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Speaker 1: Welcome into day seven coverage of Brown's training camp from

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Speaker 1: the Cross Country Mortgage Campus here in Maria. I'm Jason

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Speaker 1: Gibbs coming up. In just a few minutes. You'll get

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Speaker 1: complete coverage of the Brown's last four practices as Brown's

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Speaker 1: legend Joe Thomas sits down with a great Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 1: But first, a quick recap on today's session. After a

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Speaker 1: day in pads, the team went with shorts for today's

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Speaker 1: ninety minute workout. It was hot, a tough practice even

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Speaker 1: without the pads. Both Myles Garrett and new wide receiver

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Speaker 1: jakeem Grant got the Bets day off, but today saw

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Speaker 1: the return of Amari Cooper, who missed Tuesday's practice with

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Speaker 1: an ankle injury suffered back on Monday. Cooper returned with

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Speaker 1: a bang, hauling in a twenty five yard pass and

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Speaker 1: a seven on seven session today. Nick Chubb, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure he's ready for week one now. Yes, pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: It was the defense though, that stole the show today.

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Speaker 1: Big plays from A J Green, m j Emerson, Jadavian

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette. Okay, enough from me about today, because that's

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Speaker 1: basically what went down to training camp here at the

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Speaker 1: Cross Country Mortgage Campus on the field. Time to hear

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Speaker 1: from a legend, Brown's legend, Joe Thomas sits down with

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Speaker 1: our own Nathansagura to break down the Browns practices over

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Speaker 1: the first week of the training camp season. Have a listen.

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Speaker 1: Nathan's a girl up making his return to the b

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Speaker 1: P a a k s A girl and friends. And

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Speaker 1: today I have a great friend the hof Joe Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who's been out here Brown's training camp since last Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Let's start kind of overall impressions. What's it been like

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Speaker 1: to be back, for you to actually get to interact

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Speaker 1: with everybody, see the fans, the new look, everything, Just

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Speaker 1: overall impressions of Brown's camp so far. Nathan has been

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Speaker 1: pure joy after two years of COVID interrupting my happiness

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Speaker 1: and satisfaction of Brown's training camp. Finally we're able to

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Speaker 1: be back on the field in the midst of those

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Speaker 1: huddles and standing back with the offensive lineman when they're

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Speaker 1: going through the paces, getting the perspective that you need

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Speaker 1: practice and quick impressions. Deshaun Watson looking incredibly sharp, accuracy

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Speaker 1: on his balls, the touchy has thrown passes out of

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Speaker 1: the backfield. The decision making has been very impressive. This

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Speaker 1: group of secondary players is second to none in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: They've got speed, they've got flexibility, they can play nearly

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Speaker 1: every position in that secondary, and they're gonna be one

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Speaker 1: of the biggest weapons that this team has. And I

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Speaker 1: think one of the other things that really has popped

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Speaker 1: be able to keep up on defense at linebacker with

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Speaker 1: anybody that we play at quarterback in the NFL, namely

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Speaker 1: the fastest quarterback in the game, and that's Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: for the Baltimore Ravens. I like your point about the secondary.

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Speaker 1: And here's the crazy thing. We haven't seen Denzel Ward

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Speaker 1: great there. It's a J. Green and M. J Emerson

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Speaker 1: who had a nice day to day and really he

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Speaker 1: has had a nice camp. You took great Newsome's out there,

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Speaker 1: of the things we saw yesterday, Nathan, you and I

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Speaker 1: taking in some of the running game concepts that Kevin

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Speaker 1: Stefanski likes to employ, and the linebackers kept shooting those

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Speaker 1: and they were disrupting the running game. And it was

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Speaker 1: becoming a big problem yesterday in practice with how much

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Speaker 1: to the running back in the backfield. All Right, You've

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Speaker 1: talked some about Deshaun Watson at quarterback, but as we know,

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Speaker 1: likely Week one starter is Jacoby Brissette for the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: What have you seen from that veteran quarterback. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: seen exactly what we expected in a huge reason why

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Speaker 1: Jacoby Briscette was brought here. Right, He's a guy that

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Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's a tremendous leader.

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Speaker 1: He has great command of the huddle. He's got great

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Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he's a pretty good athlete

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Speaker 1: He's not DeShawn Watson, but he was a high school

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna lose us games. And when you have

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Speaker 1: up front. Jenevan Clowning, Miles Garret, who have been wrecking shop.

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Speaker 1: It feels like every practice and now they've kind of

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Speaker 1: not lose it for you. That's all you need. And

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Speaker 1: if you think about last year, that's what we needed

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Speaker 1: to us. That's right. Don't give up the big play

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Speaker 1: You want to keep that game close and then force

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Speaker 1: Everybody in that stadium knows you gotta throw the football.

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Speaker 1: You've got lockdown corners on the back end, You've got

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Speaker 1: He seems to have a lot of joy in his

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Speaker 1: We've always seen joy from Myles Garrett, But dare I

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Speaker 1: Let's go, because I think he really understands how good

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Speaker 1: he's already done it with his performance on the field,

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Speaker 1: and that's what he's embraced this training camp. Now, I

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Speaker 1: they were convinced that you, absolutely, after just watching you

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Speaker 1: do you're hopping around, could be an elite left tackless

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Speaker 1: league like today. What do you say to that, I say,

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Speaker 1: Jed Wills and Bill Callahan. But what was that like?

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Speaker 1: What we're kind of the words of wisdom that you

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Speaker 1: Because I was enjoying watching the way everybody was watching you.

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Speaker 1: so sometimes when you play that position, as long as

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking about biomechanical technique, things and cues that

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Speaker 1: So unless you actually thought about it when you were

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Speaker 1: And so I think that just five or ten minutes

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Speaker 1: that first Sunday that they played the Carolina Panthers in September.

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Speaker 1: It's wild to me that coach Callan's considered one of

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Speaker 1: the best to ever played the position. You guys really

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Speaker 1: finally guy. He's like Covid ruined it for two years

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Speaker 1: is great all we're all winning. Yeah, it was. It

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Speaker 1: was really special. I have so much respect for coach Callahan.

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Speaker 1: Back when Andrew Berry called me and they were looking

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Speaker 1: Gallan's name came up, I said, it's a no brainer.

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Speaker 1: If you can get that guy here, you gotta do it.

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Speaker 1: He's one of the best. He's done it with so

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