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Speaker 1: of the Dallas Cowboys. UM. A lot of things happened
Speaker 1: this week. We got the owner's meeting, a lot of news.
Speaker 1: You got Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones, Mike McCarthy talking to
Speaker 1: the media. There's a lot of different topics that will
Speaker 1: try to hit today, but I wanted to start off
Speaker 1: with I think one of the things that fans have
Speaker 1: criticized the most when it comes to the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: last year, Dak Prescott and the interceptions, and I wanted
Speaker 1: to kind of ask you guys your opinions and some
Speaker 1: of the things that McCarthy said as far as how
Speaker 1: they're working through this, how they're working with the coaching changes,
Speaker 1: the different roles here and what they're trying to do.
Speaker 1: And Nick, you were out there, what did they say
Speaker 1: as far as like fixing this problem? How did they
Speaker 1: get Dak to be I guess keep being aggressive boor,
Speaker 1: but protecting the ball, well, not throwing a Protecting the
Speaker 1: ball is obviously the key. And basically what it starts
Speaker 1: is and it's going to start up front, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the offensive line, but that's what they keep
Speaker 1: saying is that they've got to get him upright for
Speaker 1: twenty games. Twenty games is the goal for for Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy on on playing uh Dak Prescott. So that's where
Speaker 1: I believe he thinks it starts, is getting getting pass protection.
Speaker 1: Pass protection. We can talk about Terrence Steele and Tyre
Speaker 1: and Smith and Tyler Smith and all that. They're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure they got five guys that could pass protect
Speaker 1: because as much as they like to say they're going
Speaker 1: to run the ball, it's still pass protection. It's still
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy in a West Coast offense as what he
Speaker 1: referred to it several times. So, um, I'll let Brian
Speaker 1: speak a little bit more about what they're gonna do
Speaker 1: with the turnovers part. I mean that's something that they're
Speaker 1: drawing to address. But I think it does start with
Speaker 1: the offensive line. Yeah, they t they we learned that
Speaker 1: that you know, just uh maybe several weeks ago, that
Speaker 1: that Dak Mike McCarthy and and and Tolzine's Goot Tolzine
Speaker 1: the coach sat down and they went through every single
Speaker 1: interception he had this year and then in last year
Speaker 1: and try to pinpoint the reasons why, what were they
Speaker 1: What were the factors that led for the interceptions were?
Speaker 1: What were the decisions that were made here? What were
Speaker 1: you seeing? I think that's the thing when you're um,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're trying to figure things out. We
Speaker 1: always talk about the autopsy. You know, you're trying to
Speaker 1: get you see clues, You're trying to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: what was the cause of death here? And you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to in football terms, death is turnovers.
Speaker 1: You know, it kills your opportunity to win games and statistically,
Speaker 1: you know that's something that's always part of that from
Speaker 1: your scout's eye. Is there something I know this? I
Speaker 1: can't ask you ahead of time to like watching it
Speaker 1: go back and watch, but uh, from the season, what
Speaker 1: you remember is there something in general that you notice
Speaker 1: that was Dak's main problem. I don't think he sees
Speaker 1: to feel particularly well at times. And there's times when
Speaker 1: you see him with when he moves to his left.
Speaker 1: I feel like when on the move, he sees things
Speaker 1: a little bit better than when he's stationary in the pocket,
Speaker 1: you know. And I think that's where if you look
Speaker 1: at the throws and some of these interceptions were not
Speaker 1: his fault. I mean, when you start to talk about balls,
Speaker 1: you know, clanging off receivers or getting tipped or things
Speaker 1: like that, that's not on necessarily on Dak Prescott. But
Speaker 1: if you're all of a sudden throwing a ball down
Speaker 1: the middle of the field and you read the coverage wrong,
Speaker 1: or you don't see a safety sitting there, or a
Speaker 1: linebacker on a deep drop sitting there, then that's an issue.
Speaker 1: The really the elite quarterbacks in the league, I believe,
Speaker 1: have that ability to see the whole entire field and
Speaker 1: anticipate where guys are going to be. You know, they
Speaker 1: talk to Aaron Rodgers about this all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers would rather have a stationary you know, with
Speaker 1: his with his team now with the Packers, the way.
Speaker 1: Well soon maybe it's not gonna be his team anymore.
Speaker 1: But all the movement movement is supposed to show you
Speaker 1: what it's going to happen. Aaron Rodgers is more of
Speaker 1: a stationary guy. He goes, I want to see just
Speaker 1: where everybody's going to be when the ball snapped. I
Speaker 1: don't want people moving around. I just want to see
Speaker 1: stationary stuff and that way. You can read that way.
Speaker 1: And I think with Dak, they're even going into now
Speaker 1: eight years, there are things that he is deficient at,
Speaker 1: and I think reading the field at the absolute time.
Speaker 1: There's times where Dak is early in his career, would
Speaker 1: turn his back to the defense and then have to
Speaker 1: come back and then you're not sure. He wasn't sure
Speaker 1: where everybody was, And I think that's the biggest He's
Speaker 1: got the arm strength, the arm talent to get the
Speaker 1: ball to where it needs to be. It's just when
Speaker 1: people get into throwing lanes that gives him the biggest problem.
Speaker 1: You know, last week, Dak along with they were having
Speaker 1: a charity event in Dallas and he talked to the
Speaker 1: media and one of the things he mentioned and they
Speaker 1: made the headline. We put out an article on it is.
Speaker 1: The time is now, basically, and I thought it was
Speaker 1: interesting to see you hear about the team trying to
Speaker 1: cater to Dak, build a team around Dak, and then
Speaker 1: you see people come and go and then now, I
Speaker 1: guess the biggest awakening moment was Zeke's departure, knowing that
Speaker 1: he was drafted with him and knowing what the two
Speaker 1: built in their time with the Dallas Cowboys. Nick, when
Speaker 1: you hear something, it changed like this, all these moving parts,
Speaker 1: all these moving pieces, and again we'll get into the
Speaker 1: old line pretty soon. But what do you think, what else?
Speaker 1: What else can the Cowboys do to get to that
Speaker 1: level now that basically you only have Dak Prescott. Well,
Speaker 1: they can give better receivers. I mean that's the thing
Speaker 1: that they quit trying to think that you know, you're
Speaker 1: gonna find like everybody's gonna be a Miles Austin, because
Speaker 1: even Miles Austin that needed four years. And so you know,
Speaker 1: they they this is twice that they've done it in
Speaker 1: the last five years where they've gone into a season
Speaker 1: thinking whether off it their receivers were good enough and
Speaker 1: they weren't. I mean, Noah Brown should should be a
Speaker 1: fifth receiver. And and if he's but if he if
Speaker 1: you're making him the second or third Yeah, he has
Speaker 1: a couple of moments here and there, but that's not
Speaker 1: what he is. And and Dak needs better than that.
Speaker 1: DAC needs better than than Jalen Tilber that didn't play
Speaker 1: much last year, and so it needs better than than
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup every other game maybe having a few plays
Speaker 1: here and there. So they they've got to commit more
Speaker 1: to the receiver position. And that's that's the balance here.
Speaker 1: That's the toughest part is that you're gonna pay a
Speaker 1: guy this much money and then he still needs help
Speaker 1: around him. That's that's the most quarterbacks do I mean,
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, Kirk Cousins gets paid a
Speaker 1: lot of more. He needs may needs star receivers around him,
Speaker 1: and and and that's that's just the fact. That's the
Speaker 1: way it is. There's only a couple of guys in
Speaker 1: the league that can elevate all these other guys. Most
Speaker 1: the guys need help. And I think that's what the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did by getting Cooks. Do you think it's uh,
Speaker 1: you still think they're going to make the same mistakes
Speaker 1: because what Amber was talking about earlier that we're going
Speaker 1: to get into the offensive line, that they feel like
Speaker 1: that that's really the issue with Dak right now, or
Speaker 1: the thing that's holding Dak back. I think I think
Speaker 1: that because you make a good point about the receivers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely right. I don't know if they share your opinion. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, and they don't share my opinion about it either.
Speaker 1: But you know, the thing about it is, they switched
Speaker 1: the offensive line coach. They took the assistant offensive line
Speaker 1: coach and made him a running backs coach. You know,
Speaker 1: they're they're looking at potentially drafting a guard. We're not
Speaker 1: going to we're gonna get into the whole thing about
Speaker 1: Tyrn Smith and all that moving around up front. To me,
Speaker 1: it's like they haven't said anything about, oh man, we
Speaker 1: have got to go out and get better receivers. It
Speaker 1: is the focus of this thing has been right on
Speaker 1: the offensive line, you know. And that's where I can
Speaker 1: say I agree with you about the better talent around him.
Speaker 1: The point that they're even talking about potentially drafting a
Speaker 1: tight endy six. When they had Dalton Schultz, they just
Speaker 1: let him walk, and you know, they say, well, we
Speaker 1: really like hindershot and Ferguson and all that, but the
Speaker 1: fact that you get you're starting to hear whispers that
Speaker 1: they would consider drafting a tight end at twenty six.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not about the bit of receivers. It's
Speaker 1: really about the offensive lines, about the tight ends. And
Speaker 1: you know, they committed a franchise tag to a running back,
Speaker 1: you know, so you know it's everything but wide receivers.
Speaker 1: And I and I don't and again I don't disagree
Speaker 1: with you on the talent that needs to be over there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know they and they did that, They addressed it.
Speaker 1: They got Cooks. They got a guy that has been
Speaker 1: at five different places now and he's he's had success
Speaker 1: at all in all of them. And so I think
Speaker 1: that that that was a scheme friendly type of player,
Speaker 1: and that that he has bounced around a little bit
Speaker 1: and shined regardless who the quarterback is throwing them the ball.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's a good thing. That'll be
Speaker 1: a good fit and not at t Y Hilton come in,
Speaker 1: you know, like after Thanksgiving, Like this is a guy
Speaker 1: that could be here at training camp. So I like,
Speaker 1: I like that move. I think Gallop is going to
Speaker 1: be better for a whole year and he'll he'll have
Speaker 1: some more repetition. What bothers me a little bit is
Speaker 1: that right now, I don't feel that there is enough
Speaker 1: competition like I would like to get into when we
Speaker 1: get to training camp. Well, these are the group of guys,
Speaker 1: and who who's gonna be the guy? I mean, you
Speaker 1: know you guys Ceee Lamb and you got Gallop, and
Speaker 1: you got Tolber that's supposed to come back in and
Speaker 1: see if he does anything this year, and the addition
Speaker 1: of Cooks. But is there something you know, when you
Speaker 1: get out there, you feel like, oh, there's all this talent.
Speaker 1: Let's see how they compete out there for at least
Speaker 1: the third with somebody will though. I think somebody between Tolbert, Semi, Fihoko,
Speaker 1: Kvante Turpin, somebody will make that jump. And it probably
Speaker 1: comes down to who's working with Dac the most of
Speaker 1: this offseason, but I think I think somebody will make that.
Speaker 1: We've seen it with Cedric Wilson, We've seen it with
Speaker 1: Noah Brown. We've seen them guys make a jump. But
Speaker 1: they need to make that jump into the third or
Speaker 1: fourth spot, not the spot. Yeah, all right, Well let's
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and talk about the old line and
Speaker 1: what we heard coming out of the owner's meeting basically
Speaker 1: saying that they're thinking or they're looking at you know,
Speaker 1: they're looking at all options, but one of the options
Speaker 1: is working Terrence Steele at guard and see how that
Speaker 1: works out and if it is a good fit to
Speaker 1: put him there. What are your thoughts on this? That
Speaker 1: is a that is the complete opposite of a Jerry
Speaker 1: Jones theory that he has about offensive line play. It's
Speaker 1: a complete opposite Jerry Jones. The one thing that I know,
Speaker 1: working fourteen years with him on the scouting side and
Speaker 1: then now with you know and being around when with
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com, is that he believed And I
Speaker 1: don't know where he got this. It could have been
Speaker 1: from Bill Parcels. It could have been from John Madden
Speaker 1: in the day. It could have been from al day,
Speaker 1: It could have been for somebody. Jerry Jones fundamentally believes
Speaker 1: in the front of the pocket. He believes in the
Speaker 1: depth of the pocket is set by the center and
Speaker 1: the two guards. The width of the pocket is by
Speaker 1: the offensive tackles. They keep people wide, you keep the
Speaker 1: front of the pocket solid. You step up. That's why
Speaker 1: he's made investments. That's why they had Ron Leary here,
Speaker 1: That's why they drafted Zack Martin. That's why they drafted
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick. They've always tried to have powerful players in
Speaker 1: the front of the line. The one thing that we
Speaker 1: can say about Terrence Steele and listen, I've been the
Speaker 1: most critical guy of Terrence Steele as a player. Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele is an, in my opinion, an elite run blocker.
Speaker 1: When you start to talk about athletic ability and how
Speaker 1: he works with Zach Martin, I would say he's an
Speaker 1: average to below average pass blocker. And a lot of
Speaker 1: it has to do with his strength, the power, the base.
Speaker 1: We've seen him. We've seen what it's like to have
Speaker 1: a power deficient left guard in Connor Williams. We've seen
Speaker 1: what that does for you. You know, you could be
Speaker 1: all you could be the best athlete in the world
Speaker 1: over there at guard, but if you play with a
Speaker 1: lack of power. Now every quarterback in the league is affected.
Speaker 1: They can handle the stuff that comes off the edges.
Speaker 1: It's the stuff in their face that they can't handle.
Speaker 1: To me, if you told me, and I've seen some
Speaker 1: clips of Terrence Still looks really good moving around, you know,
Speaker 1: Duke Maryweather and those guys they've got, they've got him
Speaker 1: moving around pretty well, looks good, you know, Britt Brown,
Speaker 1: those guys. Everybody, to the kid's credit working art. But
Speaker 1: to me, if you don't have a bigger guy, and
Speaker 1: that's and that's the reason why this draft I think
Speaker 1: is important. There's a couple of those bodies, those three
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pound guys that are athletic, that
Speaker 1: can plug in and play at that at that left
Speaker 1: guard spot. But this is this is fundamentally against everything
Speaker 1: that Jerry Jones believes when you start talking about the
Speaker 1: front of the pocket. And to be fair, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: did not say Terrence Still would be a guard. He
Speaker 1: said he's a tackle. He did not say he's a guard.
Speaker 1: He said that right now he sees him at a
Speaker 1: swing tackle with Tyrn and Tyler and then we'll see
Speaker 1: how it all shakes out. Mike McCarthy said, they're working
Speaker 1: out a guard a little bit. Stephen said, we'll see
Speaker 1: about the top five, top five players out there, you
Speaker 1: know all that. Personally, I think that the contract they
Speaker 1: gave Tyrann Smith was more playtime incentive and and if
Speaker 1: you're going to do that, then you've got to give
Speaker 1: him the opportunity to get it. Now, I think everybody
Speaker 1: believes that it probably won't play seventeen games. He hasn't
Speaker 1: in six years. And even McCarthy says something very interesting.
Speaker 1: He said, we haven't had the same combination since I've
Speaker 1: been here, the same starting five week to week. That
Speaker 1: just doesn't happen. Doesn't happen at all. He goes, I'm
Speaker 1: tired of basically trying to get there. I'm now going
Speaker 1: to train ourselves on how to deal with it. So
Speaker 1: they've basically given up on this fingers cross hope that
Speaker 1: we can have five continuity guys every week. Now they're
Speaker 1: just cross training everyone to play guard, tackle, center and
Speaker 1: you know, wing tackle fullback mc govern style and just say, hey,
Speaker 1: that's because this is a reality. Well in history shows
Speaker 1: that's a good idea, right. Well. Yeah, to Nick's point,
Speaker 1: into Mike's point as well, is that they've won twenty
Speaker 1: five games being able to miss mixmatch guys. We have
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones on on Fridays on one oh five three
Speaker 1: the Fan. I've asked him the question because he always
Speaker 1: heard from him continuity, continuity, continuity, continuity. I said, how
Speaker 1: are you adapting to not having continuity? And he says,
Speaker 1: I really haven't. But that's what we are. That's the
Speaker 1: kind that's what we are right now as a team.
Speaker 1: And I think you have to in this day and age,
Speaker 1: you have to be able to mixmatch your guys and
Speaker 1: be able to win games. You can't sit there. This
Speaker 1: isn't nineteen seventy three with the same five guys played
Speaker 1: together for eight ten years. It just doesn't happen anymore.
Speaker 1: Whether it's free agency, whether it's injury, you just don't
Speaker 1: have that. You don't have that luxury. And you know,
Speaker 1: I applaud them for being able to say, Okay, we
Speaker 1: can move guys around. The one that bothers me when
Speaker 1: you start talking moving guys around is I think that
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith is your left tackle. So moving him to
Speaker 1: guard and moving him back and forth, that to me
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like he's the one guy that I would
Speaker 1: keep at left tackle and say, Okay, this is my
Speaker 1: future going forward. You know, I'll cross train everybody else
Speaker 1: to play positions, but you know, him maybe steal the
Speaker 1: same way. My question, is it? Sorry, I disagree with that,
Speaker 1: just because I think he's gonna have a ten year
Speaker 1: career and I'm not worried about the first couple of years,
Speaker 1: just trying to get through this year. If if that
Speaker 1: is the five best, I mean, I get it, he's
Speaker 1: gonna play left tackle. That's a spot. But if if
Speaker 1: if I can't figure out my left guard and I've
Speaker 1: got him there and I've got a pretty good back
Speaker 1: up and I know he can play it, then I
Speaker 1: would I would consider it, but but not forever. You know,
Speaker 1: I think if Tyran was five years younger and then
Speaker 1: you've got three really good tackles, you got to figure
Speaker 1: that out. But because it's like Tyler Tyrant is just
Speaker 1: kind of hanging on, I mean, I'd rather play them
Speaker 1: at left tackle, but and draft at left guard. That's
Speaker 1: what I want to do, right But if, if not,
Speaker 1: if your five best guys is it includes Tyler Smith
Speaker 1: playing left guard, I would be okay with it, knowing
Speaker 1: that it's not forever. Yeah. The thing the thing that
Speaker 1: I do know, and I think we all know, and
Speaker 1: I think Cowboy fans know this too. You give them
Speaker 1: the opportunity to draft an offensive lineman late in a draft.
Speaker 1: It works out for them late in the first round,
Speaker 1: late in the first round, like the first round. It's
Speaker 1: a plug and play. I mean, it is an automatic
Speaker 1: plug and play for them, and it works out. It's
Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, you say, well,
Speaker 1: tell me about how the Cowboys draft. Get them picking
Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty eight and let them draft an
Speaker 1: offensive lineman. That's sure of a thing that they have
Speaker 1: right now. So to me, they'll have that opportunity. They'll
Speaker 1: have that opportunity to say, you know what, we're gonna
Speaker 1: we're gonna help Dak Prescott because they've they've made it,
Speaker 1: they've made it a point to say offensive line first.
Speaker 1: They haven't you know, they haven't said, Hey Nick, we're
Speaker 1: gonna draft your wide receiver at twenty six. Hey Brian,
Speaker 1: we're gonna draft your running back at twenty six. They
Speaker 1: haven't said that. They're talking about what they need to
Speaker 1: do to keep Dak Prescott on the field for twenty games.
Speaker 1: Love it, that's what they're talking about. Let's go ahead
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Speaker 1: before we change topics, let's just keep talking about the
Speaker 1: offense a little bit and getting to Mike McCarthy as
Speaker 1: the play caller. That is something that I kind of
Speaker 1: was talked about quite a lot at the owners meeting.
Speaker 1: He spoke on just how the offense is gonna look
Speaker 1: not much different from what it's been, but also you
Speaker 1: are going to see some changes. So what are y'all
Speaker 1: expectations of what this actually gonna look like with Mike
Speaker 1: calling the plays? Now? You know, I think it's hard
Speaker 1: to say that right now, because you know, and Brian
Speaker 1: says this all the time, it's coaches, you've got to
Speaker 1: know your team. You've got to really know what you've
Speaker 1: got so you can have a philosophy. You can say
Speaker 1: that this is going to be what I want to do.
Speaker 1: But let's see what happens in the draft. Let's see
Speaker 1: what they get. Let's they could say, we're going to
Speaker 1: have a ball control West Coast offense, passed short passing
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and then you draft the three
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty pound left guard and then you pick
Speaker 1: another running back up who's two hundred and thirty pounds,
Speaker 1: and you're like, you know what, we might be a
Speaker 1: different offense. And so I'm not trying to avoid the question,
Speaker 1: but I do think that the smartest coaches are the
Speaker 1: ones that fit their personnel into the scheme, or i'm sorry,
Speaker 1: fit the scheme around the personnel. And I we're still
Speaker 1: not all the way there yet, so I still think
Speaker 1: it's a work in progress. There's an old Bob Seger
Speaker 1: song and bar Way before Your Time. I've not even
Speaker 1: Bob Seger in the Silver Bullet Band. He had a
Speaker 1: line in the song he said, working on mysteries without
Speaker 1: any clues. That was one of the lines of his songs.
Speaker 1: And I think we're kind of there right now. I
Speaker 1: think we're working on mysteries without any clues and to me,
Speaker 1: it's you know, this is one of those things if
Speaker 1: you if we have to do June Radio where you know,
Speaker 1: you guys make predictions and tell me something that's gonna
Speaker 1: happen in this preseason, and and I would say week six,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarty, Week six, Brian Schottenheimer calls starts to call
Speaker 1: plays that would be one of my crazy throw it
Speaker 1: out their predictions, you know, like Nick loves it when
Speaker 1: you throw out like a crazy prediction, like the ball
Speaker 1: is gonna bounce off someone's head and it's gonna catch
Speaker 1: it and they're gonna win the game, you know, and
Speaker 1: Nick loves that. I'm about, I'm about that's I'm about
Speaker 1: I'm one of them. Yeah. So see that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of where the June prediction for Brian Bross is that
Speaker 1: that by week six, Brian Schottenheimer's gonna take Why though,
Speaker 1: yeah why what what happens? You gotta wait till June
Speaker 1: to figure it out. But I'm just getting tell me
Speaker 1: what happens in week five. Then I think week five
Speaker 1: is not going to be good. See That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I think there's going to be some times where, like
Speaker 1: you know, all of a sudden, you know, they're they're
Speaker 1: going to maybe have a cup of rough patches, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a couple of games where we come
Speaker 1: on here and go, damn, we miss Kellen Moore here,
Speaker 1: don't we a little bit? You know, and you're just
Speaker 1: kind of throwing it because the defense plays its ass
Speaker 1: off and you lose a game. You lose a game
Speaker 1: twenty four to twenty. Wanting to hear at this point,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying. There's but see, there's there's
Speaker 1: so many questions. We don't know, we don't know what
Speaker 1: how much? What do you think Mike would struggle with
Speaker 1: the most as the play caller? I think I think
Speaker 1: when when you haven't done it for a while, there's
Speaker 1: a certain rhythm to a game, and maybe it's gonna
Speaker 1: take him some time to get in that rhythm of
Speaker 1: that game. He's also the head coach. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: guys that are able to do this. I mean, there
Speaker 1: are some play callers, and I'd like to see the teams.
Speaker 1: You know, how how do teams that have the head
Speaker 1: coach as the primary play car how do they manage games?
Speaker 1: Are they a team that blows games? Because they don't
Speaker 1: they don't keep up with the situations in the game.
Speaker 1: I just think it's Mike McCarthy. He has so much
Speaker 1: faith in Brian Schottenheimer. And if you talk to people
Speaker 1: around the league, there's a lot of people that really
Speaker 1: do respect Brian Schottenheimer. Really do I mean. And there's
Speaker 1: defensive players on this current team that respect Brian Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: because he was the guy in the Ben McAdoo role
Speaker 1: that was telling him, Hey, this week, you gotta watch
Speaker 1: what the Eagles do in this this RPO, Hey you
Speaker 1: gotta watch what the Commanders do when they get in
Speaker 1: this set. You know, there's defensive players that will tell
Speaker 1: you that Brian Schottenheimer was one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: they played some better defense this year. So I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I just think there's going to be a time where
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy is going to look at this and he's
Speaker 1: going to go, is some of my game management stuff slipping?
Speaker 1: And do I trust? Do I trust this guy to
Speaker 1: call the plays? I think that's it's gonna be one
Speaker 1: of those tipping points where maybe a game or two
Speaker 1: doesn't go their way, and it's something that he needed
Speaker 1: to be on top of you know, And that's a
Speaker 1: good point too. And and we were both here in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three when when when but Parcels was
Speaker 1: here and Sean Payton was was you know, the quarterbacks
Speaker 1: coach and then you know, I guess offensive coordinator at
Speaker 1: some point, but no one knew who called the place.
Speaker 1: I mean really you didn't. And I think what was
Speaker 1: happening from what we kind of heard is that, yeah,
Speaker 1: call the play, but I want to run Marian Barber
Speaker 1: here to the left side. So you got about four
Speaker 1: on your sheet, pick one, but you know, so who's
Speaker 1: calling the play as I mean, you were calling the play,
Speaker 1: you know, So that might be a situation too where
Speaker 1: McCarthy was just like, you know, let's let's run the
Speaker 1: ball four times and let's let's let you know, let's
Speaker 1: let Pollard have it or or whoever Ronald Jones or
Speaker 1: draft pick. Yeah you see, yeah, you know there this
Speaker 1: could be. This could be like riding a bike from
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy. You could absolutely do. I think though, that
Speaker 1: he's gonna have there's going to be a certain rhythm
Speaker 1: that they're going to have to and how much are
Speaker 1: you going to be a to get into a rhythm
Speaker 1: during these games in the preseason. You know, we're all
Speaker 1: terrified of injury. We all walk around in Oxnard and
Speaker 1: you know, in the beautiful weather, and then someone's laying
Speaker 1: on the field and we just immediately just all go,
Speaker 1: oh no, the season's over, you know. And that's and
Speaker 1: that's where I think that's where I think Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: helped Kellen Moore when Dak went down. I think I
Speaker 1: think Mike McCarthy said, listen, bro, we have to do
Speaker 1: something different here. All these things that you have on
Speaker 1: that left side of that call sheet of yours, you
Speaker 1: might want to think about the little right side a
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit more, think about that. You know.
Speaker 1: I think there's some things, some suggestions and stuff that
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy gave. But there is a lot of confidence
Speaker 1: on the staff with Brian Schottenheimer, and you know, we
Speaker 1: we've you know, we'll see, we'll see. We have memories
Speaker 1: of Brian Schottenheimer in Seattle and we think of his dad,
Speaker 1: Marty Schottenheimer, with Ladanian, Tomlinson and you know, Christian Nicoya
Speaker 1: and that just you know, running the ball with these
Speaker 1: mammoth but hemoth, you know backs, that's what we think about,
Speaker 1: right Nick, I mean, do you think of Marty shot
Speaker 1: and you know you think of the you think of
Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns with you know, with big backs just
Speaker 1: you know Ber yeah, Ernest Biner, yeah, Mac Yeah. So
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. We we don't we don't know
Speaker 1: right now. But there's a there's a there's a side
Speaker 1: of me that thinking week six, there's gonna be maybe
Speaker 1: two or weeks where something got away attention to detail,
Speaker 1: and now we need to focus back and then and
Speaker 1: Nick's point is who calls the plays? Whose lips are
Speaker 1: moving when you know the play goes in. You know,
Speaker 1: when you when you listen to everything, it's like you've
Speaker 1: heard them say. You've heard McCarthy say this offseason, you
Speaker 1: know we're gonna run the ball a lot. You've heard
Speaker 1: heard him say it's all about pass protection. You're gonna
Speaker 1: throw it. Um, there's seventeen games in the season. There's
Speaker 1: gonna be a game where thirty five points won't win it.
Speaker 1: You've got to score points. There's gonna be game seventeen
Speaker 1: win it. We saw it last year. Every game takes
Speaker 1: on a life of its own, and you've got to
Speaker 1: be able to win it certain ways. That's why I
Speaker 1: always say about the bus driver, I want Dak to
Speaker 1: be a bus driver. I want him to be a
Speaker 1: badass bus driver, though, I want to be a bus
Speaker 1: driver that can that can get it in the hov lane,
Speaker 1: then take off if you need to, but also go
Speaker 1: you know, go twenty when you when you need to
Speaker 1: as well. That's what a game manager is. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: have to step on the gas, sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: pull back, and I think you have to figure out
Speaker 1: ways to win in multiple ways. And so that's you know,
Speaker 1: if it's just gonna be a running team, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a passing team. Maybe, But I mean, nobody's ever
Speaker 1: won a game in March in the NFL or lost
Speaker 1: a game. So that's why you don't play games. Right now.
Speaker 1: You can say Terrence Steel's gonna do this and this
Speaker 1: and this, and at the end of the day, Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele's gonna play right tackle. That's what I believe. I
Speaker 1: think he's going to play tackle for the Cowboys. I
Speaker 1: don't know right tackle, leftock, probably right tackle. But if
Speaker 1: he's healthy, he's playing because I think he's one of
Speaker 1: your five best. I guess we'll we'll see, we'll see. Yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good thought, and I agree with However, I
Speaker 1: think I'm looking forward to seeing Mike McCarthy called in
Speaker 1: place and seeing how that what that looks like. But
Speaker 1: I do think you're onto something about you know, you
Speaker 1: working It's just like working out a muscle or working
Speaker 1: out anything, anything that you haven't done in a while.
Speaker 1: Explaining that to maybe working out what is that. It's
Speaker 1: gonna take a little bit of time to kind of
Speaker 1: get the rhythm going. Let's take our final break. When
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Speaker 1: was doing classical music. But his his music catalog is huge.
Speaker 1: And he came on stage one Danny goes, folks, you
Speaker 1: know I've been working on this classical stuff. At night,
Speaker 1: I'm playing all the damn hits, And he did he
Speaker 1: played twenty some odd straight songs. And if I always
Speaker 1: judge a concert, if you could go to it, you
Speaker 1: could sing eighteen of the twenty five songs that they play,
Speaker 1: if you can just just belt them out and be
Speaker 1: bad at it. Billy Joel did it that night form.
Speaker 1: You did it for the Backstreet Boy. I did. I
Speaker 1: did for the that the that the Miller lights that
Speaker 1: we were pounding that that No, that was a really fun.
Speaker 1: That was fun. That was fun if you could go
Speaker 1: with a group of people and laugh at yourself for
Speaker 1: singing every I don't know the words of the song,
Speaker 1: but I was acting like I did. I think it
Speaker 1: was the Miller light that helped me that night. I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know any Backfeet Boy song. Everyone
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Speaker 1: All right, Well all right, Brian, real quick count count
Speaker 1: to three for me, Real quick count of three, one two, three,
Speaker 1: count of three. One of those days. Okay, So that's
Speaker 1: my point. That's how you count. You count one, two
Speaker 1: and three. You don't count zero one two. I hate it,
Speaker 1: I absolutely I hate this change. But it's happening in basketball.
Speaker 1: It happened about I was wondering where you were going. Okay,
Speaker 1: I just think it's it's a zero. I told my
Speaker 1: son you you're not wearing zero for soccer. You're just
Speaker 1: not doing it. You wear any other number, there's not
Speaker 1: because that's a that's you're a zero. You're you're nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean, what if your bank account was zero? Is
Speaker 1: that good? I mean, like zero. I just hate it
Speaker 1: as a number. I don't like it, but it's happening.
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna do it for the Cowboys. Good fight between
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons and jay Ron Curse I saw on Twitter
Speaker 1: they're both kind of going at it. Um. I like
Speaker 1: Curse to win that one. Who's Yeah, who's Jersey Bill?
Speaker 1: We've seen there's a history of this whose Jersey Bill
Speaker 1: to pay off Micah? Micah by far right and he
Speaker 1: doesn't have that second contract yet. That thing is that
Speaker 1: thing if Jalen Smith, if Jalen Smith Jersey Bill was
Speaker 1: well into six figures, what do you think Micah Parsons
Speaker 1: Jersey well is? I think it's you have to buy
Speaker 1: them all out right? Yeah? But but then again, I mean,
Speaker 1: let's be honest. You go to the games, you see
Speaker 1: a lot of Micah Parsons. His stuff's getting sold, right.
Speaker 1: The Cowboy's whipped on that one with with with Jaylen Smith.
Speaker 1: I mean, they just weren't buying his jersey. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot more out there. But I still think there's
Speaker 1: I still think it's gonna be a hefty bill for
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons to do. I don't make more money off
Speaker 1: of Jalen by selling Yeah, I don't think that's happening.
Speaker 1: I mean I think it would be probably. I know
Speaker 1: j Ron Curse has been trying to get into single digits.
Speaker 1: And you know what the rule changes did yesterday. It
Speaker 1: really helped out the equipment managers around the league because
Speaker 1: it was a big problem happening because everybody wants a
Speaker 1: single digit But they didn't change the quarterback or the
Speaker 1: kicker rule. So they didn't change quarterback either. But so
Speaker 1: from one to nineteen, you have to get your quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you gotta get your kickers and punters, and then you
Speaker 1: gotta get everyone else that wants these these numbers. And
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys it's even worse because eight and twelve
Speaker 1: are off the table, not happening offense or defense not happening.
Speaker 1: So they added a zero and then they and then
Speaker 1: I also said the kickers can now move up into
Speaker 1: the third up into forties and even in the nineties,
Speaker 1: which won't happen. So you can see a lot of
Speaker 1: kickers wearing like forty six. That's just the way it is.
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember, I remember going back way back
Speaker 1: in the day, way back in the day. Is like
Speaker 1: Jim Otto with the Oakland Raiders. He was a Siner,
Speaker 1: so his name is O. T. T O. He wore
Speaker 1: double zero. You know. Jim Otto was like an All
Speaker 1: Pro center. Ken Burrow was a wide receiver with the
Speaker 1: Houston Oilers. He wore double zero. And then there was
Speaker 1: the change. They've had it those guys. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know when the rule changed, but
Speaker 1: growing up as a kid, those guys wore double zero
Speaker 1: double I always have never had a zero right now,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. But and I also remember, I
Speaker 1: also remember, like there was a punter named Walton that
Speaker 1: wore number thirty nine for the Steelers. So they've had
Speaker 1: the league has had numbers that don't that, don't you know,
Speaker 1: Mesh he probably played guard one time, right, but like
Speaker 1: I said, it was you know, they're they're they're foot
Speaker 1: like you see college kickers. A lot of these college
Speaker 1: kickers have ninety numbers, ninety nine, ninety eight, ninety seven.
Speaker 1: You know that that's that's but those are primary numbers
Speaker 1: for your defensive linement. But then you got defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: I'm watching all this draft tape and I'm watching number
Speaker 1: twenty four twenty one. Is this twenty number stretched into
Speaker 1: this massive, you know, three hundred and twenty five pound guy.
Speaker 1: That's just you know, it's just like it's painted on
Speaker 1: him kind of the thing. But that's what it is.
Speaker 1: I mean, these these these player there's these defensive linemen,
Speaker 1: they were like number five, number eight, you know, they
Speaker 1: were these crazy numbers. And you're like, no, that doesn't
Speaker 1: that doesn't look right. And and that goes to show
Speaker 1: just when you're asking what happened at the owner's meetings,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's what everyone's talking about, and um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's all over looks like my name, Um but um,
Speaker 1: but you know you're seeing all these all these you know,
Speaker 1: all these stories about the zero that that is not
Speaker 1: going to change the game at all, That doesn't affect
Speaker 1: the game. There's nine rule changes, some of the will
Speaker 1: but the one that everyone is not going to make
Speaker 1: any difference in the game, which is which is good.
Speaker 1: I mean that just goes to show that well, there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of crazy rule changes. Yeah. The funny, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the owners had a good time there at the Biltmore,
Speaker 1: I think is what you're saying right there. The the
Speaker 1: thing about Dion Sanders said something pretty funny. He was
Speaker 1: talking about Jersey numbers and how you earn Jersey numbers
Speaker 1: and were all the zeros and stuff like that. He goes,
Speaker 1: if you're a guy in college that used to have
Speaker 1: a double, if you were a double number guy like
Speaker 1: a double like you, you shared a number with somebody else. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you ain't playing right. You're you're a scrub. You ain't.
Speaker 1: I mean he didn't use the word scrub, but I
Speaker 1: mean you're you're not. If you had your number was
Speaker 1: with somebody else's number, you probably were the guy that
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna play. It happens here too, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it happens with the Cowboys. Also. If they give you
Speaker 1: seventy four in training camp, not good. Yeah, yeah, not good.
Speaker 1: Well if you keep it, yeah, if you make the team,
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear Yeah, you're gonna end up getting another
Speaker 1: number for sure. But and you know what, are you
Speaker 1: surprised how quickly they gave away Zeke's number at twenty
Speaker 1: one lasted all of like it wasn't even it was
Speaker 1: still warm. I was surprised. I was surprised, not that
Speaker 1: I didn't expected eventually, but how quake that happened. That
Speaker 1: thing went like, okay, well, let's clean out his locker there,
Speaker 1: you know, they're Bucky's boxing up everything, and the next
Speaker 1: thing you know, it's boom, here's a new twenty one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the reason why it goes back to the single digits.
Speaker 1: He wanted a single digit and it's like, we don't
Speaker 1: have anything yet. And then it was Cook's one of
Speaker 1: a single digit curse wants a single digit. I think
Speaker 1: Nishan Wright wants a single day and it's like okay,
Speaker 1: you know. So so it was like I'll take twenty one,
Speaker 1: like okay, twenty one, and you know, and and then
Speaker 1: number three, I mean Anthony Brown, he's an unrestricted free agent.
Speaker 1: I guess he's he's definitely not coming back now. You know,
Speaker 1: they gave his number away, which that writing was on
Speaker 1: the wall there. They traded for Gilmore. He's he struggled
Speaker 1: the last year before his injury. Then he got hurt.
Speaker 1: You know two things that was really wrong about last
Speaker 1: season was him having a breakout because I thought him
Speaker 1: and Armstrong were gonna be breakout guys. I thought I
Speaker 1: thought Anthony Brown was gonna be what dron Bland was
Speaker 1: this year for your team. Him and then the thing
Speaker 1: about Terrence Steele. You know those are the two ones.
Speaker 1: Those are those June all right, make a prediction things
Speaker 1: you know sure to go wrong. He said Door and
Speaker 1: Armstrong would have a breakout here. Yeah he was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was one of the him. But I thought Brown,
Speaker 1: I thought round was going to be. I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to be Bland the interceptions and making plays
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. The thing about going back to
Speaker 1: let's go let's glass half full, the door's Armstrong. I mean,
Speaker 1: here's a guy that had eight eight sacks, blocked a punt,
Speaker 1: blocked a field goal. I mean there's no one in
Speaker 1: the league doing that, and that that goes the number one,
Speaker 1: that goes this guy can get to the quarterback and
Speaker 1: make plays. Number two. He also is willing and good
Speaker 1: at special teams. You don't see a lot of guys
Speaker 1: getting eight sacks that are also like, yeah, coach, I'll
Speaker 1: put me in on special teams. Yeah. So that's that's
Speaker 1: a weapon right there, having a guy like that that
Speaker 1: can that can dip underneath and block punts and field
Speaker 1: goals and stuff like that and then also play on defense.
Speaker 1: Can I ask a real quick question, do you guys
Speaker 1: feel like that they're set at edge, that they're set
Speaker 1: at defensive end? Because you know, in the draft, we're
Speaker 1: always talking about, oh, would they take yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: would they take Nolan Smith a defensive end from if
Speaker 1: he would if he were to fall. He's one of
Speaker 1: the best testing defensive ends. He's a really really good player.
Speaker 1: But would you do you think that they're set at
Speaker 1: defensive end to the point that they wouldn't draft one
Speaker 1: at twenty six? I think teams I think that, and
Speaker 1: I think that when you look at like what the
Speaker 1: Giants did fifteen years ago, I don't think anyone is
Speaker 1: ever set at defensive end because if a pass rusher
Speaker 1: is there. I just remember the Giants going, yeah, we
Speaker 1: have Ocumanora, we have straight hand, we have Tuck and
Speaker 1: then you know Kiwanuka was there or whatever. They're like,
Speaker 1: take them, you know, or you know, or know the
Speaker 1: JPP was there and they're like, we're still we're going
Speaker 1: to take him. You always will take more defensive. So
Speaker 1: I don't think teams would ever say they were set it.
Speaker 1: See I just wondered. But you know with Fouler, you know,
Speaker 1: coming back and then Armstrong and then you you know,
Speaker 1: you got all these get your deal for Fouler right right,
Speaker 1: Armstrong's done after this year, Parsons, So maybe maybe it's there.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're it's the same thing with the corner.
Speaker 1: It's the same way. That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: They're so I feel like there are several positions that
Speaker 1: we've talked of talk about on hearing. We're like take him,
Speaker 1: take him. But so I was gonna ask you guys
Speaker 1: real quick, what would be those main positions where you
Speaker 1: are like, definitely take the guy. Because we talked about
Speaker 1: I want guarden, I want a guarder tackle, I want
Speaker 1: another Tyler Smith and just so let keep giving me
Speaker 1: big guys in the front. That's what I want that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that will mess things up or
Speaker 1: make things better really, but I mean the guard makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense. Yeah. The one thing I could said.
Speaker 1: I said very early in the show that you can
Speaker 1: let them draft a late round, first round offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: It's usually a plug and play guy and there and
Speaker 1: they have no problem with that. They have no problem
Speaker 1: with that. So if that's the thing, you know, take
Speaker 1: that position and then move on in the second round
Speaker 1: and go from there. You know, start your draft off
Speaker 1: is something, you know, get a good, solid pick and
Speaker 1: then and then do some damage from that point on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if and if if Tyran Smith stays healthy, and
Speaker 1: if Tyler Smith is good at left tackle and they
Speaker 1: have a guard steals healthy and all that, Terrence Steele
Speaker 1: is going to wear out the ref when he comes
Speaker 1: in every play he says, seventy eight is reporting eligible
Speaker 1: and that is your blocking tight end, and that you're
Speaker 1: just going to have six offensive linement and just steamroll people.
Speaker 1: That that's not the worst thing in the world. That
Speaker 1: could happen too. So if you have this luxury of
Speaker 1: offensive linemen, then Terrence Steele can play play that. I
Speaker 1: would draft a guard just to keep Terrence Steele from
Speaker 1: having to play guard, because I think he's that good
Speaker 1: at tackle. I do too. But the top position, if
Speaker 1: still available, running back man don't get me started, because
Speaker 1: what happens is what happens. I get. I think Bjean Robertson,
Speaker 1: the running back from Texas, is one of the best
Speaker 1: players in the draft, regardless of position. I get in
Speaker 1: discussions with folks about this all the time. You know,
Speaker 1: you can't take a running back. You can't take a
Speaker 1: running back running backs career, you can't take a running back.
Speaker 1: I think Steven Jones said it, well, there's a difference
Speaker 1: between taking a running back at four and taking one
Speaker 1: at twenty six. There is a difference there. I think
Speaker 1: you just take if that player right there, it's b
Speaker 1: Jean Robinson can help your team immensely. Now I will
Speaker 1: all say to say this, and we're about to do
Speaker 1: the Draft show after this one. Rounds one through five.
Speaker 1: There are some quality running backs in this draft. So
Speaker 1: if you had the argument and you want to say, well, Brian,
Speaker 1: I don't need to take one in the first round,
Speaker 1: I would say, okay, fair too. And there's been some
Speaker 1: drafts where you can't say that, this one you can
Speaker 1: absolutely all right. And with that, I mean we didn't
Speaker 1: even get to the rules, but there's really not much
Speaker 1: going on there. The only one that was those fourth
Speaker 1: down Yeah, I failed. Fourth down at tim is now
Speaker 1: reviewable by the officials up top, just like a scoring
Speaker 1: play or a touchdown. That that was kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: They did not they did not vote for the on
Speaker 1: side kick. UM had a good time there to build more,
Speaker 1: don't there? Yeah? Yeah, well I don't think so. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, let's this is Cowboys talk here and all
Speaker 1: that Cowboys break, uh, you know, Washington, Baltimore, Green Bay,
Speaker 1: Little those stories, storylines kind of took over everything else,
Speaker 1: which is nice. It was good, all right, And with
Speaker 1: that we end the show. The cucumber water good, Nick,
Speaker 1: you try strawberry water or cucumber water. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: camber water. That's right. Refreshing, It is very refreshing. Stake
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