WEBVTT - Joe Moorhead and Offensive Innovation 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:05.600 Welcome to the solid verbo. I'm that for me. 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:09.600 I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:11.280 well I want to be happy. You want to be 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:13.000 happy for dake Edo State? 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.720 Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back 0:00:19.720 --> 0:00:22.479 to the Solid Verbal boys and girls. My name is 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.800 ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in New 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:31.360 York City, Dan Rubinstein and once again, scheme theme Scheme 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.400 theme rolls on here on the podcast. Dan, how are 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:35.839 you boo boo boo? 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:38.440 I don't know why there's like an old school computer 0:00:38.520 --> 0:00:40.600 sound that I'm making because scheme doesn't have anything to 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.440 do with that. I'm great, Ty, I am. I'm pretty 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:45.200 juiced for everybody to hear this show. 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:45.800 I am. 0:00:45.880 --> 0:00:46.960 I'm very excited. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:51.120 Last week we talked to Seth Latrelle from the North 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:55.080 Texas Mean Green. People were really excited about that interview. 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:58.320 Today we've got another great one. He is the new 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:02.320 head football code for Mississippi State. His name is Joe Moorehead. 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.000 You may know him from some of his previous stops. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.600 He's been at Penn State the last two years, coordinating 0:01:08.640 --> 0:01:10.840 an incredible offense that was so much fun to watch. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.800 Before that he was at Fordham, He's had stints elsewhere 0:01:14.920 --> 0:01:19.080 like Connecticut, so on and so forth with ja Ackron. Yeah, Acker, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.679 And we're going to get into all that in much 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.120 much more. But we are so excited to have coach 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:24.160 Morehead with us tonight. 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:24.600 Yeah. 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:28.080 Absolutely no excited to talk to him about the sort 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.000 of I mean, he has become known as somebody who 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:34.639 perhaps has mastered the RPO more than any other coach 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:38.919 and has succeeded wildly in that system for penn State. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:41.800 And you know, sa Quon Barkley is now a household name, 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:45.480 Trace McSorley, you know all these You know, Micah Sickis 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.400 has turned stars into megastars whatever, just putting up a 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:52.800 ton of yards and crazy excited to see what he 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:56.480 is able to do at Mississippi State with a different 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.760 I wouldn't say a different sort of athlete, but going 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:03.120 to a region that perhaps is even crazier about football 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.280 than Central PA, which Pennsylvania is super underrated in terms 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.440 of the talent and the passion for football. But to 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.639 see what he's able to do on arguably and even 0:02:11.639 --> 0:02:14.480 bigger stage in the SEC West, I think is pretty 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.799 exciting as just a general college football fan. 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:19.480 I admire the innovation and we can link it up 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:22.280 as part of this show. But Bruce Felman put together 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.760 an incredible oral history of the Joe Morehead offense that 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.080 we saw at Penn State the last two years, and 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:32.720 of course it stems back to Morehead's time with Randy 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:35.240 Etzel at Yukon and some of his other stops, but 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.040 you really get a nice picture of how he cobbled 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.840 this thing together and really you get a portal into 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:45.880 how he was able to innovate in a sport that 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:48.200 it's just you wonder to yourself, how our coach is 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.000 going to continue innovating. It's because Joe Morehead thought about 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.359 things a little bit differently. So whether it's the way 0:02:53.400 --> 0:02:55.960 he approaches the passing game, whether it's some of the 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.360 RPOs he installs in the running game, just so many 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.200 creative things that he's brought to the four that I'm 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.280 excited to have him as part of scheme theme. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:08.000 One of the sort of huge success stories of like 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:11.960 the basketball on grass mentality, especially with the options that 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.480 a quarterback has, you know, adding something on at the 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:18.400 last second. It's almost like backdoor passes, reading somebody coming 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:20.359 out to guard the three point line and suddenly there's 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:22.960 an aalupe available that's wide open. That kind of thing. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.080 It sort of flows really nicely when you break down 0:03:26.360 --> 0:03:28.680 and watch some of these offenses over and over again. 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:31.120 And fun fact, Ty and I'll ask him about this 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:35.240 in the interview, is he overlapped at Yukon as first 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.520 an offensive coordinator, then a quarterbacks coach, the coordinators on 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:42.560 defense while he was there Todd Orlando and Don Brown. Wow, 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.640 pretty nice, pretty good brains to pick. Wow, So sort 0:03:46.680 --> 0:03:49.520 of fortuitous, and that coaching staff and staffs were pretty 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:52.520 ridiculous and it shows with you know, Jordan Toddman and 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.320 the success that they were able to have in like 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.800 twenty ten, twenty eleven in there. 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You already know who 0:06:28.839 --> 0:06:31.400 I'm joined with, but of course let's welcome to the show. 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:33.760 You know him from his time coordinating the offense at 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.880 Penn State and of course, of course as head coach 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:40.599 of New York's one True team, the Fordham Rams. Now 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:44.280 Mississippi State. New Mississippi State head coach Joe Morehead, Joe, 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:47.120 how's life in Starkville? I assume basically the same as 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:48.040 the Bronx. 0:06:48.640 --> 0:06:52.039 It's going great and hailman of fordhamn in Hale State. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:53.800 I believe that's appropriate at this time. 0:06:54.120 --> 0:06:58.159 Fair fair, So when you're talking to Mississippi State, I 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.760 think this is November. How familiar at that point are 0:07:01.800 --> 0:07:06.960 you with just basic things personnel, previous scheme and even 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.120 like the potential of building your vision in Starkville. 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:16.160 From the initial conversations, I had very little familiarity. Obviously 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.960 knew they played in the SEC West, Coach main had 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.240 done a very good job here building a solid foundation, 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.280 and you know, had known about Nick Fitzgerald from just 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.200 you know, catching games here and there, but but really 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.320 didn't have too much of an in depth knowledge of 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:28.680 the team. 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:33.200 So even knowing the South for instance, obviously that's a 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.520 big thing that that people are going to talk about 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.600 that you know, you're you're from the Northeast. You've coached 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.160 in the Midwest and the Northeast. Is that Did you 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:44.680 get any initial pushback about recruiting and scheme and sort 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.280 of even language of football down there or are you 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.720 confident that you know that those are things that can 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:50.520 be transcended. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.320 I don't think it all was scheme and with language 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:58.000 scheme a little bit from from the recruiting standpoint, because 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.280 there is a certain regional aspect to it. But ultimately, 0:08:01.360 --> 0:08:03.400 at the end of the day, if you can recruit, 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:05.200 you can recruit. If you can't, you can't. It doesn't 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:07.800 matter where you come from. And the things that that uh, 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:11.840 you know, that have no bounds are hard work, the 0:08:11.880 --> 0:08:14.480 ability to communicate and build into personal relationships and the 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.280 ability to identify prospects. So if you could do it 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:18.520 in the North, you can do it in the South. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.000 So now that you've seen your team, you obviously know 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:24.840 a lot more. You know, going into spring practice, you've 0:08:24.880 --> 0:08:27.280 had a chance to watch tape. Do you see this 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.320 as a, you know, because of the success in these 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:32.840 past couple of years, as sort of a turnkey operation, 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.080 as you know, there are pieces, but there's a lot 0:08:35.120 --> 0:08:37.040 of work to be done. Or is it, you know, 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:39.559 almost like a starting from scratch kind of thing. 0:08:40.840 --> 0:08:43.320 Definitely not starting from scratch. You know, every day that 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:46.960 I'm here, I become more and more confident of the 0:08:47.000 --> 0:08:49.960 opportunities presented to us. I think coach mon did a 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:52.440 fantastic job, like I said, building the foundation, and our 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.480 job now is to elevate it from good to great. 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.040 And you know, the term that we're using around the 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.000 building now is championship standard. Sure, I've been very fortunate 0:09:00.280 --> 0:09:03.000 at the last four places i've been Penn State, Ford, Them, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.400 Yukon and Acron that we won a conference championship. And 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.760 you know, Mississippi State's had one winning season in the 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.520 last fifteen years in SEC play. Now we've been to 0:09:12.559 --> 0:09:14.800 eight or nine straight pulls, but not. My job is 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.240 to make sure that you know we're competing for an 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:19.800 SEC championship and have the ability to you know, to 0:09:19.840 --> 0:09:21.280 get in the national championship mix. 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.920 So in talking to coaches, you you consistently learn, and 0:09:25.960 --> 0:09:30.200 I speak saying you, I playbooks and systems and I 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:33.920 love a good food analogy. They're sort of complicated stews 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:37.040 of ingredients you like and see along the way. So 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:43.000 I guess, walk me through your biggest ingredient influences as 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:44.319 it stands in twenty eighteen. 0:09:46.280 --> 0:09:49.040 Yeah, I've sometimes in clints referred to our offense as 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.480 the Chipotle offense. Love it that there's not a ton 0:09:51.520 --> 0:09:53.480 of ingredients, but there's a lot of mixing and matching 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:55.720 going on. You have a few things you can hang 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:59.599 your hat on, and then through different tags and RPO aspects, 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.000 you can change the presentation and make it look like 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.280 you're doing a lot more than you actually are. So 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.800 I love a good food reference too, particularly not on 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.680 here that they put thirty pounds on me. But you know, 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.080 I think this offense was one you kind of saw 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.000 the initial phases of an actor, and not so much 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.080 at Yukon. But then when we got to Fordham and 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:19.079 I became the head coach and had fifty one percent 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.600 of the vote, you know, we really was the bones 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.400 or the structure of what you see now. 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.880 Who are your biggest influences And obviously aside from your 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.000 own brain and the staff, that are the staffs that 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:34.080 you worked with when you looked outside of college football. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:36.320 I know there are stories talking about watching Oregon tape, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.760 even watching Eastern Illinois tape with Jimmy Garoppolo, where do 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.120 you draw? Like what where did you see along the way? 0:10:42.280 --> 0:10:44.480 Like I really like what they're doing. I'm going to 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:45.480 add blank. 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:51.000 You know, from an overall from a quarterback coaching perspective, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.160 I'd say Walt Harris at Pitt. From an overall coaching structure, 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.600 Larry Corer was a guy that was a graduate assistant 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.959 for a Pitt from coach Edsel and coach Franklin a 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:04.359 lot of program management and things how to run an organization. 0:11:05.440 --> 0:11:07.480 But I'd say, you know, we've studied a bunch of 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:11.720 different teams in every year. You know, we picked something different, 0:11:11.840 --> 0:11:14.760 you know, from from one offense or another. But I 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:16.920 think that's the beauty of our offense. And Coach Browner, 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:20.080 who's our quarterbacks coach, referred to it as sophisticated simplicity. 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:24.080 Simplicity that what we're doing from an overall context never 0:11:24.120 --> 0:11:26.600 really changes, but we could tweak a few things here 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.400 and there to continue to make us better and make 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:31.040 it harder for defenses to come out what we do. 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.680 What was the quarterback coaching lessons you took from Walt 0:11:34.720 --> 0:11:35.760 Harris and Pat. 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:41.720 Now Just attention to detail, throwing on footwork, throwing on timing, 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:46.440 the ability to recover his pre and post snap, you know, 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:48.960 and I just think he's one of the best. 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:49.320 You know. 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.480 Obviously it was a different style offense. You know, more 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.000 under center, more pro style, but a lot of things 0:11:54.000 --> 0:11:56.199 he taught or you know, things we carry with us 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:56.680 to this day. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.840 What do you task with a quarterback? Obviously in your offense, 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.600 a lot of quick decisions need to be made. So 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:07.520 even first year installation, how does that that vary from 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.800 second or third year? You know, what do you ask 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:12.720 of your quarterback as soon as basically you start meeting 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:13.600 with him? 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.280 Yeah, I mean the thing that we need from a 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.280 quarterback is the ability, you know, to beat the defense 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:21.960 with his brains, his arms, and his legs. I'm literally 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:25.120 sitting here, you know, going through practice scripts now and 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.360 it's amazing to me. In year one in the installation 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.360 of the offense, you know how elementary it is relative 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:32.040 to year two, year three, or some of the things 0:12:32.040 --> 0:12:34.760 we're doing at Penn State. But like anything, it's going 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.760 to be a whole part, whole installation process. We're going 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.000 to give the information that they need to know to understand, 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.120 you know, how how the offense runs and the base 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:45.800 nuances of it, and then kind of the subtleties, you know, 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.600 we'll continue to add that on through the process of springball, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:51.280 throughout fall camp, and then certainly into the season. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.640 As a head coach, you're going to be tasked with 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:59.200 finding guys who can absorb information, top learners, guys who 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.840 can make quick to decisions. But you're also looking at 0:13:01.840 --> 0:13:05.120 them play against high school defenses, and you're asking them 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:08.720 to do things against talent and speed and size that 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:10.640 is so unfamiliar to them. 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:12.240 What do you look for? 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:14.760 How do you look for, you know, a really good 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.480 quarterback brain when you just have for a lot of 0:13:17.520 --> 0:13:18.520 the time just tape. 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:23.319 Yeah, that's that's a very that's a great observation. And 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:27.559 at every level, recruiting or player selection is an inexact science. 0:13:27.800 --> 0:13:29.839 And you know what we look for obviously at the 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:33.000 quarterback position or the measurables. You know, how tall the guys, 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:35.160 how much is he weigh? How does he run? You know, 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.559 from a decision making process, I like to look at 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.800 a completion percentage and touchdown to interception ratio. I think 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.960 that's something that's vertically important. Uh and and it really 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:46.920 is he a winner? I mean you see a guy 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:48.640 that's put the team on his back and led them 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:51.240 to great records and led them to state championships and 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:53.040 then really trying to get a feel from the game 0:13:53.080 --> 0:13:54.920 film and the highlights of how the guy competes and 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:56.480 how his teammates rally around him. 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.360 Are you seeing more and more kids in high school 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:03.200 quarterbacks and high school running things obviously not exactly what 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:07.640 you do, but similar, having similar concepts, similar tags, stuff 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.719 like that. Is it becoming more and more mainstream when 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:11.720 you're watching these kids? 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:15.640 I think it's more similar than less similar. I'd say, 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.079 I hate to put a number on it or a percentage, 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.840 but an overwhelming majority of the quarterbacks at in the 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.320 high school level that we see on tape or operating 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:26.760 out of a you know, out of a shotgun offense. 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.400 Sure, and when you obviously you've been you call them tags. Obviously, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.960 Now they're sort of more commonly known as RPOs and 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:37.440 adding passing concepts to to running formations and running plays. 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:40.920 Where where did you sort of start doing that? When 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.160 did you start doing that? Why did you start doing that? 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:46.960 No, we did a little bit of it heat Acron 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.120 and a little bit at Ukon, but we really got 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:52.920 you know, both beating the boat and kind of made 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:55.880 it a full fledged deal at Ford them and really, 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:58.280 you know, people kind of assume that it has something 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:01.520 to do with throwing the ball, and in a way 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.280 it does. But to me, the run pass option or 0:15:04.320 --> 0:15:12.280 adding tags is a way to neutralize defensive numbers because 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.920 to me, the run game comes down to three things. Numbers, angles, 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:19.480 and grass. We're the best numbers, we're the best angles 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.160 for your blockers, and how do you get your speed 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:23.080 into open space? And I think the thing with the 0:15:23.960 --> 0:15:26.720 tags and the RPOs and post snapperings second and third 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.800 level defenders, it allows you to throw the ball if 0:15:29.800 --> 0:15:31.800 the seventh or eighth defender is able to tackle the 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.040 ball care if you hand them off, and if he isn't, 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:35.840 you're able to hand the ball off and you're blocking 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:38.600 six for six or five for five. So I think 0:15:38.600 --> 0:15:40.040 one of the that's one of the reasons. You know, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:43.080 Sequah and Chase of Edmonds before that Fordham and even 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:46.320 going back to Jordan Todd and Denis Kennedy at Actor 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.080 and that we've had running backs we've either led the 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.160 league or been in the top two and rushing because 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.360 we don't hand the ball off to our backs when 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.160 there's people with the line of scrimmage we can't block. 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:58.760 What's the most difficult part of installing. 0:15:59.800 --> 0:16:00.440 Installing? 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.720 Yeah, just getting everybody on the same page with tags, 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.960 with you know, timing, with you know, overall understanding. 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:10.720 Well, for the offensive line, it's really not that big 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.560 of a deal because they hear the run play and 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:14.640 they block the run play. They could pair less with 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:16.920 the tag is you know, they have no idea what's 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.800 going on in the outside. I think probably the most 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.240 I wouldn't say difficult, but time consuming aspect is the 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:26.840 quarterback known who's pre and post snap reeds are and 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.760 allowing him, you know, the leeway to differentiate that the 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:33.080 guy he's reading is playing to run, playing the past, 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.520 and whether he should hand it off or actually throw 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:37.440 the ball. I think that's one that comes with a 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.640 lot of repetition. But once it's installed, we keep doing 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.560 the same things over and over and over again, So 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:46.320 there's a lot of repetition that that AIGs in that process. 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:51.120 Roughly, what percentage of the quarterbacks reads will he have 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:52.840 installed in year one? 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.520 In year one, I'd say he's going to have In 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.360 spring one, he won't have all of them. By the 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:02.400 time that we hit the season, through spring ball and 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.560 fall camp, he'll have he'll have all of them. Now, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:09.159 I won't say it's to the sophistication or to the 0:17:09.240 --> 0:17:11.199 degree that you know that we allow Trace to do 0:17:11.240 --> 0:17:13.359 in year two with you know, Penn State because the 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.600 offense has grown. But you know, we're going to give 0:17:15.680 --> 0:17:19.679 them the necessary information for spring, see how we do 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.160 with that, and then build on that in fall camp. 0:17:22.320 --> 0:17:25.560 With all the quarterbacks, is there any particular position that 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.280 you have to recruit differently on offense or our numbers 0:17:29.320 --> 0:17:31.080 that are different for what you want to run than 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:34.120 than might be for different other systems or schemes or packages. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.240 We don't recruit a fullback, so that'd probably be the one. 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.920 The one thing that's a little bit different. I mean, 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.119 we use our tight end in and off the ball capacity 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:44.840 and he kind of, you know, does some of the 0:17:44.960 --> 0:17:48.520 job that inline tight end would do or some of 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:50.480 the things you know, because he's off the ball, he 0:17:50.480 --> 0:17:53.160 can split flow and do things like that. But from 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.840 just a purely quarterback, running back, tight end, wide receiver, 0:17:56.960 --> 0:18:00.000 O line, you know, I don't think you're recruiting anybody differently. 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.680 You know, with Michael Gisiki and some of the things 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:04.639 that are tight end, does you know you want that 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:07.000 guy to be kind of a hybrid, you know, tight 0:18:07.119 --> 0:18:09.520 end slash big receiver, because because you asked them to 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:11.359 do both things. So I'd say that's the one position 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.320 that's probably you know, a little bit more unique than others. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:17.680 You mentioned some of the the RPO stuff evolved while 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.159 you were at Yukon, and I believe you overlapped with 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.120 both Todd Orlando and Don Brown. Is that correct? 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:28.000 Yeah, Todd I went to the same high school. So 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.000 Todd and I were there for our first two years 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.240 with with coach Edzel, and then I was with Donnie 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:35.400 our last year there. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.120 So that's that's a hell of a duo, a defensive 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.360 duo to be on a staff with in terms of, 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.120 you know, picking their brain and sort of seeing their 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:47.280 defenses and their minds as they are, you know, guys 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.120 who are maybe not used to seeing on the other 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.800 side of the field, you know, tags and RPO stuff. 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.400 How did sort of overlapping help you in developing your offense? 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:58.280 No, those guys are two of the best in the business. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:01.280 And Todd of Textas and Don at Michigan. You know, 0:19:01.320 --> 0:19:04.960 they're guys that I have an immense amount of respect for. 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:08.360 And you know, I guess they say iron sharpends iron 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:10.600 and when you're going against those two guys every day 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.840 in practice for Carls bringing a fall camp, it certainly 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.280 prepares you for the rigors of the season because you 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.119 know those those are two of the best in the business. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.880 Do you consult with them like I'm thinking about doing this? 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:23.199 Does this make sense? Could there be a defense that 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:24.639 would be ready for X, Y or Z. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.920 Not so much with Donnie for the last two years 0:19:27.960 --> 0:19:28.919