1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost famous podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,360 Speaker 1: with R Radio. Hello everyone, it is Ashley and it's 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: just me solo today, which is always kind of weird 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: for me because I can't talk to myself the way 5 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 1: that Ben does, and I mean that in a compliment 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: towards him. But I am going to go through some 7 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: Bachelor hot topics now, and then a couple of little 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: bullet pointed thoughts that I had while watching Brad's seasons 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: over again. And then after that we're going to be 10 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 1: having Michelle Money, Ashley Spivey, and Linny's Atoms joined the podcast, 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: and I'm really excited about those interviews. Let's start with 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: the first hot topic. It's not that hot, guys, gonna 13 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: be honest, it's more of an evergreen. But E Online 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: just did an article twelve Facts about the Bachelor Mansion. 15 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: Twelve secrets about the iconic home. It was built in 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: two thousand four and it what it's worth a reported 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: eight point seven five million, or at least it was 18 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:10,559 Speaker 1: back in two thousand eight. It's nine thousand square feet 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: and it's built on ten acres of property. It's got 20 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: six bedrooms and an infinity pool, which you guys have 21 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,559 Speaker 1: all seen the contractor and president of the Marshall Group, 22 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: Marshall Harden and his family built the house and he 23 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: also lives in the house still when The Bachelor isn't filming. 24 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: Marshall is a great guy. Love him so much. He 25 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,400 Speaker 1: honestly like, if I'm passing by and I text him 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, hey, can I jump in the 27 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: pool real quick, he'd let me. He does. It's he's 28 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: so sweet. The house is called it's as a name, 29 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: it's called Villa de la Vina Vina, and it's actually 30 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: available to rent for events like receptions, corporate events, proposals, 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: which I've seen a couple on Instagram. You can also 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: book Chris Harrison for it. And they've also done weddings 33 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: at the band that the mansion too. I can see 34 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: that being a pretty cool wedding venue. They record for 35 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: about forty two days per season, twice a year, So 36 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: at this time Marshall and the family pack up everything 37 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: they legit like take everything out of the house, curtains, TVs, pots, pants, clothes, everything. 38 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,519 Speaker 1: It goes out in one day. They've got it down 39 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: to a science um and then it takes about two 40 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: weeks to put the whole house back together again. But 41 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: whatever you see in the house when you're watching the show, 42 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: it's not like that, um, when they're living in it. 43 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: It has a whole different set of furniture. It looks 44 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: more like a home than it does a set at 45 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: that point. Oh and another thing that they do is 46 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: they paint the walls different every season and they kind 47 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 1: of coordinated to whether it's a man in the house 48 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: or a woman in the house as the lead. And 49 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: then they sometimes painted back when they move back in. 50 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: He says that there's about forty four coats of paint 51 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: on each wall. And if you're wondering where the Hardened 52 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: family lives, they stay at a hotel about two or 53 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: three miles down. He does call it quite a hassle um. 54 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: And then the first night you think about the wet 55 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: the wet driver, right, Well, that is what by a 56 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: a production assistant who is the host every night. Wine. 57 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't know why they care about listening. I'm sure 58 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: it has something to do with making the lighting look prettier, 59 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: the environment more lush. Contestants also have, like you guys 60 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: know from just listening to Ben and I on this podcast, 61 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: full access to the kitchen and you can cook whatever 62 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: we want. And the for those two ish weeks that 63 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: we were in the mansion filming, there's not like a 64 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 1: group dinners or buffets or anything like that. The feeding 65 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: yourself is pretty much on you, alright. So I hope 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: you guys enjoyed those little facts. Did Our next hot 67 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: topic has to do with where they are filming The 68 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: Bachelor right now. They're calling the Laquinta Resort a protective 69 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: bubble right now while filming clear season. They say that 70 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: the amount of crew there is less than a normal 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,840 Speaker 1: season would have, and that of course no one is 72 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,480 Speaker 1: allowed on the resort to go like in and out 73 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: as they please. Everybody's been wearing masks and keeping at 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: a social distance. I mean, I don't think the cast 75 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: is going to be staying at a social distance, but 76 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Um, And there's also a 77 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: medical team on site that is enforcing all the protocols 78 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: and administering the tests. There's overall an abundance of safety 79 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: and caution going on at the Quinta these days. And 80 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: what's nice is that the resort does have so much 81 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: acreage and a lot of the filming time is being 82 00:04:56,720 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: done outdoors. Next hot topic is Barb. Barb is running 83 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: her mouth again, and I say that in a nice way. 84 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: She's talking about Kelly Flannagan and whether she and her 85 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,919 Speaker 1: son are going to be getting engaged anytime soon, but 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: she says they're taking a day by day. Engagement is 87 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: not on the radar right now, but when it is, 88 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: you'll hear it from her. Oh, Barb, so funny. Demi 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: Burnett says that Cassie Randolph refuses to tell her why 90 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: she broke up with Colton Underwood. I don't think it's 91 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: she broke up. I think like why the two of 92 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: them broke up? But that is the headline from Cosmo, 93 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: and I think this is just another demonstration of how 94 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,840 Speaker 1: far Cassie is going to protect Colton in their relationship. 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: And all the drama last week about her being on 96 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,919 Speaker 1: one of the Goat episodes. I think is just really 97 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: crazy because she has been very very private about all this, 98 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: and Demi says she's asked her fifty times but she 99 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: won't budge. Well, it's not all that Demi has been 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 1: saying this week about Colton and Cassie. She's also calling 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: him petty. She did this on the Chicks in the 102 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 1: Office podcast. She says that Cassie has been one of 103 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: my favorite cast members post show. She and I are 104 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: actually really good friends. I hung out with her recently. 105 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: This is where she asked about the whole this This 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: is where she asked about the breakup fifty times. She 107 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 1: said that she wouldn't talk about it. She said that 108 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: she has been so respectful of their privacy and that 109 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:38,680 Speaker 1: they're not going to be public about anything about their breakup. Um. Randolph, 110 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,159 Speaker 1: she says, has nothing bad to say. She even cried 111 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: at one point during their meeting. She said it was 112 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: really hard. Um. She cares about him so much, And 113 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: she said so even though I don't know what happened, 114 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: She's really loyal to her word on on that being 115 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: the privacy. So with the Instagram drama and Colton being 116 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: mad about the fact that she went on the Bachelor episode, 117 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 1: I've really think that's ridiculous because she didn't even say 118 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: anything about the relationship at all. She also said, I 119 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: think that he was just like being petty and trying 120 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: to get a reaction out of her. But I was 121 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: really proud of her for what she said. Um. She 122 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: said that I think that it was really cool that 123 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: she stood up for herself and that was the best 124 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: way she could have handled it. Our next hot topic 125 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: is pretty hot. So we all know if you follow 126 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,280 Speaker 1: pop culture, that vander Pump Rules has a couple of 127 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: cast member spots available right now since Stacy and Kristen 128 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: will no longer be on the show, and Sina shat 129 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: is suggesting that her friend Jasmine Good, our bachelor, one 130 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: of our Bachelor lums, be a part of their cast. Okay, 131 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: so this all came about on Friday's episode of Shenanigans. 132 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: Jasmine said this at the suggestion, I don't know. I mean, 133 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: for me, it's one of those things where if it 134 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: makes sense of the time, sure, So maybe I would. 135 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: I think I would. I think I'd be great. She 136 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: goes on to say, one, I think it'd be great 137 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: because you guys do not have anybody that looks like 138 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: me on the show right now. So number one, you 139 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: do need some representation. So she says that she entertained 140 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: the idea and see what's up. She also said that quote, 141 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I've met a lot of people on this show and 142 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: they just want to be this character. Maybe since I've 143 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: already been on a TV show. I don't care about 144 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 1: that part. To me, it's going to be very real 145 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: and authentic, and that's why I'm kind of scared if 146 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: I did do it, if I am to be honest. Okay, 147 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: So basically, she doesn't want to be playing a character. 148 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: She just wants to be herself. So we'll see if 149 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: this idea that they had on Shenanigans comes to be 150 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: our final hot topic leads into this week's overall discussion. 151 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: Brad wall Max says that he would not be the 152 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 1: Bachelor for the third time. I did love Brad as 153 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: a bachelor. I know he's very vanilla, He's a little 154 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: straight laced, but he is kind of the quintessential bachelor 155 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: to me as far as like the caricature of it 156 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: all goes. You know, But Brad is currently in a 157 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 1: relationship and not interested in putting himself through that. So 158 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: I watched, of course, last night, the Brad Goat episode. 159 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: Brad was the first season I ever watched, but it 160 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: was ten years ago, and I had some good laughs 161 00:09:32,040 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: and thoughts or rewatching it a decade later. Like when 162 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: you say a decade, it really changes things. It's like, Wow, 163 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: that is a damn period of time. My first laugh 164 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: was Chris Harrison calls him the sexiest Bachelor ever, and 165 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: I think he definitely was at that point leading up 166 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: to two thousand ten. I still think he's a very sexy, 167 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: good looking man. But you guys, I need to know 168 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 1: is he the sexiest bachelor ever? I'd say that there 169 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: have been some guys that are more my type sense, 170 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: and let me know what you think. Tweet at me 171 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 1: at Ashley Ico, because I'd love to know who you 172 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: guys think was the sexiest Bachelor ever and if we 173 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: need to retire that title for Brad. And then I 174 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 1: was also wondering was he ever on the show prior? 175 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: I don't think he was. I think Brad was one 176 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: of those guys that they saw it was a good looking, 177 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: hard working, successful Southerner and they kind of plucked him 178 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: out of obscurity, gave him the title of bachelor and 179 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: then did it twice. So that's interesting. I think it 180 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: was probably the last time we've had a lead until 181 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: Matt James, who was not part of the cast the 182 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: season or couple before. And then Chris Harrison also says 183 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning of this that it was the most 184 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: shocking moment in Bachelor history when Brad doesn't choose two 185 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: girls or he doesn't choose from either of his final 186 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: two girls, And I was thinking, is that still the 187 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,320 Speaker 1: most shocking moment in Bachelor history? It's up there, It's 188 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: definitely up there, I'd have to say, in my personal opinion, 189 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: it may be tied now with Peters season and just 190 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: all that went down in the Top three and post show, 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: you know section of that whole thing, because they're more 192 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: twist and turns and that then I've I can remember 193 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: seeing another thing that made me laugh while watching this 194 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: was baby doll dresses. These girls were getting. They were 195 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 1: walking out of the limo and baby doll dresses. They 196 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: were they were going to be proposed to in baby 197 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: doll dresses. It's a fashion item that I'm glad has 198 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: um cooled down a bit because they're cute every now 199 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: and then, but to use them as your, you know, 200 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 1: your formal attire, it doesn't work for me. And watching 201 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: Brad season the first one for the first time, I 202 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: had to think, at the end of it all, did 203 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 1: they make him choose between dumping the girls completely or 204 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,559 Speaker 1: getting engaged to one of them? Because I'm really confused 205 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: still kind of why he didn't ask Diana just to 206 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: date a little bit, because he could have been like, look, 207 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: I really like you. I don't. I'm not there. I'm 208 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: not that point to propose. I don't even know if 209 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm at that love point, but I'd like to see 210 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: how this goes in real life. But he didn't take that. 211 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: He didn't take that route. So I'm wondering, like, if 212 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: he really truly thought that it couldn't go anywhere with 213 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: with her and how he was feeling that entire time 214 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: throughout the entire process. Was he thinking, I don't think 215 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: there's a girl here that I can really see myself 216 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: with or did that decision come down to the last 217 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: day anyway? Questions that may always remain questions, but they weren't. 218 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 1: It wasn't really completely clear to me watching this Goat 219 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: episode back. I had to laugh when Chris Harrison had 220 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: Brad on the couch during after the final Rows and 221 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: he was talking about why Brad decided to buy the ring. 222 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: He's like, but you bought the ring. Why would you 223 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 1: buy ring if you weren't planning on for posing. I'm like, 224 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: oh yeah, Chris, this is this is back at a 225 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: time that we pretended that the lead bought the ring, 226 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: or that like the proposed the proposing person bought the ring. 227 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: I guess Neil Lane wasn't a sponsor back then, but 228 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty freaking funny. I've got a 229 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: couple more things that I want to mention before getting 230 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: Michelle money on the phone. The girls didn't know who 231 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: the bachelor was when they pulled up, and yet they 232 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: had all of these very witty things to say to Brad. 233 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: They show the limo pulling up and they're like, who 234 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: is it? Who is it? Oh it's Brad, Oh my god, 235 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: it's Brad. And yet they all had something to say 236 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 1: that was just perfectly tailored to Brad, like Chantel in 237 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: the slap. I'm like, okay, So they pretend to the 238 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: girls like there was a list of options and it 239 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: could be any of those men, And then did they 240 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: have to come up with entrances for each of the 241 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: possible bachelors. I don't know. This was silly. It seemed 242 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: a little produced to me. I also love the time 243 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: where Emily says, my mom says it's better to be 244 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: home alone than to be home and wish you were alone. 245 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: And I think that is a great phrase for girls 246 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 1: in a relationship these days to think about before you know, 247 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: getting a ring on it, before committing, before moving in together. 248 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 1: Just repeat that line to yourself a time or two. 249 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: It's better to be home alone than to be home 250 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: and wish you were alone. All right, Well, I I 251 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: obviously feel a little awkward talking to myself on this podcast, 252 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: so I'm going to get Michelle Money on the phone. 253 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: We'll talk a little bit more about Brad's season, her 254 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: role in it, and all the life changes that have 255 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 1: been thrown her way recently. Hey guys, today it is 256 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: just me, but I have some amazing guests from Brad's season, 257 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 1: including one of, in my personal opinion, the most iconic 258 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: Bachelor contestants. She's always kept it real, She's always had 259 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: the best beauty moments. And Michelle Money, you have always 260 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: had this amazing motherly, protective, encouraging quality when somebody needed 261 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: on the show. And I love you for being here. Oh, 262 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm so happy to be here. It's such a trip 263 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: that we're doing this ten years later, but here we are. 264 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: It is so crazy. So I do want to talk 265 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: about Brad's season, and I know that you kind of 266 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: had like some emotional baggage. Uh, just ten years later, 267 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: you were still experiencing it. And you're not alone because 268 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: so many people have been like I thought, I put 269 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: my season to bed, and now they're regurgitating it so 270 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: many years later. Yeah, it's this emotional like upheaval of 271 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,920 Speaker 1: this thing that you thought. I know, for me, I 272 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: really thought I had dealt with it all, um, and 273 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: everyone's experiences different. Mine on the Bachelor just happened to 274 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: be like very edited and very um. I mean I 275 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: even had the executive reserves apologizing to me about how 276 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: overly edited I was. And so for me, it was like, 277 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: I mean, of all the shows I've done, the three 278 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: shows I've done, that's the one show I would never 279 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: want to relive again. I have a season like that too. Okay, 280 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: So I had it, um, But I do want to 281 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: talk to you about brial first. So of course, like 282 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: you know, all Bachelor Nation was, I mean, I like 283 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: to think that all Bachelnation just follow in your story 284 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: with Brielle. In March, she had a skateboarding accident. We 285 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: were praying, praying, praying, Um, do you feel comfortable kind 286 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: of like going through the stages totally okay, So like 287 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: from the accident, like, can you explain what happened for 288 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: those who didn't follow. Yeah, so um. On March twenty nine, 289 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: Brielle had decided that she wanted to go on a 290 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: little longboarding um trip by herself, which in my where 291 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: I live it's kind of slop, being lots of hills, 292 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: but she usually does her longboarding at her dad's house, 293 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: which is totally flat. So she's like, Mom, I want 294 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: to go get my longboarding and going to ride. I'm like, okay, 295 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: so listen, you gott to wear your helmet. She's like, no, Mom, 296 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: I don't need a helmet, Like I'm a professional long boarder. 297 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, you're not a professional word, and and I'm like, 298 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,199 Speaker 1: you need to wear your helmet. Well, she left by herself, 299 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 1: didn't put her helmet on, and her first run, which 300 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: was just right outside of her house, is down the 301 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: steep hill, and we think that she probably hit like 302 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: a manhole and and just crashed and just smacked her head. 303 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 1: So she landed on the right side of her head 304 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: and the force was so severe that it pushed her 305 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: brain to the left side. So there was bruising on 306 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: the left side and damage and its structured school on 307 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: the right. So she was because she was by herself 308 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: and she had just left. I about ten minutes passed, 309 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: and then I was like, I wonder what she's doing. 310 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: So I look out my window and I can kind 311 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 1: of see at the bottom of this hill like some 312 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: commotion going on. Well, turns out Brielle had been laying 313 00:18:40,760 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: there by herself for thirteen minutes before my neighbors who 314 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 1: happened to be on a walk I saw her laying 315 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: in the streets and called, and so I thought maybe 316 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: she had broken an ankle or twisted her wrist. Long 317 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: story short, I drive down there thinking I'm just gonna 318 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: take her right to the er, and she's unconscious and 319 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: laying in the street, blood everywhere. I mean, I'm freaking out. 320 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: The neighbors thank god UM found her in time, because 321 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: she wasn't getting oxygen to her brain and all the 322 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: stuff that happens with brain injuries. So we uh, yeah, 323 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: I got her sent right over to Primary Children's Hospital, 324 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: where she was in a coma for ten days, and 325 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,719 Speaker 1: she was she was in the hospital for a whole month, right, yeah, yep, Wow, 326 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: Um just how did you how is the support did 327 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: you feel support from your fans? I could not believe 328 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: how much support and love and attention was was had 329 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:46,160 Speaker 1: over all of us. I really, I mean it's been 330 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: the one thing that I feel totally confident in is 331 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: the power of prayer. And think about that, because I mean, 332 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: after this, you really believed in it. I could not 333 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: believe the timing of like we had just I had 334 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 1: to do like a big group player on Sunday. Um, 335 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: you know, it had been a week since and she 336 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: was still in a coma, and we did this group 337 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: prayer for four o'clock and that is when everything started, 338 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: um shifting for the better. And a few days later 339 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: they were able to take her out of a coma. 340 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: So it's just been amazing, I mean, all the love 341 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: that you and everyone from the Bachelor family gave. And 342 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 1: And a really cool story is Emily Maynard had shared 343 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,640 Speaker 1: my story on her Instagram and one of her followers 344 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: was followed the story and made her her little boy 345 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: put this helmet on. Well, the next day he got 346 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: and he got hit by a car. He's four year 347 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: old got hit by a car, but he had his 348 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: helmet on and like Bril saved his life through Emily 349 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: Maynard's post like Bachelor. The Bachelor family is just like 350 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 1: such a powerhouse of like influence, and so it really 351 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: has I mean I get messages all the time. My 352 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 1: child now wears their helmet because of your story. And um, so, 353 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: I mean it just spread like wildfire and everyone was 354 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:14,880 Speaker 1: just so wonderful and supportive and and twenty six days 355 00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: after she was checked into the hospital, she was walking 356 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: out and she is now like doing so awesome. I mean, 357 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: she's still got a lot that she has to wait for. 358 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: Just the brain takes about a year to heal, so 359 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: she's still struggling with some short term memory um issues 360 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: and some focusing issues and headaches and um. But like 361 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 1: physically she's just like back to herself. There was a 362 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: while where we thought she was going to be paralyzed 363 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 1: on her left side of her body. Um, I mean 364 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: there was so she had blood clots. There were so 365 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 1: many things that could have just taken this down a 366 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: totally different path. But I truly believe because of all 367 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: the prayers and love, she is through of being and 368 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: doing amazing and we believe she will have a full recovery. 369 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: That's amazing. I'm I'm so so happy to hear this. 370 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: We kind of all felt like we, well, I'm speaking 371 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: on behalf of everyone, I should speak on behalf of me. 372 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: I felt like, not only do I have a connection 373 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 1: to you, but like, through watching Brielle and just you 374 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,760 Speaker 1: talk about her on the show, I feel like a 375 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: lot of fans felt like they kind of knew her 376 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: and watched her grow up too, Because now she's did 377 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: you fifteen and a half? That is so crazy? And 378 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: then on on Brad season she was five. I know 379 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: what is going on. It's such a trip, And yeah, 380 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: I do think you know, Brielle has been a huge 381 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: part of you know, the dialogue that I've had throughout 382 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: my experiences on each show. So yeah, it's it's I 383 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 1: love that people feel like they are connected to her, 384 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: and it's just made all the difference in her recovery. 385 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: I truly believe that. Do you guys, do you feel 386 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: like even more attached to her at the hip? Like 387 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: do you feel like you're like, I'm obsessed and overly 388 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: protective of you right now? Is I just have such 389 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: a deeper compassion and understanding for anyone who has watched 390 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: their child go through like a living hell and come 391 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: out on the other side. You just it changes you forever. 392 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: And I just for me, the biggest change that I 393 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: have found is that I really am actively um parenting 394 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: her first and being her friend's second, where before it 395 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: was the reverse. And that is what got us into 396 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: this accident, where like it was just like this wake 397 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: up call, Like Michelle, you are her mother. Your job 398 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: is to protect her. You should have taken that helmet 399 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: and strapped her in it or else not let her go. 400 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: And so for me, there's a lot of guilt that 401 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 1: I wasn't a parent first. And so now as I 402 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,440 Speaker 1: move forward, you know, as I get the amazing opportunity 403 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: to continue to parent her, I'm like, I'm showing up 404 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: differently in her life and I have to, you know, 405 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: as until she's eighteen years old or moves out or whatever, 406 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: like you these are the rules. Like we've dialed things back, 407 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: like less screen time, dialing in the curfew, like being 408 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: overly protective about like who she's hanging out with and 409 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: what she's um, what she's up to do. So, yeah, 410 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: it's changed me in a lot of ways. With that's 411 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: the biggest way. And you also have had the support 412 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 1: of your boyfriend. Um is his name is Mike Weir. 413 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: He's a professional golfer. Is weird? How's thats how you 414 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: say it? Yeah? Yeah, you guys have been together for 415 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,719 Speaker 1: how long now? So we um we just celebrated our 416 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,199 Speaker 1: four year anniversary in May, and it's so funny because 417 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: we just have had this beautiful, organic, slow progression of 418 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:49,719 Speaker 1: a relationship that has been like so healthy and like 419 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 1: we never fight. We just had this very deep respect 420 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: for each other. And but we've never wanted to get married. 421 00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 1: So on our anniversary in May, Mike got down on 422 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: a knee and gave mir ring and asked me to 423 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: be his forever girlfriend. So really okay, So now I 424 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: need to know more about this and so easy a 425 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: perfect match, your true love. You never wanted to get married? 426 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 1: Is it because was he married in the past? He's 427 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: been married before, I've been married before, And we almost 428 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: just feel like things are so good and so beautiful 429 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: that like we don't want to do anything to like 430 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 1: mess anything up, and where we're I'm not that like 431 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: marriage would mess it up, but like I feel like 432 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 1: Mike is like a hell yes, but marriage is not 433 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: hell yes. For either of us, and you both have 434 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: children from prior relationships, so I think to some degree 435 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: that affects it because you don't have together. Yeah, we 436 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: don't want more kids. We have a beautiful relationship with 437 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: each other's children that just feels really healthy and good 438 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: and I just for now, this is what we're doing. 439 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 1: And um, yeah, Like minute, but I wear my ring 440 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: on my right hund. I'm like, I don't know, there's 441 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: something about it. I'm like, I had it on the 442 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: left hand for a while and I'm like, I just 443 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 1: can't like, so I switched it over to the right. 444 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 1: We just I don't know. When you've been through a 445 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: marriage and you've been divorced and then you've seen a 446 00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: lot of divorce in your life, it's like there's I'm 447 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 1: at this place where I'm like, I just don't know 448 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: that that's what we want to do in our lives 449 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: right now. Okay, So now I have to ask about 450 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 1: the rings. Do you I like the thought of Jared 451 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: wearing a ring because it says to other women I'm taken, 452 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: and you know, vice versa with me. So do you 453 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,840 Speaker 1: guys have do you have guys coming up to you 454 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 1: trying to hit on you. Does he have girls? You know, 455 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: is it there's not that stay away symbol? Yeah, but 456 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't for us. That doesn't mean anything, you know, 457 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: like I don't wear this every day and I don't 458 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: need him to wear one, and like it is a 459 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: really beautiful what it represents is so beautiful. Um, and 460 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: I love having it on. I'm getting more and more 461 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: used to it. But like if girls hit on Mike, 462 00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: it means nothing to me, Like yeah, like there's no 463 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: intimidation or like concern or like we just have a 464 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: really solid relationship. I don't know. I'm not happy for you. 465 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm really really happy for you. Um. So 466 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about Brad season. So from 467 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: the beginning, you know what, Okay, So let's you. It's 468 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: so funny because I Brad season was the first season 469 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: I watched kind of, Um, I watched Ali's season and 470 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,160 Speaker 1: but I watched it in a really quick, like two 471 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: day binge. So, but Brad season was the first one 472 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: that I watched week by Week, which his first yours 473 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: yours your time, so the second one, and I remember 474 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: my like I try to transport myself back to the 475 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: week by week, and I was like my sister, and 476 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: I would be like, man, Michelle, like she's she can 477 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,360 Speaker 1: be so bad, she could be so annoying, but she's 478 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: so pretty. I can't even hate her because she's so pretty. 479 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,359 Speaker 1: Like that was our thing. But I remembered that I 480 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: was often annoyed by your actions. But that was only 481 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: when I really transported myself back to that because you 482 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: and I feel like myself, if I am to my 483 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: own horn, have had our bad times on the show. 484 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: The way that we were well you know, maybe we 485 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: were a little mean, and maybe we were a little extra, 486 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, we we are 487 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: blessed to be thought of as loved characters. How do 488 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:46,479 Speaker 1: you feel you are able to just evolve like that? Well, 489 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: I think for me a lot. I learned so much 490 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,719 Speaker 1: from from you know, just to rewind. Like right before 491 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: I went on to film the show, I had like 492 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: walked away from my religion that I had like grown 493 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 1: up in the Mormon really and um, I had been divorced. 494 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: I was just like kind of like a new single 495 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 1: mom with like a new kind of sense of confidence 496 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: and security, and like, um, I just was in this 497 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: place in my life where I was really kind of 498 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: stepping into my sexuality, my independence, um, my own free thinking, 499 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: and so I kind of it was. It's so interesting 500 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: when I look back at it now, how like, oh, 501 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: I was just like I was just like trying to 502 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: figure it out and so but that's not what everyone 503 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: else knew, right and so um for me personally, when 504 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 1: I watched some of the show, because I didn't watch 505 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,479 Speaker 1: all of it. When I watched my season, it was 506 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: like a slap in the face of like, whoe girl, 507 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Like who do you think you are? Kind of a thing, 508 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: because I really was like very overly confident and and 509 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: and and arrogant in a lot of ways on But 510 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: through that I learned a lot. I learned a lot 511 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: about myself, and it's helped me to become a more 512 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: well rounded version of myself. So then I went on 513 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: to do Bachelor Pad and Bachelor in Paradise and taking 514 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: the things that I've learned from that experience, which by 515 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: the way, is the most like awful setting to put 516 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: women in this like one man, all these women, Like 517 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 1: your insecurities get thrown out in the most bizarre ways. 518 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you're going to be the worst 519 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: version of yourself, worst version, and then they're only showing 520 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: the worst version, the worst of the worst. There's a 521 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: lot of really soft and more compassionate sites me that 522 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: we're not shown. But um, it did give me an 523 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: opportunity as the years have gone by to kind of 524 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,959 Speaker 1: like reflect and really and really kind of look a 525 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: little deeper at how I showed up then versus like 526 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: how I'm showing up in my life now, and I've 527 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: come a long way. I feel the exact same way. 528 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: It really like pushed me into a state of growth. 529 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm forever thankful for it. Um you guys, you also, 530 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: but like I also feel like people didn't quite understand 531 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: your sense of humor a lot of times, like you 532 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: were being snarky, like you thought that you were being 533 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: like funny with a little attitude, where I also made 534 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: that kind of mistake because you put a little music 535 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: behind it, you clip that in during a certain scenario, 536 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: and people don't see your like self aware sense of 537 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: humor at all for sure. And that was something that 538 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: I think I had to look at because I think 539 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: sarcasm and a lot of times is like a defense 540 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 1: mechanism and a lot of the things I were saying, 541 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: we're sarcastic, but it was coming from this true place 542 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: of insecurity where I was like I didn't quite have 543 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: my uh my my footing on, like my my feelings 544 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: and being able to full express what I was really feeling. 545 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: And so instead of like letting myself express that in 546 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: a healthy way, it kind of comes out through sarcasm. 547 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: And so it was interesting for me to see like 548 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: how sarcastic I was, and how that was actually a 549 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: shield I would use to keep me from feeling pain 550 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: or feeling insecurity. Right yeah, um, you also talk about 551 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: on your Instagram this week about your insecurity is about 552 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 1: this season re airring and the fact that you said that, 553 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, we were talking about it earlier. You had 554 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 1: so many feelings that you thought would be gone by now, 555 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: but you don't. You said this thing that we're all 556 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: villains and we're all heroes at the same time. I 557 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: love it when you said, you're like, I mean, but 558 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: I also have a loving heart. I'm lazy, but I'm 559 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: a hard worker. It's this ten minute video she posted. 560 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: You guys should go watch it. You're so eloquent and 561 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: so like amazingly articulate. The fact that like that's not 562 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 1: edited and you're just like rambling in the car is amazing. 563 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: But I want to talk about how just the self 564 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: discovery that you had recently, well it's funny, like it's 565 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: embarrassing to even talk about because it's been ten years 566 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and it's like no one's talking about me, Like everyone's 567 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: moved on, no one's no one's dwelling on it. But 568 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: when I got the call that they were going to 569 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: be re airing my season, it evoked this like uncomfortable 570 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: anxiety that I have been living with that comes and 571 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: goes like you know throughout the years, like it's very 572 00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: rare that I feel it now, but when it when 573 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: it hits me, it like hits me, and it was 574 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: just like why is this still? What is what am 575 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: I not seeing? I mean, I've been through therapy, I've 576 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: done all sorts of like healing modalities, I've done all 577 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: the the work right around it, but the one thing 578 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: I never did was own it, like own that I 579 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: am a villain and that that's just part of like 580 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: being human. And it was this really powerful connection I 581 00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: made through my recent like the veil kind of being 582 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: lifted off me around racism because I've really been looking 583 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: at my white privilege, and I've really had to look 584 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: at which is It's funny now that I look back 585 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 1: on my season, there was so much white privilege that 586 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: I was scaring. I mean, I was like privileged all 587 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: over the screen. It was just like, oh my god, Michelle, 588 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 1: it's like more defined now as far as just like 589 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: so anyway I've been, I've really been dissecting that and 590 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: I really had to look a little bit deeper at 591 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 1: like what what I'm not seeing about myself. And I 592 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: read the book White Fragility, which was very same I 593 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: did too. I had I had the author on the 594 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: podcast Oh my gosh, stop it, I'm gonna listen. I 595 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: just found it to be so like so refreshing to 596 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,120 Speaker 1: be like, oh, Okay, there's this thing about me, and 597 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: I can't change it unless I look at it and 598 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: own it. And that's kind of what I did with 599 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,799 Speaker 1: this villain title of being like, oh, I have to 600 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: own it, and then I have to integrate it and 601 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: I have to show up differently. And for whatever reason, 602 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: it just like removed to the charge that was like 603 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: landing in in my chest every time I would even 604 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,240 Speaker 1: think about my season on the Bachelor and It's funny 605 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: that that was a few weeks ago, and I have 606 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: felt so much more peace and like resolution and kind 607 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: of like contentment around all of it ever since. I 608 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: just like looked at it and owned it and then 609 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: just was like, oh, it's just like part of my personality. 610 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: And we have to own all of these aspects of 611 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 1: who we are as human beings in order to really 612 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: see each other as equal. Right, So what do you 613 00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: think about cancel culture? Oh gosh, because I feel like 614 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: it rolls over It's like, well, you can admit that 615 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: part of you is a little villainous, part of you 616 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: is a little bit mean, but how but it doesn't 617 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,840 Speaker 1: admitting that doesn't go hand in hand with with cancel 618 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: culture because in cancel culture you have to be pure 619 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: and perfect. Yeah, I mean I struggle a out with 620 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,799 Speaker 1: it and the problem that I'm seeing, like it's just 621 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: how hard it is now to to feel comfortable speaking 622 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 1: your truth. And it's very dangerous when we start, um 623 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: like being so black and white about things and not 624 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,919 Speaker 1: finding any room for grace or forgiveness or understanding, And 625 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: it's scary and it makes people silent themselves, um silence themselves. 626 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know, it's it's scary. How do you 627 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: feel about it? I feel like I probably a worse 628 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: host today than I would have then I probably was 629 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,919 Speaker 1: a year ago, because I feel like both Ben and 630 00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,879 Speaker 1: I together censor ourselves a lot more, and we over 631 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: analyze like every little sentence were about to say because 632 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 1: we don't want it to be misconstrued. We know it's 633 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: coming from a good place, but if you just have 634 00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 1: like the wrong word there, or you're struggling to articulate yourself, 635 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: people will jump it and call it something it wasn't intended. 636 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting, how you know. I was talking 637 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: to my sister about gender inequality, and she brought up 638 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: a really good point about how if you were to 639 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: take a metal beam and bend it one direction, in 640 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,359 Speaker 1: order to get it back to equal, you kind of 641 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,359 Speaker 1: have to over extend it the other direction for it 642 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,560 Speaker 1: to kind of land right back to equal. And that's 643 00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,319 Speaker 1: what I'm feeling is happening with with racism, with inequality, 644 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: with social injustices, is like we have to have someone 645 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: scream it in our face and make an over emphasize 646 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 1: it for us to hopefully land back right around here. 647 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,880 Speaker 1: Because I do think there are people who are carelessly 648 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:57,720 Speaker 1: throwing out reckless and damaging and toxic conversations that should 649 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 1: be canceled to some degree and should be people should 650 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,680 Speaker 1: be held accountable. My hope is just that like it 651 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: kind of we use all of this as like a 652 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: wake up call to just like eventually end up back 653 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: in in the middle where we can just all show 654 00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: up as like kind of a better, more evolved version 655 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: of ourselves with a little bit more insight into a 656 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 1: lot of injustices and inequality going on in the world. 657 00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: I love that analogy. Honestly, I think you need your 658 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 1: own talk show. I know there's too many podcasts out there, 659 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,400 Speaker 1: but perhaps you should start one because you like have 660 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: a lot of oprah. I feel like you do. Okay, 661 00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,600 Speaker 1: I want to talk about some more fun stuff regarding 662 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: a broad season right after this break. Al right, guys, 663 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 1: we are back with Michelle Money. Michelle, you culture the 664 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 1: first villain? Were you truly because you were like the 665 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: first season I watched, Were you really the first villain? Yeah? 666 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: I think I really was. I mean I think that 667 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,760 Speaker 1: there was like a rated r who was on Ali's 668 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 1: season who like but as far as like a female 669 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:17,439 Speaker 1: character there was also Vienna. Okay, yeah, but as far 670 00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: as like, I mean, yeah, I think I think I 671 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,319 Speaker 1: was one of the first. I don't know how to 672 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,600 Speaker 1: feel about that. I think you probably were, because even 673 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,000 Speaker 1: though I didn't watch the show, I feel like I 674 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,160 Speaker 1: would have known other names. Yeah, yeah, What the heck 675 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: was up with your black eye that one day you 676 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 1: woke up? You really never were able to figure out 677 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 1: the black eye? Never? All I know is it was 678 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: alcohol induced. Um, that's it. Like I had been drinking. 679 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 1: I don't, and I woke up and did not remember 680 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,439 Speaker 1: much of the night clearly. Um, but I have no 681 00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: recollection on what on what happened? I have no clue. 682 00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,719 Speaker 1: Isn't that weird? It's so weird. We all thought it 683 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: was like makeup or a sort of production element, and 684 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,720 Speaker 1: it wasn't so weird. You use sexuality on Brad season 685 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: and I like need tips, give a girl's tips out there? 686 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: How do we just like embrace that confidence that you 687 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 1: had and yeah, give me an Oprah here, give me 688 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: a Well, I don't. I don't know that I'm necessarily 689 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: um proud of of that. It. I mean, I do 690 00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: love that I am in touch with my sexuality. But 691 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,399 Speaker 1: I do think that um there was a comment that 692 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: um Um Chantel had made where it's like, Michelle is 693 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: a girl who's used to getting what she wants and 694 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,600 Speaker 1: she usually does, and that is true for how I 695 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,399 Speaker 1: was in my twenties, Like I was able to use 696 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: my beauty and my sexuality to get me a head 697 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: in life. And as I look back at it now, 698 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: it's not something to be proud of when you're doing 699 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,840 Speaker 1: it with the intention of using your sexuality in in 700 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: like a very authentic sexual moment um. Then I think 701 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,000 Speaker 1: it's powerful when you're using it in order to get 702 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: ahead or get um attention that I don't know, like 703 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm not super proud of the way I showed up 704 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 1: that way sexually, to be honest, Okay, but you did 705 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: say a thing, but go ahead, yes, I will say. 706 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,840 Speaker 1: Confidence is such an important factor in and be in 707 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: becoming more sexual and owning your sexuality is feeling confident 708 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: in your own skin, which goes back to accepting all 709 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,399 Speaker 1: aspects of who you are, which I think is one 710 00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: thing and I've learned because of The Bachelor, Like I 711 00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,880 Speaker 1: was able to take kind of the pain of what 712 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 1: I went through and turn it into power in a 713 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: really authentic way and not a phony look at me, 714 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,799 Speaker 1: I'm sexy way. Does that make sense? Like a lot 715 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,840 Speaker 1: of that transformation came from being on the show totally, totally. 716 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: When you watch moments back, like the time you got 717 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: Brad in the room, said you have some big decisions 718 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: to make. No talking, no talking, no talking, we got 719 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,200 Speaker 1: to send some girls home. Now, what do you feel? 720 00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of amazing. At the same time, well, 721 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: what people didn't see was that they had the whole 722 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,319 Speaker 1: They had me walk into the room. And when I 723 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:27,799 Speaker 1: went and talked to them and told him I wanted 724 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,399 Speaker 1: to have this conversation, there were two chairs there. When 725 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,520 Speaker 1: I walked in, both of the chairs were gone and 726 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,879 Speaker 1: there was just a bed, and I was like no, no, no, 727 00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: no no. So I turned around and left, and I'm 728 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,320 Speaker 1: like I'm not doing that, you know. So they're like, okay, okay, 729 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 1: we we set it back up with chairs. And I 730 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: walk in there just one chair and he's sitting in 731 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god. I was drunk enough 732 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,879 Speaker 1: to be like our listen, Like I took a lot 733 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: of like yeah, producing and like gearing me up and 734 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,640 Speaker 1: pouring the alcohol and I'm just a ham. I don't know. 735 00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,439 Speaker 1: It's cringe. It's all very cringe. E it's so funny. Um. 736 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040 Speaker 1: I also need to talk to you about the fact 737 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: that you were one of the women that I love 738 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: the first night because you didn't think that Brad should 739 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,160 Speaker 1: be the most hated man in America. I was wondering 740 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 1: why so many people were giving him ship, because make 741 00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: sure the other two women that he left at you 742 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,720 Speaker 1: know the quote Altar the season before, we're wonderful women. 743 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,439 Speaker 1: But if he wasn't feeling that strongly towards him, why 744 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 1: would we have wanted him to pick somebody temporarily? Yeah. Now, 745 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: I love when people do the hard thing, the right thing, 746 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,480 Speaker 1: even when it's hard, you know. And that is such 747 00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,319 Speaker 1: a sign of character for me that he did the 748 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,840 Speaker 1: right thing even when it was hard, and so I 749 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,840 Speaker 1: found that to be incredibly sexy and something to applaud. 750 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: Love it, Love it. My last question for you has 751 00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:58,640 Speaker 1: to do with our dear friend Claire Crawley. Oh so 752 00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:00,680 Speaker 1: so amazing. I really would I think of you guys, 753 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 1: I think of you together. Maybe it's because the time 754 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:04,839 Speaker 1: you were on the show. Maybe it's because of your 755 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 1: friendship but you guys both just like alude strong sexy 756 00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,560 Speaker 1: women who like don't deal with any crap. But I 757 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: need to know about how you feel about the age 758 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,640 Speaker 1: range of the guys that we saw were announced last week. 759 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: I think it's perfect. I think it's a great spectrum 760 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: of men. I think Claire really truly does normally date 761 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:30,000 Speaker 1: younger guys. Right, I'm actually on board with they added 762 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: more men, they added some older men. I think it's 763 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,560 Speaker 1: gonna I think it's I think we're gonna be good. 764 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: Was there anyone amongst those those those guys that you 765 00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,359 Speaker 1: looked at and said that could be one that could 766 00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: be him? I don't remember anyone's names. I'd have to 767 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: pull it up and look again. Okay, but there are 768 00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean there's a few that are like yes, and 769 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:52,279 Speaker 1: there's a few that are just like, that's a note. 770 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna be just like, that's just gonna have to 771 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,160 Speaker 1: be a note. And I don't remember any names. Well, 772 00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,960 Speaker 1: if we had more time with you, I would deferent 773 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: only be going through the list and having some good 774 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,239 Speaker 1: girl talk. But right now we will. Um. We need 775 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: to get Ashley Spivey on the phone. Michelle. It's so 776 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 1: wonderful to catch up with you, and thank you for 777 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: all your wisdom. You're wonderful. I love you. I appreciate 778 00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:16,440 Speaker 1: it very much. Tell Spivey Hi, Okay, love you bye, 779 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: love you bye. Alright, guys, we are back with Ashley Spivy. 780 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,440 Speaker 1: Hello Ashley, Hi, Ashley, did you get to see this 781 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: episode Brad's Double Header? I haven't. Okay, so I'm gonna 782 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:44,560 Speaker 1: be honest, You're not really in it. I did not 783 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,879 Speaker 1: think I was going to be um. Every time someone 784 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: would tell me it was coming on, I was just like, 785 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I made it. So I think like eleventh Place, 786 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting to be on a ton um. Besides, 787 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: like maybe first impression Rose, maybe like the two on one, 788 00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:08,120 Speaker 1: I got the first impression Rose. Yeah, and they didn't 789 00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: show what I was wondering. Um when it was very 790 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 1: they were talking. There was the first night you know 791 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,640 Speaker 1: that Chantel slaps him. Um. He's talking to Emily and Michelle. 792 00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking who got the first impression Roles? Was it Emily? 793 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: Was it Chantel? It must have been Chantel, It was you? 794 00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: It was me and you only stuck around to the 795 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: eleventh Place. What do you think happened there. I think 796 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:39,640 Speaker 1: that I started off strong, and then the more I 797 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,520 Speaker 1: hung out with Brad, the more it was obvious the 798 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:48,560 Speaker 1: producers that he just was really not my type. Um 799 00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,960 Speaker 1: going into it, I thought it was going to be 800 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,919 Speaker 1: Chris Lambdon, who was a little more kind of like 801 00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: college frat guy, party boy, and that Brad was like 802 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:08,400 Speaker 1: my dad. Brad does have a very steady energy about him. Yes, 803 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: at the time, you're into frad boys, though unfortunately, I 804 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,600 Speaker 1: mean luckily I got out of that phase. But at 805 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,319 Speaker 1: the time, not that I wasn't ready to settle down. 806 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:23,759 Speaker 1: I was definitely looking for like a great love in 807 00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: my life. I just don't know if Brad was that 808 00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,719 Speaker 1: for me, and I think him and I just would 809 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: not have connected on that level at all. He would 810 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,879 Speaker 1: have been a little boring for me. Gotcha, got youa yeah. 811 00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,359 Speaker 1: But so, even though you're not a huge name that 812 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: we connect back to Brad season, we you are still 813 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,880 Speaker 1: a huge name in the franchise when it comes to 814 00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: those hardcore fans, like when I think of Ashley's Boby, 815 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:51,400 Speaker 1: I think that you are an advocate for those and 816 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,560 Speaker 1: things that we don't normally see represented enough on the show. 817 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,640 Speaker 1: You've developed a great relationship with Reality Steve and you 818 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,640 Speaker 1: do podcasts with him a lot. I want to talk 819 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,880 Speaker 1: about how you guys formed that bond. Um. So, I 820 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: think it kind of started even just being an advocate 821 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:12,439 Speaker 1: for people on the show after my season, UM, when 822 00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 1: Ashley Rosenbaum, who was my best friend in the house, 823 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,720 Speaker 1: I started my own blog, UM called say No to Cosmo, 824 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,759 Speaker 1: where I would do recaps of the shows or the episodes, 825 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,120 Speaker 1: and I would kind of like peel back the curtain 826 00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,480 Speaker 1: a little bit, and I would do um interviews with 827 00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: contestants where if they weren't given a lot of screen time, 828 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,560 Speaker 1: you would kind of get to know them better and 829 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,720 Speaker 1: like the causes that were important to them and things 830 00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,080 Speaker 1: like that, and I would do them kind of in 831 00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:44,319 Speaker 1: meme form that they were funny but also like they 832 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,839 Speaker 1: had some substance to them, I guess. Um. And then 833 00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,200 Speaker 1: ABC actually hired me because back in the days, they 834 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,239 Speaker 1: would feature people's or contestants recaps on their website. I 835 00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 1: don't know if you remember that vaguely, yeah, Um. And 836 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,480 Speaker 1: then this is probably where like my issues with production started. 837 00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,040 Speaker 1: But I found out that they were paying me way 838 00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:12,600 Speaker 1: less than a male counter part. It was Michael Sagliano 839 00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,960 Speaker 1: and I I mean Michael Saglano told told me this 840 00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 1: is like how I know this? Um, But so I 841 00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,279 Speaker 1: stopped doing it. I just put I kept him on 842 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: my website and was just like, all right, screw you, ABC, 843 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:29,399 Speaker 1: And UM, yeah. So I think that's when I kind 844 00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: of like I love the show. Don't get me wrong. Um, 845 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,160 Speaker 1: they offered me a great opportunity. I wouldn't have this 846 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: platform if it wasn't for them. I got a great 847 00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,440 Speaker 1: edit on the show. I'm still friends with producers, UM, 848 00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,840 Speaker 1: but I think there are ways that they can do better. 849 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:52,320 Speaker 1: And so I met Reality Steve at a charity event 850 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: and he was really good friends with Michelle Money at 851 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: that time. That's how I kind of started talking to him, 852 00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: and I really he's not as horrible kind of as 853 00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:06,719 Speaker 1: everyone thinks whatever you get off the show, um, And 854 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,879 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, I'd like to think that 855 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,000 Speaker 1: maybe I've kind of helped him be better in some 856 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: of his recaps of the show and the way that 857 00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 1: he um chooses to cover people and things like that. So, 858 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,480 Speaker 1: I mean, this is something he'll even say. UM. I 859 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,360 Speaker 1: think sometimes he would be a little misogynistic and his 860 00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,919 Speaker 1: recaps um or just a little too overly harsh and 861 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: um snarky. And I think sometimes he would get into 862 00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,080 Speaker 1: areas of people's lives that he didn't necessarily have to 863 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:51,719 Speaker 1: record on. So now I think he sees contestants more 864 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:57,680 Speaker 1: as humans rather than dollar signs for his sight. So um, 865 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,760 Speaker 1: But the podcast I do with him, it's mainly relationship 866 00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:07,080 Speaker 1: advice or just general advice where people just feel really 867 00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,440 Speaker 1: stuck in a situation, and then he'll give his opinion, 868 00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 1: I'll give my opinion. We don't always agree, but a 869 00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:16,560 Speaker 1: lot of times we play off each other well. So 870 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,760 Speaker 1: I think our friendship and just doing that podcast together 871 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:26,279 Speaker 1: has changed him, Um, for the for the good. I 872 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:30,759 Speaker 1: don't know you recently did a podcast with him, I 873 00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:34,680 Speaker 1: think this week about Claire's eliminated men. I'm a little 874 00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,960 Speaker 1: confused about this, but I want you to educate me 875 00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: on it because from what I gather, the forty two 876 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:44,400 Speaker 1: men that were released last week, not all of them 877 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:48,400 Speaker 1: are going to hit the screen. No. Um, I'm not 878 00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: even sure in terms of how many were eliminated. Um, 879 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,680 Speaker 1: it looks like there were about fifty fifty older guys 880 00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:02,240 Speaker 1: and fifty of the younger guys eyes Um, that actually 881 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: got eliminated, not by Claire herself or by yeah. Um. 882 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: There was one person who was let go because he 883 00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 1: tested positive for COVID. So just one of those guys 884 00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:22,439 Speaker 1: was a positive test. Interesting, okay, but they're saying that 885 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,240 Speaker 1: he was not put back on that plane with COVID, 886 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:31,440 Speaker 1: so a lot of people were freaking out. No exactly, 887 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,760 Speaker 1: that's I mean the way the guy his name is Alex, 888 00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: the way he um kind of portrayed it was he's 889 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,360 Speaker 1: in a limo error a car and he says COVID 890 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,920 Speaker 1: to Alex zero, and then you see him next on 891 00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 1: a plane and he has his mass down, and I 892 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,680 Speaker 1: mean I automatically was just like, what are you doing? 893 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,480 Speaker 1: Don't so good? Okay, al right, so interesting stuff. We 894 00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,080 Speaker 1: probably won't be seeing all forty two guys. Bet and 895 00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,640 Speaker 1: I were very overwhelmed. Were like, how in the world 896 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: do you date forty two people? Keep track of their names, 897 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:09,239 Speaker 1: decide who you like, so it'll be more of a 898 00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,640 Speaker 1: normal size cast, I'm assuming, yes, I and I thought 899 00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,640 Speaker 1: Brad had one of the biggest opening night cast. How 900 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: much was that? I think he had thirty We had 901 00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,879 Speaker 1: thirty two on Chris season. But I think it meant 902 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,319 Speaker 1: that he eliminated more than usual a night one because 903 00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:28,319 Speaker 1: I think he took it down to twenty two. So no, 904 00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:34,400 Speaker 1: maybe not. Yeah, alright, So you also, UM, you you 905 00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,080 Speaker 1: have been such a commentator on the show, which is 906 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,640 Speaker 1: why I think you've stayed relevant. Um, You've been somebody 907 00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,759 Speaker 1: who's just been like an outspoken advocate for how the 908 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,600 Speaker 1: show can evolve. UM, whether it's racial, more racially inclusive, 909 00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: or more inclusive about having queer people on the show. 910 00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,799 Speaker 1: How do you want to see the franchise look in 911 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:58,360 Speaker 1: five years and how do you think it will actually look? UM. 912 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,160 Speaker 1: So I actually just read this really great book UM 913 00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,719 Speaker 1: called One to Watch. I don't know if you've heard 914 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,440 Speaker 1: about it, but it's by UM an author named Kate 915 00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:14,440 Speaker 1: Stam in London, and she imagines this bachelorette who is 916 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:19,920 Speaker 1: a plus size blogger and they pick her as a 917 00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 1: bachelorette because they really do want to move in a 918 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:27,520 Speaker 1: different direction. And then she has a very diverse cast 919 00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:31,560 Speaker 1: of men. It even includes someone who UM is kind 920 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:36,720 Speaker 1: of considered a sexual UM. I think what I would 921 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 1: like to say, I would like to see more size 922 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,840 Speaker 1: inclusion in terms of the show, I think there's just 923 00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,799 Speaker 1: a lot of thin women and fit men, and I 924 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:52,480 Speaker 1: think it should look more like America. UM. And I 925 00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:56,160 Speaker 1: I know that there's been a huge push for production 926 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,960 Speaker 1: to really take into consideration what the Bachelor diversity campaign 927 00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:05,319 Speaker 1: has been pushing for. UM. I thought that with Claire's men, 928 00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:08,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll have to check even with the men 929 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,720 Speaker 1: that they did eliminate, but it looked like some good 930 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:17,040 Speaker 1: stats in terms of diversity. And I love that they 931 00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,880 Speaker 1: picked Matt James for The Bachelor. I just hope that 932 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,040 Speaker 1: the women they cast aren't just skinny white women. I 933 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:26,600 Speaker 1: would I would like for there to be diversity and 934 00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:30,520 Speaker 1: size inclusion there as well. UM. And one day I 935 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,000 Speaker 1: would love to have a gay Bachelor, gay Bachelor like I. 936 00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: I just think it's time to evolve. UM. We've had 937 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 1: how many seasons of mainly white characters and casts on 938 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:46,879 Speaker 1: the show, and it would just be nice to have 939 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:51,279 Speaker 1: something different totally. On a more personal note, you and 940 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:55,760 Speaker 1: your husband are your well, you are pregnant. You guys 941 00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: are having a baby. You're having a boy. Congratulated shins. 942 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,680 Speaker 1: What do you do? I'm do February first, Okay, so 943 00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,720 Speaker 1: are you you're just going as a second trimester. Yes, okay, 944 00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,879 Speaker 1: Well how was that first one on you? Um? So 945 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,440 Speaker 1: I actually did not know I was pregnant for the 946 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:22,359 Speaker 1: first two months, so easy. Yeah. So kind of what 947 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,200 Speaker 1: had happened was, Um, we've been trying for a year 948 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: to get pregnant after I had a miscarriage last year. 949 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: I remember we talked about that and um, we had 950 00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,560 Speaker 1: kind of just given up. My I U I cycle 951 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:42,439 Speaker 1: was canceled because of COVID and things were pretty bad 952 00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:44,879 Speaker 1: here in New York. So my husband and I were 953 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,479 Speaker 1: just like, this is not the time to try. Let's 954 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: just take it off the table. Um, let's maybe go 955 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:55,040 Speaker 1: in for an IVF appointment. So we had scheduled an 956 00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 1: IVF appointment on a Thursday. My sister came to see 957 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,520 Speaker 1: me on a Tuesday and I was just telling her 958 00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,279 Speaker 1: how I had felt kind of depressed. I couldn't even 959 00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,880 Speaker 1: enjoy a cup of coffee in the morning, and She's like, 960 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: have you taken a pregnancy test? So, sure enough, I 961 00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,640 Speaker 1: take a pregnancy test that Wednesday, find out I'm pregnant 962 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: and I This all happened one day before we were 963 00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 1: supposed to go in from my IVF. Oh my goodness, 964 00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,840 Speaker 1: that's so excellent. That's amazing. I'm so happy for you. 965 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:36,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. I mean, it is a crazy story. Is amazing. 966 00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,080 Speaker 1: Isn't it just crazy the way that they say sometimes 967 00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,320 Speaker 1: you just have to take a little relaxation, and it 968 00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:50,040 Speaker 1: happens when you're not really trying, when you just relax. Um. 969 00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't say I was relaxed, okay, taking 970 00:57:54,920 --> 00:58:02,880 Speaker 1: a pause. I wasn't even thinking about That's what I'm mean. Okay. So, 971 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,720 Speaker 1: and it's funny because now when I look back all 972 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,960 Speaker 1: all the symptoms, I mean, I'm an adult, and I 973 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,360 Speaker 1: couldn't even figure out that I was pregnant. Like it's 974 00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,600 Speaker 1: just completely like whenever my head, I was just thinking 975 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:19,640 Speaker 1: about everything else that was going wrong. Girl. I did 976 00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,600 Speaker 1: another podcast while my other podcast, I Don't Get It, 977 00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: and we talked to you four women who didn't know 978 00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:30,800 Speaker 1: they are pregnant until they were delivering. So I understand 979 00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 1: how you can go two months nine months up still 980 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 1: a littit more of a challenging thought. All right, Well, 981 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,640 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. We hope that 982 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:46,440 Speaker 1: you enjoy watching your the episode tonight. Even though you 983 00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,240 Speaker 1: may not be a huge part of it. Where can 984 00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: people check you out? Um? Online Twitter, You're very active there, 985 00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:57,960 Speaker 1: tell us your deeds. So on Instagram and Twitter, it's 986 00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: just at Ashley Spivey. Um. I also have a book 987 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:06,640 Speaker 1: club on Instagram and Facebook. Um, and that's just Spivey's 988 00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: book Club. They're pretty easy to find. That's pretty much 989 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:26,880 Speaker 1: everywhere you'll find me, Thanks Ashley. Moving away from Brad season, 990 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:31,760 Speaker 1: our next guest is Lanise Adams, and you guys may 991 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: remember watching her a couple of weeks ago when they 992 00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: re aired Alex Michelle's first season of the Bachelor. She 993 00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 1: was the first kiss of all Bachelor history. Hay, Lenise, Hi, 994 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:51,600 Speaker 1: athletes are you? I'm good? How are you good? Good? Lenise? 995 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:55,120 Speaker 1: When you were experiencing that kiss, were you like this 996 00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 1: is about to make history. I did not think that 997 01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:04,560 Speaker 1: way at all. Like it wasn't until the show aired 998 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 1: where I was like, oh my god, because people were like, 999 01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:12,920 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she kissed him. It's like people kind 1000 01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:15,160 Speaker 1: of I don't know. People didn't know how to feel 1001 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:18,920 Speaker 1: about it, Like they were actually like not happy that 1002 01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I so called it kissed on the first date. So 1003 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, some bad, some good, I 1004 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,040 Speaker 1: liked the kiss, but I got a lot of crap 1005 01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,800 Speaker 1: for it. How funny is it that you got crap 1006 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:35,280 Speaker 1: for kissing on the first date and now people kissed 1007 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:40,160 Speaker 1: during the first conversation on the show? I know, I mean, 1008 01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,080 Speaker 1: you know what, I think people were really just in 1009 01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,720 Speaker 1: their bag, like too much, Like so what so I 1010 01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:51,280 Speaker 1: kissed a guy we were on like a romantic gondola thing, 1011 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:55,640 Speaker 1: Like why why did me crap about that? You know, 1012 01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:00,640 Speaker 1: you got a lot of You've got a lot of 1013 01:01:00,680 --> 01:01:04,120 Speaker 1: backlash and this is the saddest, most horrible thing for 1014 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,560 Speaker 1: being a black woman dating a white man and kissing 1015 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: him on TV. And this is back in two thousand two. 1016 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:13,400 Speaker 1: This effect, this is before the you know, this is 1017 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,400 Speaker 1: before social media. Yeah, and it was. It was harsh 1018 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,880 Speaker 1: for you. So can you tell us how it affected 1019 01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:25,400 Speaker 1: just your your whole being because I think I think 1020 01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:28,120 Speaker 1: i'm reading this that you like really fell into a 1021 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,760 Speaker 1: depression from it. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean it's like 1022 01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: it's been quite some time now, so thankfully, you know, 1023 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:38,960 Speaker 1: I just like I moved so far past it that 1024 01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,920 Speaker 1: it feels like a distant memory. But as I'm talking 1025 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,560 Speaker 1: about it and sharing my story, because most people didn't know. 1026 01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:49,240 Speaker 1: The only people who really knew were my family because 1027 01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880 Speaker 1: they had to take care of me. But yeah, I 1028 01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:58,080 Speaker 1: went into a really deep depression. Um. It was like 1029 01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:03,080 Speaker 1: it was sort of the perfect form of UM dealing with, 1030 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: you know, instant fame that I wasn't expecting because I 1031 01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: think it was like we had twenty million people watching 1032 01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:14,600 Speaker 1: or something, so you know, but but we didn't expect it. 1033 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,160 Speaker 1: So it was that mixed along with getting crap about 1034 01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 1: kissing on the first date and then finding my picture 1035 01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 1: on a white supremacist web site with me kissing alex 1036 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:34,320 Speaker 1: Um talking about how that was just terrible, and then 1037 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,360 Speaker 1: reading because even though social media wasn't around, we did 1038 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 1: have blog blogs, and the girls and I would be 1039 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:44,480 Speaker 1: on the blogs just to see what was going on, 1040 01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:49,320 Speaker 1: and most stuff was positive, but the negative stuff really 1041 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:54,040 Speaker 1: got to me and I just like I started like 1042 01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,440 Speaker 1: having anxiety and I didn't want to leave my house 1043 01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:00,560 Speaker 1: and um, and then I kind of it into a 1044 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:04,840 Speaker 1: depression because I just no longer like I thought I 1045 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: knew who I was, I thought I knew what life 1046 01:03:07,320 --> 01:03:10,760 Speaker 1: was about. I thought I had everything figured out because 1047 01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:16,680 Speaker 1: being from l A, we don't experience what other black 1048 01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:19,240 Speaker 1: people have had to experience outside. So I was just 1049 01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:23,200 Speaker 1: so naive and yeah, I went through a deep depression. Okay, 1050 01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,160 Speaker 1: you talk about l A where you grew up, being 1051 01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:28,480 Speaker 1: a melting pot, a mixing bowl, and you're just saying 1052 01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 1: that you've never experienced racism like that until you you 1053 01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,760 Speaker 1: were on The Bachelor on more of a national platform. 1054 01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,360 Speaker 1: How do you How do you feel like the show 1055 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,720 Speaker 1: has The show is evolved, but also the audience has 1056 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,440 Speaker 1: as they include more people of color into the cast 1057 01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:55,120 Speaker 1: and now we have our first black lead, Matt Jane. Yeah. Well, 1058 01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:57,760 Speaker 1: you know what, I never thought that the show was 1059 01:03:57,840 --> 01:04:03,200 Speaker 1: the problem. Like, I actually adore the producers at The Bachelor, 1060 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,800 Speaker 1: and I had a great time and they've always sort 1061 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:08,720 Speaker 1: of taken care of me. Like, I never thought that 1062 01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the show was the issue. I think that there's just 1063 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:20,000 Speaker 1: some people, um that just had had come to accept 1064 01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,240 Speaker 1: interracial dating. I'm glad that society has the the ship. 1065 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,880 Speaker 1: It's there's been a big ship, and I'm so happy 1066 01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,160 Speaker 1: about that. Um. I do think that that The Bachelor 1067 01:04:32,200 --> 01:04:35,960 Speaker 1: plays a great role in being able to show um 1068 01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 1: interracial dating across America and the world, because I really 1069 01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,000 Speaker 1: think that, you know, the more we all sort of 1070 01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:48,240 Speaker 1: love each other, the better we can enjoy the world. 1071 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:51,480 Speaker 1: The world's like such a beautiful place, Like, let's not 1072 01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:57,480 Speaker 1: spend our time hating over silly stuff. You know, completely 1073 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,520 Speaker 1: completely agree. I remember when you were on the show 1074 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:04,760 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago doing the interview with Chris Harrison. 1075 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,120 Speaker 1: He didn't ask you the state of your personal life. Now, 1076 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,840 Speaker 1: how are you doing what almost twenty years after? Well, 1077 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,800 Speaker 1: you know how the interview was much longer than what 1078 01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:23,520 Speaker 1: they show. Um, But but yeah, so what am I 1079 01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: doing now now? I'm I'm so happy to be back 1080 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,880 Speaker 1: acting like That's what I was doing before The Bachelor, 1081 01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:34,720 Speaker 1: but I ended up taking a long break just because 1082 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,560 Speaker 1: you can't really um do acting if you don't have 1083 01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,560 Speaker 1: your stuff together. So um, now I'm back acting. Like. 1084 01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:48,120 Speaker 1: I hope that your fans and Bachelor Nations checks out 1085 01:05:48,160 --> 01:05:52,880 Speaker 1: my latest short film. It's called Heaven's Revenge and so 1086 01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,520 Speaker 1: I play a woman who gets revenge on a guy 1087 01:05:56,680 --> 01:06:00,680 Speaker 1: for breaking her heart. She gets the ultimate revenge and 1088 01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: that was really fun to play. And people can find 1089 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:09,720 Speaker 1: that at www. Dot Heaven's Revenge dot com. Amazing anything 1090 01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:11,440 Speaker 1: else you'd like to add? Where we can? Where can 1091 01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,000 Speaker 1: we find you here more from you because you do 1092 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,120 Speaker 1: talk a lot about self discovery and getting over self medicating. 1093 01:06:18,200 --> 01:06:21,320 Speaker 1: So if that is something that people are dealing with 1094 01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,720 Speaker 1: and wanting to get better at, where can they reach 1095 01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:28,280 Speaker 1: out to you? Yeah, you can find me on I'm 1096 01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:32,120 Speaker 1: on my Instagram mostly at Lenise Adams, and then I'm 1097 01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:35,600 Speaker 1: on Facebook at Linnise Adams and Twitter as well. And 1098 01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:40,640 Speaker 1: we're now actually working to do more to talk about 1099 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,440 Speaker 1: mental health and to talk about like what I do 1100 01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:46,680 Speaker 1: to keep my health uh in check and stuff like that. 1101 01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,520 Speaker 1: So there will be more things coming out where I 1102 01:06:50,560 --> 01:06:54,440 Speaker 1: can help people because, especially with the quarantine, there's people 1103 01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,960 Speaker 1: going through depression right now, so I think it's the 1104 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,240 Speaker 1: perfect time to bring up that subject and try to 1105 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,720 Speaker 1: help get people through. Yeah, it's a great time to 1106 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,560 Speaker 1: work on yourself. Um, with all the extra time, I've 1107 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:11,320 Speaker 1: just been working out and eating better and cooking totally 1108 01:07:11,400 --> 01:07:15,640 Speaker 1: differently than so I feel like, if you're going if 1109 01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,280 Speaker 1: you need something to do with your extra chime, put 1110 01:07:18,320 --> 01:07:22,960 Speaker 1: it into yourself. Yeah. Yeah, and you know what, that's 1111 01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,520 Speaker 1: what I learned that I think the biggest lesson that 1112 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,800 Speaker 1: I learned when I went through that depression stage. I 1113 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,520 Speaker 1: think I was using the pain in a bad way, 1114 01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,200 Speaker 1: just letting the pain take me down. What you do 1115 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,960 Speaker 1: is if you feel pain, you feel something uncomfortable you 1116 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:44,760 Speaker 1: you know, try to figure it out. Try to maybe 1117 01:07:44,840 --> 01:07:48,320 Speaker 1: read a book, be help, go for a walk, do 1118 01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:53,080 Speaker 1: some journaling. Like everyone is going to have negative things 1119 01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,800 Speaker 1: and it's all about how you react to it. So yeah, 1120 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:00,960 Speaker 1: we're in this quarantine work out. Yeah, read some books, 1121 01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, find a passion, like life is all about 1122 01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:10,040 Speaker 1: turning the negatives into a positive. Lenise, you are a 1123 01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,320 Speaker 1: light and we are very thankful that you came on 1124 01:08:13,400 --> 01:08:17,160 Speaker 1: the podcast today. Thanks for having me and Ashley. So 1125 01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:19,439 Speaker 1: I was doing a little bit of reading up on 1126 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:23,080 Speaker 1: you before I had this interview, and I just want 1127 01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,840 Speaker 1: you to know that your wedding day, honest, the eleventh 1128 01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:33,880 Speaker 1: is my birthday. Good day, well, happy upcoming birthday and 1129 01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:39,479 Speaker 1: happy upcoming anniversary. Thank you. Is a great day. It's 1130 01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 1: a great day. It's the best day by Lenise, by Ashley. 1131 01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:49,439 Speaker 1: Well that's it. Thank you guys so much for listening 1132 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,120 Speaker 1: to me for the last hour and some. I really 1133 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,000 Speaker 1: appreciate it. Like I don't know how you guys listen 1134 01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,800 Speaker 1: to my voice, um, but you do, and it means 1135 01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,679 Speaker 1: a ton to me, And I guess I'll sign off 1136 01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:07,240 Speaker 1: now by saying I've been Ashley By followed the Bennon 1137 01:09:07,320 --> 01:09:10,400 Speaker 1: Ashley I Almost Famous podcast on I Heart Radio or 1138 01:09:10,439 --> 01:12:23,400 Speaker 1: subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. M lsstssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss