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Speaker 1: November rolls around, you'll be making withdrawls. How about taking

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Speaker 1: in an inspiring movie on a quiet fall evening. I

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Speaker 1: have just the movie for you to watch. William H.

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Speaker 1: Macy is an Oscar and Golden Globe nominee, an Emmy

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Speaker 1: and Sagaborn witting actor and a writer in theater, film,

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Speaker 1: and television. His film career has been built on appearances

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Speaker 1: in small independent films, though he's also appeared in mainstream movies.

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Speaker 1: You probably know him for his Oscar nominated performance in Fargo,

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Speaker 1: or maybe as Frank Gallagher and Shameless, which ran from

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Speaker 1: My family and I got to watch him in a

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Speaker 1: movie that will be hitting theaters nationwide on October tenth,

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Speaker 1: Soul on Fire. It's inspired by the best selling memoir

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Speaker 1: on Fire, The Seven Choices to Ignite a radically inspired

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Speaker 1: life by John O'Leary. John survived near fatal burns from

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Speaker 1: One of the men that gave John O'Leary inspiration when

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Speaker 1: him autographed baseballs with notes. The condition for receiving more

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Speaker 1: twenty four. Welcome to Love Someone Today, and mister Macy,

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Speaker 1: I am so thrilled to have you on the show here.

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Speaker 1: Before we started recording, my podcast producer and I have

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Speaker 2: I guess right out of high school, I did a

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Speaker 1: How sad that it no longer exists. That's the kind

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Speaker 2: Half the people that went couldn't take it. They quit quickly.

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Speaker 2: They needed structure. They may have been hippies, they may

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Speaker 2: And if you didn't find that structure, you didn't last

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Speaker 2: with me saying this, that Jack was not a very

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Speaker 1: He couldn't be vulnerable to his own children, but he

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Speaker 2: Oh? Totally absolutely. I wonder what my daughters think about me. Well,

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Speaker 1: But how many series? How many series have you been

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about this film, Soul on Fire, based

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Speaker 1: It was handled very well, and boy did it open

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Speaker 1: That was so powerful. How many people in this world

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Speaker 1: And when the janitor was recognized, they said, infections kill

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Speaker 1: And the way they portrayed that because every time they

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Speaker 2: I know, I know, and I love that the people

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Speaker 2: It's a great story.

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Speaker 1: It's a lovely movie. It's a lovely, hopeful, inspiring movie.

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Speaker 1: It is a very powerful thing. There are so many

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what else I'd left in the movie.

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Speaker 2: Again.

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Speaker 2: You know what. Else was great And I think getting

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Speaker 1: Well. It was wonderful. You did a fabulous job. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not a sports fan at all, but man, do

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Speaker 2: An indefatigable knowledge not only of the team, but of

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Speaker 2: everybody's saying, I couldn't do that. If you put a

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Speaker 1: Stage and screen legend William H. Macy is with us

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm blessed. I picked the right profession and I've

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Speaker 1: So in the movie, he goes through a list of

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Speaker 2: Well and shows biz so Muslim have been sung.

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Speaker 1: Who's the janitor that kept your room clean? Who's the

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Speaker 2: My buddy Stephen Schacter, whom I met at Goddard, We've

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Speaker 2: I'll forever be In his debt, Dave Mammmett, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 2: I married really well, not unlike John. I was punching

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Speaker 1: And that's works out pretty well for you. How many

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Speaker 2: And who else. I had a good father, good father

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Speaker 2: And my adoptive family really is Felicity's family. I know

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Speaker 1: and God bless you and all you do. And I

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Thanks for talking to me. This

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Speaker 1: Thank you, honey, God bless you.

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Speaker 1: The John O'Leary, intertwined with his passion for baseball and

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Speaker 1: The film shows how courage, love and community can turn

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Speaker 1: tragedy into a life of impact. It's shot at real

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Speaker 1: ground viewing experience. It has an all star cast featuring

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Speaker 1: and to find a theater near you, visit Soul on

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Speaker 1: and YouTube at Soul on Fire Movie. After you've taken

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Speaker 1: you take my advice. Rest up, savor the delicious flavors

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Speaker 1: Start with yourself,