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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern whitetail hunter and now your host, Mark Kenyon. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host, Mark Kenyan,

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Speaker 1: and this week on the show, I'm joined by Terry

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Speaker 1: Drewy to discuss his year's long journey dealing with buck fever,

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Speaker 1: target panic, and arrant shots and how he's overcome these

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Speaker 1: challenges to find deer hunting success. All right, welcome to

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Speaker 1: the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Life,

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Speaker 1: and today we are wrapping up shooting month all July,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking about how to become a more accurate

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Speaker 1: and effective shot at deer, so that or whatever year

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Speaker 1: this is that you're listening to, can be your best

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Speaker 1: shooting year at her At least that's my goal for myself.

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Speaker 1: I want this year to be my best shooting year ever.

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Speaker 1: I want good, clean, perfect shots. I don't want any questions.

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Speaker 1: I want to know exactly what happened. I want to

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Speaker 1: know I was in control and that I put that

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Speaker 1: arrow or that bullet where it's got to be. That's

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Speaker 1: my goal. And so over these past few weeks, I've

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Speaker 1: been talking all sorts of folks about how they do that.

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Speaker 1: Some of the very best out there, some of the

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Speaker 1: best Archer's, best gun hunters, best bow hunters, folks like

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Speaker 1: Taylor Chamberlayne, Spencer new Hearth, Jordan's Siller's, Randy Almer, and

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Speaker 1: this some really good stuff from guys who get it done.

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Speaker 1: But I also thought it could be useful to learn

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Speaker 1: and to hear from someone who has struggled, right because

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Speaker 1: I struggle. I bet you've had struggles to whether that

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Speaker 1: be with target panic or buck fever or whatever way

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Speaker 1: How do we deal with that? How do we deal

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Speaker 1: with the tough times? How do we deal with the

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Speaker 1: pressure and anxiety that comes from having a few bad

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Speaker 1: hits or a miss? How do we move on from

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Speaker 1: that and get better? I wanted to talk to someone

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Speaker 1: who has really dealt with that and dealt with it

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Speaker 1: in a big way and in a public way. And

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Speaker 1: the best person I could think of was Mr Terry Drewy,

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Speaker 1: one of the co founders of Drewy Outdoors, an incredible

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Speaker 1: deer hunter, a great guy, but someone who has, you know, publicly,

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Speaker 1: you know, shown some of his mishaps. He's had plenty

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Speaker 1: of misses and bad hits and things like that along

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Speaker 1: the way that we've all been able to see on

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Speaker 1: there are many many different shows and videos and films

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Speaker 1: over the years. He's someone who has had to publicly

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Speaker 1: deal with that and figure it out and get better

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Speaker 1: and keep going. And I think there's a lot we

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Speaker 1: can learn from him. And that's what we wanted to

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Speaker 1: discuss today. And Terry was gracious enough find enough open

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Speaker 1: enough to be willing to discuss this, Discuss some tough times,

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Speaker 1: discuss some tough situations and how he's pushed through it

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Speaker 1: and how he's gotten better. So if you have ever

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Speaker 1: dealt with target, panic, with bad shots, with buck fever,

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Speaker 1: with I don't know what you want to call it,

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Speaker 1: but if you've ever struggled, I think you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to relate to Terry, and I think you'll be able

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Speaker 1: to learn something from this one. So I'm excited for

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Speaker 1: you to listen, and I really do help that's going

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Speaker 1: to help you out. So that's what's in store. I

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Speaker 1: want to give you a couple of quick reminders though,

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Speaker 1: before we get into this. Uh Number one, remember I

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Speaker 1: told you guys last week that I'm coming up with weekly, sorry,

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Speaker 1: monthly gear recommendations from the Meat Eater store. I've got

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Speaker 1: those right now if you head to the wired hunt website.

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Speaker 1: You can just go to wired hunt dot com or

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Speaker 1: go to the meat Eater and navigate to the wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt website. There you'll see my four shooting month recommendations.

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Speaker 1: You've got to recommended target, recommended shirt for summertime shooting

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Speaker 1: and scouting, all that, uh, recommended shooting bags if you're

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Speaker 1: firearm here soon. And then finally, the Vortex Impact one

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Speaker 1: thousand is fift off on our store right now. That

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Speaker 1: was one of my recommendations too, so be sure to

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Speaker 1: check that out. I'll continue throwing up some different ideas

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Speaker 1: over the course of the season, uh, something that might

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Speaker 1: be helpful if you're in the market for any of

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Speaker 1: those things. So that is one reminder. The other thing

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Speaker 1: heading over to Instagram and follow me at wired hunt

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Speaker 1: if you want to see what's going on in my world.

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Speaker 1: Because I really start doubling down on preparations for this

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Speaker 1: upcoming white tail season and I've even started TikTok. I

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Speaker 1: so I'm gonna be posting more on there as well.

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Speaker 1: So if you are a TikTok or look for Mark

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Speaker 1: Kenyon on there and you will be able to follow

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Speaker 1: along with some of my video exploits that I'll be

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Speaker 1: sharing this coming season two. So holy smokes, guys, it's

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Speaker 1: almost the end of summer hunting seasons almost here. So

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Speaker 1: I really hope you're out there shooting, and I hope

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Speaker 1: do that. So without further ado, let's get into it

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Speaker 1: Terry Drewy himself. Terry, welcome back. Well, thank you, Mark.

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Speaker 1: I always enjoy this. You and I don't get to

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Speaker 1: catch up near often enough, so I'm looking forward to

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Speaker 1: because we're we're in the midst of shooting month here

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Speaker 1: publicly what's gone right, what's gone wrong, And coming out

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Speaker 1: And you tell me if I'm right about this, But

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Speaker 1: that Is that an accurate assessment? You know why it

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Speaker 1: they are. You're looking at that window, and then I'm

430
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 1: always looking at the off leg always, because the off

431
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: leg will tell you if they're slightly quattering too, or

432
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: they're slightly quattering away. Sometimes you get lost in the

433
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: shuffle or you can't see the farest through the trees

434
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: because your eyes roll back in your head, particularly if

435
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 1: if it's a big buck with a big rack sitting

436
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: on his head and you lose track of where his

437
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: shoulders are at. So watch for that off shoulder in

438
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,200
Speaker 1: lieu of the on shoulder, and that will always tell

439
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 1: you if he's quartering two or quartering away. What about

440
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 1: I know you mentioned, you know, working through target panic

441
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 1: and learning to hold on without firing the arrow, But

442
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,400
Speaker 1: what about just simple buck fever and nerves? Uh? Does that?

443
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: Do you? Do? You still get impacted with that kind

444
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: of thing? Absolutely? Absolutely? I get his rattled on a

445
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: dough an adult dough as I do a buck. I

446
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,159
Speaker 1: don't know why, but I just do because I know

447
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: I'm gonna killer. I guess number one. But I still

448
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 1: get extremely nervous on on an adult dough and in

449
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,639
Speaker 1: the same way with a buck, And I guess the

450
00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 1: day I lose, that will be the day I quit. Uh,

451
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: we're a little better now, and the fact with with

452
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 1: you know, trail cameras and the way they've advanced. Obviously,

453
00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't know that we've ever shot a deer here

454
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 1: on my farm that we didn't know. But sometimes if

455
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 1: you know him, it's a little worse than if you

456
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 1: didn't know him. You know, you get you still get rattled,

457
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: particularly if you if you had an idea who it

458
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,639
Speaker 1: was and you've been hunting four or five years and

459
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,320
Speaker 1: you're finally going to get an opportunity. The last thing

460
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 1: you want to do is screw it up. So that's

461
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 1: always that's always an issue. You know, I'm gonna I'm

462
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna back up one second on a deer. You you

463
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 1: mentioned a deer and I didn't. I didn't release an

464
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,360
Speaker 1: arrow at this year, but it's one I will never

465
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: ever get back. And it was a monster up on

466
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: Marx Farm in Iowa. Was both hunting up there and

467
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: uh it was baby G and H and deer ended

468
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: up the neighbor ended up killing him. But I came

469
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 1: to full draw on him and I couldn't at that time.

470
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: I didn't have lighted pins. I couldn't see, and uh,

471
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: I got within like thirty and then he got seven

472
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 1: and then and to make a long story sharp, I

473
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,159
Speaker 1: came to full draw twice on him. I came to

474
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: full draw, I couldn't see my pins. I let down.

475
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: I pulled back again, trying to find and I took

476
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: my pins above his back, trying to come back down

477
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 1: and see his vitals. And I just couldn't do it.

478
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't see him, and it wasn't all that dark,

479
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: but it was dark enough. I could not put a

480
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: pin on him exactly for yardage and so on and

481
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: so forth, so I had to let him walk away.

482
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: I never released an arrow, but that was one I

483
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,600
Speaker 1: would I would love to have back. Now, when you

484
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,680
Speaker 1: look at that one, though, do you what's your takeaway

485
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: lesson from that? Do you look at that as like, oh,

486
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: that was I should have found a way to take

487
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: that shot, or as part of you glad you didn't

488
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 1: because it might have resulted in a bad shot because

489
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 1: of the bad lighting. Well, I will say this, it's

490
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 1: the perils of filming and having having a cameraman with you.

491
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 1: We weren't communicating real well, and I wasn't certain whether

492
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: he could see him and when he was on him,

493
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: and this, that and the other. So I was literally

494
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: turning around and say, Ryan, you got to tell me,

495
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: are you on this deer or not? So I was

496
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: more worried about the footage, and I should have been

497
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: worried about killing the deer in all reality, So I

498
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 1: kind of let him get in and get out by

499
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: worrying whether or not he had the footage of the deer.

500
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,480
Speaker 1: Come to find out, he had him full frame. But

501
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 1: I wish he'd have said something like I'm on him.

502
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 1: So if I'd have known that he was on him,

503
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: the outcome may have been different. But I can't say

504
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: that for sure. But um, I can't help but think

505
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 1: if all I was worried about was killing him, a

506
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: pretty good chance i'd have got an arrow in him,

507
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: you know, because I would have just concentrated a little harder.

508
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I've had a little more time to get the pins

509
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: above his back and bring it down into his vitals,

510
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 1: and this, that and the other thing. But there was

511
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: more to it than just him. It brings up, though,

512
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: an important topic. I think, at least something I've found

513
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: and you alluded to this already, but just how much

514
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 1: build up there is to these encounters and so much

515
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: pressure we put on ourselves because we want this deer

516
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 1: so bad, whether it's because we've hunted this same buck

517
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 1: for four years or just because we we have worked

518
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 1: so hard this summer and fall and we've sat fifteen

519
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: straight days or whatever it is. When that opportunity finally

520
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 1: does come, it seems it seems like life or death

521
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 1: for you, like you have to get this shot. At

522
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: least that's how it felt for me. I've had moments

523
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: where it seems like I've given every single ounce of energy, blood, sweat,

524
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: and tears to get to this moment, and then here's

525
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 1: this buck coming in. And you know, there's one story

526
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: I can think of from two or three years ago,

527
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: maybe two years ago, where the buck had have been

528
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: after for three years. You know, finally it's coming into

529
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: bow range, but he's back in this brush and I'm

530
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: trying to find some little hole, and I've realized that

531
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 1: if I kind of half kneeled down, there's like a

532
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: softball size hole, and I'm leaning over and bending down,

533
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: and in that crazy high stakes moment, it seemed to

534
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 1: my head that I had to try. And then you know,

535
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: right afterwards, I forced this horrible shop and missed the buck.

536
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: And then after that you realize, you know, what a

537
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 1: stupid thing to do. Um, why would I have done that?

538
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: It could have been worse. I could have wounded him,

539
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: I could have never found him. Um, so at least

540
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 1: I missed. But have you ever had situations like that too,

541
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 1: where you force something because of that high pressure and

542
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: then you realize, wow, you know it would have been

543
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,719
Speaker 1: so much better to just hold onto that arrow because

544
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: of how much how how bad end up getting or

545
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: how much worse it could have been. Or is that

546
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: a thing you've dealt with too? Yes? And I would

547
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: say that earlier in our career we probably forced some

548
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: errand shots that we should never have taken. And I

549
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: think some of that comes with experience, Meaning if you're

550
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: a novice archer, it's easy to make those mistakes and

551
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 1: wish that you had and you always you can never

552
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: get the arrow back. But boy, when you when you

553
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 1: let it go, you go, oh my god, why did

554
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: I do? Why did I shoot there? That was so stupid.

555
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: And I think as an ovous hunter, it's easy to

556
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: do that, and experience will will sometimes rectify that or

557
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: cure that. But it takes a lot of archery shots

558
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: and a lot of deer on the ground to get

559
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 1: to get past that, and experience sure makes a difference.

560
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: But yes, in answer to question, we certainly have done that.

561
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 1: The big deer that I was talking about, while it

562
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: goes to clarify that number one, I was hunting on

563
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: Mark's farm and I knew the deer. I knew exactly

564
00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: who he was, and I knew how big he was,

565
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: and I just didn't want to screw it up or anything.

566
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to make sure that if I released an

567
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: arrow at this year, he was dead. That was my

568
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,120
Speaker 1: number one concern was making sure that I killed him.

569
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: And you know, when we when I wanted to talk

570
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: to the camera guy and I said, if you're on him,

571
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: you need to tell me or you on him or not.

572
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 1: You know, I was turned around looking at him, and

573
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,400
Speaker 1: I let you get in on us. Make a scrape,

574
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 1: and the footage is really good. I just wish he'd

575
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: communicated a little sooner, and and I wasn't about to

576
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: screw it up. So I literally let him, let him

577
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: get his butt to me, and just walk dead away.

578
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: And I never never released an arrow, But that was

579
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: one that I wish I could have back, but one

580
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: I can say I was proud I didn't. I didn't

581
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: mess it up either. You know. Yeah, that seems like,

582
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: like you said, one of those kinds of realizations that

583
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: probably comes with time and experience, that realizing sometimes the

584
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: best shot is the shot never taken. Um. It's a

585
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: hard pill to swallow, I imagine in a lot of cases,

586
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: but sometimes it's the right call. Um I had. I

587
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: had one guy, a buddy of ours, it just happens

588
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: to be a PBR bull rider, and he called me

589
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: and literally tongue lashed me over the phone, saying, what

590
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: were you thinking? Why didn't you shoot that deer? You know,

591
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: after he saw the footage, he is really all over me.

592
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: So I probably should have. I could have. I still

593
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: should have maybe, But you know, I don't know if

594
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 1: one of those damned if you do, damned if you don't.

595
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: Kind of thing. So so back to being you know

596
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: in that shot sequence, Um you mentioned you still get rattled,

597
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: you still get excited. Um, what do you do now

598
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: to try to control that? How do you try to

599
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: control buck fever? Like in the field? Is it talking

600
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: to yourself breathing? Is there is there any little trick

601
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: or method you have to try to center yourself, calm yourself,

602
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: get control of yourself in that moment. I truly believe

603
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: at late season in early season, those two where you

604
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: know the deer are going to be moving a little

605
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: bit slower kind of helps that process because you've got

606
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: a little more time to lay an eyeball on them,

607
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 1: You've got a little more time to process the shot,

608
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: You've got a little more time to settle in when

609
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: they're not running rampant through the timber like you might

610
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: see during the rut. So I think given the time

611
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: to settle down and settle calm your nerves just a

612
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: little bit, and breathe if you will. A lot of

613
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: the baseball players all say that you've got to breathe.

614
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: You know, Jim Tolmy one of the greatest home run

615
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: hinters of all time. It is tremendous at settling in

616
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 1: and settling down and preparing for a shot. But he's

617
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 1: been on some of the biggest stages, you know, throughout

618
00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: his career. And that's what majority of those guys will

619
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: tell you. It's it's just take time to breathe now

620
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: easier said than done. You might be breathing at five

621
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: beats a minute, you know. But and some guys may

622
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: never get over it. I've seen them all, And I

623
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: mean we've watched some really really a good big buck

624
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: hunters that that can make that shot with nerves of

625
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: steel and ice water in your veins and then fall

626
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: apart after the shot, you know. So I wished I

627
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: had that ability. I would much rather have ice water

628
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: in my veins and fall apart after the shot than

629
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 1: fall apart before the shot. Yeah, for sure. So when

630
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: you when a shot goes bad for you now right,

631
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: I know, like you dealt with a series of really

632
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: really significant struggles, but I know stuff still has gone

633
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 1: wrong in more recent years. What's is there any common

634
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: um common factor nowadays? If, for example, I remember there's

635
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: a hunt a few years ago that buck dangerous calling,

636
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: Is there any kind of thing you can point your

637
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 1: finger to now, like if something goes wrong. It's this

638
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: kind of thing these days. Is it random one off

639
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: things or is it a buck fever moments? Still, what

640
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: what's your situation today? I guess is what I'm getting at.

641
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: You know, that one's a really really good point, And

642
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I was hunting there too. I

643
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: was hunting on Mark's farm and I was in a

644
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: blind that I had never sat before, and I wasn't

645
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: comfortable sitting down or standing up. There was no in between,

646
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 1: nor could I kneel down and get over the window.

647
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: So there was one instance where everybody kind of you know,

648
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: gives you a hard time about hunting out of a blind.

649
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: It's not easy shooting through a window. It just isn't.

650
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 1: Anybody that thinks it is needs to cut a hole

651
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: in a in a cardboard box and try shooting through

652
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: it at different different positions. It just isn't that easy.

653
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: So I wished i'd have been a little more prepared

654
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and went into that blind sooner and figured out how

655
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: high I needed to be or how low I needed

656
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: to be. And it was partially from being my fault

657
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: for not being prepared. So I was in between. I

658
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: was crouching and you know, trying to make sure that

659
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: I didn't hit a window with a fletching or hit

660
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: it with your other thing you gotta worry about is

661
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: hitting it with your limbs, on your bow or your cam.

662
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: And I was in a really really awkward position. I

663
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: wish I could do that one over again as well.

664
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: It was just uh, not being prepared and either standing up,

665
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: sitting down, or kneeling down if there was no I

666
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 1: was in between all of that. I was crouched halfway

667
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: down and had a terrible anchor terrible anchor point. You

668
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: might draw a flat but when you're crouching halfway down

669
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 1: and you're you know, it just wasn't I didn't feel good.

670
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: I should probably have never taken the shot. Yeah, it

671
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: looked like a tough situation. Um so, so then tell

672
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: me this, how do you handle the moments or in

673
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: some cases, the days after a bad situation like that?

674
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,239
Speaker 1: Because I know some people will miss a deer and

675
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: then you know, it breaks them and for days they're

676
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: so bummed out about it, or they hit a deer

677
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: and they can't recover it and they want to they're

678
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 1: done for the year, or they're depressed for a week.

679
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: How do you handle those situations, How do you get

680
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: yourself out of it? How do you get your head

681
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: right again? That's one of the toughest things on the

682
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: planet as an archer. I'll be honest you and I

683
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: don't know that you ever truly get over those because

684
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: we talked about pride and ego, and your your ego

685
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: is hurt, itself inflicted and the only person you could

686
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: blame is yourself. And man, oh man, those are really

687
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 1: really tough pills to swallow, and I don't know that

688
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,240
Speaker 1: you ever truly get over it. Here we are talking about,

689
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 1: you know, the hunts that happened decades ago. So it's

690
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: it's one of those things you never quite get over.

691
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: You always want to improve, and as an ethical archer

692
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: or an ethical firearms hunter, you want to make the

693
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 1: perfect shot each and every time, and the last thing

694
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: you want to do is injured deer. I mean, it's

695
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,359
Speaker 1: I don't know, I I some of you just never

696
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: get over. But it's the old adage. You've got to

697
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: get back on the horse and ride it. But you

698
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: tuck that away in your mind and you go, how

699
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: can I learn from it? How can I improve? How

700
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: can I be a better hunter? How can I be

701
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: a better shot? And what do I need to go through?

702
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 1: What steps? What regimen do I need to go through

703
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: to make sure that doesn't happen again? And that's the

704
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 1: only or the best advice I can give is to say,

705
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: get back on the horse and and play that that

706
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: scenario over in your mind, over and over and over.

707
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: How do I fix it? How can I get better? Yeah?

708
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: Do you have any and I guess filming helps with this,

709
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: but have you have you learned anything or do you

710
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: have any process for kind of analyzing a shot, like

711
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: diagnosing what went wrong? Because that for me, it's always

712
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: been so hard to look back and try to identify,

713
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: you know, where did I go wrong? Especially since in

714
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: many of these cases I guess, I guess I do

715
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: know where it went wrong because I was rushing and

716
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 1: rushing so much that I can't remember where the problem was.

717
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: But but but for you, how do you go about

718
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: trying to analyze what happened? Here? Where is my mistake?

719
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: How do I get better? Like? What does that look like?

720
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: In the details? For you? You know, as readily available

721
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: as you can lay something down on your phone nowadays,

722
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: the best scenario you can possibly give yourself is to

723
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: film yourself shooting out in your backyard and go through

724
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: the motions and just see or have someone film you.

725
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: But that is probably the best advice I can give.

726
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: And we do have the luxury of having a cameraman,

727
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: uh so we can SlowMo and watch every single thing.

728
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't anchor correctly, or you know what I

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: didn't Uh I didn't follow through, or oh I dropped

730
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: my bow arm. You know, oftentimes the deer so close

731
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: that you think it's a chip shot. First thing you

732
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,719
Speaker 1: do is releasing. You're looking before the arrows barely out

733
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: of the you know, at the riser, so it's easy

734
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: to drop your bo arm and not follow through. So

735
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: you know, obviously practice makes perfect. Pete Shepley with PSC

736
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: used to say, you know, that's an adage, he goes,

737
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: I like to say perfect practice makes perfect shooting. So

738
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: being able to analyze your shot out in your backyard

739
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: or on your driveway is one of the best ways

740
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: to analyze it and look at it in SloMo and say,

741
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: dog on, I'm I'm really not following through or I'm

742
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: really not anchoring the same way that I should be

743
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: each and every time, or I'm dropping my ball arms

744
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: something terrible, you know. So I do believe that practice

745
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: and practice perfect makes the right shot each and every time.

746
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: But it's easy to say that it's a whole another

747
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 1: thing when you get in a tree stand and I

748
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: think that training your body, that regiment that you go through,

749
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: you're gonna let some of that that instinctive shooting if

750
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 1: you will, because your your body is going to take

751
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: over that muscle memory. You know, if you do it

752
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: enough times and you're repetitious about it, and you do

753
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: it the exact same way over and over and over

754
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: and over and over, in the heat of the moment,

755
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: your body is gonna take over. Oftentimes, the last thing

756
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 1: you want to do is pick up your bowl a

757
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: week before the season and go out there and try

758
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: and shoot a deer. I mean, it takes months of

759
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: practice so that your muscle memory takes over in the

760
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: heat of the moment. Yeah, what does that perfect practice

761
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: look like for you? Like, what, what's the most important

762
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: things you're doing? How much? How often is there anything

763
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: unique that you add to that practice regiment to really

764
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 1: simulate real world scenarrows or anything that well. I kind

765
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: of touched on this briefly earlier before we went on

766
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: air here. But I'm a left handed shooter, but so

767
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: I have to work two or three times harder than

768
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:11,760
Speaker 1: everyone else to make a good shot. So no matter

769
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: how many millions of rounds I may put through a bow,

770
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: I'm never ever ever going to be a tremendous archer.

771
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: I just I'm not unless I unless I go back

772
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: to shooting right handed. I started forty years ago shooting

773
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,399
Speaker 1: right handed, and I probably should have stayed that way

774
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: because I'm right eye dominant. But I played baseball, I

775
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: played football, on golf and everything else I did left handed,

776
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: and I right left handed, So I became a left

777
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: handed archer, and I shoot left handed. And I've never

778
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: ever shot a left handed gun. They're all right handed

779
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: guns the way they discharge if it's an automatic. But

780
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: I've never ever shot a left handed firearms. But I

781
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: shoot left handed. I right left handed. Everything I do

782
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: is a left handed So, to make a long story, shart,

783
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: I practiced two and three times longer harder than probably

784
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: everyone else has to because it's the wrong eyeball are

785
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 1: the wrong set of hands, ever you want to look

786
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: at it. So I have that regiment that regiment that

787
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: I go through is I try to make sure that

788
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 1: that I draw a flat I'm trying to make sure

789
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: that I anchor the exact same spot each and every time.

790
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: I try to make sure that I don't drop my

791
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: bow arm. And then I may start with some bigger,

792
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: some bigger you know, maybe uh not great fruit, but

793
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: baseball size. Early season, I'll go plunk, you know, a

794
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: dozen arrows, you know, And I start out with a

795
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: little bit bigger pattern in the beginning, you know, in

796
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: June and July, and then as the season gets closer,

797
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 1: and I start one to two times a week, and

798
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: then and then I'll go to three times a week

799
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 1: in July, and then I start shooting every day in August,

800
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: and then twice a day in the latter part of

801
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: August and September morning and evening. So I refine that shooting,

802
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and I want that repetition to take over. Like I mentioned,

803
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,760
Speaker 1: but I go from those bigger targets in the beginning

804
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 1: of the summer to a dime or something a little smaller,

805
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: you know, dime, tenning quarter, and try to try to

806
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 1: hone that in so that you're so that your group

807
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: is much more consistent and it's much much tighter as

808
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: the season gets closer. And then again, the repetition is

809
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: is a big part of it, but is shooting flat

810
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: anchoring the same way and not dropping your bow arm

811
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: and settling in counting one thousand one, one thousand two

812
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: and the old figure eight. You know that you go through,

813
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: it's it. There's something to that, you know when you

814
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: look at it, and you're looking at that target. So

815
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: taking it to a smaller target is really really helpful

816
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 1: as far as trying to refine your your group. When

817
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: you say the figure eight, are you just talking about

818
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: floating your pen on the target or what do you

819
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: mean by that? Yes, I I really have trouble keeping

820
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: it on one spot for longer than a second or two.

821
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: I find myself doing that figure eight. So uh, knowing

822
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: when to release, I think is a big big part

823
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: of it now. And I know those professional archers may

824
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: all have different a different way of doing it. You

825
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: know those guys that can shoot at a hundred yards

826
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 1: and and hit a quarter each time, By and Chris

827
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: and don't know the guys, they're they're ridiculous. I mean,

828
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: they're they're an anomaly. When you think about it, and

829
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: you watch him, you go, oh my god, I wish

830
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: I could shoot like that. Well, uh, not everybody can.

831
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: It's just that simple. I don't care how long you

832
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: practice or how hard you practice. You can become a

833
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: better shot, and you can become very, very proficient at it.

834
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: But shooting like those guys, that's that's just unlike anything

835
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: I've ever watched. Watching those guys, you know, that brings

836
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: up an interesting question then, because you're right, there's there's

837
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: some people that can shoot crazy far and insanely accurately.

838
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: And those people usually, you know, get a lot of

839
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: press and a lot of people talk about him, and

840
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: it's and it's easy to see that and think, well, jeez,

841
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: if that guy is doing this, then I should be

842
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: able to shoot at seventy or I should be able

843
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: to go out on my western trip and shoot a

844
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: prong horn at eighty five. Or gosh, I saw Lee

845
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 1: Lakowski plug that buck at sixty five yards in this

846
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: food plot. So when I've got my biggest buck ever

847
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,359
Speaker 1: at sixty five yards out in front of me, yeah,

848
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: I could. I should do that. I gotta believe there's

849
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: some folks that see that kind of thing. And then

850
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: assume that, well, that's what I should be doing too.

851
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: How how do you terry go about or how did

852
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: you go about figuring out your own personal limits? How

853
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: did you figure out what was the right kind of

854
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: shot for you to take the right maximum range? How

855
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: do you figure that out? How do you go through that?

856
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,720
Speaker 1: Because I think that's an important part of this whole equation.

857
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: I do. I would agree with you there. I think

858
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: knowing your roundhouse and that's what I call it, that

859
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: that dead zone where if they get within that perimeter,

860
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: you know they're dead. And I think confidence has a

861
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: lot to do with that. You're shooting confidence and you're

862
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: shooting ability. Is is important. And recognizing that, which is

863
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: the question you're asking, and being fine with that with

864
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: yourself and saying my confidence level is thirty yards and under,

865
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: or my confidence level is forty yards and under. You

866
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: have to be disciplined enough to say, you know what

867
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: he might be at fifty six, I'm just not going

868
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: to take that shot. I'm gonna I'm gonna work on

869
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: him tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow is another day. We'll get another

870
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: opportunity and you may never see him again. But having

871
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 1: the discipline and being a good sportsman and a good

872
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: woodsman and being ethical with your shooting is number one.

873
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: It really is. And being being that person, and I

874
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: know it takes a while. I think it takes years

875
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: of experience and years of screwing up to say, you

876
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just not that good at at sixty yards.

877
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: I'm just not so I'm not gonna try it out

878
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: of respect for the animal. And I think that's first

879
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: and foremost is respect for the quarry that you seek.

880
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: And we wrote that in our catalogs thirty five years ago.

881
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 1: Respect the quarry that you seek. And if you respect

882
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: that animal in the game enough to say, I'll try

883
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: him on my church tomorrow. You know, we're playing his

884
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: game today and he won. He didn't get close enough.

885
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm gonna try him and get tomorrow.

886
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do a little different. I'm gonna change

887
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: up a little bit. I'm gonna move in on him.

888
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, you know, play the wind a little different.

889
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ut him in the morning instead of evening

890
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: or whatever it may be. I think respect is number one.

891
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920
Speaker 1: And and knowing what your safe zone is, knowing what

892
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: your dead zone is and the confidence in your shooting ability.

893
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: If you're not confident at sixty, just don't take it.

894
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Don't take that shot. Yeah, like you said earlier, you

895
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: can never get an narrow back. And boy does it

896
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 1: hurt when you release it and you see it going

897
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 1: the wrong way or going under him, going over him,

898
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: or hit him in the in the tail or in

899
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: the guts or something. You go, oh my god, what

900
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: was I thinking? You know, it's the worst feeling in

901
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: the world, highest of highs and the lowest of blows.

902
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: And we've all been there. You just described it a

903
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,320
Speaker 1: little while ago with that dear you were trying to

904
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: wake one through there, you know, Yeah, it's the roller coaster. Serious. Um,

905
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,080
Speaker 1: Back to practice a second. You talked about how you

906
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: kind of scale up your practice regiment through like this

907
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: early summer and into the beginning of the season. But

908
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 1: what about in season practice do you do? Do you

909
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: do much shooting throughout the season? What does that look like?

910
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing that I've al is thought to myself,

911
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: I need to do more of But I always have

912
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: struggled with sticking to it consistently and doing it enough

913
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: amidst the chaos of the actual hunts. What's that look

914
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: like for you? Shoot every day? We shoot every single

915
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: day throughout the season, and and if I miss a

916
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: day or two, I know it. I can tell it immediately,

917
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: you know, because you don't get but one. Typically you

918
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: get one shot, so you it better be a good

919
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: one when you release it. So we we shoot every day,

920
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: try to stay sharp so that when you get into

921
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: a tree stand, or you get into a blind, a

922
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: ground blind and elevated blind, whatever it may be, when

923
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: you get in there it's your fourth or fifth shot

924
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: that day, or six shots, meaning you've taken one to

925
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: three and four and you got dialed in and go damn,

926
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm ready, and then you you know that that next

927
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: one is gonna be a good one. And I stay

928
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: in sharp every day, keeping that muscle memory, keeping that

929
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: anchor point, making sure you're not dropping your bow arm.

930
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: All those things are so important. And we shoot every

931
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: single day throughout the season. So what's that look like

932
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: on I don't let's say No. Member seventh or something,

933
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: when maybe let's say you're playing hunting all day, how

934
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: do you where do you and how do you slip

935
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: slip in that little bit of shooting and is it

936
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: is it like you said, like a couple of arrows,

937
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: or do you try to get in twenty minutes or

938
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: what does that actually look like? Mine's usually three or four.

939
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: Three or four arrows is all I shoot. But it's

940
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 1: every single day. And if I got to do it

941
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: at night in the barn with the lights on at

942
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: ten yards, that's fine, you know, or fifteen yards, whatever

943
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: it may be. But typically it's mid day if we

944
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: come in and grab a sandwich or something. If it's

945
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: if it's early season, it's every day. You know, you

946
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 1: got all morning or whatever. Unless the moon's right. We

947
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 1: may go hunt in some morning hunts, but we'll squeeze

948
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 1: it in there wherever the time will permit. If we

949
00:46:42,080 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: come in and grab a sandwich, you make plump an

950
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: arrow or two before you go back out. But early season,

951
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: it's usually in the mornings, will stand out in the

952
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: driveway there and plunk. Sometimes it's ten or twelve arrows,

953
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: but usually it's three or four. If i'm if we

954
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: know we're ready by the time the season gets here,

955
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,439
Speaker 1: then it's three or four arrows. If we're not ready,

956
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 1: then at twelve, the fifteen, maybe twenty, you know, but

957
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 1: you like to hope that you're ready when a season hits.

958
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: So we will squeeze it in there wherever we can

959
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: throughout the day, and then you know when a firearms

960
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: seasons start kicking in, when Missouri's firearm season starts to

961
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: roll around. Because we're partners with Winchester ammunition, partners with

962
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: Winchester firearms, uh, partners with Traditions muzzleloaders, you know, you've

963
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: got to be prepared for that end of things as well.

964
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: So the archery tackle kind of gets put to the

965
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: side for a little while and then you start picking

966
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: up the firearms. So it's easy to forget about it

967
00:47:33,600 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: there for for a moment. So if you do drop

968
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: off and you don't shoot for a couple of weeks,

969
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: then it takes a little bit longer because it's it's

970
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: cooling down, you've got more clothes on, you're shooting with gloves,

971
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: you may have a head net and so on and

972
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: so forth. So all that changes the dynamic as well. Yeah,

973
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 1: speaking of firearms, have you struggled on that side at all?

974
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 1: Have you have any of the target panic or you know,

975
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: rushing shots or any of those things translated to the

976
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 1: gun Sidon. I think that it is not too indifferent

977
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: from the archery tackle, meaning years and years ago when

978
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: we were novice hunters and just learning and had to

979
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: camera over your shoulder with a little extra pressure. Yeah,

980
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: we've we've made some errand shots there as well. But uh,

981
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 1: I will say that firearms is a whole another element.

982
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: Some of the same you go through some of the

983
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: same regiment as far as the breathing and and your

984
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: focal point, but it's a whole different just a whole

985
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 1: different can of worms. I enjoy shooting a firearms. We

986
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,240
Speaker 1: we love shooting all everything Winchester's God, and love shooting

987
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: the traditions at Nitro fire the muzzleloader. You know, the

988
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: conservation departments have given us the times where you uh,

989
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: you know, kind of get to extend your season a

990
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: little bit on on almost every state now, so we

991
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: really enjoy the muzzleoader seasons. And late season is always

992
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: fun because we plan a lot of food obviously with

993
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: carn and beans and biologic and uh, they're just in

994
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: a different mode when the ruts starts to wind down

995
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: and they're all about feeding instead of about breeding. It's

996
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: a whole different animal. Once again, so I enjoy shooting,

997
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: and we're we're pretty disciplined at it. You know there too,

998
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: you wait for that the right shot. Even though a

999
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: firearms will do some different things and the archery tackle

1000
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 1: will and you can take them in different positions on

1001
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,799
Speaker 1: the body, I still like to wait till the broadside

1002
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:24,320
Speaker 1: or quartering away placed the perfect shot. We pride ourselves

1003
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: and trying to do that with the with the firearms,

1004
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: and uh, I don't know, I just I enjoy it.

1005
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 1: Can you Can you do the same thing with a

1006
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: gun that you did when we talked through your bow process.

1007
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 1: Can you walk me through what you're shooting process looks

1008
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: like with a gun? How you you know, I'm curious

1009
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: about the details of how you get them into your

1010
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: scope and what you're thinking about and when you start

1011
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: to breathe or squeeze or all that stuff. What what

1012
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 1: does that look like for you? And how do you

1013
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: go about calming yourself and settling in in that situation.

1014
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 1: If it's any different than your boat, maybe it's the same.

1015
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 1: Well I had said early on that I was hard

1016
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: headed when I when I work through the target panic,

1017
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm just as hardheaded with with the firearms. I've got

1018
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: a certain roundhouse there, and and there's a lot of

1019
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: guys that are tremendous long distance shooters. We see it

1020
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 1: out West all the time, where they're making four and

1021
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: five hundred yards shots, you know, and six hundred yard shots.

1022
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: Where we're at in the Midwest there typically a shot

1023
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 1: might be one under. But if it's not, you know,

1024
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards, I just won't. I won't shoot

1025
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 1: at him. I'll wait till the next day or the

1026
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 1: following day or the following week. I just won't. And

1027
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 1: I prefer that at one thirty and under, one and

1028
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: under and and everything. We've got dialed in at a

1029
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: hundred yards, you know. So we know that we know

1030
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: the trajectory, we know how flat they shoot, we know

1031
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 1: you know the violence that you're gonna get on on impact.

1032
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: So we're just pretty dog on discipline about it. And

1033
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I think that's there too. I think it takes years

1034
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,720
Speaker 1: of practice and years of harvesting a number of animals,

1035
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: and when you get disciplined enough and you say this

1036
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,080
Speaker 1: is my round house, this is my shooting cop, but

1037
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: this is my dead zone. This is where I want them,

1038
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,640
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna shoot until they get there. And

1039
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: if you go in with that attitude, uh, you know,

1040
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: and because they're on camera, he might be out there

1041
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: at one eight or two hundred. You're going, I'm just

1042
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: not gonna shoot him until he gets to one thirty.

1043
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,839
Speaker 1: And some days they do, some days they don't. So

1044
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: you've got to be a disciplined hunter in that in

1045
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 1: that respect. But man, we we pride ourselves in trying

1046
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: to make a good shot. The last thing we want

1047
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: to do is make an errand shot, and uh, we

1048
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: just wait till they get into our confidence zone. Yeah.

1049
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: So once they're in that zone and you're getting ready,

1050
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: how what do you go How do you go about

1051
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: settling in? Calming down? Is just the deep breathing in

1052
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: the same situation or what does that actually look like?

1053
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,399
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, I like to heal, I call it hell.

1054
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 1: I like to heal my gun and or my elbow

1055
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: if I can, if I have that opportunity to heal

1056
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: your elbow or even your back for that matter. So

1057
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: there is zero movement, meaning you're you're really really rigid,

1058
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: and and from the moment they get into my roundhouse,

1059
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: even when they're quartering too, I keep the scope and

1060
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: the crosshairs on them the entire time. And I do

1061
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,560
Speaker 1: that so that when I when I get the shot,

1062
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:13,400
Speaker 1: meaning when he finally does turn broadside or quartering away,

1063
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,560
Speaker 1: I'm already settled in. If you've been on him for

1064
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 1: two minutes, five minutes, ten minutes, twenty minutes, when you

1065
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to shoot, then it's a matter of squeezing.

1066
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: And we do a lot of target practice, much like

1067
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,479
Speaker 1: we do with the archery tackle. We do the same

1068
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: thing with the firearms. We shoot, and we shoot and

1069
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 1: we shoot, and we pride ourselves and trying to touch

1070
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 1: bullets with you know, depending on who you're shooting with

1071
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: and and at different distances, different yardages and so on

1072
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: and so forth, different cartridges, and uh, we just we

1073
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: go through the go through that motion and that regiment

1074
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: so that I don't know that it's necessarily muscle memory

1075
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:51,080
Speaker 1: like it is with archery, but there's a certain regiment

1076
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: that you go through with your eyes and training the

1077
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: eye and the finger and when to squeeze and the

1078
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 1: breathing and all those different things that we go through.

1079
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: But I keep that crossair on him the entire time,

1080
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 1: and then when you're finally presented with the shot, you're

1081
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: pretty pretty well calmed down, you're settled in, and all

1082
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:09,799
Speaker 1: you gotta do is squeeze and pull the trigger. Yeah,

1083
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 1: so we we started this conversation, Terry, digging up some

1084
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: dirt and talking through a couple of your more painful

1085
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 1: experiences with the shop. What about the flip side? Is

1086
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 1: there any hunt you can recall on the archery side again,

1087
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: where you were in the moment, you were fully in control,

1088
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: you did everything right, the shot was perfect, and and

1089
00:53:36,040 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: you can recall that. And I'm curious to hear that

1090
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: story here. I'd love to hear about a time when

1091
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 1: you did it all right and what that felt like

1092
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 1: and what that process looked like. Um, I think that

1093
00:53:48,239 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: could be just as helpful to understand in detail as

1094
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: the as the painful missed opportunities sometimes as well. Well.

1095
00:53:55,600 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, nobody remembers those remember the bat. They all

1096
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: remember the bad ones. But there are you know, there

1097
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: are dozens and dozens of those two. And I'm not

1098
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to brag or say we're good or anything.

1099
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that we have is way way more

1100
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: good ones than bad ones. It's just that the bad

1101
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: ones stick with you, and they stick in your mind

1102
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: and you wish you could have it back. But we've

1103
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: had some really really great hunts with great deer over

1104
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: the years and killed a lot of nice bucks. And

1105
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 1: and I can't tell you how many doughs I've shot

1106
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 1: in my career. And and I try to pride myself

1107
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: on making as many good shots with the dose I

1108
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: do with the buck. I you know, I I really

1109
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: really cherish the fact that we've got an ample supply

1110
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 1: and our deer density is high and we're able to

1111
00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: do that year after year after year. And I enjoy

1112
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: shooting dose. But man, we've had a ton of really

1113
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: good bucks that we've killed and made the perfect shot,

1114
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: and the feeling is is one of yes, finally, all

1115
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: the work, everything that you put into it, all that effort,

1116
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: all that practice, all that you did, and even the

1117
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,759
Speaker 1: chest match. I mean, it's not easy to kill a

1118
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 1: good buck in Missouri, you know, with consistency and regularity,

1119
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 1: and you know, because you know, we do what we do.

1120
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: We're trying to kill four and five good bucks a year.

1121
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: And it's like it's the race of all races. It's

1122
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 1: a it's marathon trying to do it, because it's it's

1123
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: like trying to hit the lottery three, four or five times.

1124
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: It's just don't happen that way. So consistency and killing

1125
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:27,239
Speaker 1: him year after year after years is not easy. And

1126
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,319
Speaker 1: I'm not complaining whatsoever. We love doing it, we love

1127
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: spending the time, We love the chess match. But I

1128
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: have had an ample supply of really good deer that

1129
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: have come into our roundhouse or into that circle. Make

1130
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: a good shot. The deer runs over seventy yards, falls

1131
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: over on camera, and uh, I just you know, the

1132
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: rest is history, as they say. I had one deer

1133
00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,319
Speaker 1: in particular, there was a hundred sixty two or four

1134
00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 1: inch nine point he would attend the previous year. I

1135
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: didn't get a shot at him the previous year, but

1136
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: he came in, presented us with an opportunity. Watched him

1137
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: for an hour and a half on camera. He stayed

1138
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,840
Speaker 1: out there. He finally got in there, opened the window

1139
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: on a blind and boom, he was gone. I didn't

1140
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: get a shot at him, and that was prior to Thanksgiving.

1141
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 1: Came back after Thanksgiving, did the same exact thing. Uh.

1142
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: He came into our round house into the dead zone.

1143
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: If you will, and a doe bugger open the window,

1144
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:17,319
Speaker 1: doe bugger, and he stood there and uh, and then

1145
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 1: he and then he bolted just a little bit and

1146
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: make a long story short, and put it put a

1147
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: great shot on him, and he ran sixty seventy yards

1148
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: fell over dead. So there are a lot of those

1149
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 1: two with firearms and with archery tackle and I just

1150
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: when you do it, the feeling is one of I

1151
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how to describe it other than

1152
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: somewhat of an ecstasy, if you will, because all the

1153
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: work you went into it, it's kind of a big deflation.

1154
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,879
Speaker 1: All the air comes out of your lungs, and there's

1155
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: such a relief and such a yoke or burden off

1156
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: your shoulders that you just you can't describe it words.

1157
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: I don't think words truly describe it. When they go

1158
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 1: down and tip over on camera, man oh man, there

1159
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: is no better feeling. Yeah. So when you look back

1160
00:56:57,719 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: over the last years or what ever it's been, terry,

1161
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 1: and you go back and you think about all these

1162
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,839
Speaker 1: various um low points, mishaps that happened along the way,

1163
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: and you, like you said, you've had different coaches talked

1164
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 1: to You've had different friends talk to you. I'm sure

1165
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: you're your brothers talked to you, Your family and other

1166
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: folks have all probably offered maybe unsolicited advice at times too. Um,

1167
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: what has been if you can think back on any

1168
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: one most important piece of advice that you've got, was

1169
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: there one thing or one change you made, or one

1170
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: one liner that's helped you the most, or or something

1171
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: that that you can look back on say, yeah, you

1172
00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: know what that was that was important? Does anything stand

1173
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: out when you look over those years and when it

1174
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:45,960
Speaker 1: comes to helping you handle these situations, shoot better, deal

1175
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: with the pressure better, whatever part of this you want

1176
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: to tackle. One year and Mark pointed this out. We

1177
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: watched it over and over on on video. Which we

1178
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: talked about early on was having somebody fail me and

1179
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: I was really really gripping the riser, like extremely hard,

1180
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,959
Speaker 1: like talking and gripping it way way harder than needed

1181
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 1: to be. You know, so many guys shoot open palm

1182
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, it's easy to get caught up

1183
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: in that moment where you grip and I think maybe

1184
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, you kind of lose

1185
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 1: side of the fact that you're even doing it. You know,

1186
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 1: because you don't want to you don't want to screw up,

1187
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: so you're gripping just that much tighter, and you're you're

1188
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,080
Speaker 1: talking and doing some things that you wouldn't normally do.

1189
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: And market points that out one year and it's just

1190
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: easy to get caught up. But that was one of

1191
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: the things that was very, very helpful was just watching

1192
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 1: it on camera. Uh. And I think everybody can do

1193
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: that because almost everybody's either got an iPhone or an

1194
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: Android now and the cameras are spectacular, and you can

1195
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: shoot them in slow moor. You can shuttle back and

1196
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: forth and watch what you're doing. And I would say

1197
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: take it from different angles, a frontal and both sides,

1198
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:52,880
Speaker 1: and then maybe from the back and see if your

1199
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: bo arms dropping and so on and so forth. Then

1200
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: see if you're gripping, see if you're anchoring the same

1201
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: way each and every time. But I guess, you know,

1202
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:03,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really don't have one in particular.

1203
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: I do believe that the harvesting a lot of animals

1204
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 1: has helped more than anything. You know, when you start shooting,

1205
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm gonna get into say, you know,

1206
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: hundreds when you shoot hundreds of animals or hundreds of gear,

1207
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: then you should be, you know, over those those nerves.

1208
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 1: Even though you're not, you should be. But it does help.

1209
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: It helps you go through the right motion, the right

1210
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: regiment at the right time, and that you get your

1211
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: brain process right. You know, there's a certain set of

1212
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: fuck processes that you go through, which we did. We've

1213
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: described and we went into that, and I think a

1214
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: guy should go through that regiment each and every time.

1215
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 1: And the other way to do it. If you see

1216
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: a dough, pretend it's a buck. If you see a fawn,

1217
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: pretend it's an adult dough, and go how where am

1218
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: I going to kill this at? How am I gonna

1219
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 1: kill it? Go through the motions, And it's about getting

1220
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:55,959
Speaker 1: your feet right on a platform. Where am I gonna

1221
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: have to get my butt? You know? If I want to,

1222
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: If I want to shoot this deer, you left, enter

1223
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 1: the right hand at it. We call it, I call

1224
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: it into your hand and away from your hand. If

1225
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: you're a bull rider, they love when when a buck

1226
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: or bull turns into their hands or away from their hand,

1227
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: you know. And and that's what I talked about all

1228
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 1: the time. Whether you're turkey hunting, it's about getting your

1229
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: fannie switched around there. If you're a lefty or righty,

1230
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: and archery is not too indifferent. If you know he's

1231
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: gonna be walking one side of the tree or the other,

1232
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 1: then you better be getting your feet turned, you know,

1233
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: so that you can make that shot, and you can

1234
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 1: turn into your hand or away from your hand a

1235
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,400
Speaker 1: lot easier than you can the other direction. Yeah, that's

1236
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: a great point. So what about the flip side that

1237
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: being the worst advice you've been given, because again, I'm

1238
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: sure you've gotten some of that too. Is there anything

1239
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: that you've heard over the years that that you recognize

1240
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: right away as being horrible advice or maybe you took

1241
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 1: the advice and then down the road learned was not

1242
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: such a great suggestion. You know, we get critiqued a lot,

1243
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: and being in the public eye, you're going to get that,

1244
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 1: so you you take each with a grain of salt.

1245
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: But so many people have gotten things that they tell

1246
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: you should be doing, and the majority of it is

1247
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: not the best of advice. You know, it may be

1248
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,960
Speaker 1: a novice that hasn't been hunting very very long. You know,

1249
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:15,320
Speaker 1: if it's you know, if it's uh, Don Kiski, Lelakowski,

1250
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 1: j Gregory, Mark Drury. Uh. You know, LEVI, those guys

1251
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: know what the hell they're talking about. So when they

1252
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: when they say something, you really do want to listen

1253
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: and you want to go, okay, thank you. I appreciate that.

1254
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: But boy, beyond that, if you start getting critique from

1255
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: the average hunter, and I'm not trying to dismiss any

1256
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: of it, because some of those guys are really good archers,

1257
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: but you gotta kind of take it with a grain

1258
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: of salt and say, hey, what works for me? What

1259
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: what really is helpful for me and my scenario in

1260
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: my situation, and because we have so many different scenarios,

1261
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: tree stand, ground blind, elevated blind, you know, it's you

1262
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: never know where we're gonna be sitting. You better be prepared.

1263
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: And I think preparation has got a lot to do

1264
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 1: with that. I sit down and I practice all the

1265
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 1: time because oftentimes we're sitting on a chair and a

1266
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: ground line, or we'll be sitting on a chair in

1267
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,560
Speaker 1: an elevator, lind or we'll be sitting down. I'll sit

1268
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: down and shoot in my tree stand because you can

1269
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: heal your back against the tree trunk, and you're just

1270
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: a lot more a lot more solid. Now when you're

1271
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: sitting down, it limits you. You know, he hed better

1272
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: be either in front of you or moving around on

1273
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: one side of you, because the other side you're not

1274
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get a shot. Then you gotta

1275
01:02:25,120 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 1: get up, and you gotta move. You gotta twist your

1276
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,560
Speaker 1: body all the way around one eight. So it's about

1277
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: knowing where the deer are gonna be and about knowing

1278
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:35,040
Speaker 1: what trails they might be on. But you know, preparation

1279
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: is so important. And we've had some bad advice that

1280
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: we get that on a regular basis via email, and

1281
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: we thank each and every one of them for their advice.

1282
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: But I can't come out with one specifically. Yeah, like

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01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: you said, there's there's a whole lot of examples of

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01:02:49,920 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: pull from I'm sure. Yeah, I gotta ask you this, Uh,

1285
01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: Terry zoom out. I guess zooming out here a little bit.

1286
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: If I were to look back on my past kind

1287
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: of tough year that I mentioned at the top, shooting

1288
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: was a big part of it, but tied to that,

1289
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 1: I think was also expectations or pressure or something that

1290
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: ramped up and probably led to some of the shooting

1291
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,920
Speaker 1: issues and also led to a little bit at periods

1292
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 1: kind of losing some of the joy of things. I've

1293
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: heard from a number of other people, not just people

1294
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: that kind of work in this world like we do,

1295
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,000
Speaker 1: but even just die hard deer hunters that love it

1296
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 1: so much that spends so much time that's it's their obsession.

1297
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: They sink so much time and money and energy into

1298
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,919
Speaker 1: it that they too have developed these expectations and these

1299
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: pressures on themselves, and they've found themselves, you know, on

1300
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 1: November seven, during what's supposed to be the best time

1301
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: of the white tailed year, but instead they're miserable because

1302
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: something's not going right, or because something went wrong, or

1303
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: they they haven't filled their tag, or their buddies have

1304
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: all killed giants and they can't, or whatever the thing is,

1305
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 1: or someone critique their buck on Instagram, or who knows

1306
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 1: what it could be these days. Um, I think this

1307
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: is something that I'm beginning to hear more and more

1308
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: often from folks. Have do you have any thoughts on

1309
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 1: dealing with those types of issues. Have you ever experienced

1310
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: that yourself, have the expectations of the pressures or what

1311
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: if the people think or anything like that. Does any

1312
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: of that resonate? Have you dealt with that? Do you

1313
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 1: have any thoughts or lessons on how to work through

1314
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: that kind of thing? You know, it's funny you ask that,

1315
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: because we we have that pressure each and every year,

1316
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 1: particularly in the outdoor industry, and you're you're expected to

1317
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: perform and you're expected to perform at a higher level

1318
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: because that's what you do and that's what you're you know,

1319
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: that's what your aspirations are. But man, oh man, going

1320
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,720
Speaker 1: into a season, you know, we target certain deer because

1321
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, number one, they've got to be mature anymore.

1322
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 1: And then and there's no perfect science to that determining

1323
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,960
Speaker 1: whether there are five and as sticks and a half

1324
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: seven and a half. Sometimes you can make mistakes and

1325
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 1: you don't even realize you did. But you know, we're

1326
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: going to target a certain deer going into the season,

1327
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 1: and if you just don't seem and you don't get

1328
01:05:22,680 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: an opportunity, you know you're not going to kill him obviously, uh.

1329
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: And then you're only as good as the area that

1330
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: you hunt, or you're only as good as the spot

1331
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: that you're hunting. You can't kill a two hundy if

1332
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: you don't have a two hunty. It's just that simple.

1333
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: If if your dear top out in the mid one

1334
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,720
Speaker 1: forties or one fifties and you're you're after a deer

1335
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 1: like that, that's that's just it. If you kill that deer,

1336
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,440
Speaker 1: you should be extremely happy that you killed a hundred

1337
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: inch deer. Hundred deer if that's what your territory, that's

1338
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 1: what your neck of the woods, or that's what your

1339
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,480
Speaker 1: area provides. And I think are in the story as

1340
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: a whole. Back when we started, hell, you didn't see,

1341
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: you didn't know what anybody shot. If you know, there

1342
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:10,160
Speaker 1: was a few television shows between uh Massioake and you know,

1343
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 1: it wasn't as readily available as it is now. With

1344
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,840
Speaker 1: digital media, you can find out instantaneously what people are

1345
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: killing and how big they are. And and I do

1346
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 1: believe that puts added pressure on everyone nationwide because we

1347
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 1: all want to kill a big deer, and we all

1348
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: want to, you know, enjoy it with our buddies. And

1349
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 1: and when your buddies are killing deer and you're not, man,

1350
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:35,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's a sick feeling. I mean, you go,

1351
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: why can't I I can't even get a sniffle one

1352
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 1: of you. I can't even see one. What's the problem here?

1353
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 1: What's wrong with me? Why? What am I doing? So

1354
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't know how you would get past that, other

1355
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,680
Speaker 1: than to say that, because we've been doing it for

1356
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:52,959
Speaker 1: so long, and we've had a number of different team

1357
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: members over the years, some guys will go through a

1358
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 1: tough season for a year or two, and then by golly,

1359
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: the next year, all of sudden, they're sitting on top.

1360
01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: So it's a psychic, cyclic event. Some years are gonna

1361
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: be better than others. I think some years fall in

1362
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,959
Speaker 1: line with the rut in different states a little bit better,

1363
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: with different moon phases and all those things. So some

1364
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be blessed and some guys are not.

1365
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: And it's it's not uncommon to see that guy that

1366
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: historically has struggled, all of a sudden to kill a

1367
01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:25,480
Speaker 1: giant one year, and you have to stay after it.

1368
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:29,160
Speaker 1: You gotta be persistent, you can't give up, and somehow

1369
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: work through those low spots. Uh. It's a matter of

1370
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,000
Speaker 1: enjoying what the other guy killed. You know, if your

1371
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: buddy killed a one eighty, you've gotta be happy for him,

1372
01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: you know, jealous as you may be and say, damn,

1373
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,280
Speaker 1: I wish tied to kill that, dear, you still have

1374
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: to be happy for the guy that's really worked hard

1375
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 1: and uh and put all the time and the effort

1376
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: into it. So uh, it's not easy. I know the

1377
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:52,880
Speaker 1: pressure is on us each and every year it's a

1378
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: big chess match. And some years we we win. It's checkmates,

1379
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: some years we don't. Do you do you? I think

1380
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 1: you kind of alluded to this, But do you even

1381
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 1: feel that way personally yourself? Sometimes, even though you've killed

1382
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:09,760
Speaker 1: so many great deer, do you still find yourselves sometimes

1383
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: sitting there and end of October and seemingly everyone in

1384
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 1: the team's killed a buck and you haven't seen a

1385
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: shooter in eight weeks or something, and what's your self talk?

1386
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: Look like? What's your how do you? How do you

1387
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 1: psyche yourself back up? Is it just simply reminding yourself

1388
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:26,599
Speaker 1: of the past like you just mentioned, Well, it would

1389
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:30,160
Speaker 1: always seem that no matter what I killed, Mark would

1390
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 1: kill one ten or fifteen inches bigger, just seriously, and

1391
01:08:35,080 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: his his he had spots were there early season was

1392
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: usually good. He'd have he'd had big deer on you know,

1393
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: biologic non typical clover early season, and he'd bopped one

1394
01:08:44,960 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: right out of the gate. So then the pressure was

1395
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:49,679
Speaker 1: on immediately, you know, and you're like, okay, my farm,

1396
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 1: because we have so much agg around us, it doesn't

1397
01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 1: get good until middle of October, end of October, once

1398
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,479
Speaker 1: the crops start coming out. So I was always a

1399
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 1: late harder at the All Star break, if you will,

1400
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: and then I would be a strong finisher. But man,

1401
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 1: it's a tough bill to swallow when he gets two

1402
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 1: or three good ones under his belt right right out

1403
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: of the gate, and you're trying to keep up, you know,

1404
01:09:12,120 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: So there's always pressure in and we pull for each

1405
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,040
Speaker 1: other no matter what. I'm always I'm always thankful when

1406
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 1: he kills a couple of good ones right off the bat,

1407
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 1: you know, early season, because it takes a little bit

1408
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: of pressure off as far as you know, filling the

1409
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 1: shows and coming up with enough content. But it's added

1410
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 1: pressure and the fact that I'm trying to, you know,

1411
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,920
Speaker 1: find a big deer and and get on one and

1412
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:37,080
Speaker 1: kill it, because he's always got a big one somewhere,

1413
01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,080
Speaker 1: some some ways, some shape or form. He's got a

1414
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:43,519
Speaker 1: giant on some little bitty fifty acre parcel that he

1415
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,439
Speaker 1: got permission on or something, you know, and he and

1416
01:09:45,479 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: he went in, he carved out of food plot and

1417
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 1: that's one eight shows up. You know. So some people, right,

1418
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 1: they're always always in the money. A harsh shoe, four

1419
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: leaf clover, rabbits foot, your name, and he's got he's

1420
01:09:59,200 --> 01:10:02,520
Speaker 1: got all that stuff his pocket, his backpack. But he's

1421
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: he's just he's at another level, much like Leila Kosky

1422
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,559
Speaker 1: and some of those other guys. He marks just one

1423
01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: hell of a white tail hunter. He really is tremendous

1424
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 1: shot too, you know, but we don't go his mrs

1425
01:10:15,400 --> 01:10:19,200
Speaker 1: are his errand shots. We just never have. He's somes

1426
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: more control in the editor's box. Huh. We gotta get

1427
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: that change. Oh yeah, oh yes, absolutely yeah. Those shows

1428
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: get sometimes get proofed when I'm out of town or

1429
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: on the farm or something. Yeah. Funny how that happens. Yeah, um,

1430
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: but it's all good, it's all fun. I will say

1431
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 1: We've been really very very blessed and very fortunate. The

1432
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,080
Speaker 1: most humbling experience in the world is to grow up

1433
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: in the outdoor industry and be blessed enough to harvest

1434
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: some really really good deer and and trying to help

1435
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:51,440
Speaker 1: someone else learn. You know, that's what our biggest aspiration.

1436
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,120
Speaker 1: And we have not talked about deer cast, but that

1437
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 1: was the whole reason we we came up with the

1438
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 1: app in deer cast. Yeah, so what's what's new a

1439
01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,519
Speaker 1: deer Cast? I know you guys have updated this year.

1440
01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:04,559
Speaker 1: What's uh, what should we be looking for? Wow? It's

1441
01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 1: it's just really really been fun. It's been a labor

1442
01:11:08,280 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 1: of love, if you will. We've been two years. We

1443
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: were supposed to release this last year. We didn't get

1444
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:14,200
Speaker 1: it done, but it did give us time to do

1445
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 1: some additional testing with the beta series and we think

1446
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,679
Speaker 1: we've got it down now where it's it's pretty dog

1447
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 1: on sweet. We added mapping to the original deer Cast.

1448
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: Obviously is the movement predictor, which tells you, you know,

1449
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:31,760
Speaker 1: the when the white tails are more most likely to

1450
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 1: be up on their feet and moving during daylight hours.

1451
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,080
Speaker 1: And then in addition to that, it's got deer cash Track,

1452
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: which helps you find your dear, recover your animal. It's

1453
01:11:40,360 --> 01:11:43,600
Speaker 1: it's got a news feed, it's got our entire library

1454
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: and and the weather data. So we added mapping to that,

1455
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: and with that mapping, we added rain stations. Where you

1456
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 1: can put a rain station on your food plot and

1457
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: it will tell you the actually the precipt that you

1458
01:11:56,439 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 1: have that fallen. It's a it's a an estimated you

1459
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:03,200
Speaker 1: will until after the precept falls. You know, if it

1460
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: says you're gonna get three tents of rain, and then

1461
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: after it has time to update once the rain has fallen,

1462
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: you know you may have got four tents. You may go.

1463
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: But it's awfully nice knowing when you got rain coming,

1464
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,519
Speaker 1: you know what the next seventy two looks like, and

1465
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: when you can get your food plots in and then

1466
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 1: if you've gotten rain, you know, you say, oh man,

1467
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:23,880
Speaker 1: you may live four hours from your farm or two

1468
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: hours and you go, hell, I got an inch of

1469
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: rain on my farm, which is awesome. So it's got that.

1470
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: It's also got wind check. The wind check is phenomenal.

1471
01:12:32,120 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: It tells you you know what wind direction it will

1472
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 1: be coming from. It's got a cent cone on there.

1473
01:12:38,479 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: That sent tone changes speed and it changes size depending

1474
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:46,760
Speaker 1: on the speed and the velocity of the wind. You know,

1475
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,800
Speaker 1: one to five is one cone. Uh six to ten

1476
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: is another cone, tend to fifteen and so on and

1477
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:56,400
Speaker 1: so forth. Those sent streams change and the uh, it's

1478
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: just really trying to show you, you know, exactly what's

1479
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: happening when you're sitting in a tree stand. And then

1480
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: there's some information that goes along with each and every

1481
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: one on the more the sweet spot is, you know,

1482
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,880
Speaker 1: I like to hunt seven eight mill on our winds.

1483
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:11,559
Speaker 1: Mark likes to hunt ten to eleven mile on our winds. So, uh,

1484
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 1: it's very very informative when it comes to that sense

1485
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: dream and and let's face it, a deer list and

1486
01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: eyes by their nose. It's got parcel data, it's got radar,

1487
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 1: it's got just every single thing you would want as

1488
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 1: a white tail hunter. And you know, a food plot area. Uh,

1489
01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: it will pass track, it's got distances. Every single thing

1490
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: you might need as a white tailed guy is in

1491
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 1: this mapping features and and man oh man, we we

1492
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,680
Speaker 1: just strongly feel like people are going to enjoy it.

1493
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: And I think the more they use it, the more

1494
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:45,599
Speaker 1: they're gonna want to use it. Very cool and still

1495
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 1: deer cast track, You've got that tool on there as

1496
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,760
Speaker 1: well too, right, Yes, you know, Mark, everybody tells you

1497
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 1: how to kill them, but nobody tells you how to

1498
01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 1: find them. We said, you know, what let's try and

1499
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 1: help people find them. And we we've taken a number

1500
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: and I don't know how many hundreds of deer hits

1501
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:04,439
Speaker 1: that we've got on there. But we've got two other

1502
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: guys that will tell you a little bit about it.

1503
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: One is tracker John Inglecan and the other one is

1504
01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: uh Bobby Culberson down at Tara Wildlife. Those guys are

1505
01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 1: tremendous trackers. And they two and Mark and I too,

1506
01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,880
Speaker 1: both give you some insight on how long to wait,

1507
01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: what vitals you might have hit, what arteries you may

1508
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:24,360
Speaker 1: have hit, uh you know, and when you hit this

1509
01:14:24,479 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 1: artery let's say living or long or or double lung

1510
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: or heart lung or our our guts and and liver,

1511
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:33,840
Speaker 1: how long you need to wait for that dear to expire,

1512
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: and how far they may have went, and and what

1513
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: other arteries you might have cut so and and there's

1514
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: a three D model in there that will go uh

1515
01:14:41,439 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 1: quartering to broadside, quartering away, so that you can kind

1516
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:47,479
Speaker 1: of say, oh, he was he was quartering to me

1517
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: just slightly, So where did my arrow go through there?

1518
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: And that three D model will kind of give you

1519
01:14:52,680 --> 01:14:55,639
Speaker 1: an idea what you would have hit on that particular shot.

1520
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,360
Speaker 1: So all of those are cashed away in there and

1521
01:14:58,360 --> 01:14:59,640
Speaker 1: you can pull them up and take a look at

1522
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:01,120
Speaker 1: him and and say, you know what, I was gonna

1523
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,719
Speaker 1: give him thirty minutes, I need to give him four hours.

1524
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: Or I was gonna give him four hours, I need

1525
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: to give him eight. So it's, uh, it's extremely informational

1526
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: when it comes to those hits. Yeah, I really like that.

1527
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 1: That's that's coming hand you a couple of times, just

1528
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 1: even when it's something you feel like, pretty confident, I

1529
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: know what I should do in this situation. It's always

1530
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 1: nice to have a second opinion, and you know, sometimes

1531
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: it's too late at night to call a friend or whatever,

1532
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,360
Speaker 1: and being able to go on there and see how

1533
01:15:26,400 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: it went down for for one of the guys in

1534
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,880
Speaker 1: your team and see your thoughts on it. I've found

1535
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 1: that pretty pretty nice to have so nice, nicely done

1536
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: good stuff, you know, And because of the things are nowadays, Mark,

1537
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why everyone isn't trying to self film,

1538
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: because we have the luxury of watching the hit over

1539
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: and over and over and over, and some of them

1540
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:49,599
Speaker 1: will watch, you know, three or four dozen times to say,

1541
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, as he dead, or should we give you

1542
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:53,280
Speaker 1: more time? Or what did we hit? Blah blah blah

1543
01:15:53,280 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 1: blah blah. But a guy sitting in a tree by

1544
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,719
Speaker 1: himself and makes a shot, oftentimes you're not a hundred

1545
01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: percent certain, And I'd say more and more times than not,

1546
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,760
Speaker 1: you're not exactly certain where you hit him and how

1547
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,040
Speaker 1: he was standing, whether it was he quartering too, was

1548
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: he broad? But boy, if if you have the opportunity

1549
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 1: or the luxury to watch it on camera, there is

1550
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 1: no no better feeling than to watch it over and

1551
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: over and over and then make that decision. But you know,

1552
01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 1: it's it's easy, too easy to guess. But if you

1553
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,240
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do some self filming, then I

1554
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 1: would highly encourage it. Yeah, so so helpful. So the

1555
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: last question for you, Terry, what what's in store for

1556
01:16:31,080 --> 01:16:33,839
Speaker 1: you this season? Do you are you feeling good about

1557
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,559
Speaker 1: what's coming up? Is there a special deer you're helping

1558
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: to get your eyes on this year? What what's Deer

1559
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: Season two going to look like? For you? Well? Last

1560
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: year I felt really really good about things because we

1561
01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: had you know, a number of different bucks, several up

1562
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,760
Speaker 1: and comers and so on and so forth. And killed

1563
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: a good one last year, killed two good ones last

1564
01:16:53,800 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 1: year on my farm, and so did Forest, my farm manager.

1565
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: Forest bad and killed a couple of good ones there

1566
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,040
Speaker 1: on the farm. So we had a really really banner

1567
01:17:02,120 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: year last year. But with that being said, none of

1568
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: them made it through. There was a lot of a

1569
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: lot of deer that got taken in and around my

1570
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: farm and and they just disappeared. So we really don't

1571
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: have anything to hunt this year. I'm hoping something shows

1572
01:17:17,160 --> 01:17:19,880
Speaker 1: up other than a few doughs, we'll be we'll be

1573
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: dope shooting for a while. But with that said, I've

1574
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 1: got a couple of good ones over in Illinois, same

1575
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,519
Speaker 1: deer I've been hunting in Illinois for the last three years.

1576
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:29,920
Speaker 1: Haven't got them dead, and uh, we'll we'll go after

1577
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 1: them and try to harvest one or two of those

1578
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: if we get the opportunity. We killed a really good

1579
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 1: deer over there last year and shot it with a

1580
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,640
Speaker 1: crossbow mission crossbow, and uh, I know we catch a

1581
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: lot of grief over that too. Uh. We didn't talk

1582
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: about this at all. I'm getting to a point in

1583
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,639
Speaker 1: with my age. I tore a rotator, uh a couple

1584
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 1: of years ago and I'm I milked my way through

1585
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,599
Speaker 1: it last year, kind of nursed it along, but it's

1586
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:56,000
Speaker 1: it's really really bad this year, and I'm too big

1587
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: a sissy to go get it fixed. So everybody I've

1588
01:17:59,560 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: talked to said it's the worst pain they've ever had

1589
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: when they got their rotator operated on. So I've been

1590
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,599
Speaker 1: I can't. You can't put a belt on, you can't,

1591
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: you know, get your seat belts, you can't brush your teeth,

1592
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: you can't call mer hair, you know. It's one of

1593
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,919
Speaker 1: those deals. It's like a butcher knife in your shoulders.

1594
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: So that's an issue. But that's why. That's why God

1595
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:22,479
Speaker 1: made crossbows. I didn't believe. So that's the crossbows working

1596
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 1: pretty well for you. Then now, yes, those things, my goodness,

1597
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: they've made them now that they're just and we'll probably

1598
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:31,599
Speaker 1: get hammered because we talked about it. But for those

1599
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 1: that that need it and have shoulder issues, my golly,

1600
01:18:35,080 --> 01:18:38,200
Speaker 1: it's they're fun to shoot, and we really really thoroughly

1601
01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: enjoy We like this target. Practicing with it, I mean,

1602
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: Forest and I spent a great much like our firearms

1603
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,840
Speaker 1: and much like the archery tackle, we spend a lot

1604
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:48,840
Speaker 1: of time shooting a crossbow and have become very very

1605
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: proficient in it there too. We know what our roundhouse is.

1606
01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:54,799
Speaker 1: We're not gonna take any errand shots at a hundred

1607
01:18:54,880 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 1: yards eighty yards and a lot of guys can, a

1608
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 1: lot of guys will, but we try to keep it,

1609
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: you know, reasonable, and we know if they're in our

1610
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: round house, there's a pretty good chance we're going to

1611
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: be successful. And we're very very adamant about that as well.

1612
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 1: But boy are they fun to shoot. I don't know

1613
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:13,080
Speaker 1: if you've ever tinkered with one, but man, they're blast. Yeah. Yeah.

1614
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 1: My my dad has some eyesight issues and because of that,

1615
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 1: he you know, he tried shooting a regular compombo and

1616
01:19:20,360 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: just really struggled with that. So a crossbow ended up

1617
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: being great for him because there's the scope and he

1618
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: can really see things well through that, and so that

1619
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,680
Speaker 1: was a game change for him and it lets him

1620
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, participate in archery season now, which is you know,

1621
01:19:32,280 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 1: a godsend. So it's been it's been fun to shoot

1622
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,240
Speaker 1: those and help him with that. And I'll never crap

1623
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: on crossbows because there's there's a lot of people that

1624
01:19:39,920 --> 01:19:42,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get outside and enjoy hunting the

1625
01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,160
Speaker 1: way we do if they didn't have a tool like that.

1626
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,919
Speaker 1: So I'm all, I'm all for people being able to

1627
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:50,920
Speaker 1: get out there and enjoy it however they need to. Well,

1628
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,839
Speaker 1: I shot seventy two pounds for years and years and years,

1629
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: and then as I started get a little older, I

1630
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 1: dropped down to sixty seven, and then sixty four, and

1631
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: then sixty two and then fifty nine, fifty seven. I

1632
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 1: shot fifty three last year with a bad shoulder, and

1633
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,160
Speaker 1: I got it back the other day and I'm pulling

1634
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:10,400
Speaker 1: forty nine pounds and I can't draw it. It hurts

1635
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 1: so so bad. I literally cannot draw it forty nine.

1636
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna drop it down to forty five and

1637
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: then forty two, and I probably won't go lower than that.

1638
01:20:18,360 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: But if I can't draw it, I can't draw it,

1639
01:20:19,920 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: you know. So I'll be shooting across bow if I

1640
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: if I have to. But in regardless, it is what

1641
01:20:24,560 --> 01:20:26,360
Speaker 1: it is. Is you can start to get a little older,

1642
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 1: things change and as people find that out, they go,

1643
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not what I once was, and

1644
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 1: it wasn't much to begin with. So you have to

1645
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 1: come to the come to the reckoning and say there's

1646
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 1: certain things you just gotta do. Now. If I go

1647
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,360
Speaker 1: get it operated on in the off season and get

1648
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 1: it fixed, I might be able to get it back.

1649
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 1: But so I'm right now, I can't draw forty nine pounds,

1650
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: which is pretty sad, to be honest. And I was

1651
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 1: pulling fifty three last year, killed too, killed the biggest

1652
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:56,719
Speaker 1: year of my life last year fifty three pounds. So well.

1653
01:20:57,200 --> 01:20:59,280
Speaker 1: I I hope that whether it's with a kam Pombo

1654
01:20:59,439 --> 01:21:01,880
Speaker 1: or crossed. Oh, Terry, I hope a big one shows

1655
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,200
Speaker 1: up in missouriphor you. I hope the Illinois buck finally

1656
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,240
Speaker 1: meets his maker. And uh, I hope you have a

1657
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,720
Speaker 1: great season, and likewise, I hope you do too. I

1658
01:21:10,800 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: love your stuff. I always have. I've always enjoyed visiting

1659
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: with with you. I really really am always enthralled with

1660
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: everything you do. I hope you continue hunting with your dad,

1661
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 1: and I hope he kills a monster with the crossbowt

1662
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: I hope so too. Thank you Terry for for making

1663
01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: time to do this. I really appreciate it. Thank you

1664
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 1: so much. Anytime you need anything, just give me a holler,

1665
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:32,120
Speaker 1: all right, And that is a rap big things. Again

1666
01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 1: to Terry for speaking with us. I hope you guys

1667
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 1: enjoyed this one. As we just mentioned. Everything they're doing

1668
01:21:38,240 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 1: over with the deer Cast app is is really great.

1669
01:21:41,360 --> 01:21:44,240
Speaker 1: I personally enjoy it. I follow it. I've got the app.

1670
01:21:44,840 --> 01:21:47,639
Speaker 1: The YouTube channels packed with great content to so check

1671
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: that out and um stay tuned, f y. I speaking

1672
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: of YouTube, a new show that I filmed last year

1673
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:59,639
Speaker 1: for meat Eater will be launching soon on the meat

1674
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 1: Eater YouTube channel, So if you're not already, head on

1675
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 1: over and subscribe to the meat Eater YouTube channel to

1676
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: see my wild season and the crazy adventures I went on.

1677
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:13,360
Speaker 1: It should be launching sometime in September, so keep an

1678
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: eye out for that. And in the meantime, we've got

1679
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:19,080
Speaker 1: our new waterfowl show, duck Lure is airing right now.

1680
01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,280
Speaker 1: There's a fishing show, The Canadian Angle that new episodes

1681
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:25,160
Speaker 1: are coming up right now and lots more to come

1682
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 1: over the fall. So man, if you got a little

1683
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 1: free time, there's no shortage of great hunting and fishing

1684
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: content out there for you to check out, so you

1685
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: can find it in the Mediator YouTube channel at the

1686
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:39,639
Speaker 1: meat eat dot com Follow me on Instagram at wired

1687
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 1: to Hunt, or just get outside, shoot your bow and

1688
01:22:42,600 --> 01:22:45,920
Speaker 1: forget all this internet ship. Get better at shooting, get

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01:22:45,920 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: ready for a great hunting season. You guys are the best.

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01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:54,479
Speaker 1: Thanks for tuning in, and until next time, stay wired

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Speaker 1: to Hunt.