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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know mister young conyans finding because I
Speaker 1: was twenty years ago down there.
Speaker 3: You guys for having me. I'm a big fan. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what you guys are doing here? You know, wanted to
Speaker 3: be on this couch right here, somebody from Cornela. Let
Speaker 3: me ask you, how many times have you been to
Speaker 3: the Bronx growing up, growing up or in my adulthood? No,
Speaker 3: an adulthood is different because you could drive to the bright.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about being young having to take the train
Speaker 3: from Corney Island to the Bronx. How many times did
Speaker 3: you do that? Probably like zero to negative five exactly, somebody,
Speaker 3: I never want to take the truck. I want to
Speaker 3: turn twenty years what it is because we were talking
Speaker 3: I don't know how many weeks ago, but we were
Speaker 3: talking about how long the train ride is from uptown
Speaker 3: to Corney Island. That's like a two hour train. No,
Speaker 3: that's literally from like the start to the end. Bro,
Speaker 3: It's crazy. You get to you could take a flight
Speaker 3: I'm talking about from my door to my mother's doing Virginia.
Speaker 2: It's less than two hours.
Speaker 3: No, you could get in the car and drive to
Speaker 3: Philly and watch a Sixers game in the same amount
Speaker 3: of time it takes you to get on the train,
Speaker 3: especially if somebody jump on the track. That is something
Speaker 3: that that takes that long. Now is sick is a
Speaker 3: sick time. But like going to Corney Island was a
Speaker 3: thing like that was like a day. But we're like,
Speaker 3: are we going to Corney Island? Tomalls, go to Nathans
Speaker 3: As you should, you know what I'm saying. But I
Speaker 3: just wanted to know somebody being from Corney Island, how
Speaker 3: how many times did you make the voyage from Corney
Speaker 3: Island to the Bronx. The furthest we was going to
Speaker 3: the train was to Hollom, You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That was it right there, haul on the Bronx. And
Speaker 3: then when I was a kid, I was I was
Speaker 3: in trouble, so I couldn't go to like the school trips.
Speaker 2: If we went to the Bronx or something. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: saying I couldn't do that.
Speaker 3: I had no permission slips, So yeah, I would go
Speaker 3: to the Bronx zoo from now we probably would go
Speaker 3: to Brooklyn, but just in case, on the off chance
Speaker 3: if they might have wanted.
Speaker 2: To, I still couldn't go. Got you? She was fucked up?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 3: Well that's good to hear might have been from Corney
Speaker 3: Island that they never made that trip, just like we
Speaker 3: probably trip.
Speaker 2: Let's let's do a stream city Islands, Corny Island, this
Speaker 2: Summer City Island and Coney Island all public transportation. Yeah,
Speaker 2: how are you gonna have service to do that way?
Speaker 1: What's off to don? He's gonna give his free WiFi?
Speaker 2: That is true. I forget. I forgot that was part
Speaker 2: of his we'll get a free standing on.
Speaker 1: It's for the streamers of.
Speaker 2: It was free.
Speaker 3: It was the free grocery store that opened one day
Speaker 3: and closed. Right, Yeah, now that's closed, so then we'll
Speaker 3: get free Wi Fi on the subway as well.
Speaker 2: Got it? Crazy?
Speaker 1: Well, why I was excited to actually talk about this
Speaker 1: Patpoos fifty Mano Max b debacle is because we have
Speaker 1: Brooklyn bias. In here, and we have geune and bias,
Speaker 1: full geune and bias in here.
Speaker 3: I mean Max, Me and Max went to the same
Speaker 3: high school. So fair, I'll take Max in this fight.
Speaker 1: Okay, So we will not get an objective opinion from
Speaker 1: anyone in here, no whatsoever. Never I was talking to
Speaker 1: demeras off Mike, I'm really coming in here being objective.
Speaker 1: She does not think that. But I didn't mind the
Speaker 1: Mano diss. I didn't mind the pat poos one thought
Speaker 1: they were both cool. I'm just sick of twenty years
Speaker 1: hearing the same exact thing about fifty seven.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair. But if the Mara started shaking in
Speaker 2: her chair when I said.
Speaker 4: I did not start shaking in my chair. I just said,
Speaker 4: I'm tired of your bullshit. It because now suddenly every
Speaker 4: time where there's a rat battle, you have to hear
Speaker 4: some jaw dropping, jaw dropping new breaking news that you
Speaker 4: never heard before in order.
Speaker 1: For it to be so. He said he has herpes.
Speaker 1: That was kind of a just put lies in the
Speaker 1: in the We don't need facts. It been lies, just.
Speaker 3: What they said about fifty You got what herpies and
Speaker 3: what diabetes? I've never seen fifties medical records.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: First of all, diabetes shaming is funny. Yeah, that's being like,
Speaker 1: you know you got you got type one. I'm taking
Speaker 1: my ship like pancreous. They said that my mother ha
Speaker 1: type one, Like damn, we can't have the beats.
Speaker 2: No more where we add as a car.
Speaker 1: No, I'm not saying that. I don't think every battle
Speaker 1: needs to be post push and drake or U r L.
Speaker 1: Whill we find out where they went to hy school
Speaker 1: this and that. I'm just saying it's been the same
Speaker 1: exact rhymes for twenty years from everybody, fifty or not.
Speaker 1: When they can say you are yo, you only got
Speaker 1: shot five times, nine times, you're a snitch. You never
Speaker 1: really went to jail.
Speaker 2: I heard.
Speaker 3: I heard this for twenty years. The wait the shots
Speaker 3: is crazy? You got shot five times? Fan wasn't note.
Speaker 2: Like alright, cool, shoot me once in the face and
Speaker 2: you'll never hear the under.
Speaker 3: Like, all right, now, you only got shot five times?
Speaker 3: Stop saying nine all you got.
Speaker 2: It and listen, maybe that is true.
Speaker 1: They even interviewed the guy that was in the car
Speaker 1: with fifty and asked him that question straight up, and
Speaker 1: he's a friend of fifty, He's like, maybe he wasn't
Speaker 1: counting the shots. Yeah, like counting if I'm fifty, I'm
Speaker 1: counting an exit wound as another shot. If I get
Speaker 1: if it goes through my leg and there's two two,
Speaker 1: that's two two. I got shot twice. I got shot
Speaker 1: once here it went through and then I got shot
Speaker 1: again both sides. I'm adding up the exit wounds one
Speaker 1: hundred percent. But that still didn't if you that's still
Speaker 1: bad math. If you guys had five no one one
Speaker 1: maybe just wasn't in and stayed in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one was great. His story is getting better by
Speaker 2: the shot. I'll tell you that.
Speaker 3: And if you shoot at me nine times, I'm saying
Speaker 3: you shot at me like emptied the clip. That's imagine
Speaker 3: somebody shooting at you and you hit not you know
Speaker 3: you're adrenaline.
Speaker 2: You hurt Yo.
Speaker 3: The nigga shot at me twenty times, Like the number
Speaker 3: is gonna change for me and my start every year,
Speaker 3: the number changing.
Speaker 2: How long did it take to pull off?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 3: Like how you get that many shots of it's a lot,
Speaker 3: Like the key wasn't indignition, These wasn't like it's a
Speaker 3: long time.
Speaker 2: It's a long time. But the guy I think the
Speaker 2: guy's name is Deeve. I think that was his name.
Speaker 1: He was on cam copone in one of those platforms
Speaker 1: he was saying he was he was like turned around
Speaker 1: because they had to go the other way, so he
Speaker 1: was doing like a K turn and I think ran
Speaker 1: into the car of whoever.
Speaker 3: Was behind dude that was just driving.
Speaker 2: That motherfucker was bad. That that was crazy.
Speaker 1: And he backed up into i think the car with
Speaker 1: the shooter in it, and then was kind of like
Speaker 1: blocked off. And then the shots started, and he had
Speaker 1: his girl in the front. See, and I'm not going
Speaker 1: to pretend I'm like fucking Jason Bourne. If you start
Speaker 1: spraying on my car, I don't know if I'm going
Speaker 1: to be able to be vin diesel and get us
Speaker 1: out of there that quick. I might I might freeze
Speaker 1: up turned on somebody shooting laws.
Speaker 2: This is one way.
Speaker 1: No, I think he was blocked in because in the
Speaker 1: middle of the K turn he hit the car with
Speaker 1: the shooter in it, so he couldn't really.
Speaker 2: Get away closer to the at that point.
Speaker 1: So I mean, but again, shooting nine times in the car,
Speaker 1: that's a couple of second. That's a lot, like a
Speaker 1: very long time.
Speaker 3: Look at what we're debating them, look at this to
Speaker 3: the point of like if I get it's like, what
Speaker 3: else really is there to talk There's no new nothing, right,
Speaker 3: he's been out of the music business, so you can't
Speaker 3: talk about like what the sales is doing, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like, there's no new thing to talk about,
Speaker 3: so he just talking about the same old things.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of makes Demani's look more credible,
Speaker 1: even though them didn't say anything that was.
Speaker 2: Like super new.
Speaker 1: At least he did get into post fifties career and
Speaker 1: how he's moved and who he's put on fifty You
Speaker 1: could argue has moved somewhat selfish since since being selfless, Yeah,
Speaker 1: more or less, because I think he did do a
Speaker 1: lot for Thanks Jo and everyone, for sure, but he's
Speaker 1: he's definitely moved for him and maybe not for the culture.
Speaker 2: You could make a case. I'm not saying that you
Speaker 2: can make a case.
Speaker 1: I'd rather Pap get into that because I think Pap
Speaker 1: Foods is a great rapper that could come up with
Speaker 1: a good theory rather than dog like You're not as
Speaker 1: gangster as you say.
Speaker 2: You are.
Speaker 1: He's fucking fifty one years old and is shooting TV shows.
Speaker 1: Do you think anyone cares if he's.
Speaker 3: I think the thing is a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: have had as a writer as rapper, you know, you
Speaker 3: always have bars for whoever the top right, just in
Speaker 3: case the desicate it yourself where me and you're gonna
Speaker 3: get into it. So I think this is just the
Speaker 3: time where we're hearing all of these bars that these
Speaker 3: guys have had by these and now they got the
Speaker 3: chance to get it off, got it. So it's not
Speaker 3: about saying something new. This is shit they had here
Speaker 3: or they had written down for the last.
Speaker 1: Fifty just wait and just just in case it's waiting.
Speaker 1: Because he's a troll, he's a bully.
Speaker 3: Came in with that energy, so every rap had to
Speaker 3: be like, all right, if he ever come at me,
Speaker 3: I got some ten thousand percent, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I think that's what this is.
Speaker 3: I think these are just bars that these guys have
Speaker 3: already had, and now it's just the opportunity presented itself
Speaker 3: for them to get their shit off.
Speaker 1: Yeah again, I just think there should be another angle.
Speaker 1: I didn't mind Mano or patpoos is, to be quite honest,
Speaker 1: Tom's point about giving out new information. This is why
Speaker 1: rap battles are kind of funny when you step away
Speaker 1: from it outside looking in Happoo's saying, Fifty, why haven't
Speaker 1: you told the world you have herpes? Is one of
Speaker 1: the funniest things I ever. Can y'all tell me how
Speaker 1: fifty should have done his herpees?
Speaker 2: Reveal?
Speaker 1: Like but yo pass like yo, fifth, look at me?
Speaker 1: Why have you not told the world you had herpies? Bro?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: It sounds like a private matter to me.
Speaker 2: That's a wild question. I'm telling you has reached a
Speaker 2: whole different level.
Speaker 1: And he's like, dude, do an nba, young boy? Did
Speaker 1: you know? Young boys one of the craziest people ever
Speaker 1: just to rap the idiots herbies like. I give him
Speaker 1: respect for rapid his truth, but I don't think everyone
Speaker 1: is now owes us a rap about their their HSV. No.
Speaker 3: If I'm not having central intercourse with you, young lady,
Speaker 3: I don't need to know any of this information ever
Speaker 3: in my life.
Speaker 2: And and let's move does it matter? Does it matter
Speaker 2: if if somebody has herbies?
Speaker 1: What that explains me is especially active with someone you
Speaker 1: should know No, I mean yeah, but I'm saying, like
Speaker 1: to us, does it matter to us? Do we give
Speaker 1: a fuck? No?
Speaker 2: I literally, if you found.
Speaker 1: Out your favorite rapp had herbes when he made your
Speaker 1: favorite album, you think I'm a delete old music hurt
Speaker 1: ain't ismatic no more? Yeah, Like what that means? What
Speaker 1: then does that mean to me? I can't even hear
Speaker 1: nass like the same, Like I don't care who God Like,
Speaker 1: we could say that about all rap battles and we're
Speaker 1: being hypocrites here because it did not change my life
Speaker 1: when I found.
Speaker 2: Out that Drake had kid, but I was like, damn,
Speaker 2: push got him. Like, Okay, I.
Speaker 3: Get what you're saying, but all that battles, that's a
Speaker 3: little more groundbreaking news. Like you're doing all us running
Speaker 3: around with all the joints and all of that. You
Speaker 3: got a whole child that nobody knows about, like none
Speaker 3: of your fans, you know what I'm saying, Especially when
Speaker 3: he's the vulnerable rapper and he's the heart on his
Speaker 3: sleeve rapper to not talk about the birth of your
Speaker 3: child obviously a private matter, but you know, I think
Speaker 3: that was more like groundbreaking. Oh, Mike, he got a kid,
Speaker 3: Like for real, like it's a child. But it wasn't
Speaker 3: wild news. It was just more like, oh world, it
Speaker 3: was just shocking.
Speaker 1: I mean, fifty has rapped a lot about the injuries
Speaker 1: to his body. Why not it's pancreas or a sexually
Speaker 1: transmitted disease. If we're going through his track Recer, he
Speaker 1: does talk about.
Speaker 2: His body a lot. Is the fifty Max Be song real? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yall, the video is real?
Speaker 2: Too real? AI?
Speaker 1: That's no, that's just how wavy of maxes he can.
Speaker 1: I was in Tom Square. I was like, was that
Speaker 1: Max me?
Speaker 3: But seriously, though, because of this whole AI ship, like
Speaker 3: we gotta start asking those question.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
Speaker 3: When I saw the video, I didn't know if this
Speaker 3: song was real or not. Because the video, I was like,
Speaker 3: the video is fake?
Speaker 2: Is it a real?
Speaker 5: Joint?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, it maybe is it? Is it real? It's real?
Speaker 5: It's yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, it probably is.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to say with the confidence that
Speaker 1: the America is saying, because I've heard some some records
Speaker 1: I did not think were AI that were one thousand
Speaker 1: percent of AI.
Speaker 3: When fifty posted that video, the AI video, that's what
Speaker 3: made me think, like, hold on is this real? Because ween,
Speaker 3: it's this time now where you know people post sh
Speaker 3: it just making a joke, right, and it's like, all,
Speaker 3: is this a real song?
Speaker 2: Though? Like that's that's my only thing, Like is this
Speaker 2: a real song? Now?
Speaker 3: Obviously Fifty posted it, so I guess you could call
Speaker 3: that supporting the song. Max posted it too.
Speaker 2: Max posted, but but again, people troll.
Speaker 4: He's not He's not putting a fake song on his
Speaker 4: Vivo page.
Speaker 5: That's a real This is a real.
Speaker 2: He put it on he posted his vio.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, but I'm saying fifty could have done the
Speaker 1: AI audio as well as the video. It also would
Speaker 1: not shock me that fifty would take a fan made
Speaker 1: song at video put it on his.
Speaker 5: Not on his youth, not on his official youth.
Speaker 1: His hist y'all got fifty with the Maria and putting
Speaker 1: it on your Vivo makes it a little different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little that's more of like a youth
Speaker 3: stamping it like business. Yeah, because now you've goten counting
Speaker 3: streams and that goes into your monetary situation.
Speaker 1: I was I hate AI videos, but this one did
Speaker 1: make me laugh throughout the entire thing.
Speaker 2: It's like, god awful AI.
Speaker 3: That makes it funny, but we actually looking at you know,
Speaker 3: shit change in real time because now, like how much
Speaker 3: how much did it cost to create this AI video?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 3: like that's made though. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You have this whole AI video.
Speaker 4: We don't know who made it, probably free mind of
Speaker 4: where somebody made it. Somebody made the video for him
Speaker 4: for Yeah.
Speaker 1: So let's say fifty it took two liters of water
Speaker 1: from the Midwest to make that. What it does this
Speaker 1: is this is this Flint still doesn't have any.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're watching the land escape of entertainment change
Speaker 3: though it's a different time, Like this is a new
Speaker 3: element in battle rapping. That way, I could have this
Speaker 3: video done in an hour to my distrack team, right, Like,
Speaker 3: this is a whole different element of entertainment.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, entertain I'm glad you said entertainment somebody. It's
Speaker 1: not really going to change rap battling in any real way.
Speaker 1: It was just funny to watch, if you really think
Speaker 1: about it. I don't think serious.
Speaker 3: Was it fun with dre Day what they had a
Speaker 3: fake ease they had to fake easy e right, I
Speaker 3: can't remember old me name, but it's no different than that. Right,
Speaker 3: Like before you get actors that look like somebody, then
Speaker 3: cam have like Jimmy Walker man when he.
Speaker 2: Was different dish in Jay.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, And you don't have to
Speaker 3: cast anybody.
Speaker 2: You could just type it in. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So it's really an exention of that what it technology
Speaker 3: is at.
Speaker 1: I will say as much as fifty doesn't take anything serious,
Speaker 1: if I'm Mano, I would kind of feel a way,
Speaker 1: if you're doing an A I shouldn't be getting cut
Speaker 1: in prison.
Speaker 2: The other ship was all just kind of ha.
Speaker 1: But like you you typed in Mano get and cut
Speaker 1: in prison to make an AI video.
Speaker 2: Well, fifty didn't make the video. He posted it. He
Speaker 2: co signed it, Okay, but he's saying he made it.
Speaker 2: He didn't make this video.
Speaker 3: He just somebody made it send it to him like,
Speaker 3: oh this is dope A right, I'm gonna post it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's still co signing.
Speaker 3: I mean he wrapped it. You worried about the visual.
Speaker 1: He rapped I'm not. I mean, it's that all right. Whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying out of everything that he said was
Speaker 1: kind of lols. I don't know how Mano really actually
Speaker 1: took that entire thing, even though this record seems light
Speaker 1: and Mano was just, you know, replying.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he.
Speaker 3: Feel like, listen, man, this is what this is what
Speaker 3: happens when you jump in the battle ring. If y'all
Speaker 3: want to battle each other, y'all wan to go at
Speaker 3: each other, which requires disrespect, then that's the art of it.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about things that happened to you.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about things that you did, things
Speaker 3: that you didn't do. Like, that's what all of this is.
Speaker 3: So that's not out of bounds for fifty to rap
Speaker 3: about that.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't say it was out of bound. I
Speaker 1: just I was wondering if that was something that you
Speaker 1: just didn't want to say. That may not.
Speaker 2: I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just not sure if Mano thought that was maybe
Speaker 1: outside of the l O ls in our rap battle Oh.
Speaker 2: No, this is no battle. Yeah, battle once.
Speaker 3: Is old, gloves is off. Aren't see that it's done.
Speaker 3: It ain't no rules and no women and children not
Speaker 3: everything on the table.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just not I'm just not sure.
Speaker 1: If Mato season, that's well that way, that's all, But
Speaker 1: I mean, where where does this land are we going
Speaker 1: to continue? Is? I actually think Dave's got the biggest
Speaker 1: diss out of the entire thing. He started the intro
Speaker 1: talking about everyone was like, I'm not even talking about
Speaker 1: you and then put Dave's face up there. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: was the first person I thought we were going to
Speaker 1: hear from, like, well, I'm not even worthy to be.
Speaker 3: Doing well because there's no there's no I mean, fifty
Speaker 3: probably wasn't even really rapping the more when Dave started dropping,
Speaker 3: so it's like, I don't even then.
Speaker 1: But Day was in that that cipher that they did
Speaker 1: for their podcast We're Fabos the podcast.
Speaker 3: If they weren't doing a podcast, they wouldn't have been
Speaker 3: a part of that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but do you think that's not a diss though
Speaker 1: to Dave. Yes, yeah, it's a slight ship. It's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're not he not even talking to me.
Speaker 3: But I don't know if David sitting back like nah,
Speaker 3: say something to me, I don't know if that's okay.
Speaker 1: What Demani and King were around when Fifty was rapping
Speaker 1: and they caught a bar on the power intro, even
Speaker 1: though fifty is lying to us to say.
Speaker 2: He wasn't talking about them, he was talking about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but once fifty posted a picture of their mom,
Speaker 3: you can only expect that those guys are going to
Speaker 3: jump in the ring.
Speaker 2: Especially if they rap big facts. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean so at that point, fifty kind of sort
Speaker 3: of pulled them into it by posting a picture of
Speaker 3: that mom. So they were like, all right, I wrap,
Speaker 3: I got some balls for fifty. But with Dave, it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. Fifty don't have he don't probably
Speaker 3: never even met Davies.
Speaker 1: No, I'm sure.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he probably didn't. I don't know what
Speaker 3: fifty be around with Dave yet, do.
Speaker 1: We think Dave or Fab replies Fab, yes, they. I
Speaker 1: don't know if East is going to respond though, I
Speaker 1: think he's in quad right now. But why though right now.
Speaker 3: Nobody's fifty didn't say nothing to all that about him?
Speaker 3: Is well, because that's what is that cloud see by association?
Speaker 2: But is it cloud chasing?
Speaker 3: If if he's put out a record and Fifty's say
Speaker 3: nothing about him, is he inserting himself into it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Horse, I mean god, that.
Speaker 1: Was out of that and we already know it's unsafe
Speaker 1: to do that with fifty see choking over here.
Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. But is that not cloud chasing?
Speaker 1: No? If they be like, nah, fuck that you put
Speaker 1: my face in your video and said I'm not even
Speaker 1: worthy of dissing, you know what I'm saying, You're.
Speaker 2: Not worthy of dissing. That's disrespect.
Speaker 1: If he's randomly distant.
Speaker 3: Before, I'm just asking the room, is that disrespect somebody
Speaker 3: like you're not even you're not even worth disrespecting?
Speaker 2: No disrespect. Okay, so I got to go make a record.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you got to go make
Speaker 3: a rick, but you know what I'm saying, I should
Speaker 3: go make it.
Speaker 4: Even the clock like we're not watching the clock, but
Speaker 4: you know, if the hands start moving like niggas, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We ain't got unplugged. So I'm just trying to. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to.
Speaker 1: You know, doesn't reply, I wouldn't think anything. But if
Speaker 1: he does, I'd be like, yeah, I get it, yeah exactly,
Speaker 1: which is a composition to be in.
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I don't think he should though, Nah.
Speaker 1: For what I mean, how much did he really say
Speaker 1: about fab Besides that, the video made it worse because
Speaker 1: it was it was mainly Mano throughout it, But like,
Speaker 1: was the fab shit that that crazy? It was the
Speaker 1: video that made it nuts to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Fab already put out a record going with me,
Speaker 2: so it's.
Speaker 1: Just on the turn out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's on is lit? This Fab care enough?
Speaker 1: I was actually shocked fabcard enough to do the first one.
Speaker 3: I was probably just itching the rap anyway. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: want to wrap. I wouldn't want to get his ship off.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, here's a series called Sultape, Go wrap did
Speaker 1: heat tape? That's twenty twenty six. That's what we are.
Speaker 3: But where is And I asked you this last week, no,
Speaker 3: maybe two weeks ago. Now where does this ship end?
Speaker 3: That's that's the real question. Where does this ship? I
Speaker 3: was to be like, nah, I'm like, where is this end?
Speaker 2: Is all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Well, when I was talking to you about it, it
Speaker 4: was just the Harris family involved.
Speaker 2: Everybody else was. But this was before that. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: this started before the Yeah, this was this was with
Speaker 2: Jim and Mayno, in fact, this was before Yeah, but
Speaker 2: I thought that was over.
Speaker 3: This is okay, So it's been three months we back. Now,
Speaker 3: so now, what like when is this? Because that's why
Speaker 3: I was like, I didn't think fifth because I told
Speaker 3: you I didn't think fifty was gonna respond, and I
Speaker 3: think he was gonna rap. I think I think he
Speaker 3: was going to make music. I thought he was gonna
Speaker 3: keep patrolling. You know what I'm saying, because that's what
Speaker 3: fifty does. He's a troll, like he'd say shit on
Speaker 3: this on on on social media. He did the clever
Speaker 3: move of you know, even though he did say that
Speaker 3: that wasn't about uh, he's a liar, right, But didn't
Speaker 3: I tell y'all, I said, now, if t I jump
Speaker 3: out there and respond to that bar, we just spoke
Speaker 3: about this in the last episode. I said, he didn't
Speaker 3: say no names. We don't know what the New Power
Speaker 3: where it's gonna be based at. It could have some
Speaker 3: Atlanta times in the New Power.
Speaker 2: We don't know that. Y'all was like, nah, fuck that. Okay.
Speaker 3: Now fifty comes out and says that that wasn't that
Speaker 3: wasn't directed said.
Speaker 1: It wasn't about the Cosbys, which is a crazy thing
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: That's very so I said, Fifty says it, y'all like, nah,
Speaker 2: y'all not jacking that fifty Lion.
Speaker 3: He's lying, all right, Cool, y'all could think he's lying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying he said it. So now I'm saying,
Speaker 3: does t I respond to that again?
Speaker 1: A massive question because he already said he was done
Speaker 1: with it already. Oh yeah, So I think this this
Speaker 1: ends when fifty starts focusing on the TI and Tiny Doc.
Speaker 1: Whatever Fifty's about to promote is when it ends. Fifty's
Speaker 1: going to drag this as long as you think this
Speaker 1: ends when he puts the doc. Oh, I think I
Speaker 1: gonna get no, no, no, I'm saying this Domino Oka,
Speaker 1: Max b Patpoo's Jim Jones, Like, I think this this
Speaker 1: chapter is just an interlude until he gets to the
Speaker 1: TI and Tiny Doc.
Speaker 2: Got it?
Speaker 1: Okay, this is to fill some time. Like you said,
Speaker 1: I'm the algorithms. Everyone have to talk about me, which
Speaker 1: I mean isn't the case, but it's a fun thing
Speaker 1: to say. Yeah, I think this ends when fifty moves
Speaker 1: on to his next thing.
Speaker 2: Yo, doing a doc is really crazy. Doing another doc
Speaker 2: paron just crazy?
Speaker 1: Yo?
Speaker 2: Why is that great?
Speaker 3: Like that's what the game has gone to, Like we're
Speaker 3: doing documentaries about well he's not.
Speaker 2: He's not.
Speaker 3: Fifty is in a whole different space of entertainment now.
Speaker 3: He came in as a troll right with how to Rob.
Speaker 3: How to Rob was like one of the biggest troll
Speaker 3: records ever for sure. So he came in with that
Speaker 3: energy like I'll go at anybody. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: I don't I'm not here to be friends with any
Speaker 3: of yard. I don't fuck with none of y'all like that.
Speaker 3: That's always been Fifty's energy. Now that he's in a
Speaker 3: different space in his life when it comes to entertainment,
Speaker 3: it was the same trolling, just in a different It's
Speaker 3: the same energy, but he's just delivering it differently. So
Speaker 3: it's like it's like it's like a disc record, right,
Speaker 3: It's just ain't no music behind eight it's just eight episodes.
Speaker 3: It's like, all, yo, this is these are the people. Look,
Speaker 3: these are the nasty guys that y'all support. I could
Speaker 3: have said this in a rap, Yeah, Fifty could have
Speaker 3: said all of this in a rap. Yes, but he's
Speaker 3: probably looking at it like, I don't even rap like
Speaker 3: that no more. I'm creating shows, which is why him
Speaker 3: putting that bar that rightfully. So everybody felt like was
Speaker 3: tailored towards TI. In the intro song to the New
Speaker 3: Power that was genius.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 2: It was like, yo, right, this is how I'm gonna respond,
Speaker 2: Like people talk, y'all.
Speaker 3: Gonna hear this song every week, every episode, y'all gonna
Speaker 3: hear this song clever, right, But that's part of his brand.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 3: Business is part of the show for sure with the
Speaker 3: documentary coming off. For the documentary he just did about
Speaker 3: the Diddy doc that was number one in how many countries,
Speaker 3: Like it's about business for fifty because this is at
Speaker 3: the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's wild to hear.
Speaker 3: Certain things this record, and sometimes people say things at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's all entertainment though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now the doc is like, that's not.
Speaker 3: That we aren't gonna sit around and turn on our
Speaker 3: TV and watch it like we want to be even
Speaker 3: though it's things we're gonna hear like damn, like that's crazy,
Speaker 3: But it's still a form of entertainment.
Speaker 2: It's still a documentary that we're learning about things.
Speaker 3: Like some of the things that are being said maybe
Speaker 3: a little funny, it might be some jokes in there,
Speaker 3: but it's like at the end of the day, this
Speaker 3: is all entertainment.
Speaker 2: This is but this is fifties. This is the area
Speaker 2: that he's in.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I never thought that hip hop would take it this far?
Speaker 2: But is it crazy? Really?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: Like this is who he Now.
Speaker 1: If this is the first Top fifty ever did a
Speaker 1: documentary or ever did anything like in that lane with television,
Speaker 1: then it would be like, yo, what he doing?
Speaker 3: Like, but he's been in television the Vigin of the
Speaker 3: BF DVD. Yeah, so he's been in He's been in
Speaker 3: television for how many years now? He's produced how many
Speaker 3: shows and things like? So this is part of his
Speaker 3: you know, the way he can choose to respond. Now,
Speaker 3: I don't think it's anything crazy about that.
Speaker 1: Which side of y'all on with the dandy part and
Speaker 1: now to be the TI thing that he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done these docks had he not had an issue with
Speaker 1: those people. Where do y'all land on? I don't want
Speaker 1: to say morally, but how that how that looks like?
Speaker 3: Okay, I understand that, Like if he didn't have an
Speaker 3: issue with with with Diddy, or if he didn't have
Speaker 3: this latest thing with TI, maybe he wouldn't have gotten
Speaker 3: that but I mean, yeah, that's the way he chooses
Speaker 3: to respond.
Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I mean we briefly talked about it with
Speaker 1: the Diddy one, Like, yeah, do I think that fifty
Speaker 1: did that to Spike Diddy based off their history and
Speaker 1: his baby mother?
Speaker 2: Yes, But I do think the information that was in that.
Speaker 1: In that entire series should have been out there. Like
Speaker 1: I'm glad that info is out there now about Puff.
Speaker 1: Was it done based off nasty intentions from Fifty?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: But I think the world needs to know these things
Speaker 1: about some of our biggest entertainers.
Speaker 3: A fucking documentary can come out every day. The game
Speaker 3: is this nastyr Niggas is super nasty. I was the
Speaker 3: bull for years. So it only it only sees the
Speaker 3: light of day when you have you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: you have a running when you have an issue with
Speaker 3: a person, because then that makes you responsible in some
Speaker 3: regard because if you have this information, whether you got
Speaker 3: an issue with that person or not, if you have
Speaker 3: this information and the platform to get it out there
Speaker 3: and the means to do it, then why not do
Speaker 3: it for the greater good?
Speaker 2: I would? I think it's different.
Speaker 3: I think fifty, just because he's in television. I think
Speaker 3: people through back channels reach out and say, hey, somebody
Speaker 3: has this TI documentary that they put together. Yeah, fifty
Speaker 3: is just executive producing. They're putting money behind it and
Speaker 3: putting it on a platform.
Speaker 1: And that's why I think happened with the Diddy want
Speaker 1: to I don't. I don't think so they started up
Speaker 1: the director works for puffing one.
Speaker 3: Nobody said I got the Harvey Weinstein joint cooked up.
Speaker 3: You want to get behind it?
Speaker 2: Post?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well here's how they would call Harvey. They didn't
Speaker 1: have anyone, right, I don't think that.
Speaker 3: I don't think those people reached out to fifty now
Speaker 3: when it's rappers, right, and then you have somebody that's
Speaker 3: already in the world of television like fifty is, and
Speaker 3: then somebody said, yo, you know they got a little
Speaker 3: beef right now, it's like, oh shit, well let's hit
Speaker 3: him up and see if he'll and fifty.
Speaker 2: Is like, hell, yeah, I put the money and did
Speaker 2: he shot all of this?
Speaker 3: This this footage the camera guy that he was like, wait,
Speaker 3: I don't have to shoot nothing but a couple of
Speaker 3: interviews in now, oh this is a layup. So you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, so I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 3: but at the same time, it's like, this is docu.
Speaker 3: This is stuff that is already being done, like fifties,
Speaker 3: just coming in at the tail end of it, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'll put some money behind it, put executive produce a
Speaker 3: credit on it, and let's put it out.
Speaker 1: And it's funny you bring that up, because this was
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, a very very very big
Speaker 1: publication reached out to me based off some stuff we
Speaker 1: said on our podcast about an entertainer, and they wanted
Speaker 1: to quote, and it appeared like they had an entire
Speaker 1: article ready to go about some of the sexual misconducts
Speaker 1: of this person. And I never heard anything again, and
Speaker 1: every now and they'd be like, damn, it's been like
Speaker 1: almost three years since they had this entire big publication,
Speaker 1: had this entire thing ready to go, and it never
Speaker 1: came out. So to your point, I do think there
Speaker 1: are a lot of people sitting around with ready to
Speaker 1: go articles, documentaries all that, just waiting for the right
Speaker 1: time to capitalize with the most amount of money, be like, hey,
Speaker 1: I see what's going on over here. Just let you
Speaker 1: know this is already done. We can get this out
Speaker 1: in two weeks. So yeah, I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that have docs waiting on them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not mad at fifty for executive producing these.
Speaker 3: I mean, at the end of the day, it's it's
Speaker 3: the business that he's in now. It's just as a
Speaker 3: hip hop fan, as a as an MC and a
Speaker 3: hip hop fan. It's a different route. It's not a
Speaker 3: route that I thought we would see artists taking, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. But yeah, I guess it's the
Speaker 3: evolution of the dissim it's the evolution of fifty though. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: he's not just an MC. He's not just a rap anymore.
Speaker 3: He's an executive producer in television and film. He's an actor,
Speaker 3: he's you know, he's a lot of things. It's not
Speaker 3: just this ain't just booboo just going into booth rapping.
Speaker 2: This is not this is not that.
Speaker 3: And fifty probably look at it like he's too old
Speaker 3: to probably still be trying to really rap like that
Speaker 3: unless he got a TV show, unless you got it,
Speaker 3: But they give that that's part of his business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not, but we're not mad at that.
Speaker 3: Like he's given us classic intros to those to those
Speaker 3: to those uh to those shows. So it's like, if
Speaker 3: that's the way he chooses to respond and do his
Speaker 3: business now, which is the business that he's in.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, you gotta respect it.
Speaker 1: And my crazy to say it is kind of the
Speaker 1: natural evolution from the DVD era where recipes Shorty low
Speaker 1: is walking through TI's projects and asking where he's at,
Speaker 1: Like is it just that evolution of when rappers were
Speaker 1: beaver that do diss records, then they do something on
Speaker 1: a DVD or on YouTube, we go to the neighborhood
Speaker 1: Like this is kind of the natural.
Speaker 2: Evolution same of that.
Speaker 3: So now what if all of our favorite rappers or
Speaker 3: upcoming rappers start doing documentaries like everybody that got a problem,
Speaker 3: Like if Ken Drake and Drake was it was it
Speaker 3: rap songs, if it was documentaries, that's wild, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it's wild because it would be wild if because
Speaker 3: we've never seen a documentary from those guys, Like if
Speaker 3: that was the first documentary.
Speaker 2: Ites like what are they doing?
Speaker 3: But now the president is there, so now the door
Speaker 3: is open for people to do that. If it's the
Speaker 3: evolution of it's just another lane of entertainment like when
Speaker 3: Jay did summer summer jam and he had the pictures
Speaker 3: of Prodigy, right, It's like, oh shit, that was the
Speaker 3: first time a lot of people saw those pictures, right, right,
Speaker 3: So now let's just put the documented Let's let's interview
Speaker 3: the ballet teacher that.
Speaker 2: Was on that project that I'm just saying, yeah, but
Speaker 2: I'm just d yeah.
Speaker 3: But imagine if Jay went that route though, Like we're
Speaker 3: gonna go and it's like it's still and it's funny,
Speaker 3: let's laugh, But it's like, what's wrong with a kid,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know how probably maybe six seven
Speaker 3: years old.
Speaker 2: And dance class, Like, what's wrong with that? Good?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: If thes is good, if he left, if he left
Speaker 2: the infamous video set and then went to go to ballet,
Speaker 2: then it's like, yo, what pe doing? Like you know, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like now that's kind of like but as a
Speaker 2: six seven.
Speaker 3: Eight year old, it's like it was shock value and
Speaker 3: it was a chink right in the almah right, and
Speaker 3: did something to his credibility the street dude, because the
Speaker 3: street dudes, I know never took ballet, right, So as
Speaker 3: a street dude, that is you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I ain't super and nigga get shot stagged.
Speaker 2: You was in it, you know, I mean and it
Speaker 2: did shoes. We get it. We look at you at
Speaker 2: a different light.
Speaker 3: But it's so crazy because it's like as six years
Speaker 3: why would you look at that in different life?
Speaker 2: That's what that's like. I had a choice. I had
Speaker 2: a choice. That's six years old, and tell my mom,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to dance.
Speaker 1: Also, why we don't care about facts? He put up
Speaker 1: the said, I got the uh your ballery, I got
Speaker 1: the pictures. I seen you. He put the photo up.
Speaker 1: He's not dressed as a ballerina. Define he dresses Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: There's not a ballerina in sight. He's literally dressed like
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. And we all were like, yo, you're a ballerina.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a good point. That's a good That
Speaker 1: was Halloween about that was Halloween fail?
Speaker 2: That's crazy. He ain't like thriller. Yeah, that was Halloween,
Speaker 2: which expected me. I was Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: I'm sure was Michael Jackson. Halloween.
Speaker 2: Definitely Michael Jackson.
Speaker 1: Everybody was at one. It was to Michael Jackson. He
Speaker 1: probably was Mike and beat It Mike me different albums. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see where this goes.
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Speaker 1: I want to say we were completely wrong about the
Speaker 1: Jackharlow announcement.
Speaker 2: It's a song.
Speaker 3: No, the album is coming out tonight tonight. Well it's
Speaker 3: out now when they're yes, We thought we were getting.
Speaker 1: Like three singles before the entire thing we got no music,
Speaker 1: nine songs. I'm kind of shocked.
Speaker 2: Jack to the short albums.
Speaker 1: But after three years of just like one or two records,
Speaker 1: no real single, that's not really how Jack's formula has
Speaker 1: been in the past five to seven years.
Speaker 2: That's risky, risky or just a different approach. Why is
Speaker 2: it risky? Why do you say risky a.
Speaker 1: Different approach as always risky when uh, yeah, I guess.
Speaker 3: I guess it's just something different for your audience, something
Speaker 3: that they're not used to you doing. So it's it's risky.
Speaker 3: But I think that we just spoke about it non songs.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that though. I kind of like
Speaker 3: Jack just giving us that non songs. I don't know
Speaker 3: what this sounds like. I love the video he gave us,
Speaker 3: was that last year when he was walking through Manhattan,
Speaker 3: like shinead O'Connor, like any of those songs that he
Speaker 3: dropped those Lucy's on the track Listen is a song
Speaker 3: titles out there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have the track list up. It appears that
Speaker 1: none of the records that came out, not even the
Speaker 1: just Us Dojakat single is on this. So nine brand
Speaker 1: new songs off the whim Why say this is risky
Speaker 1: because if you go with Come Home the Kids Missu,
Speaker 1: which is one thirteen. Again, I'm not a numbers person.
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck. If the music is good,
Speaker 1: the music is good, I don't care. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: how risky it can what you pulled up the numbers
Speaker 1: because Jack Harlow is an artist that has entered that
Speaker 1: world when you're making records like nail Tech. Even if
Speaker 1: that wasn't Jack's purpose when he went in the studio,
Speaker 1: He's now entered the world where numbers do matter when
Speaker 1: you're making records like that. And I thought it was
Speaker 1: actually kind of great that he put out Paul's jack
Speaker 1: Man right after Come Home the Kids Missu because he
Speaker 1: was getting put in that TikTok teeny bopper rapper shit
Speaker 1: and he's like, nah, a rap for real. And that
Speaker 1: was cool that it sold thirty four thousand, which is
Speaker 1: great but not coming off one thirteen.
Speaker 2: But it was a mixtape. I felt like it was like,
Speaker 2: let me just throw this out, no promotion. What's I
Speaker 2: didn't know? I mean again, not that it matters. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that it didn't do.
Speaker 1: I didn't have any singles. It was similar to just
Speaker 1: putting out something like that, but it felt like one
Speaker 1: of those hey just a reminder I could wrap. It
Speaker 1: was all Chipmunk's soul samples, like I think it was
Speaker 1: trying to win back crowds like meat.
Speaker 2: That was like I remember when you.
Speaker 1: Used to like rap rap. I like jack Man a lot.
Speaker 1: I hated the title, but you know, wow, I would
Speaker 1: never say it. It's a wild title. So after Come
Speaker 1: Home the Kids Miss You was about three four years ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you being in the A list rap category,
Speaker 1: it's kind of crazy to just put out a nine
Speaker 1: track shit with no single.
Speaker 2: But he put out like a couple of Lucy So
Speaker 2: does that not start the rollout?
Speaker 1: It did, But like when he did what Maul was
Speaker 1: talking about to Set You Free and Tranquility stuff when
Speaker 1: he was in the city. Then I thought when he
Speaker 1: put out just Us with Doja Cat, like, oh all right,
Speaker 1: we're starting, and I really fucked with that record, but
Speaker 1: it was still closer to the nail tech stuff and
Speaker 1: like all right, the labels like, hey guy, we know
Speaker 1: you like to rap, but come on, let's sell some units.
Speaker 2: That was what year did that Dojah catch? That was
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, yeah, about the year ago.
Speaker 1: That was a lot that didn't last long enough to
Speaker 1: then go into an album. This is a completely different project,
Speaker 1: so I think it's it's risky. I'm excited. I'm excited
Speaker 1: because it is this rollout and maybe it's nothing like
Speaker 1: come home the Kids Miss You, But we'll see.
Speaker 2: We've seen this done though.
Speaker 3: We've seen like the pre album rollout extensive, and we've
Speaker 3: seen the post album roll out. Sometimes you got a
Speaker 3: factor in like what's going to be more beneficial? Is
Speaker 3: it really like setting it up and then it drops
Speaker 3: and you do a little bit and then you go
Speaker 3: on to roll or is it like drop the music,
Speaker 3: see what people gravitating towards, and then't.
Speaker 2: Do your rollout while the music is out.
Speaker 3: So now every time somebody discovers a new conversation or
Speaker 3: what have you, they go right to it and now
Speaker 3: you're up your running up the streams.
Speaker 1: I think post these days is way, way, way more important.
Speaker 1: But with artists like Jack, artists like Bruno Mars on
Speaker 1: this last project that really didn't know no pre shit,
Speaker 1: no real like one single that was two weeks away
Speaker 1: from the project, you see difference and numbers matter with
Speaker 1: those types of artists now, like someone like Dochi post
Speaker 1: promo is so important to her because she was still
Speaker 1: on the come up and then TD locked in like
Speaker 1: not everyone knows this girl, So let's put something out
Speaker 1: and then work the records that are on this project.
Speaker 1: That's the best strategy with artists like that. But you
Speaker 1: need both when you're someone like Jack Carlow.
Speaker 2: I think Jack, I think this is a.
Speaker 3: An interesting position for Jack because I think this project,
Speaker 3: based on what it sounds like, it's gonna tell us
Speaker 3: which direction they really trying to go with Jack.
Speaker 2: Is he rap? Is he more pop star? Like? What
Speaker 2: are you? Where is he going?
Speaker 3: Because when you have a song with Dojah, now everybody
Speaker 3: can get a Doja feature, right, you have one of
Speaker 3: the biggest songs in one of the projects with Drake,
Speaker 3: and then you have you know what I'm saying success
Speaker 3: like you said with Nail Cheking those types of songs, and.
Speaker 2: Your feature with Drake ends with him saying you know,
Speaker 2: Jack is the next one up. Yeah. But so now
Speaker 2: this project non songs. What does this sound like? Is
Speaker 2: this rap rap? Is this you know, more rap? Pop?
Speaker 2: You singing?
Speaker 3: Is it more melodic? Is it more like I think
Speaker 3: this project is important for Jack's his sound because it's
Speaker 3: like we still don't know which route Jack haller with,
Speaker 3: Like we don't know where we place him yet.
Speaker 2: Or where they're allowing him to go.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like because there's so much
Speaker 3: Paul's riding on it, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 3: you got you know what, we know what Atlantic does?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, You got Jen Now? Obviously
Speaker 3: they got they say in it. Obviously those guys not
Speaker 3: to make incredible records and make history. So it's like,
Speaker 3: or does Jack finally have the freedom to do whatever
Speaker 3: he wants to do on this project? You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like we really got to listen to the
Speaker 3: music and see because it really you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: it's like the Triple stands, it could go in any direction.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because I mean even with Jen now, like
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't sign Jack when he was making
Speaker 1: music like nail Tech like the Sweet Action though that
Speaker 1: was just Jack rapping. To me, I feel like Jack
Speaker 1: is more paulse Jackman than he is the nail Tech stuff.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: That's where I'm I'm on most out of like This
Speaker 1: is going to be kind of the defining fork in
Speaker 1: the road for you of do you want to follow
Speaker 1: the year the next up darling rapper or do you
Speaker 1: want to just keep rapping and with no rollout? Though
Speaker 1: makes me feel like Jack is like Dough. I don't
Speaker 1: really want to do that.
Speaker 3: Other shit, just rapping, Like I think I can make
Speaker 3: a nice career well for a rapper, for a guy
Speaker 3: who can rap, you know what I'm saying, Like we've
Speaker 3: seen early on his music, his YouTube videos, etc. For
Speaker 3: a guy who can really rap. When they start saying, yo,
Speaker 3: you rapping like Drake or you Drake Light. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, that like does something to your ego
Speaker 3: that's like I'd get busy, not just say that Drake
Speaker 3: can get busy.
Speaker 2: But we know what that means when they say that
Speaker 2: that connotation. So yeah, he might be rebelling. He might
Speaker 2: be bucking against the system, like now let me just rap,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Because I think, I mean, it's incredible and deserve that
Speaker 1: he does like Barclay Center. But I'm sure he probably
Speaker 1: got a little bit of the Steve Lacy feeling when
Speaker 1: he was going to his shows on that last tour
Speaker 1: of like, this is a lot of TikTok kids. This
Speaker 1: is not really who I set out to rap for.
Speaker 1: I don't think Jack is that. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: just chasing fame or whatever new record. I think he
Speaker 1: really just loves to rap. So maybe he's making that decision.
Speaker 1: I saw who was showing up to my shows, and
Speaker 1: of course my core was there. But you can't just
Speaker 1: have a core sellout Barclay Center unless you're fucking J Cole.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm sure he looked at that crowd and
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, it's a lot of TikTok children in here,
Speaker 1: and I can't sustain that for the rest of my career.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough for Jack though, Like, if we're
Speaker 2: being honest, it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: Why because this is all right when you're a white rapper. Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you, bro.
Speaker 3: It's only it's like, Bro, I don't you can't come
Speaker 3: in here and try to like Eminem krap.
Speaker 2: But he was on TRL a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, Eminem was a pop star. So this is
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So Jack can't fight, he can't buck
Speaker 3: against the system.
Speaker 1: I got it pop, But Jack did something that I
Speaker 1: don't think any white rapper has ever done. Correct me wrong,
Speaker 1: coming off the cover. I don't think I've ever heard
Speaker 1: a white rapper play at the club, play at a kickback,
Speaker 1: play at the party. Jack Carlow is the only white
Speaker 1: rapper I know that I could throw on around a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of girls. Is he more Mac Miller?
Speaker 1: Matt Mack with a certain type of chick that I
Speaker 1: would particularly like to hang out with. Would definitely fuck
Speaker 1: with Mac if I threw it on in the car.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if I go with the i G Batties,
Speaker 1: if I'm on a boat in Miami, I've never heard
Speaker 1: a white rapper play the way Little Baby plays at
Speaker 1: a spot. I've never seen a white rapper do that.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, that's the point. That's the point I've never
Speaker 2: thought about. Of course, there's women that like other white rabbit.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that.
Speaker 2: But but if you're it's the music, Yeah, nail strip
Speaker 2: clubs like everything? Was it the first class that record? Yeah,
Speaker 2: the first class like those just pop like first classify.
Speaker 1: They're sampling pop record. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying, it's like he gotta go pop.
Speaker 3: Maybe he the pop, Larry June.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Like women like Larry, women love Larry. They listen to
Speaker 3: Larry June. They like Larry June, they like your style.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And it's like, Okay, Larry,
Speaker 3: he got some bars, but Larry is more cool here,
Speaker 3: shit talker. I don't really look at Larry JUNI to
Speaker 3: bar you down. He gonna just talk fly shit. You're
Speaker 3: gonna talk shit on every song. Sound it's gonna sound cool,
Speaker 3: You're gonna look cool. I don't know if Jack want
Speaker 3: to be that, if you want to be Mac Miller,
Speaker 3: if you want to be Drake, if he want to be.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he tried with Come Home to Kids,
Speaker 1: Miss You to capitalize on the moment he had with
Speaker 1: the two big singles and still try to make music
Speaker 1: that he liked, Like he brought Pharrell on and tried
Speaker 1: to do his Pharrell ship, Like he tried to find
Speaker 1: a good balance, and I think he got frustrated. And
Speaker 1: then Pauls gave us jack Man right after, like yeah, nope,
Speaker 1: let me go back to soul sample Chipmunk, shit, I
Speaker 1: can't keep doing this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but especially being able to do that project. They
Speaker 3: might it might be more pressure for him to come back,
Speaker 3: Like you can't do that two times in a row.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like we need because we
Speaker 3: know what he's signed to, know that, we know what
Speaker 3: they on over there. You know what I'm saying, They like, Yo,
Speaker 3: we need to ring the register. We need especially you
Speaker 3: are one of our like marquee acts. You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, you can't just do a vanity project
Speaker 3: back to back to back because to the point of
Speaker 3: him being a white rapper, that means that the door
Speaker 3: is always open to certain things that other artists are
Speaker 3: not going to get. The opportunities is there to do
Speaker 3: shit the other artists are not gonna get. They're not
Speaker 3: gonna let you waste that back to back to back. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he had the movie Look with White Man Can't Jump
Speaker 3: to and he.
Speaker 1: Was with Ben and Matt Damon and I forgot the
Speaker 1: name of the movie. It was a great movie though. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he died in the first time, So this
Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. He was still acting with Ben
Speaker 1: and Matt like the big deal. That's a that's a thing.
Speaker 1: So listen, the justice Dojacat record is more in the
Speaker 1: lane of nail Tech in first Class. So I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: Atlantic's not letting him, so to me, this is me
Speaker 1: just giving complete conspiracies. I think because this came out
Speaker 1: March twenty first, twenty twenty five, literally a yeah year.
Speaker 1: I think Atlanta, you guys are trying to keep me
Speaker 1: in this fucking lane. I don't want to do the
Speaker 1: shame more because the Dojacat record did great, but he
Speaker 1: didn't stick like first Class or nail Tech.
Speaker 3: Well you know, I mean, I think he was probably
Speaker 3: like see work that goes along with that. Sure, if
Speaker 3: the artist is not willing to do it, because the
Speaker 3: record was a record that they could have made, go yeah.
Speaker 3: But if the artist is not willing to do it,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not gonna go
Speaker 3: but so far, but they shot a video. It's a
Speaker 3: great video too. Yeah he was, he was at least
Speaker 3: into it in that much.
Speaker 2: In that regard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm curious, very very curious where this album
Speaker 1: is gonna go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about to say, because I like Jack fuck
Speaker 3: with you, but with this sound like I'm mad Drama
Speaker 3: didn't send us to fucking the album before it came out.
Speaker 2: But like, I want to know what this shit sound like?
Speaker 2: Cool lake man, this is this is all right, Jack?
Speaker 3: And you come on and you give us these non
Speaker 3: tracks and you want here giving us pop songs.
Speaker 2: That that's where you at, that's what we're gonna place you.
Speaker 1: I also say, because I do think Jack Carlow is
Speaker 1: a great artist. That also maybe tells me he's very
Speaker 1: confident to put out nonose I got none songs, no
Speaker 1: roll out here you go.
Speaker 3: I'm extremely confident in this album. And there's no he
Speaker 3: didn't well not we don't know if there are any features,
Speaker 3: but he didn't listen non songs. No, what if you
Speaker 3: don't got no features? I mean listen, what if you
Speaker 3: produced it all hisself and no features?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't
Speaker 2: lose their mind.
Speaker 1: Only one artist. Allow all.
Speaker 2: Listen, stop producing your own songs.
Speaker 3: Stop Like, I get it, that's a skill set. But
Speaker 3: it's okay to like the world we spoke to. It's
Speaker 3: okay to put other producers in the room and gets something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's okay. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: The feature in the studio with Jack all those songs
Speaker 1: that I don't think is going to be on there.
Speaker 2: Rough the timing. I don't remember that that was what
Speaker 2: three They can only be one artists I'm talking about. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think that's on there. That's not on there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, not only I hear it, but the confidence
Speaker 1: that responding with I don't think it's on there.
Speaker 4: Who do you when you think of outside of Kanye obviously,
Speaker 4: who do you think of when you think of rappers
Speaker 4: who are actually able to produce their.
Speaker 5: Own records and do a good job and.
Speaker 2: Do a good job and do a good job here? None? Really?
Speaker 2: I like rock MANSI I like ro no reduction.
Speaker 3: Yeah rock, but that's rock is not I don't ever
Speaker 3: want to hear him work with all the producers because
Speaker 3: it's gonna change who rock is. We go alchemists, But
Speaker 3: that's kind of that, that's one of the same. That
Speaker 3: sound is so similar. It's that boom bat real raw
Speaker 3: like out of the pocket flow. But like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to hear rock go get like a Swiss beat. No,
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying, Like I don't want that. I
Speaker 3: don't don't don't do that, like keep it, keep it.
Speaker 3: There may may be conductor maybe, like you said, Al
Speaker 3: conducted those guys maybe, but we can't get too far
Speaker 3: away from the rock sound. But yes, you're right. Rock
Speaker 3: is definitely his last project. Incredible like with him and
Speaker 3: Arrow and all of them did like incredible project.
Speaker 1: Outside of Southern Playlistic, Cadillac Funky Music, our Cast produced
Speaker 1: Big Boy and three Stacks produced every album.
Speaker 2: I mean that's Dungeon Family.
Speaker 1: Though, no know what I'm saying. They did Dungeon Family
Speaker 1: on the first one, go check the credits. After that
Speaker 1: that was Big Boy and and Andre. I mean the
Speaker 1: they immediately said the Dungeon taught us how to produce,
Speaker 1: like we look at Really.
Speaker 2: I never knew that. I thought always thought they had
Speaker 2: outside production.
Speaker 1: I mean you always thought it was Rico and but
Speaker 1: that was the first project and then from there Outcast
Speaker 1: kind of did their their own thing. I think David
Speaker 1: Banner is one. I think Pimp C is one. I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of rapper producers that maybe don't
Speaker 1: flaunt it the way Kanye did, so we don't realize
Speaker 1: that they're making all of their beats.
Speaker 3: Kanye obviously Kanye saw Yeah, Yeah, Kanye obviously the best
Speaker 3: to do it. But but like, but, like Toy said,
Speaker 3: rock is probably one that gets it right. And I'm
Speaker 3: thinking about right like artist in the now. Obviously I
Speaker 3: could list a bunch of like classic producer MC yeah rockers.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's a legacy, but.
Speaker 3: He's yeah, yeah, he's one of those you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like he's somebody that's still super relevant right now,
Speaker 3: put out something. You know, the merch go crazy, the
Speaker 3: pop ups go craz he so he's one of those
Speaker 3: guys that's all his esthetics. Yeah, well he's just a
Speaker 3: fly nigga. But I ain't gonna lie. I don't want
Speaker 3: to hear Jack do it though. No, yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: want to.
Speaker 1: But I don't think anyone's thinking.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just saying that because We's how we
Speaker 2: started a conversation.
Speaker 3: Like I was just being an asshole about it, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying because you said no features, but
Speaker 3: it's very few.
Speaker 2: Q tip right, legacy if he's putting out I.
Speaker 1: Mean as far as like the mac Miller is definitely
Speaker 1: up there. Latter half of Max's career, he was producing
Speaker 1: everything himself.
Speaker 2: For sure. Russ also does it. Russ for sure.
Speaker 1: But then also Russ is one that I like when
Speaker 1: he does his Chomp projects and just gets bank and
Speaker 1: everybody else do that. But yeah, he's there's a lot
Speaker 1: more than I think people realize. Yeah, they just again
Speaker 1: don't flaunt it. And it's weird to put your own
Speaker 1: tag on your own song where you're also rapping.
Speaker 2: Like I just.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, you're speaking fourth personnel.
Speaker 3: Another one that does a good job and people are
Speaker 3: not gonna give him the credit because you know, they
Speaker 3: probably don't look at him as that bit of a
Speaker 3: rapper hit.
Speaker 2: Boy hip what you're right now, that's the one that's
Speaker 2: the end to right. There a lot of the.
Speaker 1: Project together, but both of them rapp really good over
Speaker 1: their own beat. Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: they don't they don't give away a lot of kind
Speaker 1: of like I know other rappers here like I would
Speaker 1: have I would crazy right right exactly. Y'all might think
Speaker 1: I'm nuts, but I don't think j D is a
Speaker 1: bad rapper.
Speaker 2: Jamai dupree.
Speaker 1: She rapped.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: That was to say he just don't rap a lot
Speaker 3: like he does, but he talked about it like when
Speaker 3: he was doing the Magic City like promo. He was
Speaker 3: saying like for that first album, they made him rap
Speaker 3: because he was doing so much production and writing and
Speaker 3: popping and ship. He was he had so much of
Speaker 3: everything else. There was like the only thing left for
Speaker 3: you to do is put out your own album, and
Speaker 3: that's how that happened. But he said he had no
Speaker 3: intentions on being a rapper. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I got white Cliff there produce a rapper.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he don't rap a lot though, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, but if for what he's out between Carnival and
Speaker 1: everything with the Fujis, I'm still putting them there big create.
Speaker 1: I think is there more on the underground side Manny Fresh,
Speaker 1: if he wrapped more? He was right though, like with
Speaker 1: Times and stuff, I think he was there. He's the
Speaker 1: hook master too. We also left out probably the most
Speaker 1: important one, Havoc have. It's probably top five best rapper
Speaker 1: producer of wals Off for sure.
Speaker 3: But then what I'm saying, like, if we going into
Speaker 3: classic didn't, then I'm throwing large professor in there. Then
Speaker 3: I'm throwing you know, I mean E. P. M. D.
Speaker 3: Produced all of these ship you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I'm throwing down there. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 3: if we go classic, then I think it's a lot
Speaker 3: more and you rock him. Yea true, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I guess for modern when we say Tyler would
Speaker 1: be number one, Yes, but is he producing? Yes, Yeah,
Speaker 1: A lot of that ship is so you literally put
Speaker 1: on the cover of Igor. This was written, created, he mixed, engineered,
Speaker 1: like he prints.
Speaker 2: Psycho with it. So he's number one, hands down, He
Speaker 2: might be. He might be right behind Kanye maybe.
Speaker 1: I think as far as hands on, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: what's better or what's worse. I want to make that
Speaker 1: very very clear. If you go through their desographies and
Speaker 1: look at who did the most for their projects, Tyler's
Speaker 1: probably been more hands on than Kanye West in the
Speaker 1: latter part of his career. Yeah, but I think I'm
Speaker 1: fine with Kanye bringing in other people. I think that's
Speaker 1: part of Newson.
Speaker 2: I mean, Tyler really sits that he does.
Speaker 3: He does, He's very Tyler's such a musical person, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like he studies music, he's out bordlines.
Speaker 3: I would call him a genius. He's a musical genius
Speaker 3: because he's he's a student of the game. He's a savant,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like he understands, he understands collaboration,
Speaker 3: he understands instrumentation, you know what I'm saying, Like he
Speaker 3: knows what to do for his records to take them
Speaker 3: where they need to go, or who to bring in
Speaker 3: to take them where they need to go. And I
Speaker 3: think the versatility is really what speaks to me, because
Speaker 3: from flower Boy to Igor, to Cherry Baum to Call.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, all of these different
Speaker 3: records have a different sonic landscape to them too. He's
Speaker 3: and he's a different he's embody in a different character
Speaker 3: each time, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Every time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he just gave you. He just gave you fired. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he just gave you fire Tyler's stuff. And then and
Speaker 3: then don't don't go to the show because then the
Speaker 3: show is crazy. That's a whole other production. Yeah, he
Speaker 3: takes this shit serious. He's see the Kanye Ferrell baby
Speaker 3: for sure. And I'm not just saying this because baby
Speaker 3: D is here. I do think J Cole gets too
Speaker 3: much flak. His beats are not as bad as people
Speaker 3: make them out to be. No, we just prefer that
Speaker 3: level of rapping with that level of producer. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: his level of wrapping is lovel production are.
Speaker 1: Not the same.
Speaker 2: He's up here. We just wondered what it could be.
Speaker 1: But Cole's beats are not as bad as people say
Speaker 1: they are.
Speaker 3: No, But it's just like you said, for his skill set,
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, could we not? Can we just
Speaker 3: go get like Alchemists a conductor or Pharrell or like, can.
Speaker 2: We go you know what I mean? Like, can we
Speaker 2: just take the joints? Can we take it? Can we
Speaker 2: take this to another level? That's all while we stay
Speaker 2: in wrap nerd world.
Speaker 1: I did see a list on Twitter that said the
Speaker 1: top ten mcs without a classic solo album started at
Speaker 1: one Grand Poob but two method Man, Jadakiss, Fab Black Thought,
Speaker 1: Inspected Deck, Ludacris, Buster Rhymes, Putt in parentheses, Debatable, Andre
Speaker 1: three thousand cannabis.
Speaker 3: Wait, the top ten mc mcs with out of classic
Speaker 3: y'all just you just y'all just said.
Speaker 1: I was right next to you in the baller shop.
Speaker 1: I think we're the reason for this list. By the way,
Speaker 1: niggas just checking Jadak and j Cole go to the
Speaker 1: same I thought.
Speaker 2: I sat there, Max said, and other guys in the
Speaker 2: shop echoed the sentiments that Jadakiss has three classic albums.
Speaker 2: M did they say three or two?
Speaker 3: They said three? What was the I think I saw
Speaker 3: the clip and they said three. Somebody said three, and
Speaker 3: I was like, three is a stretch. Okay, kiss the game?
Speaker 2: Goodbye? What the last kiss of death? And to me
Speaker 2: would kiss of death?
Speaker 1: That's the game?
Speaker 2: Goodbye?
Speaker 1: First and second album?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the first two. I think the first two.
Speaker 3: You know what I think you think Jada Kis's first
Speaker 3: two albums are. I think I think the first one
Speaker 3: more than anything. But I think that classic. Yes, small fuck,
Speaker 3: here's the issue, here's the issue. Let me let me
Speaker 3: just let me, let me say this whole thing and
Speaker 3: then get y'all met. I think that the anticipation that
Speaker 3: we what met with initially it was so high, was
Speaker 3: a hard baugh to reach because we love him as
Speaker 3: an MC and we love what he did with the Locks,
Speaker 3: so we was expecting so much when we heard that
Speaker 3: when we heard the album. But if you go back
Speaker 3: and listen to the album, the album is gonna be
Speaker 3: they deep is like it's the game.
Speaker 2: Go bye. It's tough. That's my point, though.
Speaker 3: I think there's a difference between classic and difference between
Speaker 3: good albums.
Speaker 2: It's hard to have a classic album.
Speaker 3: I would put that album on and if I got
Speaker 3: a fifty minute drive, I put the album on and
Speaker 3: let it play and ride out to it.
Speaker 2: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Is it a classic album though? Or is it just
Speaker 3: a good album? That's the difference, and it's so. I
Speaker 3: think classic is the test of time too, like replay value,
Speaker 3: like we're still going back to it because it's certain
Speaker 3: albums that came out around that time that you, I'm
Speaker 3: not listening to this ship you not. You might play
Speaker 3: the single, you're not gonna sit and let the body
Speaker 3: of work play. And I think that a certain times,
Speaker 3: certain albums, certain albums out the date, we call it
Speaker 3: instant classic out the gate. You know this shit feel
Speaker 3: like it's gonna be timeless. I listened to this forever,
Speaker 3: and then it's certain shit you go back to and
Speaker 3: you just like, damn, this shit really rocking, like I
Speaker 3: think maybe we was too. I think Volume two is
Speaker 3: another one of those, you know what I'm saying, Or
Speaker 3: Volume one. I think Volume one is another one of
Speaker 3: those where people just were so harsh on it, like
Speaker 3: the way they sunshine it. Sunshine is a tough record.
Speaker 3: We hated the video. This was so different from what
Speaker 3: Jay was trying to do, but he had done already.
Speaker 3: But it's a fucking great I don't know, He's still
Speaker 3: get you for sure, But that's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: just think that we get so caught up and just
Speaker 3: throwing out the word classic though, Well, this is to
Speaker 3: ask you.
Speaker 1: Then, what is the worst classic album in your opinion?
Speaker 1: So I have a gauge to see if if Kiss
Speaker 1: of Death is below or above, that is that it's
Speaker 1: an oxy moron, like it's an unfair classic, because of
Speaker 1: course we have the standards that we already know that
Speaker 1: these we know Illmatic is a classic that goes without saying.
Speaker 1: It was gonna sit there and argue that what is
Speaker 1: what would be that but lower than Illmatic? Like what's
Speaker 1: the worst classic album? You know what?
Speaker 3: And again, we just had this conversation with the fellas
Speaker 3: at the shop, and you know, and I understood the room.
Speaker 3: It was older guys in there from a different era
Speaker 3: of hip hop, so I understood why they were saying
Speaker 3: what they were saying but to say Jadakiss has two
Speaker 3: or three have many albums they said that were classics.
Speaker 3: And then to say Drake has no classic albums, Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 3: that's wild.
Speaker 2: But dude, you got to know your audience.
Speaker 3: But right, but you understand what I'm saying. It's just
Speaker 3: like I can understand if that's not your preferred rapper,
Speaker 3: you're preferred artist. There's no denying that Drake is one
Speaker 3: of the greatest recording artists of his generation, of his
Speaker 3: era for sure, who has classic albums? So when somebody says, Okay,
Speaker 3: this rapper has three, two or three classic albums and
Speaker 3: this guy who has dominated music for fifteen years has none.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's all subjective.
Speaker 3: Of course, that's all subjective in your audits who you're
Speaker 3: talking to. I get that, But some things are just like,
Speaker 3: what are we talking about, but.
Speaker 1: A barbershop in Brooklyn with forty year olds, Yes, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get that. If you went to the Scarborough food court,
Speaker 1: mall get everyone saying Drake has a classic.
Speaker 2: You make But yeah, you're going to Toronto to get that.
Speaker 2: I understand that.
Speaker 1: Say, we were in New York talking about kiss, but
Speaker 1: I understand that.
Speaker 3: I'm saying in just music period, it's a lot of
Speaker 3: artists that I recognized as being crazy talented that got
Speaker 3: classic music.
Speaker 2: They're not. I wouldn't go see them. I wouldn't listen
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 3: But I'm there's no doubt about it that this fucking
Speaker 3: artist is. I don't listen to Beyonce. I probably don't
Speaker 3: have no Beyonce. Unfortunately, I'm.
Speaker 2: I'll listen to it.
Speaker 3: I don't listen to Beyonce like you will never hear
Speaker 3: me just play put on a Beyonce album, put on
Speaker 3: the Beyonce song like it just wouldn't happen that. I'm
Speaker 3: not her audience. I'm not who she's making. I recognize
Speaker 3: I recognize her incredible carter on the way here.
Speaker 2: No, I'm listening to.
Speaker 3: I recognize her incredible talent. But I'm not listening like
Speaker 3: I'm not going back and playing Beyonce like.
Speaker 2: What you listen to?
Speaker 1: You?
Speaker 2: I ain't got that kepboard called in might right? You
Speaker 2: like what like that's what you? But you know what
Speaker 2: it is? You know what?
Speaker 3: The classic is vast majority, right, even if there's pockets
Speaker 3: of people that don't like it, might be people that
Speaker 3: don't fuck with fifty. But the vast majority of the
Speaker 3: population says, Get rich Client is Trying is a classic album, right,
Speaker 3: so I think it also leans to like that's a classic.
Speaker 2: Get rich of Dot Trina is not a classic. If
Speaker 2: you go back and listen, what's a classic. It's a
Speaker 2: great album.
Speaker 1: Worry about the fucking swing.
Speaker 2: Class because if you go back and listen to get
Speaker 2: Richard dot Trent, it's a great album.
Speaker 3: And the impact, the impact is why I think people
Speaker 3: call it a classic when they drop everything around fifty he's.
Speaker 2: You know, bulletproof vest Yeah, fifty mania. I understand that.
Speaker 3: I'm saying when you go back and listen to it,
Speaker 3: the album to me, I wouldn't say that's a classic album.
Speaker 2: You said, man, I was.
Speaker 4: I was speaking from all speak for yourself. I think
Speaker 4: that get Richard I Trying is a classic album. But
Speaker 4: that's why coming with music or to impact.
Speaker 1: Let's let's go through the music real quick. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to skip any I'm not going to do the highlights.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna read.
Speaker 2: Starts with what up? Gangst what the intro with two
Speaker 2: quarters falling? Right? What you like?
Speaker 1: Who you get into? That's six second ship and was
Speaker 1: like worry heard that was Is that two quarters? Was
Speaker 1: that a fifty fifty? It's it's what Mano put on
Speaker 1: his single artwork. It's fifty five cents.
Speaker 2: This guy's crazy. What up? Gangster?
Speaker 1: Patiently waiting with vingem many men in the club? I
Speaker 1: all the time heat if I can't Bloodhound back down.
Speaker 1: P I M P Like my style is crazy crazy
Speaker 1: crazy a classic? Yes, I hate that song. It's not
Speaker 1: my favorite song on the album. It's definitely not. It's
Speaker 1: definitely not.
Speaker 3: It's in comparison to the rest of the track listing.
Speaker 3: It's not my favorite. Is it's a past p IMT.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we're playing I'm playing if I if I'm
Speaker 1: washing the dishes in the album is playing.
Speaker 2: I'm not running to dry my hand to skip that
Speaker 2: that's gonna play.
Speaker 4: You can't say p I P P I M P
Speaker 4: isn't a classic because people's parents know that. So that
Speaker 4: was a huge song.
Speaker 1: It was a Thomi's record. If it's in the body
Speaker 1: body of work like yeah, nah like my style of
Speaker 1: twenty one questions, don't push me got to make it
Speaker 1: to having bonus tracks. Whangster You're not like Me lives
Speaker 1: on the line.
Speaker 2: Good class.
Speaker 1: I just telling me what a classic album is? You
Speaker 1: just I'm confused.
Speaker 2: I don't think that. I think it's a really I
Speaker 2: think it's a dope album. I got to hear classic.
Speaker 2: What's your classic Drake?
Speaker 4: Then I was gonna say, because I was riding with
Speaker 4: you with the Drake thing, But if you saying that
Speaker 4: Drake has classic I was, but get Richard die Trant
Speaker 4: is it a classic?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 1: Now I just can't.
Speaker 3: I think I think get rich of d Trine is
Speaker 3: an incredible I don't know if it's a classic. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't show classic, like my classic albums are like thriller. Okay,
Speaker 3: what's about hip hop? But okay, I'm classic album. I
Speaker 3: didn't say classic rap, classic RBA. You were talking about
Speaker 3: classic albums about Kiss. I thought we talk about hip hop?
Speaker 2: No, but but not.
Speaker 3: But away from that even I was just saying classic albums,
Speaker 3: that's what. But that's part of the conversation of what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like, how can you say Jadakiss has two
Speaker 3: or three classic albums but Drake doesn't, because Drake isn't
Speaker 3: barring you down like Kiss.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a classic album. But a thriller is
Speaker 1: the mark then where everyone's fuck nobody got this because because,
Speaker 1: to be honest, the closest thing I saw in the
Speaker 1: early two thousands that hit not like thriller obviously, but
Speaker 1: like a thriller, that wave when Get Richard I Try
Speaker 1: and came out. It took over the world. That's why,
Speaker 1: even if you weren't even a hip hop fan, the
Speaker 1: impact was incredible. But the music was dead too, because
Speaker 1: I get the music was That's what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: think it's a really I think the album is a
Speaker 1: dope album. I don't know if that's a classic album though. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's a dope album.
Speaker 4: Let's go back to your point that you were making
Speaker 4: about classics being like they have to affect everybody, right,
Speaker 4: Like you said, you don't listen to Beyonce, but you're
Speaker 4: very much aware of for talent. What would you say
Speaker 4: Beyonce's classic album? Is I want to hear this because
Speaker 4: you're not a Beyonce fan.
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 2: What was the one? Was it Lemonade?
Speaker 1: Okay, Lemonade? To me?
Speaker 2: Is it classic?
Speaker 1: As a Beyonce fan?
Speaker 5: I agree with you, So that would say?
Speaker 1: What was the other?
Speaker 2: Is it Dangerously Love? Was that the name of one
Speaker 2: of the albums.
Speaker 5: Is the first.
Speaker 2: I think that's a classic album. I think Dangerous is
Speaker 2: a classic album.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think Lemonade Danje Love and if I see
Speaker 3: the artwork, I could I could better point it out.
Speaker 4: She has a few so you're not so you're you're
Speaker 4: not a fan obviously of the music on Lemonade, but
Speaker 4: you're aware of the fact that it's a classic album,
Speaker 4: so you're able.
Speaker 3: To when I say I don't listen to Beyonce, meaning
Speaker 3: like in my time in the crib or in the car,
Speaker 3: I'm not turning on.
Speaker 2: Beyonce to listen to it like that.
Speaker 3: If Beyonce put it out on tonight, just like everybody
Speaker 3: else in the world, I'm running to listen to.
Speaker 2: No that makes sense, you know what I'm saying. I'm
Speaker 2: saying I recognize her greatness.
Speaker 3: She's one of the greatest artists ever when you come
Speaker 3: to live performance music vocally, she checks all of the boxes.
Speaker 2: She's a legendary artist like I'm not, but I don't.
Speaker 3: That's not the music that I listen to on a
Speaker 3: daily basis. I don't listen to Beyonest on a daily basis,
Speaker 3: but I know she's one of the greatest artists ever.
Speaker 2: I'm not so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: In that environment of being in the shop with older
Speaker 3: guys from New York City from a different time, I
Speaker 3: get it. But there's some things that are just unanimous
Speaker 3: though in conversation of music. I think get Richard trying
Speaker 3: so they can't.
Speaker 1: Take away from get Richard.
Speaker 5: Iye trying.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying again me because I don't
Speaker 1: think it's unanimous that Drink is a classic. I personally
Speaker 1: think he is more than one. But that's not a
Speaker 1: unanimous thing the way get rich is to the world.
Speaker 1: So are we talking about I would have said ten
Speaker 1: out of ten people would have said get rich as
Speaker 1: a classic. Now I'm gonna say not out of ten,
Speaker 1: because you're the first person I ever met.
Speaker 2: I think with You're going to get an incredible album.
Speaker 4: So is it only a classic if the masks, if
Speaker 4: the masses acknowledged that it's a classic, right, Because the
Speaker 4: album that I think is it is a classic Drake
Speaker 4: album would be different from what the masses who would
Speaker 4: say he has When the masses would pick take Care,
Speaker 4: I would not pick take Care. I don't think his
Speaker 4: aged as well as views has right.
Speaker 1: Nothing was the same. It's a classic in Drake's catalog. Yes,
Speaker 1: do you think nothing was the same?
Speaker 2: It's a classic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, What's what's better? P I m P or Worse Behavior?
Speaker 2: Worse Behavior? I hate p I M P.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you heard of the p I
Speaker 4: m P. Might be the same song. I'm not gonna
Speaker 4: lie word like Gears, I'm going with worse that's my ship.
Speaker 4: Real five to my City or p I m P.
Speaker 4: I played three or five of my City, but to
Speaker 4: P I P is just not a good I would
Speaker 4: pick p I m P. Yeah, Real five, I would
Speaker 4: think I would. I skipped three oh five every fun time.
Speaker 1: I just I just I missed that, Tom But what
Speaker 1: a time, Bro, what a time?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm just about what's your quintessential rap classics? Then, just
Speaker 1: so we can get engaged since give Rich is not there,
Speaker 1: because at that point, yeah, I don't think you would
Speaker 1: ever argue Kiss as a classic album if you don't think.
Speaker 2: Rich is right. Because when I went to that, that
Speaker 2: was like I felt like that was a no brainer.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I would Kiss.
Speaker 3: That was general consensus that everybody you know felt like
Speaker 3: that was a classic, so just to hit but a
Speaker 3: lot of.
Speaker 2: But a lot of it. But there's like that.
Speaker 3: But in our culture, and this is something we do
Speaker 3: a lot, we'll just say something is a classic because
Speaker 3: everybody else is a classic. Like a lot of people
Speaker 3: think Scarface is a classic. That movie is not a
Speaker 3: classic movie. That movie is actually terrible. I don't think
Speaker 3: you're wrong, But with get Rich, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: the case. That's what I'm saying, not saying that, I'm
Speaker 3: just saying in our culture, well, we do a lot
Speaker 3: what we see.
Speaker 2: Yo, No, that's a class a terrible, terrible movie.
Speaker 1: Movie.
Speaker 2: Why storyline? The way it shot? Like, what are you
Speaker 2: basing it on the storyline? The story?
Speaker 3: I mean, the acting was okay, but just the storyline terrible.
Speaker 3: I said it was okay, but it's I mean, you
Speaker 3: got you got two of the biggest actors of their
Speaker 3: time with al Pacino and.
Speaker 2: What's her name? Ship?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I forgot her name, Michelle Pfeiffer.
Speaker 3: But it's just that when you go back and look
Speaker 3: at it, you're like, this ship is This ain't no
Speaker 3: classic movie. But because so many people in our culture
Speaker 3: deemed it the classic, we see the poster. People got
Speaker 3: the poster in their house and the barber shops, and
Speaker 3: we see the imagery of the movie so much we're like, nah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's a no. No, you can go back and poke
Speaker 3: holes in it, you know what I'm saying. I still
Speaker 3: think for what it was, for what it's worth and
Speaker 3: what it did and the impacting all the things, like,
Speaker 3: it's definitely classic elements to it, but it's the greatest
Speaker 3: movie I haven't seen in my life.
Speaker 2: No, like people make it out to be. You could
Speaker 2: go back and poke holes in it.
Speaker 3: But again, like so there's also like impact and stay
Speaker 3: in power and replay value and all those things go
Speaker 3: into it, you know what I'm saying. But movies a
Speaker 3: little bit different than music in that art is it different,
Speaker 3: But I think it's just different levels. Music is like
Speaker 3: writing with the vocals sound like and the production around it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. But like, you got the acting, you
Speaker 2: got the cast.
Speaker 3: In you can have somebody who did a great job
Speaker 3: in the scene that had a terrible scene partner. So
Speaker 3: now do you say al Pacino did great, but we don'
Speaker 3: fuck with Manolo in this scene. Whereas when it's an
Speaker 3: album for the most part. You You you were responsible
Speaker 3: for carrying the way to the project as the artist.
Speaker 2: I get the late artists, but they.
Speaker 1: Put that on the lead actors sometimes before they'll put
Speaker 1: on the director just because the actors are more famous
Speaker 1: when they say that movie. But if you're not in
Speaker 1: a scene, and it's like, at the same time, that
Speaker 1: actor just showed up to do his scenes. He wasn't
Speaker 1: involved in the ending process. But if you did not direct.
Speaker 3: But if you're lighting, you're not gonna take They're not
Speaker 3: gonna blame you for a bad scene if you're not
Speaker 3: in it, even if you're the lead actor.
Speaker 1: All right, So nas gets a lot of even though
Speaker 1: I disagree with it. It's it's a narrative that's been
Speaker 1: going on. He picks bad beats and they put that on.
Speaker 1: NOAs he didn't produce it is picked classic. If you
Speaker 1: picked the direction, you picked that script.
Speaker 2: I'm asking the.
Speaker 3: Script because I'm getting I'm just let me just get
Speaker 3: my position because when I answer, i'm asking, I'm asking.
Speaker 2: I want to want to leave you Illmatic class.
Speaker 1: It's a classic.
Speaker 2: Okay, So so Illmatic and Kiss of Death are on
Speaker 2: the same level.
Speaker 1: No, No, I think there's a spectrum, so classics that
Speaker 1: happens with the worst class.
Speaker 2: I thought classic was class.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that doesn't mean they're on the same level because
Speaker 4: something they're not.
Speaker 3: So it's not a classic, it's a good albums saying
Speaker 3: it's not letting Elmatic on the same level they're now
Speaker 3: from from a rapper perspective and then from a pop star. Yes,
Speaker 3: I think it's the same. I think that a kid
Speaker 3: that was however old, NOAs you got the music and
Speaker 3: then you got the impact of it, and then you
Speaker 3: got the reach of the music. Ellmatic is a class
Speaker 3: I think. I think in the community you can't play
Speaker 3: it like anything off of Thriller.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think Ellmatic is a classic to the culture, to
Speaker 3: every MC after that. Dad was old enough to know
Speaker 3: when that album drop and feel that. I think that
Speaker 3: nas inspired every MC after that to even try. That
Speaker 3: was like the goal that became the soundtrack of your life.
Speaker 3: You moved through wherever you was at with that music
Speaker 3: in your head. Right, Okay, to me, that's a classic.
Speaker 3: I don't think people moved around with a Kiss album
Speaker 3: like the same way they moved around with Illmatic. I
Speaker 3: don't think so, not saying Kiss and Kiss is an
Speaker 3: incredible MC, one of the greatest rappers ever. But I'm
Speaker 3: talking about the music. I don't think the music lived
Speaker 3: with us from his albums, the way the music lived
Speaker 3: with us from Illmatic, the way the music lived us
Speaker 3: from Reasonable Out.
Speaker 2: I think the different.
Speaker 3: I think the unfair thing to when you compare things
Speaker 3: that Elmatic. My only caveat in that is that Illmatic
Speaker 3: changed hip hop music and albums because of the the
Speaker 3: way that they went about the production of it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we had never seen an artist go hand pick and
Speaker 3: pluck producers from other camp I'm gonna take the hottest
Speaker 3: guy out of Gangstar, I'm gonna take the produce out
Speaker 3: of the Gangstar. I'm gonna take the produce oiue of
Speaker 3: Pete Rock and Ceo Smooth. I'm gonna take the producer
Speaker 3: from Maine Sauce. We had never done every up until that,
Speaker 3: Right Trivers self contained, Maine Sauce, self contained, Bomb Squad
Speaker 3: self contained.
Speaker 2: We had never seen that.
Speaker 3: So it changed the way people went about making their album,
Speaker 3: So that in itself makes it impactful in game changing,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. So it's unfit to compare
Speaker 3: certain albums to Ellmatic. Because of what Elmatic did to
Speaker 3: change it turned the tide in hip hop.
Speaker 1: Yea, even bad Boy being the sellout version of that
Speaker 1: still mainly just used hit Man. That was the first
Speaker 1: time you got a list producer.
Speaker 2: Right, he waited a production team.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying of different all these different
Speaker 3: guys production team.
Speaker 1: But where I also think it is unfair is the
Speaker 1: age gap as well, because, yeah, people, my age, Kiss
Speaker 1: of Death came out when I was fourteen. My age
Speaker 1: moved around with Kids to Death probably the same way
Speaker 1: y'all moved around with Ellmatic.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Kiss of Death is on the
Speaker 2: same level of Illmatic, but.
Speaker 1: You also have to put that into consideration that hip
Speaker 1: hop is unlike any other genre. We're ten years is
Speaker 1: one hundred years, right, Like that's a huge gap between
Speaker 1: ninety four and two thousand and four of listeners. Kiss
Speaker 1: of Death meant a lot to us, and yeah, we
Speaker 1: moved around like this was the soundtracks of fucking life.
Speaker 4: And is at that point is it fair to say
Speaker 4: that there's different pockets of everybody in different pockets is
Speaker 4: going to say that a different album is a classic.
Speaker 4: If you go down to certain parts of the South,
Speaker 4: they would never say that Ellmatic is a classic, but
Speaker 4: somebody from their region that they grew up hearing.
Speaker 1: So we're never going to long story short, we're never
Speaker 1: all going to.
Speaker 4: Agree what a classic is, depending on age, depending on demographic,
Speaker 4: depending on where you grew up, Like everybody is going
Speaker 4: to have different classics.
Speaker 3: But you see, that's where I think, that's where I
Speaker 3: think the conversation is different. I think no matter where
Speaker 3: you're from, a classic is a classic, no matter where
Speaker 3: you're from, like under not a classic is undenied. I
Speaker 3: don't care if you're from the northwest, coast, east coast South.
Speaker 3: When we see Kevin Gates rapping reasonable doubt bas and
Speaker 3: he's from the South, that's letting you know, like he
Speaker 3: like Nigga, we was listening to that, So that narrative
Speaker 3: of in the South, we wasn't listening.
Speaker 2: Cut that shit out because niggas was listening to that.
Speaker 3: But people will tell you E forty and the Click
Speaker 3: got classic albums, and you will fight against that, and
Speaker 3: you fight against that.
Speaker 1: I would if someone in New York said Foreigner Degrees
Speaker 1: Juvenile is not a classic album, the South would lose
Speaker 1: their motherfucking minds.
Speaker 2: I played crazy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like, but I mean, like Tomorrow's point, yes, Like I
Speaker 1: don't think no matter where you go, I think people
Speaker 1: would say at Aliens is a classic album, Quemini is
Speaker 1: a classic album.
Speaker 2: No matter where you're at.
Speaker 1: I think most people would say the Chronic Doggy Style,
Speaker 1: those are classic projects. But I think that's a nineties thing.
Speaker 1: I think once we hit the two thousands, it just
Speaker 1: got so spread out. I'm not even saying when it
Speaker 1: got to the internet yet. Hip hop just got so big,
Speaker 1: but your pockets happened and I got classics in the
Speaker 1: two thousands. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: the only one has a classic in the two thousand
Speaker 1: and Good Kid Mad City. During the interludes, they're talking
Speaker 1: about TM one on one, like and that's in Compton
Speaker 1: up here. We thought TM one on one was a
Speaker 1: classic out the gate for I'm just saying, as the
Speaker 1: years went, the term class hip hop.
Speaker 2: Just got to classic.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 2: I think it's a good album, Okay, I think it's
Speaker 2: the second best album the Recession. I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's a no. No, that's my asking.
Speaker 3: I'm asking it's the second second best. It's my second
Speaker 3: favorite at the TM one on one for sure.
Speaker 1: And then weirdly enough, I have TM one O three
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Speaker 2: How do you guys think about this list? Because went
Speaker 2: on a tangent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Andre. They killed me for that I had.
Speaker 3: We all agree he doesn't have a solo album in
Speaker 3: my top five, right, But without a solo album, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's only been so long, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's so long you can rest. It's just not does
Speaker 2: buster to have a classic album. It's gonna pay me
Speaker 2: for my answer when disaster strikes. What was the debut album?
Speaker 1: The coming, the fact that you have to think the
Speaker 1: fact that you have to think about it.
Speaker 5: Let you know now, the answer is no, bad bus.
Speaker 1: There is a goat. Buster is one of the greatest
Speaker 1: might be you ever had. He to me is in
Speaker 1: that Chris Brown category of you are a goat. You've
Speaker 1: given us so much, you've changed the entire genre. You
Speaker 1: are an elite artist. You've never given us that body
Speaker 1: of work that your peers have because you're in the
Speaker 1: conversation with with everyone that is a legend and Buster
Speaker 1: should be there and we'll always be there.
Speaker 2: But he's the Chris Brown. I think this is the
Speaker 2: answer is no.
Speaker 3: But I think there's probably large majorities of people that
Speaker 3: will say, yeah, extinction level event might be bust this
Speaker 3: classic album like his magnum Opus. But I don't think
Speaker 3: it's a It's a vast majority thing. And that's what
Speaker 3: you know, that's part of the criteria. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: He also had such a heavy output that it gets
Speaker 1: tough with you have thirty fucking albums. Ludicrous man, Fuck y'all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: chicken beer.
Speaker 2: Has a class. Chicken and Beer, I think is the
Speaker 2: one that.
Speaker 1: A classic word of mouth classic. Though all right, all right,
Speaker 1: chicken beer is a classic. The other ones are great
Speaker 1: World Classic. Can we just pull up the word classic
Speaker 1: because I like to use the right word.
Speaker 3: I'm in that in my life. I want to say
Speaker 3: the right shot, but I don't want to. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to just keep saying ship, Like what
Speaker 3: do these words mean?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 4: Classic judged over a period of time to be that
Speaker 4: of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind. Remarkably
Speaker 4: and obstruct instructively typical. That's different a work of a
Speaker 4: work of art, recognized and established value, a school subject
Speaker 4: that involves a study of ancient Greek, whatever, So it
Speaker 4: has to be judged over a period of time to
Speaker 4: be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Chicken and Beer to me is a classic to me
Speaker 1: because I was there. I don't know in thirty years
Speaker 1: if it's going to stand like who let these holes
Speaker 1: in my I don't know if that's going to like
Speaker 1: make it for the rest of the world. If you
Speaker 1: go through blow it Out, stand Up, Splash, Waterfalls, Hard Times, Dominant, back,
Speaker 1: Screwed Up, pussy pop and hip hop quotables, black Man, Struggle,
Speaker 1: Hos in My Room, Teamwork, this is a classic album
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, I'm not fighting you on that all
Speaker 1: is saying, I don't know if if an asteroid hits
Speaker 1: the fucking planet and we can put albums in some
Speaker 1: ship that's gonna survive, they're gonna take chicken and beer
Speaker 1: in ellmatic and be like these are these are the.
Speaker 2: Rich.
Speaker 1: They're gonna say this is that.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I think I'm like this is this was good, But
Speaker 3: I think they're gonna listen to other classes. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm a fight forget just a long fight.
Speaker 3: I don't think that good album one impact is incredible,
Speaker 3: but just no, I just don't classic.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's it.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's a little bit of a nostalgia
Speaker 4: that comes with classic, Like for example, like we were
Speaker 4: talking about bad movies that are maybe classic.
Speaker 1: Scarface is a classic.
Speaker 4: Even though you can go home, go back and poke
Speaker 4: holes in the story, it is a classic Belly horrible movie,
Speaker 4: It's still a classic movie.
Speaker 1: Scarface are actually very similar where there there are a
Speaker 1: lot of great moments. Yes there's a storyline, but it's
Speaker 1: just a bunch of cool moments. Yeah, a bunch of
Speaker 1: cool moments.
Speaker 4: But they also still Belly still affects like cultural conversations
Speaker 4: to this day.
Speaker 5: It's still quoted to this day.
Speaker 1: How Hype shot it is, how people to this day
Speaker 1: shoot movies and music videos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so you can't so yeah, you can say that
Speaker 4: in as a centophile. Yes it's bad. It's a bad movie,
Speaker 4: but it's still a classic, Like you can't take classic
Speaker 4: from it.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, inspected deck, look at all face. If
Speaker 1: the flood didn't.
Speaker 3: Happen, maybe if DMX and NOS was not casting in that,
Speaker 3: we wouldn't even be talking about that movie.
Speaker 2: Of course not.
Speaker 1: But that's a lot of things. Yeah, okay, if Hype
Speaker 1: didn't direct it, like yeah, anybody else did train it?
Speaker 2: No, no, no no.
Speaker 1: If Jay didn't rap, reasonable doubt, no no no no.
Speaker 1: Cashing is super important. Well, we've seen movies and TV
Speaker 1: shows where you know.
Speaker 3: They shot the pilot and they shot the pilot with
Speaker 3: one person and you know there was no chemistry and
Speaker 3: they put in another person like I could never see
Speaker 3: you know, Alan think as this as the dad you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 2: Shit like that.
Speaker 1: So it's a funny example, I mean, but that's also
Speaker 1: hilarious too because NAS was horrible, and.
Speaker 2: But that adds to the allure of it. Oddly enough, Yo,
Speaker 2: I got shot in the leg. Let's go to Africa.
Speaker 2: Africa's far talking about Africa that fall. You said niggas
Speaker 2: pull up anything will pull up. The viotage is crazy.
Speaker 2: I just think it's a good movie. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's a classic, but I get it.
Speaker 3: It's because it's so attached to our culture with DMX
Speaker 3: and nas being but.
Speaker 2: Hood Classic exists.
Speaker 4: Yeah, hood classic classic, that's a real thing. But I
Speaker 4: don't want to take away from see. I don't want
Speaker 4: to say hood classic because Belly and Scarface are about
Speaker 4: the same amount of bad. And why only one of
Speaker 4: them got to be deemed as a hood classic, like.
Speaker 1: The scot Face the Hood Classic too, Yeah, only a
Speaker 1: classic because the Hood sex a classic.
Speaker 2: Suburban American thinks scarf a classicus is not.
Speaker 3: Jacket scarf face and Mount Kisskoy jackets golf.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happens in the nineties, but whenever
Speaker 1: they put like scarface posters out, then the whites got
Speaker 1: into scarface. That's really what it was, because the whites
Speaker 1: like hip hop and posters. Yeah, but because we said,
Speaker 1: we said it was a classic, you know, but.
Speaker 3: If you start talking to If you ask DiCaprio with
Speaker 3: Scarface lands for he loves Al, I'm sure he ows
Speaker 3: this guy, but he doesn't go to Scarface when he's
Speaker 3: talking about Al.
Speaker 2: He's probably that's our's worst movie. If you ask the
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Probably embarrassed in certain rooms when that's yeah, like that's so,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It still is a classic for what. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 3: classic for what. It's worse for what is a classic
Speaker 3: because we said it was a classic, because.
Speaker 4: Even if it's not good, you can put something. I
Speaker 4: think music is a little different from movies because people
Speaker 4: will put on bad movies and enjoy them even even
Speaker 4: though they know it's a bad movie. Like we'll put
Speaker 4: on Belly knowing Belly is a terrible movie and still
Speaker 4: enjoy watching it. Putting on bad music and enjoying it
Speaker 4: is cringe. It's kind that's kind of like.
Speaker 5: That's different.
Speaker 3: I'd rather look at Keisha and that lingeride in the
Speaker 3: fucking listen to some sub.
Speaker 1: Listening to p I, it's hood classic that that crossed
Speaker 1: over though, because I think, Okay, my dad loves Scarface,
Speaker 1: my dad loves dead presidents, my dad likes Payton Full,
Speaker 1: He's probably not going to sit and watch Belly with me. Like,
Speaker 1: there are hood classics that I think have have crossed over.
Speaker 1: Dead President's being one, Payton Full being one, and Scarface
Speaker 1: being one.
Speaker 2: Poetic Justice? Is that a hood classic?
Speaker 5: Don'ts off now?
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm asking is that a hood classic? I
Speaker 2: think it is. It is.
Speaker 5: It's a classic.
Speaker 1: Wouldimer say it's not. Some would say it's not, yeah,
Speaker 1: some would say what about that is not a hoods
Speaker 1: A lot of people I don't like classic.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying some people, I think that would be
Speaker 2: the bar. But you like Justice is a great you
Speaker 2: think it's a great film? Yeah? You cool?
Speaker 1: You want to make it out like who's the what's
Speaker 1: wrong with party Justice?
Speaker 3: I thought we were celebrating your birthday while we like,
Speaker 3: what's exactly you know, pose a question?
Speaker 4: What's wrong with partic Justice? I love Poetic Justice. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to make sure that the room it was
Speaker 4: a great movie. He's taking the temperature.
Speaker 2: It's hot.
Speaker 3: But I think I think in the conversation of classic albums, though,
Speaker 3: I do think some things are subjective, but at the
Speaker 3: same time.
Speaker 2: Some things are just unanimous.
Speaker 3: Though now for sure and again back to you know,
Speaker 3: Jadakiss having three two or three classes versus Drake having none.
Speaker 2: People up that list one more time. I just want
Speaker 2: to see who else was on that at.
Speaker 1: This rand puba method Man, Jadakiss, Fablack classic.
Speaker 3: It's like, see that and that's an argument. That's an argument.
Speaker 3: Some people say to Cal is a classic.
Speaker 1: I think, please, don't make this a clip. I think
Speaker 1: Cal is not a classic. I think Cal is in
Speaker 1: that time I like to Cal. It was looked at
Speaker 1: as underwhelming. But look at what Jessek and Ghost did
Speaker 1: at that exact same time. It is the worst one
Speaker 1: out of all of it.
Speaker 2: That's a great point.
Speaker 1: Don't make it a clip. I don't want to get
Speaker 1: killed this.
Speaker 2: You can't go to Shatland no more. But it's a
Speaker 2: great point.
Speaker 1: Since that island this weekend.
Speaker 2: You can't go this weekend. I don't think to Cal
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 1: I think methan Man again is one of those like
Speaker 1: buster your goat goes without saying, but to Cal, the
Speaker 1: closest metan Man has a good album.
Speaker 2: To Cala is a great album. Let me put it
Speaker 2: that way.
Speaker 3: See why we can't just say that about a lot
Speaker 3: of other people that's my whole point why I got
Speaker 3: to be classic classic nah, but great Cuban link Yah.
Speaker 3: It's certain shit like I wouldn't go, I wouldn't fight
Speaker 3: you tooth and nail on Grand Puba really real, but
Speaker 3: I fuck with real Lorrel.
Speaker 2: I listen to that album. I still think it's dope.
Speaker 3: The fact that I can listen to that I'm in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six and still think it's a dope album
Speaker 3: means I think it's a dope album. But when people
Speaker 3: when I fight tooth and Nail or say it's a classic, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not dying on that hill. But I think it's
Speaker 3: a great album. I think the impact that it had.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we can't count Brand Nubian album as
Speaker 3: a Grand Pooba solo because it's Brandnubian. But he really
Speaker 3: carried that album, you know what I'm saying. As far
Speaker 3: as him coming in and being the elder statesman in
Speaker 3: that crew, you know what I'm saying, having the solo
Speaker 3: records and doing all the ship that it did.
Speaker 2: It set him up for a solo project.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nobody's gonna don't think a lot of people
Speaker 3: are gonna say Realerrilla is a classic, but it's a
Speaker 3: dope grandpoop album. Grandpool might be one of the most
Speaker 3: underrated artists that we have. That's unfortunately. Let's change that.
Speaker 3: Let's change it today. Like when you talk about everything
Speaker 3: that he bought to rap different wise stash his tone sound.
Speaker 2: Fresh, shit like knowledge Yourself.
Speaker 3: He popped off wild brands, he popped off Jabou, crazy
Speaker 3: figure crazy. He brought that type of flash it into him,
Speaker 3: the book bag fly ship, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: Like the preppy hood mixed with the hood ship, like
Speaker 3: rolling with the with the with the with the on
Speaker 3: man and and and honestly, the crazy shit is. He
Speaker 3: was so instrumental in Mary J. Blige's career, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like what's the four one one?
Speaker 1: And and.
Speaker 2: What's the joint the other jay Z joint? Check it out?
Speaker 3: Check it out like those two records without Grandpool was
Speaker 3: a far bigger artist than Mary J.
Speaker 2: Blige.
Speaker 3: His credibility gave her alidity in those spaces, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like him popping off arguably one of
Speaker 3: our crown jewels and the Kata speaks as a testament
Speaker 3: to how important grand Pooba was in that moment.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So yeah, like he's he's probably talking that ship, yeah,
Speaker 1: and even talking that she's probably one.
Speaker 2: Of the most underrated. So it was good to see
Speaker 2: you know him on this.
Speaker 3: Just mentioned there's a lot of people you know they
Speaker 3: don't and I'm you know, I'm an eighties baby, so
Speaker 3: I know exactly what pood.
Speaker 2: What's this?
Speaker 1: Gentleman put him at number one, number one of great
Speaker 1: greatest mcs without the classic. Now is this in order
Speaker 1: or is he just naming ten? I'm not sure, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if he thinks.
Speaker 2: Grandpool Boy raps better than Black Thought, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well that's that I don't get off this. This was
Speaker 1: my last point. Is it unfair that Black Thought is
Speaker 1: on this list?
Speaker 2: Unfair?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, it is because he's the frontman of the roots,
Speaker 3: like he's the MC and the roots.
Speaker 1: That's like saying every album that he is kind of
Speaker 1: a soul album. Yes, he carries the weight of the
Speaker 1: of the roots for the album for every album, Like
Speaker 1: I hear when if you're in a duo when you
Speaker 1: don't have a soul like Andre on there or having
Speaker 1: Prodigy whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you but he's the MC of the.
Speaker 1: Dice, you had other people there every now and then
Speaker 1: for it. That's just like a feature. Why is every
Speaker 1: roots album not technically right because there's been plenty of
Speaker 1: MC's that had just one producer, but they didn't name
Speaker 1: them as a group, but they had their their production
Speaker 1: squad the entire time.
Speaker 3: You think about like carra as One as opposed to
Speaker 3: Boogie Down productions. Yeah, those BDP albums are still carras One,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, They're just not deemed as solo.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's production, maybe it's whatever, or like I had
Speaker 3: another point, but basically there's certain yeah, there's certain artists
Speaker 3: that carry the bulk of the m seeing on the project,
Speaker 3: but because of the way the group is labeled or named,
Speaker 3: it's not you know, the Roots, The Roots is Black Thought.
Speaker 2: It's verse wise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I if you want to make the
Speaker 1: case that it's a duo based off the amount of
Speaker 1: musicians that came and went, it's Black Thought and Questlove.
Speaker 2: But even then, like, okay, Black Thoughts the only not.
Speaker 3: Rapping, you know, And of course you got all of
Speaker 3: the other mcs that were you got Dice Raw, you
Speaker 3: got trucking Off you got damn who just passed. I'm
Speaker 3: having a brain fart. But you know, there were other
Speaker 3: mcs that were part of the collective. But Black Thought
Speaker 3: even in those records, it's not like there was a
Speaker 3: bunch of solo records from a bunch of other people.
Speaker 3: Black Thought is the bulk of the MCing and the
Speaker 3: roots throughout the entire catalog.
Speaker 2: To me, that's like saying Doggie Style is not a
Speaker 2: solo snoop album.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing.
Speaker 3: It's labeled as a snoop album though. So that's that's
Speaker 3: what a different difference is. But that's like saying, you
Speaker 3: know you can you could say, you could say the
Speaker 3: Crime want music music.
Speaker 1: It's one producer and one rapper, a mirror and Black
Speaker 1: Thought doctors Ray. So is there a difference just because
Speaker 1: the label said Roots versus Black Thought. Now you make
Speaker 1: a case Black Thought every Roots project is a solo
Speaker 1: Black Thought out.
Speaker 3: A public enemy. Right, Those are Chuck, Those are Chuck.
Speaker 3: The albums Flip jumped in you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Ad Lib Yeah, no one is a joke. But for
Speaker 3: the most part, Chuck D carries the bulk of the
Speaker 3: m SING throughout those projects. You know, what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Or Gangstar is a group, but Preme didn't drop no raps.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like those are Guru. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like Guru m sed on those albums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this is close. How many classic albums you
Speaker 2: think Jadakins has?
Speaker 3: If I gotta, if I gotta fight for it, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna say one. I'm gonna say that the debut, And
Speaker 3: you said which one is classic?
Speaker 1: I think Kissed the Game Goodbye and Kiss the Death.
Speaker 1: My I have personal classics and then I have classics.
Speaker 1: There are under personal classics for me. If I were
Speaker 1: doing a class like Top twenty, I don't think I
Speaker 1: put kiss It at their Kissed the Game Goodbye.
Speaker 3: Thirty five year old me being overlooked. I think ghetto
Speaker 3: Fabulist is being overlooked.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have in these conversations. That's okay, how y'all
Speaker 2: say that so fast? But then, all right, I.
Speaker 3: Think ghetto fabulous is being overlooked in a lot of
Speaker 3: these conversations.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go over real talk because anything I
Speaker 1: think Street.
Speaker 3: Dreams is being overlooked. Street Dreams it's classic, all right?
Speaker 3: Then you this classic I'm just saying. I'm just saying, bro,
Speaker 3: we got your great albums. Great albums.
Speaker 2: We won't call them class, won't say the C word,
Speaker 2: but they're great albums.
Speaker 3: And that's all I'm just I just want people to
Speaker 3: stop using the word classic so loosely, right, unless you're
Speaker 3: talking about get Rich of dot trying, then please call
Speaker 3: it a classic.
Speaker 2: If you deem so, if you feel that way. And
Speaker 2: like I said, it's also not even from Queens. That's
Speaker 2: all subjective. It's all subjective.
Speaker 1: You could be from Queens in the UK and that's
Speaker 1: a classic album. Okay, before we get out of here,
Speaker 1: I'm asking this because I know the listeners want to
Speaker 1: hear from you more. I'm interviewing at this point. This morning,
Speaker 1: Charlemagne had mentioned that he talked to somebody that heard
Speaker 1: Iceman and that Future was on it, and it's been
Speaker 1: going viral all morning. This this is in real time.
Speaker 1: Can you confirm or deny that Future is on Iceman
Speaker 1: as of March twelfth, twenty twenty six, Dumpy side, big fact?
Speaker 1: Is he on?
Speaker 2: Is he on Iceman as it stands today? March? I
Speaker 2: just said March twelfth, twenty twenty six, he might be okay.
Speaker 2: I mean I personally the information I have and on
Speaker 2: the album, it's he's on the board, he's on the
Speaker 2: white board. It's ye, he's on the white body. Ideas ideas.
Speaker 2: There's a white board, parentheses an asterisk like what is well?
Speaker 3: Ideas smart, ideas are Ideas are being created? Yes, ideas
Speaker 3: are being created, have been created?
Speaker 2: Somebody they write future on the white boy will say Hendrix.
Speaker 3: Well, well, I don't know about that, but I know
Speaker 3: ideas or his full government have been created. Idea continue
Speaker 3: to be created, Ideas have been pivoted from gotcha.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's it's it's no.
Speaker 4: Matter where you went to media training school up they
Speaker 4: still like they still open.
Speaker 2: Or they like that.
Speaker 3: Well and Well told them that, no, that's just a fact.
Speaker 3: It's just ideas of being created. The album is being
Speaker 3: you know, fleshed out. It's still a process.
Speaker 2: Interesting.
Speaker 1: So but I thought, because this isn't even information that
Speaker 1: like we had behind the scenes. I thought it was
Speaker 1: kind of like known that Drake in the future pieced up.
Speaker 1: That's why everyone's like, yo, what the how could this happen?
Speaker 1: I thought that wasn't that like kind of common knowledge
Speaker 1: on the timeline they were that they were cool again.
Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know that. I don't I don't know
Speaker 2: about that, But you know, I don't think there's.
Speaker 1: I'm tapped in with the Twitter rumors that that was
Speaker 1: going around everywhere, that Future and Drake we're cool again.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's far fetched that they may work
Speaker 3: together again. I don't think that's a far fetched idea.
Speaker 2: Music. Music is exponentially better when those guys are cool.
Speaker 1: I would I would hope to God Drake and Future
Speaker 1: our friends and make more music.
Speaker 6: Need that.
Speaker 2: Again before we leave.
Speaker 1: I've noticed Mall is more like Ebro than I ever
Speaker 1: thought because I saw this wild clip of Ebro today.
Speaker 4: Please are you trying to get him back for saying
Speaker 4: get Richard die Tarya?
Speaker 1: It wasn't a class No. That's why I'm starting to
Speaker 1: realize that that Mall just his speech off to get
Speaker 1: rich shit like that. We don't know what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: Did y'all see this this Hebro clip today and salutes
Speaker 1: to Hebros. That's that's my guy, Love love you Hebro.
Speaker 1: This might be one of the wildest clips I've seen
Speaker 1: this month. Can we play this?
Speaker 6: But that's why in hip hop, there has always been
Speaker 6: gatekeepers because some of y'all don't deserve a fucking opinion
Speaker 6: because you haven't been doing this professionally, consuming playing and critiquing.
Speaker 2: Hip hop as your life. You're just a fan and
Speaker 2: we love you. You're just a consumer. You're a customer,
Speaker 2: as we call them.
Speaker 6: That's why sometimes your opinion customer doesn't fucking count, because
Speaker 6: you don't fucking do this for real. And that's why
Speaker 6: when people who do this for real get around and
Speaker 6: they start looking at the nuances of what an album
Speaker 6: actually is and what it should mean, and what the
Speaker 6: person is saying through the album and the picture that
Speaker 6: it's painting and the lyrical breakdown and them being able
Speaker 6: to stay on topic, and who the producers are and
Speaker 6: what it means and what it serves in time and
Speaker 6: all of these things. When you critique complete bodies of work,
Speaker 6: not just collections of great songs, that's when you get
Speaker 6: into what is a classic album in general and a
Speaker 6: classic hip hop album.
Speaker 1: Ma I felt like you kind of sounded like that
Speaker 1: to us today talking about Gabrich, Like we don't know
Speaker 1: what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: I say, y'all don't know Joe to that never came
Speaker 3: out of my mouth one time. I never said that,
Speaker 3: what is he what is Hebro talking about her? I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know what he read or what people are
Speaker 3: saying to him online. Maybe he feels like people that
Speaker 3: you know, haven't been in or around music, in the
Speaker 3: business of music as much as he has or as
Speaker 3: long as he has, don't really have anything that they
Speaker 3: could say to him, because again, you're speaking from a
Speaker 3: different perspective of it. One is a true consumer. First
Speaker 3: of all, we're all consumers, we all consume consumers. But
Speaker 3: Ebro has been on the other side. He's been in
Speaker 3: a music business. He's been programmed, directed at radio, and
Speaker 3: you know, things like that. So he has a different sense,
Speaker 3: in a different you know, connection to the pulse of
Speaker 3: music and just the energy of music. So I understand
Speaker 3: what he's saying to an extent. I don't know who
Speaker 3: he's talking I don't know where this came from. I
Speaker 3: don't know if somebody said something based on something Nebro
Speaker 3: said and responded to him and got mad at something
Speaker 3: he said.
Speaker 2: On his opinion. But these are all just a pinions.
Speaker 2: It's all about opinions.
Speaker 3: But again, something's a little crazy to say, yeah, y'all
Speaker 3: feel like me saying get Rich Dot Trine's not a
Speaker 3: class Even though said it's a great album, I just
Speaker 3: don't think it's a classic. Got no, this is good
Speaker 3: barbershop debate.
Speaker 2: That's one thing.
Speaker 3: I think that people talk with a certain level of
Speaker 3: certainty that don't have no idea what the fuck they
Speaker 3: talking about. And in that regard, I gotta agree with
Speaker 3: him because I'm in the music business. I'm a rap up,
Speaker 3: been on the road, I'm a songwriter. I'm friends with
Speaker 3: these artists. I know what happened in the studio, why
Speaker 3: this song didn't come out.
Speaker 2: Et cetera.
Speaker 3: You have people that, respectfully, you work at FedEx, you
Speaker 3: go get your hair cutting the barber shop, and you
Speaker 3: talk with this level of certainty about things you have
Speaker 3: no idea about. And that shit pisces me off because
Speaker 3: it's like, and God forbid you, fucking Bob michaelphone.
Speaker 2: In a computer and a camera and now you have
Speaker 2: it the Internet. Yeah, God forbid you got Wi Fi.
Speaker 3: Because now you're talking, and now you got an audience,
Speaker 3: and now you got people chiming in, and now people
Speaker 3: are taking your word as some type of factual thing.
Speaker 3: When basically you really just talking out your ass. And
Speaker 3: I think that where it gets convoluted in that there's
Speaker 3: like a disconnection is that you have certain people that
Speaker 3: do have a certain pedigree and do have a certain
Speaker 3: regard for this business with the knowledge and access that
Speaker 3: goes along with it, and they YouTube come up right
Speaker 3: after the other person who just talk about shit in
Speaker 3: the room and people they value those things the same
Speaker 3: way when it's not coming from the same place.
Speaker 4: So I understand where you're coming from as far as
Speaker 4: like talking about behind the scene shit that other people
Speaker 4: may not be privy to, but they get on the
Speaker 4: mic and like fans come on and say all types
Speaker 4: of conspiracy theories with artists on all types of shit first,
Speaker 4: like they're talking for sure, and they have no idea
Speaker 4: what the fuck they're talking about. Right with that, I agree,
Speaker 4: But when it comes to the music in the ear,
Speaker 4: the artists should never be creating music for his peers
Speaker 4: or for the people to work at radio stations to
Speaker 4: critique it. Yeah, we want you to play it, but
Speaker 4: it's not for you. It's for the niggas in the
Speaker 4: barber shop to debate whether kissing or kiss the game. Goodbye,
Speaker 4: is a fucking plastic years later. It's not for us,
Speaker 4: it's not for they hate that we even talk about
Speaker 4: their shit.
Speaker 2: They don't create it for us.
Speaker 4: They create it for the fans something more more often,
Speaker 4: especially now for the casual fan. So to say that
Speaker 4: those people don't have the right to critique music when
Speaker 4: they're the ones who started critique and music before it
Speaker 4: became a job that pays ebro all of that money,
Speaker 4: that's stupid to me.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry if that's his argument.
Speaker 3: Yeah, everybody has the right once the artists out there,
Speaker 3: everybody with ears has the right to critique it.
Speaker 1: And you're right and everything that you said. But to me,
Speaker 1: that's a very very small, small small part of the
Speaker 1: people that consume music. We're consumed in that world, whether
Speaker 1: it's content reactions, this and that, the fans that have
Speaker 1: now become reaction commenters, and that YouTube world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a big thing.
Speaker 1: Gets a lot of views, but go through the streams
Speaker 1: of an artist versus the streams of a reaction. Neither
Speaker 1: here nor there. Most people are driving their kids to school,
Speaker 1: going to and from work, and are there to just
Speaker 1: listen to the music and have every right to critique
Speaker 1: the entire thing. But I'm not saying Ebro was wrong.
Speaker 1: It was just in the way he said it with
Speaker 1: such entitlement, where he doesn't realize we are the least
Speaker 1: important part of this entire process. We as in who
Speaker 1: the critiquers, the media people, the commenters that are on
Speaker 1: these microphones, We are the least important out of this
Speaker 1: whole process. Matter of fact, Ebro was more important when
Speaker 1: he was a programmed director and was able to play
Speaker 1: certain records for artists. At that point, he was more
Speaker 1: important than someone that could critique. The two most important
Speaker 1: people in this group is the artist, number one, and
Speaker 1: then the consumer that's listening to it and buying it.
Speaker 1: Because a lot of times people in front of microphones
Speaker 1: will start listening to records they've never listened to. They're
Speaker 1: only doing it to critique. They're not a consumer. Especially
Speaker 1: I'm listening to this because I have to comment on it.
Speaker 1: I'm not a consumer. That we are the least important,
Speaker 1: and that's also why I hate I'm going to go
Speaker 1: against our own shit.
Speaker 2: That's why I hate PR people. Now you ain't Querto
Speaker 2: Ricans listen that bad buddy was ringing.
Speaker 1: I know what with PR people, I think they're disconnected.
Speaker 1: Do I love that artists want to come up here
Speaker 1: and talk about stuff. I just don't think that's as
Speaker 1: important as y'all think it is, because a lot of
Speaker 1: our fans are content fans, they're not music fans. If
Speaker 1: someone comes up here and isn't able to play their music,
Speaker 1: because you can't do that with YouTube, Netflix, anywhere, it'll
Speaker 1: get white listed, hustling backwards. You can't even tell your
Speaker 1: label to let us clear a song that we could
Speaker 1: play on our show. What that's not a music consumer.
Speaker 1: You're selling music right now. You're coming up here just
Speaker 1: to try to be funny so you can get some views.
Speaker 1: That doesn't That does not move the needle on selling arts.
Speaker 3: Having this conversation with the artist, like the game is
Speaker 3: so fucked up, right because like you know, God, I'm
Speaker 3: on Serious XM. Right, it's a radio platform, it's a
Speaker 3: national platform. We play music. The music once it plays.
Speaker 3: If you wrote those songs or you're an artists on
Speaker 3: those songs, you will get paid from those songs. You'll
Speaker 3: have artists that will dub coming up to Serious to
Speaker 3: come and sit with y'all. No, I'm just saying in general,
Speaker 3: right because y'all high or they know the clips is
Speaker 3: going to go whatever whatever, that's not gonna ring the register,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And so that shit is,
Speaker 3: like the whole shit is, is convoluted and twisted. But
Speaker 3: back to your point, we also, I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: look at myself as a media personnelity, even though people do.
Speaker 3: I'm an artist, I create a right, but I think
Speaker 3: I have enough cachet in the business that I do
Speaker 3: have an opinion to talk about it as well. But
Speaker 3: I think that you talk about those people. Those people also,
Speaker 3: the consumers are important because they go out and consume.
Speaker 3: Right now, we're all streaming, so it's different, but they'll
Speaker 3: still go buy ticket y'all. Motherfucker's not buying tickets to shows,
Speaker 3: y'all calling the label, y'all calling the manager, y'all.
Speaker 2: Going in for free.
Speaker 3: And when you want access too, you want to go backstage,
Speaker 3: you want adapt the artists, you might.
Speaker 2: Want to Yeah, you might want to get some content,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So yeah, you're right to that in that regard, like
Speaker 3: we are the least important people because if you're if
Speaker 3: your objective is to put out music so that you
Speaker 3: can financially support yourself and your family, then the consumer
Speaker 3: is who you need to be focused on.
Speaker 1: And to me also, it's contradicting of what Ebro does
Speaker 1: that I admire about Ebro with his Apple show. Outside
Speaker 1: of what he does when de Deska Low and everyone,
Speaker 1: he also does his one on one interviews with artists
Speaker 1: that are still teetering on the line. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: Ebro will interview artists that are not a list and
Speaker 1: I think that does help them because on the Apple
Speaker 1: platform you can play the music afterwards because it's on
Speaker 1: their streaming site. And it's more important because we can't
Speaker 1: play music up here because we get flagged. Ebro can
Speaker 1: do that with his stuff and I think that's important.
Speaker 1: But why Ebro is doing it outside of him also
Speaker 1: making money as he should he as a family, It
Speaker 1: is to get that artist in front of people that
Speaker 1: will consume the music, the same people that Ebro is
Speaker 1: just shitting on right now.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Yeah, what are we getting the context of weird?
Speaker 1: The person that's supposed to have an opinion, You're trying
Speaker 1: to show them the artist.
Speaker 4: Well, it appears that he that he was also involved
Speaker 4: in the classic Yeah conversation of an album, and I'm
Speaker 4: sure people disagree.
Speaker 2: Everybody can have an opinion on that.
Speaker 1: We're all music snobs. And I also will not have
Speaker 1: conversations with certain people that I know don't love music
Speaker 1: the same way.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 1: There'll be plenty of people like, oh, I see where
Speaker 1: you're at with shit. I'm not even there's no point
Speaker 1: us even having a conversation. Literally, I get that there,
Speaker 1: but I don't shit on them as a human being
Speaker 1: to say that they do not matter and are not
Speaker 1: allowed to listen to music or have an opinion anymore.
Speaker 3: What I want to do, bro, and don't say one
Speaker 3: word so many they have in four hour conversations and
Speaker 3: debates about shit.
Speaker 2: I know how they get mad when you don't speak.
Speaker 1: I know it.
Speaker 3: No, I get my cut, I get out of there.
Speaker 3: But it's just so I be so fortunate when I'm
Speaker 3: in the chair, because then I can't really talk, but
Speaker 3: I be hearing people talk, and I mean to very
Speaker 3: very high regard and disagreement about shit. They just don't
Speaker 3: have any idea about it, and I just be like,
Speaker 3: y'all know what the fuck y'all talking about?
Speaker 2: But I felt like that with.
Speaker 3: Math, But I can't argue that because this music subjective, right,
Speaker 3: So I'm just like, how can y'all say that this
Speaker 3: artist has three or two or three classics and this
Speaker 3: artist has none?
Speaker 2: You too, were too about classic.
Speaker 3: Albums, not a rap album, not R and B album,
Speaker 3: a classic body of work. To me, it's just like
Speaker 3: and in that moment, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I get it, Like, it's all we all are going
Speaker 3: to experience and hear things and and take from art
Speaker 3: differently than others.
Speaker 2: So I get it.
Speaker 3: So we can have the conversation just because it's all
Speaker 3: entertainment for ships and giggles, But it's like certain things,
Speaker 3: I'm just not debating cert I just don't get when
Speaker 3: people speak matter of factly about shit that they just
Speaker 3: don't know, especially like business ship. We can talk about
Speaker 3: opinions on music. Everybody can have their opinion on that.
Speaker 3: People talk about now because you know, Son started fucking
Speaker 3: with Son because he did this or.
Speaker 2: He did the record, and.
Speaker 1: That shit is annoying as fuck. But to me, to me,
Speaker 1: that's not talking about music. That's content. You're in the
Speaker 1: content game. You're in the gossip game. You're in you're
Speaker 1: in the Wendy Williams World. Did Wendy talk about music, Sure,
Speaker 1: but Wendy was in the gossip world. To me, that's
Speaker 1: what those people are in.
Speaker 2: A protast.
Speaker 1: Wendy looking like, you know, a lot of the fucks
Speaker 1: she was talking about on her gay listen might be
Speaker 1: bad a thousand but but still gott But I mean
Speaker 1: to me again, I'm the same way in barbershops. I
Speaker 1: will just stay quiet because it'll be a lot of
Speaker 1: shit that infuriates me and it'll be like, you don't
Speaker 1: know what the fuck you're talking about, But I stay
Speaker 1: quiet because music. I'm a snob, yes, but I realized
Speaker 1: that music is not necessarily for snobs the way maybe
Speaker 1: the art world is that's very niche.
Speaker 2: Music is for the whole world.
Speaker 1: The volume of music that comes out every day is
Speaker 1: not the way bask yacht paintings come out, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could walk into a gallery and be like, bro,
Speaker 1: my two year old could draw this. We don't fully
Speaker 1: understand the fucking point and this and that whatever music
Speaker 1: is for everybody to just listen to, it can't be
Speaker 1: critiqued at the same snob level that someone like Ebro,
Speaker 1: myself or anyone else in this room feels it should be.
Speaker 1: It's for the average consumer. It's not for the snob.
Speaker 1: If you want that, then fucking go watch Whiplash and
Speaker 1: go shit on Timothy Chalamagne and say opera is the
Speaker 1: greatest thing of all time. I don't know be a snob.
Speaker 1: Where snobs are. Hip hop is the biggest genre in
Speaker 1: the world. It's not for snobs anymore. You can't ship
Speaker 1: on the consumer if you want to keep the ship moving.
Speaker 1: If we all still want to have jobs, we can't
Speaker 1: have snobs. Well, I mean, yam bars, listen, we wrapped
Speaker 1: all seasons, man.
Speaker 2: We all consumers at the end of the day. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. Some people can speak matter
Speaker 2: of fact, some can't. But I look at it.
Speaker 3: It's all entertaining. Even if you say some crazy shit
Speaker 3: and I want to laugh, I gotta laugh out of it. Look,
Speaker 3: it's like a cool I'm not gonna lose no sleep,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get upset. It's like that's how you feel,
Speaker 3: that's how you feel to We want to thank you
Speaker 3: for coming back, man, thank you, thank you guys for
Speaker 3: having to come back soon. Man, so we could talk
Speaker 3: some more. Chance perfect, Hopefully I get a chance to
Speaker 3: hug the matter. That's the only reason I came in
Speaker 3: hugging hours off from twelve to I think five, so
Speaker 3: you might have just just call it, just caught it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she goes in an overtime. It's double for the
Speaker 1: After that time, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe,
Speaker 1: be blessed.
Speaker 2: I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's told Ray
Speaker 1: No worran now