1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo. I'm that for me. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: I'm a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:11,280 Speaker 2: well I want to be happy. You want to be 4 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: happy for dake Edo State? 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye welcome back 6 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: to the Solid Verbal boys and girls. My name is 7 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: ty Hildenbrand, joining me as always over there in New 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: York City, Dan Rubinstein and once again, scheme theme Scheme 9 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: theme rolls on here on the podcast. Dan, how are 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: you boo boo boo? 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: I don't know why there's like an old school computer 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: sound that I'm making because scheme doesn't have anything to 13 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: do with that. I'm great, Ty, I am. I'm pretty 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 2: juiced for everybody to hear this show. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 3: I am. 16 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: I'm very excited. 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 1: Last week we talked to Seth Latrelle from the North 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: Texas Mean Green. People were really excited about that interview. 19 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: Today we've got another great one. He is the new 20 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: head football code for Mississippi State. His name is Joe Moorehead. 21 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: You may know him from some of his previous stops. 22 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: He's been at Penn State the last two years, coordinating 23 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: an incredible offense that was so much fun to watch. 24 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: Before that he was at Fordham, He's had stints elsewhere 25 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: like Connecticut, so on and so forth with ja Ackron. Yeah, Acker, 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: And we're going to get into all that in much 27 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: much more. But we are so excited to have coach 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: Morehead with us tonight. 29 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. 30 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 2: Absolutely no excited to talk to him about the sort 31 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 2: of I mean, he has become known as somebody who 32 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,639 Speaker 2: perhaps has mastered the RPO more than any other coach 33 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,919 Speaker 2: and has succeeded wildly in that system for penn State. 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: And you know, sa Quon Barkley is now a household name, 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: Trace McSorley, you know all these You know, Micah Sickis 36 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: has turned stars into megastars whatever, just putting up a 37 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: ton of yards and crazy excited to see what he 38 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 2: is able to do at Mississippi State with a different 39 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say a different sort of athlete, but going 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: to a region that perhaps is even crazier about football 41 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: than Central PA, which Pennsylvania is super underrated in terms 42 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: of the talent and the passion for football. But to 43 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: see what he's able to do on arguably and even 44 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: bigger stage in the SEC West, I think is pretty 45 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 2: exciting as just a general college football fan. 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: I admire the innovation and we can link it up 47 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: as part of this show. But Bruce Felman put together 48 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: an incredible oral history of the Joe Morehead offense that 49 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: we saw at Penn State the last two years, and 50 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: of course it stems back to Morehead's time with Randy 51 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: Etzel at Yukon and some of his other stops, but 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: you really get a nice picture of how he cobbled 53 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: this thing together and really you get a portal into 54 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: how he was able to innovate in a sport that 55 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: it's just you wonder to yourself, how our coach is 56 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,000 Speaker 1: going to continue innovating. It's because Joe Morehead thought about 57 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,359 Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. So whether it's the way 58 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: he approaches the passing game, whether it's some of the 59 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: RPOs he installs in the running game, just so many 60 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: creative things that he's brought to the four that I'm 61 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: excited to have him as part of scheme theme. 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: One of the sort of huge success stories of like 63 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: the basketball on grass mentality, especially with the options that 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: a quarterback has, you know, adding something on at the 65 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: last second. It's almost like backdoor passes, reading somebody coming 66 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 2: out to guard the three point line and suddenly there's 67 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 2: an aalupe available that's wide open. That kind of thing. 68 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: It sort of flows really nicely when you break down 69 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 2: and watch some of these offenses over and over again. 70 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 2: And fun fact, Ty and I'll ask him about this 71 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: in the interview, is he overlapped at Yukon as first 72 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator, then a quarterbacks coach, the coordinators on 73 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 2: defense while he was there Todd Orlando and Don Brown. Wow, 74 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: pretty nice, pretty good brains to pick. 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You already know who 128 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: I'm joined with, but of course let's welcome to the show. 129 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: You know him from his time coordinating the offense at 130 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 2: Penn State and of course, of course as head coach 131 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: of New York's one True team, the Fordham Rams. Now 132 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: Mississippi State. New Mississippi State head coach Joe Morehead, Joe, 133 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 2: how's life in Starkville? I assume basically the same as 134 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 2: the Bronx. 135 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 3: It's going great and hailman of fordhamn in Hale State. 136 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 3: I believe that's appropriate at this time. 137 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 2: Fair fair, So when you're talking to Mississippi State, I 138 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: think this is November. How familiar at that point are 139 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 2: you with just basic things personnel, previous scheme and even 140 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: like the potential of building your vision in Starkville. 141 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 3: From the initial conversations, I had very little familiarity. Obviously 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 3: knew they played in the SEC West, Coach main had 143 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 3: done a very good job here building a solid foundation, 144 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 3: and you know, had known about Nick Fitzgerald from just 145 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 3: you know, catching games here and there, but but really 146 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 3: didn't have too much of an in depth knowledge of 147 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 3: the team. 148 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 2: So even knowing the South for instance, obviously that's a 149 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: big thing that that people are going to talk about 150 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: that you know, you're you're from the Northeast. You've coached 151 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 2: in the Midwest and the Northeast. Is that Did you 152 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 2: get any initial pushback about recruiting and scheme and sort 153 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: of even language of football down there or are you 154 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: confident that you know that those are things that can 155 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: be transcended. 156 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: I don't think it all was scheme and with language 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 3: scheme a little bit from from the recruiting standpoint, because 158 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: there is a certain regional aspect to it. But ultimately, 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 3: at the end of the day, if you can recruit, 160 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: you can recruit. If you can't, you can't. It doesn't 161 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 3: matter where you come from. And the things that that uh, 162 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: you know, that have no bounds are hard work, the 163 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 3: ability to communicate and build into personal relationships and the 164 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: ability to identify prospects. So if you could do it 165 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: in the North, you can do it in the South. 166 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 2: So now that you've seen your team, you obviously know 167 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 2: a lot more. You know, going into spring practice, you've 168 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 2: had a chance to watch tape. Do you see this 169 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: as a, you know, because of the success in these 170 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 2: past couple of years, as sort of a turnkey operation, 171 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: as you know, there are pieces, but there's a lot 172 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: of work to be done. Or is it, you know, 173 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 2: almost like a starting from scratch kind of thing. 174 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: Definitely not starting from scratch. You know, every day that 175 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 3: I'm here, I become more and more confident of the 176 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,960 Speaker 3: opportunities presented to us. I think coach mon did a 177 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 3: fantastic job, like I said, building the foundation, and our 178 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 3: job now is to elevate it from good to great. 179 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 3: And you know, the term that we're using around the 180 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: building now is championship standard. Sure, I've been very fortunate 181 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: at the last four places i've been Penn State, Ford, Them, 182 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: Yukon and Acron that we won a conference championship. And 183 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: you know, Mississippi State's had one winning season in the 184 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 3: last fifteen years in SEC play. Now we've been to 185 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 3: eight or nine straight pulls, but not. My job is 186 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: to make sure that you know we're competing for an 187 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: SEC championship and have the ability to you know, to 188 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: get in the national championship mix. 189 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: So in talking to coaches, you you consistently learn, and 190 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 2: I speak saying you, I playbooks and systems and I 191 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 2: love a good food analogy. They're sort of complicated stews 192 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 2: of ingredients you like and see along the way. So 193 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 2: I guess, walk me through your biggest ingredient influences as 194 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 2: it stands in twenty eighteen. 195 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've sometimes in clints referred to our offense as 196 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 3: the Chipotle offense. Love it that there's not a ton 197 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: of ingredients, but there's a lot of mixing and matching 198 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 3: going on. You have a few things you can hang 199 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,599 Speaker 3: your hat on, and then through different tags and RPO aspects, 200 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 3: you can change the presentation and make it look like 201 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: you're doing a lot more than you actually are. So 202 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: I love a good food reference too, particularly not on 203 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: here that they put thirty pounds on me. But you know, 204 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 3: I think this offense was one you kind of saw 205 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 3: the initial phases of an actor, and not so much 206 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 3: at Yukon. But then when we got to Fordham and 207 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 3: I became the head coach and had fifty one percent 208 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: of the vote, you know, we really was the bones 209 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 3: or the structure of what you see now. 210 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 2: Who are your biggest influences And obviously aside from your 211 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 2: own brain and the staff, that are the staffs that 212 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: you worked with when you looked outside of college football. 213 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 2: I know there are stories talking about watching Oregon tape, 214 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: even watching Eastern Illinois tape with Jimmy Garoppolo, where do 215 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 2: you draw? Like what where did you see along the way? 216 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Like I really like what they're doing. I'm going to 217 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 2: add blank. 218 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 3: You know, from an overall from a quarterback coaching perspective, 219 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: I'd say Walt Harris at Pitt. From an overall coaching structure, 220 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: Larry Corer was a guy that was a graduate assistant 221 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 3: for a Pitt from coach Edsel and coach Franklin a 222 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:04,359 Speaker 3: lot of program management and things how to run an organization. 223 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: But I'd say, you know, we've studied a bunch of 224 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: different teams in every year. You know, we picked something different, 225 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 3: you know, from from one offense or another. But I 226 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: think that's the beauty of our offense. And Coach Browner, 227 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 3: who's our quarterbacks coach, referred to it as sophisticated simplicity. 228 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 3: Simplicity that what we're doing from an overall context never 229 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: really changes, but we could tweak a few things here 230 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 3: and there to continue to make us better and make 231 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 3: it harder for defenses to come out what we do. 232 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 2: What was the quarterback coaching lessons you took from Walt 233 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 2: Harris and Pat. 234 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: Now Just attention to detail, throwing on footwork, throwing on timing, 235 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 3: the ability to recover his pre and post snap, you know, 236 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: and I just think he's one of the best. 237 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: You know. 238 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: Obviously it was a different style offense. You know, more 239 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 3: under center, more pro style, but a lot of things 240 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 3: he taught or you know, things we carry with us 241 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: to this day. 242 00:11:57,400 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 2: What do you task with a quarterback? Obviously in your offense, 243 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 2: a lot of quick decisions need to be made. So 244 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 2: even first year installation, how does that that vary from 245 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 2: second or third year? You know, what do you ask 246 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: of your quarterback as soon as basically you start meeting 247 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: with him? 248 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the thing that we need from a 249 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 3: quarterback is the ability, you know, to beat the defense 250 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: with his brains, his arms, and his legs. I'm literally 251 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: sitting here, you know, going through practice scripts now and 252 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: it's amazing to me. In year one in the installation 253 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 3: of the offense, you know how elementary it is relative 254 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: to year two, year three, or some of the things 255 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 3: we're doing at Penn State. But like anything, it's going 256 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: to be a whole part, whole installation process. We're going 257 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 3: to give the information that they need to know to understand, 258 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 3: you know, how how the offense runs and the base 259 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: nuances of it, and then kind of the subtleties, you know, 260 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: we'll continue to add that on through the process of springball, 261 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: throughout fall camp, and then certainly into the season. 262 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 2: As a head coach, you're going to be tasked with 263 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: finding guys who can absorb information, top learners, guys who 264 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 2: can make quick to decisions. But you're also looking at 265 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 2: them play against high school defenses, and you're asking them 266 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 2: to do things against talent and speed and size that 267 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: is so unfamiliar to them. 268 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: What do you look for? 269 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: How do you look for, you know, a really good 270 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 2: quarterback brain when you just have for a lot of 271 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: the time just tape. 272 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a very that's a great observation. And 273 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 3: at every level, recruiting or player selection is an inexact science. 274 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 3: And you know what we look for obviously at the 275 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 3: quarterback position or the measurables. You know, how tall the guys, 276 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 3: how much is he weigh? How does he run? You know, 277 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 3: from a decision making process, I like to look at 278 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 3: a completion percentage and touchdown to interception ratio. I think 279 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 3: that's something that's vertically important. Uh and and it really 280 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: is he a winner? I mean you see a guy 281 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 3: that's put the team on his back and led them 282 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 3: to great records and led them to state championships and 283 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 3: then really trying to get a feel from the game 284 00:13:53,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 3: film and the highlights of how the guy competes and 285 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 3: how his teammates rally around him. 286 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: Are you seeing more and more kids in high school 287 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 2: quarterbacks and high school running things obviously not exactly what 288 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 2: you do, but similar, having similar concepts, similar tags, stuff 289 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,719 Speaker 2: like that. Is it becoming more and more mainstream when 290 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 2: you're watching these kids? 291 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: I think it's more similar than less similar. I'd say, 292 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 3: I hate to put a number on it or a percentage, 293 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 3: but an overwhelming majority of the quarterbacks at in the 294 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 3: high school level that we see on tape or operating 295 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 3: out of a you know, out of a shotgun offense. 296 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: Sure, and when you obviously you've been you call them tags. Obviously, 297 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 2: Now they're sort of more commonly known as RPOs and 298 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 2: adding passing concepts to to running formations and running plays. 299 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 2: Where where did you sort of start doing that? When 300 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 2: did you start doing that? Why did you start doing that? 301 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 3: No, we did a little bit of it heat Acron 302 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 3: and a little bit at Ukon, but we really got 303 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 3: you know, both beating the boat and kind of made 304 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 3: it a full fledged deal at Ford them and really, 305 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 3: you know, people kind of assume that it has something 306 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 3: to do with throwing the ball, and in a way 307 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 3: it does. But to me, the run pass option or 308 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: adding tags is a way to neutralize defensive numbers because 309 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 3: to me, the run game comes down to three things. Numbers, angles, 310 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 3: and grass. We're the best numbers, we're the best angles 311 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 3: for your blockers, and how do you get your speed 312 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: into open space? And I think the thing with the 313 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 3: tags and the RPOs and post snapperings second and third 314 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 3: level defenders, it allows you to throw the ball if 315 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 3: the seventh or eighth defender is able to tackle the 316 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 3: ball care if you hand them off, and if he isn't, 317 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 3: you're able to hand the ball off and you're blocking 318 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 3: six for six or five for five. So I think 319 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: one of the that's one of the reasons. You know, 320 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: Sequah and Chase of Edmonds before that Fordham and even 321 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 3: going back to Jordan Todd and Denis Kennedy at Actor 322 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 3: and that we've had running backs we've either led the 323 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: league or been in the top two and rushing because 324 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: we don't hand the ball off to our backs when 325 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 3: there's people with the line of scrimmage we can't block. 326 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 2: What's the most difficult part of installing. 327 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 3: Installing? 328 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, just getting everybody on the same page with tags, 329 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 2: with you know, timing, with you know, overall understanding. 330 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: Well, for the offensive line, it's really not that big 331 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: of a deal because they hear the run play and 332 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 3: they block the run play. They could pair less with 333 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: the tag is you know, they have no idea what's 334 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 3: going on in the outside. I think probably the most 335 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say difficult, but time consuming aspect is the 336 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 3: quarterback known who's pre and post snap reeds are and 337 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 3: allowing him, you know, the leeway to differentiate that the 338 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: guy he's reading is playing to run, playing the past, 339 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: and whether he should hand it off or actually throw 340 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: the ball. I think that's one that comes with a 341 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: lot of repetition. But once it's installed, we keep doing 342 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: the same things over and over and over again, So 343 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:46,320 Speaker 3: there's a lot of repetition that that AIGs in that process. 344 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: Roughly, what percentage of the quarterbacks reads will he have 345 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 2: installed in year one? 346 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 3: In year one, I'd say he's going to have In 347 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: spring one, he won't have all of them. By the 348 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: time that we hit the season, through spring ball and 349 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 3: fall camp, he'll have he'll have all of them. Now, 350 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 3: I won't say it's to the sophistication or to the 351 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 3: degree that you know that we allow Trace to do 352 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 3: in year two with you know, Penn State because the 353 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 3: offense has grown. But you know, we're going to give 354 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 3: them the necessary information for spring, see how we do 355 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 3: with that, and then build on that in fall camp. 356 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: With all the quarterbacks, is there any particular position that 357 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 2: you have to recruit differently on offense or our numbers 358 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: that are different for what you want to run than 359 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,120 Speaker 2: than might be for different other systems or schemes or packages. 360 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: We don't recruit a fullback, so that'd probably be the one. 361 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 3: The one thing that's a little bit different. I mean, 362 00:17:39,920 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 3: we use our tight end in and off the ball capacity 363 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: and he kind of, you know, does some of the 364 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: job that inline tight end would do or some of 365 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: the things you know, because he's off the ball, he 366 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,160 Speaker 3: can split flow and do things like that. But from 367 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 3: just a purely quarterback, running back, tight end, wide receiver, 368 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 3: O line, you know, I don't think you're recruiting anybody differently. 369 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 3: You know, with Michael Gisiki and some of the things 370 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 3: that are tight end, does you know you want that 371 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 3: guy to be kind of a hybrid, you know, tight 372 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 3: end slash big receiver, because because you asked them to 373 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 3: do both things. So I'd say that's the one position 374 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: that's probably you know, a little bit more unique than others. 375 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 2: You mentioned some of the the RPO stuff evolved while 376 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: you were at Yukon, and I believe you overlapped with 377 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 2: both Todd Orlando and Don Brown. Is that correct? 378 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Todd I went to the same high school. So 379 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: Todd and I were there for our first two years 380 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 3: with with coach Edzel, and then I was with Donnie 381 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: our last year there. 382 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,120 Speaker 2: So that's that's a hell of a duo, a defensive 383 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 2: duo to be on a staff with in terms of, 384 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: you know, picking their brain and sort of seeing their 385 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: defenses and their minds as they are, you know, guys 386 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,120 Speaker 2: who are maybe not used to seeing on the other 387 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 2: side of the field, you know, tags and RPO stuff. 388 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 2: How did sort of overlapping help you in developing your offense? 389 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 3: No, those guys are two of the best in the business. 390 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: And Todd of Textas and Don at Michigan. You know, 391 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: they're guys that I have an immense amount of respect for. 392 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 3: And you know, I guess they say iron sharpends iron 393 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 3: and when you're going against those two guys every day 394 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 3: in practice for Carls bringing a fall camp, it certainly 395 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 3: prepares you for the rigors of the season because you 396 00:19:16,320 --> 00:19:18,119 Speaker 3: know those those are two of the best in the business. 397 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 2: Do you consult with them like I'm thinking about doing this? 398 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: Does this make sense? Could there be a defense that 399 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,639 Speaker 2: would be ready for X, Y or Z. 400 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: Not so much with Donnie for the last two years 401 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 3: since they put it on us. 402 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean at ukon you. 403 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, we certainly you know, you step in this the 404 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: defensive staff room, we're all the way around and say, hey, 405 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: we're running this how how would you attempt to defend it? 406 00:19:42,440 --> 00:19:45,199 Speaker 3: Or vice versa. We're going to run this flitz? How 407 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: would you guys try to pick it up? In the 408 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 3: six man protection? So those things go on in staffords 409 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 3: all across the country, you know, with you know, guys 410 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 3: that work well together, and ultimately it's about pulling a 411 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 3: rope in the same direction. 412 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 2: What have you seen from as you and you our 413 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 2: offenses have evolved and succeeded. What have you seen from 414 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 2: you know, really smart defensive coordinators, smart defenses in the 415 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 2: way that defenses have tried to evolve with you. 416 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 3: And that's what I love most about, you know, coordinating 417 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 3: offense and calling plays is the is the chess match. 418 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 3: You know, the chess match during the week is your 419 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,439 Speaker 3: game plan and then it's certainly on game day and 420 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 3: as offenses evolved, defenses continue to evolve. You know, some 421 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,879 Speaker 3: people start to try to play more man to man 422 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 3: because that takes the air out of the zone and 423 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: takes defenders out of conflict. Then offensively, you got to 424 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 3: have your answer for that. So I think it's it's uh, 425 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 3: it's just a it's a it's a great back and forth. 426 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 3: And you know it's like uh, you know, having a 427 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: h a vaccine to fight a virus. As offensively, we 428 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 3: want our streen to continue to mutate and stay one 429 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 3: step ahead of the defenses as they're trying to neutralize it. 430 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 2: Sure, and how much end game do you see that 431 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 2: uh able to happen? How much are you able to say, okay, 432 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 2: this is what they're doing. What if we tweak this 433 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: or is it a you know, at a certain point, 434 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 2: the game plan is the game plan, and you know, 435 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 2: the play is installed for that week, are what you have. 436 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 3: That's really what our offense is all about. And I 437 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,840 Speaker 3: think the simplicity of it allows us to enter a 438 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 3: game with a contingency plan of we're making this call 439 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 3: if they play this defense is this is what we 440 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 3: go to. So we kind of have that mapped out, 441 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: you know, during the week entering the game. Now, if 442 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 3: a defense presents something that we haven't seen at all, 443 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 3: or you know, there's a play based on a certain 444 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: technique or or a defensive look that's being presented, we 445 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 3: can you know, go back to what we call our 446 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: library and pick something maybe that we haven't you know 447 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 3: run during the week. And that happened a bunch of 448 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: times at Penn State and Foredom, But I think most 449 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: of that heavy lifting is done during the week where 450 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 3: we're running play X and if they do something else 451 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 3: and you know, we're checking the you know, WI or Z. 452 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite contingency play that you've called 453 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 2: over these past few years? 454 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: The wheel route to Sequan in the Big Ten Championship 455 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: game was was one that uh, you know, I look 456 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 3: back on and comes to mind immediately. That was a 457 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 3: play that wasn't in the original game plan and one 458 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 3: that we kind of just caught off the cuff and 459 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 3: got him matched on. You know, their outside linebacker, a 460 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 3: defensive end and a trace did a good job, you know, 461 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 3: putting the ball where I think it was one. I 462 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 3: think it was a wat kid where just he was 463 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: you know, kind of put it right there in the 464 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 3: back corner the end and that was what it kind 465 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 3: of sticks up? 466 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 2: Am I crazy for thinking the wheel route has a 467 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: one hundred percent success? 468 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: Right? 469 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: What is it about the wheel route that makes it 470 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,919 Speaker 2: the most perfect thing to watch as an outside observer. 471 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 3: That the kid that runs for three nine is running it? 472 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 3: So that's that kind of helps fair. 473 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: And now as you prepared to oversee the installation in Starkville, 474 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 2: have you have you discovered a specific learning curve like 475 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: a time it really takes things to click for kids, 476 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 2: like with you know, Penn State's offense almost flipping a switch, 477 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,400 Speaker 2: things seemed to completely click. I think it was during 478 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: the twenty sixteen Minnesota game. 479 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'll, it'll. I think we'll have a 480 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 3: good gauge on it through these fifteen spring opportunities. Uh, 481 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 3: you know, we take a week off here for spring break, 482 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: then we come back on the nineteenth. You know, we'll 483 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 3: have position meetings on the twenty four position meetings and 484 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 3: get out there and start practicing. And uh, you know, 485 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,200 Speaker 3: our assistant coaches have had time, have had meeting time 486 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 3: with our players CERNCA rule. You know, throughout the past 487 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 3: two months. We're able to get with them and talk 488 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 3: a little bit of scheme. So it's good that we're 489 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,879 Speaker 3: able to kind of get them some of that formation information. 490 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,199 Speaker 3: So they're not hearing it the first time in our 491 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: first spring meeting, so I think they've digested it very well. 492 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 3: I think there's a good understanding this style of football. 493 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 3: So I think we're going to hit the ground running 494 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,360 Speaker 3: on the twentieth. 495 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: So you're you're called a head coach, but in reality, 496 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 2: it seems you're you're sort of a head teacher. You know, 497 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 2: you're teaching your your staff, you're teaching players, and really 498 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 2: you're learning yourself as as things evolve. How how have 499 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 2: you evolved as a teacher over the years. 500 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, I think, well it was 501 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,640 Speaker 3: really beneficial to you know, in my time at Penn 502 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:11,640 Speaker 3: State to leave the head coaches chair and get back 503 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,919 Speaker 3: to being an assistant and it kind of gives you 504 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,960 Speaker 3: a fresh perspective of the things, and you know, the 505 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 3: saying I've heard is you know, assistant coaches make suggestions. 506 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,880 Speaker 3: Head coaches make decisions. So I went from decision maker 507 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 3: to suggestion maker. Now that I'm back in the seat, 508 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 3: and you know, between coach Shoot on defense and his staff, 509 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 3: they're gonna do a great job Coach Jones with our 510 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: special teams. I've hired a bunch of guys in our 511 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 3: offensive staff from Coach Gets he's the coordinator, coach Brianers, 512 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coach, Coach Haugh who was with me at 513 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 3: Penn State as the running backs coach, and guys who 514 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: are familiar with our scheme that you know you have 515 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: to give a certain level of autonomy to all three 516 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 3: phases in your coordinators. You know when you're gonna spend 517 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,920 Speaker 3: a bunch of time with one side of the ball. 518 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: So I think I think I'm very excited about the 519 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 3: staff to put together. 520 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: You tend to see that coaches who have had a 521 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,560 Speaker 2: a lot of success on offense have very strong thoughts 522 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 2: when running a defense when given the opportunity to hire 523 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator and to run a specific style of defense. 524 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: I guess is that true for you? And what are 525 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: your strong thoughts if they exist? 526 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 3: I mean, I've been familiar with Coach Shoot, you know, 527 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 3: since his time that you know, William Marriott, Manderbilt, Penn State, 528 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 3: and then we grew up kind of in the same 529 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 3: general area, but Coach Shoots a little bit older. But 530 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 3: what I want is all three phases of the game 531 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 3: to mirror each other from a philosophical standpoint, that we're 532 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 3: going to attack on offense, we're going to attack on defense, 533 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 3: and we're going to attack on special teams. In this 534 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 3: day and age, I think you have to be multiple, 535 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 3: whether it's four down, three down, where you're blitzing from 536 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: you know, second, third level, mixing up the coverages. You 537 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 3: can't just leave the picture of the same because, as 538 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 3: you mentioned earlier, the sophistication level of these offenses and 539 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 3: the ability to make a decision based on how the 540 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,640 Speaker 3: defense reacts, it's created a lot of challenges for defenses. 541 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 3: So I think what Coach Shup was doing fantastic because 542 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 3: you know, it's not just you know, staying static, lining 543 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 3: up for one thing and playing one defense. There's a 544 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: lot of pre and posts that movement. There's a lot 545 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: of mixing of coverages and pressures, and I think that's 546 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 3: what makes it challenging on an offense. And that's one 547 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 3: thing I look for, you know, in hiring a defensive 548 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 3: coordinator is what he does something that would give me 549 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 3: problems on a weekly basis in season? 550 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 2: What is the thing about coach Shup that you think 551 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 2: is the most problematic for offenses? 552 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: I think he's an one. I think he's a great teacher, 553 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:30,640 Speaker 3: and I think we have a bunch bunch of great 554 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 3: assistance on that side of the ball to motivate our 555 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 3: kids and get them going. But I think that the 556 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 3: multiplicity that what I would say is the uh, you know, 557 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 3: the biggest thing. 558 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 2: Do you ever and as you're mentioning, and we've mentioned 559 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 2: a few defensive coordinators and offenses that have been successful 560 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: around college football, do you ever come across in what 561 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: must be a pretty small community, do you ever come 562 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: across defensive coordinators who you've played and succeeded against who 563 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: have just been like. 564 00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: What the hell? 565 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 2: Many who are just like left asking for answers and 566 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: just feel defeated. 567 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 3: I think that goes for both sides. I mean the past. 568 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: You talk about going out of the frying pan and 569 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 3: into the fire, I mean leaving the Big ten East 570 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 3: and heading into the SEC West, You're talking about some 571 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: of the best defensive coordinators and best teams in the country. 572 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 3: So I think that's one thing where I've been very 573 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 3: fortunate the last two years. He talked about, you know, 574 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 3: Don bron Coach Allen and Indiana obviously coach Ciano, the 575 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,120 Speaker 3: coach D'Antonio and his staff. I mean, that's the best 576 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 3: of the best right there. And you know, I think 577 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,920 Speaker 3: we were fortunate to have a little bit of success 578 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 3: and you know, going to be able to hopefully carry 579 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 3: that over into the SEC. 580 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:47,360 Speaker 2: Is there a defensive coordinator you've coached against who you found, 581 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 2: you know, maybe somebody you haven't worked with, but somebody 582 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 2: who has been particularly unpredictable and how they approach defense 583 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,119 Speaker 2: that you just sort of admire from afar because of 584 00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 2: how good they are at either disguising or just being 585 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:01,719 Speaker 2: creative with their defenses. 586 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 3: I think, you know, Todd and Donnie Brown are too. 587 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: You know that we've mentioned already, but you know, in 588 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 3: the past, you know, two years, I think you know, 589 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 3: coach Allen in Indiana and Coachiano at Ohio State have 590 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,159 Speaker 3: been to have done a really good job with us. Uh, 591 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 3: you know, it's been a great chess match. And you know, 592 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 3: going back to the FCS stays there. I mean, there 593 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: are a bunch of you know, obviously it's it's a 594 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 3: different level when there's not as much publicity. But there's 595 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 3: a lot of you know, a lot of great coaches 596 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,399 Speaker 3: at that level. I mean, guys that really give you 597 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 3: a hard time with what they do. 598 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 2: Do you have a name that we will know in 599 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: like three years, maybe he's still at the FCS level, 600 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 2: but you sort of see him as as a rising 601 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 2: star either an offense or defense, just as like an 602 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 2: x's and o's mind. 603 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,840 Speaker 3: Xes in those minds, I mean the one the one 604 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: guy even though we have success from a statistical standpoint, Uh, 605 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 3: the name is slip in my mind right now. But 606 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 3: we played them two years in a row in the playoffs. 607 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 3: The defensive coordinator at Sacred Heart who was with coach 608 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: no free there, okay, I mean he just he just 609 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: did some unique stuff that that really, you know, was 610 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 3: problematic and it was in a lot of ways, you 611 00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: know how You know it was against Indiana that it 612 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 3: was either an explosive gain or a five yard loss 613 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 3: that there really was no in between, just because you 614 00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: were never really quite sure what was coming on any 615 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 3: given snap. 616 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 2: Have you watched tape from from SEC West coordinators? Obviously 617 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 2: there's a host of really good ones. Do you have 618 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 2: any early impressions of what you know these defenses are 619 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: going to try to do? 620 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? I haven't really delved into it with that level 621 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 3: of uh, you know, detail going through the games. I 622 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 3: was really watching our personnel more so, what went through 623 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: all the Mississippi State offensive games and defensive games, and 624 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 3: was really concentrating more on what our kids were doing 625 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 3: than than kind of evaluating scheme. And you know we'll 626 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,800 Speaker 3: be able to get to that down the road. Sure. 627 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 2: Fair enough and final and most important question, So your 628 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 2: Fordham grad a former Fordham head coach, what is this 629 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 2: single best thing to eat on Arthur Avenue in the Bronx. 630 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: I gotta go with dominics. I think that's the call there. 631 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 3: I mean, if you're not going pizza or hog or 632 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 3: something like that, if you're talking one sit down meal 633 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 3: at one place on Arthur Avenue, you gotta go dominics. 634 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 2: What's your order? 635 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,240 Speaker 3: It's no been, you know, prices, so it depends on 636 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 3: what day you go in there. So, uh, just about 637 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 3: anything that you get picked is going to be served 638 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 3: up pretty good any other looking farm guys. So when 639 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 3: all else fails, chicken palm boom, You're done. You can 640 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 3: just go with that. 641 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: I love that. 642 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 2: See that's sophisticated simplicity right there. 643 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 3: Exactly. 644 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 2: It's sophisticated because you you get what you get. But 645 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 2: at a certain point, you like, I just want chicken palm. 646 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: I like what else? 647 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's something. Yeah, you go in, there's 648 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 3: something piqued your interest, and you kind of want to 649 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 3: go off the rails a little bit going ahead with that. 650 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 3: But ultimately, at the end of the day, can't go 651 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 3: wrong with chicken parm. 652 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 2: And the best thing you've eaten in Starkville is. 653 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 3: Is there's a place called Little Dewey Barbecue here that 654 00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 3: that kind of has been the best place of a 655 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 3: bunch of Southern delicacies. But the Frog caf this year 656 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: has really been wherever you get it, it's been great 657 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 3: a I mean, it's been big time. 658 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: And you're ready to hit the road and start eating 659 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 2: a ton at the Houses of recruits. 660 00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 3: Oh, let me say this. I mean, I'm not exactly 661 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 3: the most swelt person in the world, but you know, 662 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 3: being an ext quarterback and now looking like a left tackle. 663 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 3: I mean, we got to start getting on a treadmill 664 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: or do something here because this food down here has 665 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 3: really been getting me in a good way. 666 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 2: Fair enough, Joe Morehead, head coach Mississippi State, thank you 667 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 2: very much for your time and good luck this year. 668 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: Very excited to check out the Bulldogs. 669 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. 670 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: Alrighty, Dan, there you go. Joe moorehead on the podcast. 671 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: Big thanks to him, best of luck to him in 672 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: his new role down there at Mississippi State coaches new 673 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: coaches have traditionally gotten a soliverbal bump in there first. 674 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: That is true. That is very true. So what is 675 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 2: your You are obviously completely unresearched and unprofessional at this point. 676 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 2: Opinion of the higher and your questions your confidences. I 677 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 2: have the schedule in front of me, so you don't 678 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: have to guess about any of those things. 679 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, But. 680 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: What is your general sense now that it's been he 681 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 2: was hired in late November, so it's been what almost 682 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:27,040 Speaker 2: four months since it was made official. What do you think? 683 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,959 Speaker 1: I think I like it in the same manner that 684 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: I liked the Dan Mullen higher, and we talked about 685 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: it a little bit on the podcast, but Dan Mullen 686 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: was regarded as someone who was brilliant, at least offensively 687 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: in terms of x's and o's, and aside of the 688 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: fact that he was a big name and an up 689 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: and coming coordinator, I think Mississippi State's mentality was that 690 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: we need to we need to look for an edge 691 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: however we can get it, and if we can bring 692 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: in a bright offensive mind who will stay here a while, 693 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: that could presumably lift the p and to some degree, 694 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I think he did that. I do think he succeeded there. 695 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 1: Morehead is a similar hire in that respect. He's an 696 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,040 Speaker 1: innovative guy. He's a very bright offensive mind, as you 697 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: could just hear from the interview. 698 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,000 Speaker 2: I would argue, still a really or at least pretty 699 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: good defensive coordinator, promising defensive coordinator Bob Shoop despite the 700 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 2: uneven time in Knoxville. 701 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely so, I think there is a lot of symmetry 702 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: with this hire as the last one with Dan Mullen. 703 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: My question is how he uses Nick Fitzgerald, because you'll 704 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: remember it wasn't until that Minnesota game of Morehead's first 705 00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: year in State College that things really started to turn around. 706 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 1: And I have gone back time and time again and 707 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: talked about how it correlates pretty closely to how they 708 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: used Trace McSorley, and he got a little bit moreactive 709 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,760 Speaker 1: with his legs and maybe he saw some more of 710 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 1: that RPO stuff coming into effect. Nick Fitzgerald will be 711 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: the engine that runs this whole thing. He's a senior, 712 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: he's an upper class and he's clearly the leader of 713 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: that team. He got hurt this year, but Nick Fitzgerald 714 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: now coming back running a Joe moorehead system. I expect 715 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,959 Speaker 1: everything to run through Fitzgerald and for Morehead to really 716 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: come up with something that suits his skill set. So 717 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: my prediction, if I can make one now, they will 718 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: knock off somebody just because they're going to have such 719 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: a bright mind running the offense where they're going to 720 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: create mismatches just based on Nick Fitzgerald alone. 721 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 2: Correct, there's a lot of good news about Mississippi State 722 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: football and this mixing of Joe moorehead. They should score points, 723 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 2: which if you're going to take over in an extremely 724 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 2: tough division, which the SEC West at least will be 725 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: in the next couple of years, Obviously there's some turnover 726 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,640 Speaker 2: at Arkansas, Texas A and m Ole Miss. You know, 727 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,600 Speaker 2: turning Matt Luke into the full time guy and taking 728 00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:53,239 Speaker 2: the interim tag off certainly is a change, but not 729 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 2: as much of a change as the other places. But 730 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 2: last year they didn't lose any dumb games, which is 731 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 2: I mean, it speaks the job Dan Mullen did and 732 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,439 Speaker 2: speaks to the job that the players did last year. 733 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: But you know, they get demolished by Georgia and Auburn, 734 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 2: which turns out pretty much everybody did. Those teams were 735 00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 2: great and both of playoff quality. They almost knock off 736 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 2: Alabama if not for some questionable decision making near the 737 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,400 Speaker 2: end of that game and being not as aggressive perhaps 738 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,760 Speaker 2: as they should have been. But at home, almost knocking 739 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: off the national champion and almost coming back without their 740 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,240 Speaker 2: starting quarterback in the Egg Bowl is enormous and beating, 741 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 2: you know, and scoring more than a talented Louisville team 742 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 2: led by Lamar Jackson is significant. Winning nine games in 743 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 2: Starkville is a big deal. Sustaining success like Dan Mullen 744 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 2: did in Starkville near the end of his tenure is 745 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 2: an enormous deal and shows that with good coaching and 746 00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 2: with buy in, Mississippi State will beat good teams, not 747 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 2: just not lose to bad ones, but they will knock 748 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: off and put themselves in position to beat great teams, 749 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 2: and they themselves be a really good team. So I 750 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,240 Speaker 2: think culturally it will be a change for Joe Morehead 751 00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,799 Speaker 2: in terms of recruiting, like he said, in terms of 752 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 2: just speaking the language and sort of understanding the rhythms 753 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,160 Speaker 2: of the SEC and Starkville. But beyond that, I think 754 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 2: he's a smart dude who gets by in I like 755 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 2: the hires he made. I think they'll continue the success 756 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 2: of evaluating three star types relatively locally well and sprinkling 757 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 2: it in with some blue chips like they've done in 758 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:28,080 Speaker 2: years past. So I am bullish on sustaining that eight seven, 759 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 2: nine an occasional maybe everybody's a senior and they have 760 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,759 Speaker 2: a transcending quarterback like Dak situation. I don't think there's 761 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 2: any reason to say they're going back to sometimes Bowl 762 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 2: sometimes not. 763 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, And the other thing that I think really needs 764 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: to be mentioned here, we can underscore it again, he 765 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: was a head coach previously. True, he was a head 766 00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 1: coach at forty. 767 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 2: In college football's most important conference. 768 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: Absolutely, so he's had a lot of those experiences that 769 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,920 Speaker 1: first time head coaches need to try and learn on 770 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,279 Speaker 1: the job. Joe moorehead's been there before, asked very organically 771 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 1: through the coaching ranks, took a bit of an unconventional 772 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,080 Speaker 1: route to get there, and you can read his story 773 00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: again on the internet. It's incredible. But after he found 774 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,359 Speaker 1: a way to get into the college game, really made 775 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,400 Speaker 1: the rounds through you know the acrons, the Yukon's Fordham 776 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: ended up at Penn State and now a Mississippi State. 777 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: So he's a guy with a lot of good coaching 778 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,279 Speaker 1: experience that he brings to the table here and I 779 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,759 Speaker 1: think it'll serve him very well. Now, different situation, the 780 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: SEC is certainly no picnic, but I'm excited to see 781 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: what kind of innovation he can now bring to Starkville. 782 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: Should be cool. 783 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,680 Speaker 2: So it's a rough middle of the season Florida Auburn 784 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: a bye week before they go to LSU, and then 785 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,320 Speaker 2: the week after coming to Starkville is Texas A and 786 00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 2: M and then Louisiana Tech not a walkover, and then 787 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 2: they go to Tuscaloosa. So I can't see how this 788 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 2: team does better in the regular season than they did 789 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: last year with the new staff and installing new systems 790 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 2: and back coming off of a pretty significant injury. But 791 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,080 Speaker 2: I think they'll be fun ty. I think they will 792 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: be in a position to win more often or much 793 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,400 Speaker 2: more often than not. 794 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: There you have it, Okay. Scheme theme again presented by 795 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: our good friends over at Oliver's Apparel. Oliver's Apparel fifteen 796 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,240 Speaker 1: percent off when you use the code solid at checkout. 797 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,319 Speaker 1: Please go check them out. They've been so supportive of 798 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: what we're doing here all throughout the month of March. 799 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 1: Thank you again to everyone who tuned in two shows 800 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: this week. A little bit extra on the verbal menu. 801 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for sticking with us. We will 802 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,400 Speaker 1: catch you all next week. Scheme theme rolls on, More Friends, 803 00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: more Football. We're excited to present it again all throughout 804 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 1: the month of March. For that guy over there, my 805 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:53,759 Speaker 1: good friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty Hildebrant, thanks again 806 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: for tuning into the show. At you all in week. 807 00:38:55,560 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 1: Stay solid peace, Chiens