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Speaker 5: as always Righthem Palmer and Brandon Anderson from the Action Network.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna get you through updates on the NBA Playoffs

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Speaker 5: first round series. Where we eat, the value is where

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Speaker 5: we eat, the value is in the games. We're recording

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Speaker 5: this on Thursday after noon, East Coast time, around noon

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Speaker 5: Mountain time where I'm at. Let's go ahead and get

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Speaker 5: cracked on these guys, because there's a lot to get to.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with the Atlanta Hawks at the New York Knicks.

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Speaker 5: The New York Knicks stormback from down significant double digits

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Speaker 5: versus the Atlanta Hawks to eat in the series one

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Speaker 5: to one. Obi Topen did things, which is a nice

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Speaker 5: change of pace, got a big win in the garden.

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Speaker 5: The fans got to see them win. I am very happy, Brandon,

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Speaker 5: because I have this series going over five and a

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Speaker 5: half games. But more importantly, what I really need is

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Speaker 5: I need one more Knicks win, and I can bet

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Speaker 5: the Hawks in this series at a really good price.

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Speaker 5: What are your thoughts on this series heading forward?

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Speaker 6: My thoughts are that I am glad that Knicks fans

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Speaker 6: showed up and that Tips finally left Elfred Peyton on

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Speaker 6: the bench at halftime, finally played the guys that everybody

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Speaker 6: else in the whole world knows are the best players.

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Speaker 6: Because we were staring at just like a complete wash

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Speaker 6: on the Eastern first round right up until about halfway

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Speaker 6: through the third quarter yesterday, I was always starting to

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Speaker 6: think that we were just gonna like sweep through all

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Speaker 6: four of these series. The Hawks looked like they were

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Speaker 6: just in command. They won both of the first two

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Speaker 6: quarters yesterday. Rip to the Knicks first half that we've

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Speaker 6: all been profiting from all year long didn't come through yesterday.

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Speaker 6: The Hawks were just just taking control of things. And

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Speaker 6: I don't feel like New York has a great answer

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Speaker 6: to Trey Young in this, but they did find one

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Speaker 6: yesterday and his name was Nate McMillan, because Trey Young

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Speaker 6: was lighting things up. And then Nate was like, well,

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Speaker 6: this seems like it's kind of boring. Let's just have

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Speaker 6: Trey watch for a while and see if our bench

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Speaker 6: guys can do it. And they could not, because the

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Speaker 6: Knicks bench guys are their real players, and some the

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Speaker 6: Hawks bench players come in and the Knicks ripped off

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Speaker 6: something like like a thirty to eight round or something,

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Speaker 6: and uh, mcmillinson after the game that we were there

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Speaker 6: topped out at their thirty five minute limit, we got

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Speaker 6: coach bud over here.

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Speaker 3: This is the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Like Atlanta had New York on the ropes, they had

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Speaker 6: the chance to put Trey Jung out there a couple

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Speaker 6: and maybe just deliver the knockout blow two zero on

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Speaker 6: the road. I like your chances of Matt of this

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Speaker 6: series going six, because it's really hard to see at

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Speaker 6: in a row to close this out in five and

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Speaker 6: that's all that we need not to happen. Anything over

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Speaker 6: five and a half just means we need neither team

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Speaker 6: it sure looks like we're heading lap direction at this point.

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Speaker 5: So I'll will say this, like, look in game one,

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Speaker 5: Lou Williams was terrific for them off the bench, like

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Speaker 5: they they they had a really no like don't you

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Speaker 5: don't know? Okay, Like no, that's what happened, Like they

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Speaker 5: have a good bench. Like here's the thing. I'll tell

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Speaker 5: you this, Hawks are winning this series. I'm just waiting

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Speaker 5: for the best price. The Hawks are a better team

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Speaker 5: and they're gonna win this series. They are absolutely gonna

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Speaker 5: win this series. One of the things that I noted,

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Speaker 5: I feel very confident the Hawks go win this series.

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Speaker 5: Brandon doesn't think that either team is gonna be able

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Speaker 5: is gonna be gone, Like I want another chance about

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Speaker 5: the Hawks. I just need the Knicks to win one

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Speaker 5: more and I think it'll get a much better price

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Speaker 5: I think the Hawks are decidedly better. Like I'm very

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Speaker 5: glad the Knicks won because it increases my chances of

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Speaker 5: getting the beout the Hawks at a better price.

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Speaker 7: I think that the Hawks are decidedly better, Like I

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Speaker 7: actually took the Hawks first quarter yesterday just because, I mean,

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Speaker 7: we know that. You know, they're starting for Payton and

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Speaker 7: the starting lineup is destroying the Knick starting lineup and

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Speaker 7: the only thing that keeping the Knicks alive is their bench,

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Speaker 7: so they are decidedly better. But last, I mean yesterday

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Speaker 7: think you got to close out that game. I mean,

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Speaker 7: there's no reason for Trey Young to only play thirty

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Speaker 7: five minutes. They had to open shots at the end

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Speaker 7: of the day. Bogdanovich is not gonna go two for

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Speaker 7: thirteen from three every day. Gollinardon he couldn't make anything.

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Speaker 7: don't expect that to happen again. But it's just, you know,

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Speaker 7: when I look at these last two games, it feels

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Speaker 7: thing we can't can't forget is that this is a

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Speaker 7: young team. You know, all these guys are young, and

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Speaker 7: Nate McMillan hasn't had a lot of playoff success. He's

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Speaker 7: only won one playoff series in his last non series.

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Speaker 7: So I do think you can wait, because I do.

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Speaker 7: I can't see the Hawks running away with it even

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Speaker 4: So I think this is going seven. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 7: I actually took the Hawks first quarter in full game yesterday,

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Speaker 7: and I was really disappointed that they didn't close that

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Speaker 7: you know, everybody's betting the Knicks, so you're gonna have

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Speaker 7: your opportunities. Like the whole world was on the Knicks

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Speaker 4: So I think I think you'll get your opportunity.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So I like the Knicks for the full game

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Speaker 5: because I've been first half hand full game yesterday because like, look,

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Speaker 5: you just you're not gonna go to The only way

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Speaker 5: decidedly better or shoots the absolute lights out, like a

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Speaker 5: certain team will get to later. The Knicks are not

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Speaker 5: like it took that really random run. Our colleague Joe Delera,

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Speaker 5: Knicks fan, is like, but they're shooting like they've been

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Speaker 5: I don't really trust your shooters all that much, like

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Speaker 5: but the Hawks blew this opportunity. I think it was

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Speaker 5: a terrible spot, like once you get that split, like,

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Speaker 5: it is very rare that you find a team that

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Speaker 5: absolutely is gonna be like buckle like unless it's just

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Speaker 5: a total mismatch. And this isn't a total mismatch. And

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Speaker 5: so like I expect I'm gonna be on the Hawks

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Speaker 5: and Game three. I'm already on the Hawks Game three,

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Speaker 5: then we'll go from there. I may have I may

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Speaker 5: have to bet Hawks and game four as ahead against

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Speaker 5: how many ways I have five and a half over,

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Speaker 5: But in general, the series does look he's gonna go along.

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Speaker 5: I think I'll say this like the whole like like

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Speaker 5: Trey Jung only played thirty five minutes, like I don't think. Look,

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Speaker 5: nicolea Yogic plays like forty five at night. Nicola can

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Speaker 5: Like he is able to play that many minutes.

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Speaker 4: You can't.

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Speaker 5: I don't think you can run tray out there for

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Speaker 5: forty two, like you got to build in some time

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Speaker 5: Maybe thirty eight, sure, maybe he pulled up, maybe he

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Speaker 5: didn't bring him in a little early. But look when

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Speaker 5: oh we top In is leading this big Knicks run,

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Speaker 5: it's just not your night. And I think that, to

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Speaker 5: I'm okay with. I think Nate's a questionable coach. It's

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Speaker 5: another reason I let the series go long. But I'm

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Speaker 5: not going to bag on him for that. Let's keep

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Speaker 1: The Phoenix Sun's at the La Lakes, so.

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Speaker 5: Suns Lakers Game three is tonight as we record this.

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Speaker 5: The Los Angeles Lakers are six and a half point

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Speaker 5: favorites currently at bet MGM, the official OS provider of

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Speaker 5: the Action Network podcast That's Down. I had seen it

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Speaker 5: at seven. I think I saw seven and a half

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Speaker 5: at somewhere at some point in this game. Money line

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Speaker 5: Suns plus two thirty Lakers minus two to seventy five. Rahim,

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Speaker 5: I'm of the opinion that the series. I still think

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Speaker 5: this series is gonna go long. I think the Phoenix

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Speaker 5: Suns are fine. I think if Chris paul injury is

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Speaker 5: If that, if they're hiding that, and I have no

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Speaker 5: way to know that, Like you can't know as much

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Speaker 5: as it's like, but look how we look the stuff

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Speaker 5: with stingers is, Yeah, forty eight hours after it might

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Speaker 5: if you have a really bad one, it might still

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Speaker 5: gonna look a lot better. I wouldn't be surprised if

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Speaker 5: he looked a lot better tonight. If he looks bad again,

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Speaker 5: then sure. I expect the Lakers to win this game.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna win this game. It's the first playoff game

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Speaker 5: in front of Staples with the think about that, this

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Speaker 5: is the first playoff game with Lebron in front of

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Speaker 5: a Staples crowd. They're gonna win this game. But I

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Speaker 5: like the Suns to stay alive in the series. I

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Speaker 5: think the Suns take take game four. I think the

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Speaker 5: series goes long, but I've got no reason to think

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Speaker 5: the Lakers aren't gonna win it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think the Lakers are gonna win this series.

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Speaker 7: I just think this is just another season where Chris

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Speaker 7: Paul has just had miserable injury luck. And you know,

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Speaker 7: you saw it in game one, how bad he looked.

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Speaker 7: he just couldn't score down a stretch. But they don't

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Speaker 7: if they're missing one of their playmakers and Chris Paul,

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Speaker 5: What Campaign, Cam Johnson, Daria Sarrez. Like, they have good

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Speaker 4: At the playmaking position. It is just awesome.

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Speaker 5: What are you talking?

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Speaker 7: Pain has been awesome, But I mean, can you really

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Speaker 6: To The problem is is putting depending on what Chris

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Speaker 5: He's been awesome the entire season. He deserves the six

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Speaker 5: Who's who are we worried about in the Lakers. Who's

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Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, the Lakers are gonna beat you

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Speaker 5: Then what does it matter if Campaign is playing or not.

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Speaker 5: Okay, all right, the way he did, all right, well,

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Speaker 5: I got I got faith in campaign. Campaign has been

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Speaker 5: real clear about how they won this game. Anthony Davis

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Speaker 5: But like, I don't think the Suns are as bodied

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Speaker 7: Yes, oh yeah, I mean I mean without Chris Paul,

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Speaker 4: I mean he's struggling to get to the basket.

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Speaker 7: I mean he managed to hit that fade away, which

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Speaker 7: But I like the under. I think to twelve to eleven.

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Speaker 5: To be honest, Brandon, do you think that the Lakers

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Speaker 6: I do, Actually, that would be right now, that would

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Speaker 6: and it doesn't it doesn't look to me like something

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Speaker 3: Not that we have any idea what the trust of.

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Speaker 5: But hey, real quick, where did you go to med school?

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Speaker 3: Is that all? That's what said.

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Speaker 6: The med school doctors who I follow on Twitter, who

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Speaker 6: And that was the reason to potentially believe in the

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Speaker 6: like I love campaign he's been really good, but I

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Speaker 6: The Lakers should win this in five, even with Lebron

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Speaker 6: That's not going to keep on happening every time. Drummond

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Speaker 3: That game was still tied with like a few.

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Speaker 6: The takeaway to me is I just am increasingly worried

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Speaker 6: so you fell down again, Like as this is not

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Speaker 6: I don't know that the Suns are going to do it.

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Speaker 3: Though.

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Speaker 5: As we are recording this, Chris Paul went through shoot

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Speaker 5: around Michael Bridge says Paul participated in shoot around Thursday

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Speaker 5: and appears to be quote feeling better heading into Game three.

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Speaker 6: Well, here's hoping. You always say about the narrative, and

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Speaker 3: Here they are.

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Speaker 6: They need the play in and they needed a nice

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Speaker 3: And what do we get.

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Speaker 6: Chris Paul's hurt, So the Sons are wounded, wounded first

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Speaker 6: Everything's coming up Lakers, just like it always does.

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Speaker 5: Hey, look, I think they're gonna win the series, you know,

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Speaker 4: Oh, I gotta ask.

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Speaker 7: So, I mean, if you don't think it's gonna be

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Speaker 7: Game four or they get Game five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I did they get Game four? I did they

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Speaker 5: get Game four and Lakers close it in six back

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I can see that one more heroic Suns win.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know. If I don't know if can

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Speaker 5: Lakers four to two is plus one seventy five right now,

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Speaker 5: so it's still not great great value on it again.

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Speaker 5: The Los Angeles Clippers. Down oh two. Rahiem Palmer, owner

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Speaker 5: of many Clippers futures positions Clippers advocate over the last

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Speaker 5: half of the year, I'll just open the floor to

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm totally disgusted with this team.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the biggest thing for me is that Luka

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Speaker 7: it's just for me. I think the biggest issue for

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Speaker 7: Tim Hardaway Junior is shooting sixty four from three in

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Speaker 7: it's just like they can't figure out whether they should

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Speaker 4: I mean, I still think the shooting is unsustainable.

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Speaker 7: So it's just but it's just they have to win

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Speaker 5: I think the Clippers win Game three, so I think

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Speaker 5: they are not out of this yet. I've listened to

435
00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 5: several Clippers podcasts over the last day, one because they're

436
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,679
Speaker 5: funny and too because I'm always interested in, like what

437
00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,280
Speaker 5: the reaction is gonna be. And you do pick up

438
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 5: on the fact that shooting variants and it's been such

439
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:09,119
Speaker 5: an outlier. Now the question is I have seen series

440
00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 5: where it's like you could have got back in this,

441
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 5: you just got a bad beat or bad outlier shooting

442
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 5: or whatever. But you have to have the like this

443
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,359
Speaker 5: is where the narrative stuff really does come into play.

444
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 5: You have to be mentally tough enough to be like

445
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 5: to put it out of your mind and be like, no,

446
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 5: we got We're gonna win this game, Like no matter what,

447
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,639
Speaker 5: we're gonna win this game. And you have to be

448
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,240
Speaker 5: a little bit desperate. And you don't see that from

449
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 5: the Clippers. That's the concern. It's like they don't they're

450
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 5: so determined not to look like they're panicking that it's

451
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,199
Speaker 5: like toy story, this is the perfect time to panic, Like,

452
00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 5: this is the time when you have to panic. This

453
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 5: is the time when you've got to play desperate. This

454
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 5: is the time when you gotta be like no more excuses.

455
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 5: We gotta get this done. We are better than this.

456
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:50,639
Speaker 5: And if you were just like, no, you know what,

457
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,440
Speaker 5: never too high, never too low. You know we can

458
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 5: come back. There's no big deal. There's no concern here

459
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 5: you're gonna lose because the Mavericks are coming for your throat.

460
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 5: They all so this podcasts made a very point of

461
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 5: the Clippers are too focused on trying to slow down

462
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,399
Speaker 5: Luca when you can't just stay home. Honestly, here, you

463
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 5: guys have heard me talk about this all season. All season,

464
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 5: I've talked about how you can't play drop in the playoffs.

465
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 5: It's a nightmare. It's a disaster. I am telling you

466
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,679
Speaker 5: right now. They need to play drop. They had a

467
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 5: lot of success last year in the playoffs versus Luca.

468
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 5: Play and drop it with Zubach. Have Zubach come a

469
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 5: little bit higher up, send Kawhi over the top of

470
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 5: the screen. If he takes those mid range contested shots,

471
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,679
Speaker 5: you're just gonna have to live with them. Do not

472
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 5: let Tim Hardaway Junior hit six threes. Do not let

473
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 5: Dorian Phinney Smith hit four threes. Do not let Jalen

474
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 5: Brunson kill you on layups and threes. Shut everybody else down.

475
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 5: That's the advantage of drop is it allows you to

476
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 5: stay home. That's the whole point. That's why you play it.

477
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 5: That's why you played it eighty percent of the time

478
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 5: this year, Clippers, for the love of god quit They

479
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,720
Speaker 5: tried switching Zubach onto him. What are you doing first off?

480
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 5: Like Zooboch has been played off the floor in this series,

481
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 5: and Surge is gonna play more Like I know Surge

482
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 5: is not healthy. If they can't play him, then that's rough.

483
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 5: But he like you can't go small Morris, is not

484
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 5: it the honestly, you need to banish Morris to another

485
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 5: dimension because every time Lucas sees him, it's that siren

486
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 5: sound from Kill Bill. He just his eyes go red

487
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 5: and he's murdering him. So play Serge or play zoo Botch,

488
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 5: play drop coverage, send Kawhi over the top. That's how

489
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 5: you get back in the series. Like, you cannot win

490
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 5: a shootout with this Mavericks team. You are not going

491
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 5: to do it. You are not good enough offensively. I

492
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 5: know that the studying, given how many how well great

493
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 5: you were at three point shooting this year, you are

494
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 5: not good enough. So I still think they win game three.

495
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 5: I could be wrong on that. I'm probably gonna bet

496
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 5: the money line. But as somebody that took that was

497
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 5: on this podcast saying the Mavericks were live, I took

498
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: them plus four, I took them plus two and a half,

499
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 5: and I took them at plus one and a half

500
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 5: at one book as well, I was like, I think

501
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,640
Speaker 5: they can get it to seven, and like I undersold it, Brandon,

502
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 5: I should have gone harder on it. I should have

503
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 5: just called the Mavericks to win the thing. I didn't

504
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 5: go far enough.

505
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 6: No half measures, no half measures. I mean, here, here's

506
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 6: the thing. I do think that the Clippers can win

507
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 6: shootouts with the Mavericks, just not win the Mavericks are

508
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 6: I mean, the numbers that this team is putting up

509
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 6: right now are absurd. The Clippers offense has been really,

510
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 6: really good. Kawhi had a monster game too. Like the

511
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,160
Speaker 6: Clippers are doing everything they need to on offense. Listen

512
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 6: to some of these numbers from Dallas, just just marvel

513
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,479
Speaker 6: in them. Here are the true shooting percentages for some

514
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 6: of the non Luka Doncic players for through two games.

515
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 6: Tim Hardaway Junior and Maxi Klaiber are both over eighty

516
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 6: percent true shooting, Richardson seventy six percent, Finney Smith's seventy percent,

517
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 6: Jalen Brentson it Poultry sixty seven percent through shooting. Maxi

518
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 6: Klaber has played seventy minutes in the series with an

519
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,720
Speaker 6: offensive rating in seventy minutes of one hundred eighty five

520
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 6: point one hundred possessions.

521
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: It's absurd.

522
00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 6: They're shooting fifty percent on three it's thirty five out

523
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 6: of seventy. Their team rating through two games is one

524
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 6: hundred and thirty one point six offensive rating. None of

525
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 6: that is sustainable. It can't possibly be sustainable. It has

526
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 6: to come back to earth. Here's the problem. Everyone's talking

527
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 6: about the shooting variance thing. It absolutely is shooting variants

528
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:32,199
Speaker 6: to a degree. But Dallas is making better shots for

529
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 6: themselves than the Clippers are, and the shooting variants can't

530
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 6: just disappear. Dallas is not just getting lucky. Dallas is

531
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 6: putting themselves into positions to get their shooters into better

532
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 6: spots than the Clippers, taking harder shots. So that's the problem.

533
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 6: The other problem is this, they're down oh two. That's

534
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 6: the problem, and the Clippers here, here's the thing, So

535
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 6: if if you look, if you say, okay, I I

536
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 6: still think the Clippers are slightly the better team overall.

537
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 6: If you if you bounce out the shooting luck, if

538
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 6: you played one hundred times, you play a neutral court,

539
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 6: et cetera. If you think that, and I think that,

540
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 6: I think that still I think that the Clippers maybe

541
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 6: still could possibly be the slightly better team. Here's the problem.

542
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 6: If you think, look, Clippers are a sixty percent favorite

543
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 6: in each game going forward, they still have to win

544
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 6: four to five sixty percent odds. The chance of doing

545
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 6: the four to five is only one third of the

546
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 6: chance to win the series thirty three percent, which is

547
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 6: basically the odds that they're at right now plus two hundred.

548
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,120
Speaker 6: So if you want to bet the Clippers to win

549
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 6: the series right now, you have to think that they

550
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 6: have a sixty percent chance of winning all five games,

551
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 6: including three times on the road. And if that drops

552
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 6: even a little bit, the odds plummet. If they're down

553
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 6: to fifty five percent likely now the Clippers are twenty

554
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 6: five percent to win the series. If they're down to

555
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 6: fifty two percent, a slightly weighted coin flip in the

556
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 6: Clippers favor now they're down to twenty percent. So I

557
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 6: think the Clippers are live. I think they can win

558
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 6: Game three. They gonna win any games. So, but they

559
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 6: have to win four to five and even ask these

560
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 6: lately better team perhaps even if they are that's a problem.

561
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 4: I have one more thing question. I got a question.

562
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 4: I got a question for you guys.

563
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 7: So, if you guys think the Clippers alive, what do

564
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 7: you think about taking them to win the Western Conference

565
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 7: or to take the take them to win the finals?

566
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: At this point?

567
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 7: I mean, I think they're They're plus six to fifty

568
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 7: to win the Western Conference, They're sixteen hundred to win

569
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,680
Speaker 7: the NBA Championship.

570
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 6: Is their value on that at that? At this point,

571
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 6: I think that's interesting. I'm more interested in Yeah, as

572
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 6: usual with me, I'm more interested in the longer odds,

573
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,879
Speaker 6: the better value. However, everything's being factored in, and that

574
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,760
Speaker 6: the serious price at two hundred is being factored into

575
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 6: the six fifty, and like the other number, like yeah, there,

576
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 6: it's not enough. The value is not there. I think

577
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 6: I think that they're Look, we had a lot of

578
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 6: fun the other night. We had a Clipper funeral. It's

579
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 6: not over. They can do this still, they and you know,

580
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 6: if they go down, oh three, we'll have the funeral again.

581
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 6: It's gonna be great where here. We'll get you back

582
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 6: on here and roast you again. But I think that

583
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 6: the Clippers are still live for anything.

584
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:23,719
Speaker 5: I'll say this, If they win two games, they win

585
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 5: the Western Conference. That's I'll tell you. If they win

586
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 5: two games versus the Mavericks they win the Western Conference,

587
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 5: I will bet the way. I will bet the Clippers

588
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 5: to win the Western Conference if they win two games,

589
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 5: whether it's four and five or whether it's for three

590
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 5: and four, three and six or three and five or

591
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 5: four and five, they win two games.

592
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 6: So if you think that, then you should be betting

593
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 6: that now, because you should either be betting like you

594
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 6: you could find a way to hedge that the other

595
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 6: way and either do like an under five and a

596
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 6: half or MAVs and five.

597
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

598
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: This isn't gonna be a sweep, is it.

599
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 5: I'm not ruling it out.

600
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, that would just be ugly.

601
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 5: Yeah. So one last thing on this and then we

602
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 5: gotta move on. You mentioned like, well Kawai was great,

603
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 5: I got I just want to set this real straight.

604
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 5: Qaui at thirty two and a half, Okay, great, phenomenal.

605
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 5: Good good for him. So if I told you the

606
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 5: Kui thirty two and at half in the playoff game, how

607
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 5: many would you think that he ended up with?

608
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 4: Frame fifty?

609
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 5: How much of what you think we ended up with Brandon?

610
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean hopefully at least like forty five.

611
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 5: I would think that he had at least fifty. He's

612
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 5: gonna play all these minutes. It's his team, yeah, and

613
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 5: it But forty two ten points second half, here's a

614
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 5: golf plat for you. Good job putting up those numbers

615
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 5: in the first half. Oh good job. More whole points

616
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter when they needed you, Oh good job. Kawhi.

617
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 6: Are you coming up with the same argument for Damian

618
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 6: Lillard though, like, like you don't score thirty two and

619
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 6: both halves like it?

620
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: Even about twelve?

621
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: No, no, But here's the here's the thing. Though they

622
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: need him in these fourth quarters. They need him in

623
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 5: these fourth quarters. They need him like he has got

624
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 5: to do more. I'm sorry, guess what. This is why

625
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,719
Speaker 5: you get to take the helicopter from San Diego. This

626
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 5: is why you get to determine whether you practice or not.

627
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 5: This is why you get to determine whether you play

628
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 5: or not because they are counting on you in these games.

629
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 5: And if you want to say, like you're really expecting

630
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,479
Speaker 5: him to do more than forty two, yes, like I'm sorry,

631
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 5: heavy is the crown. And if you're saying I can't

632
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 5: because of X, Y or Z, get the ball and create.

633
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: You've been a much better passer. Lock down, Luca, Like

634
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 5: everyone talks about you with their defense. I know that

635
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 5: there's screens involved. Get over the screens like you're you're

636
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 5: Kawhi Leonard. Yeah, do the thing.

637
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 6: The problem. The problem is not that Kawhi didn't score enough.

638
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 6: If Kawhi had not put up thirty in the first half, it's.

639
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 5: I understand that, Brandon, I understand, but my thing is,

640
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 5: but Brandon, my thing is, it's still that's not enough.

641
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 5: And if it's not enough, then that's partly on the

642
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 5: decisions that they made in personnel based off of your recommendations.

643
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 5: Like there's no way you get if you understand how

644
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 5: the Clippers operate. There's no way you get out of

645
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 5: this thinking that Kawhi Leonard's off the hook because he

646
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 5: scored thirty two and a half.

647
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 6: Good job, sure, because we make all the same arguments

648
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 6: and accusations at Lebron, because we know how Lebron has

649
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Speaker 6: a huge hand in building the roster and shaping what

650
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Speaker 6: it does.

651
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Speaker 3: So you're right, we have to do the same thing

652
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Speaker 3: for Kahi.

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Speaker 1: The Denver Nuggets at the Portland Trail Blazers.

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Speaker 5: All right, let's go to Nuggets Blazers.

655
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Speaker 4: Ten.

656
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Speaker 5: Series gonna be a tough series. It's gonna be an

657
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 5: ugly series. I thought there was gonna be a fight

658
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: in Game two. Like I was pretty sure that if

659
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 5: the officials had knock gone bonkers in the third quarter

660
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 5: to slow it down and make everyone just hate them instead,

661
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 5: Like I honestly applaud the officials for that disgusting amount

662
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 5: of calls, because if they had not done that, there

663
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 5: was going to be a fight. Like there was. Is

664
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Speaker 5: bad between these two teams right now. Motus Center's gonna

665
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: have fans. I love the Blazers in Game three. I

666
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: like the Nuggets in Game four. I like the Nuggets

667
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 5: in Game five. I like the Blazers to win the series.

668
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,400
Speaker 5: I feel like I have a very good handle on

669
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 5: the series. I will be very surprised if the Nuggets

670
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 5: won Game three. I would be very surprised if they

671
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 5: lose Game four. The matchups and all this stuff are

672
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 5: leaning a little bit towards This is how we are

673
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 5: right now in the series. The matchups go towards Denver.

674
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 5: The firepower, the raw offense, the raw skill level goes

675
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 5: towards the Blazers. Denver has more things that they can

676
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: do to counter Portland. Portland has more talent. Because of

677
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 5: the injuries to Denver Will Barton, I will tell you

678
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 5: I expect him to play Game four. I can be

679
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 5: wrong on that, but based off of what I've heard,

680
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 5: I expect him to play Game four. I think the

681
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 5: Nuggets get waxed in Game three. I am on the

682
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 5: Blazers minus four and on the money line in apartlay,

683
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: but I think that in Game four, Denver responds and

684
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: gets to win, much like they did two years ago.

685
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: This is going to be I feel pretty confident. This

686
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 5: is going to be too too. Going back to Denver, Brennan.

687
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 6: That's interesting that you are feeling very confident in the series,

688
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 6: because I think, to me, this this is the series

689
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 6: I think I feel the least confidence in right now.

690
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 6: I picked Blazers and six before the series. That still

691
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 6: would be my pick for the outcome. But I just

692
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 6: I feel things getting tight here. I feel the games

693
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 6: getting tight, Like it's just it's just who's gonna make

694
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 6: the shots? Who showed up that night? Did CJ hit

695
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 6: the shots? Did Michael Porter hit the shots? Which bench

696
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 6: team showed up? You know? Game one we saw Simon's

697
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 6: and mellow each drop four threes? Like it It's gonna

698
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 6: come down to so many little things. Dame and Jokic

699
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 6: are both playing so well, like they can't play any better.

700
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 6: They're they're awesome, They're doing everything that we need them to.

701
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 6: Who else is gonna show? And who else is gonna

702
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 6: show is gonna depend on who's playing at home, where

703
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 6: the role players play a lot better. It's gonna depend

704
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 6: on who hit the shots, because boy are their shots

705
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 6: on both of these these teams are giving you shots.

706
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 6: And I do think I want to watch use of

707
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 6: Nurkic's minutes. He has played only fifty eight minutes versus

708
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 6: eighty two for Lillard. It's never gonna be the same

709
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,919
Speaker 6: because Nurkic. But Nurkic is really good and a lot

710
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 6: better than Ennis Kantor, and if they can get him

711
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 6: a few more minutes a little less foul trouble. I

712
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 6: think that could be a slight swing and I think

713
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 6: too definitely there's bad blood. Like somebody's getting kicked out

714
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 6: of game three, so somebody is gonna like throw a

715
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 6: clothesline or a hip check or something. Yeah, Like somebody's

716
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 6: name is Austin Rivers. Probably he's gonna he's gonna like

717
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 6: he's onna be the first one though. He's gonna come

718
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 6: running in and look like a tough guy and make

719
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 6: sure that he like gets himself thrown in there too.

720
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 6: But yeah, I I'm very curious. Like we saw the

721
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 6: Aaron Gordon matchup in in game two and it worked really.

722
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 3: Well for half. But as you say, Matt, you gotta

723
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 3: keep switching off the coverages.

724
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 6: And I think that the Portland's gonna have an answer

725
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 6: for that now. And maybe the answer is playing Lillard

726
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 6: off ball a little bit. They've talked about that. And

727
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 6: part of why I like the Blazers in the series

728
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 6: and as a playoff sleeper is because now they have

729
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 6: CJ and Norm two guys that can actually like dribble

730
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 6: and create and do some things. And if you try

731
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 6: to trap Lillard, I don't know that Denver is going

732
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 6: to be a great trapping team, but they can go

733
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 6: four on three, get Norm, get CJ. Like, I don't

734
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 6: mind that getting one of those guys downhill creating something there.

735
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 3: So I still like the Blazers. I do though.

736
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 6: A piece going up on Action Network today is like

737
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 6: a roundtable on just checking in on these series overall,

738
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Speaker 6: and one of the questions was which series underdog is

739
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 6: live or which would you still bet? And I would

740
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 6: not really bet the series underdogs right now, much to

741
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 6: everyone's surprise, because apparently I only take favorites somehow in

742
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 6: the playoffs after taking never favorites the whole rest of

743
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 6: the year. The one that I did though, is I

744
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 6: think if the Nuggets do win the series, and I

745
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 6: think that they're live, I think that Nuggets would win

746
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,240
Speaker 6: in seven, with the Game seven advantage, with the home court,

747
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 6: with their three to one comebacks, and knowing that they've

748
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 6: got there before. I don't love picking the Nuggets to

749
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 6: win the series at their current price. Nuggets in seven

750
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 6: at bet MGM is plus three seventy five. That one

751
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 6: is where Denver goes up three to two by winning

752
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 6: that Game five, Portland goes home to win Game six.

753
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 6: We go to Game seven where home teams dominate three

754
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 6: seventy five is interesting to me. I already have Blazers

755
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 6: at plus four to ten to win in six, and

756
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 6: that gives me a couple of pretty good outs there.

757
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking about that one.

758
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 5: So a couple of things. One, the Nuggets are the

759
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 5: second best team of trapping in the NBA. They are

760
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 5: absolutely awesome at it. For moving Dame off ball is

761
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 5: that puts CJ and Norm in those coverages, and that's

762
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 5: bad for them. They don't pass well out like nobody

763
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 5: on this team does well out of traps. This is

764
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 5: they're all small, They are all little people, and so

765
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 5: they can be able to counter that. The Nuggets off

766
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 5: ball are gonna switch everything. So what Dame's gonna do

767
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 5: is Dame, They're gonna run sets where Dame off ball.

768
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: If it's Norman, If MPJ is guarding Norman Powell or

769
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 5: Robert Covington, they'll use an off ball screen and try

770
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 5: and switch that that works. If your primary defender is

771
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 5: not a good communicator, Aaron Gordon is Gordon will call

772
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 5: out to MPJ and be like, no switch, no switch,

773
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 5: and he will go ahead and stick with him and

774
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 5: they'll just bust through that screen. Because Gordon's huge, there

775
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 5: will probably be counters. Like there are counters. One of

776
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,919
Speaker 5: the easiest ways to counter Dame on ball for Dame

777
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 5: on ball with Gordon guarding him is to just draw

778
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 5: and attack, and that gets Gordon into foul trouble and

779
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 5: you bring help over. That becomes a problem if if

780
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 5: Gordon doesn't foul and you bring help over, Dame has

781
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:11,800
Speaker 5: to make a full speed whip pass over his shoulder.

782
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 5: He is not good at that. Dame's a good passer

783
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: when he is in pick and roll, can come off

784
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 5: the pick, read the floor, make a decision, and then deliver.

785
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 5: He's good at that. The Westbrook passes, that's not his bag.

786
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 5: He doesn't operate at full speed that well because it

787
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 5: takes him more to get the full speed. So there's

788
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 5: all these tactical stuff that you can kind of factor

789
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 5: in there. You mentioned Nurkic Nirgus can't say out of

790
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 5: foul trouble for the series. I do think he's gonna

791
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 5: have a massive Game three. If you're looking at props,

792
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 5: I like Nurkic's points, rebounds, and assist In Game three,

793
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 5: He's gonna have a pretty big game, I think. So

794
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 5: that's where I'm at. Rahim, What do you think about

795
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 5: this series.

796
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 7: I'm a little concerned for Portland, honestly. I mean when

797
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 7: I look at this Nuggets team, I mean, they're shooting

798
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 7: like eighty percent at the rim, and to me, it

799
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 7: just feels like we talk a.

800
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: Lot about the Blazers.

801
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 7: You know, their advantage at the guards, but I mean Portland's.

802
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 7: I mean, Denver's advantage in the front court is just

803
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 7: so much it might be greater than their advantage at guard.

804
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 7: And I think we're basically comparing a team who's getting

805
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 7: shots at the rim versus the team who's depended on

806
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 7: three point shooting. And if this is a long series,

807
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 7: I trust the team getting shots to the room. So

808
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 7: for me, if tis from a value standpoint, I think

809
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 7: Denver can pull it off. I think they're really live

810
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 7: and I think especially if Barton comes back, it gives

811
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 7: them another guard.

812
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: Maybe this is just payback.

813
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 7: For you know, the last series in which the Blazers

814
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 7: one and seven. I just I think Jokis is the

815
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 7: best player on the floor. I think when you're depended

816
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 7: on three small guards and a long series, that's concerning

817
00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 7: for me. So I'm gonna be looking to take Denver

818
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 7: in some point. I'm just gonna watch tonight, I mean

819
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 7: watching game four, but I mean, if this game goes,

820
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 7: if this series goes to distance, I'm gonna be playing Denver.

821
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, just straight up. The biggest takeaway

822
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 5: from me in this series is that even at Portland advances,

823
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 5: this team is not serious.

824
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: Welcome to the terry Stads experience.

825
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Speaker 5: Like they're struggling so much of the team that's missing

826
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 5: three of their top five guards. They're down to Faca Compazo,

827
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 5: Monte Morris, Austin Rivers and they had to play Marcus

828
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 5: Howard and then Shack Harrison, like and they still are

829
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 5: struggling with them and their defense is just a joke.

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00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 7: It's just and not only they struggling, I mean they're

831
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 7: shooting forty eight percent from three, yeah, in both games,

832
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 7: and like they're still in dog fights, like the Nuggets

833
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 7: were up double digits in game one.

834
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

835
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Speaker 7: So it's just I just I can't trust this Denver

836
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 7: on this Portland defense, and you got these three small guards.

837
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Speaker 4: I just I think Denver is really live.

838
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Speaker 5: We want Portland to get passed and then we assume

839
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 5: the Lakers and then we bet Lakers in five, right,

840
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 5: they lose the first one like last year, and then they.

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00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 6: Went yeah yeah, as we as our podcast, Blazers defender

842
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 6: apparently the only one that they have. I stupidly tried

843
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,319
Speaker 6: to talk myself into Blazers plus seven hundred to lose

844
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 6: in the Western Conference Finals.

845
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that I've given up on that.

846
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 6: It's not happening that Lebron getting to face this defense.

847
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 6: Can you Like you could put a blindfold on him

848
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 6: and he would still like pick apart the defense with

849
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 6: passes all over the place, like even whatever percentage of

850
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 6: Lebron that we have here.

851
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean this the path.

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00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 6: The path has cleared if the Chris Paul injury is

853
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 6: a real and whichever version of either of these teams

854
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 6: were getting like it is a good looking path for

855
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 6: the Lakers.

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Speaker 5: All right, we'll speed through these last couple of series.

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Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Bucks at the Miami Heat.

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00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 5: I don't think the heater are dead yet. I'll say

889
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 5: that I have the heat. Raheema and I are on

890
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 5: opposite side. No surprise, because once the Bucks went up

891
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 5: to two oh, I knew that the Raheem was going

892
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 5: to be like Conform was going to be just swimming

893
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 5: in confirmation bias from his heat. Hey all year, I

894
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 5: like the heat. In Game three, I think I think

895
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 5: the Bucks are gonna win the series. So look, this

896
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 5: is a betting podcast, right, and like you have to

897
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 5: factor in probabilities and stuff like that. And while I

898
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 5: do think there's value on it, I'm not advising this

899
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 5: as like a bet. I will tell you right now,

900
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 5: here's a hot take. I think the Milwaukee Bucks are

901
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 5: winning the NBA title. I think they're winning the NBA title.

902
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at that.

903
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 5: This is like their response in game two was impressive,

904
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 5: like to come out of that overtime game, and like

905
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 5: I said, I said that I like the Bucks in

906
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 5: game two. I bet the Bucks in game two, but

907
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 5: to do it in such a dominant fashion, to absolutely

908
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 5: just wipe that team off the map. And now the

909
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 5: problem I have is like I think he honestly, like

910
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 5: sometimes you can do too much right, like the he

911
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 5: got so embarrassed that they have to be like, we

912
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 5: can play better than that, Like that's not us, right,

913
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 5: you want them doubting themselves. The teams doubt themselves in

914
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 5: tough games, not blowouts. Nobody thinks that the blowout version

915
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 5: of themselves is who they are. Now. If the Bucks

916
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 5: go in there and smack them in game three, then yeah,

917
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna be flabbergasted. But uh, I like the

918
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,399
Speaker 5: Heat in game three. I like the Bucks in game four.

919
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 5: I like the Bucks in game five. I think this

920
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 5: one's gonna be done in five. But I do think

921
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 5: that bam Adebayo can shoot better from mid range, which

922
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 5: will get his confidence back. I think Butler's probably gonna

923
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 5: have a game like he always has a game he

924
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 5: likes to change the narrative whenever it starts to set.

925
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 5: The heat don't have the shooting they did last year,

926
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 5: and that's been a big difference. Like going from Jay

927
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 5: Crowder to Trevor Ariza has been an absolutely massive difference

928
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: in this series, and going from Eric Bloodsoe to Drew

929
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 5: Holliday has been equally the same. Like that's been the

930
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 5: difference in the series. Putting Yannis on Jimmy has been

931
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 5: a great adjustment. The question here I do have for

932
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 5: you guys, though, is if Spoe makes adjustments in game three,

933
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 5: do you trust Bud to make counter adjustments. He's already

934
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 5: made adjustments by putting Jannie on him on Jimmy and

935
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 5: playing playing Jannie more minutes they're switching, But can he

936
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 5: make counter adjustments? Is my question?

937
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 6: Brandon, Do I trust Bud fill in the blank? No,

938
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 6: I do not trust Bud. I do trust that the

939
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 6: bucks are better enough than the heat, that the talent

940
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 6: gap and the difference, Like, I don't know what the

941
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 6: adjustments are. That's why Spolstra is getting paid the big

942
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:17,200
Speaker 6: bucks and I'm sitting here recording a podcast instead. He's

943
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 6: going to come up with something, But I don't fear

944
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 6: the something to like completely turn the series, and I

945
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 6: don't fear enough the definite coaching mismatch that that Bud's

946
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 6: not going to have a response like Dwayne Deadman led

947
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: the Heat and scoring.

948
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 3: In Game two.

949
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jimmy Butler has twenty seven, twelve and twelve for

950
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 6: the series on a thirty five percent true shooting, Like

951
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 6: it's gonna get better. But my takeaway from Game two

952
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 6: is this. The Bucks made a ton of threes. Obviously,

953
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 6: they're plus forty two on threes in this game, and

954
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 6: you saw what happened.

955
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: It was a blowout. The Heat were plus forty five

956
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: in Game one and lost.

957
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 6: That's why we were so afraid about the Heat. That's

958
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 6: why we're so sure that this was big trouble. Plus

959
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 6: forty two that's what's supposed to happen game two, where

960
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 6: it's like you you go and do the dishes in

961
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 6: the second half because the game is over. And the

962
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 6: fact that the Heat got that in Game one better

963
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 6: than that and still lost, Yeah, I think they maybe

964
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 6: can take a game or two. They're a very prideful team.

965
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 6: They're gonna show up, but the series is.

966
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 5: Over, right, do you to victory lab now or do

967
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 5: you want to wait until after the Bucks went.

968
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 4: I'm taking I'm taking a victory lap now.

969
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 5: I'm stupid.

970
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 4: You're smart, I was wrong, you were right.

971
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 5: You're the best, I'm the worst.

972
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: You're very good looking.

973
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 7: I'm not attractive, all right, as long as you're willing

974
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 7: to admit that. I think Game one was really really impressive.

975
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 7: I mean the Bucks were five of thirty one from three,

976
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 7: the Heat were twenty of fifty from three. Like, if

977
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 7: you can't win a game under those circumstances, I think

978
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 7: it says it all. And I think that was the

979
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 7: most impressive performance I've seen from the Bucks in the

980
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 7: last three years. Like, I mean, they showed that they

981
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 7: can win a game ugly, so you know them coming

982
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 7: back and winning the game too. It was a great performance.

983
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 7: But I think Game one it really said that this

984
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 7: team is mentally tough. You know, they could take your

985
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 7: best shot and they could win when their offenses isn't there.

986
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,919
Speaker 4: So I think this series is over.

987
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 7: I just think the discrepancy between these two teams is

988
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 7: just too wide. You know, they don't have j Crowder

989
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 7: this year. Trevor Ariza is not the guy everybody's regress.

990
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 7: And I mean this three headed monster with Giannis, Drew

991
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 7: Holliday and PJ. Tucker, Guard and Jimmy Butler, they had

992
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 7: him in jail right now. I mean he might as

993
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 7: well just be sitting at home listening to Acon locked up,

994
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 7: because I mean he's struggling. I mean, and him and

995
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 7: bam Adebayo. I mean they're seventeen to fifty eight from

996
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 7: from the field this series. So I think the Bucks

997
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 7: when the night actually I think they sweep them. I'm

998
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 7: gonna be honest with you, just because I think they

999
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 7: felt so much pain from the last couple of years,

1000
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 7: and I think some of that matters. I mean, we've

1001
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,959
Speaker 7: seen Jordan's have to go through the Pistons, We've seen

1002
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 7: the Raptors struggle with Lebron, and I think when you

1003
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 7: get there and you know it's your time, it's your time.

1004
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 4: And I think it's the Bucks time right now.

1005
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 6: My only hesitation here, my question to you, Matt is this,

1006
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 6: and this is gonna be hypothetical. I don't want to

1007
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 6: put you on the spot to have to answer to it,

1008
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 6: but your fear is well placed, of Okay, I look

1009
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 6: on the sidelines and there's Eric Spolstra and he's gonna

1010
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 6: do some stuff, and I have to put my trust

1011
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 6: in the team to respond to that. I think we're

1012
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 6: agreeing that in this series there's not enough there to

1013
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 6: swing things.

1014
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 3: But we have to see that happen.

1015
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 6: Three more series against three more talented teams for the

1016
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 6: Bucks to win the championship. And I wonder if the

1017
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 6: Bucks are the champions And we like Bud is an awesome,

1018
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 6: great regular season coach, We agree on that, but he's

1019
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 6: got to do a lot. He's he's got to make

1020
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 6: it Jost wins. He's got to make plans for them

1021
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 6: to win the championship. And who if you're looking at

1022
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 6: a coach that you believe in and are confident, and

1023
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 6: who is the last one before Bud winning this year

1024
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 6: that you would have less confidence in?

1025
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: And I have to go back a while before I

1026
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 3: find that answer.

1027
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 5: Steve, Yeah, but what's the first year head coach right

1028
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 5: in a consultant role, but winning coach? Think of the path,

1029
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 5: Think of the path that he's gonna.

1030
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:38,800
Speaker 7: I think you're not looking at the path that they have,

1031
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 7: the teams that they actually have to play.

1032
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 5: I think you're I'm not worried about. I'm not worried

1033
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,040
Speaker 5: about Doc out coaching him. I'm not worried about Uh,

1034
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 5: I'm not worried about Nash out coaching him. I'm not

1035
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 5: worried about Vogel. Like Vogel, I think is a better

1036
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 5: coach than Bud, but I'm not necessarily worried about it

1037
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 5: because Vogel has his hands tied by a lot of things.

1038
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 5: Let's say the Mavericks make the finals, okay, because I

1039
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 5: may have put a flyer down them to win the West. Uh,

1040
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 5: that's a mismatch with Rick Carlisle for sure, Like that's

1041
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,879
Speaker 5: the nightmare. But this is not a here. Here's think

1042
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 5: of who the Bucks have lost to the last two years. Brandon,

1043
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 5: Eric Spolstra and Nick Nurse, two of the top five

1044
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 5: best coaches in the NBA. They do not face another

1045
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 5: top five coach in the NBA the rest of the

1046
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 5: way unless the Mavericks make the finals or the Nuggets

1047
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 5: make the finals. And I don't think either of those

1048
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 5: teams are making the finals.

1049
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 3: There's a hot take.

1050
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 6: So Michael Malone, Michael not Mike. Top five NBA coaches.

1051
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: I think so they've improved. They've improved every single year

1052
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 5: and he hasn't been out coaching the playoff series yet.

1053
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 5: H what's the argument as them?

1054
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 4: I mean he had to.

1055
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:54,799
Speaker 7: He had the Sacramento Kings playing the best basketball I've

1056
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 7: seen in the Bookie era before they like stupidly fired.

1057
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, look, the list from me is like

1058
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 5: Nurse Spoe, Carlisle, Kerr.

1059
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 4: It's gotta be vocal.

1060
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,399
Speaker 5: I like Frank. I like Frank. I like Frank a lot.

1061
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 5: I think he's done an amazing job with this. I'd

1062
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 5: have him top ten, I'd have him top eight, I'd

1063
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 5: have him maybe top six. But I don't know that

1064
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 5: you can say Frank Vogel is better than Michael Malone.

1065
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 5: Michael Malone literally like developed Jokic developed Murray developed MPJ

1066
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 5: developed Morris, no major major free agent acquisitions, built a

1067
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,439
Speaker 5: team around Nikola Jokic. Has built a decent defensive team

1068
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 5: around Nikola Jokic. M one two series down three to one,

1069
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 5: has won three game sevens upset. The Clippers team has

1070
00:52:48,360 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 5: improved in record every single season. What's the argument.

1071
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 7: I mean, Vogel developed Paul George. He took those Miami

1072
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 7: Heat pick three to seven games. He had playing the

1073
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,800
Speaker 7: best defense he's played in like ten years.

1074
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a great coach, like Dome, You're wrong. I

1075
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 5: think Vogel is a great coach, and I think Vogel

1076
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 5: might have the edge on On like I think Vocals

1077
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 5: got the edge on Bud. But like, all I'm saying is,

1078
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 5: let's get back to the original point. There's not a

1079
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 5: path here. That's that's like a murderer's row of coaches,

1080
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 5: Like this is it, you know, like this is it,

1081
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 5: So we'll see what happens. I want to go through

1082
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 5: these last three real, real quickly.

1083
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: The Brooklyn Nets at the Boston Celtics, the Philadelphia seventy

1084
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: six ers at the Washington Wizards, the Memphis Grizzlies at

1085
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: the Utah Jazz.

1086
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 5: Rahim, do you have any like big do you have

1087
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 5: any hot takes, big takeaways, anything where you think there's

1088
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 5: real value on any of those series.

1089
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:48,120
Speaker 7: I think there's gonna be value on playing the Grizzlies

1090
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 7: game the game, like they showed me something last night.

1091
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 7: Yeah right, I mean they got into foul trouble early

1092
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 7: with violentiunists and Dylan Brooks. They can hang with this

1093
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 7: Jazz team and Donovan Mitchell, you know, he he looked

1094
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 7: great for parts of the game, but I mean there

1095
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 7: were times where he had to come out. I think

1096
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 7: they're live, and I think they're gonna this. This series

1097
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,839
Speaker 7: is going six They're gonna they're gonna win another game.

1098
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 5: Brandon, You go while I look up some numbers for

1099
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 5: ra Ham's take.

1100
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't really have much of a take on

1101
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 6: the Nets and Sixers series. I don't even really need

1102
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 6: to watch the rest of those series to me that

1103
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 6: what's interesting. Domo and Mitchell looks good. He looks healthy.

1104
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 6: Thank God for that extra day of rest they got him,

1105
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 6: because man, he he got a good night of sleep.

1106
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 6: He ate his weedies for breakfast, and that extra day

1107
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 6: of rest has set them up for the playoffs.

1108
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,800
Speaker 3: The Grizzlies are playing so well right now.

1109
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 6: Moranton Brooks had seventy and fifty seven in their two games.

1110
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 6: Memphis had thirty eight free throws. Yesterday, the Grizzlies shot

1111
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 6: sixty one percent on two points two pointers against the

1112
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 6: Jazz against Gobert, like the floater thing is real. It's

1113
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 6: definitely working for them. The problem is Memphis can't play

1114
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 6: any bat and the Jazz still like one relatively comfortably. Yesterday,

1115
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 6: every time the Grizzlies kept pushing back, the Jazz kept

1116
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 6: pulling away. I think the Jazz are really good. We've

1117
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 6: seen this all year. The Jazz are really good. And

1118
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 6: my take on this series, and on any of these series,

1119
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 6: is this, we look at the last and we agree.

1120
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,920
Speaker 6: The Blazers aren't good. They don't have defense. The Nuggets

1121
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 6: can't do it, they don't have Jamal Murray. The Suns

1122
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 6: are hurt, Lebron and the Lakers aren't what they're supposed

1123
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 6: to be. The Clippers are down oh two. The Mavericks

1124
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 6: are a one man team with a zillion shooters. Is

1125
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 6: it possible, even as flawed as we think that the

1126
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 6: Jazz may be, that the Jazz are just going to

1127
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 6: be the best team by default in the Western Conference

1128
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 6: to come out. And I looked at their odds and

1129
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 6: here's the problem. The odds have gone down because the

1130
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,760
Speaker 6: Clippers are losing, and the Clippers were the big problem

1131
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:56,800
Speaker 6: that they're gonna have to face.

1132
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 3: So I think the move is this.

1133
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,320
Speaker 6: I think Jazz to get to the finals or possibly

1134
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 6: win it. I think that they'll lose to whichever Eastern

1135
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 6: team that they would face. I think making the finals

1136
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 6: is interesting bet, but not yet, because we all agree

1137
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,400
Speaker 6: the Clippers are not done yet. So let the Clippers

1138
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 6: win a game or two and pull those odds back

1139
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 6: a little bit and make the Jazz look a little better.

1140
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 3: The Jazz odds aren't going to change.

1141
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 6: When they go up two to one or three to one,

1142
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,240
Speaker 6: everyone thinks the Jazz are winning the series.

1143
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 3: That's not the problem.

1144
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 6: Let the Clippers draw back in a little bit and

1145
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,920
Speaker 6: then those Jazz odds are going to go up, and

1146
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 6: I think Utah can make the finals.

1147
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 5: Nets Jazz is plus five point fifty at bet MGM

1148
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 5: for the finals matchup.

1149
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 6: It's not bad that it's not as good as the

1150
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 6: plus twelve hundred it took before the playoffs was.

1151
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 4: Bucks Jazz, I mean you Bucks win the championship.

1152
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 5: Bucks Jazz is plus twelve hundred twelve to one for

1153
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 5: the series. Rahim, I think there's there's some value there.

1154
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 5: You've got if you like the Grizzlies to win at

1155
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 5: least two yet plus two and a half at minus

1156
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 5: two twenty five, it's a little steep over five and

1157
00:57:10,680 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 5: a half games, though in the series is only minus

1158
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 5: two hundred.

1159
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 3: That's not bad, that's strange.

1160
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 5: Jazz four to two is plus two thirty uh, Jazz

1161
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 5: four to three is plus three twenty five, Jazz four

1162
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,479
Speaker 5: two at plus two to thirty, and Grizzlies and seven

1163
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 5: at plus twelve hundred piques my interest a little bit here,

1164
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 5: Like I think, I think that I'm with you guys

1165
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 5: that the that the Grizzlies are live, I will I

1166
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: think that Quinn Snyder has had a rough go of

1167
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:44,280
Speaker 5: it in terms of who he's faced in the playoffs,

1168
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 5: Like they faced the Warriors a lot, and then last

1169
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 5: year they were up three to one, UH and the

1170
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 5: Nuggets just stormed back and he got out the coach

1171
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 5: in that series. I'll say that. But I think Quinn

1172
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 5: Snyder's still a really great coach, and I think he

1173
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 5: can be better in playoffsies than some. So I wonder

1174
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 5: if you can find more more adjustments as the series

1175
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 5: goes on than Taylor Jenkins can because the rosters are

1176
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 5: so different and they are more experienced and better and

1177
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 5: hit all the threes and all those things. I like

1178
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 5: Memphis in Game three quite a bit, much like I've said,

1179
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 5: like this is the same pattern, right, It's like I

1180
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 5: like Memphis in Game three, I like Utah in game four.

1181
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,480
Speaker 5: The thing is, I don't trust Utah. In game five,

1182
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:26,919
Speaker 5: I don't know who wins that last night was pretty

1183
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 5: predictable that Utah would win. I took Grizzlies on the

1184
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 5: spread because I was like, I thought that was a

1185
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 5: lot and when you watch that game, you're like nine

1186
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 5: was a lot of points, Like they were kind of

1187
00:58:34,760 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 5: lucky to cover that spread. They felt like that game

1188
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 5: where the Grizzlies covered. But I am probably gonna say

1189
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 5: that if you're going to go in on the Grizzlies

1190
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 5: in this series, you might as well take the money line. Like,

1191
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 5: I don't know if you should take the spread because

1192
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,479
Speaker 5: either they're losing by fifteen or they're winning out right.

1193
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 3: Well.

1194
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 6: That's the thing though to me, is so we're going

1195
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 6: to Memphis for two games, and I think I don't

1196
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 6: know what order, but I think one of the those games,

1197
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 6: the Jazz are just gonna win. They're gonna win relatively comfortably,

1198
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 6: kind of like they did yesterday. Yeah, so one more

1199
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 6: relatively easy win, and then there's gonna be a coin

1200
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 6: flip game that comes down to the wayer and it's

1201
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 6: gonna be like the Grizzlies. I don't think we think

1202
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 6: the Grizzlies are gonna just like beat the Jazz comfortably

1203
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 6: in any of the games in this series. So we're

1204
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 6: gonna go to Memphis for two games. The Jazz are

1205
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 6: gonna win one comfortably two to one in the series,

1206
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 6: and then the other one's a coin flip, and if

1207
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 6: the Jazz win that coin flip, now it's three to one,

1208
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 6: back to Utah, and I think that's Curtains. That's probably

1209
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 6: Memphis is gonna show up still. But to me, if

1210
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 6: I had to pick a pick a series or pick

1211
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,200
Speaker 6: an outcome, Jazz and five is the outcome because I

1212
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 6: really only need to win that one coin flip game

1213
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 6: in Memphis and then it's three to one and it's

1214
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 6: lights out.

1215
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 3: On the series.

1216
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: You can get under five and a half at plus

1217
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 5: one sixty five.

1218
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 3: What about Utah and five?

1219
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 5: Uh, Utah and five is plus one seventy, so you

1220
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 5: get five extra points on that.

1221
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 3: Great.

1222
00:59:58,120 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 6: Well, I'm happy to happy to give up my I'm

1223
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 6: fisting five five points on that one.

1224
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 5: Okay, all right. My only thing on this is I

1225
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 5: don't I'm staying away from Sixers Wizards the rest of

1226
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 5: the way. I think the Wizards. I took the Wizards

1227
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 5: to cover that game, and I'm I miscalculated it. Like

1228
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 5: I what I did in factor was the first game

1229
01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 5: was the game where the Wizards should have won and

1230
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,120
Speaker 5: they didn't, and so the second game is the one

1231
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 5: where the Sixers destroy them. I don't mind Wizards in

1232
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 5: game three. I think it's possible they can put Like

1233
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 5: these two teams are not light years apart. They're just

1234
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 5: not like this. This is not the same as Net Celtics.

1235
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: The Sixers and Wizards are playing actual basketball games like

1236
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,600
Speaker 5: it's it's the Sixers are definitively better and are probably

1237
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 5: going to sweep. I don't know that there's like I

1238
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 5: don't feel awesome taking the Sixers every single game. I

1239
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 5: just don't think that they're that much better, especially with

1240
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 5: how Tobias Harris is played in the first two games,

1241
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,439
Speaker 5: and I think Tobias Harris rules. But I just don't

1242
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,920
Speaker 5: know that there's a lot of value there Nets Celtics.

1243
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 5: I just I think the only thing you can do

1244
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 5: is take a sleep. I think that's the only thing

1245
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 5: you can do is bet the sleep. That's the only

1246
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:06,640
Speaker 5: thing I.

1247
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:07,400
Speaker 4: Can I can do.

1248
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 6: I don't really want to bet the games or the

1249
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,600
Speaker 6: series in those because I think that all four teams

1250
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 6: involved nowhere this is headed and maybe the underdog team

1251
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 6: tries to win a game, or maybe they won two three,

1252
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 6: can kun and just wrap this up?

1253
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

1254
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 4: Bet.

1255
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 6: I don't want to bet props because any any of

1256
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,680
Speaker 6: the games could easily turn into a blowout and suddenly

1257
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 6: your minutes get screwed up and then my props get

1258
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 6: screwed up. So if I am playing a prop, I'm

1259
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 6: taking an under from just that basis of possibly going under.

1260
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 6: To me, the only takeaway that I would have from

1261
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 6: the series is I don't think this is good for

1262
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 6: the Nets. Like I guess it's good to just get

1263
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 6: a series over with. It's always good to move on

1264
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 6: to the next series, but like this is doing very

1265
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 6: little to prepare them for the real opponent that Like

1266
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 6: I agree with you, you, Matt, Like I think Milwaukee

1267
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 6: is very good. I think Nets Bucks is the NBA

1268
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 6: Finals and it's starting about a week from now, and

1269
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 6: our Nets, our next trio, is going to come into

1270
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 6: that game having played twelve times together, like half of

1271
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 6: which aren't really real basketball games. Like this is doing

1272
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,520
Speaker 6: nothing to I said before the series, this was the

1273
01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 6: way I had the most wrong. I had a series

1274
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,080
Speaker 6: going over five and a half, possibly to seven. I

1275
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,080
Speaker 6: thought Boston could win a few games and this would

1276
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 6: be like the series that would would prove their their medal,

1277
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 6: you know, and would make Brooklyn show up and Boston

1278
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 6: I'm not ready for the fight like that.

1279
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 3: This is not pushing them at all.

1280
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,800
Speaker 6: And I'm a little concerned that the next series is

1281
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,080
Speaker 6: going to start in Milwaukee is here for the fight.

1282
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 6: Miami is pushing them, Miam's going to show up and

1283
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 6: and Milwaukee's having to prove this. Like, I don't know

1284
01:02:40,160 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 6: what we're supposed to take away from the Nets. Nothing

1285
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 6: like Downray Jordan's out of the rotation, so good, I guess,

1286
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 6: like at least we got that out of the way

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Speaker 6: with like we started to see what the rotation might

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Speaker 6: shape up.

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Speaker 3: The Nets are trying on defense.

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Speaker 6: If there is defense in this AAU series, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: Like I'm worried. I'm I'm looking at game one for

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Speaker 6: the Bucks in the next series because I don't think

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Speaker 6: Booking's gonna be ready for it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we're all gonna be young, We're all good.

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Speaker 5: We're definitely gonna be and well, that's what he's gonna

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Speaker 5: be a great test, right, is like if the if

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Speaker 5: the Nets just go out and stomp them in game one,

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Speaker 5: then I'm probably gonna over react. I'm just gonna start

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Speaker 5: hammering Nets title features.

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Speaker 6: And every game forward because like, that's that's the elephant

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Speaker 6: in the room with all the other style what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 6: Who's gonna win the last? How are the Lakers? How

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Speaker 6: are the Clippers? Everyone has one eye out on, Like, uh, yeah,

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Speaker 6: the Nets might just steamroll everyone. We don't know, and

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Speaker 6: the Bucks are the test for that. But yeah, if

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Speaker 6: they come out in game one and just plow them

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Speaker 6: and just look like the Harlem Globetrotters like they have

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Speaker 6: been this series, if they do that against the Bucks,

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Speaker 6: a real team with real players and everyone going, then

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Speaker 6: we might just be headed toward that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So to wrap up, the Lakers are gonna win

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Speaker 5: because the Lakers always win, But the Bucks are gonna

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Speaker 5: win because they're unstoppable force. But the Nets are gonna

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Speaker 5: win if they win game one of the next series,

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Speaker 5: assuming that they that the the Bucks actually survived. All right,

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Speaker 5: glad we got that wrapped up. That's gonna wrap it.

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Speaker 5: Up for the Action Network podcast. Thanks for joining us. Everyone.

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Speaker 5: You can follow Rahiem and Brandon both on Twitter and

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Speaker 5: on the Action Network app where you can track them,

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Speaker 5: including Brandon's Red Hot Super Red Hot super Hot props,

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Speaker 5: which continue to absolutely kill it. Rahiem even doing awesome too.

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Speaker 5: Right in the playoffs I have, but you.

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Speaker 7: Know what, I kind of start putting more of my

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Speaker 7: stuff into the app. I like, I've had so much

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Speaker 7: stuff that I just haven't put in an app, and

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Speaker 7: I need to put more of it. But yeah, we've

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Speaker 7: been doing pretty well. We had big bet on the

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Speaker 7: Sons the other day, so.

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Speaker 5: I was eleven and four going into yesterday and the

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Speaker 5: three that I had in the app went oh and

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Speaker 5: three and the one that I did, I actually I

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Speaker 5: had the most money almost next I forgot to put

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Speaker 5: in the app.

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Speaker 4: That's my biggest problem too.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, if everybody's listening, make sure you get the

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Speaker 7: app and put every single bet that you have.

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Speaker 6: And Rahiem, I want to see you get that Ferrari

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Speaker 6: because when the heat gets sweat, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 6: bring Justin Fan on here, and I want you to

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Speaker 6: do your victory lap in the Ferrari while justin fan watches.

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Speaker 5: All right, that's gonna wrap it up for the Action Network Podcast.

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Speaker 5: Make sure a rate review the subscribe. We'll be back

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Speaker 5: next week with another update on the series and look

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Speaker 5: at the second round series because some of them should

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Speaker 5: be wrapped up by then. Thanks for joining us, everybody.

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Speaker 5: We'll talk to you guys again next time on the

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Speaker 5: Action Network Podcast NDA Edition.

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Speaker 2: We're finished talking