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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace closing in reports of surfacing.

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Speaker 2: That the musician D four VD known as David David

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Speaker 2: Anthony Burke, is finally being viewed as a suspect in

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Speaker 2: Team Girl Celeste's murder, her body found in his Tesla trunk.

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Speaker 2: I missed more reports the killer had help dismembering.

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Speaker 1: The little girl. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us. Oh yo,

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Speaker 1: what way? Wait?

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Speaker 2: All?

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Speaker 3: Is that we don't even know really when when Celestia

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Speaker 3: was last scene alive.

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Speaker 2: We don't know how long she was dead for.

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Speaker 1: We don't know how Celeste died.

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Speaker 2: We know that she was dismembered, but how does she die?

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Speaker 3: It's obviously pretty homicide Reports emerging from sources within the

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Speaker 3: LA PD that musician David Anthony Burke aka D four

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Speaker 3: VD David.

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Speaker 1: Is finally being viewed as a suspect in the murder

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Speaker 1: of teen girls Celestes death.

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Speaker 2: As we all recall, her body found largely decomposed in

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Speaker 2: his trunk.

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Speaker 1: That vehicle moved and moved.

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Speaker 2: And moved from one spot to the next within a

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Speaker 2: ritzy neighborhood. Why because we know the owners of those

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Speaker 2: mega mansions would report the filthy car as being parked

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Speaker 2: outside their home.

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Speaker 1: So someone was moving and moving and moving.

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Speaker 2: Defour vd's tesla inside Celestes decomposing body.

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Speaker 1: What has changed? What has happened?

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Speaker 2: Why is defour VD David now reportedly being viewed as

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Speaker 2: a suspect, this result in murder charges? How can this

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Speaker 2: be without a toxicology report as of yet? But to

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Speaker 2: Dave Matt, crime stories, investigative report of what I consider

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Speaker 2: to be really validating what many court viewers knew. That

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Speaker 2: has not been officially announced.

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Speaker 1: Is the change in the timeline? Now we are learning.

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Speaker 2: That police sources believe Celeste was killed back in the

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Speaker 2: spring and Bob Shell tonight police also looking at a

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Speaker 2: road trip taken into a remote area by dfour VD

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Speaker 2: in the spring where he stayed in that remote area

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Speaker 2: for hours before returning back. I can only assume this

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Speaker 2: information is coming from his NAV system or is there

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Speaker 2: a rat within Burke's camp because tonight I definitely smell

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Speaker 2: a rat. Let's start at the beginning, Dave Matt, what

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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, we know that D four VD took a

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Speaker 4: trip to Santa Barbara County, which is about one hundred

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Speaker 4: miles from the house that he was renting, and taking

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Speaker 4: about two hours to drive. Okay, So he takes this

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Speaker 4: of this year, and he stays there for a couple

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Speaker 4: of hours. Now they say, remote area of Santa Barbara.

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Speaker 4: You've ever been to Santa Barbara. Remote area can include

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Speaker 4: probably eighty percent of the surrounding area, big area, and

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Speaker 4: a long time. He was there for hours. Now they're

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Speaker 4: also saying they believe I'm talking about the police investigation

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Speaker 4: is saying to this source they believe so Less died

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Speaker 4: sometime in the spring of twenty twenty five. So we

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Speaker 4: and we have them saying ce letst died in the

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Speaker 4: spring twenty twenty five. That's for starters, Nancy, this is

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Speaker 4: a bombshell.

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Speaker 1: That is major.

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Speaker 2: Dave mac I know that the headlines all across the

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Speaker 2: world are D four VD. David Anthony Burke is finally

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Speaker 1: LAPD is not confirming that.

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Speaker 2: To me, the real bombshell tonight is that we believe

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Speaker 2: she was killed back in the spring.

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Speaker 1: What efforts were being.

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Speaker 2: Taken by those within D four vd's camp to conceal

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Speaker 2: her death pretending she was still alive.

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Speaker 1: That's what we're looking at tonight. This is a major

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Speaker 1: change in the investigation.

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Speaker 2: Dave mac straight out to Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville State University,

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Speaker 2: author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon and start

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Speaker 2: of a hit new series, Body Bags, with Joe Scott

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Speaker 2: Morgan Joseph Scott Morgan joining US death investigator who has

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Speaker 2: investigated literally thousands of deaths, not just homicides, suicide, natural causes, accident, unexplained,

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Speaker 2: and of course homicide. This is very confusing to us

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Speaker 2: on the outside looking in, Joe Scott, But the reality is,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure the medical examiner, when she saw the remains

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Speaker 1: You know, we were working off a.

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Speaker 2: Timeline putting her alive as late as September. So what

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Speaker 2: would be the difference, Joe Scott, I know this is

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Speaker 2: a tough question. There's a lot of variables and decomposing body,

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Speaker 2: and guys, I'm sorry that we are talking so analytically

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Speaker 2: and clinically about a little girl, Celeste, but this is

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Speaker 2: what the trial will boil down to, if there ever

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Speaker 2: is a trial her decomposed remains, Joe Scott, if her

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Speaker 2: body had been decomposing since September as opposed to the

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Speaker 2: spring months before, what would be different when the medical

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Speaker 2: examiner opened those bags, I'll.

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Speaker 5: Tell you precisely. And this is one of the reasons

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Speaker 5: we still don't have a cause of death is the

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Speaker 5: fact that put this in as delicate terms as possible,

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Speaker 5: the tissue remaining on her body would have the consistency

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Speaker 5: perhaps of jello. All right, it will have broken down

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Speaker 5: to a point where some of her remains will have

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Speaker 5: been liquefied to that point if in fact, this new

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Speaker 5: timeline is in effect, and that's going to impact a

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Speaker 5: variety of different areas, like say, for instance, Nancy, we're

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Speaker 5: looking for soft tissue trauma like contusions, or even to

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Speaker 5: a certain degree, things like sharp edged weapons or even

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Speaker 5: bullet defects. That's going to compromise your ability to visualize

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Speaker 5: those things. So you have to be reliant and I

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Speaker 5: can let down.

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Speaker 1: Tell you slow down, Joe Scott. Yeah, can I put

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Speaker 1: it in regular people talk? Yeah, sure, I don't see it.

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Speaker 2: So much as jello is more like, come, did your

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Speaker 2: children ever make slime?

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Speaker 1: Slime is that gooey children make? It's a little thicker

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Speaker 1: than jello, but when you pick it up, it's good

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Speaker 2: I think what you're saying is that if her body

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Speaker 2: had been in that trunk since the spring, she would

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Speaker 2: be gelatinous like.

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Speaker 1: Yes, goo, and therefore, if she.

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Speaker 2: Had decomposed to that point you listed several things, I'd

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Speaker 2: like you to go back over it again, if you

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Speaker 2: don't mind. If that is a state of her remains,

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Speaker 2: how in the world can we find a knife mark,

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's all gone.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we retreat back to this idea of doing X rays,

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Speaker 5: and what you're going to be looking at, potentially, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: is insults to the underlying skeletal structure. Okay, So if

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Speaker 5: just like projectiles fired from a weapon, actually have a

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Speaker 5: this is to see if there's any kind of indwelling

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Speaker 5: trauma on the surface of the bony structures, and that

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Speaker 5: can easily be documented. Nancy, when they would have removed

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Speaker 5: these bags, and everybody needs to really grab hold of this,

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Speaker 5: they would have X rayed the contents of these bags

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Speaker 5: ever before, or they actually removed the remains from the

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Speaker 5: bags to this point.

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Speaker 1: Let me see him, Let me see him. Hold on.

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Speaker 2: So okay, here's another thing. Everybody on the panel, hear this.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, stay with me. According to a source within

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Speaker 2: the LAPD, it was obvious when they saw the bags

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Speaker 2: that she had been dismembered. Now we are left to

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Speaker 2: interpret that. So dismembered she was, according to the source. So,

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, you're telling me that when we get the

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Speaker 2: body to the morgue, and remember they likely take the

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Speaker 2: body out of the tazla loaded on to the morgue vehicle,

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Speaker 2: so it's getting jostled gets to the morgue, you're saying

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Speaker 2: before her remains are removed from the bag and or bags, Yep,

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Speaker 2: their X rayed in inside the bag.

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Speaker 5: Why inside? Because you don't want to lose anything, Nancy.

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Speaker 5: That bag is essentially all you have that's holding everything

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Speaker 5: together at that point. And I've had cases like this

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Speaker 5: where the bags have actually ruptured. That's that's a total

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Speaker 5: nightmare for you. And can I point out one more thing, Nancy,

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Speaker 5: because I was just talking about sharp force here and

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Speaker 5: I don't know that that's involved. I do know that

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Speaker 5: if we're talking about dismemberment, that sharp force posts them

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Speaker 5: mortem in the post mortem state, that means after death,

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Speaker 5: sharp force is involved in that. So this even further complicates,

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Speaker 5: you know, how do you delineate between what happened prior

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Speaker 5: to death and what we call the anti mortem state

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Speaker 5: and what happened after death in the post mortem state.

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Speaker 5: This just kind of doubles the problem here for La

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Speaker 5: County Corner. And they've got a great staff they see it.

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Speaker 2: I got to make a note of that, and I'm

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Speaker 2: going to come back to Joeanni Evis on how I

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Speaker 2: believe they're going to determine if it's post mortem dismember

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Speaker 1: While she's still alive.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I told Jasamella Raight, somebody is going to be singing,

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Speaker 2: if not tonight, in the near future, because we know,

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Speaker 2: according to the leak, he the killer did not do

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Speaker 2: this alone. He had have help dismembering the body. According

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Speaker 2: to the report in a state of her remains, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 2: if she is in fact dead since the spring, which

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Speaker 2: coincides with that late night trip out to the remote

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Speaker 1: You're going to have to have a witness.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have to have somebody raped. Now, that

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Speaker 2: would be the nature of her remains if she was

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Speaker 2: killed back in the spring. Okay, Now, how would it

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Speaker 2: differ if she was killed in September, which.

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Speaker 1: Is what we were led to believe.

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Speaker 2: And I want to tell you one of the reasons

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Speaker 2: we were led to believe that.

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Speaker 6: Listen from the time he was moved to that last spot,

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Speaker 6: which is on Bluebird. So on July twenty ninth, when

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Speaker 6: I saw those like eleven in the morning, later that

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Speaker 6: evening they begin the tour and they actually leave that

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Speaker 6: evening for San Francisco for the first show.

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Speaker 2: So there you go to Moses Castillo joining us private

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Speaker 2: investigator for the Dordoulian Law Group, former supervising detective from LAPD.

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Speaker 2: I bet they are spinning like a top over this

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Speaker 2: leak tonight. That's a whole other canon worms. That's their problem.

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned with the timeline. We were misled, not on purpose,

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Speaker 2: but because of when the car, the tesla was first

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Speaker 2: part on that street. That was a different date. It

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Speaker 2: was not back in the spring. It was much more recent,

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Speaker 2: and many people naturally assumed that is when the death occurred.

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Speaker 1: But we're wrong. We're wrong, And now we're learning.

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Speaker 2: That authorities believe this child was killed all the way

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Speaker 2: back in the spring. That changes everything.

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Speaker 7: Moses, Yes, absolute, Nancy. I think the police are going

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Speaker 7: way back to the very first time she was reported

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Speaker 7: missing and turned to establish a timeline, who saw her

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Speaker 7: during that time period, who saw her shortly thereafter, And

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Speaker 7: they're following every GPS data on that tesla and that's

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Speaker 7: how they found that area about Santa Barbara County.

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Speaker 2: What do you think about the league, Mosies Castillo, this

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Speaker 2: is your department. You were years with the LAPD. Why

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Speaker 2: is this leaking now?

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Speaker 7: Well, they want to share the pot, they want to

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Speaker 8: Shocking new information from Fisher Celeste was in contact with

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Speaker 1: That's evil. Dave mac nancy.

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Speaker 4: I think they went so far as to remember the

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Speaker 1: She You know what else, Dave mac all along.

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Speaker 2: There were people online saying that's not Celeste. But she

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Speaker 2: She is the author of Maintaining Phillies, Survival, Hope and

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Speaker 2: for being with us. That would be quite an elaborate

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Speaker 2: Well, also to you, Dave Mack joining US Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter, speaking of a cover up, did you see

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Speaker 2: the photos were just showing there was a lengthy track

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Speaker 4: From what we have found in looking into this investigation,

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Speaker 4: She's always got a hand up. There's always something blocking

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Speaker 1: Lot happening tonight.

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Speaker 2: The timeline change is a massive, massive difference than what

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Speaker 2: But Joanna Nievis, here's the thing, isn't it true? When

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Speaker 2: But when you have an elaborate cover up trying to

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Speaker 2: lot of people probably knew about that. That's not easy

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Speaker 1: If that is in fact true, that could be the

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Speaker 10: Up absolutely, Nancy. I think the thing is it would

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Speaker 10: Yes, because we still don't even know, like you were

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Speaker 10: If anything like that is found, we can still argue mutilation, transport,

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Speaker 8: The LAPED has been working on a timeline of activity

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Speaker 11: Bloody remains are found in a vehicle. Register to you

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Speaker 2: How can somebody put a then thirteen year old little

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Speaker 12: Not at all. My dad is a litigator for a

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Speaker 2: That is from and the writer is on a YouTube,

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Speaker 2: So I mean, think about it. To most of Castillo

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Speaker 7: So all that points to a consciousness of guilt in

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Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate that sermon. I do.

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Speaker 2: But what I'd like to point out, Moses Castillo, is

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Speaker 1: From the home. I heard that it's been professionally cleaned.

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Speaker 2: Evidence is gone to Joe Scott, Morgan's wining US Death

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Speaker 1: The dismemberment of a.

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Speaker 2: Does surveillance video around the home the mansion of David

441
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 2: Anthony Burke show the last time Celesto Reevas left his

442
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: home like Marie, did she walk in and get carried out?

443
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 2: And if so, when And this is not just about

444
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: Burke's video. What about neighbor's surveillance video. Don't forget his

445
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: tesla has three hundred and sixty degree cameras?

446
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: Who loaded her in the trunk?

447
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: Or has the info stick been removed from the car

448
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 2: and destroyed? Was the body dismembered in that mansion or

449
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 2: was it taken out too, for instance a remote area

450
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: outside Santa Barbara and dismembered to Joe Scott Morgan, don't

451
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: you think there would be evidence inside the mansion if

452
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 2: the body was dismembered there.

453
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we still don't know, you know what they

454
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 5: have found. And so here's here's what you're looking at

455
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 5: with dismemberment, Nancy. One of the things that's always left

456
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 5: behind is going to be obviously blood deposition. Now that

457
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 5: can either be with velocity. Say, I've worked cases involving

458
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:10,399
Speaker 5: like power tools, and it distributes much like a firearm would. Okay. Also,

459
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 5: you're going to have things elements like bone dust that

460
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 5: people don't think about, just like sawdust that's created with bone.

461
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 5: One thing that you do need, though, is you need privacy.

462
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 5: You need generally an electrical source unless you're using hand tools,

463
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 5: and you do not need to be bothered in any

464
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 5: way while you're doing this. The individuals that would have

465
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 5: been involved in this process would have also be covered

466
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: in tissue themselves. So it's a big, big mess. It's

467
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 5: even bigger, say, for instance, in cases we've covered where

468
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 5: it's a bludgeoning or just a straight up stabbing, because

469
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 5: now you're going even further. I think one of the

470
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 5: questions that I have was there a place that she

471
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: could have been taken, either in the post mortem state

472
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 5: or the anti mortem state to facilitate this, and also

473
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 5: if they had panicked, for instance, after they started this process,

474
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 5: if she was stowed in another location and then brought

475
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 5: back and the tesla happened to be the spot that

476
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: they landed on. Okay, we're gonna put her in the tesla.

477
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 5: After we've had her in this location, the body begins

478
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 5: to become foul. That can't keep her in the house

479
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 5: any longer or at some other isolated location where she

480
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: can be found. So there's a lot of movement that's

481
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 5: going on here, and it's going to be very very

482
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 5: difficult to track this The big thing is looking for

483
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 5: trace evidence back in that primary residence, and then if

484
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,959
Speaker 5: they can locate that location out in Santa Barbara County somewhere,

485
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 5: is there anything of value there that may have been

486
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: left behind?

487
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 2: You know, I've been thinking about the condition of her body.

488
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: Those mansion photos were from our friend Harvey Levin over

489
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 2: at TMZ. Imagine since soft tissue is the first thing

490
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 2: to go that, there's no way we're going to be

491
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: able to determine from the particia in her eye eyes

492
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 2: whether she was asphyxiated.

493
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Speaker 1: No way that's gone. Wouldn't you agree?

494
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, to a certain degree, I have seen partiki in

495
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: advanced decomposition. Nancy, I got to make a confession here.

496
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 5: There's something that's just like eating at me right now

497
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 5: that I'm thinking about what I'm really concerned about in

498
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 5: this case from a forensic standpoint, and that's going to

499
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 5: be her talks. How are you going to land on

500
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: an answer relative to talks? And if you can give

501
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 5: me a little latitude here. One of the things that

502
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,479
Speaker 5: we do in cases of advancy composition. You know how

503
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 5: we were talking about how the body begins to break down.

504
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: We talked about this kind of gelatinous state that the

505
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 5: body might be in. One of the things that's rather

506
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 5: robust that you can go to is actually the liver

507
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 5: and to a certain degree the brain as well. What

508
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: we do is that what remains of the liver and

509
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 5: the brain, we will take take samples of that and

510
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 5: literally spin it down to the point where it liquefies.

511
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 5: We can actually draw that up, Nancy and get what's

512
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: referred to as a qualitative finding, like were there any

513
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 5: drugs in her system? Talking meth coch you know the

514
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 5: standard panel that we run in the medical legal world.

515
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 5: Now here's the problem. You're not going to be able

516
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 5: to get a quantitative amount, you know, which is what

517
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 5: we're looking for. If we're thinking about OD for instance,

518
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 5: you can merely get a qualitative amount, and that says

519
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 5: that these drugs were present. And the question now is

520
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 5: how in the hell is a young girl like this

521
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 5: getting access to these substances that is under the direct

522
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 5: care of an individual that is an adult in her life. Remember,

523
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 5: she's not been with her family, so how is she

524
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 5: getting access to these trucks?

525
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: Okay, let me well, don't you just said harsh reality

526
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 2: is even in a body is for instance, mummified from

527
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: being out in the desert or in some other difficult terrain,

528
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: and the body literally dries up. The internal organs, such

529
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: as the liver, can be put in a blender with

530
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: some form of liquid such as sailine maybe centrila, and liquefied,

531
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 2: you basically making a smoothie out of the internal organs,

532
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: and from those organs, talks can be conducted. Toxicology lapse

533
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: can be conducted on that.

534
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: So even if her remains are.

535
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: As you said, Jello, if she's been dead since the spring,

536
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 2: even so that test can still be run. But you're

537
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: saying you can't get a quantitative amount, which is the

538
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: possibility of an overdose. You can't tell how much of

539
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: it is in her system. You can just determine it

540
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 2: is in her system. But you know, I got a

541
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: problem with what you're saying. Here's the problem to doctor

542
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: Jerlyn Utter. We keep hearing discussions of maybe she odd.

543
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: Why are we hearing that if this was an accidental

544
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: OD and anyone hoped to save her inside D four

545
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 2: BD's mansion, they would have.

546
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: Called nine one one.

547
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: We don't want to think she was intentionally murdered.

548
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: So we all come up with oh, it was likely.

549
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: An overdose, and they panicked and got rid of her body.

550
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: Excuse me, panicked and.

551
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 2: Dismembered her body and left it in a trunk. That's

552
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: not what people do when you want to save someone's life,

553
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 2: when someone has an accident. So reminiscent a little Kille

554
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: Anthony when topmham Casey Anthony wants us to believe Keilly

555
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: died in the pool and then her dad decide, oh,

556
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 2: let's just put her in a trash bag and throw

557
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: in a swamp. That's a great idea instead of trying

558
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 2: to revive her or have a funeral.

559
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 1: That's total bs. So why do we want to believe

560
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: this was an od because.

561
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 9: It feels better that way psychologically, Nancy, I mean, this

562
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 9: is D four, you know, VD or David whatever you

563
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 9: want to reference him as. He was somebody that was

564
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 9: coming up in the ranks. He was beloved, he had

565
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 9: a following. It feels better to have to think, oh,

566
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 9: this was an accident. I don't want to have to

567
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 9: wrap my head around the fact person that I love

568
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 9: and I admire and whose art or music I like did.

569
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: Something like that.

570
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 9: The other thing, when it comes to overdose, to your point,

571
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 9: if she had an accidental overdose, you would think that

572
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 9: people would would rush right away to call the police. Sadly,

573
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 9: you know, we don't need it as often as we'd

574
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 9: like to see it because people panic, and usually what

575
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 9: they'll do is they might drive to an emergency room

576
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 9: and just kind of drop someone off, or they might

577
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 9: move her while she's still alive and overdose and put

578
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 9: her on the side what sidewalk and call. To your point,

579
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 9: the fact that we moved to dismemberment really just you know,

580
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 9: it kind of makes you think, hey, maybe there was

581
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 9: more fail play, not just simply an overdose your earlier question.

582
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 9: We believe that people are capable of doing evil, terrible things,

583
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 9: and again, someone who was an artist that was coming

584
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 9: up through the ranks. Another thing we want to think

585
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 9: of is she is a child. She is a minor.

586
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 9: So there's so many layers to self protection, self preservation

587
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 9: and protecting his image potentially that are involved in a

588
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 9: case like this. But to your point, if it wasn't overdose,

589
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 9: there were ten million other things that could have been

590
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,439
Speaker 9: done to protect quote unquote him in his camp while

591
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 9: also trying to get this young child help.

592
00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 8: Shocking information uncovered by the LAPD has the investigation spotlight

593
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 8: finally pointing on Burke. Investigators have developed new information that

594
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 8: leads them to believe Celeste likely died in the spring

595
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 8: of this year, and the death is being tentatively treated

596
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 8: as possible homicide, but officials are waiting on an official

597
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 8: cause of death from the medical examiner.

598
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: All I need is one witness, one witness to crack

599
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: one of Burke's insiders to tell the truth about the

600
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 2: night Celeste dying.

601
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: We will get answers as to what happened to Celeste.

602
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: To read us bombshell tonight. According to sources within the

603
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: lap D D four VD aka David Anthony Burke, known

604
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 2: as David as a musician, is finally finally being considered

605
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: as a suspect in the death of a little girl,

606
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: teen girls Celeste found decomposing in his vehicle. The bombshell,

607
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: not that he's being considered a suspect. Reportedly, many people

608
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 2: already considered him a suspect or at least a POI

609
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: person of interest, but.

610
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,240
Speaker 1: The time law this is a seismic shift.

611
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: Now we are learning police believe this little girl died

612
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,839
Speaker 2: back in the spring, not in the fall, not in

613
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: September when her body was found, but many many months

614
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: before that. I'm going to circle back to Joe Scott

615
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 2: Morgan with the possibilities she was dismembered in the desert, outside,

616
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: in the terrain outside Santa Barbara, and what that would

617
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: mean forensically, if dirt or soil could be found in

618
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: that Tesla trunk from that area, what would that prove.

619
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 2: But here's one of the reasons the timeline was off.

620
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 8: It's a little weird to see a car that I

621
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 8: haven't seen here for a long time, had a big

622
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 8: dent on it had a Texas plate on it, so

623
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 8: all a little odd. One neighbor says. The distinct looking

624
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 8: Tesla was parked on the street for some time in

625
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 8: front of the house that was searched, and later in

626
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 8: two other spots on the street. The vehicle stood out

627
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 8: because it has Texas plate and a big dent.

628
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 2: From our friends at WABC.

629
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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

630
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 2: Back out to Dave mac Crime Stories investigative reporter, this

631
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: is a seismic shift the timeline, and it opens up

632
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 2: the possibility that there was not just a murder a

633
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: cover up, but a very long cover up that lasted

634
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: for months and was quite elaborate, suggesting that Celeste was

635
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 2: still alive, thereby hiding the fact that she was dead

636
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: and dismembered. So, Dave mac regarding the cover up, regarding

637
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: the trip out into a remote area, You've studied the map.

638
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: What area are they referring to? What is the.

639
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 2: Most obvious remote area outside Santa Barbara.

640
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 4: The one I'm looking at, Nancy, is a st Valley,

641
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,919
Speaker 4: which is a terrain that is it's difficult to drive

642
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: it far in. You're going to do a lot of

643
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 4: hiking to get around there. It's underdeveloped, and it is

644
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: an area that really and truly could be a place

645
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,240
Speaker 4: where you could be left alone for a long long time.

646
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 4: But Nancy, I want you mentioned the cover up. Okay,

647
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 4: think about this when you're looking that long game that

648
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 4: includes the staged Celeste look alike at the concert in August.

649
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 4: Think about his new album Withard was coming out April

650
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: to twenty fifth. They're not saying Celeste was dead in

651
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 4: early spring. As we look at this old thing where

652
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 4: they're always blocking her face so you can't see how

653
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: she looked, can't identify her. I hate to say this,

654
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: did they plan her death so that they could get

655
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 4: her out of the way as the new album came out,

656
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 4: and he goes is on his first world tour and

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Speaker 4: they raise her with a look and stage the whole

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Speaker 4: thing to justice.

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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan try to erase.

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Speaker 2: Dave max wacky conspiracy theory, although frankly, you know what,

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Speaker 2: so much is changed in this case, maybe it's not

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Speaker 2: that wacky after all. Just Scott Morgan, let's talk about

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Speaker 2: that rugged area. If she was dismembered there with help,

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Speaker 2: and I'm curious why ELI law enforcement is saying that

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Speaker 2: the killer had helped dismembering her.

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Speaker 1: That's another can of worms.

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Speaker 2: But what would you expect to find on her body

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Speaker 2: on those bags and possibly in the Tesla trunk?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you had mentioned earlier. You know, you begin to

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Speaker 5: think of there's an area within forensics where we have

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Speaker 5: forensic geology, where we begin to take a look at

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Speaker 5: soul samples, and that's contained within the trace evidence area

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Speaker 5: at the State crime Lab. So you actually can compare

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Speaker 5: soil that is, say, for instance, if you're talking to

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Speaker 5: you know, this house is where he was renting, is

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Speaker 5: essentially adjacent to Chateau Marmont, the famous place where Belue

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Speaker 5: she died and all of those things went down all

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Speaker 5: those years ago. Well, that geology in that area, the

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Speaker 5: type of oil there is completely different than say, this

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Speaker 5: area where he is alleged to have gone. I got

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Speaker 5: one more for you, Nancy. Remember what are they say?

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Speaker 5: They're saying that there's chance she may have gone missing

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Speaker 5: in the spring. Guess what happens in the spring. You've

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Speaker 5: got new bloom going on. So the flora, that is,

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Speaker 5: all of the plant life that is out in that area,

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Speaker 5: there's a high potential that those species are completely different

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Speaker 5: than you're going to find back in more coastal areas

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Speaker 5: around La So in these bags, not only are they

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Speaker 5: going to be looking for soil sample, they're also going

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Speaker 5: to be looking for any kind kind of pollen that's

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Speaker 5: on the body. That's another area with with forensics that

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Speaker 5: we look at relative to this. So there's a lot

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Speaker 5: of evidence if if they have taken their time with

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Speaker 5: each one of these bags, with her body, any clothing

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Speaker 5: that have may have been on there, there's a chance

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Speaker 5: to harvest information there that might tell you about her path,

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Speaker 5: at least from geographic standpoint.

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Speaker 2: I want you to see a live stream video of

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Speaker 2: D four VD David Anthony Burke and Celeste, which has

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Speaker 2: recently resurfaced Watch.

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Speaker 1: A way Way look answer that one? That one on one.

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Speaker 12: It was good, big families, Oh thank you, Mitch, Mitchel, Kanzio,

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Speaker 12: maz Can we delete all ods and then as soon

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Speaker 12: as the team to the stream too?

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Speaker 1: You know what that tells me?

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Speaker 2: That again is a livestream video of David Anthony Burke

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Speaker 2: and Celeste which resurfaced that D four VD. David Anthony

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Speaker 2: Burke is very aware of any incriminating evidence. He knows

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Speaker 2: to delete it, get rid of it, don't let it

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Speaker 2: stay on the air. We know that there was a

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Speaker 2: long history of covering Celeste's face whenever they were photographed together.

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Speaker 2: What else, if anything, would he cover up? And I

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Speaker 2: want to address something, Joanna, and the evis the veteran

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer said. She said, well, you know, if the

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Speaker 2: body is so decomposed, we may never know cod cause

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Speaker 2: of death, and therefore we won't know whether this was

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Speaker 2: a murder. I want you to imagine something, Joanne. Go

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Speaker 2: to the back recesses of your mind and imagine a

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Speaker 2: sinking ship about to go under in a turbulent storm.

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Speaker 2: Imagine rats, rats, rodents running across the deck of the

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Speaker 2: ship not knowing what to do. A sinking ship with

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Speaker 2: rats running across the deck, you don't think one of

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Speaker 2: those rodents will grab onto anything.

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Speaker 1: To save its own skin.

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Speaker 2: Yes, somebody within dfour vd's camp knows exactly what happened,

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Speaker 2: and we have learned from private investigator Steve Fisher, who

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Speaker 2: can no longer comment, I imagine because he's going to

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Speaker 2: be a witness that he saw who was driving the

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Speaker 2: Tuzla parking it here, parking it there?

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Speaker 1: Was it D four VD.

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Speaker 2: I guarantee you he had a minion do that a friend,

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Speaker 2: and that friend knows everything. There are multiple people living

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Speaker 2: in that mansion. Someone is going to try their best

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Speaker 2: to save their own skin, like those rats on the

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Speaker 2: ship deck, and they are going to rat out on

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Speaker 2: David Anthony.

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Speaker 10: Pressure bus pipes, and I agree with that. When your

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Speaker 10: life and your livelihood is on the line, it is

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Speaker 10: not difficult to apply the pressure and get somebody to break. Now,

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Speaker 10: will that confession or that big reveal actually point to

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Speaker 10: D four VD That still remains unknown? You know, maybe

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Speaker 10: he is aware. Obviously there is something going on that

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Speaker 10: there is a level of awareness and knowledge, But what

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Speaker 10: we don't know is who the actual culprit was of

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Speaker 10: what happened through Celeste.

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Speaker 8: Investigators have made contact with several people involved in the case,

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Speaker 8: some more involved than others, but all in some capacity

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Speaker 8: that leads detectives to believe they are certain they're going

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Speaker 8: down the right path for a suspect. Even with the

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Speaker 8: new information about the investigation, no one has been arrested

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Speaker 8: and the investigation is ongoing.

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Speaker 2: We here at crime stories would be remiss if we

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Speaker 2: don't ask questions about Celeste Rivas's parents. How can she

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Speaker 2: be missing all this time, even possibly dead since the spring?

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Speaker 2: And they alerted no one? How much, if any blame

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Speaker 2: is attributed to them? Where was mommy? Where was Daddy.

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Speaker 1: Tonight?

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Speaker 2: This investigation is ongoing. The police need your help. If

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Speaker 2: you know or think you know anything, whether you are

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Speaker 2: within the four v d's camp, whether you're a neighbor,

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Speaker 2: whether you saw them together, anything, please call LAPD two

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Speaker 2: one three four eight six six eight nine zero repeat

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Speaker 2: two one three, four, eight, six six eight nine zero.

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Speaker 2: We remember an American hero, Officer Jeremy Hall, Virginia Department Corrections,

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Speaker 2: killed in the line of beauty. He lays behind a

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Speaker 2: grieving family. American hero officer Jeremy Paul Nancy Gray signing

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Speaker 2: off goodbye friend