1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Truth with Lisa Booth, where we get 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: to the heart of the issues that matter to you. 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: President Trump addressed the nation this week, and there were 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: rumors ahead of the time that he might be announcing 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: a war against Venezuela. So we're going to talk to 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 1: Daniel di Martino. He is an economist and he's also 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: a Venezuelan exile who fled socialism's devastation. He's the founder 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: of the Dissident Project and a Manhattan Institute fellow. We're 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about President Trump's tough stance on the 10 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Maduro regime. 11 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about what. 12 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Venezuela was like it's collapse, what Daniel saw personally, and 13 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about President Trump's attacks on the 14 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: narco terrorists as well. Are they justified? Why is he 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: doing it? 16 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 2: What do you need to know? 17 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 3: Also, what parallels. 18 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Does he see between people like zoron Mom Donnie in 19 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: New York City or AOC with Maduro and what he 20 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: has seen in Venezuela as well. So all of that 21 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 1: and more with Daniel Di Martino. 22 00:00:58,120 --> 00:00:59,120 Speaker 2: Stay tuned. 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,120 Speaker 1: Well, Daniel, it's great to have you on the show. 24 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: I was looking for someone to talk about all this 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: Venezuela stuff and President Trump's posture toward Venezuela. And you're 26 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: recommended to me, so appreciate you making the time, and 27 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to getting your insight into all of this. 28 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: Of course, I'd love to talk about this to Daniel. 29 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: I wanted to start off because obviously President Trump addressed 30 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: the nation last night, and there were some rumors before 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: that you would be announcing going to war against Venezuela. Obviously, 32 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: he has taken a very tough posture with going after 33 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:39,040 Speaker 1: the narco terrast Do you foresee a war or why 34 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: do you think he's sort of taken such a hard 35 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: line approach to some of these narco terrorists and then 36 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: also just you know, putting the screws to the Bedra regime. 37 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, first, it is important to know that there's no 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,639 Speaker 3: way there can be a war properly because Venezuela doesn't 39 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 3: have a functioning military nor the capacity to fight VACK 40 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 3: in any way, which is why they haven't fought back. 41 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 2: At all with what President Trump has done so far. 42 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,920 Speaker 3: And I think the reason the President cares so much 43 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 3: about this, and he has for a very long time 44 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 3: he did in his first term two, but he wasn't 45 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 3: allowed to do all the things that he's doing now. 46 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 3: Is that Venezuela checks off a lot of the boxes 47 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 3: of the priorities of the administration. Number One, they are 48 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: the reason for a lot of the border crisis because 49 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 3: of the Venezuelan legal immigration, but also because Venezuela is 50 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: stabilized all the other countries in Latin America that led 51 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 3: to illegal immigration. To the drug issue, Venezuela is the 52 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 3: main source for the cocaine that gets. 53 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: To the US. 54 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: It's not that it's produced in Venezuela, but the Venezuelan 55 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: regime uses its own resources, planes, trucks, boats to take 56 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 3: the drug into the US market, and they collaborate with 57 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: the Mexican cartels to do that. And then three, Venezuela 58 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 3: is the country with the largest oil reserves in the world. 59 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 3: And because the socialist regime destroyed the oil industry, Venezuela 60 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: now produces millions of barrels less than it used to. 61 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 3: So every Ingle American is paying more of the gas 62 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 3: pump because Venezuela is a socialist country today. 63 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 2: Very interesting. 64 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: So so you think in terms of like these narco 65 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: terrorist attacks. 66 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 2: Do you view them as justified? 67 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 1: Obviously they've gotten a lot of attention, and in fact 68 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: was part of the basis of those Democrat lawmakers essentially 69 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: calling on the military to break ranks and you know, 70 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: to not listen to the chaining compan more or less. 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 3: Well, no, look, I think for it, I think it's 72 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 3: totally justified. I think a lot of people, you know, 73 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 3: especially on the Democrat side, they're trying to promote these 74 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 3: conspiracy that you know, it's all fake and they're Venezuela 75 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: is not actually involved in drug trafficking or terrorism, and 76 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: it is. Look, the reason the Venezuelan regime traffics drugs 77 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: is because they have no other source of income anymore 78 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 3: after this destroid the oil and so you know, drugs 79 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: are not government owned, it's a private sector, so it 80 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 3: actually works. And and so they the military of the 81 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: Venezuelan regime, they actually truly are the drug traffickers. So 82 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: the government itself is a cartel. It's the cartel of 83 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: the Suns. The name comes from the sons in the 84 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: ranks that they get as generals. 85 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,119 Speaker 2: That's why that's their name. 86 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 3: And they collaborate with Hespola they collaborate with Russia, with Iran. 87 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 3: You know, the oil actually that the little oil of 88 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: Venezuela does export, it mostly goes to Iran and China 89 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: on these sanctioned vessels that President Trump is now boarding. 90 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 3: Which is great, right, because it's essentially a blockade of 91 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 3: all the resources of Maduro. First they're going after the drugs, right, 92 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: you can't bring the drugs now by cib because they're 93 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: bombing them. And next they're going after the oil tankers, 94 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 3: so now they can't even export oil, so they're eventually 95 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: going to run out of money. 96 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 1: How much of going after Venezuela is also you know, 97 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: countering enemy nations like Iran or Russia. 98 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: I think it's a lotte and also China. Remember most 99 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: of the oil goes to Iran and China. Iran doesn't 100 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: need it for itself, but it refines it and sends 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: it elsewhere, but it mostly ends up in China, So 102 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,119 Speaker 3: you're really reducing China's oil supply. At the same time 103 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: you are countering the source of drugs for the US. 104 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 2: So it's you're hitting so many. 105 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 3: Birds with one stone, which is why I think President 106 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: Trump really is attracted to this. 107 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,280 Speaker 1: You know, how how tired you know, we look at 108 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, President Trump is accused of Venezuela emptying their 109 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: jails and sending those individuals to the United States, which 110 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: we've already seen has had a big destabilizing impact on 111 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: the country. How well, first of all, talk about that, 112 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: and then also how tied is trendy Uruagua tied to 113 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: the Maduro regime or what's the first kind of address 114 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: the release of the jail, the jails, and then the 115 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: ties between that gang and the Maduro regime. 116 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say they released people from the jails. 117 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: It's just that people don't go to jail, got it. 118 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: I mean, why why do you think Venezuela's is injuris country. 119 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 3: It's because criminals aren't arrested, Right, If people went to jails, 120 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: Venezuea wouldn't be dangerous. It's kind of like, why why 121 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: do you think there's crime in blue cities? It's because 122 00:06:01,760 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: the criminals aren't in prison. 123 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: That sounds familiar, you know, and it's very interesting. 124 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 3: It's the Venezuelan form of socialism. I would say it's 125 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 3: the most similar to the one promoted here. It's like 126 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 3: a third worldish socialism, at least in the Soviet Union, 127 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: the criminals went to prison. In Venezuela, they never did 128 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: since Javis came so, but Turnderagua was formed by the 129 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 3: few people who did go to prison, who then ended 130 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: up running the prisons. You see this woman who is 131 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 3: a minister in Maduro's government. Her name is it is Varela. 132 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: She was the minister of prisons for a very long 133 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 3: time under Chavis, and then she stayed under Maduro. And 134 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 3: she's essentially a thug like all the other members of 135 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: the regime, but this one is a prison thug. And 136 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 3: she allowed the jails and this criminal organization to foster 137 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 3: so that they can then use them to terrorize the population. 138 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: So they use the gangs to say that when there's 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: a protest against the government, the gangs go after the 140 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 3: protesters and kill them, kidnapped them, terrorized them, so that 141 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 3: they don't say that's not the police, that's a criminal gang. 142 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: But then the criminal gangs were using Russian weapons that 143 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: only a military can purchase. So the Venezuelan government was 144 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: arming the gangs on purpose with military great weapons. And 145 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: then eventually these gangs obviously want to make money. Their 146 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: profit maximizing enterprises. 147 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: They are not. 148 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 3: I wouldn't say they terrorize people just for sadism at all. 149 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 3: It's a very different type of crime than what you 150 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 3: see in the US. It's they just really want money. 151 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 3: They will extort you, they will rob you, but they 152 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: won't kill you just for killing you. And so they 153 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 3: run out of money to steal in Venezuela because Venezuela 154 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 3: was destroyed economically by the government policies, and so they 155 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: went to Columbia, they went to Peru, they went to Chile, 156 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 3: to Brazil to rob more money. Eventually they ended up 157 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 3: in the US because that's where the money is. They 158 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: knew that they could steal, shoplift, you know, create these 159 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: shoplifting gangs in New York City and or Blue cities 160 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 3: where they knew they wouldn't be put to prison, and 161 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 3: so that's what they did. It's it just made a 162 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 3: lot of sense. Then the Maduro regime used trend Aragua, 163 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: bribing them, paying them to also go after political opponents. 164 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 3: So that's how you saw the assassination of a Venezuela 165 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: in general, this is in Chile by trend Awa gangsters 166 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 3: that the Chilean government itself which is, by the way, 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: until this past election under socialist control, they themselves said yes, 168 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 3: it was trended rahwa paid for by the major regime 169 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 3: who killed these men. 170 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: Do you see parallels with the way the left uses 171 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: like Antifa or Black Lives Matter or these Palestinian protesters 172 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: in the same way where it's like, you know, they're 173 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: not like directly endorsed by the left, but they're kind 174 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: of like their street thugs to a certain degree. 175 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: That's such a good point. Well it's not. I wouldn't 176 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: say it's a parallel. I would say it's even more direct. 177 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 2: So many of these far left groups that are here 178 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: in America. 179 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: I'll give you one example, the People's Forum in New 180 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 3: York City. They were one of the main organs of 181 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 3: the pro Hamas occupation at Columbia University. Their president, who 182 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 3: was arrested in this pro Hamace occupation is a man 183 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 3: named Manolol Losantos. 184 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 2: You can google him. 185 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 3: Manuela is originally from the Dominican Republic, and he's a 186 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 3: very close friend of Majuro himself. He went to Venezuela 187 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: last year to celebrate the rigged election. I'd been to 188 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: their HQ in Manhattan, and they fly the flag of 189 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 3: North Korea. 190 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 2: They flyg the flag of the CCP of Venezuela. 191 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 3: They have a picture of Jehavara, of Castro, of mal Sedon, 192 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 3: of King Yo Noon. I mean these are radical communists, right. 193 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 3: These are people who would take all our property and 194 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: send us to concentration camps. And they're the ones promoting 195 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 3: all of the pro Hamas protests. They are the ones 196 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 3: promoting all the climate activism. All of these issues are 197 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 3: just tools for them to advance their true goal, which 198 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: is to create a socialist government in America. Right. 199 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: These are the people who are advising Saam Mamdani. 200 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 3: These are the people who who are part of the 201 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 3: Democratic Socialists of America. And they view class I met 202 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 3: they view Palestine, they view the Black Lives Matter whose founders, 203 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 3: by the way, also no Maduro for many years. They 204 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 3: view it as just chools to divide the population and 205 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 3: gain power. 206 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: You know, and this all obviously resonates with you because 207 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: you were up in Venezuela and you fled Venezuela and 208 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: you saw the fall of Venezuela. Walk us through what 209 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: you saw and how socialism is destroyed once Latin America's 210 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: wealthiest nation. 211 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, my story is very I would say average, 212 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 3: meaning I was in a middle class family. You know, 213 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 3: we had a car, you know, I went to a school, 214 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 3: We had you know, our own home that we lived 215 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 3: in an apartment in Caracas, and we used to have 216 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 3: electricity and water and normal things, right. 217 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,320 Speaker 2: That most people would have watched TV. 218 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 3: And then suddenly, oh there's no water or so for 219 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 3: one day, and then for several days, and then there's 220 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 3: no electricity, so you have to carry up the jugs 221 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: of water up the stairs five floors, or then you know, 222 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 3: you have to lie up for food. I remember, you know, 223 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: when I was in high school, some of the teachers 224 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 3: who dismiss class in the middle of class because they 225 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 3: will get a text from their friend that works at 226 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 3: the grocery store next door that chicken or toilet paper 227 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 3: or flour had just arrived, so they had to go 228 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: line up as quickly as possible to get there first. 229 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,319 Speaker 3: They had the insider notes that the truck just arrived. 230 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 3: The rationing system got so sophisticated that because we were 231 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: not like cue right, socialism got their decades later. We 232 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: had more technology, and so the majora regime put finger 233 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: print machines in the grocery stores where when you went 234 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 3: to the cashier to pay, you had to scan your 235 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 3: fingerprint in a machine so that the cashier would see 236 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: whether your quota covered the items that you were purchasing. 237 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,079 Speaker 3: It's very stopian. This is worse than nineteen eighty four, right, 238 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: And that became my daily life, right, And so I 239 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,000 Speaker 3: saw that happen all just in my lifetime as a teenager. 240 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: So after saying that and then coming in the United 241 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: States and now sort of on the left, there's like 242 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: this open embrace of socialism where people have sort of 243 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: become desensitized to the term, like it's it's losing its toxicity, right, 244 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: So why do you think that's happening? And why are 245 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: people susceptible to the idea of socialism? 246 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: Well, that's such a good question of why people are susceptible, 247 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 3: because clearly people have been susceptible to socialism in every culture, 248 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 3: in every you know, for for so long, right in 249 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 3: the world. It's almost like it's a natural human impulse. 250 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 3: And that's why I think, you know, the source of 251 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: socialism is actually sin, it's envy. It's that the rich 252 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 3: are rich because of the poor poor, So I want 253 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: to punish those people. It's not that I want to 254 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 3: lift up the poor, is that I also want to 255 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 3: punish the rich purpose even if that doesn't benefit me. 256 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 3: And that comes from envy. And you know, envy is 257 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 3: a natural human feeling. It's a That's why it's a 258 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: capital sin, and it's something that we must fight if 259 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: or otherwise you're going to get a lot of bad outcomes. 260 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 3: Every ideology that comes from that is very poisonous. So 261 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: I think that that's the source. What Venezuela proved though, 262 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 3: that is very important for us here, is that socialism 263 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: can come democratically, not just through a revolution. In Cuba, 264 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: we had socialism because of a violent revolution in the USSR. 265 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 2: Too, in China as well. 266 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 3: In Eastern Europe, they were invaded, right and imposed by 267 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 3: the Soviet Union. In Venezuela, people were deceived into voting 268 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 3: for socialism, and then they got into power and they 269 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 3: never left even when the people wanted them out. That's 270 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: the goal of the democratic socialism in the United States, 271 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 3: and the fact that people have been desensitized. It's obviously 272 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 3: been part of an agenda because of college campuses, right. 273 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 3: I think it's also been the fault of you know, 274 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 3: Republicans calling everybody who they didn't like a socialist when 275 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 3: they weren't. 276 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: That doesn't help. 277 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: It's kind of like when they left called all the 278 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 3: Republicans racists and then nobody believes when they're actual racists, 279 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: you know, in some debate or whatever. And so it's 280 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 3: been so our fault, I think, And so our job 281 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: is to educate people better quick. 282 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: Break, stay with us. If you like what you're hearing, 283 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: place your on social media or send it to your 284 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: family and friends. You know, it's interesting because when you 285 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: talk about envy, you know, the irony of all this 286 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: is the individuals pushing socialism want wealth themselves, right, and 287 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: so like that's what inevitably happens, is these people subjugate 288 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: everyone else, but then they become wealthy. 289 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 2: They're you know, friends and family well connected. 290 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: People become wealthy and like Maduro's rich, right, but the 291 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: rest of society poor. And you look at like Bernie 292 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: Sanders sells books, makes millions of dollars, has different homes 293 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: like flies private, right, like oraoc wants to go to 294 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,560 Speaker 1: the met gala, or you look at your mom. Donnie's 295 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: probably going to find ways to build well, right, So 296 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: it's like it's like they all want to be rich. 297 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 1: So it's like they don't really hate the rich, and 298 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 1: they don't really hate billionaires to your point with envy, 299 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: like they want to be them. 300 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 3: Yes, I think that that's interesting. Yes they do want 301 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: to be rich, but they do hate the people who 302 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 3: are currently rich. You know, I see so many perils 303 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 3: between this resentment. In Venezuela. There's a woman who The 304 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 3: New York Times recently profiled that The New York Times 305 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 3: has been carrying the water for Majua for a very 306 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: long time, just like many socialist regime throughout history. 307 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 2: But her name is Delsi Rodriguez. 308 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 3: She is one of the vice presidents and she's obviously 309 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: one of Venezuela's richest women. Her brother is like the 310 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 3: president of Congress, like they're all plugged in. Her and 311 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 3: her brother are actually the sons of a very famous 312 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: Marxist terrorist in Venezuela that got killed in the seventies 313 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: because he kidnapped an American executive and then the police 314 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 3: caught him and killed him. Back when Venezuela was democratic, 315 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 3: and these kids grew up with a lot of resentment 316 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: they became Marxists like their father, and now they supplanted 317 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: the elite. 318 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 2: Now they're the elite. 319 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court president until recently in Venezuela was a 320 00:15:54,040 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 3: convicted murder. The criminals will become the law enforcement, The 321 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 3: parasites will become the rich, the workers will become the owners. 322 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 3: Right that you just flip everything up. That's their goal, 323 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 3: and I think that's their goal here too. See who 324 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: whose advice is from Mamdane enough for the NYPD, somebody 325 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: who was a violent criminal himself. You know what, what 326 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 3: job did Mamdani have before being major? 327 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 2: No, no job. 328 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: He never had a private sector job. And it's the 329 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 3: same story for all these people. 330 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: It's very interesting. So then how do you counter it 331 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 1: from a messaging standpoint, because you know, we're saying socialism 332 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: being embraced more, especially by younger generations, the idea of 333 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: free things, the idea of you know, the government handouts, 334 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: the idea of you know, the easy street, particularly when 335 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: people are struggling financially. You know, it sounds good on 336 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: its face, right, they don't dig deeper. So, like, how 337 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: do you counteract that messaging? 338 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: Well, one of the ways I think is faith. I 339 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 3: think that's important. I think we need that. That's part 340 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 3: of what I think the pastors and the priests and 341 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,680 Speaker 3: faith leaders need to need to do. The Catholic Church 342 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: has been very clear from you know, well over one 343 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 3: hundred years ago that socialism is incompatible with Christianity, and 344 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 3: that's all written in Catholic social teaching in many paper 345 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 3: and cyclic clom No Room and others. 346 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 2: But other than. 347 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 3: Faith, I would say conservatives are doing a good job 348 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: in taking back at academia where all these conservative centers 349 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: that red states are opening in state universities. 350 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 2: I think that's a very good step. 351 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: Another good step is that we need to do it 352 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 3: in K through twelve. Both Turning Point and YAF Young 353 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 3: America's Foundation have been doing that. I speak for BAF 354 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: Young America's Foundation, and I traveled to high schools, colleges 355 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: to tell my story. There's other speakers that do that. 356 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 3: And I would say the other one is in the family. 357 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 3: I think a lot of conservatives find that their children 358 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: end up becoming liberals. And I don't mean just liberals, 359 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: I mean very radical right. I mean they're taken over 360 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 3: by trans ideology, by Black Lives Matter, by all these 361 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 3: things in colleges, and I think that's a failure. 362 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: Of the parents to be very own, honest and. 363 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 3: Think about it. This even happened to Ronald Reagan himself. 364 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan's children all but Michael became very far left. 365 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: That was a failure, I think on the on the 366 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: family part, and I think that means that parents need 367 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 3: to be better at teaching their kids about this, meaning, 368 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 3: you know, you have to expose them from a young 369 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: age about what America is, why this is a great country, 370 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 3: what made it great, which is its freedom right. If 371 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 3: America stopped being a free country, it would stop being 372 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 3: a great country. And a lot of people refuse to, 373 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: I think, teach their kids about that. I know it's 374 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 3: an effort that you have to do because the Left 375 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: is making a big effort to indoctrinate them through social media, 376 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 3: through so many things, and if we don't make an 377 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 3: equal or greater effort, we're going to lose them. And 378 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 3: they know it, right because the left doesn't have children, 379 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: you know, they are The instrut for Family studies found 380 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: this that the average liberal couple has approximately half a 381 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 3: child on average, less than the average conservative couple. So 382 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 3: they know that their only path is indoctrination. But that 383 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 3: means that for us the job is easier, right, we 384 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 3: just need to continue passing down our ideas. 385 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: It's a really good point. And then before we go, 386 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: what do you think the future the future holds for 387 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: the Maduro regime. 388 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 3: Well, I think it all depends on what President Trump 389 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 3: decides to do at the end. If he continues taking 390 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 3: the oil tankers, if he continues closing down on the 391 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 3: narco trafficking, I think the money's going to run out, 392 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 3: and that's a great thing. But Majuro is never going 393 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 3: to leave power unless he feels his life is threatened. 394 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 3: And so unless President Trump can find a way to 395 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,479 Speaker 3: threaten the life of Majua himself or other top leaders 396 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: of the regime, either with the land strikes that he 397 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: suggested or you know, the CIA operations that he said 398 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 3: that he's begun, there's no you know, the goal of 399 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 3: majority is going to be to out last Trump. He 400 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: really Maduro is just on lockdown mode until January twenty 401 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: twenty nine, hoping that under the next president everything will 402 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 3: be lifted and then Majuro will be able to rule forever. 403 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 3: And I think President Trump now has to show that 404 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 3: he can do more than that, and think about what 405 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: he has to gain, right well, all of us have 406 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 3: to gain. If Venezuela were to become a free country, 407 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 3: hundreds of thousands of Venezuela would go back to their country, 408 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 3: so that's great. Oil would start coming to the United 409 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 3: States instead of drugs, another great thing, and more importantly, 410 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 3: Venezuela would stop destabilizing other countries in the region. Colombia 411 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 3: right now is ruled by a former Gorilla Marxist member 412 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 3: because Maduro finances campaign. 413 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 2: Gustavo Petro. 414 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 3: Maduro is the one that's funding Nicaragua, another country that's 415 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 3: an enemy. It's the one that's sending free oil to Cuba. 416 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 3: These tankers that Trump is seizing were headed to Cuba 417 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 3: to give them the oil for free, so that Cuba 418 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 3: could resell it and then keep continue funding their oppression, 419 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:42,879 Speaker 3: their migration, everything else. So really, Venezuela right now is 420 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 3: the head of the snake, and if President Trump can 421 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 3: cut that off, there will be so many other positive 422 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: things that come down the line. 423 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: Very interesting stuff, Daniel. 424 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: We appreciate your sharing your insight and your story with us. 425 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. 426 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: Thanks Lisa. 427 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: That was Daniel Di Martinez. Appreciate him for taking the 428 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: time to come on the show. Appreciate you guys at 429 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 1: home for listening every Tuesday and Thursday, but you can 430 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 1: listen throughout the week. I also want to thank John Cassio, 431 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 1: my producer, for putting the show together. 432 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:07,960 Speaker 2: Until next time.