You have got to watch 166 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: if you're in the team building you have got to 167 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: watch the Dallas Cowboys Netflix docu series. 168 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm one episode in DJ. First episode last night was 169 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: awesome DJ. 170 00:07:51,720 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna say this, Jerry Jones is about him, 171 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: but that Jimmy Johnson's is on another level when it 172 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: comes to building a team and whatever, and like just 173 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: that thing happy, I watched two episodes. 174 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: Last night, and okay, so I got it one behind you. 175 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 2: I was like, oh my goodness. But the way that 176 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: they brought that team back and all of it, like 177 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: getting a little mix of do you when Miami was 178 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Miami and him going to the Cowboys and just the 179 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 2: dog fighting of training camp and just everything. I was like, yeah, 180 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: you understand why some coaches are great and why they 181 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: just get it. It is a it's a remarkable study. 182 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: That's another one that is great to watch. 183 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: So we weren't gonna go here, but just off of 184 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: I watched one episode and I'm curious if you had 185 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 1: the same thought I'm watching. And we had said, if 186 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: you remember this in the spring, I had begged the 187 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: Cowboys to do something fun and exciting, and I said, 188 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: you know, I think that the like the passing on 189 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: Manziel and taking Zach Martin obviously was the right move. 190 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: They just stayed away from Manzel and all that ended 191 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: up being with all of his drama. They got to 192 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: drafted a Hall of Player. But I feel like because 193 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: they were rewarded for being conservative there and that's not 194 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: what Jerry wanted to do. You know, they had to 195 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: like talk him off the ledge to keep him doing that. 196 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: I feel like almost all these subsequent decisions going forward, 197 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Like this documentary, if you haven't seen it, watched the 198 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: first episode and it talks about how Jerry Jones are 199 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: fifty million dollars in debt, you know, try and just 200 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: it with oil wells everywhere, just digging and hoping to 201 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: hit it, and then finally he hits it and then bam, 202 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: hundred million bucks based off of one well, which you 203 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: know it was it was a risky move. Then you're 204 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: watching that, you go, man, you fire Tom Lander, you 205 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 1: go bringing Jimmy Johnson, Like that's a risky move. Think 206 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: about And I haven't got any deeper into this documentary, 207 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: but this was the aggressive Dallas Cowboys, Charles Haley, Dion Sanders, Like, 208 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: that's bold trade for Joey Galloway, Like this they were 209 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: the show man that that was the excitement and there 210 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: was risk, and the risks ultimately paid off with three 211 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And I'm like, that doesn't resemble anything. This 212 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: is a Marty. This is hiring Brian Schottenheimer, this is 213 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: having you know, like going look at all the guys 214 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: that they've hired. A lot the way since then. I 215 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: mean even like Barry switchy'all give you credit on that one, 216 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: Like that was out of the box. 217 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: They've hold, they've gone away from. 218 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: I haven't don't do that anymore. 219 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 2: And it's funny because we've talked about the team kind 220 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 2: of has to be a reflection of the city. Right, 221 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: So when you're in LA and you're coaching the Lakers, 222 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 2: no one wants to see the Lakers scoring eighty points 223 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: a game. You come to watch the Lakers score in 224 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: the hundreds, showtime Lakers. Because La is glitz and glamour 225 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: and those things. I believe your team kind of has 226 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 2: to embody those things. Detroit, the Lions and the Pistons, 227 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: they're at their best when they play a gritty style 228 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: that reflects those things. But when we think about Dallas, 229 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: Dallas is all glitz and glam like it is very 230 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: similar to a Southwest version of LA in terms of 231 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: like the way they think about it and you do 232 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: what you do want to approach it, like, hey man, 233 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: we got to be bold, we got to be daring. 234 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: They go for it like that's what they appreciate. And 235 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: when they've been at their best, and he said this 236 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: in the dock. Whenever I've gone counterculture, it has always 237 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 2: worked out for us. It is better for me. I 238 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: made my most money when I've gone against the green, 239 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: and he's going away from that. 240 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I mean it seems like such a 241 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: And I wonder if if this documentary almost work as 242 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: a mirror to hold up in front of him and 243 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,359 Speaker 1: be like, man, like we we aren't that hyper aggressive, 244 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: go for it group anymore. 245 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: Because when you do that, like hey man, you go 246 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: for it, you swing, you miss, But you always know 247 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: this is who they are. They're gonna go bold, and 248 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: I think the podcast that we were taping, you were 249 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 2: advocating for them to go get Travis Hunter, like something 250 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: that is out the box, something that is like a bold, 251 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: bodacious because that's what the Cowboys are, and that's what 252 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 2: they've been when they've been at their best, and you 253 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: probably haven't got to it, but in looking at their team, 254 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: you know like they kind of had that, because that's 255 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 2: the model team that Jerry always references, right, the triplets, Aikman, 256 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 2: Irvin Emmitt Smith. Aikman is like buttoned up to the point, 257 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,719 Speaker 2: Irvin is the wild child, and then Emmett is kind 258 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: of somewhere in between in terms of competitive arrogance, but 259 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: still on the details. That team kind of has to 260 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: have some of those personalities to get on track. I 261 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: can't say that they're all the way like that now, 262 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: And maybe that's why they haven't been able to replicate 263 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: some of the success that they had back then because 264 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 2: the pieces are different in this new version of the Cowboy. 265 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you think about some of the things 266 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 1: they were able to replicate. You know, they had those 267 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 1: awesome offensive lines during the nineties. They had they had 268 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: the best offensive line with Martin and Tyron Smith and 269 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: and all that crew that they had there for probably 270 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: a Travis Frederick for what five six year run where 271 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: they were the best offensive line in the NFL and 272 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: and DJ Okay. 273 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: Let's we'll just use that that nineties team as the example. 274 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 2: Whenever they follow that model, they have actually won and 275 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 2: won at a high level. So if you think about 276 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 2: the offensive line having a dominant receiver outside, but the 277 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: other part was having a dominant running back. So whether 278 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 2: it's Jamiko Murray, whether it's Ezekiel Elliott and whoever they 279 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: had on the outside with the quarterback, those Cowboys teams 280 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: won and got close to being the championship caliber team 281 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: that you talk about. So to me, the blueprint is 282 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: there and establishing every team has a formula for success. 283 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 2: The Cowboys just got to stick to their formula. And 284 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 2: in a way, you kind of want them to ignore 285 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 2: all the outside noise because they've been so non traditional. 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 2: But everyone on the outside prefers a traditional approach. The 287 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,319 Speaker 2: Cowboys got to ignore that and do what works for them, 288 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 2: which is being Jerry, being the gambler and making it 289 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 2: happen in a very unconventional, non traditional way. Yeah. 290 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: Well, I know Netflix knows how to do these things, 291 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: man Like. I give them credit. One episode, I put 292 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 1: it on pause. How many episodes are there, by the way? 293 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 2: Eight? 294 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 1: You know? 295 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 2: Eight? 296 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: See that's Brazil. That's gonna get me to Brazil. Baby, 297 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: that's gonna that's gonna be my flight. I'm not gonna 298 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: watch anymore until then. I got a couple episodes of 299 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: The College Show with any given Saturday, and then I'm 300 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: gonna have that done. 301 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 2: Look, I don't know what has happened to them, but 302 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: they are knocking it out of the park when it 303 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: comes to those things or whatever it's captivating it is. Look, 304 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: man that I told you that the Saturday Show, the 305 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,160 Speaker 2: sec thing had me going. And then this is like 306 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: kind of nostalgic because that's my era playing and I 307 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: remember those teams, and I remember how bold and like 308 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 2: man I was, the Green Bay Packers when they were 309 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 2: in the middle of it and we couldn't beat them, 310 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 2: and Reggie White, the late Reggie White. We get frustrated 311 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: by Eric Williams and those guys just knocking them around, 312 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 2: but we had no answer for them. And they were 313 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: bold and they told you, oh yeah, we don't have audibles. 314 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: We're we're running right here, We're going over here, and 315 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: everyone knows it and you can't stop it. Like there 316 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 2: is some too. Hey, man, when I'm betting than you, 317 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: I don't have to treat. They were just so loaded. 318 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: It's incredible, Like the golf one on their full swing 319 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:11,960 Speaker 1: is incredible, Like they just they know how to do 320 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: this whole genre. Man, They've got it down. Pat, let's 321 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 1: say a quick break. We will get some NFL stuff, 322 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: some current stuff right after this, all right, but a 323 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: couple of things I want to hit you on as 324 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: we're kind of in a little bit of this lull 325 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: here before we get to the regular season. We got 326 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: the last preseason games coming up, which I don't imagine 327 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: you'll see much of any of these guys play, but 328 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: we're seeing some back end roster trades, which I think 329 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: we're seeing more of now than we did maybe five 330 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: ten years ago, which I really really like. Harry Phillips. 331 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: Harrison Phillips goes to the Jets, the defensive tackle from Minnesota. 332 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: Minnesota loaded up a DT and the offseason, so that 333 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: made him expendable, so he goes up to the Jets. 334 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: Sky Moore goes to the suddenly starved wide receiver San 335 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers. They are in a tough spot, 336 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: so he gets moved. And I think this is just 337 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: a tree club. You're gonna see a bunch of these 338 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: come down probably after this last preseason game. Looks like 339 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: some teams, including the Chiefs, are shopping for running backs, 340 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: so you're gonna see some running backs moved. But I 341 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: love this man, like in terms of let's sit and 342 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: wait and hope we can claim somebody, Uh screw that, Like, 343 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: let's just do a seven or a six that could 344 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: you know that can get us a player right now? 345 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's what we're seeing. And it's been 346 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: a change in the league. And some of that is because, 347 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: let's be honest, DJ, our contemporaries are now in general 348 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 2: manager positions, and there's a different thought in the younger 349 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: generation when it comes to building the team as opposed 350 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: to everyone talks about draft and development. That's still a 351 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: big part of it, but it's I need this, I'm 352 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 2: gonna go get this. I'm not gonna worry about like 353 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 2: the pick as much before we were at when we 354 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 2: were scouted, we were at a time where everyone was 355 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 2: hoarding all of the picks and waiting for the draft. 356 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: I think our generation is more, yeah, man, I need this, 357 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 2: so I give up this pick and and and figure 358 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: it out down the line. I need to get a player. 359 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 2: And it's been exciting. It's been exciting to watch some 360 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: of these teams make moves. But DJ, some of this 361 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: stuff is predictable. When you see the surplus that the 362 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 2: Minnesota Vikings had, you know, when they go and get 363 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 2: Hard Graves and Jonathan Allen and then you're looking at 364 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 2: Harrison Phillips, like, man, he's a good player, but like 365 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: an are they gonna keep him? And then they eventually 366 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: move on from him at the end of training camp. 367 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: That's kind of what you're supposed to do. Years ago, 368 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 2: Ron Woolf used to always talk about this. The part 369 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 2: of the reason why you fortify strength is because if 370 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: you have a surplus at a strong gary, you use 371 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,919 Speaker 2: the access to fortify a weak area. That's why you 372 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: build strength on strength, because it gives you the freedom 373 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 2: to do that. And some of these teams are finding 374 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: value in being able to auction off some areas of 375 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 2: strength to get back and feel the position of need. 376 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're gonna see more of that too 377 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: here over the next week. Another thing I wanted to 378 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 1: hit you on, man one of the field good stories, 379 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: one of the great stories. Tyson Bagent backup quarterback for 380 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 1: the Bears. It gets himself a two year, ten million 381 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: dollar extension, which solid money for a backup. He's played really, 382 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 1: really well in the preseason. It looks like Ben Johnson 383 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 1: system fits him quite well. He's done some good things 384 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: when he's given opportunities to get out there. But this 385 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: is a guy who's got such a great story. Came 386 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: from nothing. You know, his dad was arm wrestling champion 387 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: Tom Pelsero at the senior Bowl, a chance to arm 388 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: wrestle his dad, which was a fun little piece of TV. 389 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: But he was emotional and crying to saying, like his dad, 390 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: you know when he was growing up, didn't have you know, 391 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: indoor plumbing or whatever until he was fourteen fifteen years old. 392 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: There's so many people he's going to be able to 393 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:36,360 Speaker 1: help out with his money. I don't know that I've 394 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: ever seen a player at a press conference. Normally it's 395 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: almost like shield yourself. You don't want everybody to come 396 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: at you asking for this dad or the other. He 397 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,680 Speaker 1: basically put it out an advertisement for all his family 398 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: and close the loved ones. Hey, I'm going to take 399 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: care of you. That was pretty cool, you know what 400 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: DJ like. 401 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: I think at the end of this sometimes we get 402 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 2: so numb to the numbers they guys make, right. We're 403 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 2: so used to quarterbacks in the fifteen million, soon to 404 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: be sixty million dollar club, and then you think about Tyson, Maagine, 405 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: who is You're talking about two year, ten million dollars, 406 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 2: which on the surface in the landscape doesn't appear to 407 00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 2: be a lot. But we're talking about life changing money, 408 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: like life changing generational wealth that could be fostered out 409 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: of that, and you know, I just it's a reminder 410 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: when it comes to it when we're talking about players, 411 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 2: and we talked about it, and you brought it up 412 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 2: more than we've ever talked about it during the free 413 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: draft process. Guys that really love it, man, like the hunger, 414 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: the the just Rick Patino used to call it PhDs, poor, 415 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 2: hungary and driven. You know, guys that are just getting 416 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 2: after it because like, look, man, this is the only option. 417 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,359 Speaker 2: As they appraise it, there's a sense of desperation and 418 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: urgency that they operate with. In watching that presser, He's 419 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: operated with that edge that hey, I gotta make this happen, 420 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: like this is going to happen, And sometimes that can 421 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 2: be a difference make regardless of whatever your real circumstance is, 422 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: and you manufacture that that hunger, that desire, the determination 423 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 2: to get to the next level and to do something. 424 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: So I appreciate I love it. 425 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: I was thinking about this and that's why I want 426 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: to take it next here because there's kids, there's kids 427 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 1: that haven't even played a game of their senior year 428 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: in high school that have made more money off football 429 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: right now than Tyson Pagent made in his college career 430 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: like that, that's that's where we are, like that they're 431 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: able to get this money from colleges even before they 432 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: have stepped foot on campus. So I was thinking of this, 433 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: this this elevator that we have in college football now, 434 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: and I think you're going to see and again, we're 435 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: trying to get to your point, trying to find you know, 436 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 1: poor hungry, driven like find the guys who have the 437 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: care factor, who really you know, there's a want to there. 438 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 1: We're going to see from a competition standpoint, guys in 439 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 1: the big sky, guys in the you know, in the 440 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: in the non power for play well as freshman and sophomores, 441 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: and they're going to big money and they're going to 442 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: go play in the SEC in the Big ten and 443 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: they're gonna kind of graduate up to that. So that's 444 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: going to be you know, an opportunity on the plus side, 445 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: seeing these players play against really, really good competition, so 446 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: it's an easier way to evaluate them. I think one 447 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 1: of the other things that we could see Buck that's 448 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating in terms of finding the hidden guys, 449 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: that guys that are driven are going to be the 450 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,959 Speaker 1: back end power for guys can't get on the field, 451 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:25,199 Speaker 1: who are taking that elevator down instead of taking the 452 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,719 Speaker 1: elevator up. And you're gonna see guys that are you 453 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: talk about hungry. Hey, they won't let me get on 454 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 1: the field. I got to go somewhere I can play, 455 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: and then it is I am all in. I got 456 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: this time. I'm going to maximize it at a group 457 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: of five school or you know, FCS school. 458 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really interesting because we are at a crossroads 459 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 2: when it comes to that, right, so so many people 460 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 2: are chasing the bag and chasing like the NFL dream 461 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 2: and feeling like, oh, I got to play up to 462 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: have that opportunity. There is going to be a path 463 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: where a team is going to be really smart and 464 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 2: they're gonna look for all those guys that kind of 465 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 2: fall in the cracks that aren't necessarily able to get 466 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: to the power ford and play, but they're really good 467 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,679 Speaker 2: group of five players that have the developmental potential, but 468 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: more so the intangibles to carve a path for themselves 469 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: in the league. And from a collegiate standpoint, I just wonder, 470 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: are there going to be enough guys who have enough 471 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: humility to look around, read the room and say, you 472 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 2: know what, I know, I'm good enough to play here, 473 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 2: but man, I know I can play down and have 474 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: more opportunities to play because we have said this in 475 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: the league and I know, like there's so many different 476 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 2: voices that are talking to kids now, But DJ, if 477 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: you can play, we'll find you. That has always been 478 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 2: the NFL thing. There aren't many surprises of secrets. If 479 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: you're good enough, we'll find you. And that's you and 480 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 2: I talking about. Think about the fall places that we've 481 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 2: been on the West Coast looking to evaluate players. Whether 482 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 2: it's will lamit for me, Limfield, I mean I've been 483 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: everywhere Carol College and Hellen. I mean, just if you 484 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 2: can play, the NFL will find you. And I think 485 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 2: some guys will have to understand like, hey, I may 486 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 2: not be able to get to the top, but I 487 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 2: sure it can carve out an opportunity for myself being 488 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: a dominant player at a slightly lower level. 489 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: This is the way that this is the formula that 490 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: I wrote down the best way that I can say it. 491 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: If you can play, no matter where you are, if 492 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: you can play, you will get paid, Like eventually you 493 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: will get paid. 494 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 2: Yep. 495 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: If you get paid, it does not guarantee you will play. 496 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: So if given that choice, if it's close, go play, 497 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: go play, and you will be ruled. But I think 498 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: we're gonna see that. I think we're gonna see some 499 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a tough decision for some kids because 500 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: they're gonna sign with schools, they're gonna get a nice 501 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: chunk of money, and they're gonna get beat out by 502 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: somebody that they're similar, and then they're going to have 503 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: that little dilemma of Okay, well, they're guaranteeing me this 504 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: money going forward, even though I'm not going to play, 505 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna afford. Am I really gonna forego this financial 506 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: security that they are offering here to go somewhere else. 507 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: I don't get the money, but I can play. But man, 508 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 1: I got to have confidence in myself. I know if 509 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,679 Speaker 1: I can play, I'm gonna play well, and then then 510 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: I'll get taken care of after that. 511 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 2: You know. It's funny, man, And I've had to say 512 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 2: because an old wise person told me a long time ago, 513 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,240 Speaker 2: chase dreams, not dollars. So you have to make a 514 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: decision what is the ultimate dream? Because if you chase 515 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: the dream and you make every decision based on what 516 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: the dream is, what the goal is. The money will 517 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 2: ultimately come. But if you make decisions based on the 518 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: immediate dollar and what's in front of you right now, 519 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't mean it's necessarily going to take you one 520 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:52,560 Speaker 2: step closer to the dream. And these kids have to 521 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 2: have a true feel and awareness of who am I, 522 00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: where am I, and what is going to get me 523 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 2: one step close so to where I want to go. 524 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 2: And sometimes that me may mean taking an off the 525 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: beaten path journey to get there, but you still get 526 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,919 Speaker 2: to the same destination. You just have to keep the 527 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: main thing, the main thing, What is the dream? Where 528 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,640 Speaker 2: do I want to get to? I can get there 529 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 2: in an alternate I don't have to go straight path. 530 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: I can take a curve. I can go on a 531 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 2: detour still get to where I want to be. 532 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it's a fascinating decision. These kids are put 533 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 1: in a position where there's no history to drop on, 534 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:30,480 Speaker 1: there's no example of what the right or wrong way 535 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: is to do it. So I don't eneby them in 536 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: that respect. Looking forward to a great uh you know 537 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: start of college football. We've got Pharmageddon this weekend. Buck, 538 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: that'll be fun one K State. Iowa State should be 539 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. 540 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 2: A lot of fun. And look here's what I'm gonna say. Man, 541 00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 2: we just talked about like good coaches, and I just 542 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 2: think about the program that Iowa State is and has become, 543 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 2: and Matt Campbell has done a really good job of 544 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: not only building it up, but falling back and then 545 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 2: building it back up again, and so I think about 546 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 2: what that is and then for me, K State has 547 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: always been one of those places, going all the way 548 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 2: back to Bill Snyder and how tough it was as 549 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 2: a scout to go in there because they didn't let 550 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: you see you do much of anything. But they've always 551 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: been able to punch above their weight and they've always 552 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: had a bunch of pros that play for them. This 553 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: is gonna be a fascinating game to watch. You love 554 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 2: the greediness of both programs and the kids that come 555 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 2: through there. It should be a lot of fun. That's 556 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: a great game to watch. 557 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: Also, rock O Becked, Anthony Becks, how about. 558 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 2: That thing around the yard? Throwing it around the yard 559 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 2: Iowa State? Like, Yeah, I mean there's some good players, DJ, 560 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 2: there's just some it's so funny, like because because when 561 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 2: we talk about it, and this is going to be 562 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: a celebrated class, and I know everyone's gonna talk about 563 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: arch Man in regardless of whether he's in this class 564 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 2: or the next class, Like he's gonna kind of dominate 565 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 2: the conversation. But DJ, when you look around the country, 566 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 2: the quarterbacks that are in this class or the next, 567 00:26:57,080 --> 00:27:00,479 Speaker 2: there's some really good players coming. The position is in 568 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,639 Speaker 2: really good hands. It'll be exciting to see how this 569 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: shakes out over the course of the collegiate season. 570 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, the SEC has watched the Big Ten. You know, 571 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: hoist a couple of championships here, and I'm telling you, man, 572 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: this year, the quarterbacks and the SEC, they're all great stories. 573 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fun to watch the quarterbacks in that 574 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: conference and see if they can't get right back on 575 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: top of the mountain after the Big Ten's had a 576 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: nice little run. 577 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, the Big Ten has had a nice little run, 578 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: and they've debunked a lot of the narratives the uses 579 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 2: around that conference. Because remember, for a long time we 580 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 2: were talking about the speed or lack of speed that 581 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: used to exist in that conference. We don't talk about 582 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 2: that anymore. You think about the wide receivers, particularly at 583 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 2: Ohio State and some of the other programs, the way 584 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 2: that they're able to kind of move the ball, the 585 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 2: quarterbacks that have come out of there. Yeah, the SEC 586 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: has to get some of that get back. But I'm 587 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: be honest with you, man, that gauntlet and I know 588 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: people sometimes have this this love hey relationship with the SEC. 589 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: There is no denying you watch when you watched them play, 590 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 2: and you watched the weekly blood bath that ensues, and 591 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: a little different down there. It's a little it's a 592 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 2: little different. It's a little different. It's a little different 593 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 2: down there. And I mean that's why, like we said 594 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 2: for years, man, the best goals the teams. They're go 595 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,960 Speaker 2: fucking a lot of those guys from the Southeast, no doubt. 596 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: We can't wait for college football to get here. We'll 597 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: have some reaction from that game as well as some 598 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: previous from next weekend as we really really get underway here. 599 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 1: Anything else you want to get into before we get 600 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,760 Speaker 1: out of here, block, I got to get up, get out. 601 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,439 Speaker 1: We both got My son's got a high school game. 602 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 1: You got a high school game. I'm taking off tomorrow 603 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: San Francisco for the last preseason game where you at 604 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: where you at. 605 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: Miami, heading to Miami. So yeah, six a flight tomorrow morning. 606 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: Fun though, isn't it good to be big? I like 607 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: being busy, man, it is. 608 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 2: I mean now, DJ like we're rolling downhill, rock rolling downhill, 609 00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,320 Speaker 2: heading into the season, college, pro, high school, all of 610 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 2: it is going all the one time. So this is 611 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 2: a fun time you year from me especially, All. 612 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: Right, well, good luck, go get them tonight, go get 613 00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: your win. I want to hear all about it when 614 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: we can chef next week. But that's gonna do it 615 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: for us. We'll see you next time. Right here on, 616 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: move the sticks. 617 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 2: H m hm