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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama Queens Season four, episode eighteen, The Runaway found
Speaker 1: finally a positive title air date May sixteen, twenty and seven. James,
Speaker 1: James Lafferty is your ladies and John, we're so excited
Speaker 1: to my Nathan. Um. We were just joking. We always
Speaker 1: joke about how the titles of these episodes have been
Speaker 1: so depressing the last little while. So you brought us
Speaker 1: the sunshine, James, thank you. Yes, you're welcome, my synops.
Speaker 1: Nathan fears for his future as past mistakes come back
Speaker 1: to haunt him and Haley Lucas. Here's a shocking confession
Speaker 1: after making contact with a mysterious witness to Keith's murder.
Speaker 1: Brooke rekindles her friendship with Peyton after crossing paths with Chase.
Speaker 1: That sounds so ominous, but you guys literally did just
Speaker 1: like bump into each other in a parking lot. But
Speaker 1: in the synopsis it makes it sound so dark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was like a literal blip on the radar. Nothing
Speaker 1: important happened there at all. So much important stuff happened
Speaker 1: with Dan and he's not even in the synopsis. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'd love to talk about that's weird. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about the lead there.
Speaker 1: I guess this episode to me felt like somebody sat
Speaker 1: in a room and they wrote down on little strips
Speaker 1: of paper all the things that they needed to get
Speaker 1: through storylines they just needed to tie up and finish,
Speaker 1: and then threw them in a hat and then just
Speaker 1: pulled them out one at a time and pasted it
Speaker 1: to a board, taped them to the paper like a
Speaker 1: ransom note. Oh yeah, exactly. It was so all over
Speaker 1: the place my face. Favorite episodes are when it's two
Speaker 1: totally different TV shows happening in the same episode, Like
Speaker 1: whatever you and James were doing, you two have this
Speaker 1: like loving, beautiful storyline about communication and Peyton was going
Speaker 1: to a prison under circumstances that have never existed in
Speaker 1: our judicial system ever, Like, can you ever any prison
Speaker 1: on the planet, letting a teenage girl just like lock
Speaker 1: down that on a cell block. I was like, why
Speaker 1: are they not on the little visitor windows with the phones?
Speaker 1: This is not allowed? And the guy just shut the
Speaker 1: door and let you go in right, locked her in
Speaker 1: with all the inmates. I can't some serious dramatic effect
Speaker 1: going on there. For sure? Was that at a real
Speaker 1: prison or did they did they build that? Now, we
Speaker 1: went to a real prison one time. Yeah, the prison
Speaker 1: right next to the airport, remember we would land and
Speaker 1: there's the prison right there. Yeah, yeah, welcome to Wilmington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a treatment plant in a prison. Yeah. And then Mwood. No,
Speaker 1: they built that on set, right, I'm sure. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: Mean here's my question though, when we get into this
Speaker 1: discussion of like all these weird storylines that don't match up.
Speaker 1: Did you always read the entire script or did you
Speaker 1: do what Antoine did and just look at your stuff
Speaker 1: like all the is all the girls shit a surprise, dude.
Speaker 1: I will never forget when Antoine told us all that
Speaker 1: he doesn't read the scripts. Just being like that is
Speaker 1: so awesome. For some reason, I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: I was I'm way too much of a scary cat
Speaker 1: to not read the scripts, like, I gotta read it all.
Speaker 1: I gotta know exactly what's going on, just in case,
Speaker 1: like I'm my character is supposed to be aware of
Speaker 1: it or supposed to inform anything. Like I just had
Speaker 1: that drilled into me. So I always read the scripts. Sweet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I never watched the show, That's the thing.
Speaker 1: So by the time I read the script and then
Speaker 1: shot it, I was like, I feel like I already
Speaker 1: know what happened, So why going to watch it? You
Speaker 1: never watched the show? I think I did, like the
Speaker 1: first season or but after the first season, No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I've never liked watching myself that much. And and and again,
Speaker 1: like I just it was so weird. I just, for
Speaker 1: some reason, I just felt like I knew what happened.
Speaker 1: I did know what happened, and so I just wasn't
Speaker 1: that compelled to see how it turned out. I just
Speaker 1: felt like, I know it turned out great. People like it.
Speaker 1: So probably why Antoine did see all the episodes of
Speaker 1: the show, because he never knew what was going to happen. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's like, what's going on this week? He would Yeah,
Speaker 1: he would come to set and be like, man, that
Speaker 1: was crazy. That was crazy. Hey, y'all are good actors.
Speaker 1: You guys should do this for a living. But he
Speaker 1: says that all the time funny. Oh my god, Well
Speaker 1: we've got Whitey right away. Kind of dealing with this
Speaker 1: press conference. Did you believe the idea that this high
Speaker 1: school point shaving would have solicited a huge media presence
Speaker 1: at Tree Hill High School? Um? You know at the time,
Speaker 1: I don't. I was so watching it this time. Yes,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what's going on here? Like, but
Speaker 1: I do. I was so like plugged into basketball at
Speaker 1: the time, Um that I knew that. You know, every
Speaker 1: level of basketball from high school up has its own
Speaker 1: ecosystem of like I'm sure betting, um, but also you
Speaker 1: know rumors and news and you know, high school students
Speaker 1: are being like recruited and so they're getting like scores
Speaker 1: and like this is a five star recruit, this is
Speaker 1: a three star recruit. And then it's big business where
Speaker 1: they go to college. Right, So it's like that sort
Speaker 1: of Um, you know, there's ride ups on great players
Speaker 1: and slam magazine like when when they're you know, juniors
Speaker 1: in high school and so that that kind of and
Speaker 1: so you know at the time, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: this is the story we're telling. We're telling the story
Speaker 1: of a of a kid who's gonna go to you know,
Speaker 1: a national contender, possibly be in the NBA. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there would one media coverage around that. I didn't even
Speaker 1: know Slam Magazine was the thing, James, I just learned something.
Speaker 1: I was just thinking the same thing. Yeah. As soon
Speaker 1: as you said that, I looked across the zoom squares
Speaker 1: and I was like, he is telling a story, and
Speaker 1: the three of us are going though. That's what I love. Though,
Speaker 1: whoever wrote this episode who shall Remain nameless definitely knew
Speaker 1: that part of the story had probably read Slam magazine
Speaker 1: research that part. The prison part not so much. We
Speaker 1: didn't google right right, And I guess it would have.
Speaker 1: It would have helped for some contexts there as well,
Speaker 1: just to like let us know, just to remind people
Speaker 1: who are not in the know, they're like, this is
Speaker 1: a big this is this would be a huge would
Speaker 1: be in is a big deal? Um, Like maybe this
Speaker 1: happened to somebody else, you know, in the past, or
Speaker 1: you know another player you know, this is a perfect
Speaker 1: example or whatever. But but yeah, but but I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I haven't watched as much basketball lately, or
Speaker 1: you know, I don't read Slam magazine anymore, so um,
Speaker 1: like watching it this time, Hey, what the hell happened here?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? But yeah, I think I think
Speaker 1: it tracks. I don't know about having the press conference
Speaker 1: like a common area of the school. That just seems
Speaker 1: like that budget issue i've been a reality issue. It's
Speaker 1: actually really interesting that you say that though that there
Speaker 1: is there is I mean, duh, there's a whole ecosystem
Speaker 1: for this. It's one of the biggest sports in the world.
Speaker 1: But that feels like there would have been such a
Speaker 1: cool opportunity when Nathan went to see Dan to talk
Speaker 1: about his fears and talk about the fact that there
Speaker 1: were investigators around. That would have been such a cool
Speaker 1: opportunity for Dan to tell Nathan a story that would
Speaker 1: have clued in the audience that didn't subscribe to Slam
Speaker 1: magazine about how serious this was. You know, He's like, Nathan,
Speaker 1: let me show you. This issue is Slam magazine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the summer of nineteen ninety two. He pulls out
Speaker 1: a shot box. Yeah, exactly. We do a lot of
Speaker 1: theorizing Dan had his own stuff going on, didn't he
Speaker 1: That was this was a huge episode for Paul. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what a great performance. I think him and Matt Barr
Speaker 1: they like saved this episode of their performances. To me,
Speaker 1: that was beautiful. Well, I just want to know what
Speaker 1: was happening in the ecosystem of our show that not
Speaker 1: only did we have the Matt bar horror storyline, but
Speaker 1: now we have like all these horror storylines converging. Like
Speaker 1: you've got a teenage girl being gas lit by her
Speaker 1: mother and Dan Scott pointing a gun in a store,
Speaker 1: and like, I know, like everything's a horror film except
Speaker 1: for you. It's the same thing. Yeah, except for us.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but it was the same thing over again.
Speaker 1: So like now we're watching a crazy man hold two
Speaker 1: women hostage again. Yeah, like two episodes later. It's really
Speaker 1: interesting because in the beginning, when you go to see him,
Speaker 1: James and you are talking about what's happening, and you know,
Speaker 1: you're a boy who's afraid talking to his dad and
Speaker 1: he I wrote down what he said. He said, stay cool,
Speaker 1: deny everything, pray no one ever uncovers the truth, and
Speaker 1: you know he's talking about himself. He's telling you what
Speaker 1: he's been doing since he shot Keith, and he's starting
Speaker 1: to lose it, Like he looks like he's gonna cry joy.
Speaker 1: Do you remember? You were like, what is going on
Speaker 1: with in Paul's eyes? It's so interesting and it opens
Speaker 1: in this space where you're like, whoa, We're really going
Speaker 1: to get inside what Dan's going through. And then he
Speaker 1: holds these women hostage and makes it all about Karen
Speaker 1: was supposed to be mine, and I'm like, wait a second,
Speaker 1: we're in weird like male possessiveness over women, like their trophies.
Speaker 1: He shot somebody like it just went completely off the rails.
Speaker 1: That's where I feel like they got pulled out of
Speaker 1: a hat and they were just like they'll say this,
Speaker 1: but then he handed them this little weird rag doll.
Speaker 1: At the end, I was so I don't know, Paul
Speaker 1: did such a great job, because that's one of those
Speaker 1: things when you're handed material that you just read and
Speaker 1: you're like, what the hell is this? How am I
Speaker 1: supposed to to make sense out of this? And there's
Speaker 1: really only one way to do it, and that's to
Speaker 1: commit fully and just go all the way in. You know,
Speaker 1: he's just gonna look stupid otherwise, so he really committed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like he also played the nuance really
Speaker 1: well too, you know, like that's where he like goes
Speaker 1: into the house with Abby and her mom is is
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, you're watching it, You're like,
Speaker 1: this is this is stub but terrible. But he did
Speaker 1: such He did such a great job of like walking
Speaker 1: this line of of being dominant to get what he
Speaker 1: wants in that moment, but also being like like afraid,
Speaker 1: you know, and sort of like he was like begging
Speaker 1: and demanding at the same time, which is not an
Speaker 1: easy thing to do, and especially when you're like depicting
Speaker 1: a situation like that where you are so clearly the aggressor. Um.
Speaker 1: I thought he just did a really good job of
Speaker 1: walking the line between like dangerous and desperate. And in
Speaker 1: this episode, yep, it's weird. It's weird to see someone
Speaker 1: with that big of a body, right, and you're literally
Speaker 1: watching Paul do everything he can not to man handle
Speaker 1: those women who are trying to push him out, and
Speaker 1: it's this strange kind of like terminator walk where he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to push them down on the couch, he
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do anything physical with the women. It's
Speaker 1: just like a pheromone that's like making people recoil from him.
Speaker 1: It's scary. He fills up the doorway. He opened the
Speaker 1: door and it's all Dan, completely Wow, He's just holding
Speaker 1: this brown paper bag. It's in the bag, Dan, what's
Speaker 1: in the bag? I've got thoughts. Okay, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 1: Here's what Because I watched this episode separately from you guys,
Speaker 1: and Yeah and James, just so you know, we talk
Speaker 1: about all the things going on behind the scenes as
Speaker 1: well as what was going on camera, and so everyone knows.
Speaker 1: At the end of season four was a particularly weird
Speaker 1: time for me with our boss. Last week, we watched
Speaker 1: the Honey Grove episode and I was like, I was
Speaker 1: hiding in a hotel room with James half the time,
Speaker 1: stealing the walkie talkies from the ad department, just like Hi. Now.
Speaker 1: But in this episode, I can tell that I'm like
Speaker 1: not doing well. I'm super broken out, I'm super stressed,
Speaker 1: I'm not super checked into my performance. And You've got
Speaker 1: two storylines where women are confronting men who have assaulted them,
Speaker 1: saying I'm gonna tell you can't do this to me anymore.
Speaker 1: And the men are pushing back Ian Banks, the bad
Speaker 1: guy named after my boyfriend at the time. They used
Speaker 1: my boyfriend's name. Are you serious, that's right? Yeah. He's like,
Speaker 1: you're a tease. You asked for this, You were tease,
Speaker 1: you asked for this. Abby tells Dan, I'm gonna tell
Speaker 1: and is very quickly put in her place. No, you
Speaker 1: are not right. And they hired Sean Young, who had
Speaker 1: been a very very successful young actress who had the
Speaker 1: world at her feet and who very publicly had her
Speaker 1: part reduced in Wall Street because she had conflict with
Speaker 1: Oliver Stone, who had been replaced in other movies because
Speaker 1: she was outspoken, and who had been dragged through the
Speaker 1: mud publicly for speaking out against her bosses. And to
Speaker 1: Mia felt like a really deliberate casting because this is
Speaker 1: too small of a part for her. There's no reason
Speaker 1: why they shouldn't have cast a local actress except to
Speaker 1: have kind of this example of like, this is what
Speaker 1: happens when you're a pain in the ass, and I
Speaker 1: was a pain in the ass. Yeah, they were firing
Speaker 1: a warning shot. Yeah, yeah, I mean she was. I
Speaker 1: mean it's she was pretty much run out. Was this
Speaker 1: her only episode? I think so? I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know that we see Abby again. Yeah, they leave, Lucas
Speaker 1: goes at the end of the episode in their house
Speaker 1: is empty, but Abby doesn't Abby come back. I feel
Speaker 1: like Alison came back. She was a great actress. Do
Speaker 1: you remember working with Alison in the classroom James? Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I remember was that season three or season two three?
Speaker 1: Season three? Yeah? I remember being struck by how good
Speaker 1: she was, and she was. She was super young, right
Speaker 1: like at that time, wasn't she like she's little, She's
Speaker 1: like yeah, yeah, But I remember being like, hey man,
Speaker 1: she's she's a beast. Like she was really had this crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, emotional reservoir and was just really like locked
Speaker 1: in as well. I just remember he being super focused,
Speaker 1: super locked in, and that's not an easy thing to
Speaker 1: do show up on a set like that as a
Speaker 1: kid and just make mince meat out of those scenes,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean, especially if like there's so
Speaker 1: much which pressure, like that was a huge episode for
Speaker 1: anyone to come in. We talked to Colin a lot
Speaker 1: about coming in for the school shooting episode and just
Speaker 1: having to perform because the weight of it is so
Speaker 1: much more than just like, you know, a typical episode
Speaker 1: of television. You've got to carry the emotional weight of
Speaker 1: a nation of viewers, and so she doesn't get let
Speaker 1: off the ropes. Now she's got to do it this
Speaker 1: many episodes later, What did you guys think about the
Speaker 1: fact that her mom was like gaslighting her and saying,
Speaker 1: your name's not Abby, is it? Oh? No, No, she
Speaker 1: was trying to prove that. She was trying to prove
Speaker 1: to Lucas that Abby's gone crazy, that all she can
Speaker 1: ever do is just shake her head. So she was
Speaker 1: trying to trying to put a chink in the in
Speaker 1: the armor of him thinking that she had confirmed his theory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote down, I said, is the mom coaching her
Speaker 1: to do this to keep her safe because the mayor's
Speaker 1: the murderer? I mean it was like literally in my note,
Speaker 1: and then two pages later, Abbey is pretending. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: that just goes to show the folks at home, we
Speaker 1: literally don't remember what we did. But so strange, so strange. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that they came in and never came back. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's their last both of their last episode. That is well,
Speaker 1: because it really did feel like a jumping off point
Speaker 1: more than anything else. I feel like, right, Yeah, but
Speaker 1: that idea that the mom not that it makes it right.
Speaker 1: By the way, I imagine it would be very traumatizing
Speaker 1: were this real for a teenager at your parents treating
Speaker 1: them that way. But this idea that you're so terrified
Speaker 1: that the you know, the guy in charge of your
Speaker 1: town got away with murder, he murdered his sibling. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you think I cannot let him kill my kid.
Speaker 1: I can't let this come down on my kid, my
Speaker 1: kid who goes to school with this guy's kids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so maybe, I mean, there's obviously the behind the
Speaker 1: scenes stuff which you brought up. Hell, but I feel
Speaker 1: like the way they probably pitched it in the writer's
Speaker 1: room was there's just so much fear and as soon
Speaker 1: as Abby's said it, they're running out of town. M yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Or it's like, yeah, it's her way of her way
Speaker 1: of protecting her, like you're it's best to just not
Speaker 1: touch this at all and stay away from it because
Speaker 1: it's it's too dangerous kind of thing. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It feels like a spicy Lifetime movie like those ripped
Speaker 1: from the headline movies about moms that make their kids
Speaker 1: be sick. What is that Munchausen syndrome? Cha, Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair now, Abby, deal with it. Oh God.
Speaker 1: This whole episode actually was kind of a cheesy, cheesy,
Speaker 1: chevy movie, wasn't it. Like I'm just like the point No,
Speaker 1: but the point shaving that's its own movie, like Basketball
Speaker 1: Star shaves points. What's going to happen? Will his brother
Speaker 1: take the fall? You know? And then you guys with
Speaker 1: your one of the prison thing. Yeah, I mean this
Speaker 1: was this was definitely around the time in the show
Speaker 1: when things started moving at this pace, right, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean there was always things that happened that were
Speaker 1: a little bit out there sometimes, but I feel like
Speaker 1: they started happening more often around around this time. Right,
Speaker 1: we were really water skiing toward that shark. At this point,
Speaker 1: we're moving towards it. We're gonna jomb They had started
Speaker 1: making fun of us on the soup, right, and rather
Speaker 1: than be offended by it, I feel like our bosses
Speaker 1: saw an opportunity to lean into it and say, great,
Speaker 1: any press is good press. Let's really make them talk
Speaker 1: about us, but let's talk about how as actors that
Speaker 1: made us feel like, James, do you remember our show
Speaker 1: being on the Soup and being made fun of I do. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: when when was that? Yes, Psych made fun of us too,
Speaker 1: they did, Sych made fun of us all the time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I it's it's interesting because I always felt like there
Speaker 1: was um the way that our fani there was like
Speaker 1: two worlds like our our show made like an impact
Speaker 1: in two do very different ways with two very different
Speaker 1: groups of people. It's like the industry kind of saw
Speaker 1: our show one way and then fans um saw our
Speaker 1: show another way, like um, we were no, yeah, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like so, it wouldn't ever really like
Speaker 1: a surprise to me that a show like The Soup
Speaker 1: would make fun of us. And when they did make
Speaker 1: fun of us, I thought they kind of nailed it,
Speaker 1: like they were funny. You're like, all right, that's true.
Speaker 1: And I didn't hate being on the Soup. I thought
Speaker 1: it was like it's sort of like a you know,
Speaker 1: a little badge of water in a way. But I
Speaker 1: also always had the I guess I just yeah, I
Speaker 1: got satisfaction out of knowing that it you know, people
Speaker 1: people still people dug it. There were people out there
Speaker 1: who did like it, And we're taking those twists and
Speaker 1: turns with us. Um. And and you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: really sure how we did that, like how we struck
Speaker 1: that we walk that line, um, struck that tone. Um,
Speaker 1: it's it's something original to our show at least, you know.
Speaker 1: And and and I don't know if it's the reason
Speaker 1: that we didn't find a bigger audience or it's the
Speaker 1: reason part of the reason why we just have the
Speaker 1: audience that we do. Like it's it's so hard to know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, what the impact of all that really was.
Speaker 1: But I just try to take it and stride. I
Speaker 1: guess well, And I think to your point that that
Speaker 1: sort of mix that seesaw it is fun to watch
Speaker 1: heightened drama. Yeah, it's fun, it's engaging. We enjoy it.
Speaker 1: It's it's you know, a similar version to your point earlier.
Speaker 1: It's why people like horror movies. But we also had
Speaker 1: so much heart we had that we had those realities
Speaker 1: we had. You know, I wrote down something about how
Speaker 1: in that first scene when the two of you are
Speaker 1: at the river court, Nathan and Hayley on the picnic,
Speaker 1: Oh so cute, Oh my god, and you're like just
Speaker 1: expressing all your fears to your person and it's so
Speaker 1: like it's just so poignant. I made a note about
Speaker 1: the apparent pain on your face. And then when you
Speaker 1: go to the to do your press conference and you
Speaker 1: actively choose not to be damn and you give this
Speaker 1: composed speech, but it's clearly so poignant. You get to
Speaker 1: see growth. And yeah, most kids aren't dealing with point
Speaker 1: shaving because of gambling in a high school. Like the
Speaker 1: container is ridiculous, but what you guys put in it
Speaker 1: is very real. And even the Brook and Peyton in
Speaker 1: this episode, you know, the container of a psychoderic is insane.
Speaker 1: But friends showing up for each other after somebody gets
Speaker 1: assaulted and saying that guy ki shame. It never matters
Speaker 1: what you're wearing. You didn't do anything wrong. You are
Speaker 1: not a tease. That is his problem and we're going
Speaker 1: to fight back. That is something that almost every group
Speaker 1: of female friends I know has had to do at
Speaker 1: one point or another in their lives. And it's real
Speaker 1: and I think those are the things to your point, James, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what I think the fans click into is is
Speaker 1: what was made real inside of a TV. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really good point. I mean, I mean, just
Speaker 1: to run with that a little bit like I I
Speaker 1: watch Alex and I watch Firefly Lane on Netflix. Have
Speaker 1: you guys seen that show? Um? And I remember like
Speaker 1: as as I was watching it, you like, I remember
Speaker 1: thinking like, oh man, this is like this kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of like One Tree Hill in some ways. Um,
Speaker 1: And you know, it feels a little bit soapy, but
Speaker 1: I just I stuck. I stuck with it, and by
Speaker 1: the end of the show, I like, obviously now I
Speaker 1: like love the show and I can't wait for the
Speaker 1: rest of it to come out and stuff. You're so cute.
Speaker 1: But I think I realized like watching the show, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is why this is why soap works is because
Speaker 1: they take you to these like crazy extreme ends sometimes
Speaker 1: where you're like, Okay, what am I doing here? But yeah,
Speaker 1: but they trick you, like they get you. They get
Speaker 1: you to believe it for that second. And when they
Speaker 1: get you to believe it and then something like you're saying,
Speaker 1: so if you like something um like really organic and
Speaker 1: like relatable comes from it, then you're just like it's
Speaker 1: like you've been at it, like like you've just been
Speaker 1: watching a magician do his thing for an hour and
Speaker 1: suddenly you're like Um, this guy's like the coolest person
Speaker 1: in the world, right, Like we're kind of conditioning the
Speaker 1: audience to do what we do when we have to
Speaker 1: have a reaction and there's just a c standard a
Speaker 1: tennis ball in that way, like we're teaching the you know,
Speaker 1: the audience is buying something that is clearly not real,
Speaker 1: but because the emotion behind it and the people that
Speaker 1: are there feel connected to reality, they go there with us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a totally different way of storytelling, but like it
Speaker 1: does work if done right, I guess. Yeah. Do you
Speaker 1: also feel that we were kind of doing tag team
Speaker 1: wrestling because like a group up of us would get
Speaker 1: to do something really earnest and heartfelt while the other
Speaker 1: group had to like get into the ring and do
Speaker 1: the slapstick body slam like crazy. Shit. Are always trading places?
Speaker 1: Were always There's not one single episode where we're all
Speaker 1: just like steady, Like there's giddy up always. Who who
Speaker 1: was your your most mischievous partner? You know, you've got
Speaker 1: good stuff with chat in this episode that I want
Speaker 1: to talk about. Obviously, you enjoy had twenty seven years
Speaker 1: worth of marital strife conquer strife. Yeah, but you also
Speaker 1: had you had Brett Claywell, you had Tyler Hilton, you
Speaker 1: had Robert Buckley. After I was gone like like who
Speaker 1: are the people that when you read the script you
Speaker 1: were like, uh, we're gonna get oh Man, Well definitely,
Speaker 1: you know Tim. I mean I ended up in like
Speaker 1: a girl Scout costume with Tim. But then as the
Speaker 1: show went on, Um, yeah, I mean Chris Keller. Like
Speaker 1: every time Chris Keller came to town, it was like
Speaker 1: you guys, I feel like I feel like almost were
Speaker 1: like praying that our characters would bounce off of him. Well,
Speaker 1: ye long he was going to be there. You know.
Speaker 1: He was so great and such an amazing energy and
Speaker 1: just like like the guy is so just magnetic on screen,
Speaker 1: like no matter no matter what he's doing, I mean
Speaker 1: I can't. He just gets away with his character gets
Speaker 1: away with murder because he's so freaking charming, and I think, um,
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. I loved, you know, because because
Speaker 1: then I could go as low as I wanted. I
Speaker 1: could just be like Baseline. I didn't do anything but
Speaker 1: perfect straight man. That was it was like it was
Speaker 1: the straight It was the Abbott and Costello of it
Speaker 1: all with the with the two of you on camera.
Speaker 1: Always it was the straight man and the funny man,
Speaker 1: but it worked so well because you both leaned in
Speaker 1: so hard to your role. Yeah, it's so fun to
Speaker 1: know that you're in a funny scene but not have
Speaker 1: the pressure of having to be funny. Oh god, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be funny. Because but when the two of you
Speaker 1: did that episode where you were in Nathan's hatchback and
Speaker 1: the tape got stuck and played that ridiculous song over
Speaker 1: and over again, like I need you to know that,
Speaker 1: the three of us watching that episode, we're like, we
Speaker 1: want this to be a movie. Where is this movie?
Speaker 1: Like these two need to have their own ridiculous like
Speaker 1: slapstick adventure that'd lasts of full two hours, Like we
Speaker 1: need it as as audience members, we need it. You
Speaker 1: should just play firefighters or something. Do a firefighter comedy,
Speaker 1: just like dudes being dudes on a ladder. That will
Speaker 1: be fun. Idea. Yeah, love fine, one's afraid of heights
Speaker 1: and one's not. That's the show perfect. But your partner
Speaker 1: in this episode is your brother, right, And I love,
Speaker 1: love love this conflict that you have with Lucas because
Speaker 1: it's so real. You have been giving marching orders by
Speaker 1: your dad just to shut up, right, and you tell
Speaker 1: Lucas don't touch it, don't touch the thing, don't touch it.
Speaker 1: And what does he do. He's got to go be
Speaker 1: a martyr with Wyodia hero. So Lucas well, Haley showed up.
Speaker 1: Haley didn't help much either. She was the one that
Speaker 1: was sort of like needling the which is actually I
Speaker 1: thought so interesting that Haley, the girl who grew up
Speaker 1: with such you know, good good parenting and strong morals
Speaker 1: and values and was like, no, you gotta always do
Speaker 1: the right thing when push comes to chefs. She's the
Speaker 1: one who gets a little wafflely. And Nathan's the one
Speaker 1: who decides the kid who grows up without any of
Speaker 1: that's being set. In fact, the opposite example is set
Speaker 1: for him, and he's the one who has to make
Speaker 1: that decision and does it with flying colors. Um. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting kind of telling, I guess,
Speaker 1: very very human of us. Yeah, I mean it was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting as well. Like Hayley's role
Speaker 1: in this whole in this whole thing, Um, I mean
Speaker 1: she's obviously it's it's kind of funny, like I got
Speaker 1: this feeling of like seeing Haley, you know, pregnant with
Speaker 1: like this thing that means more than all of it,
Speaker 1: and like talking about this stuff, I kind of felt
Speaker 1: for Haley like like are you not annoyed with these
Speaker 1: guys yet? Like we got way bigger fish to fry hair, right,
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I thought you did a great job.
Speaker 1: And I really like like Haley and the relationship between
Speaker 1: Haley and Lucas and Nathan, you know, like I always
Speaker 1: thought that was such an interesting dynamic because like Haley
Speaker 1: and Lucas are so that's like so part Like it's
Speaker 1: like the DNA of the show. Like I remember that
Speaker 1: relationship so well from the pilot episode, you know, being
Speaker 1: so cool and so, but I don't know how often
Speaker 1: we went back to it, and it was cool to
Speaker 1: see that in this episode. Like I'm glad I got
Speaker 1: an episode where I got to see that that dynamic
Speaker 1: between you guys, because it was really great. You know
Speaker 1: what's cool is like Nathan and Lucas are brothers, but
Speaker 1: they don't they didn't grow up as brothers. They don't
Speaker 1: know how to be siblings. But Haley grew up with
Speaker 1: Lucas as a sibling and so Haley and her relationship
Speaker 1: with Nathan gets to teach the boys how to be
Speaker 1: siblings with each other, Like you are absolutely their usher
Speaker 1: into that relationship. Yeah, and it's cool that you could
Speaker 1: have that sibling conversation, Joy, you could have it with
Speaker 1: Lucas and then explain Lucas to Nathan because you see
Speaker 1: that the immediate reaction is conflict. It's like, damn motherfucker.
Speaker 1: Haley also gets to she gets to qualify things for them.
Speaker 1: I was taken him back. It was another thing I
Speaker 1: jotted down when you look at Nathan and say he's
Speaker 1: your best friend and your brother, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, are they best friends? Like you know,
Speaker 1: it's just this wild moment where you you qualify, you know,
Speaker 1: in a in a scene that wasn't as well written
Speaker 1: as that one, you would have been doing exposition about
Speaker 1: like how far you two have come in your relationship.
Speaker 1: There was no time for that in this episode exactly.
Speaker 1: But it was this really simple declarative statement, but it
Speaker 1: was a big deal because you put words to it,
Speaker 1: and we've seen it for a long time, but I
Speaker 1: don't know that we've heard anyone say that before, and
Speaker 1: it's striking and It is very cool that she gets
Speaker 1: to be you know, she's the connective tissue for these
Speaker 1: two and then the three of them really build what
Speaker 1: you were saying, James, that relationship. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: season for Haley of She's definitely like the connective tissue
Speaker 1: in a lot of storylines. I feel like this entering
Speaker 1: into this season of like where I did a lot
Speaker 1: of bouncing around of making people explaining things and people
Speaker 1: understand each other and yeah, trying to keep everything like, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's literally being everyone's mom because none of us have parents. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: which is fitting because you know she's about to be
Speaker 1: a mom, so exactly. But anyway, I loved Nathan's choice.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool that he got up
Speaker 1: there and you know, made the made the right choice
Speaker 1: in spite of everything that was on the line. How
Speaker 1: often are are you three in scenes together in this show?
Speaker 1: Like I noticed that there's like some really good stuff
Speaker 1: with you guys at the end, which is there's just
Speaker 1: such an ease between you three like in the in
Speaker 1: these characters. It was really cool to see that. It
Speaker 1: was like perfect representation of what the show stands for
Speaker 1: right there in that scene with you three um, but like,
Speaker 1: does that happen? I can't remember, Like, does that happen
Speaker 1: quite often? Or was that? Like did but it's petered
Speaker 1: out a little bit over the last season, But we've
Speaker 1: also only ebbs and flows. Yeah, yeah, but I did
Speaker 1: love that. Very similarly in the triangle with Haley, Nathan
Speaker 1: and Lucas, the triangle of the female friendships between us
Speaker 1: is so special and whether you get, you know, moments
Speaker 1: of Brooke and Haley having time, Peyton and Haley having time,
Speaker 1: Brooke and Rachel or Peyton and Brooke, like, we have
Speaker 1: a lot of great female duos, but when the three
Speaker 1: of us are together, it does feel special and it's
Speaker 1: cool that you see that, James, like when when Haley
Speaker 1: comes in and we get the you know, dantante like,
Speaker 1: but then it's yeah, but then it's the three of us,
Speaker 1: and it's it's that iconic scene. Like the thing that
Speaker 1: probably gets shared with me the most is Brooks warrior
Speaker 1: speech and and the three of us sitting in that bed,
Speaker 1: these young girls who've been through so much together and
Speaker 1: they're choosing to take what's happened to them and celebrate
Speaker 1: their strength. It is kind of this iconic moment and
Speaker 1: I do think there's something really special about when the
Speaker 1: three of us get to be together. Yeah, absolutely there is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there anybody who didn't live in that apartment at
Speaker 1: some point? Like I'm so yeah, Like I didn't, was
Speaker 1: the only person in the apartment? God, that apartment set?
Speaker 1: That like apartment? Do we even still have that in
Speaker 1: season five? No? They go away? I don't know. Surely no, right,
Speaker 1: I forgot that we moved in together in that apartment
Speaker 1: zero recollection. Yeah, last week I was like, wait, what
Speaker 1: is that going to happen? But super cute that brooke
Speaker 1: like repainted the whole bedroom. I didn't. I forgot that
Speaker 1: I didn't. I got a little tear. I was like,
Speaker 1: she painted it red like it was iconic and totally
Speaker 1: caught me off guard. It caught me off guard too,
Speaker 1: That's what's funny. It's such a poignant moment, and it
Speaker 1: is one that until I saw it in front of
Speaker 1: my face, I forgot we had done. Yeah, wait did
Speaker 1: they redo the bathroom in your apartment? Though? Because y'all
Speaker 1: had some goofy tile in that apartment? The whole apartment
Speaker 1: set was problematic, you are? I was struck by how
Speaker 1: not aspirational. The sets were you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like like and I kind of like it, Like I'm
Speaker 1: kind of into it because I felt like when you know,
Speaker 1: when I see like Nathan and Haley's apartment or you know,
Speaker 1: your apartment, like some of these sets, I'm like this,
Speaker 1: but this you know, you watch like sitcoms and other
Speaker 1: shows and stuff, and everybody, no matter what job they have,
Speaker 1: is living in like a massive, like two thousand square
Speaker 1: foot like exposed brick loft right like the friend's apartment.
Speaker 1: You're like perfectly decorated going on. Yeah, but like I
Speaker 1: feel like our sets were like they pretty closely reflected,
Speaker 1: at least in the beginning, like where people live, like
Speaker 1: where you know, like like what what a what a
Speaker 1: first apartment would actually look like, and what furniture would
Speaker 1: be in it? And yeah and like yeah, yeah, what
Speaker 1: furniture would be in it? And like maybe you're you
Speaker 1: don't have time or money to like decorate right away
Speaker 1: or like paint the walls and stuff, or maybe you
Speaker 1: got some like you said, maybe you got some funky
Speaker 1: tiling from the last person that lived there or something,
Speaker 1: but like that that that part of it felt pretty
Speaker 1: real to me. Yeah, you know, not aesthetically pleasing, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that they let us do that. James.
Speaker 1: There's like one episode where all of a sudden, there's
Speaker 1: just this like wall of bubbles that you've put in
Speaker 1: the apartment to surprise, and they just choked it. Like
Speaker 1: wasn't an aquarium. It was just a wall that like
Speaker 1: had bubbles floating up like like a like a feature wall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is only it was solely for the purpose of
Speaker 1: a transition sy Yeah, because there was somebody had brought
Speaker 1: it in to our apartment for a transition moment in
Speaker 1: a scene from a prom or what was it? I
Speaker 1: got it? You when when you guys are supposed to
Speaker 1: go on your honeymoon to London and then the car
Speaker 1: crash happens and you don't get to go. You go
Speaker 1: back to the apartment finally, and Nathan had this big
Speaker 1: surprise waiting for Haley, and he turned the whole apartment
Speaker 1: into London, except it's like giant artwork of red telephone
Speaker 1: booths and big weird red chairs and then there's a
Speaker 1: bubble wall next to the mural of the London Bridge
Speaker 1: and it only exists so Nathan can have a drowning
Speaker 1: flashback is right, so ridiculous, you guys, it is burned
Speaker 1: into my brain. Oh that's hilarious. Whatever happened in that storyline?
Speaker 1: Wait a second, where did it go? Where did it go?
Speaker 1: You were having all of these like flashes, and you know,
Speaker 1: after the after the limo went off the bridge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this sweet boy was so much PTSD and everyone's just like,
Speaker 1: you're a basketball star, You're fine, He's fine. Oh, it
Speaker 1: just kind of it just didn't really go anywhere. I
Speaker 1: want to remember, James, your character had PTSD for basically
Speaker 1: a whole season, and it was, you know, attempted suicides
Speaker 1: multiple times. I mean, there was some really dark stuff
Speaker 1: in there. It was gnarly. Do you ever have people
Speaker 1: come up and talk to you about that, because I
Speaker 1: have people come up to me and talk to me
Speaker 1: about sexual assault all the time based on the you know,
Speaker 1: crazy psychoderic stuff, and you don't think about that when
Speaker 1: you're filming it, but then when we start going to
Speaker 1: conventions and stuff like that. I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever had anyone kind of put those puzzle pieces together,
Speaker 1: not in like a specific way, with a specific thing.
Speaker 1: I think that helped. I mean I've had, you know,
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me that the show got them through, um,
Speaker 1: you know, really tough time in their life and things
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't think I've ever had anybody
Speaker 1: say like, this thing that your character went through in
Speaker 1: particular helped me get through this particular thing. Um. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that I've had that, but but certainly, um,
Speaker 1: you know, have had people tell me that, you know,
Speaker 1: the show was was was there for them, you know,
Speaker 1: while they're like, yeah, stuck in a hospital for you know,
Speaker 1: months or something like that like that. To me, I
Speaker 1: feel like that's the thing that makes me the most
Speaker 1: happy is when you know, it's like I feel like
Speaker 1: we made something that was actually because I had that
Speaker 1: for myself. Like there are shows that I will go
Speaker 1: to because I need to be comforted, you know, Fireflye,
Speaker 1: Like we've made something like that now, Firefly Lane. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's really cool to to
Speaker 1: be a part of something that is that for someone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's too. It's one of the greatest series special honors
Speaker 1: about being a part of this show for sure. Now
Speaker 1: that Nathan seems to kind of be on the other
Speaker 1: side of that darkness and you guys are prepping for
Speaker 1: a kid as we you know, wrap up the high
Speaker 1: school years. What was your mindset knowing that you were
Speaker 1: going to have to work with like a baby And
Speaker 1: I say it like it's disgusting. Oh that's a lot
Speaker 1: for like any actor, but especially a young actor who
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of experience with babies. You know,
Speaker 1: did you grow up babysitting? No? No, no, no, okay,
Speaker 1: I still don't have a lot of like experience with babies.
Speaker 1: Like I'm still very uncomfortable holding a baby because I
Speaker 1: think you're gonna break it, you know, like it's I
Speaker 1: don't have like if there's it's so at the time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember um being Yeah, I'm not not so much
Speaker 1: like scared of working. I like kids. I like babies
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I just don't, like I don't know
Speaker 1: how to be around them. And I'm also I'm really
Speaker 1: bad with kids as well. Like I'm so lucky that
Speaker 1: like that's not true. You were so great with Jackson, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but Jackson's like different, you know, like Jackson was so
Speaker 1: extroverted and so chick and so funny and like he
Speaker 1: just wanted to play. But like I struggle with kids
Speaker 1: who are shy because I'm shy. So if like, if
Speaker 1: there's a kid who shy, I think that they can
Speaker 1: see like they I'm just like they don't like me,
Speaker 1: Like that kid kid knows I am a bad person.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay away. So I was afraid that
Speaker 1: I would be like, have some really awkward relationship with
Speaker 1: the kid that's supposed to say, you're just paranoid. You're
Speaker 1: gonna have a staring contest for five years, Yeah, looking
Speaker 1: at each other, just like what are you gonna do? Yep.
Speaker 1: And I did have to learn, you know, Like with Jackson,
Speaker 1: I feel like I was talking to him like he
Speaker 1: was a kid for a little bit, and you know,
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he's talking to me like that.
Speaker 1: Nobody's talking to me like that since I was three. Man. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kids are Kids are great at telling you that though
Speaker 1: they'll they'll let you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah he
Speaker 1: told me. He told me, oh dude, the funniest thing ever.
Speaker 1: I guess this is the next season story. But I
Speaker 1: picked him up one time and was like, what's up, man?
Speaker 1: He was like, oh your breath? Oh no, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'll go get him. Yeah. Kids are hard, hard I
Speaker 1: told Joy and Hillary this, but I don't James, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, because I do recall Lisa
Speaker 1: and I both being pretty horrified. So we may have
Speaker 1: come to set saying this. But there was a day
Speaker 1: because you know, kids have different hours, they're not at
Speaker 1: work all the time that we are, and we were
Speaker 1: having one of those days. You know you said this earlier.
Speaker 1: The hair and makeup trailer is like the hub of
Speaker 1: the whole show. And Lisa and I were getting ready
Speaker 1: to do a scene. And so I'd gone through makeup
Speaker 1: and I was in hair, and she'd gone through hair
Speaker 1: and she was in makeup. And Jackson comes in to
Speaker 1: get ready for the scene and he looks at Lisa
Speaker 1: and he goes, what happened to you? And she goes
Speaker 1: what And he goes, you look weird, and she just said, oh, well,
Speaker 1: I don't have any makeup on yet, you know, we're
Speaker 1: getting ready, and he goes, yeah, you look better with
Speaker 1: makeup on, shaking his head, and walked down to the
Speaker 1: other end of the trailer and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: the honesty of children, Oh God, so like, and the
Speaker 1: whole place just fell out, like I thought Tim was
Speaker 1: going to fall down left. It's like, what are you
Speaker 1: gonna do? They just tell you what you think? What
Speaker 1: they think exactly. Yeah, it's it's and he was a
Speaker 1: perfect representation of that because he was like and he's
Speaker 1: such a good kid. He was he just had a
Speaker 1: heart of gold, and so no matter what he said,
Speaker 1: it was just it was funny. James, how old were
Speaker 1: you when you did your first like job? Like, how
Speaker 1: old were you on set when you were first starting?
Speaker 1: I was. I think the first time I was on set,
Speaker 1: I was like six six years old. Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: you and I were like the only child actors on
Speaker 1: our show. Everybody else had started later in life. Yeah maybe, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So did that affect kind of like do
Speaker 1: you feel like that made you protective of him because
Speaker 1: you've been in that space before? Yeah. I think it
Speaker 1: made me look back at my childhood a little differently,
Speaker 1: you know, like I definitely felt like just drawn to
Speaker 1: him because I just feel it was impossible not to
Speaker 1: be drawn to Jackson. Um. But um, but I did
Speaker 1: I do remember thinking like this kid's working a lot,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and then I remember thinking like did
Speaker 1: I do that? Like did I work a lot when
Speaker 1: I was a kid? Like I don't know, it just
Speaker 1: kind of makes you, gives you a little bit of
Speaker 1: a bird's eye view of the whole thing. And but
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, you know, like I
Speaker 1: really recognized in him, like why I fell in love
Speaker 1: with sets as a kid, and what I've always felt
Speaker 1: like the most home like home, the most on a
Speaker 1: set has um he like he engaged so much with everyone,
Speaker 1: Like he really like that set was a playground for him.
Speaker 1: And even if he was working a lot, I always
Speaker 1: felt like he really was having a good time and
Speaker 1: there wasn't any place he would rather be um because
Speaker 1: he had so many friends there, you know, like and
Speaker 1: he really he was a type of kid who was
Speaker 1: really curious and everyone would give even though we were
Speaker 1: on a you know, we're on a TV set, like
Speaker 1: time is money, but there was never a time where
Speaker 1: like we've never had um like not enough time for Jackson,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like script supervisor, production assistant director,
Speaker 1: Like if he wanted to talk to you, if he
Speaker 1: had a question, like you were going to spend time
Speaker 1: with him, and and and so I feel like, um,
Speaker 1: you know that, seeing that, I was like, oh, well, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: wonder I'm no wonder I'm still here because it's it's
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be on set when you're a kid.
Speaker 1: Under the right circumstances, right, you know, it can go
Speaker 1: very very wrong, very easy for it to go wrong.
Speaker 1: But I feel like, YO, say space, Yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: you know what's cool. You're making me realize. I remember
Speaker 1: when in the later seasons we all started directing. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was like I envisioned it as
Speaker 1: being like a water cooler conversation. We didn't have a
Speaker 1: water cooler, but you know, I remember all of us
Speaker 1: talking about how we'd been doing this job for so long,
Speaker 1: but then directing episodes, it reignites the whole thing and
Speaker 1: it makes everything new again. And I don't think I
Speaker 1: had considered it until you just said it. I think
Speaker 1: Jackson showing up in season five was the first version
Speaker 1: of that. He made the whole set new again for everybody,
Speaker 1: and we were like, whoa, this is really cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seeing it through his eyes. It's special when you get
Speaker 1: that in a long running job, when you get things
Speaker 1: that make it feel brand new again years in, Like,
Speaker 1: that's really really special. Yes, with the directing part of it, James, like,
Speaker 1: when you watch an episode like this one, like four
Speaker 1: eighteen back. Now that you've directed so much, what stands
Speaker 1: out to you, Like, what would you have done differently
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, Oh, like with this particular episode. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have done anything differently.
Speaker 1: I think what really stood out to me was, you
Speaker 1: know that our show had a specific style. You know,
Speaker 1: there were certain things and I don't want to say
Speaker 1: like formulaic, and it's not formulaic in a bad way,
Speaker 1: but by this time in the show, we had a
Speaker 1: formula right, and it's the familiarity that the audience relies on,
Speaker 1: so you can't stray too far from it on purpose. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And there's like a rhythm and there's certain things that
Speaker 1: happened that that sort of there's certain things that happened
Speaker 1: technically that signal what's about to happen for you. So
Speaker 1: like as we're getting into you know, the coda is
Speaker 1: a thing that has been around for a while, and
Speaker 1: I think I think our show did really well, but
Speaker 1: like there were certain things that happened like to get
Speaker 1: us into the coda. Like you know you're coming, you're
Speaker 1: getting close to the coda when you start to see
Speaker 1: like a couple of crane shots and stuff, and you
Speaker 1: know it's not just the end of a crane shot
Speaker 1: because they cut it for time. It's like, Okay, now
Speaker 1: we're slowing things down a bit. Now we're going to
Speaker 1: sort of you know, you know, I guess we're going
Speaker 1: to sort of hypnotize you a little bit and like, whoa,
Speaker 1: you into like a sense of something as we go
Speaker 1: into you know, then we'll cue the music and then
Speaker 1: you're just like floating away with us as we cut
Speaker 1: between characters. So stuff like that. Yeah, it was cool
Speaker 1: to see that because you know, I think that stuff
Speaker 1: was like pretty consistent throughout the entire life of the show,
Speaker 1: and so I recognized a lot of it in this episode.
Speaker 1: And David Jackson, I remember being a really good dude.
Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. I liked his energy, I
Speaker 1: liked the way he ran a set, and so you know,
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, I wasn't looking at David
Speaker 1: Jackson's I was thing that David Jackson's like visual choices
Speaker 1: are directorial choices. I was just thinking about like my
Speaker 1: experience with him personally on a set. But it was
Speaker 1: cool to watch what he was doing as a director,
Speaker 1: you know this time around? Yeah, did you when you
Speaker 1: look for things to direct? Now? What it? What kind
Speaker 1: of projects excite you? I love stuff it doesn't take
Speaker 1: itself too seriously. Um. I love stuff that's a little
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, dramady you know. Um. I've always just
Speaker 1: like been really taken with the Adam McKay's and David o'
Speaker 1: russells of the world, where I think David old Russells
Speaker 1: is probably the best example because he can like that
Speaker 1: guy can tear you know, his movies can tear my
Speaker 1: heart out and make me laugh hysterically at the same time.
Speaker 1: And there's something about that seesaw that I really love
Speaker 1: and gravitate towards. So um, yeah, so cool. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad we got you to come on this show. Team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Guys. Yeah. Is there anything you
Speaker 1: have coming up that you want to talk about before
Speaker 1: we spend our wheel and all that stuff? What besides,
Speaker 1: everyone is doing great, which we talked about in our
Speaker 1: last chat, But um, is there anything else you want
Speaker 1: to Um? Yeah, I gotta film coming out here. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's coming out soon. It's called Red
Speaker 1: right hand Um, some producers from our show, Ian and
Speaker 1: National Films. Um, they directed that film. Um. Alex and
Speaker 1: I are both in it. So that's that's one, and
Speaker 1: we are. I want to give too much away, but
Speaker 1: we're playing It's it's we get to do a departure
Speaker 1: from what we usually do. So UM, so yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about that. But other than that, I'm just like,
Speaker 1: we're just editing season two. Um, we'll be doing that
Speaker 1: for the next like seven months in this in this room.
Speaker 1: Actually it's going to be here any minute. I love
Speaker 1: how collaborative you and your wife are, you know, And yeah,
Speaker 1: coming up in our industry, I didn't have industry parents.
Speaker 1: You didn't have industry parents, Like there was no example
Speaker 1: for how you're supposed to formulate a relationship that makes
Speaker 1: sense with the hours we work and with like the
Speaker 1: weirdness of our job and so finding someone you can
Speaker 1: collaborate with is vital. And I love that you guys
Speaker 1: are doing all these projects together. She's cool, James. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's amazing. She's amazing. Thanks for saying that.
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely, I mean, it's the only way
Speaker 1: to survive in this industry too. I think like, if
Speaker 1: you're going to be in this industry and have a
Speaker 1: partner in this industry that has like the same job
Speaker 1: as you, like, I feel like it's probably pretty easy
Speaker 1: for it to get competitive, Like you got to go
Speaker 1: the other way. You gotta just like lift each other
Speaker 1: up and help each other out and work together. It's
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's the only way I
Speaker 1: can't imagine doing any other way. You know, Well, it's
Speaker 1: really special, and it's like it is to Hillary's point,
Speaker 1: it's very inspiring because you know, especially for all of
Speaker 1: us when we talk about the things that we share
Speaker 1: in those nine years, like getting kind of yanked out
Speaker 1: of your life for ten months a year can be
Speaker 1: really disruptive. And to see the way that you guys
Speaker 1: are literally building your life around being able to make
Speaker 1: sure you can be in places together is awesome. And
Speaker 1: you guys are making such cool so like it's fun.
Speaker 1: It's fun to root for you, you you know, as our
Speaker 1: friend who is happy, and also to root for the
Speaker 1: things that you two as partners are making. That's all
Speaker 1: really really cool. And you know, I'm definitely a lucky
Speaker 1: guy for surely. Yeah, And I want to say, you know,
Speaker 1: on behalf of the three of us. I know, it
Speaker 1: was like, you know, cats in a bag trying to
Speaker 1: get all four of our schedules to line up to
Speaker 1: get you on this show. Like the fans kept being like,
Speaker 1: when's he coming, and we were like, we've literally been
Speaker 1: working on it for a year, Like we've literally been
Speaker 1: trying so hard. And the fact that you were able
Speaker 1: to kind of scissor out this time for us this
Speaker 1: morning and make sure you could be here with absolutely yeah. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have always been there for for
Speaker 1: me and for us, and um, you know, I really
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I'm really happy for all of you
Speaker 1: in the podcast, like it's such success and people love
Speaker 1: it and it's um, it's it's really cool too. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not just doing this, you know all we feel
Speaker 1: the rest of us from the show. We feel it
Speaker 1: as well, you know, like we're you know, I feel
Speaker 1: the love from the show through your guys show, and
Speaker 1: you've really brought it back around in a way that
Speaker 1: I never knew was possible. And uh, that's that's really awesome.
Speaker 1: So thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. But baby,
Speaker 1: we got to spin a wheel. That's how you become
Speaker 1: an official drama queen. We have to spin a wheel together.
Speaker 1: We spin a wheel most likely too, like a yearbook
Speaker 1: most likely too. So this week are superlative. You have
Speaker 1: to pick one of our actor friends but also a character.
Speaker 1: So this is perfect for today's conversation. Who's most likely
Speaker 1: to babysit your kids? Who's the most likely to babysit
Speaker 1: your kids? Uh? You know who has babysat my kids? Antoine.
Speaker 1: When George was a baby, she would not sleep. She
Speaker 1: just absolutely would not sleep. And Antoine and I were
Speaker 1: doing a movie together and I watched him pick her up,
Speaker 1: put her in one arm, like hold her in this
Speaker 1: real weird way, and she was out in like two minutes.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, what, Yeah, he has skills
Speaker 1: literally literally Well knowing that, I feel like that'd be
Speaker 1: a pretty safe choice. Um, but you know, I think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Barbara Yea if she could give
Speaker 1: my kid like an ounce of the juju that her
Speaker 1: kids have, and I feel like, yeah, the kid would
Speaker 1: be fine, you know, like her what she's done with
Speaker 1: her family and their their whole crew. Man, that's so cool. Um,
Speaker 1: that awesome. I mean, Barbara is just um, she's are
Speaker 1: out of me, so she'll cry if she hears you, James.
Speaker 1: She loves you so much. She's amazing. What character Hayley,
Speaker 1: I'd say she's got yeah, I guess so yeah or
Speaker 1: Karen or Karen Yeah yeah, Karen would be great like
Speaker 1: not Rachel, not Rael, not Rachel Yeah, Dan Scott sweet.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, next week we have episode four nineteen,
Speaker 1: and we are barreling towards graduation. We're almost out of
Speaker 1: the high school years. James, I'm so glad that you
Speaker 1: could come and be a part of high school with us.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, really appreciate it. Hey, thanks for listening.
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