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Speaker 1: Caf. I am sixty forty. You're listening to the John

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Speaker 1: and Ken Show on demand on the iHeartRadio app. WHOA,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching the video. The French are back in the

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Speaker 1: streets today. You're testing the government but depension reforms by

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Speaker 1: the thousands and thousands, and they're crazy violent because they're

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Speaker 1: they're being told they got to work till sixty four

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Speaker 1: dark clothing with little black caps and some of them

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Speaker 1: wearing the balaclava over their face. Are they? Who are

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Speaker 1: these people though? Is this real? Or is this some

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Speaker 1: you know, French Antifa group? Because if you're in your

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Speaker 1: twenties or thirties, you really give a crap whether you've

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Speaker 1: got to work to sixty two or sixty four. You

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Speaker 1: can't even conceive of that age. Yeah, I have no idea.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't remember when I was thirty having

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Speaker 1: any having any thought of what that would be like,

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Speaker 1: or caring what year you're gonna retire. I don't. I don't.

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Speaker 1: There's something phony about all this time in ages sixty

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Speaker 1: six and they may be moving towards that. Well, we

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Speaker 1: raised it to sixty seven and and I don't remember

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Speaker 1: hardly anything about it. Well, well, in this country it's

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Speaker 1: quite different. I mean, these are probably more government to

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Speaker 1: democrat or but their pensions that are backed by the government.

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Speaker 1: Ours is just social security and uh right, later, later

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Speaker 1: you take your social security, the more money you get,

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Speaker 1: so you can retire whatever you want, basically right. But

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Speaker 1: till sixty seven or you have a smaller check. Wow,

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Speaker 1: I think it's later than that. Now, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: benefits or its seventy You can work. But the thing

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Speaker 1: it hardly caused a ripple. I don't I don't get this.

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Speaker 1: What's with French guys, young French guys storming and giving

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Speaker 1: all kinds of vandalism over that. Sometime this hour we're

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Speaker 1: expecting the judge in the case of the death of

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Speaker 1: little ten year old Anthony Ovelos. The Lancaster boy died

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Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen at the hands of his mother and

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Speaker 1: her living boyfriend, and the judge. There was an announcement

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Speaker 1: essay that verdict has been reached. It is a non

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Speaker 1: jury trial, so the judge is the one that is

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Speaker 1: read the verdict and that's expected to happen this hour.

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Speaker 1: Heather Baron and her boyfriend Kareem Leiva should certainly and

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Speaker 1: I think it's all We can expect life in prison

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Speaker 1: without parole. But I'm sure they're going to be found guilty,

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Speaker 1: but we'll find out. And bringing that story right now

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Speaker 1: that we begin the show with good news. Finally, in

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Speaker 1: the case of the La County District Attorney George Gascone,

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Speaker 1: there are a number of Deputy das who have sued

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Speaker 1: Gascone for retaliation because they said that your policies in

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Speaker 1: some cases are not even legal. They violate things like

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Speaker 1: Marcy's Law, which was written to help victims of crimes.

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Speaker 1: And the decision yesterday was a million and a half

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Speaker 1: who suited Gascone, claiming she was transferred from supervising the

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Speaker 1: DA's juvenile division and effectively demoted for speaking out against

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Speaker 1: his policies in this case, in particular those concerning minors

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Speaker 1: accused of crimes. They're seventeen lawsuits against Gascone. There's many

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Speaker 1: other deputy das that are lined up, had their case

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Speaker 1: we just have him pushed out of office rather than

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Speaker 1: give taxpayer money, which is what this is. We're going

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Speaker 1: to talk out with John Lewin. He was working in

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Speaker 1: the DA's Major Crimes Division before. We're being transferred to

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Speaker 1: a lower level position for his public criticism of Gascone.

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Speaker 1: And let's get John got his own lawsuits, got his

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Speaker 1: Did you follow away? First of all, guys, do I

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Speaker 1: we're both here. I got both of you. So, first

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Speaker 1: And it's been a disaster not just because the man

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Speaker 1: Am not going to allow myself to participate in breaking

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Speaker 1: And Sean said, I'm not going to follow these illegal policies.

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Speaker 1: She made it clear to George Gascone is what's called

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Speaker 1: a whistleblower, and he retaliated against her by transferring her,

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Speaker 1: by besmirching her reputation, and the defense attorneys were very aggressive.

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Speaker 1: it is, but that law firm defended George Gascone, and

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Speaker 1: the jury decided yesterday that in fact, George Gascone, the

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Speaker 1: in the office. He testified, they didn't believe him either.

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Speaker 1: So it's a great day for not just DA's in

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Speaker 1: Gas Gone is facing about a dozen of these lawsuits,

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Speaker 1: they're all similar. Is he not likely to lose all

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Speaker 1: and the question is what is their harm going to be?

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Speaker 1: Barger is going to say boo about this. It's all cool,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but the jury said he broke the law

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Speaker 1: and disciplining Sean Randolph and likely the other twelve. It's

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Speaker 1: He is dead wrong on policies. Policies are killing and

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Speaker 1: And now the jury is spoken up and said, hey, listen,

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Speaker 1: force these individual prosecutors to participate in his misconduct. All right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna continue with John Lewin, a deputydah in this

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Speaker 1: We continue with John Lewin. John is a deputy district

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Speaker 1: that's all. That's a big warning, should be a big

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Speaker 1: We're trying to warn the public and Gascone of all

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Speaker 1: the illegal acts that he's committing. Let's continue with with John,

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Speaker 1: Are you there, I'm There's what's the status of your lawsuit? Like,

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Speaker 1: it in the system. So my lawsuit was filed a

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Speaker 1: I did everything that I could do to avoid the litigation.

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Speaker 1: I asked for reconsideration. I went through and attempted to

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Speaker 1: meet with George Gascon with the chief Deputy. It's kind

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Speaker 1: And they've only been two other people that have ever

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Speaker 1: I think that's across from Brownsville in Brownsville, Texas, right right, Brownsville,

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Speaker 1: Texas is kind of like in the southern western corner

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Speaker 1: of Texas, and right across the border is nothing but violence.

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Speaker 1: There is no law, there is no one will appeal to.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we're coming up John and Ken kf IM

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Speaker 1: listening to John and Ken on demand from KFI six. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we're standing by for a verdict in the case of

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Speaker 1: little Anthony Avelos. The boy was killed by his mother

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Speaker 1: and his or mother's living boyfriend. This is one of

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Speaker 1: the Lancaster boys that died at the hands of at

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Speaker 1: least one of their parents, and of course involved child

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Speaker 1: Services intervening, not doing a very good job as usual.

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Speaker 1: Little torture that went on for a long time. This

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Speaker 1: kid had I mean they were holding him upside down

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Speaker 1: on his head, making himkneel on rice. They were dropping

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Speaker 1: him all over the place, dropping him on his head

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Speaker 1: over and over again until he died. Now he did die,

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Speaker 1: and we have a trial that was just a judge,

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Speaker 1: there is no jury. That judge announced yesterday that one

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Speaker 1: thirty pm today he would announce his verdicts, and we

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Speaker 1: still don't have any official word on the decision. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it's not going to be guilty, probably of

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Speaker 1: the worst or most of the charges. I trust to

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Speaker 1: judge way more than more on jurors I know. And

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Speaker 1: the pattern has been that these parents are being found

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Speaker 1: guilty by juries. In fact, a couple a few years

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Speaker 1: back did get the death penalty that's not in play here.

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Speaker 1: This would be life in prison without parole. Yeah, because Gascon.

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Speaker 1: If you remember, as soon as he took office, he

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Speaker 1: announced that a sentence of death is never appropriate in

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Speaker 1: any case, not even dropping a young a young boy

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Speaker 1: on his head repeatedly till he dies. Even that's not

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Speaker 1: worthy of the death penalty. Now coming up after two o'clock,

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Speaker 1: it's important that you listen. It's something that has really

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Speaker 1: puzzled us for quite some time now about the Democrats

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Speaker 1: and Sacramento and Governor Dippity Do and for that matter,

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Speaker 1: most of the public officials in southern California. The fact

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Speaker 1: that they don't seem to want to go after criminals

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Speaker 1: and add enhancements for using a gun during a crime.

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Speaker 1: You would think this crowd that is just so over

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Speaker 1: the top for gun control would also hand out extra

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Speaker 1: punishments for using a gun during a crime. But they're

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Speaker 1: against that. Just recently they announced new gun control laws

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Speaker 1: and Sacramento we talked about this, but what about enhancements

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Speaker 1: for the guys that actually commit the crime guns. They

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Speaker 1: want to go after people possessing the guns, but the

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Speaker 1: people who use the guns and actually kill the actually

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Speaker 1: committed crime. They don't want a gun enhancement. They don't

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Speaker 1: because again it's all about not putting people in prison.

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Speaker 1: But it's a strange disconnect that we can't figure out

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Speaker 1: here in the jail. You know what it is. They

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Speaker 1: want to disarm the whole public, and that way they

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody will ever go to prison because no

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Speaker 1: more crimes will be committed. I don't know. Overwhelmingly, they're

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Speaker 1: obsessed with race. All this stuff leads back to race,

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Speaker 1: and they're they're looking at many of the criminals are

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Speaker 1: minorities who end up going to prison. And because they're

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Speaker 1: looking at race and not the action of the presson

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Speaker 1: committing the crime, it means now that they want everybody

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Speaker 1: to be out of jail or never to go to

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Speaker 1: jail to begin with. So this brings us to Assembly

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Speaker 1: Bill three twenty eight. The author is a Republican from

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Speaker 1: the Eland Empire bill as Sally. He will join us

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Speaker 1: after the news at two o'clock because reports are that

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Speaker 1: the Assembly Public Safety Committee is going to kill the bill.

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Speaker 1: And what it would have done is restored mandatory hend

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Speaker 1: to twenty life firearms enhancements in the cases. And going

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Speaker 1: back to what John Lewman said the Deputy d earlier earlier,

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Speaker 1: The real losers in this are the minority victims of

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Speaker 1: these crimes. The vast majority of victims in these gun

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Speaker 1: crimes are minarties, and they're the ones not getting justice,

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Speaker 1: And they're the ones that these Democratic legislators don't care about.

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Speaker 1: They want to protect minority criminals at the expense of

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Speaker 1: minority victims because all they're looking at is skin color

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Speaker 1: and they're not looking at the action that's being committed.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy and sick. So we'll talk about it with

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Speaker 1: Bill after the news at two o'clock. Well, we turn

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Speaker 1: now to the dead chicken desk. Do we have one?

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Speaker 1: We should? Flu has taken an incredible toll on the

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Speaker 1: bird or the chicken population in the United States. Fifty

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Speaker 1: eight million birds and forty seven states have been affected

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Speaker 1: by the latest bird flu outbreak, which began early last year.

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Speaker 1: It is the biggest in the nation's history. It even

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Speaker 1: spilled over into mammals such as mink, foxes, raccoons, and bears.

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Speaker 1: They've actually had to kill fifty eight million chickens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where do you put all the bodies? What have they

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Speaker 1: heard today? They call them broilers. Nobody. Chickens have been

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Speaker 1: like actually consumed eight billion in the US. That's a

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Speaker 1: lot of chicken overall. Timer No, last year, just this year,

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Speaker 1: I think last year, eight billion chickens. Well, you think

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Speaker 1: about all the places that served chicken, and there's three

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Speaker 1: hundred million Americans, not all of them which eat chicken,

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Speaker 1: but chickens one of the most. Everybody's got a chicken sandwich. Now,

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Speaker 1: every freaking fast food restaurant introduced like a new chicken sandwich.

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Speaker 1: It became the hottest thing to eat the last couple

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Speaker 1: of years. I don't think I had one. No, you

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Speaker 1: don't eat chickens. Eight billion chickens eating and I didn't

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Speaker 1: have one of them, not even a half a one,

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Speaker 1: neither did I. Well. The update to this story is,

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Speaker 1: and I think we even joked about this a while back,

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Speaker 1: they want to give the chickens vaccines. That's what the

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Speaker 1: US is considering. The Biden administration is considering the possibility

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Speaker 1: of vaccinating poultry. And they have to wear masks. Oh,

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Speaker 1: and they have to separate. Yeah, they got to be

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Speaker 1: at least six feet apart. Well, California already has that law.

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Speaker 1: Don't think that's right. Yeah, that's right. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's six feet the egg laying chicken. No, you

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Speaker 1: have to have your own condo if you're an egg

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Speaker 1: laying chicken in California. I didn't know that. Yeah, two bedroom.

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Speaker 1: And well, this is H five N one is the

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Speaker 1: particular bird flu that we're talking about. And the other

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Speaker 1: concern here, although the risk is considered low, this could

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Speaker 1: jump to people and create the kind of havoc we

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Speaker 1: had with the dope coronavirus for the last three years.

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Speaker 1: Six thousand people being monitored right now for exposure. Was

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Speaker 1: this virus manufactured somewhere to I don't know. It's a

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Speaker 1: good question. I trust nothing anymore. No, So they've been

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Speaker 1: testing potential poultry vaccines, and there are discussions about a

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Speaker 1: large scale bird flu vaccination program for poultry. I didn't

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Speaker 1: hold down a chicken to plunge the needle. I'm not

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Speaker 1: sure it would be a needle. It doesn't say or

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Speaker 1: there could be another method of delivery when it comes

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Speaker 1: to you put it in the feed maybe, or you

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Speaker 1: can do something. But the I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I know it's not in this story, but it's a

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Speaker 1: six billion dollar poultry export industry, and they're the ones

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Speaker 1: fighting this because they believe that this is gonna be

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Speaker 1: a barrier to the exports of the chickens. So not

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Speaker 1: only do we consume a lot of chickens, a lot

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Speaker 1: of chickens are sent out of the country for people

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Speaker 1: to eat. They're fighting the vaccine. They are they think

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Speaker 1: it would have an impact, it would be a barrier

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Speaker 1: to exports. Maybe other countries wouldn't like that. They think

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Speaker 1: have the vaccine in the system. Yeah, possibly a vaccine

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Speaker 1: in the system of the chicken that people are going

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Speaker 1: to consume. Yeah, that's not good. Who knows. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there are some weird side effects from these COVID vaccines. Right,

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Speaker 1: let's just not eat chicken and then we don't have

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Speaker 1: to worry about it. I'm with you. I'm anti eating.

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Speaker 1: Oh I'm a chicken eater. That is my number one meat.

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Speaker 1: You would be by far. What's wrong with chicken? They go,

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Speaker 1: they're an animal. Second, I eat beef. Third, rarely eat beef.

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Speaker 1: What second? Pork? Pork, pork pig? Yeah yeah, you're pro pork. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you like your hot dog and you're oh bacon, yeah, bacon, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, right, But a good slice of I just

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Speaker 1: don't I don't like I don't like to taste of chicken.

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Speaker 1: I just don't like the feeling of it in my mouth,

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Speaker 1: the texture of it. Yeah, I've never heard that. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: Broilers is the industry term for chickens raised for their meat,

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Speaker 1: and that's most of the exported poultry. So that's why

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Speaker 1: there's some problem because apparently I didn't know. There's the

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Speaker 1: National Chicken Council and they oppose vaccination. They represent the

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Speaker 1: broiler industry. The National Chicken Council. Fifty eight million dead chickens. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because we talked about this. What they have to do

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Speaker 1: is wipe them all out because it's too hard to Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well how do they do that? How do they kill

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Speaker 1: them all? We talked about that. They take away their oxygen?

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Speaker 1: Oh right, yeah, and then what do they do with

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Speaker 1: the bodies. Somebody has to go in there and bag them,

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Speaker 1: my big chicken graves or they do they So I

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Speaker 1: have just a big chicken roast. Yeah, that's a big barbecue. Wow.

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Speaker 1: All right. Coming up the next we're going to talk

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Speaker 1: to Assemblymen Bill A. Sally from Corona. He's a Republican

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Speaker 1: and he's got a bill which would bring back gun

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Speaker 1: enhancements for crimes. That's right. If you use a gun

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Speaker 1: during a crime, a brandish discharge, or inflict great bodily

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Speaker 1: injury with the firearm, you could get additional prison time.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the bill's going to die in Sacramento.

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