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Speaker 1: Hi in Hello Football Fanger, old pal Dave Damaschik here.

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Speaker 1: NFL Podcast change producers. Like most people, change suckers. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansus, and I am joined by

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Speaker 1: a room filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling, and

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Speaker 1: Greg Rostal. What's up, boys? Hey Dan, what's happening? Whoo

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Speaker 1: big show? Excited about today's show. Good to see you guys. Altogether,

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Speaker 1: we're just friends talking about football, you know, good analysis

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Speaker 1: but also fun. We're just bros who talk sports, but

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Speaker 1: we also took chicks and we talk rock and roll.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a bro. We don't talk chicks, that's all.

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Speaker 1: You're not a bro. That's that's your interpretation of what

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Speaker 1: you are. You aren't. Yeah, I'm definitely not a bro.

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Speaker 1: I don't get all the bro stuff, bro bro whatever.

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Speaker 1: All of it out all right, Chris Westling in anti Bro,

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Speaker 1: anti Bro, anti Bro anti bra alright, bra, all of

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Speaker 1: it out. Uh. This is the Wednesday edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the NFL podcast UM loved by tens of thousands,

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Speaker 1: admired by hundreds. Beholden to no one. That's correct. Big

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Speaker 1: show today, A show that will include the continuation of

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Speaker 1: our division by division preview series. We wrapped up the

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Speaker 1: NFC last week. We will now begin the a f C,

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Speaker 1: starting with the East. What's so funny? Yeah, you're big

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Speaker 1: here open disdain for this segment. I like talking football

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Speaker 1: with the boys. I like it. It's good talk. Some

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Speaker 1: pig skin. It would be problematic if you didn't on

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Speaker 1: this program. But you know, it's just it's just there's

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Speaker 1: so many divisions, so it's just like it takes forever.

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Speaker 1: It's too much. Should we start some relegation processes? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's something maybe for next year. It feels like

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Speaker 1: get just purged right out of the preview next year.

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Speaker 1: I'm all in on that, UM anyway, So we will

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Speaker 1: talk about, yes, the a f C East Division. Uh,

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Speaker 1: today we will also, Oh my god, get excited because

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Speaker 1: it's part two of the Fantasy Extravaganza. I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 1: Then we're going to have a special guest from the

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Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Team. Uh Mark is Grant will be joining us.

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Speaker 1: And now people are, oh, is that is that the

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Speaker 1: big fish? Is that the bo i got a big

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Speaker 1: the big fish that I've been teasing for part three

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Speaker 1: sell our colleague that he's not the big fish? At

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Speaker 1: this point, you're setting up said big fish for disappointment people.

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Speaker 1: People are going to be expecting, you know, or something

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Speaker 1: to walk in here and help me, help me. When's

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Speaker 1: the last time you went fishing? Um? I was looking

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Speaker 1: at your cast there was eight years old. Going to

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Speaker 1: bring it out here, Marcus, don't take a personal Uh Marcus,

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Speaker 1: the NFL media umbrella. This one is going across the country.

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Speaker 1: Which we had the video for your cast there. I

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Speaker 1: talk and um, but we also have a special guest

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Speaker 1: Greg as what again? Bitter sweet? T D his last

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Speaker 1: completely fine. Anybody went a problem with it is no

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Speaker 1: longer in this building. We could have a totally separate

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Speaker 1: of this uh this podcast. I listened to Friday Show.

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Speaker 1: has been around here for a while, seven years or something.

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Speaker 1: You've been at this company seven years and eight Uh,

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Speaker 1: Our contract discussions and offers to the representative of Joey

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Speaker 1: Uh when when you're talking about he's not trying to

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Speaker 1: I think that's healthy. I don't like the way this

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Speaker 1: Peyton Manning didn't know how to use a can opener

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Speaker 1: as a rookie. There you go by the way the

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Speaker 1: uh TV you like that Hard Knocks them. I'm a

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Speaker 1: big fan of Hard Knocks. Has been down this season

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Speaker 1: so far, as you guys have said, but the music

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Speaker 1: is always great. And I know we used the intro

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Speaker 1: coming into this segment. May I entrust you guys in

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Speaker 1: another Knocks track? Okay, you have the whole soundtrack. I

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Speaker 1: have this album. It's a fantastic workout album. So here's

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Speaker 1: a good Okay, go ahead. I know me and my

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Speaker 1: movie scores, man about this play this next year when

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Speaker 1: you're defending your softball ground. That's right. They always do

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Speaker 1: have the Yeah, this is the museum, he plays as

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Speaker 1: he's setting up the tripod to tape himself shooting basketball. Dude,

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Speaker 1: I like that. Moving on, Okay, moving on, all right, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the a f C East Division of

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Speaker 1: the National Football League, which covers what teams Greg well, uh,

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Speaker 1: this year, it's going to be the Patriots of New England.

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Speaker 1: They playing Fox Bro. It's a little confusing, almost moved

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Speaker 1: to Hartford Ones, New York Jets, the Buffalo Bills in

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Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins. That's correct, And what we will do is

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Speaker 1: go through this division and we will ask about who's

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Speaker 1: the breakout star, who's the biggest concern, and then we

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Speaker 1: make our picks how we think the division shakes out.

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Speaker 1: You know, I gotta be on guard right now because I, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's always a turkey shoot when the Jets are involved.

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Speaker 1: So I need to make sure I defend my team

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Speaker 1: because I will go after my team one necessary. And

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Speaker 1: I've been doing this podcast long enough where I've gotten

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Speaker 1: after those Jets big time when they deserve it, but

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Speaker 1: sometimes they don't. I mean to the point where the

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Speaker 1: Jets PR guy in written copy has actually come after

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Speaker 1: you multiple times. Jets PR and I. The relationship is

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Speaker 1: up and down. Remember when I got into it with

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Speaker 1: the Jets PR guy. I think that's good. I think

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Speaker 1: your career starts in NFL media when you get into

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Speaker 1: the Jets PR guy. Anyway, So let's start guys without

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Speaker 1: that would explain why I've never heard from him. Let's

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Speaker 1: start with the breakout star Mark Sessler. This could be

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Speaker 1: your chance, by the way, to hear from I won't

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Speaker 1: name him, but the gentleman bray got Star of the

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Speaker 1: a f C East. Well, you know we you know,

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Speaker 1: to pull back to Kurt and we talked about a

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Speaker 1: few people. I think there's some obvious stars out there.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with the one that I think is

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Speaker 1: not the most obvious guy, but he is in New England,

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Speaker 1: the team that I know is going to succeed in

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Speaker 1: this division and not lay some sort of six and

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Speaker 1: ten egg where everyone we think is gonna be good stinks.

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Speaker 1: The Patriots are gonna be good. Check that out. And

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Speaker 1: Chris Hogan, who they signed very specific purposes. Bill Belichick

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Speaker 1: loves Chris Hogan, says he can do all sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: He's even their backup punter if they need someone to punt.

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Speaker 1: But look at they turned Julian Edelman into a star.

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Speaker 1: Julian Edelman was a college quarterback who initially was a

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Speaker 1: return man who they turned into one of the more

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Speaker 1: productive wide receivers in the entire league. They've shown they

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Speaker 1: can do it. That's a position switch. Chris Hogan. I

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Speaker 1: think we'll have a big part uh in their wide

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Speaker 1: receiver group. You look at the group, there's not spectacular competition.

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Speaker 1: I think he's going to play a big role and

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be productive and in the Patriots world, a

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Speaker 1: wider c vers it's not necessarily you know, post Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: It's not some sort of size speed freak. It's who

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Speaker 1: gets production. And I think outside of the tight ends,

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Speaker 1: he's got a chance to make a big dent. I

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Speaker 1: just wonder where the targets are going to come from.

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Speaker 1: He If he's better than Danny Amundela, I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: to see it on film, and I haven't seen that yet.

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Speaker 1: We'll say, you say breakout star, by the way, so

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna the throut and over under here, buddy, I

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Speaker 1: don't do that. I don't do well with these over unders.

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Speaker 1: Shoot seventy catches, um, I will say he will have

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Speaker 1: exactly seventy catches one yards a little bit below a

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Speaker 1: thousand yards. But if you look at where Chris Hogan

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Speaker 1: was a year ago and how he was poorly used

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, that would be for we'll find out. I

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Speaker 1: like you know what, I like it right out of

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Speaker 1: the gate. Doubt me. And let's see seven seven. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he'll have seven, So seventy catches for nine thirty seven

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Speaker 1: yards and seven touchhow there's I would call that a

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Speaker 1: breakout season for Christmas. That would be a breakout season.

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Speaker 1: I like when Julian Edelman has been injured up. You

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Speaker 1: know and Edelman have both been incredibly injury prone. I

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Speaker 1: think that's your best that has to happen any of those.

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Speaker 1: I don't even want a Sam. I'm more excited about

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Speaker 1: Malcolm Mitchell. I do think if everyone's healthy, he's going

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Speaker 1: to have a hard time. It wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 1: he's not in the top five on the team in receptions,

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Speaker 1: just because of the tight ends and the running backs everything,

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Speaker 1: like that breakout star Chris Westling. This is sort of

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Speaker 1: my ongoing theme for the division. I'm gonna stay in

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Speaker 1: New England because they're the only team worth talking about here.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah, I shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be dismissive of the a f C East, which rolls

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Speaker 1: over and lets the Patriots have the division every year.

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Speaker 1: These dismissive a team that went tenants six last year,

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Speaker 1: right whatever, when all things broke right for whatever, Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a guy who Gregg mentioned could

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Speaker 1: go from Pro Bowl caliber to Defensive Player of the

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Speaker 1: Year caliber, Jenie Collins. And this goes back to look

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Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth best game analy in the business, these meetings

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Speaker 1: that they have pre production. He gets more information out

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Speaker 1: these meetings than anyone else. And last year he had

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Speaker 1: a whopper during the Colts Patriots game. Colts coaches told

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Speaker 1: Collinsworth thig game plan for Jamie Collins more than any

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Speaker 1: other player they face except for J. J. Watt. I

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Speaker 1: think that's a very telling quote, and Collinsworth has also

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Speaker 1: said in another game Collins, Jamie Collins can be as

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Speaker 1: good as any player in the league, and athletically he's

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Speaker 1: right up there at the top. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: tougher player than he was a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: that I think the criticism of early maybe he wasn't

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Speaker 1: as good in run defense, and now now I think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be making a lot of big play question

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Speaker 1: is he already if this stuff has already been said

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Speaker 1: about him last season, is he already on the in

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Speaker 1: the stark category, Tony? I think he goes from being

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Speaker 1: a guy who gets Pro Bowl consideration to being the

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Speaker 1: best for three outside linebacker in the NFL. I will

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Speaker 1: talk about my beloved Jets because there are players that

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Speaker 1: deserves to be talked about, and Leonard Williams is one

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Speaker 1: of them. And the defensive lineman. Now in his second year.

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Speaker 1: He is making the leap candidate for good reason because

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Speaker 1: he is so versatile and so ready to take all

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Speaker 1: that pressure that he put on the quarterback last year

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Speaker 1: and turn it into sacks. And you've seen it if

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Speaker 1: you watched the Jets preseason games. He's already gotten to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback more. Uh. He's been playing a lot of

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Speaker 1: nose tackle, which is interesting to me. It shows once

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Speaker 1: again that they are so confident in his ability to

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Speaker 1: move around that line that he could thrive anywhere in

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Speaker 1: the field. When you put together this guy making the

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Speaker 1: leap with a healthy Moe Wilkerson, I think that this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be a big part of the reason why

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Speaker 1: the Jets are much better on defense this year. Including

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Speaker 1: a healthy Durrell Reevas. Leonard Williams is a big reason.

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Speaker 1: Breakouts star double digit sacks, stout against the run, the

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Speaker 1: big man to get double digit sacks under for you

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Speaker 1: quarterback takedowns yet thirty two last year. Oh, you're counting

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Speaker 1: hits and sacks. Him talking specifically about sacks sacks seven

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Speaker 1: sacks over under Dan for his career, the greatest sack

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Speaker 1: artist of all. He has a better path. Not a

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Speaker 1: major star, just sort of a guy, not a god,

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Speaker 1: just a guy. He's playing. It's gonna be hard to

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Speaker 1: get a lot of sacks. I think that who's gonna

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Speaker 1: move around. They're gonna move around to play some four

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Speaker 1: man line. I think the guys playing behind them, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the easiest jobs in the NFL because that

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Speaker 1: front line is so good and it almost doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: who they're linebacker. Um. We talked to Ante Parker. I

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Speaker 1: feel like a lot this offseason. He was one of

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Speaker 1: my making the leap guys. So I'm gonna go all

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Speaker 1: the way over to Buffalo and say their entire defense

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Speaker 1: will be a breakout unit. How about that? And that

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Speaker 1: people will remember that Rex Ryan can coach some defense

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Speaker 1: that you got Darby Gilmore Webster, Nicole um Roby as

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Speaker 1: the is uh as their chie cole. Richie's gonna be

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Speaker 1: their nickelback. I think it's a good second. He has

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Speaker 1: a good secondary. He can coach up some people, and

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Speaker 1: yes they've lost a lot, but I think they can

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Speaker 1: be a good team defense. Maybe not the best one

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Speaker 1: in the league, but I think he's gonna be able

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Speaker 1: to remind people, especially once Darius is back, that they

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Speaker 1: can still be a top seven eight type of defense

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Speaker 1: and and Rex Ryan can remind you he's a great

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Speaker 1: defensive Because you're taking my bit, Bro, I have a

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Speaker 1: follow up question. Do you believe anything of what you

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Speaker 1: just said? What do you mean the Bills front seven

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Speaker 1: is a disaster shot? What who do they have? A

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Speaker 1: Dolphus Washington looks good, Darius will be back in week four.

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Speaker 1: Preston Brown that you know they've liked what they've seen

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Speaker 1: out of him all off season. Like you're losing two

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Speaker 1: guys that weren't ever there in the first place, and

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Speaker 1: you have a great Darius Gardner a month. Kyle Williams

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Speaker 1: is a shell of his former self. We don't know

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Speaker 1: he could Dolphins Washington looks decent in two preseason games.

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Speaker 1: It could be a fraud. Who knows things are? To me,

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Speaker 1: things are sneaky setting up well for Rex to overcome.

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Speaker 1: Now the bar is so low that I think it's

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Speaker 1: gonna work out for him. Where they just defense is

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Speaker 1: a team. It's a team sport. It's not about just

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Speaker 1: picking who are the best players. I I do think

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Speaker 1: he's a good coaches. Well, then maybe the Colts can

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Speaker 1: be great too. But they're they're bad at coaching. They

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Speaker 1: they've shown that over they having a Rex Rong average

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Speaker 1: coach the aver you know on defense, where this magic

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Speaker 1: Rex Ryan had in two You know what concerns me

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Speaker 1: a little bit if I'm Rex Ryan and do we

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Speaker 1: want to go into concerns because he was my concern.

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Speaker 1: He is my concern because this is a defense. Now

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Speaker 1: the shine is off Mike Petton, but he went crazy

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Speaker 1: with sacks coaching that defense. Jim Schwartz coached that defense

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Speaker 1: and the sacks were off the chart. They were setting

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Speaker 1: franchise records. Rex Ryan comes in and it was a

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Speaker 1: disaster last season. So I'm not saying you're wrong, Greg.

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Speaker 1: There's a chance for them to turn it around. And

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Speaker 1: in defenses from year to year. You can't look at

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Speaker 1: what happened, Larry. You got to look at the bigger

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Speaker 1: picture with Rex what he's been able to do his

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Speaker 1: whole career. I guess I still look at that team

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Speaker 1: top to bottom and say, like, are they really less

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Speaker 1: talented overall than than most teams in the NFL. I

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Speaker 1: think they still have a credible late They have an

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Speaker 1: incredibly shallow roster if anything goes wrong, with Sammy Watkins

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Speaker 1: and Lashaw McCoy or Tyrod Taylor or one or two

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Speaker 1: of people in their secondary they're doomed. And he was

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Speaker 1: a concern because of his personality. Yeah, I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: the thing. There could be a lot of good things

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Speaker 1: in place for Rex Ryan in Buffalo, but he got

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Speaker 1: in his own way last year to the point where

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Speaker 1: players were revaulting against him. The these so called players

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Speaker 1: coach of players, coaches running with the Jets. Giants players

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Speaker 1: wanted to defect over and become Jets players because they

640
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: were under you know, Tom Coughlin. And here's Rex Ryan

641
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: having fun with his guys, Rex Ryan. If things go poorly,

642
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: you look at their early season schedule and all the

643
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: players that are out. This could easily be a one

644
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: in five, one in six team two months into the season.

645
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: And then you've got Rex Ryan under pressure in spin

646
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: cycle control and he's going to be in hot water

647
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: at that point because a lot of people feel like

648
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: he shouldn't even be there at this stage unless they

649
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: use cool water to prevent shrinking the spin cycle. That

650
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: is going to be necessary. What you should always do

651
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: defense against this is your boy, Greg Roman and Tyrod

652
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: Taylor and Sammy Watkins and McCoy stepping up helping out West.

653
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Your biggest concern, well, you know Mark mentions Rex Ryan

654
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: under the gun. I think the Bills could completely fall apart.

655
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: My concern is that the Patriots have no competition in

656
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: this division like every other year, from a from an

657
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: unbiased observer standpoint, I would like to have some more

658
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: competition in this division. But this works two ways. To

659
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 1: the other issue is the Jets are a flawed team.

660
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: I don't think they're gonna go ten and six against

661
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: a much more difficult schedule. The Bills, I think everything

662
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: could fall apart. The wheels could come off. They could

663
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 1: be the worst team in the a f C. And

664
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: the Dolphins, their back seven on defense is atrocious, their

665
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: running game is practically non existent. I don't trust the quarterback.

666
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: I see three seven and nine teams and I don't

667
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: see any competition. It's concerned for all three of those teams.

668
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: Concern as a fan's concerned for somebody watching the end,

669
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: I want to twelve games every year. Well, the health

670
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: is a division some people wouldn't Well, let's talk about that.

671
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,919
Speaker 1: But if this makes you feel better about this segment, Dan.

672
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 1: The biggest concern is that Jets, Dolphins, and Bills aren't good.

673
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: They all have concerns. Okay, now I'll share our concerns.

674
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a flawed concern, but let me try.

675
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it back on the tracks now because

676
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: we've got some real concerns up in the Northeast section

677
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: of the United States. Oh no, oh no, we trust

678
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: thee Oh no. I mean, we could pretend that New

679
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: England will never be challenged in this division. We can

680
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,280
Speaker 1: have fun with it. We could say nothing ever changes

681
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 1: in the world. But everything changes, and if you look closely,

682
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: there are some cracks on the throne of sleeves. Okay,

683
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: Dean Lewis, We love Dan Lewis. Ouch My knee still

684
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 1: hurts back under the knife. James White not a very

685
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: good player. I mean, injuries were a problem, but I

686
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: think their backfields the reason they didn't win the Super

687
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: Bowl last year. Tom Brady suspended by the way, I

688
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: knew that four games. Jimmy Garoppolo. What do we know

689
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: about Jimmy Garoppolo? Nothing except for the tape we've seen

690
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: in the preseason. Blah. This team could easily go one

691
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: and three in the first four weeks Tom Brady returns. Tommy,

692
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 1: you better not have any of those little moments where

693
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: you need a few weeks to get hot, because all

694
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're gonna be three and seven and

695
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: guess what, you gotta win out. That's a problem. Oh

696
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: what about your right tackle? Where is he? I R?

697
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: There's some problems? Is that your kicker? There's some problems

698
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: for First of all, Brady is going to be playing

699
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: Cleveland in week five. I will just tell you. Let

700
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: me just end Cleveland right for the upset. By the way,

701
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: you want to talk about, uh, Cleveland being pumped up

702
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 1: for a game with their new high octane offense taken

703
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: down Tom Brady in week five, very possible. We're talking

704
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: one in four after that. Biggest concern New England has

705
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 1: bigger issues than they realize. And you didn't even mention

706
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 1: my My biggest concern for them as their secondary, that

707
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: Malcolm Butler will come back to earth a little bit.

708
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: There's been some signs of that. Cornerbacks are up and down.

709
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a great cornerback group necessarily Logan Ryan.

710
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: They're counting on the rookie Cyrus Jones, Patrick Chunk could

711
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: turn into a pumpkin. There are concerns. There's always concerns

712
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 1: with the Patriots. They figure it out this year, they won't. Well,

713
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: they has to end sometime. I've been waiting for it

714
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: for years. It still doesn't happened. They could go nine

715
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 1: and seven and win the Division two. I I are

716
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: you predicting them to look knock off a game or

717
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: two in terms of their wind count or are you

718
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: still going, Okay, we'll get to that. No, we'll get

719
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: to that down the road. Biggest concern, Greg Rosenthal. The

720
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: back seven of the Miami Dolphins is terrible. And I

721
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 1: know they built They built this front line everyone's excited

722
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: about it is exciting on paper. There's some of their

723
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 1: offensive talent like DeVante part Kers exciting, but man, their

724
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 1: secondary looks really bad and their linebackers just watching them,

725
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: like I know as a preseam, but just watching them

726
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: last week, Kiko Alonso and co met like it's just

727
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see, but just that group in general,

728
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: to me, this is not a team that can survive

729
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: giving up a lot of points. And I think their

730
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: cornerback depth chart is as bad or worse than any

731
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: team in the league right now, and they're gonna have

732
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 1: to go up against the Patriots. Tyrod Taylor is good.

733
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,719
Speaker 1: You know, it's a tough schedule in general. I just

734
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: think teams are gonna be scoring points on them. Well,

735
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they don't have to worry about the

736
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: Patriots because they're gonna stink this year. So according to

737
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:48,720
Speaker 1: Dan Well, that's true everybody. Hey, Dolphins fans can feel

738
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: good that they very well might have prevented a Super

739
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: Bowl championship from the Patriots last year, because that's the

740
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,760
Speaker 1: victory that other a f c S teams you're supposed

741
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: to cling to is the minor late seas and interruptions

742
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: of other Let's clip this off all right, because I

743
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: do have a prediction here December one, there will be

744
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 1: a three team race in the AC East. December one,

745
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: that drop will disappear from the earth entirely. You'll never

746
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: hear it again. Please clip that off and west, then

747
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 1: we can when the Patriots are three games up on

748
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: defendenc December one, you are not going to bring this up, well,

749
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: then you should bring it up, all right. Uh finally,

750
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Shadowy league figures have shot down. Our song

751
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: the best describes the division. Listen, when you're under the

752
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: long arm of corporate America, these things happen. We'll be

753
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: fighting this in conference rooms for weeks or to promise

754
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: you now, will we win the battles? I don't know,

755
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: but hugely not. Instead, we will now have some fun

756
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: and pick on our based on our knowledge on of

757
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Mark Sessler as a person, which we're still piecing together

758
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: even of his day. Who Mark is and what he's

759
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: all about, but who is the person Mark hates most

760
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: in the division. With the caveat Rex, Ryan accepted because

761
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: obviously if if if Rex was in, it would be

762
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: a clean sweep. Um, so get us going right, You

763
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 1: take a guess, don't give away. I won't see the

764
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: word until we all make our guess. Well, I I

765
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: really sort of looked forward. So it's not even necessarily

766
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 1: this moment. I could see if the Jet season goes sideways.

767
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: Second year in New York for Brandon Marshall, a lot

768
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: of time in front of the camera, in front of

769
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: the microphone. Um, maybe Fitzpatrick gets bench at some point.

770
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: He's not happy, but just a lot of bran Brandon

771
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: Marshall on a team going south. I could see that

772
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 1: really excellent because one thing I do know, there's a

773
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: very I like Brandon Marshall, but I could see him

774
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: really getting under very good chance. We've already had to

775
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: hear his opinion on the quarterback situation way too many times.

776
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: That's fair, and the second year of Brandon Marshall does

777
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: not typically go well. Um, there's a good chance because

778
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: of the as we've heard today, the anti jet sentiment

779
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: that permeates this room at times is a very good

780
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 1: Just be honest, this room needs an anti jet sentiment.

781
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: The fact that this, uh, this um, this room feels

782
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 1: that way, and I think it's usually gonna be a

783
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 1: jet when we have the chance to take a shot

784
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: if it's not gonna be rex, So I'm gonna also

785
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: go with a jet here. I was gonna go with

786
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,479
Speaker 1: Gino Smith, and that was because Brandon Marshall is the leader.

787
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: But Geno smiths the dark horse because he could play.

788
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: And Mark is on record with his disdain about Gino

789
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: as a player. So he's not gonna want to have

790
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 1: to be writing about Geno Smith or just having to

791
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: hear his name. Um some other thoughts. He Mark doesn't

792
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: really like Maude. Personality types like a Brandon Marshall. So

793
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: Martellus Bennett was on my grid, but he's a Patriot,

794
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: so I think you were safe there. Doug Whalley, just

795
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: because he's connected to Rex. Ryan is also in my mind.

796
00:41:57,560 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: But Brian that would be another one. Whoa Rob Ryan's

797
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: a great I don't even think of Rob. But no,

798
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with New York Jet. Gino Smith is

799
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: my pick. We all must know Mark pretty well, because

800
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: look at my list. The first two names are Gino

801
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: Smith and Brandon Marshall. Heard on the list is Mario Williams,

802
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: who if he opens his mouth and give the level

803
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: of effort he gave last week, we'll definitely get him

804
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: Mark's doghouse, because he was going through the motions, not

805
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: even trying to tackle people on the field. If he

806
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: does that, Mark is gonna light up. Mario Williams, all right,

807
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: you want my answer? It is his name was mentioned.

808
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 1: Those are all excellent answers, and they all have great potential.

809
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: It is easily Rob Bryant. Alright, because and I'll tell

810
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: you why it's not coming out of nowhere. On my vacation,

811
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: I didn't think of it until we were I mean

812
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: he is equally. He is probably more annoying and less

813
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: accomplished than Rex Ryan. And it is so easy. I'll

814
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: never forget being on vacation in that youth hostel, making

815
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: the mistake of clicking on my phone and reading that

816
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: dual Rex Ryan Rob Ryan interview where they're going back

817
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: and forth talking about how great they are. Forget about it.

818
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: I can't believe Rob Bryan is still a presence. Is

819
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: Rob Bryan? Well, you just want all your figures in

820
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: this league, Vanilla. Don't say anything interesting. That's that's Mark

821
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: sel I like interesting. I don't like absolute, endless bragging

822
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 1: with no base in reality. So I I guess you're

823
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 1: not going to tune in. I wish I had the

824
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: name for it now. I saw on the local telegap

825
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: cast there's a two part series in Buffalo on the

826
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: Ryan Brothers right before the season's kind of the journey

827
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: that they've taken to get I will not be tuning in.

828
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: I wish you were still the boss. You could have

829
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: signed that to Mark. That would have been amazing. Can

830
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: we do the person who Mark hates most for every division?

831
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't Ryan brother involved. I don't

832
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: know if it has the same pop too. It's not hatred.

833
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: It is a FC. We've got to do it. He's

834
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: got a lot of enemies that I can't stand half

835
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: the people in that division. All right, there you go.

836
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: That's the a f C East preview will knock out

837
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: the rest. Do we want to make our predictions for

838
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: this division? We should? Okay, let's go. How do we

839
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,399
Speaker 1: want to do one through four? Yeah? Go ahead, Greg, Yeah.

840
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: I have the Patriots winning again fairly comfortably. I have

841
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,200
Speaker 1: the Bills in second, Jets and then Dolphins. All right,

842
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: the Jets will win the East this season, going to

843
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: eleven and five. Patriots stumble to eight and mate bad

844
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: season in New England. The Bills surprise people, go nine

845
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,239
Speaker 1: and seven, so Pats fall to third place, and the

846
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: Dolphins bought theom out they go five and eleven. We

847
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 1: are dealing with reality in the twenty one century in

848
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 1: American Pro football, which means the Patriots go thirteen and

849
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 1: three win the division. The other three teams go seven

850
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: and nine. Mark, I have got the Patriots winning the

851
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: division because there's only one division where this happens every year.

852
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 1: The Patriots go eleven and five, the Jets that would

853
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: be their worst season. Well, Dan did mention some hiccups.

854
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: I don't totally think those should be dismissed. Jets eight

855
00:45:06,920 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: and eight right down the middle, the Dolphins seven and

856
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: nine based on a late season surgeon in the Bills

857
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:20,399
Speaker 1: five and ten and one. It's a little easter egg.

858
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to reveal who they tied by the

859
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 1: end of these predict at the end of this week.

860
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: Next week, I'll look into that. Alright, Time for part two, uh,

861
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: the Fantasy Extravaganza. Can we bring our guests in? Here's

862
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: here's a man on his way coming into the studio

863
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: right now, and I don't believe this is his first

864
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: time in the Round the NFL Podcast. I believe it is.

865
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: Is it? It is that it was a second converse

866
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: or second you would never forget. Oh my goodness, here

867
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: we go. I'm just putting on the that'd set Marcus Grant, bababe,

868
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: what's up. I'm glad to be here and this is

869
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 1: so great. I'm gonna snapchat part of the experience here

870
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I've moved up to uh, I moved

871
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,880
Speaker 1: up to the gold standard of podcasts here at the

872
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: netward and so I'm just glad to be here right now. Yeah, Mark,

873
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant never happens to stuff like that, never happens

874
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 1: to anybody except from Marcus. Wow, that's a boomerang drop.

875
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,759
Speaker 1: I'm impressed. Boomerang, boomerang. You know. The thing is, I'm

876
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant. He was Marcus Graham, So that was very close.

877
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 1: Marcus is not Marcus Graham. Marcus Grant is a writer,

878
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: uh and television personality for the NFL. Uh are you

879
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: the NFL Live? NFL Fantasy Live Team? Is that the title? Yep,

880
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: it's the official corporate title for both the television program

881
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and the podcast. And what's going on this season with

882
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: NFL Fantasy Live? Um? What we Actually, We've got a

883
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: spa and off. Now we are. We're back on the

884
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: network September five, five pm Eastern. So while you guys

885
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 1: are all out grilling, or maybe not you guys, but

886
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: while the general public is out grilling and joying their

887
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: labor day, we'll be hard at work with our our

888
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: show back on the network at five pm Eastern, and

889
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: then at six pm Eastern, a brand new show called

890
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: Fantasy and Friends. Different show, They different show generous of

891
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: you had even mentioned them, because now you're somewhat rivals.

892
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 1: There are a lot of our friends there, mean, Dave

893
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Damask will be hosting. I believe Adam Rank will be

894
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: on the program as well. So when a show labels

895
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: itself out fronts us and friends, are they are they

896
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: even remotely friends in real life? These people, Well, I

897
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 1: think that's gonna be when they tell all book comes out,

898
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 1: then we'll start to get into some of that. But

899
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: for right now, we're we're putting on a public space

900
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: and we're very uniform. You guys have been doing this

901
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: how many years? Four years on the network? This well

902
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: for me, this will be season number four, but they

903
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: were on the network a couple of years before I

904
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: came to Let's get back to Mark's point, a little

905
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: combust the bowl, I would think, I mean the group,

906
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: there's some personalities involved. I think they has a high

907
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:09,280
Speaker 1: ceiling potential, there's levels, there's egos involved. Are I wouldn't

908
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: call it a symbiotic organism that that would suggest that

909
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: parasitic at some point? I don't know. I mean that's

910
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 1: a two TV shows, that's that's a lot, that's a

911
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: lot of success to balance it is. It is indeed,

912
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 1: but you guys do a great job, and that's why

913
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: we wanted to make sure we've got Marcus involved for

914
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 1: today's segment, in which we discuss quarterbacks and tight ends

915
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: our own. We talked about wide receivers and running backs

916
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: in our Monday podcast, and now we're going to talk

917
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: about uh, these two positions and a good way again.

918
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: I think to get into it is talk overrated and

919
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: underrated based on some and take notes. Marcus adp insanity.

920
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,720
Speaker 1: I was waiting for like a drop or something apparently

921
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: on the show, so little a DP insanity. So let's

922
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: talk about podcast tips if you want to use that.

923
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: You know totally we are always looking for things to

924
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: spruce up the Fantasy Life podcast. And you don't take

925
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: it personally when I throw it out there that I

926
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: gotta big fish. No, not at all. People thought, oh,

927
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: what does that leave? Where does that leave Marcus? I

928
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: don't it's not a shot. Look, as a fantasy community,

929
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: we are all inclusive, and we realize there are other

930
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 1: people outside of this building who also do good work.

931
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: So we've had no beef with that. All right, good,

932
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: All right, here we go let's talk about it. I

933
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 1: would like more beef within the fantasy community. I want

934
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: more fantasy writer on fantasy writer cross. See. The problem

935
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: is there's so much we get, so much strife from

936
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 1: outside the fantasy community that we've all been forced to

937
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: fanned together to you know, fight a common enemy. You

938
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 1: know who's taking shots from the outside. The common enemy

939
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: is like people who don't believe in Jeff Janice is

940
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: a difference making wide receiver that that is. Packer Nation

941
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: is not pleased with that. And Jeff Janis has maybe

942
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: the largest fanboy contingent in the fantasy community that those

943
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,080
Speaker 1: folks get a little bit riled up when you say

944
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: bad things about him. All right, let's talk about some

945
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: overrated quarterbacks. And again this is fantasy, so an overrated

946
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 1: quarterback in real life maybe that's a stretch. But when

947
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,240
Speaker 1: you're talking about is a fantasy entity who is overrated

948
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 1: in accordance to where they're going on draft boards this summer,

949
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: the first thing that comes to mind for me is

950
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger and and a lot of drafts, this guy

951
00:50:35,280 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: is coming off the board is maybe the fourth or

952
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,760
Speaker 1: fifth quarterback in a lot of leagues. And let's be honest,

953
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: no mar Tavis Bryant this year, which is a big loss.

954
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,520
Speaker 1: No Levian Bell for three games, which takes away a

955
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: big pass catcher out of the backfield. We have no

956
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 1: idea what the status of Ladarius Green is gonna be

957
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: this season. So yeah, Antonio Brown is great, There's no

958
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: doubt about it. But right now that's kind of the

959
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: only weapon. You're on top of that talking about a

960
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: quarterback who at some point is going to be hurt,

961
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: because that's just what Ben Roethlisberger doesn't look. He may

962
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: be out on the field and trying to gut through it,

963
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: but he will be less than a hundred percent. So

964
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: the idea that he's going to be just lights out again.

965
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 1: I think what happens is people look at what the

966
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: Steelers offense did as a group last year and just

967
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 1: try to carry it over this year. But a lot

968
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: of those factors that made that group so successful, especially

969
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:24,919
Speaker 1: from a fantasy perspective, either aren't fair or a gonna

970
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: be at a hundred percent this year. I think that's fair.

971
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: I love Roethlisberger as an NFL quarterback, but there's so

972
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: much unsettled there, and you mentioned Ladarius Green. They have

973
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,239
Speaker 1: no idea when he's gonna play. They don't know who

974
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: their number three is gonna be. There's a lot unsettled.

975
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: Last year you had, for instance, the Broncos game where

976
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: you've got Chris Harris on one guy and uh, keep

977
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: to leave on the other guy, Marcus Wheaton goes wild.

978
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: He's not gonna have that opportunity. If quarterbacks late in

979
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: the draft, which will get to that, it's like, if

980
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: you're gonna take one that early, you better be very confident. Yeah. Now,

981
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean other than if if you're taking a quarterback early,

982
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 1: you're looking at you know, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Uh,

983
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, Russell Wilson. I think are the three guys

984
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: that go kind of early. Beyond that, you can wait

985
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: a couple maybe mid rounds you're looking at a Drew

986
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: Brees or Carson Palmer. But you know, if you are

987
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: about waiting on quarterbacks, you can wait until the double

988
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 1: digit wounds and still get somebody good. I'll throw out

989
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: another big name then as overrated. I don't get why

990
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 1: Tom Brady is getting taken so early in the first

991
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 1: four games of the season, and he'll come back and

992
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,360
Speaker 1: he'll be solid. But as his oris fantasy number is

993
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: gonna be that Yeah, that much better than some of

994
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:37,919
Speaker 1: the guys getting taken lately. You're convinced that he's gonna

995
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: light up the scoreboard. Absolutely. I think their offense is

996
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 1: absolutely loaded because for he's going in the sixth round

997
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: right now, for him to go in the sixth round,

998
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: he better be the top. I don't quarterback. I don't

999
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: have an issue with that because the whole, the whole

1000
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 1: philosophy on fantasy football should be to find a weekly advantage.

1001
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 1: And if you're convinced that Tom Brady is gonna be

1002
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: a weekly advantage for you starting in October her I

1003
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: got no problem with that. What's maybe you're confident enough

1004
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 1: as a fantasy owner to go oh and four and

1005
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: then have a great comeback story. It should be easy

1006
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,839
Speaker 1: enough to find quarterbacks. That would be an argument, you know,

1007
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 1: to take him. I guess that you can find a

1008
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: good backup. I guess I've seen enough Patriots up and

1009
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: down that he doesn't always light up huge stats each

1010
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: and every season. I know he's tended that way lately.

1011
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 1: They were averaging thirty five points a game with everyone

1012
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 1: healthy last year. I mean, I I go both ways

1013
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 1: on this. I feel like sixth rounds seems a little

1014
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: bit too early for me to reach for Tom Brady,

1015
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 1: just because of the four games he's going to miss.

1016
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: But I do agree with West that when he's back,

1017
00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: he will be productive for you weekend and week out.

1018
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: It just means that if you are taking that chance

1019
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: on Tom Brady, obviously you're probably gonna have to go

1020
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: get a second quarterback a little bit earlier than you

1021
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,920
Speaker 1: otherwise would West. Overrated overrated duo right here, Derek Carr

1022
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins going in the late ninth, early tenth

1023
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 1: round around the same area as Tony Romo, and I

1024
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: would take Romo over both those guys without a doubt. Yeah,

1025
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 1: give me Blake Bortles like way before both of those

1026
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: guys too. No way are you trusting Kirk Cousins to

1027
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: repeat what he did last year. No way are you

1028
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 1: trusting the Shawan, Jackson and Jordan reed to stay healthy

1029
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: for sixteen games. Throw Pierre Garson in there too. This

1030
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 1: is one of the most injury prone receiving corps in

1031
00:54:13,560 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: the NFL, and Kirk Cousins is not gonna have the

1032
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 1: easy schedule he head last year. I'm gonna say it

1033
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,319
Speaker 1: just because I have to, because it's August and it's

1034
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: the NFL calendar. Do you handcuff Tony Romo at Dak Prescott? Wow? No,

1035
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: But you know I will say this about Dak Prescott.

1036
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: You know, maybe this is going a little too deep,

1037
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: but for anybody playing in dynasty leagues, look at Dak Prescott.

1038
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean, just what we saw on him so far.

1039
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: I know it's preseason, but what we've seen on in

1040
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:42,800
Speaker 1: him and the fact that the dude was a baller

1041
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: in college. You know, I don't think you can be overlooked.

1042
00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: So if you're looking down the road realizing that Tony Romo,

1043
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: because of his injury history, may not be too much

1044
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: longer for this league, Dak Prescott could have a future.

1045
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: Let's throw out another overrated quarterback. Anybody jump in, anybody, Eli, WHOA,

1046
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: I disagree on my underrated Yeah. I just think that

1047
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I'm now not convinced that they're gonna

1048
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: go up and down the field as as easily as

1049
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,520
Speaker 1: that was in his offensive line an issue last year. Yeah,

1050
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: it might be worse though this year. Marcus. I don't know,

1051
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: if you're a listener to the show or how well

1052
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,759
Speaker 1: you know Greg. But there are two Super Bowls I

1053
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: like lad the New York giantson upset victory over the Patriots,

1054
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,359
Speaker 1: and it's never he's never quite gotten. What do you guys,

1055
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 1: what do you guys think about Andrew Luck going in

1056
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,319
Speaker 1: the fourth fifth round. It's like he had that bad

1057
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: a season and he's not getting penalized. Reminds me of

1058
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,800
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacey. You'd like to get these guys at a discount.

1059
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: I have no problem with Luck going there. You just

1060
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: like to get him at a discount, and you're not

1061
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: getting him at a well. I feel like Andrew Luck

1062
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,879
Speaker 1: was coming at a discount earlier in the summer, and

1063
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,440
Speaker 1: as we've gotten closer to the start of the season,

1064
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: we've started talking him up a little bit more and

1065
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: that has boosted his draft position. But you know, I

1066
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 1: think last year. I'd like to believe last year was

1067
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 1: something of a speed bump, and what we saw of

1068
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 1: him earlier in his career from a fantasy perspective, is

1069
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: more indicative of who he is. I would prefer if

1070
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 1: he took better care of the football than he has

1071
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 1: in the past, but in terms of his ability to

1072
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 1: produce I think Luck is going to be a good

1073
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: guy to have. Uh, you have another un overrated West

1074
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,680
Speaker 1: for we move on to underrated Andy Dalton. Let me's

1075
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: find out where he's going to get is going surprisingly late,

1076
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: which you know. I I think what we saw of

1077
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: him last year, I don't know if he's as good

1078
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 1: as we saw last year, but I don't think he's

1079
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: as bad as he has been in the past. And

1080
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,399
Speaker 1: where he's going off the board in draft, I think

1081
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 1: it makes him actually a pretty I really think this

1082
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 1: is gonna be a Jeremy Hill led offense this year.

1083
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: The way their personnel is set up, the way Jeremy

1084
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: Hill looks in the preseason, I think it's gonna be

1085
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: a lot more run heavy than it was last season.

1086
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 1: All right, before we move on to underrated, I just

1087
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: want to check in over. Let's take a walk down

1088
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:51,880
Speaker 1: the road. M take a visit to the Old Street

1089
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:55,320
Speaker 1: corner where there he is leaning up against the poll,

1090
00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 1: white T shirt, tight type jeans. Oh, so, stuff going

1091
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:02,200
Speaker 1: on in the city tonight. Yeah, it's it's rambunctious in

1092
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: the city. I mean I'm safe. I think the listener

1093
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: is safe because I've essentially been shaved out of the segment.

1094
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean you've wisely brought someone in with it basically

1095
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 1: the same name as me to offer, you know, infinitely

1096
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: more valuable fantasy advice. So I can shave minutes off

1097
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: the show by shutting up at this point, continue on, Okay,

1098
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: we'll come back to you. Okay, Wow, alright, underrated quarterback?

1099
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: Uh in accordance with a DP so many. I mean

1100
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: this is a position where you want to wait. I

1101
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: love what you said about Tony Romo, would love to

1102
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: take him in the tenth round. Let's go for another

1103
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: couple of guys late, Tyrod Taylor and Matthew Stafford. I

1104
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: mean Matthew Stafford I think is set up to have

1105
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: a great fantasy season when I when I talked about

1106
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: Tom Brady in the sixth round. That's why I would wait,

1107
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: because these guys should be four thousand yard type quarterbacks.

1108
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: And if you can get four thousand yard type of

1109
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:58,440
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that late, then why not wait. I like Tyrod

1110
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 1: Taylor a lot. I like Matt Stafford a lot um

1111
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:02,440
Speaker 1: a guy. One of the guys I have on my

1112
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: list is Jamis Winston, who I think one he he

1113
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:08,320
Speaker 1: got rid of the Dad Bod at least if the

1114
00:58:08,360 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 1: photos or two he believed he he got rid of

1115
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: Dad Bod. He's had a full offseason to kind of

1116
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: work with Mike Evans, who I think, by the way,

1117
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: yardage wise, Mike Evans was pretty good last year. The

1118
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: touchdown numbers were not what you want, but I think

1119
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: that's gonna go up if Austin Safari and Jenkins can

1120
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: get his head screwed on straight. He's a really athletic

1121
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: presence in the middle of the field, and you'll still

1122
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 1: have Charles Simms is a guy who comes out of

1123
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: the backfield on third down to catch passes. The only

1124
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: thing I think that you won't see from Jamis this year.

1125
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 1: I don't know that you'll see the rushing touchdown numbers

1126
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: because that's generally not part of his game. But I

1127
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: think he'll make up for it with what he does

1128
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: throwing the football. And look, I don't expect their defense

1129
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: to be very good, which means they're gonna be in

1130
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: a lot of high scoring games, are gonna be playing

1131
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 1: from behind, and that means Jamis is gonna throw the

1132
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: ball more. Second year leap there you go. In no

1133
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: way would take Jamis Winston over Marcus Mariota as a

1134
00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: fantasy where's he going? Winston's going in late eleventh round,

1135
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: so people are not really Mariota is going round. I like,

1136
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: I just I worry about the guys catching the ball

1137
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: from him, and they're gonna be an aggressive offense that

1138
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: throws the ball at time. But I like I like

1139
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 1: Mariota's talent. I like his skill set. I just don't

1140
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: like his weapons. That he's gonna run more often this

1141
00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 1: year too. And he's also way better in the red

1142
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: zone than Jameis Winston. Mariota is excellent in the red zone. Uh,

1143
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: if you don't like Ben Roethlisberger and you have issues

1144
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: with Tom Brady, Carson Palmer and Blake Bortles are going

1145
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 1: around round and a half later than those guys. Carson

1146
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: Palmer must have been one of the top three or

1147
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: four fantasy quarterbacks last year. Blake bortles numbers had to

1148
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 1: have been awesome. These guys are leading stacked offenses this year,

1149
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,800
Speaker 1: and I love those guys in the middle of the draft.

1150
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:46,760
Speaker 1: Blake Bortles won my inaugural Mark Boulger Award last year,

1151
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 1: which is the It is the award I give out

1152
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: to the fantasy quarterback who succeeds in spite of himself

1153
00:59:52,800 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: just because I love I remember having Mark Boulger on teams,

1154
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: and the typical Mark Boulger's stat line would be three

1155
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 1: thirty yards, four touchdowns, three picks. And that was kind

1156
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: of Blake Borders when he throw a couple of early

1157
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 1: interceptions but then would battle back and you know, put

1158
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:07,920
Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of yards in touchdowns. He is

1159
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: on the watch list. I don't know that he's the

1160
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: early leader for that award right now, that's Andrew Luck,

1161
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 1: but Blake Bordles is a guy who was certainly on

1162
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: the the Mark Boulger Award watch list. Again. In also

1163
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 1: Matt Ryan down here in the late twelfth round, I

1164
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: think the Falcons offense is gonna be a lot better

1165
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: than other people think. No way, I would take Kirk

1166
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 1: Cousins over him. Um, I got it because I I

1167
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 1: go back and forth on Matt Ryan, and I guess

1168
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: my my finally evaluation. How do you feel about Mohammed Sanu?

1169
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 1: I guess well, I wrote the Making the Late piece

1170
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,440
Speaker 1: on him. I think he's good for eighty touches and

1171
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: a thousand yards. Then I think that that inflates the

1172
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: value of Matt Ryan in that offense. Greg give us

1173
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 1: another underrated quarterback before we move on, how about Philip Rivers.

1174
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 1: I think that Chargers offense is going to be a

1175
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:53,360
Speaker 1: lot better than people think. I think he's gonna move

1176
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: up and down the field. I like a nice safe quarterback.

1177
01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: If you're going going that late in the draft, I

1178
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: think he's very safe to go over for housing yeards.

1179
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: I love Philip Rivers. I think I think on top

1180
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 1: of it, Keenan Allen. I think he's gonna have a

1181
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 1: huge year. He's going to be a big recipient of that.

1182
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: And plus I like the fact that Philip Rivers basically

1183
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 1: said one of our goals this year is to get

1184
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,600
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates the tight end touchdown record. So I'm on

1185
01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: board with that. How many does it needs? He needs

1186
01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: eight to pass Tony Gonzalez. Maybe do that about you, buddy,

1187
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,120
Speaker 1: One more guy, Yeah, one more guy. Well, I just

1188
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:27,840
Speaker 1: out for the counterpoint to Eli Manning. I've said several

1189
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 1: times on this podcast, I believe he's a dark horse

1190
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: to lead the NFL and touchdowns for one simple reason.

1191
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: He's got Odell Beckham, and if you got Odell Beckham,

1192
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: You're gonna be a good fantasy quarterback. Sterling Shepherds another reason,

1193
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: even though Dan loaths that guy, something's going on there.

1194
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: How do you hate Sterling Shepherd? The buzz this year's

1195
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: Reggie Bush for Dan would not surprised me. If this

1196
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: is Eli's first forty touchdown season, wow wow um. And

1197
01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 1: now let's move on to tight ends. And you know,

1198
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: tight ends not as sexy certainly as quarterbacks, but spend

1199
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: a little time talking about it. It It will take up

1200
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: a roster spot. Uh well, there are certain guys that

1201
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: will really help your team week to week. Give us

1202
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,720
Speaker 1: one though, Greg that maybe people got to calm down

1203
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: with if they want to draft them high. Well, I

1204
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: bet everyone wrote this down. How is Kobe Fleiner getting

1205
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 1: taken in the sixth round? That? That was one of

1206
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,040
Speaker 1: the craziest ones I saw this whole week. Kobe Fleeer'

1207
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: is the is the sixth best option on that on

1208
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: that offense at best? Look like I would rather have.

1209
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: Isn't the idea if you can turn Ben Watson into

1210
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,200
Speaker 1: a tight and I think that's the idea argument. I

1211
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:36,439
Speaker 1: think that's a fast little idea because if you listen

1212
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: to what Sjohn Payton is saying about Kobe Fleiner in

1213
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 1: terms of his struggles picking up the offense. Some of

1214
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,880
Speaker 1: the reports. Uh, I think they're gonna want guys that

1215
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: are more reliable, that can block a little bit. And

1216
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: I like Michael Thomas better. I like Brandon Cook's better,

1217
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: like mark Ingram better, like C. J. Spiller better. It's

1218
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: like all these players that a better at football than

1219
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 1: Kobe Fleiner. Ultimately, I want I want to go with them.

1220
01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: Another reason why it's a fast little argument. Ben Watson

1221
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: was in that offense for what a decade before he

1222
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: was thrust into the tight end one role. Kobe Fleaner

1223
01:03:03,640 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: has never been in that offense before. Fassel, we're gonna

1224
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,600
Speaker 1: put two people in a row use the word. I

1225
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,760
Speaker 1: just like, is that your corner? Wait, let's check in

1226
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: on the corner. I got nothing for you were saying.

1227
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting that Greg tried to

1228
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 1: use a big money were there and word. I mean,

1229
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 1: let's stick to it's a it's a parlor game, let's

1230
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: stick to it. I've actually happy you said that, Greg,

1231
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm the only fantasy analyst in

1232
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: America who has not jumped on the Kobe Fleaner fandwagon.

1233
01:03:31,680 --> 01:03:33,800
Speaker 1: He's not like it's the main thing with fans. We

1234
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: can talk about it fridays. Just take players that you

1235
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 1: believe are really good NFL players because over the years, like, yes,

1236
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: some sometimes mediocre players will have big numbers seasons, but

1237
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: it doesn't happen that. Did you hear that? Can we

1238
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,320
Speaker 1: go back to the corners? How could I say Gregg

1239
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: turning into a real analyst. You just really need really

1240
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:54,240
Speaker 1: good NFL players. Next thing you know, he's gonna gonna

1241
01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: really good National Football League players. Well. By the way,

1242
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: Sean Payton very recently within hours called Kobe Fleaner a

1243
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: work in progress. So Delandy Delandy Walker is going after him.

1244
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: I love the lady. Let's save let's save him for underrating. Uh,

1245
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,920
Speaker 1: you're you're sure, you're safe. By the way, Mark, I

1246
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: have something to say, but I'll wait. No, you're safe.

1247
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 1: I am safe on the corner to hear what's going on.

1248
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: He's a little bit Listen, I'm like Marlow Stanfield's corner right,

1249
01:04:23,320 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: an overrated entity at tight end. Jordan Reid going in

1250
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: the middle of the fourth round. I love this guy.

1251
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,439
Speaker 1: Last year when the fantasy community decided he was too

1252
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 1: injury prone to even draft. You don't want him at all.

1253
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: You don't want Jordan Reid. He'll never stay healthy. That

1254
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,760
Speaker 1: he's not, and he's not any more talented than he

1255
01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: was last year at this time. He just stayed healthy

1256
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: for a while. I love Jordan Reid's talent, but if

1257
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: you're counting on him to stay healthy for sixteen games,

1258
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention to Jordan Reid. Yeah. I know

1259
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: it's gonna have their fantasy community. The thing I have

1260
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,240
Speaker 1: really decided that, because of the nature of the game,

1261
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 1: sixteen games is kind of great for anybody. The fantasy

1262
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,440
Speaker 1: regular season generally is thirteen games. If I can get

1263
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:06,560
Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen games out of a guy, I'm gonna

1264
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: be okay with that. And so if I can get

1265
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 1: thirteen to fourteen games out of Jordan Read, I'm fine there.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Cam. Fourth round is crazy though, because

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Speaker 1: you just have to think of who's available at other

1268
01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: positions in the fourth round, like dud would you rather

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01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: have Cam Newton or Jordan Read. It is because the

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01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,760
Speaker 1: tight end position is very top heavy. You've got two

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01:05:22,840 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: or three guys, say that every year, and then guys

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Speaker 1: like Jordan to Read are available in the twelfth I

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01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 1: don't see. I would say it's top heavy because Gronk

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01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: is the top, but after that, then the next five

1275
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,919
Speaker 1: or six guys. To me, Delandy Walker is the same

1276
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: as as if you want to talk overrated tight ends,

1277
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: and this might might you know, get me disinvited from

1278
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: the show. Cronk at the end of the first round

1279
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: seems a little bit. It seems ambitious for me, especially

1280
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 1: because the gap between Gronk and everybody else is starting

1281
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: to close a little bit. It's not that he's got

1282
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 1: the best it's not that he's not the best tight

1283
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 1: end inst to one of my points about the page,

1284
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 1: but I think that gap is starting to close, and

1285
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 1: to spend a late first round pick on him when

1286
01:05:59,920 --> 01:06:02,400
Speaker 1: there's still a lot of quality wide receivers or running

1287
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,400
Speaker 1: backs out there. If I could hold on and get

1288
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: Gronk late second round, I feel a little bit better

1289
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: about it. Just to go on record here, I would

1290
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:11,439
Speaker 1: never ever fault anyone for drafting Gronk at any point

1291
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: in their fantasy drink. I would fault people. You know

1292
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: what's going to happen this year some people are gonna

1293
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:21,600
Speaker 1: draft Glenn Gronkowski. Yeah, you think, Well, similarly last year, like, hey,

1294
01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 1: I was Gronk still here in the fourth round. Well,

1295
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 1: that's how you know whether you have a good commissioner

1296
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 1: or not, whether he allows you to overturn that pick.

1297
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 1: If if you have like Greg Williams as your commissioner,

1298
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 1: he'd be like, no, you stuck with a mistake. You

1299
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: deal with it. Similarly, last year, when when Cardinals running

1300
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,439
Speaker 1: back David Johnson was going berserk, there were some people

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01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,960
Speaker 1: who took the backup charger tight end by the same

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01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:48,160
Speaker 1: all right, underrated tight end. I will go, I'll let

1303
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:51,000
Speaker 1: West have a someone. I'll go Julius Thomas this year.

1304
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: I I love that offense, I love his chances to

1305
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: improve late, and I love where he's getting taken. What

1306
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: is it the eighth ninth rounds? I love that. I

1307
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: think Julis Thomas is gonna be huge this year. I

1308
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,600
Speaker 1: think he's gonna bounce back a lot. I'll give you

1309
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: a name, Jared Cook, who a lot of people are

1310
01:07:08,440 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: sleeping on just because because of his past and what

1311
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 1: he how he underperformed, but he's in the best offense

1312
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:16,760
Speaker 1: he's ever played. With He's you know, catching passes from

1313
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 1: the best quarterback he could ever imagine to play with.

1314
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: And the Packers have been looking for a tight end

1315
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: since Jamichael Finley was forced to retire, and he's that guy.

1316
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 1: Lot of similarity. By the way, Dan, here's your symbiotic relationship.

1317
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:33,439
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and Jared Cook helping each other areas which

1318
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 1: they both needed help. Jared Cook, when's the last time

1319
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: he had a decent quarterback? Never Aaron Rodgers. When's the

1320
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 1: last time he had a speedy tight end? Jaremichael Finley.

1321
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,800
Speaker 1: I think it's a good point. I endorsed Julius Thomas

1322
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,800
Speaker 1: and Jared Cook. Delaney Walker. This is crazy that Jordan

1323
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 1: Reed is going three rounds ahead of Delaney Walker. Delaney

1324
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: Walker had better numbers last year and as a healthier player.

1325
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: Mariota loves throwing down the scene, and Mariota is money

1326
01:07:58,120 --> 01:08:01,160
Speaker 1: on accuracy down the scene. Delaney Walker's his guy. Not

1327
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:03,800
Speaker 1: a Tennessee thing is the people just not just not

1328
01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 1: have to speed on what's absolutely oh yeah he has.

1329
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,640
Speaker 1: He has the stink of the Titans on him. I

1330
01:08:08,640 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 1: know that for sure. But that's that's the reason that

1331
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: I will pass on Jordan Reed in the third or

1332
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: fourth round and wait until like the ninth round in

1333
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: draft Delaney Walker, I just want to test on the Mark.

1334
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 1: Are you doing right now? I am doing Okay. This

1335
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 1: is the most absurd thing I've ever experienced in my

1336
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: adult life. Alright, um, all right, let's now formally we've

1337
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: we've teased it a lot. We're actually gonna go over

1338
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: there now. We're just gonna stay there for a bit. There. Uh,

1339
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: we're heading over to the fantasy corner. There's Mark leaning

1340
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,879
Speaker 1: up against that light post, tight white T shirt jeans.

1341
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 1: I listen, nothing left to the imagination pack of Marlboro

1342
01:08:49,439 --> 01:08:52,640
Speaker 1: reds up in the up in the sleeves. Mark m

1343
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 1: kind of hand, dazed and confused. Mark street corners from

1344
01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: nineteen fifty toothpick in his mouth. Mark talked to Mark,

1345
01:09:00,840 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: and you've been a wonderful guess Marcus number one. So

1346
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't mean to disparage your industry, but I have

1347
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 1: no other move. That is my move, and I have

1348
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:11,840
Speaker 1: a statement to make about the fantasy football industry. Look

1349
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: at me, says the fantasy football enthusiasts, completely unaware of

1350
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:19,400
Speaker 1: his surroundings. Check out my lineup look at my strong

1351
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: receiver position, he says, I'm loaded it wide out. That

1352
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 1: was my philosophy going into the draft. It's a passing league,

1353
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:30,160
Speaker 1: you know. Then the fantasy football on Thursday enthusiasts turns

1354
01:09:30,160 --> 01:09:33,799
Speaker 1: to you, his coffee breath burning into your face, saying,

1355
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,240
Speaker 1: over and over, look at my team, Look at my lineup,

1356
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: Look at my players. Look who I picked, Look what

1357
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 1: I achieved. Look how I lean exclusively on the accomplishments

1358
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 1: of others, Yet angle it is some sort of strategic

1359
01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 1: coup data on my part. Look how a depth I

1360
01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 1: am at strategy picking my lineup? It does. Look at

1361
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,760
Speaker 1: my players, look at my special decisions, Look at my

1362
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:00,840
Speaker 1: ability to drown out real life issues and relationships in

1363
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: favor of a straw man parlor game based entirely on

1364
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: real man accomplishing things on a distant field. Then the

1365
01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: fantasy football enthusiast bursts into a sweat, thinking about himself.

1366
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:15,799
Speaker 1: Is hot. Vapors of self admiration swirl off his body.

1367
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:19,640
Speaker 1: I am special, he whispers, I am different, in strategic

1368
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: and unique in the distance. Mother Russia celebrates her final

1369
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: stirring victory over a dangerously lost American generation. Wow, that

1370
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 1: you know what that reminded me of when you were

1371
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,280
Speaker 1: doing the whole Look at my It was like Ozzy

1372
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: Mandius the poem, but from Percy Shelley, look at my

1373
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:43,599
Speaker 1: mighty work. Look. Look, I don't think over on the

1374
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 1: owner never even heard of the guy talking. I don't

1375
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: think they've ever had such an accurate depiction of Mark

1376
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,160
Speaker 1: Sessler's ID like that was on the page. Well, I

1377
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable because we have a true uh. I mean

1378
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: the three have three people in the room built their

1379
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,400
Speaker 1: careers off fantasy. So I'm gonna get out of here

1380
01:11:03,400 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: as quick as possible. Here's the thing. I I appreciate

1381
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 1: that because I feel like, you know, I understand our

1382
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,760
Speaker 1: placing the universe. I you know, I tell people like

1383
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:14,559
Speaker 1: I work hard at what I do, But if we

1384
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: woke up tomorrow and there was no more fantasy, the

1385
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:17,960
Speaker 1: world would be no worse off. Well, by the way,

1386
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: SAME's the same one applied to football analysis in general,

1387
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: if you really want to stretch it out. So you

1388
01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: guys are doing important work here, but I don't. I work.

1389
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,840
Speaker 1: I work in the toy department of the news room,

1390
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: you know. So we got nineties seconds to talk about

1391
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: anything else on your mind on this quarterback tight end situation.

1392
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 1: And that's why we need to lean hard right now

1393
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:46,559
Speaker 1: on some five o'clock delight. I get going. I'm not

1394
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,719
Speaker 1: drafting Jimmy Graham, period. I don't trust any football player

1395
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: coming off a teller tendon surgery. Do not draft Jimmy Graham.

1396
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,519
Speaker 1: If you're gonna take a quarterback early, if that's just

1397
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,479
Speaker 1: your thing, it's gotta be Russell Wilson. I would say,

1398
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: if you are looking at tight ends or so many

1399
01:12:00,520 --> 01:12:02,080
Speaker 1: you can get in the late rounds. In fact, you

1400
01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: might even be able to get a good one off

1401
01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: the waiver wire if you want quest Zach Hurt, draft

1402
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,040
Speaker 1: him instead of some of these bums going early. Greg,

1403
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 1: it's called eight o'clock to light Tyler Eifert is injured

1404
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,720
Speaker 1: to start the year, why waste the mid round pick

1405
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 1: on him when the points. I believe in a lot

1406
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: of the late round quarterbacks, and it's okay to draft too.

1407
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 1: Don't let them fool you. The corner, the corner, I'm

1408
01:12:32,680 --> 01:12:41,240
Speaker 1: going out, everyone's going out. Wait, what's happening? I'm concerned

1409
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: from its half your fantasy season in a nutshell, oh no,

1410
01:12:50,920 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: nihilistic look at life. Your corner doesn't exist anymore. Finally, Uh,

1411
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: after Titans act like the Titans are an NFL team,

1412
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,799
Speaker 1: Just listen to Mark's fantasy corter on repeat right before

1413
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:15,560
Speaker 1: your draft, Marcus, Uh, load up on the Cardinals. Why not? Alright? Absolutely?

1414
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: I was struggling. Alright, listen, we guys run favors the bold.

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01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 1: There you go. That is Fantasy Extravaganza Part two. Uh.

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01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant can be found on Twitter at Marcus with

1417
01:13:31,040 --> 01:13:33,560
Speaker 1: a strange spelling. Let's just call m A r c

1418
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: A s my My parents have doomed me to a

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01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,040
Speaker 1: lifetime of misspelled mail. Yes, m A r c A

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01:13:40,040 --> 01:13:43,040
Speaker 1: A s g as Marcus Grant. That's where you can

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01:13:43,080 --> 01:13:46,760
Speaker 1: find him. Um, and thank you very much for joining us.

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01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: You guys do great work on the NFL dot com

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01:13:48,520 --> 01:13:51,519
Speaker 1: slash fantasy side. Thanks for having me. Now that we that,

1424
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: now that we are all neighbors in the newsroom, Uh,

1425
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's nice and it's just kind of synergy here. Absolutely,

1426
01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,960
Speaker 1: Marcus Grant. Baby, that never happens to me. Stuff like

1427
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: that never happens to anybody from Mars. All right, that's

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01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 1: it for today's show. We will be back on Friday

1429
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 1: with a special guests, wrapping up Fantasy Week, and now

1430
01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: we need to just say goodbye, uh to the man,

1431
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: the myth, the legend t D, who ends his run

1432
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 1: at NFL media going off to greener pastures. Perhaps we

1433
01:14:27,439 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 1: don't know if it's gonna go well or not to

1434
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 1: be the biggest mistake of his life. And a year

1435
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,400
Speaker 1: from now he'll be one of those guys it says,

1436
01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: I couldn't done it at the NFL and I blow it.

1437
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 1: That was my big chance and I never understood it

1438
01:14:41,720 --> 01:14:44,320
Speaker 1: till it was God, this got Korean. Probably not Probably

1439
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:48,639
Speaker 1: he'll succeed or you're a huge success. T D. Tom Banking,

1440
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm going with option too. Here in l A. It

1441
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,639
Speaker 1: is Kobe so as I'm gonna shoot my shot, see

1442
01:14:56,640 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: what happens. Good luck to you, buddy. They'd love to you, baby.

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01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 1: Thank h. It is so fitting that it is on

1444
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,000
Speaker 1: day here in Los Angeles. We'll be back on Friday,

1445
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:07,760
Speaker 1: as I said, so make sure you check out the

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01:15:07,800 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 1: part three of the Fantasy extravat Guns. This is Dan

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: hands As signing off for Quiet Star, the Mailman, Marcus Grant,

1448
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,160
Speaker 1: the Boss, and one last time t D behind the

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01:15:20,160 --> 01:16:17,839
Speaker 1: Glass let everybody needs changing against step changing the SEPU