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Speaker 2: Steven Tolbert joining us right now on FT, one of

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Speaker 2: the star hosts of Hammer Territory, the most downloaded podcast

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Speaker 2: for Atlanta Braves coverage. Stephen. Great to have you on,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of news to cover with this ball club,

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Speaker 2: and it's not great news. So let's start at the top.

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Speaker 2: Soon after our show ended, we found out yesterday that

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Speaker 2: with the fractured elbow. What else can you tell us

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's up, guys? So Spencer today, he did a

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Speaker 1: really know the cause. The term they used was freak injury,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty on brand for how the Brave season

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Speaker 1: He said, you know, it's a broken bone, and it's

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Speaker 1: The general consensus was about four to six weeks, so

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Speaker 3: Some of the things people were saying about Spencer Schwellenbach

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Speaker 3: and Spencer Schwellenbach said, well, I think it actually attributed

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Speaker 3: You also see Spencer Stryder. All they're worried about is

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Speaker 3: it didn't work? Out when his velocity was down. I

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Speaker 1: Well, the thing with Schwellenbach is the velocity was relatively new.

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Speaker 1: I don't, I don't you know every team in baseball

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Speaker 1: That's why it happened. It was more of a Spencer

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Speaker 5: I want to go back to what you said about Ozuna.

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Speaker 5: How do you have a hip torn for this June third?

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Speaker 5: And whose fault is that that he's playing it Ozuna's fault?

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Speaker 1: This may be the most frustrating part for Braise fans

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Speaker 1: right now. He's like, like there is no team set up.

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Speaker 1: No, I don't think they'll bring up. The Braves need

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Speaker 5: But let's go to that. You mentioned Murphy and Drake Baldwin.

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Speaker 5: not saying they'll trade him this year, but is that

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Speaker 5: We'll come in and say, hey, we'll take Sean off

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Speaker 3: It's rare, you're you're right, it's rare. I mean, it's

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Speaker 2: My thing is from a storyline perspective, as a fan

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: We've seen guys go down a notch, that's usually the case.

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Speaker 2: Rarely do they go.

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Speaker 6: Up a notch.

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Speaker 2: How much do they go down? So anyway, we'll see

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Speaker 2: what happens when Jerkson comes back for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the season. And he's not eligible for the postseason, so

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Speaker 2: that certainly hurts his case. If the Braves somehow we're

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Speaker 2: on his deal. Anyway, this was awesome. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for joining us, and we always appreciate what you're

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Speaker 2: doing over at Hammer Territory. The show's awesome, you know that,

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Speaker 2: it usually about four shows a week with Atlanta Braves coverage,

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Speaker 2: breaking news, the whole deal. Thank you again, Steven. Have

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys. Have a happy Fourth