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Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me. We all about

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Speaker 1: that high school drama, Girl Drama Girl, all about them

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Speaker 1: high school Queens Forever. We'll take you for a ride

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Speaker 1: in our comic Girl Cheering for the eighteen drama Queens

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Speaker 1: Girl Fashion, but your tough girl, you could sit with us.

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Speaker 1: Girl Drama, Queens Drama, Queen's Drama, Queen's Drama Drawn MC

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Speaker 1: Queen's Drama Queens Season four, episode eighteen, The Runaway found

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Speaker 1: finally a positive title air date May sixteen, twenty and seven. James,

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Speaker 1: James Lafferty is your ladies and John, we're so excited

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Speaker 1: to my Nathan. Um. We were just joking. We always

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Speaker 1: joke about how the titles of these episodes have been

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Speaker 1: so depressing the last little while. So you brought us

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Speaker 1: the sunshine, James, thank you. Yes, you're welcome, my synops.

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Speaker 1: Nathan fears for his future as past mistakes come back

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Speaker 1: to haunt him and Haley Lucas. Here's a shocking confession

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Speaker 1: after making contact with a mysterious witness to Keith's murder.

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Speaker 1: Brooke rekindles her friendship with Peyton after crossing paths with Chase.

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Speaker 1: That sounds so ominous, but you guys literally did just

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Speaker 1: like bump into each other in a parking lot. But

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Speaker 1: in the synopsis it makes it sound so dark. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was like a literal blip on the radar. Nothing

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Speaker 1: important happened there at all. So much important stuff happened

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Speaker 1: with Dan and he's not even in the synopsis. Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, I'd love to talk about that's weird. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to talk about the lead there.

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Speaker 1: I guess this episode to me felt like somebody sat

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Speaker 1: through storylines they just needed to tie up and finish,

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Speaker 1: and then threw them in a hat and then just

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Speaker 1: to a board, taped them to the paper like a

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Speaker 1: ransom note. Oh yeah, exactly. It was so all over

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Speaker 1: the place my face. Favorite episodes are when it's two

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Speaker 1: totally different TV shows happening in the same episode, Like

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Speaker 1: whatever you and James were doing, you two have this

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Speaker 1: like loving, beautiful storyline about communication and Peyton was going

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Speaker 1: to a prison under circumstances that have never existed in

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Speaker 1: our judicial system ever, Like, can you ever any prison

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Speaker 1: on the planet, letting a teenage girl just like lock

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Speaker 1: are they not on the little visitor windows with the phones?

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Speaker 1: This is not allowed? And the guy just shut the

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Speaker 1: with all the inmates. I can't some serious dramatic effect

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Speaker 1: going on there. For sure? Was that at a real

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Speaker 1: prison or did they did they build that? Now, we

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Speaker 1: went to a real prison one time. Yeah, the prison

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Speaker 1: right next to the airport, remember we would land and

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Speaker 1: there's the prison right there. Yeah, yeah, welcome to Wilmington. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's a treatment plant in a prison. Yeah. And then Mwood. No,

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Speaker 1: they built that on set, right, I'm sure. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: Mean here's my question though, when we get into this

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Speaker 1: Did you always read the entire script or did you

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Speaker 1: do what Antoine did and just look at your stuff

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Speaker 1: like all the is all the girls shit a surprise, dude.

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Speaker 1: I will never forget when Antoine told us all that

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Speaker 1: he doesn't read the scripts. Just being like that is

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Speaker 1: so awesome. For some reason, I don't know why, but

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Speaker 1: to not read the scripts, like, I gotta read it all.

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Speaker 1: like I'm my character is supposed to be aware of

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Speaker 1: And then I never watched the show, That's the thing.

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Speaker 1: I've never liked watching myself that much. And and and again,

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Speaker 1: like I just it was so weird. I just, for

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Speaker 1: the three of us are going though. That's what I love. Though,

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Speaker 1: whoever wrote this episode who shall Remain nameless definitely knew

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Speaker 1: theorizing Dan had his own stuff going on, didn't he

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Speaker 1: That was this was a huge episode for Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the audience is buying something that is clearly not real,

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00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: but because the emotion behind it and the people that

427
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: are there feel connected to reality, they go there with us. Yeah,

428
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 1: it's a totally different way of storytelling, but like it

429
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 1: does work if done right, I guess. Yeah. Do you

430
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: also feel that we were kind of doing tag team

431
00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,880
Speaker 1: wrestling because like a group up of us would get

432
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,679
Speaker 1: to do something really earnest and heartfelt while the other

433
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: group had to like get into the ring and do

434
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: the slapstick body slam like crazy. Shit. Are always trading places?

435
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 1: Were always There's not one single episode where we're all

436
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: just like steady, Like there's giddy up always. Who who

437
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 1: was your your most mischievous partner? You know, you've got

438
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,880
Speaker 1: good stuff with chat in this episode that I want

439
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: to talk about. Obviously, you enjoy had twenty seven years

440
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 1: worth of marital strife conquer strife. Yeah, but you also

441
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 1: had you had Brett Claywell, you had Tyler Hilton, you

442
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: had Robert Buckley. After I was gone like like who

443
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: are the people that when you read the script you

444
00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: were like, uh, we're gonna get oh Man, Well definitely,

445
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 1: you know Tim. I mean I ended up in like

446
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 1: a girl Scout costume with Tim. But then as the

447
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: show went on, Um, yeah, I mean Chris Keller. Like

448
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: every time Chris Keller came to town, it was like

449
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 1: you guys, I feel like I feel like almost were

450
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: like praying that our characters would bounce off of him. Well,

451
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: ye long he was going to be there. You know.

452
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: He was so great and such an amazing energy and

453
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: just like like the guy is so just magnetic on screen,

454
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: like no matter no matter what he's doing, I mean

455
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 1: I can't. He just gets away with his character gets

456
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 1: away with murder because he's so freaking charming, and I think, um,

457
00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: I love that stuff. I loved, you know, because because

458
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 1: then I could go as low as I wanted. I

459
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 1: could just be like Baseline. I didn't do anything but

460
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: perfect straight man. That was it was like it was

461
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: the straight It was the Abbott and Costello of it

462
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: all with the with the two of you on camera.

463
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,959
Speaker 1: Always it was the straight man and the funny man,

464
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: but it worked so well because you both leaned in

465
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: so hard to your role. Yeah, it's so fun to

466
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,399
Speaker 1: know that you're in a funny scene but not have

467
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 1: the pressure of having to be funny. Oh god, it's

468
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 1: gonna be funny. Because but when the two of you

469
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,919
Speaker 1: did that episode where you were in Nathan's hatchback and

470
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: the tape got stuck and played that ridiculous song over

471
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: and over again, like I need you to know that,

472
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: the three of us watching that episode, we're like, we

473
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 1: want this to be a movie. Where is this movie?

474
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 1: Like these two need to have their own ridiculous like

475
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: slapstick adventure that'd lasts of full two hours, Like we

476
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: need it as as audience members, we need it. You

477
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 1: should just play firefighters or something. Do a firefighter comedy,

478
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,120
Speaker 1: just like dudes being dudes on a ladder. That will

479
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: be fun. Idea. Yeah, love fine, one's afraid of heights

480
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: and one's not. That's the show perfect. But your partner

481
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: in this episode is your brother, right, And I love,

482
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: love love this conflict that you have with Lucas because

483
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 1: it's so real. You have been giving marching orders by

484
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: your dad just to shut up, right, and you tell

485
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 1: Lucas don't touch it, don't touch the thing, don't touch it.

486
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:24,199
Speaker 1: And what does he do. He's got to go be

487
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: a martyr with Wyodia hero. So Lucas well, Haley showed up.

488
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,239
Speaker 1: Haley didn't help much either. She was the one that

489
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: was sort of like needling the which is actually I

490
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: thought so interesting that Haley, the girl who grew up

491
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: with such you know, good good parenting and strong morals

492
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: and values and was like, no, you gotta always do

493
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: the right thing when push comes to chefs. She's the

494
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: one who gets a little wafflely. And Nathan's the one

495
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,159
Speaker 1: who decides the kid who grows up without any of

496
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: that's being set. In fact, the opposite example is set

497
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 1: for him, and he's the one who has to make

498
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: that decision and does it with flying colors. Um. I

499
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 1: thought that was really interesting kind of telling, I guess,

500
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 1: very very human of us. Yeah, I mean it was. Yeah,

501
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: I thought that was interesting as well. Like Hayley's role

502
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 1: in this whole in this whole thing, Um, I mean

503
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: she's obviously it's it's kind of funny, like I got

504
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: this feeling of like seeing Haley, you know, pregnant with

505
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 1: like this thing that means more than all of it,

506
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: and like talking about this stuff, I kind of felt

507
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: for Haley like like are you not annoyed with these

508
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: guys yet? Like we got way bigger fish to fry hair, right,

509
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I thought you did a great job.

510
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: And I really like like Haley and the relationship between

511
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Haley and Lucas and Nathan, you know, like I always

512
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: thought that was such an interesting dynamic because like Haley

513
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: and Lucas are so that's like so part Like it's

514
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 1: like the DNA of the show. Like I remember that

515
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: relationship so well from the pilot episode, you know, being

516
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: so cool and so, but I don't know how often

517
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: we went back to it, and it was cool to

518
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: see that in this episode. Like I'm glad I got

519
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: an episode where I got to see that that dynamic

520
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: between you guys, because it was really great. You know

521
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: what's cool is like Nathan and Lucas are brothers, but

522
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: they don't they didn't grow up as brothers. They don't

523
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: know how to be siblings. But Haley grew up with

524
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: Lucas as a sibling and so Haley and her relationship

525
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 1: with Nathan gets to teach the boys how to be

526
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: siblings with each other, Like you are absolutely their usher

527
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: into that relationship. Yeah, and it's cool that you could

528
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: have that sibling conversation, Joy, you could have it with

529
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: Lucas and then explain Lucas to Nathan because you see

530
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: that the immediate reaction is conflict. It's like, damn motherfucker.

531
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: Haley also gets to she gets to qualify things for them.

532
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: I was taken him back. It was another thing I

533
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: jotted down when you look at Nathan and say he's

534
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: your best friend and your brother, and I was like,

535
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: oh my god, are they best friends? Like you know,

536
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: it's just this wild moment where you you qualify, you know,

537
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: in a in a scene that wasn't as well written

538
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,280
Speaker 1: as that one, you would have been doing exposition about

539
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: like how far you two have come in your relationship.

540
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: There was no time for that in this episode exactly.

541
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: But it was this really simple declarative statement, but it

542
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 1: was a big deal because you put words to it,

543
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: and we've seen it for a long time, but I

544
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,479
Speaker 1: don't know that we've heard anyone say that before, and

545
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: it's striking and It is very cool that she gets

546
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 1: to be you know, she's the connective tissue for these

547
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 1: two and then the three of them really build what

548
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: you were saying, James, that relationship. Yeah, this is the

549
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: season for Haley of She's definitely like the connective tissue

550
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: in a lot of storylines. I feel like this entering

551
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: into this season of like where I did a lot

552
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: of bouncing around of making people explaining things and people

553
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: understand each other and yeah, trying to keep everything like, yeah,

554
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 1: she's literally being everyone's mom because none of us have parents. Yeah, exactly,

555
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: which is fitting because you know she's about to be

556
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: a mom, so exactly. But anyway, I loved Nathan's choice.

557
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: I thought it was really cool that he got up

558
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 1: there and you know, made the made the right choice

559
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: in spite of everything that was on the line. How

560
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: often are are you three in scenes together in this show?

561
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: Like I noticed that there's like some really good stuff

562
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,239
Speaker 1: with you guys at the end, which is there's just

563
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: such an ease between you three like in the in

564
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: these characters. It was really cool to see that. It

565
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: was like perfect representation of what the show stands for

566
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,040
Speaker 1: right there in that scene with you three um, but like,

567
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: does that happen? I can't remember, Like, does that happen

568
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: quite often? Or was that? Like did but it's petered

569
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: out a little bit over the last season, But we've

570
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: also only ebbs and flows. Yeah, yeah, but I did

571
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 1: love that. Very similarly in the triangle with Haley, Nathan

572
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: and Lucas, the triangle of the female friendships between us

573
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: is so special and whether you get, you know, moments

574
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: of Brooke and Haley having time, Peyton and Haley having time,

575
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Brooke and Rachel or Peyton and Brooke, like, we have

576
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: a lot of great female duos, but when the three

577
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: of us are together, it does feel special and it's

578
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: cool that you see that, James, like when when Haley

579
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: comes in and we get the you know, dantante like,

580
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 1: but then it's yeah, but then it's the three of us,

581
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's that iconic scene. Like the thing that

582
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: probably gets shared with me the most is Brooks warrior

583
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: speech and and the three of us sitting in that bed,

584
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: these young girls who've been through so much together and

585
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: they're choosing to take what's happened to them and celebrate

586
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: their strength. It is kind of this iconic moment and

587
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: I do think there's something really special about when the

588
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: three of us get to be together. Yeah, absolutely there is. Yeah,

589
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: is there anybody who didn't live in that apartment at

590
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: some point? Like I'm so yeah, Like I didn't, was

591
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: the only person in the apartment? God, that apartment set?

592
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: That like apartment? Do we even still have that in

593
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: season five? No? They go away? I don't know. Surely no, right,

594
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 1: I forgot that we moved in together in that apartment

595
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: zero recollection. Yeah, last week I was like, wait, what

596
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,800
Speaker 1: is that going to happen? But super cute that brooke

597
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: like repainted the whole bedroom. I didn't. I forgot that

598
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: I didn't. I got a little tear. I was like,

599
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: she painted it red like it was iconic and totally

600
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: caught me off guard. It caught me off guard too,

601
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 1: That's what's funny. It's such a poignant moment, and it

602
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: is one that until I saw it in front of

603
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: my face, I forgot we had done. Yeah, wait did

604
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: they redo the bathroom in your apartment? Though? Because y'all

605
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: had some goofy tile in that apartment? The whole apartment

606
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: set was problematic, you are? I was struck by how

607
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 1: not aspirational. The sets were you know what I mean,

608
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: like like and I kind of like it, Like I'm

609
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: kind of into it because I felt like when you know,

610
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: when I see like Nathan and Haley's apartment or you know,

611
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: your apartment, like some of these sets, I'm like this,

612
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: but this you know, you watch like sitcoms and other

613
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: shows and stuff, and everybody, no matter what job they have,

614
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: is living in like a massive, like two thousand square

615
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 1: foot like exposed brick loft right like the friend's apartment.

616
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: You're like perfectly decorated going on. Yeah, but like I

617
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: feel like our sets were like they pretty closely reflected,

618
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: at least in the beginning, like where people live, like

619
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 1: where you know, like like what what a what a

620
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: first apartment would actually look like, and what furniture would

621
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: be in it? And yeah and like yeah, yeah, what

622
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: furniture would be in it? And like maybe you're you

623
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: don't have time or money to like decorate right away

624
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: or like paint the walls and stuff, or maybe you

625
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,840
Speaker 1: got some like you said, maybe you got some funky

626
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: tiling from the last person that lived there or something,

627
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: but like that that that part of it felt pretty

628
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: real to me. Yeah, you know, not aesthetically pleasing, but

629
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting that they let us do that. James.

630
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: There's like one episode where all of a sudden, there's

631
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: just this like wall of bubbles that you've put in

632
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: the apartment to surprise, and they just choked it. Like

633
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 1: wasn't an aquarium. It was just a wall that like

634
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: had bubbles floating up like like a like a feature wall. Yeah,

635
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: this is only it was solely for the purpose of

636
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 1: a transition sy Yeah, because there was somebody had brought

637
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: it in to our apartment for a transition moment in

638
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: a scene from a prom or what was it? I

639
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: got it? You when when you guys are supposed to

640
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 1: go on your honeymoon to London and then the car

641
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: crash happens and you don't get to go. You go

642
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: back to the apartment finally, and Nathan had this big

643
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: surprise waiting for Haley, and he turned the whole apartment

644
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: into London, except it's like giant artwork of red telephone

645
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: booths and big weird red chairs and then there's a

646
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: bubble wall next to the mural of the London Bridge

647
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: and it only exists so Nathan can have a drowning

648
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: flashback is right, so ridiculous, you guys, it is burned

649
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: into my brain. Oh that's hilarious. Whatever happened in that storyline?

650
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 1: Wait a second, where did it go? Where did it go?

651
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: You were having all of these like flashes, and you know,

652
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: after the after the limo went off the bridge. Yeah,

653
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: this sweet boy was so much PTSD and everyone's just like,

654
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: you're a basketball star, You're fine, He's fine. Oh, it

655
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: just kind of it just didn't really go anywhere. I

656
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: want to remember, James, your character had PTSD for basically

657
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: a whole season, and it was, you know, attempted suicides

658
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: multiple times. I mean, there was some really dark stuff

659
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: in there. It was gnarly. Do you ever have people

660
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: come up and talk to you about that, because I

661
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: have people come up to me and talk to me

662
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: about sexual assault all the time based on the you know,

663
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 1: crazy psychoderic stuff, and you don't think about that when

664
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: you're filming it, but then when we start going to

665
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: conventions and stuff like that. I don't know if you've

666
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: ever had anyone kind of put those puzzle pieces together,

667
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: not in like a specific way, with a specific thing.

668
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: I think that helped. I mean I've had, you know,

669
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: I've had people tell me that the show got them through, um,

670
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: you know, really tough time in their life and things

671
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 1: like that. But I don't think I've ever had anybody

672
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: say like, this thing that your character went through in

673
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: particular helped me get through this particular thing. Um. I'm

674
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: not sure that I've had that, but but certainly, um,

675
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: you know, have had people tell me that, you know,

676
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the show was was was there for them, you know,

677
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: while they're like, yeah, stuck in a hospital for you know,

678
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: months or something like that like that. To me, I

679
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: feel like that's the thing that makes me the most

680
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: happy is when you know, it's like I feel like

681
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: we made something that was actually because I had that

682
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: for myself. Like there are shows that I will go

683
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 1: to because I need to be comforted, you know, Fireflye,

684
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 1: Like we've made something like that now, Firefly Lane. Yeah.

685
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 1: So I just feel like it's really cool to to

686
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: be a part of something that is that for someone. Yeah,

687
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: he's too. It's one of the greatest series special honors

688
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: about being a part of this show for sure. Now

689
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,879
Speaker 1: that Nathan seems to kind of be on the other

690
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: side of that darkness and you guys are prepping for

691
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: a kid as we you know, wrap up the high

692
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: school years. What was your mindset knowing that you were

693
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: going to have to work with like a baby And

694
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: I say it like it's disgusting. Oh that's a lot

695
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 1: for like any actor, but especially a young actor who

696
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of experience with babies. You know,

697
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: did you grow up babysitting? No? No, no, no, okay,

698
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: I still don't have a lot of like experience with babies.

699
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: Like I'm still very uncomfortable holding a baby because I

700
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: think you're gonna break it, you know, like it's I

701
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: don't have like if there's it's so at the time, Yeah,

702
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 1: I remember um being Yeah, I'm not not so much

703
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: like scared of working. I like kids. I like babies

704
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: and stuff, but I just don't, like I don't know

705
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: how to be around them. And I'm also I'm really

706
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: bad with kids as well. Like I'm so lucky that

707
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 1: like that's not true. You were so great with Jackson, Yeah,

708
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 1: but Jackson's like different, you know, like Jackson was so

709
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:01,400
Speaker 1: extroverted and so chick and so funny and like he

710
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: just wanted to play. But like I struggle with kids

711
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 1: who are shy because I'm shy. So if like, if

712
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: there's a kid who shy, I think that they can

713
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: see like they I'm just like they don't like me,

714
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: Like that kid kid knows I am a bad person.

715
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stay away. So I was afraid that

716
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: I would be like, have some really awkward relationship with

717
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: the kid that's supposed to say, you're just paranoid. You're

718
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: gonna have a staring contest for five years, Yeah, looking

719
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: at each other, just like what are you gonna do? Yep.

720
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: And I did have to learn, you know, Like with Jackson,

721
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I was talking to him like he

722
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: was a kid for a little bit, and you know,

723
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, he's talking to me like that.

724
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,800
Speaker 1: Nobody's talking to me like that since I was three. Man. Yeah,

725
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:50,879
Speaker 1: kids are Kids are great at telling you that though

726
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: they'll they'll let you know. Oh yeah, oh yeah he

727
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: told me. He told me, oh dude, the funniest thing ever.

728
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: I guess this is the next season story. But I

729
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: picked him up one time and was like, what's up, man?

730
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:11,560
Speaker 1: He was like, oh your breath? Oh no, oh my god,

731
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: I'll go get him. Yeah. Kids are hard, hard I

732
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: told Joy and Hillary this, but I don't James, I

733
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, because I do recall Lisa

734
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: and I both being pretty horrified. So we may have

735
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: come to set saying this. But there was a day

736
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: because you know, kids have different hours, they're not at

737
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: work all the time that we are, and we were

738
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: having one of those days. You know you said this earlier.

739
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 1: The hair and makeup trailer is like the hub of

740
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: the whole show. And Lisa and I were getting ready

741
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: to do a scene. And so I'd gone through makeup

742
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: and I was in hair, and she'd gone through hair

743
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: and she was in makeup. And Jackson comes in to

744
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: get ready for the scene and he looks at Lisa

745
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: and he goes, what happened to you? And she goes

746
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: what And he goes, you look weird, and she just said, oh, well,

747
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: I don't have any makeup on yet, you know, we're

748
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 1: getting ready, and he goes, yeah, you look better with

749
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: makeup on, shaking his head, and walked down to the

750
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: other end of the trailer and we were like, oh,

751
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: the honesty of children, Oh God, so like, and the

752
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: whole place just fell out, like I thought Tim was

753
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: going to fall down left. It's like, what are you

754
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: gonna do? They just tell you what you think? What

755
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: they think exactly. Yeah, it's it's and he was a

756
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: perfect representation of that because he was like and he's

757
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 1: such a good kid. He was he just had a

758
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: heart of gold, and so no matter what he said,

759
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: it was just it was funny. James, how old were

760
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: you when you did your first like job? Like, how

761
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: old were you on set when you were first starting?

762
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: I was. I think the first time I was on set,

763
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: I was like six six years old. Yeah. I think

764
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: you and I were like the only child actors on

765
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: our show. Everybody else had started later in life. Yeah maybe, yeah,

766
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. So did that affect kind of like do

767
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: you feel like that made you protective of him because

768
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: you've been in that space before? Yeah. I think it

769
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 1: made me look back at my childhood a little differently,

770
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, like I definitely felt like just drawn to

771
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: him because I just feel it was impossible not to

772
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: be drawn to Jackson. Um. But um, but I did

773
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 1: I do remember thinking like this kid's working a lot,

774
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, and then I remember thinking like did

775
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: I do that? Like did I work a lot when

776
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: I was a kid? Like I don't know, it just

777
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of makes you, gives you a little bit of

778
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: a bird's eye view of the whole thing. And but

779
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,759
Speaker 1: I think for the most part, you know, like I

780
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 1: really recognized in him, like why I fell in love

781
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: with sets as a kid, and what I've always felt

782
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 1: like the most home like home, the most on a

783
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: set has um he like he engaged so much with everyone,

784
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: Like he really like that set was a playground for him.

785
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 1: And even if he was working a lot, I always

786
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: felt like he really was having a good time and

787
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: there wasn't any place he would rather be um because

788
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: he had so many friends there, you know, like and

789
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: he really he was a type of kid who was

790
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,359
Speaker 1: really curious and everyone would give even though we were

791
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: on a you know, we're on a TV set, like

792
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: time is money, but there was never a time where

793
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: like we've never had um like not enough time for Jackson,

794
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like script supervisor, production assistant director,

795
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: Like if he wanted to talk to you, if he

796
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: had a question, like you were going to spend time

797
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: with him, and and and so I feel like, um,

798
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: you know that, seeing that, I was like, oh, well, yeah, no,

799
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: wonder I'm no wonder I'm still here because it's it's

800
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: pretty cool to be on set when you're a kid.

801
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: Under the right circumstances, right, you know, it can go

802
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: very very wrong, very easy for it to go wrong.

803
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: But I feel like, YO, say space, Yeah, well, and

804
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: you know what's cool. You're making me realize. I remember

805
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: when in the later seasons we all started directing. I

806
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: don't know if it was like I envisioned it as

807
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: being like a water cooler conversation. We didn't have a

808
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 1: water cooler, but you know, I remember all of us

809
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: talking about how we'd been doing this job for so long,

810
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,319
Speaker 1: but then directing episodes, it reignites the whole thing and

811
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: it makes everything new again. And I don't think I

812
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: had considered it until you just said it. I think

813
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: Jackson showing up in season five was the first version

814
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 1: of that. He made the whole set new again for everybody,

815
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 1: and we were like, whoa, this is really cool. Yeah,

816
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: seeing it through his eyes. It's special when you get

817
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,879
Speaker 1: that in a long running job, when you get things

818
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: that make it feel brand new again years in, Like,

819
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 1: that's really really special. Yes, with the directing part of it, James, like,

820
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: when you watch an episode like this one, like four

821
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 1: eighteen back. Now that you've directed so much, what stands

822
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: out to you, Like, what would you have done differently

823
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: in a situation like this, Oh, like with this particular episode. Yeah,

824
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would have done anything differently.

825
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: I think what really stood out to me was, you

826
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: know that our show had a specific style. You know,

827
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: there were certain things and I don't want to say

828
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,720
Speaker 1: like formulaic, and it's not formulaic in a bad way,

829
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: but by this time in the show, we had a

830
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: formula right, and it's the familiarity that the audience relies on,

831
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,399
Speaker 1: so you can't stray too far from it on purpose. Yeah. Yeah,

832
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: And there's like a rhythm and there's certain things that

833
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,320
Speaker 1: happened that that sort of there's certain things that happened

834
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: technically that signal what's about to happen for you. So

835
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: like as we're getting into you know, the coda is

836
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: a thing that has been around for a while, and

837
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: I think I think our show did really well, but

838
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: like there were certain things that happened like to get

839
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: us into the coda. Like you know you're coming, you're

840
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 1: getting close to the coda when you start to see

841
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: like a couple of crane shots and stuff, and you

842
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,399
Speaker 1: know it's not just the end of a crane shot

843
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: because they cut it for time. It's like, Okay, now

844
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: we're slowing things down a bit. Now we're going to

845
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: sort of you know, you know, I guess we're going

846
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,760
Speaker 1: to sort of hypnotize you a little bit and like, whoa,

847
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: you into like a sense of something as we go

848
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: into you know, then we'll cue the music and then

849
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Speaker 1: you're just like floating away with us as we cut

850
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Speaker 1: between characters. So stuff like that. Yeah, it was cool

851
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: to see that because you know, I think that stuff

852
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: was like pretty consistent throughout the entire life of the show,

853
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: and so I recognized a lot of it in this episode.

854
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Speaker 1: And David Jackson, I remember being a really good dude.

855
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Speaker 1: I liked him a lot. I liked his energy, I

856
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: liked the way he ran a set, and so you know,

857
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: at the time, you know, I wasn't looking at David

858
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: Jackson's I was thing that David Jackson's like visual choices

859
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: are directorial choices. I was just thinking about like my

860
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 1: experience with him personally on a set. But it was

861
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: cool to watch what he was doing as a director,

862
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: you know this time around? Yeah, did you when you

863
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: look for things to direct? Now? What it? What kind

864
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: of projects excite you? I love stuff it doesn't take

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Speaker 1: itself too seriously. Um. I love stuff that's a little

866
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: tongue in cheek, dramady you know. Um. I've always just

867
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Speaker 1: like been really taken with the Adam McKay's and David o'

868
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: russells of the world, where I think David old Russells

869
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: is probably the best example because he can like that

870
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: guy can tear you know, his movies can tear my

871
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 1: heart out and make me laugh hysterically at the same time.

872
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: And there's something about that seesaw that I really love

873
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: and gravitate towards. So um, yeah, so cool. I'm so

874
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: glad we got you to come on this show. Team. Yeah,

875
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: it's been a pleasure. Guys. Yeah. Is there anything you

876
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: have coming up that you want to talk about before

877
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: we spend our wheel and all that stuff? What besides,

878
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: everyone is doing great, which we talked about in our

879
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: last chat, But um, is there anything else you want

880
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: to Um? Yeah, I gotta film coming out here. I

881
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 1: don't know if it's coming out soon. It's called Red

882
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: right hand Um, some producers from our show, Ian and

883
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: National Films. Um, they directed that film. Um. Alex and

884
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 1: I are both in it. So that's that's one, and

885
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: we are. I want to give too much away, but

886
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 1: we're playing It's it's we get to do a departure

887
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: from what we usually do. So UM, so yeah, I'm

888
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: really excited about that. But other than that, I'm just like,

889
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,319
Speaker 1: we're just editing season two. Um, we'll be doing that

890
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: for the next like seven months in this in this room.

891
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 1: Actually it's going to be here any minute. I love

892
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: how collaborative you and your wife are, you know, And yeah,

893
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:05,720
Speaker 1: coming up in our industry, I didn't have industry parents.

894
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,880
Speaker 1: You didn't have industry parents, Like there was no example

895
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: for how you're supposed to formulate a relationship that makes

896
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: sense with the hours we work and with like the

897
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: weirdness of our job and so finding someone you can

898
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: collaborate with is vital. And I love that you guys

899
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: are doing all these projects together. She's cool, James. Yeah,

900
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, she's amazing. She's amazing. Thanks for saying that.

901
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: I think it's definitely, I mean, it's the only way

902
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: to survive in this industry too. I think like, if

903
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: you're going to be in this industry and have a

904
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 1: partner in this industry that has like the same job

905
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 1: as you, like, I feel like it's probably pretty easy

906
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: for it to get competitive, Like you got to go

907
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: the other way. You gotta just like lift each other

908
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: up and help each other out and work together. It's

909
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like it's the only way I

910
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: can't imagine doing any other way. You know, Well, it's

911
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: really special, and it's like it is to Hillary's point,

912
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: it's very inspiring because you know, especially for all of

913
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 1: us when we talk about the things that we share

914
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: in those nine years, like getting kind of yanked out

915
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 1: of your life for ten months a year can be

916
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: really disruptive. And to see the way that you guys

917
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 1: are literally building your life around being able to make

918
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: sure you can be in places together is awesome. And

919
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,279
Speaker 1: you guys are making such cool so like it's fun.

920
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: It's fun to root for you, you you know, as our

921
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: friend who is happy, and also to root for the

922
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: things that you two as partners are making. That's all

923
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: really really cool. And you know, I'm definitely a lucky

924
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: guy for surely. Yeah, And I want to say, you know,

925
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: on behalf of the three of us. I know, it

926
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: was like, you know, cats in a bag trying to

927
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: get all four of our schedules to line up to

928
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: get you on this show. Like the fans kept being like,

929
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: when's he coming, and we were like, we've literally been

930
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: working on it for a year, Like we've literally been

931
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 1: trying so hard. And the fact that you were able

932
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: to kind of scissor out this time for us this

933
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: morning and make sure you could be here with absolutely yeah. No.

934
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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have always been there for for

935
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: me and for us, and um, you know, I really

936
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: appreciate that, and I'm really happy for all of you

937
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: in the podcast, like it's such success and people love

938
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 1: it and it's um, it's it's really cool too. You know,

939
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,640
Speaker 1: you're not just doing this, you know all we feel

940
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: the rest of us from the show. We feel it

941
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,240
Speaker 1: as well, you know, like we're you know, I feel

942
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: the love from the show through your guys show, and

943
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: you've really brought it back around in a way that

944
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 1: I never knew was possible. And uh, that's that's really awesome.

945
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: So thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. But baby,

946
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 1: we got to spin a wheel. That's how you become

947
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: an official drama queen. We have to spin a wheel together.

948
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: We spin a wheel most likely too, like a yearbook

949
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: most likely too. So this week are superlative. You have

950
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: to pick one of our actor friends but also a character.

951
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 1: So this is perfect for today's conversation. Who's most likely

952
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: to babysit your kids? Who's the most likely to babysit

953
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: your kids? Uh? You know who has babysat my kids? Antoine.

954
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: When George was a baby, she would not sleep. She

955
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: just absolutely would not sleep. And Antoine and I were

956
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 1: doing a movie together and I watched him pick her up,

957
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: put her in one arm, like hold her in this

958
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: real weird way, and she was out in like two minutes.

959
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 1: And I was just like, what, Yeah, he has skills

960
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: literally literally Well knowing that, I feel like that'd be

961
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: a pretty safe choice. Um, but you know, I think

962
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Barbara Yea if she could give

963
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,279
Speaker 1: my kid like an ounce of the juju that her

964
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: kids have, and I feel like, yeah, the kid would

965
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 1: be fine, you know, like her what she's done with

966
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: her family and their their whole crew. Man, that's so cool. Um,

967
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,959
Speaker 1: that awesome. I mean, Barbara is just um, she's are

968
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: out of me, so she'll cry if she hears you, James.

969
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: She loves you so much. She's amazing. What character Hayley,

970
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: I'd say she's got yeah, I guess so yeah or

971
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: Karen or Karen Yeah yeah, Karen would be great like

972
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: not Rachel, not Rael, not Rachel Yeah, Dan Scott sweet.

973
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: All right, Well, next week we have episode four nineteen,

974
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:35,800
Speaker 1: and we are barreling towards graduation. We're almost out of

975
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: the high school years. James, I'm so glad that you

976
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: could come and be a part of high school with us.

977
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, really appreciate it. Hey, thanks for listening.

978
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Speaker 1: Don't forget to leave us a review. You can also

979
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:51,880
Speaker 1: follow us on Instagram at Drama Queens oth or email

980
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Speaker 1: us at Drama Queens at iHeartRadio dot com. See you

981
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: next time. We all about that high school draw. I'm

982
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: a girl drama girl, all about them high school queens.

983
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