WEBVTT - Episode 467 | What Is A Classic? w/ Torae 0:00:00.640 --> 0:00:38.280 Willio and we are back sponsored by boost Mobile. 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:40.800 Happy end of the week. 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:44.040 Maul is very very disappointed because we have to come 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:46.960 in here and and start our podcast with Pat Poos today. 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.640 But I'm actually thrilled and we also have a friend 0:00:49.640 --> 0:00:53.559 of the show, Yes joining us today, our guide Torre Welcome. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:56.120 Thank you. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.280 Yeah. I don't know mister young conyans finding because I 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:03.400 was twenty years ago down there. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.400 You guys for having me. I'm a big fan. Yeah, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:07.720 what you guys are doing here? You know, wanted to 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.280 be on this couch right here, somebody from Cornela. Let 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.760 me ask you, how many times have you been to 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:15.360 the Bronx growing up, growing up or in my adulthood? No, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.479 an adulthood is different because you could drive to the bright. 0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.560 I'm talking about being young having to take the train 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:22.880 from Corney Island to the Bronx. How many times did 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:26.160 you do that? Probably like zero to negative five exactly, somebody, 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:28.520 I never want to take the truck. I want to 0:01:28.560 --> 0:01:30.840 turn twenty years what it is because we were talking 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:32.320 I don't know how many weeks ago, but we were 0:01:32.360 --> 0:01:35.760 talking about how long the train ride is from uptown 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:37.680 to Corney Island. That's like a two hour train. No, 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:40.039 that's literally from like the start to the end. Bro, 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:43.559 It's crazy. You get to you could take a flight 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:47.160 I'm talking about from my door to my mother's doing Virginia. 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:48.120 It's less than two hours. 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:50.000 No, you could get in the car and drive to 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.200 Philly and watch a Sixers game in the same amount 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:54.400 of time it takes you to get on the train, 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.920 especially if somebody jump on the track. That is something 0:01:57.920 --> 0:01:59.720 that that takes that long. Now is sick is a 0:01:59.760 --> 0:02:02.080 sick time. But like going to Corney Island was a 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:04.080 thing like that was like a day. But we're like, 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:06.200 are we going to Corney Island? Tomalls, go to Nathans 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:07.560 As you should, you know what I'm saying. But I 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.720 just wanted to know somebody being from Corney Island, how 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:13.160 how many times did you make the voyage from Corney 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:15.040 Island to the Bronx. The furthest we was going to 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.240 the train was to Hollom, You know what I'm saying. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:19.840 That was it right there, haul on the Bronx. And 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:21.320 then when I was a kid, I was I was 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.120 in trouble, so I couldn't go to like the school trips. 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:24.880 If we went to the Bronx or something. Okay, I'm 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:25.560 saying I couldn't do that. 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:27.239 I had no permission slips, So yeah, I would go 0:02:27.280 --> 0:02:28.880 to the Bronx zoo from now we probably would go 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:30.959 to Brooklyn, but just in case, on the off chance 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:32.079 if they might have wanted. 0:02:31.880 --> 0:02:34.400 To, I still couldn't go. Got you? She was fucked up? 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:34.919 All right? 0:02:34.919 --> 0:02:36.760 Well that's good to hear might have been from Corney 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:38.919 Island that they never made that trip, just like we 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:40.359 probably trip. 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:42.720 Let's let's do a stream city Islands, Corny Island, this 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:50.480 Summer City Island and Coney Island all public transportation. Yeah, 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.440 how are you gonna have service to do that way? 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:56.840 What's off to don? He's gonna give his free WiFi? 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:58.959 That is true. I forget. I forgot that was part 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:00.320 of his we'll get a free standing on. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.000 It's for the streamers of. 0:03:04.600 --> 0:03:05.200 It was free. 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.160 It was the free grocery store that opened one day 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:09.440 and closed. Right, Yeah, now that's closed, so then we'll 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.440 get free Wi Fi on the subway as well. 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:12.600 Got it? Crazy? 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:14.280 Well, why I was excited to actually talk about this 0:03:14.360 --> 0:03:19.239 Patpoos fifty Mano Max b debacle is because we have 0:03:19.360 --> 0:03:22.880 Brooklyn bias. In here, and we have geune and bias, 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:25.079 full geune and bias in here. 0:03:25.160 --> 0:03:27.200 I mean Max, Me and Max went to the same 0:03:27.320 --> 0:03:29.760 high school. So fair, I'll take Max in this fight. 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:33.760 Okay, So we will not get an objective opinion from 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.400 anyone in here, no whatsoever. Never I was talking to 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.640 demeras off Mike, I'm really coming in here being objective. 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:42.800 She does not think that. But I didn't mind the 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:45.119 Mano diss. I didn't mind the pat poos one thought 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:48.320 they were both cool. I'm just sick of twenty years 0:03:48.360 --> 0:03:50.360 hearing the same exact thing about fifty seven. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:56.000 Okay, that's fair. But if the Mara started shaking in 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:56.840 her chair when I said. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:58.480 I did not start shaking in my chair. I just said, 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:02.280 I'm tired of your bullshit. It because now suddenly every 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:04.520 time where there's a rat battle, you have to hear 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.960 some jaw dropping, jaw dropping new breaking news that you 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:09.320 never heard before in order. 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:12.520 For it to be so. He said he has herpes. 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:14.400 That was kind of a just put lies in the 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.520 in the We don't need facts. It been lies, just. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.039 What they said about fifty You got what herpies and 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.719 what diabetes? I've never seen fifties medical records. 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:28.160 I don't know. 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.480 First of all, diabetes shaming is funny. Yeah, that's being like, 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:37.159 you know you got you got type one. I'm taking 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:44.560 my ship like pancreous. They said that my mother ha 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:48.640 type one, Like damn, we can't have the beats. 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.920 No more where we add as a car. 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.320 No, I'm not saying that. I don't think every battle 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.480 needs to be post push and drake or U r L. 0:04:58.520 --> 0:05:00.320 Whill we find out where they went to hy school 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.480 this and that. I'm just saying it's been the same 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.919 exact rhymes for twenty years from everybody, fifty or not. 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.320 When they can say you are yo, you only got 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:12.920 shot five times, nine times, you're a snitch. You never 0:05:12.960 --> 0:05:13.760 really went to jail. 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:14.680 I heard. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:16.599 I heard this for twenty years. The wait the shots 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:20.080 is crazy? You got shot five times? Fan wasn't note. 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:25.719 Like alright, cool, shoot me once in the face and 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:26.760 you'll never hear the under. 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.000 Like, all right, now, you only got shot five times? 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:31.080 Stop saying nine all you got. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.920 It and listen, maybe that is true. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:34.760 They even interviewed the guy that was in the car 0:05:34.839 --> 0:05:36.800 with fifty and asked him that question straight up, and 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:39.640 he's a friend of fifty, He's like, maybe he wasn't 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.640 counting the shots. Yeah, like counting if I'm fifty, I'm 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.440 counting an exit wound as another shot. If I get 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:48.480 if it goes through my leg and there's two two, 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.000 that's two two. I got shot twice. I got shot 0:05:52.000 --> 0:05:53.400 once here it went through and then I got shot 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.839 again both sides. I'm adding up the exit wounds one 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.000 hundred percent. But that still didn't if you that's still 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:02.000 bad math. If you guys had five no one one 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.880 maybe just wasn't in and stayed in. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:08.120 Yeah, one was great. His story is getting better by 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:09.520 the shot. I'll tell you that. 0:06:09.920 --> 0:06:11.880 And if you shoot at me nine times, I'm saying 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.400 you shot at me like emptied the clip. That's imagine 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:17.520 somebody shooting at you and you hit not you know 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:18.279 you're adrenaline. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:18.680 You hurt Yo. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.640 The nigga shot at me twenty times, Like the number 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:22.960 is gonna change for me and my start every year, 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:23.680 the number changing. 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:24.920 How long did it take to pull off? 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:25.159 Though? 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:27.599 Like how you get that many shots of it's a lot, 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:31.279 Like the key wasn't indignition, These wasn't like it's a 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:31.800 long time. 0:06:31.800 --> 0:06:34.160 It's a long time. But the guy I think the 0:06:34.200 --> 0:06:36.160 guy's name is Deeve. I think that was his name. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.200 He was on cam copone in one of those platforms 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:41.000 he was saying he was he was like turned around 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:42.359 because they had to go the other way, so he 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:44.520 was doing like a K turn and I think ran 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:46.080 into the car of whoever. 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.240 Was behind dude that was just driving. 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:52.280 That motherfucker was bad. That that was crazy. 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:54.479 And he backed up into i think the car with 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.600 the shooter in it, and then was kind of like 0:06:56.680 --> 0:06:59.360 blocked off. And then the shots started, and he had 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:01.240 his girl in the front. See, and I'm not going 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:04.279 to pretend I'm like fucking Jason Bourne. If you start 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:05.719 spraying on my car, I don't know if I'm going 0:07:05.760 --> 0:07:07.839 to be able to be vin diesel and get us 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.640 out of there that quick. I might I might freeze 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:15.120 up turned on somebody shooting laws. 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:16.080 This is one way. 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.240 No, I think he was blocked in because in the 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.120 middle of the K turn he hit the car with 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:22.360 the shooter in it, so he couldn't really. 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:24.480 Get away closer to the at that point. 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.200 So I mean, but again, shooting nine times in the car, 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:29.040 that's a couple of second. That's a lot, like a 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:29.800 very long time. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.640 Look at what we're debating them, look at this to 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.480 the point of like if I get it's like, what 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.480 else really is there to talk There's no new nothing, right, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.720 he's been out of the music business, so you can't 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:46.040 talk about like what the sales is doing, you know 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.320 what I'm saying, Like, there's no new thing to talk about, 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.160 so he just talking about the same old things. 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.720 It's it's it's kind of makes Demani's look more credible, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.440 even though them didn't say anything that was. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:58.280 Like super new. 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:01.520 At least he did get into post fifties career and 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:04.720 how he's moved and who he's put on fifty You 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:12.360 could argue has moved somewhat selfish since since being selfless, Yeah, 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:14.320 more or less, because I think he did do a 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.520 lot for Thanks Jo and everyone, for sure, but he's 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.320 he's definitely moved for him and maybe not for the culture. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:21.720 You could make a case. I'm not saying that you 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:22.400 can make a case. 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:24.920 I'd rather Pap get into that because I think Pap 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:27.080 Foods is a great rapper that could come up with 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.960 a good theory rather than dog like You're not as 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:30.760 gangster as you say. 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:31.040 You are. 0:08:31.160 --> 0:08:34.800 He's fucking fifty one years old and is shooting TV shows. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.800 Do you think anyone cares if he's. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.400 I think the thing is a lot of these guys 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.560 have had as a writer as rapper, you know, you 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:46.200 always have bars for whoever the top right, just in 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:48.840 case the desicate it yourself where me and you're gonna 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:51.040 get into it. So I think this is just the 0:08:51.120 --> 0:08:53.319 time where we're hearing all of these bars that these 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:56.839 guys have had by these and now they got the 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.840 chance to get it off, got it. So it's not 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.000 about saying something new. This is shit they had here 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.280 or they had written down for the last. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:07.480 Fifty just wait and just just in case it's waiting. 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:09.800 Because he's a troll, he's a bully. 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.200 Came in with that energy, so every rap had to 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:13.800 be like, all right, if he ever come at me, 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:15.600 I got some ten thousand percent, you know what I'm saying. 0:09:15.720 --> 0:09:16.840 So I think that's what this is. 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:18.920 I think these are just bars that these guys have 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:22.160 already had, and now it's just the opportunity presented itself 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:23.200 for them to get their shit off. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:25.920 Yeah again, I just think there should be another angle. 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 I didn't mind Mano or patpoos is, to be quite honest, 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:33.160 Tom's point about giving out new information. This is why 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.360 rap battles are kind of funny when you step away 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.120 from it outside looking in Happoo's saying, Fifty, why haven't 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.120 you told the world you have herpes? Is one of 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.840 the funniest things I ever. Can y'all tell me how 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.520 fifty should have done his herpees? 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:46.839 Reveal? 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.079 Like but yo pass like yo, fifth, look at me? 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:50.880 Why have you not told the world you had herpies? Bro? 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:51.199 Like? 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:53.120 It sounds like a private matter to me. 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:58.679 That's a wild question. I'm telling you has reached a 0:09:58.720 --> 0:09:59.480 whole different level. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:02.480 And he's like, dude, do an nba, young boy? Did 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.520 you know? Young boys one of the craziest people ever 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.480 just to rap the idiots herbies like. I give him 0:10:06.520 --> 0:10:09.240 respect for rapid his truth, but I don't think everyone 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:14.560 is now owes us a rap about their their HSV. No. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.439 If I'm not having central intercourse with you, young lady, 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.680 I don't need to know any of this information ever 0:10:20.960 --> 0:10:21.640 in my life. 0:10:22.080 --> 0:10:26.760 And and let's move does it matter? Does it matter 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:28.240 if if somebody has herbies? 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.240 What that explains me is especially active with someone you 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.240 should know No, I mean yeah, but I'm saying, like 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:34.880 to us, does it matter to us? Do we give 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:35.240 a fuck? No? 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:36.760 I literally, if you found. 0:10:36.520 --> 0:10:38.240 Out your favorite rapp had herbes when he made your 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.439 favorite album, you think I'm a delete old music hurt 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:46.800 ain't ismatic no more? Yeah, Like what that means? What 0:10:46.840 --> 0:10:50.000 then does that mean to me? I can't even hear 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.000 nass like the same, Like I don't care who God Like, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.960 we could say that about all rap battles and we're 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 being hypocrites here because it did not change my life 0:10:58.920 --> 0:10:59.600 when I found. 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.200 Out that Drake had kid, but I was like, damn, 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:04.559 push got him. Like, Okay, I. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.679 Get what you're saying, but all that battles, that's a 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:10.520 little more groundbreaking news. Like you're doing all us running 0:11:10.520 --> 0:11:12.000 around with all the joints and all of that. You 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:14.640 got a whole child that nobody knows about, like none 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.719 of your fans, you know what I'm saying, Especially when 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.160 he's the vulnerable rapper and he's the heart on his 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:22.160 sleeve rapper to not talk about the birth of your 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.959 child obviously a private matter, but you know, I think 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:27.680 that was more like groundbreaking. Oh, Mike, he got a kid, 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:31.000 Like for real, like it's a child. But it wasn't 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:32.880 wild news. It was just more like, oh world, it 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:33.520 was just shocking. 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.560 I mean, fifty has rapped a lot about the injuries 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.400 to his body. Why not it's pancreas or a sexually 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.800 transmitted disease. If we're going through his track Recer, he 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:43.680 does talk about. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.200 His body a lot. Is the fifty Max Be song real? Yeah? 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:49.160 Yall, the video is real? 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.760 Too real? AI? 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.120 That's no, that's just how wavy of maxes he can. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:56.080 I was in Tom Square. I was like, was that 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:56.400 Max me? 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.719 But seriously, though, because of this whole AI ship, like 0:11:58.760 --> 0:12:00.000 we gotta start asking those question. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.319 So I agree with you. 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:03.040 When I saw the video, I didn't know if this 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.960 song was real or not. Because the video, I was like, 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:05.640 the video is fake? 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:06.160 Is it a real? 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:06.480 Joint? 0:12:06.559 --> 0:12:11.400 Yeah? Yeah, it maybe is it? Is it real? It's real? 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:12.120 It's yes? 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.320 Okay, all right, it probably is. 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:15.920 But I'm not going to say with the confidence that 0:12:16.000 --> 0:12:18.600 the America is saying, because I've heard some some records 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:20.720 I did not think were AI that were one thousand 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:21.280 percent of AI. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.440 When fifty posted that video, the AI video, that's what 0:12:24.480 --> 0:12:29.360 made me think, like, hold on is this real? Because ween, 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.720 it's this time now where you know people post sh 0:12:32.760 --> 0:12:35.240 it just making a joke, right, and it's like, all, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:36.240 is this a real song? 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:38.720 Though? Like that's that's my only thing, Like is this 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:39.640 a real song? Now? 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:42.079 Obviously Fifty posted it, so I guess you could call 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:44.360 that supporting the song. Max posted it too. 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.319 Max posted, but but again, people troll. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:52.600 He's not He's not putting a fake song on his 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:53.440 Vivo page. 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:54.920 That's a real This is a real. 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.360 He put it on he posted his vio. 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:58.480 Yes, no, but I'm saying fifty could have done the 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.920 AI audio as well as the video. It also would 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:04.760 not shock me that fifty would take a fan made 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:06.360 song at video put it on his. 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.360 Not on his youth, not on his official youth. 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.520 His hist y'all got fifty with the Maria and putting 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:14.000 it on your Vivo makes it a little different. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:16.280 Yeah, that's a little that's more of like a youth 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.000 stamping it like business. Yeah, because now you've goten counting 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:21.880 streams and that goes into your monetary situation. 0:13:22.840 --> 0:13:24.920 I was I hate AI videos, but this one did 0:13:24.960 --> 0:13:26.559 make me laugh throughout the entire thing. 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.560 It's like, god awful AI. 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:32.160 That makes it funny, but we actually looking at you know, 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:35.280 shit change in real time because now, like how much 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.400 how much did it cost to create this AI video? 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:39.520 I don't know, you know what I'm saying. So it's 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.880 like that's made though. Yeah, so that's what I'm saying. 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:44.160 You have this whole AI video. 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.480 We don't know who made it, probably free mind of 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:49.120 where somebody made it. Somebody made the video for him 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:50.840 for Yeah. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.439 So let's say fifty it took two liters of water 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:56.400 from the Midwest to make that. What it does this 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:58.400 is this is this Flint still doesn't have any. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.640 I mean, we're watching the land escape of entertainment change 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:03.440 though it's a different time, Like this is a new 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.040 element in battle rapping. That way, I could have this 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:10.080 video done in an hour to my distrack team, right, Like, 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:12.960 this is a whole different element of entertainment. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.880 Now, yeah, entertain I'm glad you said entertainment somebody. It's 0:14:15.880 --> 0:14:19.600 not really going to change rap battling in any real way. 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:21.960 It was just funny to watch, if you really think 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:23.560 about it. I don't think serious. 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.080 Was it fun with dre Day what they had a 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.560 fake ease they had to fake easy e right, I 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:31.680 can't remember old me name, but it's no different than that. Right, 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.720 Like before you get actors that look like somebody, then 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:36.520 cam have like Jimmy Walker man when he. 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:37.400 Was different dish in Jay. 0:14:37.560 --> 0:14:40.080 You know what I'm saying, And you don't have to 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:40.960 cast anybody. 0:14:41.040 --> 0:14:43.760 You could just type it in. You know what I'm saying. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.400 So it's really an exention of that what it technology 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:46.800 is at. 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.479 I will say as much as fifty doesn't take anything serious, 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.000 if I'm Mano, I would kind of feel a way, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:54.680 if you're doing an A I shouldn't be getting cut 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:55.040 in prison. 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:57.560 The other ship was all just kind of ha. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.360 But like you you typed in Mano get and cut 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.360 in prison to make an AI video. 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.120 Well, fifty didn't make the video. He posted it. He 0:15:05.200 --> 0:15:07.880 co signed it, Okay, but he's saying he made it. 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:08.800 He didn't make this video. 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.280 He just somebody made it send it to him like, 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:12.800 oh this is dope A right, I'm gonna post it. 0:15:13.160 --> 0:15:14.480 Yeah, but that's still co signing. 0:15:15.600 --> 0:15:20.479 I mean he wrapped it. You worried about the visual. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.280 He rapped I'm not. I mean, it's that all right. Whatever, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.320 I'm just saying out of everything that he said was 0:15:25.400 --> 0:15:27.520 kind of lols. I don't know how Mano really actually 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.200 took that entire thing, even though this record seems light 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:31.720 and Mano was just, you know, replying. 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:32.640 I don't know if he. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:34.760 Feel like, listen, man, this is what this is what 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.680 happens when you jump in the battle ring. If y'all 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.320 want to battle each other, y'all wan to go at 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:43.480 each other, which requires disrespect, then that's the art of it. 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.360 I'm going to talk about things that happened to you. 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.400 I'm going to talk about things that you did, things 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.960 that you didn't do. Like, that's what all of this is. 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:52.960 So that's not out of bounds for fifty to rap 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:53.440 about that. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.000 No, I didn't say it was out of bound. I 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:56.840 just I was wondering if that was something that you 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.000 just didn't want to say. That may not. 0:15:58.600 --> 0:15:59.360 I don't care about that. 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.600 I'm just not sure if Mano thought that was maybe 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:06.400 outside of the l O ls in our rap battle Oh. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:09.160 No, this is no battle. Yeah, battle once. 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.880 Is old, gloves is off. Aren't see that it's done. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:15.960 It ain't no rules and no women and children not 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:17.040 everything on the table. 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:19.760 Yeah, I'm just not I'm just not sure. 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.800 If Mato season, that's well that way, that's all, But 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.200 I mean, where where does this land are we going 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.480 to continue? Is? I actually think Dave's got the biggest 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.080 diss out of the entire thing. He started the intro 0:16:31.640 --> 0:16:33.320 talking about everyone was like, I'm not even talking about 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.200 you and then put Dave's face up there. Yeah, that 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:37.760 was the first person I thought we were going to 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:39.840 hear from, like, well, I'm not even worthy to be. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.280 Doing well because there's no there's no I mean, fifty 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:47.920 probably wasn't even really rapping the more when Dave started dropping, 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:49.600 so it's like, I don't even then. 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.520 But Day was in that that cipher that they did 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.560 for their podcast We're Fabos the podcast. 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:56.680 If they weren't doing a podcast, they wouldn't have been 0:16:56.760 --> 0:16:57.320 a part of that. 0:16:57.480 --> 0:16:59.080 Okay, but do you think that's not a diss though 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:02.880 to Dave. Yes, yeah, it's a slight ship. It's like, oh, 0:17:02.880 --> 0:17:04.199 you're not he not even talking to me. 0:17:04.320 --> 0:17:06.240 But I don't know if David sitting back like nah, 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:07.960 say something to me, I don't know if that's okay. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:10.520 What Demani and King were around when Fifty was rapping 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.120 and they caught a bar on the power intro, even 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:14.520 though fifty is lying to us to say. 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.280 He wasn't talking about them, he was talking about that. 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.000 Yeah, but once fifty posted a picture of their mom, 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:21.920 you can only expect that those guys are going to 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:22.520 jump in the ring. 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:24.440 Especially if they rap big facts. Yeah. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.400 I mean so at that point, fifty kind of sort 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:29.879 of pulled them into it by posting a picture of 0:17:29.880 --> 0:17:31.400 that mom. So they were like, all right, I wrap, 0:17:31.440 --> 0:17:33.919 I got some balls for fifty. But with Dave, it's like, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.679 you know, I don't. Fifty don't have he don't probably 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:37.640 never even met Davies. 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:39.920 No, I'm sure. 0:17:40.119 --> 0:17:42.159 I'm just saying he probably didn't. I don't know what 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.000 fifty be around with Dave yet, do. 0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:52.399 We think Dave or Fab replies Fab, yes, they. I 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.520 don't know if East is going to respond though, I 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.400 think he's in quad right now. But why though right now. 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:00.840 Nobody's fifty didn't say nothing to all that about him? 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.120 Is well, because that's what is that cloud see by association? 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:06.399 But is it cloud chasing? 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:08.400 If if he's put out a record and Fifty's say 0:18:08.400 --> 0:18:11.399 nothing about him, is he inserting himself into it? 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:11.800 No? 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:16.040 Horse, I mean god, that. 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.639 Was out of that and we already know it's unsafe 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.520 to do that with fifty see choking over here. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:25.760 No, absolutely not. But is that not cloud chasing? 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.360 No? If they be like, nah, fuck that you put 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.680 my face in your video and said I'm not even 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.320 worthy of dissing, you know what I'm saying, You're. 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:35.879 Not worthy of dissing. That's disrespect. 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.680 If he's randomly distant. 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.359 Before, I'm just asking the room, is that disrespect somebody 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.280 like you're not even you're not even worth disrespecting? 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:47.080 No disrespect. Okay, so I got to go make a record. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:48.320 Yeah, I don't know if you got to go make 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.200 a rick, but you know what I'm saying, I should 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:50.560 go make it. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:53.040 Even the clock like we're not watching the clock, but 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.080 you know, if the hands start moving like niggas, you 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:55.440 know what I'm saying. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:57.080 We ain't got unplugged. So I'm just trying to. I'm 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:57.439 just trying to. 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.639 You know, doesn't reply, I wouldn't think anything. But if 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:02.600 he does, I'd be like, yeah, I get it, yeah exactly, 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:04.159 which is a composition to be in. 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:07.440 I agree with that. I don't think he should though, Nah. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.920 For what I mean, how much did he really say 0:19:09.920 --> 0:19:13.040 about fab Besides that, the video made it worse because 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:16.399 it was it was mainly Mano throughout it, But like, 0:19:16.520 --> 0:19:18.760 was the fab shit that that crazy? It was the 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:20.720 video that made it nuts to me. 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.879 Yeah, but Fab already put out a record going with me, 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:24.359 so it's. 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:25.359 Just on the turn out. 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.760 Yeah, it's on is lit? This Fab care enough? 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.800 I was actually shocked fabcard enough to do the first one. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.199 I was probably just itching the rap anyway. Yeah, he 0:19:35.240 --> 0:19:36.919 want to wrap. I wouldn't want to get his ship off. 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:41.480 Yeah, okay, here's a series called Sultape, Go wrap did 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:49.080 heat tape? That's twenty twenty six. That's what we are. 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:52.840 But where is And I asked you this last week, no, 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.400 maybe two weeks ago. Now where does this ship end? 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.600 That's that's the real question. Where does this ship? I 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:01.520 was to be like, nah, I'm like, where is this end? 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:02.200 Is all I'm saying. 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:03.639 Well, when I was talking to you about it, it 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:05.159 was just the Harris family involved. 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:07.560 Everybody else was. But this was before that. Yeah, this 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:09.560 this started before the Yeah, this was this was with 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.000 Jim and Mayno, in fact, this was before Yeah, but 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:12.840 I thought that was over. 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.560 This is okay, So it's been three months we back. Now, 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.800 so now, what like when is this? Because that's why 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:22.159 I was like, I didn't think fifth because I told 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:23.440 you I didn't think fifty was gonna respond, and I 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:24.760 think he was gonna rap. I think I think he 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:27.080 was going to make music. I thought he was gonna 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:28.639 keep patrolling. You know what I'm saying, because that's what 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.000 fifty does. He's a troll, like he'd say shit on 0:20:31.080 --> 0:20:34.600 this on on on social media. He did the clever 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:36.680 move of you know, even though he did say that 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:40.680 that wasn't about uh, he's a liar, right, But didn't 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:42.640 I tell y'all, I said, now, if t I jump 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.200 out there and respond to that bar, we just spoke 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:47.240 about this in the last episode. I said, he didn't 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.879 say no names. We don't know what the New Power 0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:51.840 where it's gonna be based at. It could have some 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:53.280 Atlanta times in the New Power. 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.480 We don't know that. Y'all was like, nah, fuck that. Okay. 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.000 Now fifty comes out and says that that wasn't that 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:00.560 wasn't directed said. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.320 It wasn't about the Cosbys, which is a crazy thing 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:03.640 to say. 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.000 That's very so I said, Fifty says it, y'all like, nah, 0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:08.360 y'all not jacking that fifty Lion. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:10.560 He's lying, all right, Cool, y'all could think he's lying. 0:21:10.560 --> 0:21:12.720 I'm just saying he said it. So now I'm saying, 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:15.240 does t I respond to that again? 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:17.720 A massive question because he already said he was done 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:20.840 with it already. Oh yeah, So I think this this 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:25.880 ends when fifty starts focusing on the TI and Tiny Doc. 0:21:27.080 --> 0:21:30.680 Whatever Fifty's about to promote is when it ends. Fifty's 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:32.320 going to drag this as long as you think this 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:34.520 ends when he puts the doc. Oh, I think I 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:37.240 gonna get no, no, no, I'm saying this Domino Oka, 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.240 Max b Patpoo's Jim Jones, Like, I think this this 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.359 chapter is just an interlude until he gets to the 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:45.360 TI and Tiny Doc. 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:45.760 Got it? 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.120 Okay, this is to fill some time. Like you said, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.120 I'm the algorithms. Everyone have to talk about me, which 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:51.520 I mean isn't the case, but it's a fun thing 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:54.000 to say. Yeah, I think this ends when fifty moves 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:54.679 on to his next thing. 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:57.480 Yo, doing a doc is really crazy. Doing another doc 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:58.920 paron just crazy? 0:21:59.040 --> 0:21:59.119 Yo? 0:21:59.359 --> 0:21:59.960 Why is that great? 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:03.560 Like that's what the game has gone to, Like we're 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.359 doing documentaries about well he's not. 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:06.159 He's not. 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.080 Fifty is in a whole different space of entertainment now. 0:22:10.760 --> 0:22:13.080 He came in as a troll right with how to Rob. 0:22:13.240 --> 0:22:15.200 How to Rob was like one of the biggest troll 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:17.760 records ever for sure. So he came in with that 0:22:17.920 --> 0:22:19.720 energy like I'll go at anybody. I don't give a fuck. 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.160 I don't I'm not here to be friends with any 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:24.440 of yard. I don't fuck with none of y'all like that. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.399 That's always been Fifty's energy. Now that he's in a 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.680 different space in his life when it comes to entertainment, 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:31.800 it was the same trolling, just in a different It's 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:35.680 the same energy, but he's just delivering it differently. So 0:22:35.760 --> 0:22:37.800 it's like it's like it's like a disc record, right, 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:41.040 It's just ain't no music behind eight it's just eight episodes. 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:44.040 It's like, all, yo, this is these are the people. Look, 0:22:44.080 --> 0:22:46.920 these are the nasty guys that y'all support. I could 0:22:46.920 --> 0:22:48.320 have said this in a rap, Yeah, Fifty could have 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:50.280 said all of this in a rap. Yes, but he's 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:52.359 probably looking at it like, I don't even rap like 0:22:52.440 --> 0:22:55.479 that no more. I'm creating shows, which is why him 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.920 putting that bar that rightfully. So everybody felt like was 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.840 tailored towards TI. In the intro song to the New 0:23:02.920 --> 0:23:04.000 Power that was genius. 0:23:04.000 --> 0:23:04.200 Shit. 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:06.800 It was like, yo, right, this is how I'm gonna respond, 0:23:06.920 --> 0:23:07.919 Like people talk, y'all. 0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:11.400 Gonna hear this song every week, every episode, y'all gonna 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:15.600 hear this song clever, right, But that's part of his brand. 0:23:15.640 --> 0:23:15.760 Now. 0:23:16.000 --> 0:23:18.320 Business is part of the show for sure with the 0:23:18.400 --> 0:23:22.200 documentary coming off. For the documentary he just did about 0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.680 the Diddy doc that was number one in how many countries, 0:23:25.800 --> 0:23:28.280 Like it's about business for fifty because this is at 0:23:28.280 --> 0:23:28.880 the end of the day. 0:23:29.520 --> 0:23:31.000 Yes, it's wild to hear. 0:23:31.000 --> 0:23:33.639 Certain things this record, and sometimes people say things at 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.239 the end of the day, it's all entertainment though. 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.560 Yeah, now the doc is like, that's not. 0:23:40.080 --> 0:23:42.240 That we aren't gonna sit around and turn on our 0:23:42.320 --> 0:23:44.800 TV and watch it like we want to be even 0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:47.800 though it's things we're gonna hear like damn, like that's crazy, 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:49.960 But it's still a form of entertainment. 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.160 It's still a documentary that we're learning about things. 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:55.120 Like some of the things that are being said maybe 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:56.960 a little funny, it might be some jokes in there, 0:23:57.280 --> 0:23:58.639 but it's like at the end of the day, this 0:23:58.800 --> 0:23:59.520 is all entertainment. 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:01.680 This is but this is fifties. This is the area 0:24:01.760 --> 0:24:02.119 that he's in. 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:02.399 Now. 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.000 I never thought that hip hop would take it this far? 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:08.560 But is it crazy? Really? 0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:08.719 Though? 0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:09.800 Like this is who he Now. 0:24:09.840 --> 0:24:11.480 If this is the first Top fifty ever did a 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:15.520 documentary or ever did anything like in that lane with television, 0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:17.160 then it would be like, yo, what he doing? 0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:19.520 Like, but he's been in television the Vigin of the 0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:21.760 BF DVD. Yeah, so he's been in He's been in 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.720 television for how many years now? He's produced how many 0:24:24.800 --> 0:24:26.960 shows and things like? So this is part of his 0:24:27.480 --> 0:24:29.320 you know, the way he can choose to respond. Now, 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:30.639 I don't think it's anything crazy about that. 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:34.159 Which side of y'all on with the dandy part and 0:24:34.280 --> 0:24:36.680 now to be the TI thing that he wouldn't have 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:38.920 done these docks had he not had an issue with 0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:42.720 those people. Where do y'all land on? I don't want 0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.440 to say morally, but how that how that looks like? 0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:48.520 Okay, I understand that, Like if he didn't have an 0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.639 issue with with with Diddy, or if he didn't have 0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:53.960 this latest thing with TI, maybe he wouldn't have gotten 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:58.280 that but I mean, yeah, that's the way he chooses 0:24:58.320 --> 0:24:58.760 to respond. 0:24:58.840 --> 0:25:01.280 Now, Yeah, I mean we briefly talked about it with 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:04.359 the Diddy one, Like, yeah, do I think that fifty 0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.639 did that to Spike Diddy based off their history and 0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:08.400 his baby mother? 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:11.159 Yes, But I do think the information that was in that. 0:25:13.000 --> 0:25:16.920 In that entire series should have been out there. Like 0:25:17.000 --> 0:25:19.399 I'm glad that info is out there now about Puff. 0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.480 Was it done based off nasty intentions from Fifty? 0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:24.160 Sure? 0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:26.400 But I think the world needs to know these things 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.240 about some of our biggest entertainers. 0:25:28.359 --> 0:25:31.800 A fucking documentary can come out every day. The game 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.920 is this nastyr Niggas is super nasty. I was the 0:25:35.000 --> 0:25:38.840 bull for years. So it only it only sees the 0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.240 light of day when you have you know what I'm saying, 0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:42.560 you have a running when you have an issue with 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.159 a person, because then that makes you responsible in some 0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.879 regard because if you have this information, whether you got 0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:50.520 an issue with that person or not, if you have 0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.679 this information and the platform to get it out there 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.560 and the means to do it, then why not do 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:55.600 it for the greater good? 0:25:56.000 --> 0:25:57.359 I would? I think it's different. 0:25:57.440 --> 0:26:02.640 I think fifty, just because he's in television. I think 0:26:02.720 --> 0:26:05.240 people through back channels reach out and say, hey, somebody 0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.919 has this TI documentary that they put together. Yeah, fifty 0:26:09.000 --> 0:26:12.359 is just executive producing. They're putting money behind it and 0:26:12.440 --> 0:26:13.480 putting it on a platform. 0:26:13.560 --> 0:26:14.919 And that's why I think happened with the Diddy want 0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:16.439 to I don't. I don't think so they started up 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:19.159 the director works for puffing one. 0:26:19.160 --> 0:26:21.800 Nobody said I got the Harvey Weinstein joint cooked up. 0:26:21.960 --> 0:26:22.760 You want to get behind it? 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:23.160 Post? 0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.640 Yeah, well here's how they would call Harvey. They didn't 0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:27.960 have anyone, right, I don't think that. 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:31.280 I don't think those people reached out to fifty now 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.440 when it's rappers, right, and then you have somebody that's 0:26:34.440 --> 0:26:37.639 already in the world of television like fifty is, and 0:26:37.760 --> 0:26:39.840 then somebody said, yo, you know they got a little 0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.000 beef right now, it's like, oh shit, well let's hit 0:26:42.040 --> 0:26:44.120 him up and see if he'll and fifty. 0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:46.520 Is like, hell, yeah, I put the money and did 0:26:46.600 --> 0:26:47.320 he shot all of this? 0:26:47.480 --> 0:26:49.560 This this footage the camera guy that he was like, wait, 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:51.560 I don't have to shoot nothing but a couple of 0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:54.800 interviews in now, oh this is a layup. So you 0:26:54.840 --> 0:26:56.640 know what I'm saying, so I understand what you're saying, 0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:00.359 but at the same time, it's like, this is docu. 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.560 This is stuff that is already being done, like fifties, 0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:05.320 just coming in at the tail end of it, like, Okay, 0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:07.680 I'll put some money behind it, put executive produce a 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:09.400 credit on it, and let's put it out. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.320 And it's funny you bring that up, because this was 0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.240 a couple of years ago, a very very very big 0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:18.200 publication reached out to me based off some stuff we 0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:22.320 said on our podcast about an entertainer, and they wanted 0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.520 to quote, and it appeared like they had an entire 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:31.800 article ready to go about some of the sexual misconducts 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.200 of this person. And I never heard anything again, and 0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:37.920 every now and they'd be like, damn, it's been like 0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.920 almost three years since they had this entire big publication, 0:27:41.000 --> 0:27:43.320 had this entire thing ready to go, and it never 0:27:43.400 --> 0:27:45.240 came out. So to your point, I do think there 0:27:45.280 --> 0:27:48.119 are a lot of people sitting around with ready to 0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.840 go articles, documentaries all that, just waiting for the right 0:27:51.920 --> 0:27:54.240 time to capitalize with the most amount of money, be like, hey, 0:27:54.280 --> 0:27:55.639 I see what's going on over here. Just let you 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.119 know this is already done. We can get this out 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.159 in two weeks. So yeah, I think there's a lot 0:28:01.200 --> 0:28:02.920 of people that have docs waiting on them. 0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:05.760 Yeah, I'm not mad at fifty for executive producing these. 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:07.800 I mean, at the end of the day, it's it's 0:28:07.800 --> 0:28:10.200 the business that he's in now. It's just as a 0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:12.359 hip hop fan, as a as an MC and a 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.440 hip hop fan. It's a different route. It's not a 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:17.720 route that I thought we would see artists taking, you 0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.560 know what I'm saying. But yeah, I guess it's the 0:28:19.640 --> 0:28:23.160 evolution of the dissim it's the evolution of fifty though. Yeah, right, 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.360 he's not just an MC. He's not just a rap anymore. 0:28:26.600 --> 0:28:30.000 He's an executive producer in television and film. He's an actor, 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:31.639 he's you know, he's a lot of things. It's not 0:28:31.800 --> 0:28:34.800 just this ain't just booboo just going into booth rapping. 0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:35.960 This is not this is not that. 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.320 And fifty probably look at it like he's too old 0:28:38.400 --> 0:28:40.360 to probably still be trying to really rap like that 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.480 unless he got a TV show, unless you got it, 0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.920 But they give that that's part of his business. 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:49.000 Yeah, I'm not, but we're not mad at that. 0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:51.800 Like he's given us classic intros to those to those 0:28:51.920 --> 0:28:54.280 to those uh to those shows. So it's like, if 0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:56.080 that's the way he chooses to respond and do his 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:57.640 business now, which is the business that he's in. 0:28:58.440 --> 0:28:59.640 Listen, man, you gotta respect it. 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:01.520 And my crazy to say it is kind of the 0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:06.479 natural evolution from the DVD era where recipes Shorty low 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.280 is walking through TI's projects and asking where he's at, 0:29:10.040 --> 0:29:12.400 Like is it just that evolution of when rappers were 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:14.280 beaver that do diss records, then they do something on 0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:16.880 a DVD or on YouTube, we go to the neighborhood 0:29:17.000 --> 0:29:19.160 Like this is kind of the natural. 0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:20.600 Evolution same of that. 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.400 So now what if all of our favorite rappers or 0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:27.760 upcoming rappers start doing documentaries like everybody that got a problem, 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:30.520 Like if Ken Drake and Drake was it was it 0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.920 rap songs, if it was documentaries, that's wild, bro, Yeah, 0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.640 but it's wild because it would be wild if because 0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:39.800 we've never seen a documentary from those guys, Like if 0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.440 that was the first documentary. 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:41.680 Ites like what are they doing? 0:29:41.960 --> 0:29:44.280 But now the president is there, so now the door 0:29:44.400 --> 0:29:46.720 is open for people to do that. If it's the 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:50.600 evolution of it's just another lane of entertainment like when 0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:53.320 Jay did summer summer jam and he had the pictures 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.720 of Prodigy, right, It's like, oh shit, that was the 0:29:56.720 --> 0:29:58.920 first time a lot of people saw those pictures, right, right, 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.840 So now let's just put the documented Let's let's interview 0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:03.360 the ballet teacher that. 0:30:03.440 --> 0:30:08.120 Was on that project that I'm just saying, yeah, but 0:30:08.160 --> 0:30:10.600 I'm just d yeah. 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:13.600 But imagine if Jay went that route though, Like we're 0:30:13.600 --> 0:30:16.480 gonna go and it's like it's still and it's funny, 0:30:16.560 --> 0:30:18.600 let's laugh, But it's like, what's wrong with a kid, 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:21.360 you know, I don't know how probably maybe six seven 0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:21.880 years old. 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:24.400 And dance class, Like, what's wrong with that? Good? 0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:24.800 Now? 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.080 If thes is good, if he left, if he left 0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:30.000 the infamous video set and then went to go to ballet, 0:30:30.080 --> 0:30:35.800 then it's like, yo, what pe doing? Like you know, yeah, 0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.840 it's like now that's kind of like but as a 0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:39.760 six seven. 0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:41.760 Eight year old, it's like it was shock value and 0:30:42.320 --> 0:30:44.480 it was a chink right in the almah right, and 0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:47.280 did something to his credibility the street dude, because the 0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:49.920 street dudes, I know never took ballet, right, So as 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:51.480 a street dude, that is you know what I'm saying, 0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:53.240 I ain't super and nigga get shot stagged. 0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:55.480 You was in it, you know, I mean and it 0:30:55.600 --> 0:30:58.000 did shoes. We get it. We look at you at 0:30:58.000 --> 0:30:58.560 a different light. 0:30:58.640 --> 0:31:00.480 But it's so crazy because it's like as six years 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:01.960 why would you look at that in different life? 0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:05.040 That's what that's like. I had a choice. I had 0:31:05.040 --> 0:31:06.560 a choice. That's six years old, and tell my mom, 0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:07.360 I'm not going to dance. 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:09.480 Also, why we don't care about facts? He put up 0:31:09.520 --> 0:31:11.880 the said, I got the uh your ballery, I got 0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:13.560 the pictures. I seen you. He put the photo up. 0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:16.400 He's not dressed as a ballerina. Define he dresses Michael Jackson. 0:31:18.520 --> 0:31:21.160 There's not a ballerina in sight. He's literally dressed like 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.440 Michael Jackson. And we all were like, yo, you're a ballerina. 0:31:23.520 --> 0:31:26.720 It's like, that's a good point. That's a good That 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:32.400 was Halloween about that was Halloween fail? 0:31:32.480 --> 0:31:37.720 That's crazy. He ain't like thriller. Yeah, that was Halloween, 0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:39.240 which expected me. I was Michael Jackson. 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:41.959 I'm sure was Michael Jackson. Halloween. 0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:43.280 Definitely Michael Jackson. 0:31:43.640 --> 0:31:46.600 Everybody was at one. It was to Michael Jackson. He 0:31:46.640 --> 0:31:54.160 probably was Mike and beat It Mike me different albums. Yeah, yeah, 0:31:54.280 --> 0:31:55.240 we'll see where this goes. 0:31:58.480 --> 0:31:58.520 MA. 0:31:58.680 --> 0:32:01.520 Boost mob is proving that you don't have to overpay 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:02.320 for great wireless. 0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:03.920 I don't know why you do that to yourself. I 0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:05.960 do do that as a friend. I'm sitting here. 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Well it's 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:57.080 out now when they're yes, We thought we were getting. 0:32:58.360 --> 0:33:02.120 Like three singles before the entire thing we got no music, 0:33:02.560 --> 0:33:05.280 nine songs. I'm kind of shocked. 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:07.040 Jack to the short albums. 0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.880 But after three years of just like one or two records, 0:33:11.360 --> 0:33:14.280 no real single, that's not really how Jack's formula has 0:33:14.320 --> 0:33:16.280 been in the past five to seven years. 0:33:17.000 --> 0:33:21.720 That's risky, risky or just a different approach. Why is 0:33:21.760 --> 0:33:23.200 it risky? Why do you say risky a. 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:27.920 Different approach as always risky when uh, yeah, I guess. 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:31.000 I guess it's just something different for your audience, something 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.920 that they're not used to you doing. So it's it's risky. 0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:37.120 But I think that we just spoke about it non songs. 0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:39.760 I kind of like that though. I kind of like 0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:42.760 Jack just giving us that non songs. I don't know 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.640 what this sounds like. I love the video he gave us, 0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.600 was that last year when he was walking through Manhattan, 0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.720 like shinead O'Connor, like any of those songs that he 0:33:52.800 --> 0:33:55.080 dropped those Lucy's on the track Listen is a song 0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:55.800 titles out there? 0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:58.560 Yeah, we have the track list up. It appears that 0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:00.480 none of the records that came out, not even the 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.440 just Us Dojakat single is on this. So nine brand 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:07.800 new songs off the whim Why say this is risky 0:34:08.719 --> 0:34:11.439 because if you go with Come Home the Kids Missu, 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.560 which is one thirteen. Again, I'm not a numbers person. 0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:15.520 I don't give a fuck. If the music is good, 0:34:15.520 --> 0:34:17.000 the music is good, I don't care. I'm just saying 0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:18.960 how risky it can what you pulled up the numbers 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:23.640 because Jack Harlow is an artist that has entered that 0:34:23.800 --> 0:34:28.719 world when you're making records like nail Tech. Even if 0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:31.480 that wasn't Jack's purpose when he went in the studio, 0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:33.960 He's now entered the world where numbers do matter when 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:36.400 you're making records like that. And I thought it was 0:34:36.440 --> 0:34:38.399 actually kind of great that he put out Paul's jack 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:41.239 Man right after Come Home the Kids Missu because he 0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.520 was getting put in that TikTok teeny bopper rapper shit 0:34:44.560 --> 0:34:46.560 and he's like, nah, a rap for real. And that 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:49.320 was cool that it sold thirty four thousand, which is 0:34:49.719 --> 0:34:51.160 great but not coming off one thirteen. 0:34:51.200 --> 0:34:52.759 But it was a mixtape. I felt like it was like, 0:34:53.120 --> 0:34:55.040 let me just throw this out, no promotion. What's I 0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:56.840 didn't know? I mean again, not that it matters. I 0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:57.800 didn't know that it didn't do. 0:34:58.840 --> 0:35:00.920 I didn't have any singles. It was similar to just 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:02.920 putting out something like that, but it felt like one 0:35:02.960 --> 0:35:05.279 of those hey just a reminder I could wrap. It 0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:08.239 was all Chipmunk's soul samples, like I think it was 0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:10.520 trying to win back crowds like meat. 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:11.560 That was like I remember when you. 0:35:11.600 --> 0:35:14.640 Used to like rap rap. I like jack Man a lot. 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.399 I hated the title, but you know, wow, I would 0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:21.600 never say it. It's a wild title. So after Come 0:35:21.640 --> 0:35:25.080 Home the Kids Miss You was about three four years ago. Yeah, 0:35:25.239 --> 0:35:28.719 I think you being in the A list rap category, 0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:30.959 it's kind of crazy to just put out a nine 0:35:32.360 --> 0:35:33.439 track shit with no single. 0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:35.080 But he put out like a couple of Lucy So 0:35:35.160 --> 0:35:37.040 does that not start the rollout? 0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:39.920 It did, But like when he did what Maul was 0:35:39.960 --> 0:35:42.799 talking about to Set You Free and Tranquility stuff when 0:35:42.840 --> 0:35:44.279 he was in the city. Then I thought when he 0:35:44.320 --> 0:35:46.160 put out just Us with Doja Cat, like, oh all right, 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:49.480 we're starting, and I really fucked with that record, but 0:35:49.560 --> 0:35:51.440 it was still closer to the nail tech stuff and 0:35:51.560 --> 0:35:53.480 like all right, the labels like, hey guy, we know 0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.839 you like to rap, but come on, let's sell some units. 0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.440 That was what year did that Dojah catch? That was 0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:01.319 twenty twenty five, yeah, about the year ago. 0:36:01.400 --> 0:36:04.080 That was a lot that didn't last long enough to 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:06.480 then go into an album. This is a completely different project, 0:36:07.040 --> 0:36:11.440 so I think it's it's risky. I'm excited. I'm excited 0:36:11.480 --> 0:36:14.239 because it is this rollout and maybe it's nothing like 0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.480 come home the Kids Miss You, But we'll see. 0:36:17.920 --> 0:36:18.920 We've seen this done though. 0:36:18.920 --> 0:36:22.920 We've seen like the pre album rollout extensive, and we've 0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.640 seen the post album roll out. Sometimes you got a 0:36:25.680 --> 0:36:28.040 factor in like what's going to be more beneficial? Is 0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:30.480 it really like setting it up and then it drops 0:36:30.520 --> 0:36:31.560 and you do a little bit and then you go 0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:33.759 on to roll or is it like drop the music, 0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.160 see what people gravitating towards, and then't. 0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:37.680 Do your rollout while the music is out. 0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:40.800 So now every time somebody discovers a new conversation or 0:36:40.840 --> 0:36:42.600 what have you, they go right to it and now 0:36:42.640 --> 0:36:44.200 you're up your running up the streams. 0:36:44.640 --> 0:36:48.480 I think post these days is way, way, way more important. 0:36:48.960 --> 0:36:52.640 But with artists like Jack, artists like Bruno Mars on 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:56.200 this last project that really didn't know no pre shit, 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.680 no real like one single that was two weeks away 0:36:58.719 --> 0:37:01.360 from the project, you see difference and numbers matter with 0:37:01.400 --> 0:37:04.560 those types of artists now, like someone like Dochi post 0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.879 promo is so important to her because she was still 0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:08.520 on the come up and then TD locked in like 0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:11.520 not everyone knows this girl, So let's put something out 0:37:11.560 --> 0:37:13.600 and then work the records that are on this project. 0:37:14.239 --> 0:37:16.800 That's the best strategy with artists like that. But you 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:18.480 need both when you're someone like Jack Carlow. 0:37:19.680 --> 0:37:21.120 I think Jack, I think this is a. 0:37:21.280 --> 0:37:27.480 An interesting position for Jack because I think this project, 0:37:27.520 --> 0:37:30.160 based on what it sounds like, it's gonna tell us 0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.719 which direction they really trying to go with Jack. 0:37:33.239 --> 0:37:35.719 Is he rap? Is he more pop star? Like? What 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:37.160 are you? Where is he going? 0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:42.040 Because when you have a song with Dojah, now everybody 0:37:42.080 --> 0:37:44.759 can get a Doja feature, right, you have one of 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.439 the biggest songs in one of the projects with Drake, 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:49.520 and then you have you know what I'm saying success 0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:51.799 like you said with Nail Cheking those types of songs, and. 0:37:51.880 --> 0:37:54.600 Your feature with Drake ends with him saying you know, 0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:58.160 Jack is the next one up. Yeah. But so now 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:01.680 this project non songs. What does this sound like? Is 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:06.280 this rap rap? Is this you know, more rap? Pop? 0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:07.080 You singing? 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:09.440 Is it more melodic? Is it more like I think 0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:15.160 this project is important for Jack's his sound because it's 0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:18.040 like we still don't know which route Jack haller with, 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:19.760 Like we don't know where we place him yet. 0:38:19.920 --> 0:38:21.200 Or where they're allowing him to go. 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.480 You know what I'm saying, Like because there's so much 0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:25.719 Paul's riding on it, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:38:25.920 --> 0:38:27.919 you got you know what, we know what Atlantic does? 0:38:28.040 --> 0:38:29.640 You know what I'm saying, You got Jen Now? Obviously 0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:31.279 they got they say in it. Obviously those guys not 0:38:31.360 --> 0:38:33.719 to make incredible records and make history. So it's like, 0:38:34.160 --> 0:38:36.200 or does Jack finally have the freedom to do whatever 0:38:36.239 --> 0:38:37.680 he wants to do on this project? You know what 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:39.360 I'm saying, Like we really got to listen to the 0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:41.160 music and see because it really you know what I'm saying, 0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.320 it's like the Triple stands, it could go in any direction. 0:38:43.719 --> 0:38:45.880 Yeah, yeah, because I mean even with Jen now, like 0:38:45.920 --> 0:38:48.879 they didn't they didn't sign Jack when he was making 0:38:48.960 --> 0:38:52.960 music like nail Tech like the Sweet Action though that 0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:55.080 was just Jack rapping. To me, I feel like Jack 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:58.080 is more paulse Jackman than he is the nail Tech stuff. 0:38:58.080 --> 0:38:58.359 I agree. 0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.600 That's where I'm I'm on most out of like This 0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:02.800 is going to be kind of the defining fork in 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.080 the road for you of do you want to follow 0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.320 the year the next up darling rapper or do you 0:39:08.360 --> 0:39:11.839 want to just keep rapping and with no rollout? Though 0:39:12.080 --> 0:39:13.719 makes me feel like Jack is like Dough. I don't 0:39:13.719 --> 0:39:14.360 really want to do that. 0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:17.040 Other shit, just rapping, Like I think I can make 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:18.799 a nice career well for a rapper, for a guy 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:20.120 who can rap, you know what I'm saying, Like we've 0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:23.200 seen early on his music, his YouTube videos, etc. For 0:39:23.239 --> 0:39:25.080 a guy who can really rap. When they start saying, yo, 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.520 you rapping like Drake or you Drake Light. You know 0:39:27.560 --> 0:39:29.640 what I'm saying, that like does something to your ego 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:32.239 that's like I'd get busy, not just say that Drake 0:39:32.280 --> 0:39:32.759 can get busy. 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:34.080 But we know what that means when they say that 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.200 that connotation. So yeah, he might be rebelling. He might 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.279 be bucking against the system, like now let me just rap, 0:39:39.520 --> 0:39:40.400 you know what I'm saying. 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:43.600 Because I think, I mean, it's incredible and deserve that 0:39:43.719 --> 0:39:46.680 he does like Barclay Center. But I'm sure he probably 0:39:46.840 --> 0:39:50.440 got a little bit of the Steve Lacy feeling when 0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:52.919 he was going to his shows on that last tour 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.759 of like, this is a lot of TikTok kids. This 0:39:56.920 --> 0:39:59.239 is not really who I set out to rap for. 0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:01.960 I don't think Jack is that. I don't think he's 0:40:02.000 --> 0:40:04.000 just chasing fame or whatever new record. I think he 0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:07.160 really just loves to rap. So maybe he's making that decision. 0:40:08.200 --> 0:40:10.239 I saw who was showing up to my shows, and 0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:12.360 of course my core was there. But you can't just 0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:15.879 have a core sellout Barclay Center unless you're fucking J Cole. 0:40:15.960 --> 0:40:18.040 But yeah, I'm sure he looked at that crowd and 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.359 was like, Oh, it's a lot of TikTok children in here, 0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:24.200 and I can't sustain that for the rest of my career. 0:40:24.280 --> 0:40:26.680 It's gonna be tough for Jack though, Like, if we're 0:40:26.680 --> 0:40:28.000 being honest, it's gonna be tough. 0:40:28.120 --> 0:40:28.200 Bro. 0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:32.480 Why because this is all right when you're a white rapper. Yeah, 0:40:32.640 --> 0:40:34.400 thank you, bro. 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:36.960 It's only it's like, Bro, I don't you can't come 0:40:37.040 --> 0:40:39.600 in here and try to like Eminem krap. 0:40:40.600 --> 0:40:42.480 But he was on TRL a lot. 0:40:43.239 --> 0:40:44.960 Yeah, No, Eminem was a pop star. So this is 0:40:45.000 --> 0:40:47.399 what I'm saying. So Jack can't fight, he can't buck 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:48.240 against the system. 0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.840 I got it pop, But Jack did something that I 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:54.960 don't think any white rapper has ever done. Correct me wrong, 0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:56.399 coming off the cover. I don't think I've ever heard 0:40:56.400 --> 0:40:58.160 a white rapper play at the club, play at a kickback, 0:40:58.160 --> 0:41:00.319 play at the party. Jack Carlow is the only white 0:41:00.400 --> 0:41:02.279 rapper I know that I could throw on around a. 0:41:02.280 --> 0:41:04.800 Bunch of girls. Is he more Mac Miller? 0:41:05.280 --> 0:41:07.800 Matt Mack with a certain type of chick that I 0:41:07.800 --> 0:41:09.799 would particularly like to hang out with. Would definitely fuck 0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:11.040 with Mac if I threw it on in the car. 0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.880 I'm saying, if I go with the i G Batties, 0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.399 if I'm on a boat in Miami, I've never heard 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:18.920 a white rapper play the way Little Baby plays at 0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:21.000 a spot. I've never seen a white rapper do that. 0:41:23.280 --> 0:41:26.359 Interesting. Yeah, that's the point. That's the point I've never 0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.879 thought about. Of course, there's women that like other white rabbit. 0:41:29.880 --> 0:41:30.520 I'm not saying that. 0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.320 But but if you're it's the music, Yeah, nail strip 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.799 clubs like everything? Was it the first class that record? Yeah, 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.840 the first class like those just pop like first classify. 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:42.359 They're sampling pop record. Yeah. 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:44.879 So that's what I'm saying, it's like he gotta go pop. 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:48.000 Maybe he the pop, Larry June. 0:41:48.040 --> 0:41:55.000 I don't know what I'm saying. 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:57.320 Like women like Larry, women love Larry. They listen to 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.480 Larry June. They like Larry June, they like your style. 0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.200 You know what I'm saying. And it's like, Okay, Larry, 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.080 he got some bars, but Larry is more cool here, 0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:06.680 shit talker. I don't really look at Larry JUNI to 0:42:06.760 --> 0:42:09.319 bar you down. He gonna just talk fly shit. You're 0:42:09.320 --> 0:42:11.879 gonna talk shit on every song. Sound it's gonna sound cool, 0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:15.080 You're gonna look cool. I don't know if Jack want 0:42:15.120 --> 0:42:18.320 to be that, if you want to be Mac Miller, 0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:21.040 if you want to be Drake, if he want to be. 0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:24.200 I mean, I think he tried with Come Home to Kids, 0:42:24.239 --> 0:42:26.360 Miss You to capitalize on the moment he had with 0:42:26.440 --> 0:42:28.319 the two big singles and still try to make music 0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:30.520 that he liked, Like he brought Pharrell on and tried 0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.399 to do his Pharrell ship, Like he tried to find 0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:34.480 a good balance, and I think he got frustrated. And 0:42:34.560 --> 0:42:37.040 then Pauls gave us jack Man right after, like yeah, nope, 0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.920 let me go back to soul sample Chipmunk, shit, I 0:42:40.000 --> 0:42:40.759 can't keep doing this. 0:42:41.120 --> 0:42:44.239 Yeah, but especially being able to do that project. They 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:46.359 might it might be more pressure for him to come back, 0:42:46.440 --> 0:42:47.960 Like you can't do that two times in a row. 0:42:48.200 --> 0:42:49.960 You know what I'm saying, Like we need because we 0:42:50.280 --> 0:42:51.840 know what he's signed to, know that, we know what 0:42:51.880 --> 0:42:54.040 they on over there. You know what I'm saying, They like, Yo, 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.640 we need to ring the register. We need especially you 0:42:56.760 --> 0:42:59.600 are one of our like marquee acts. You know what 0:42:59.600 --> 0:43:01.920 I'm saying, Like, you can't just do a vanity project 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.320 back to back to back because to the point of 0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.759 him being a white rapper, that means that the door 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.239 is always open to certain things that other artists are 0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:11.239 not going to get. The opportunities is there to do 0:43:11.320 --> 0:43:13.000 shit the other artists are not gonna get. They're not 0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.160 gonna let you waste that back to back to back. Yeah, 0:43:16.280 --> 0:43:18.040 he had the movie Look with White Man Can't Jump 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:18.880 to and he. 0:43:18.960 --> 0:43:21.680 Was with Ben and Matt Damon and I forgot the 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.399 name of the movie. It was a great movie though. Yeah, 0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:24.400 I mean he died in the first time, So this 0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.400 is what I'm saying. He was still acting with Ben 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:30.160 and Matt like the big deal. That's a that's a thing. 0:43:30.560 --> 0:43:33.640 So listen, the justice Dojacat record is more in the 0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:37.319 lane of nail Tech in first Class. So I was like, oh, yeah, 0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:39.200 Atlantic's not letting him, so to me, this is me 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:43.880 just giving complete conspiracies. I think because this came out 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.239 March twenty first, twenty twenty five, literally a yeah year. 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:50.080 I think Atlanta, you guys are trying to keep me 0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:51.840 in this fucking lane. I don't want to do the 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.960 shame more because the Dojacat record did great, but he 0:43:55.040 --> 0:43:56.759 didn't stick like first Class or nail Tech. 0:43:56.880 --> 0:43:58.239 Well you know, I mean, I think he was probably 0:43:58.280 --> 0:44:00.400 like see work that goes along with that. Sure, if 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.080 the artist is not willing to do it, because the 0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:05.239 record was a record that they could have made, go yeah. 0:44:05.280 --> 0:44:06.800 But if the artist is not willing to do it, 0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:08.200 you know what I'm saying, Like, it's not gonna go 0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.040 but so far, but they shot a video. It's a 0:44:10.080 --> 0:44:12.040 great video too. Yeah he was, he was at least 0:44:12.160 --> 0:44:13.560 into it in that much. 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:14.200 In that regard. 0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:18.080 Yeah, I'm I'm curious, very very curious where this album 0:44:18.160 --> 0:44:18.520 is gonna go. 0:44:18.800 --> 0:44:21.040 Yeah, I'm about to say, because I like Jack fuck 0:44:21.080 --> 0:44:25.120 with you, but with this sound like I'm mad Drama 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.160 didn't send us to fucking the album before it came out. 0:44:28.200 --> 0:44:29.840 But like, I want to know what this shit sound like? 0:44:30.480 --> 0:44:35.239 Cool lake man, this is this is all right, Jack? 0:44:35.280 --> 0:44:36.680 And you come on and you give us these non 0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:39.600 tracks and you want here giving us pop songs. 0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.480 That that's where you at, that's what we're gonna place you. 0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.960 I also say, because I do think Jack Carlow is 0:44:44.200 --> 0:44:47.040 a great artist. That also maybe tells me he's very 0:44:47.080 --> 0:44:50.160 confident to put out nonose I got none songs, no 0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:51.239 roll out here you go. 0:44:51.480 --> 0:44:54.040 I'm extremely confident in this album. And there's no he 0:44:54.040 --> 0:44:56.240 didn't well not we don't know if there are any features, 0:44:56.280 --> 0:45:01.800 but he didn't listen non songs. No, what if you 0:45:01.800 --> 0:45:06.719 don't got no features? I mean listen, what if you 0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:08.240 produced it all hisself and no features? 0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:08.880 No, no, no, no. 0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:10.640 I don't want that. I don't want that. I don't 0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:12.520 lose their mind. 0:45:13.000 --> 0:45:15.440 Only one artist. Allow all. 0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.120 Listen, stop producing your own songs. 0:45:21.560 --> 0:45:24.000 Stop Like, I get it, that's a skill set. But 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:25.680 it's okay to like the world we spoke to. It's 0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:28.680 okay to put other producers in the room and gets something. Yeah, 0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:30.360 it's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. 0:45:31.600 --> 0:45:33.759 The feature in the studio with Jack all those songs 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.319 that I don't think is going to be on there. 0:45:35.360 --> 0:45:37.680 Rough the timing. I don't remember that that was what 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.600 three They can only be one artists I'm talking about. Okay, Yeah, 0:45:41.719 --> 0:45:44.520 I don't think that's on there. That's not on there? 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:48.640 Yeah, definitely, not only I hear it, but the confidence 0:45:48.680 --> 0:45:51.160 that responding with I don't think it's on there. 0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.880 Who do you when you think of outside of Kanye obviously, 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.840 who do you think of when you think of rappers 0:45:57.880 --> 0:45:59.439 who are actually able to produce their. 0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.759 Own records and do a good job and. 0:46:02.840 --> 0:46:08.640 Do a good job and do a good job here? None? Really? 0:46:08.719 --> 0:46:12.400 I like rock MANSI I like ro no reduction. 0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:15.080 Yeah rock, but that's rock is not I don't ever 0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:17.479 want to hear him work with all the producers because 0:46:17.480 --> 0:46:21.040 it's gonna change who rock is. We go alchemists, But 0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:22.560 that's kind of that, that's one of the same. That 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:25.520 sound is so similar. It's that boom bat real raw 0:46:26.080 --> 0:46:28.839 like out of the pocket flow. But like, I don't 0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:32.400 want to hear rock go get like a Swiss beat. No, 0:46:33.080 --> 0:46:34.600 see what I'm saying, Like I don't want that. I 0:46:34.640 --> 0:46:37.040 don't don't don't do that, like keep it, keep it. 0:46:37.160 --> 0:46:41.799 There may may be conductor maybe, like you said, Al 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:45.040 conducted those guys maybe, but we can't get too far 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:47.000 away from the rock sound. But yes, you're right. Rock 0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:50.719 is definitely his last project. Incredible like with him and 0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.440 Arrow and all of them did like incredible project. 0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.800 Outside of Southern Playlistic, Cadillac Funky Music, our Cast produced 0:46:58.719 --> 0:47:01.040 Big Boy and three Stacks produced every album. 0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.000 I mean that's Dungeon Family. 0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.399 Though, no know what I'm saying. They did Dungeon Family 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.080 on the first one, go check the credits. After that 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:09.000 that was Big Boy and and Andre. I mean the 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.400 they immediately said the Dungeon taught us how to produce, 0:47:12.480 --> 0:47:13.560 like we look at Really. 0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:15.560 I never knew that. I thought always thought they had 0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:16.440 outside production. 0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:19.000 I mean you always thought it was Rico and but 0:47:19.120 --> 0:47:21.680 that was the first project and then from there Outcast 0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.680 kind of did their their own thing. I think David 0:47:24.680 --> 0:47:28.120 Banner is one. I think Pimp C is one. I 0:47:28.200 --> 0:47:31.719 think there's a lot of rapper producers that maybe don't 0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:33.880 flaunt it the way Kanye did, so we don't realize 0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.040 that they're making all of their beats. 0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:40.040 Kanye obviously Kanye saw Yeah, Yeah, Kanye obviously the best 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:43.160 to do it. But but like, but, like Toy said, 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.560 rock is probably one that gets it right. And I'm 0:47:45.600 --> 0:47:47.960 thinking about right like artist in the now. Obviously I 0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.800 could list a bunch of like classic producer MC yeah rockers. 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:52.799 I mean, he's a legacy, but. 0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:54.360 He's yeah, yeah, he's one of those you know what 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.840 I'm saying, Like he's somebody that's still super relevant right now, 0:47:56.960 --> 0:47:59.200 put out something. You know, the merch go crazy, the 0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:00.839 pop ups go craz he so he's one of those 0:48:00.880 --> 0:48:03.719 guys that's all his esthetics. Yeah, well he's just a 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:06.399 fly nigga. But I ain't gonna lie. I don't want 0:48:06.400 --> 0:48:08.920 to hear Jack do it though. No, yeah, I don't 0:48:08.920 --> 0:48:09.080 want to. 0:48:09.400 --> 0:48:10.399 But I don't think anyone's thinking. 0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:12.520 You know, I'm just saying that because We's how we 0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:13.400 started a conversation. 0:48:13.560 --> 0:48:15.080 Like I was just being an asshole about it, you 0:48:15.120 --> 0:48:17.279 know what I'm saying because you said no features, but 0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:18.040 it's very few. 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:22.480 Q tip right, legacy if he's putting out I. 0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:25.280 Mean as far as like the mac Miller is definitely 0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:27.960 up there. Latter half of Max's career, he was producing 0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.080 everything himself. 0:48:29.120 --> 0:48:30.879 For sure. Russ also does it. Russ for sure. 0:48:33.040 --> 0:48:34.839 But then also Russ is one that I like when 0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:37.440 he does his Chomp projects and just gets bank and 0:48:37.760 --> 0:48:40.759 everybody else do that. But yeah, he's there's a lot 0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:44.319 more than I think people realize. Yeah, they just again 0:48:44.360 --> 0:48:46.319 don't flaunt it. And it's weird to put your own 0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.520 tag on your own song where you're also rapping. 0:48:49.880 --> 0:48:50.279 Like I just. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:55.120 Like, yeah, you're speaking fourth personnel. 0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:57.880 Another one that does a good job and people are 0:48:57.880 --> 0:48:59.560 not gonna give him the credit because you know, they 0:48:59.560 --> 0:49:01.719 probably don't look at him as that bit of a 0:49:01.840 --> 0:49:02.520 rapper hit. 0:49:02.480 --> 0:49:06.600 Boy hip what you're right now, that's the one that's 0:49:06.680 --> 0:49:08.200 the end to right. There a lot of the. 0:49:09.719 --> 0:49:13.799 Project together, but both of them rapp really good over 0:49:13.880 --> 0:49:15.680 their own beat. Yeah you know what I'm saying, Like 0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.200 they don't they don't give away a lot of kind 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:20.279 of like I know other rappers here like I would 0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.879 have I would crazy right right exactly. Y'all might think 0:49:23.920 --> 0:49:25.640 I'm nuts, but I don't think j D is a 0:49:25.680 --> 0:49:26.120 bad rapper. 0:49:26.560 --> 0:49:27.440 Jamai dupree. 0:49:31.040 --> 0:49:31.399 She rapped. 0:49:31.840 --> 0:49:32.080 Okay. 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:33.839 That was to say he just don't rap a lot 0:49:34.000 --> 0:49:36.279 like he does, but he talked about it like when 0:49:36.280 --> 0:49:39.239 he was doing the Magic City like promo. He was 0:49:39.280 --> 0:49:41.799 saying like for that first album, they made him rap 0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.120 because he was doing so much production and writing and 0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:45.960 popping and ship. He was he had so much of 0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.400 everything else. There was like the only thing left for 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:49.840 you to do is put out your own album, and 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:51.360 that's how that happened. But he said he had no 0:49:51.440 --> 0:49:53.759 intentions on being a rapper. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:56.839 I got white Cliff there produce a rapper. 0:49:56.920 --> 0:49:58.960 Yeah, he don't rap a lot though, I. 0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.000 Mean, but if for what he's out between Carnival and 0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:05.160 everything with the Fujis, I'm still putting them there big create. 0:50:05.239 --> 0:50:08.560 I think is there more on the underground side Manny Fresh, 0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.400 if he wrapped more? He was right though, like with 0:50:11.719 --> 0:50:13.880 Times and stuff, I think he was there. He's the 0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.480 hook master too. We also left out probably the most 0:50:16.480 --> 0:50:21.920 important one, Havoc have. It's probably top five best rapper 0:50:21.920 --> 0:50:23.080 producer of wals Off for sure. 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:25.879 But then what I'm saying, like, if we going into 0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:29.560 classic didn't, then I'm throwing large professor in there. Then 0:50:29.560 --> 0:50:31.960 I'm throwing you know, I mean E. P. M. D. 0:50:32.080 --> 0:50:33.640 Produced all of these ship you know what I'm saying, 0:50:33.680 --> 0:50:35.200 I'm throwing down there. You know what I'm saying, Like, 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:36.759 if we go classic, then I think it's a lot 0:50:36.840 --> 0:50:40.440 more and you rock him. Yea true, you know what 0:50:40.480 --> 0:50:40.879 I'm saying. 0:50:41.400 --> 0:50:43.120 So I guess for modern when we say Tyler would 0:50:43.120 --> 0:50:47.160 be number one, Yes, but is he producing? Yes, Yeah, 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:48.799 A lot of that ship is so you literally put 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:53.640 on the cover of Igor. This was written, created, he mixed, engineered, 0:50:53.840 --> 0:50:55.279 like he prints. 0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:58.680 Psycho with it. So he's number one, hands down, He 0:50:58.800 --> 0:51:01.520 might be. He might be right behind Kanye maybe. 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.799 I think as far as hands on, I'm not saying 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:07.239 what's better or what's worse. I want to make that 0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.880 very very clear. If you go through their desographies and 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:12.520 look at who did the most for their projects, Tyler's 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:14.759 probably been more hands on than Kanye West in the 0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:17.799 latter part of his career. Yeah, but I think I'm 0:51:17.840 --> 0:51:19.600 fine with Kanye bringing in other people. I think that's 0:51:19.640 --> 0:51:20.240 part of Newson. 0:51:20.400 --> 0:51:22.080 I mean, Tyler really sits that he does. 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.320 He does, He's very Tyler's such a musical person, you 0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:28.760 know what I'm saying, Like he studies music, he's out bordlines. 0:51:28.800 --> 0:51:30.640 I would call him a genius. He's a musical genius 0:51:30.680 --> 0:51:34.120 because he's he's a student of the game. He's a savant, 0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.640 you know what I'm saying, Like he understands, he understands collaboration, 0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:40.239 he understands instrumentation, you know what I'm saying, Like he 0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:42.960 knows what to do for his records to take them 0:51:42.960 --> 0:51:44.440 where they need to go, or who to bring in 0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:46.440 to take them where they need to go. And I 0:51:46.520 --> 0:51:49.560 think the versatility is really what speaks to me, because 0:51:49.719 --> 0:51:53.879 from flower Boy to Igor, to Cherry Baum to Call. 0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:55.520 You know what I'm saying, Like, all of these different 0:51:56.560 --> 0:52:00.239 records have a different sonic landscape to them too. He's 0:52:00.560 --> 0:52:02.960 and he's a different he's embody in a different character 0:52:03.280 --> 0:52:04.399 each time, you know what I'm saying. 0:52:04.680 --> 0:52:05.120 Every time. 0:52:05.200 --> 0:52:07.520 Yeah, he just gave you. He just gave you fired. Yeah, 0:52:07.680 --> 0:52:09.600 he just gave you fire Tyler's stuff. And then and 0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.279 then don't don't go to the show because then the 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:14.600 show is crazy. That's a whole other production. Yeah, he 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.640 takes this shit serious. He's see the Kanye Ferrell baby 0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:19.799 for sure. And I'm not just saying this because baby 0:52:19.840 --> 0:52:22.200 D is here. I do think J Cole gets too 0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:25.319 much flak. His beats are not as bad as people 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:27.640 make them out to be. No, we just prefer that 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:30.919 level of rapping with that level of producer. Yeah, because 0:52:30.960 --> 0:52:32.440 his level of wrapping is lovel production are. 0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:32.839 Not the same. 0:52:33.280 --> 0:52:35.120 He's up here. We just wondered what it could be. 0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.000 But Cole's beats are not as bad as people say 0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:38.239 they are. 0:52:38.440 --> 0:52:40.560 No, But it's just like you said, for his skill set, 0:52:40.600 --> 0:52:43.239 it's like, all right, could we not? Can we just 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:47.160 go get like Alchemists a conductor or Pharrell or like, can. 0:52:47.120 --> 0:52:48.080 We go you know what I mean? Like, can we 0:52:48.160 --> 0:52:50.160 just take the joints? Can we take it? Can we 0:52:50.200 --> 0:52:53.399 take this to another level? That's all while we stay 0:52:53.600 --> 0:52:55.000 in wrap nerd world. 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:58.920 I did see a list on Twitter that said the 0:52:58.960 --> 0:53:03.480 top ten mcs without a classic solo album started at 0:53:03.520 --> 0:53:06.520 one Grand Poob but two method Man, Jadakiss, Fab Black Thought, 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:10.920 Inspected Deck, Ludacris, Buster Rhymes, Putt in parentheses, Debatable, Andre 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:12.560 three thousand cannabis. 0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.360 Wait, the top ten mc mcs with out of classic 0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:19.239 y'all just you just y'all just said. 0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:20.839 I was right next to you in the baller shop. 0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:22.839 I think we're the reason for this list. By the way, 0:53:22.920 --> 0:53:27.160 niggas just checking Jadak and j Cole go to the 0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:28.759 same I thought. 0:53:29.760 --> 0:53:33.719 I sat there, Max said, and other guys in the 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:37.960 shop echoed the sentiments that Jadakiss has three classic albums. 0:53:38.080 --> 0:53:39.560 M did they say three or two? 0:53:40.040 --> 0:53:41.719 They said three? What was the I think I saw 0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:43.880 the clip and they said three. Somebody said three, and 0:53:43.960 --> 0:53:46.879 I was like, three is a stretch. Okay, kiss the game? 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:51.840 Goodbye? What the last kiss of death? And to me 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:52.839 would kiss of death? 0:53:53.239 --> 0:53:53.640 That's the game? 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:54.000 Goodbye? 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:55.439 First and second album? 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:57.359 Yeah, I think the first two. I think the first two. 0:53:57.520 --> 0:53:59.440 You know what I think you think Jada Kis's first 0:53:59.440 --> 0:54:01.560 two albums are. I think I think the first one 0:54:01.560 --> 0:54:05.680 more than anything. But I think that classic. Yes, small fuck, 0:54:06.640 --> 0:54:08.759 here's the issue, here's the issue. Let me let me 0:54:08.800 --> 0:54:09.960 just let me, let me say this whole thing and 0:54:10.000 --> 0:54:13.560 then get y'all met. I think that the anticipation that 0:54:13.760 --> 0:54:17.480 we what met with initially it was so high, was 0:54:17.520 --> 0:54:19.600 a hard baugh to reach because we love him as 0:54:19.640 --> 0:54:21.520 an MC and we love what he did with the Locks, 0:54:21.800 --> 0:54:23.680 so we was expecting so much when we heard that 0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:25.879 when we heard the album. But if you go back 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:28.680 and listen to the album, the album is gonna be 0:54:28.960 --> 0:54:30.359 they deep is like it's the game. 0:54:30.400 --> 0:54:33.080 Go bye. It's tough. That's my point, though. 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.720 I think there's a difference between classic and difference between 0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:37.520 good albums. 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:40.280 It's hard to have a classic album. 0:54:40.800 --> 0:54:42.759 I would put that album on and if I got 0:54:42.800 --> 0:54:44.680 a fifty minute drive, I put the album on and 0:54:44.760 --> 0:54:46.040 let it play and ride out to it. 0:54:46.120 --> 0:54:46.520 I'm with you. 0:54:47.640 --> 0:54:49.960 Is it a classic album though? Or is it just 0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:54.279 a good album? That's the difference, and it's so. I 0:54:54.360 --> 0:54:57.399 think classic is the test of time too, like replay value, 0:54:57.480 --> 0:54:59.560 like we're still going back to it because it's certain 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.839 albums that came out around that time that you, I'm 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:04.239 not listening to this ship you not. You might play 0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.239 the single, you're not gonna sit and let the body 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:08.480 of work play. And I think that a certain times, 0:55:08.560 --> 0:55:10.480 certain albums, certain albums out the date, we call it 0:55:10.560 --> 0:55:12.960 instant classic out the gate. You know this shit feel 0:55:12.960 --> 0:55:14.840 like it's gonna be timeless. I listened to this forever, 0:55:15.120 --> 0:55:16.600 and then it's certain shit you go back to and 0:55:16.680 --> 0:55:19.200 you just like, damn, this shit really rocking, like I 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:21.680 think maybe we was too. I think Volume two is 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:23.279 another one of those, you know what I'm saying, Or 0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:24.960 Volume one. I think Volume one is another one of 0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.640 those where people just were so harsh on it, like 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:30.840 the way they sunshine it. Sunshine is a tough record. 0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:33.160 We hated the video. This was so different from what 0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.000 Jay was trying to do, but he had done already. 0:55:36.080 --> 0:55:38.200 But it's a fucking great I don't know, He's still 0:55:38.200 --> 0:55:39.840 get you for sure, But that's what I'm saying. I 0:55:40.840 --> 0:55:42.719 just think that we get so caught up and just 0:55:42.800 --> 0:55:46.080 throwing out the word classic though, Well, this is to 0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:46.400 ask you. 0:55:46.440 --> 0:55:49.280 Then, what is the worst classic album in your opinion? 0:55:49.400 --> 0:55:52.279 So I have a gauge to see if if Kiss 0:55:52.320 --> 0:55:54.879 of Death is below or above, that is that it's 0:55:54.920 --> 0:55:57.960 an oxy moron, like it's an unfair classic, because of 0:55:58.040 --> 0:56:00.440 course we have the standards that we already know that 0:56:00.600 --> 0:56:03.680 these we know Illmatic is a classic that goes without saying. 0:56:03.719 --> 0:56:05.719 It was gonna sit there and argue that what is 0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:09.399 what would be that but lower than Illmatic? Like what's 0:56:09.440 --> 0:56:10.840 the worst classic album? You know what? 0:56:11.120 --> 0:56:15.480 And again, we just had this conversation with the fellas 0:56:15.480 --> 0:56:17.839 at the shop, and you know, and I understood the room. 0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.399 It was older guys in there from a different era 0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.120 of hip hop, so I understood why they were saying 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:26.399 what they were saying but to say Jadakiss has two 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:28.880 or three have many albums they said that were classics. 0:56:29.120 --> 0:56:32.279 And then to say Drake has no classic albums, Oh yeah, no, 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:32.799 that's wild. 0:56:32.920 --> 0:56:34.240 But dude, you got to know your audience. 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:36.000 But right, but you understand what I'm saying. It's just 0:56:36.080 --> 0:56:39.800 like I can understand if that's not your preferred rapper, 0:56:39.920 --> 0:56:44.400 you're preferred artist. There's no denying that Drake is one 0:56:44.400 --> 0:56:47.360 of the greatest recording artists of his generation, of his 0:56:47.480 --> 0:56:52.359 era for sure, who has classic albums? So when somebody says, Okay, 0:56:52.440 --> 0:56:56.320 this rapper has three, two or three classic albums and 0:56:56.480 --> 0:56:59.719 this guy who has dominated music for fifteen years has none. 0:57:01.239 --> 0:57:02.719 Yeah, and it's all subjective. 0:57:02.760 --> 0:57:05.279 Of course, that's all subjective in your audits who you're 0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:08.360 talking to. I get that, But some things are just like, 0:57:08.880 --> 0:57:10.719 what are we talking about, but. 0:57:10.960 --> 0:57:13.520 A barbershop in Brooklyn with forty year olds, Yes, you're 0:57:13.560 --> 0:57:16.760 gonna get that. If you went to the Scarborough food court, 0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:20.720 mall get everyone saying Drake has a classic. 0:57:20.440 --> 0:57:21.960 You make But yeah, you're going to Toronto to get that. 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:22.520 I understand that. 0:57:22.760 --> 0:57:24.480 Say, we were in New York talking about kiss, but 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:25.440 I understand that. 0:57:25.480 --> 0:57:28.360 I'm saying in just music period, it's a lot of 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:31.640 artists that I recognized as being crazy talented that got 0:57:31.880 --> 0:57:32.640 classic music. 0:57:33.280 --> 0:57:35.360 They're not. I wouldn't go see them. I wouldn't listen 0:57:35.400 --> 0:57:35.600 to it. 0:57:36.200 --> 0:57:38.760 But I'm there's no doubt about it that this fucking 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.720 artist is. I don't listen to Beyonce. I probably don't 0:57:41.720 --> 0:57:44.760 have no Beyonce. Unfortunately, I'm. 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:48.160 I'll listen to it. 0:57:49.240 --> 0:57:52.360 I don't listen to Beyonce like you will never hear 0:57:52.480 --> 0:57:54.560 me just play put on a Beyonce album, put on 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.080 the Beyonce song like it just wouldn't happen that. I'm 0:57:57.160 --> 0:58:01.320 not her audience. I'm not who she's making. I recognize 0:58:01.680 --> 0:58:04.280 I recognize her incredible carter on the way here. 0:58:05.400 --> 0:58:06.080 No, I'm listening to. 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:11.680 I recognize her incredible talent. But I'm not listening like 0:58:11.760 --> 0:58:14.560 I'm not going back and playing Beyonce like. 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:15.040 What you listen to? 0:58:15.120 --> 0:58:15.160 You? 0:58:15.360 --> 0:58:17.600 I ain't got that kepboard called in might right? You 0:58:17.960 --> 0:58:19.920 like what like that's what you? But you know what 0:58:20.000 --> 0:58:20.480 it is? You know what? 0:58:20.720 --> 0:58:24.560 The classic is vast majority, right, even if there's pockets 0:58:24.600 --> 0:58:26.600 of people that don't like it, might be people that 0:58:26.680 --> 0:58:29.200 don't fuck with fifty. But the vast majority of the 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:33.280 population says, Get rich Client is Trying is a classic album, right, 0:58:33.560 --> 0:58:36.560 so I think it also leans to like that's a classic. 0:58:36.920 --> 0:58:38.640 Get rich of Dot Trina is not a classic. If 0:58:38.680 --> 0:58:41.560 you go back and listen, what's a classic. It's a 0:58:41.640 --> 0:58:42.200 great album. 0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:43.880 Worry about the fucking swing. 0:58:46.200 --> 0:58:48.120 Class because if you go back and listen to get 0:58:48.200 --> 0:58:49.960 Richard dot Trent, it's a great album. 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:52.840 And the impact, the impact is why I think people 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:56.840 call it a classic when they drop everything around fifty he's. 0:58:56.720 --> 0:59:00.880 You know, bulletproof vest Yeah, fifty mania. I understand that. 0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:02.680 I'm saying when you go back and listen to it, 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:06.640 the album to me, I wouldn't say that's a classic album. 0:59:07.000 --> 0:59:07.960 You said, man, I was. 0:59:08.080 --> 0:59:12.320 I was speaking from all speak for yourself. I think 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:14.120 that get Richard I Trying is a classic album. But 0:59:14.240 --> 0:59:16.400 that's why coming with music or to impact. 0:59:16.680 --> 0:59:18.160 Let's let's go through the music real quick. I'm not 0:59:18.160 --> 0:59:20.280 going to skip any I'm not going to do the highlights. 0:59:20.320 --> 0:59:21.000 I'm just gonna read. 0:59:21.960 --> 0:59:23.800 Starts with what up? Gangst what the intro with two 0:59:23.880 --> 0:59:27.160 quarters falling? Right? What you like? 0:59:27.280 --> 0:59:31.360 Who you get into? That's six second ship and was 0:59:31.400 --> 0:59:34.920 like worry heard that was Is that two quarters? Was 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:37.680 that a fifty fifty? It's it's what Mano put on 0:59:37.800 --> 0:59:39.560 his single artwork. It's fifty five cents. 0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.280 This guy's crazy. What up? Gangster? 0:59:42.440 --> 0:59:45.520 Patiently waiting with vingem many men in the club? I 0:59:45.600 --> 0:59:48.880 all the time heat if I can't Bloodhound back down. 0:59:49.240 --> 0:59:52.360 P I M P Like my style is crazy crazy 0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:58.240 crazy a classic? Yes, I hate that song. It's not 0:59:58.360 --> 1:00:00.360 my favorite song on the album. It's definitely not. It's 1:00:00.400 --> 1:00:00.760 definitely not. 1:00:00.880 --> 1:00:03.760 It's in comparison to the rest of the track listing. 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:07.120 It's not my favorite. Is it's a past p IMT. 1:00:07.640 --> 1:00:10.480 I'm saying, we're playing I'm playing if I if I'm 1:00:10.560 --> 1:00:12.040 washing the dishes in the album is playing. 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:14.000 I'm not running to dry my hand to skip that 1:00:14.200 --> 1:00:14.840 that's gonna play. 1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:16.520 You can't say p I P P I M P 1:00:16.680 --> 1:00:19.120 isn't a classic because people's parents know that. So that 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:20.120 was a huge song. 1:00:20.440 --> 1:00:24.160 It was a Thomi's record. If it's in the body 1:00:24.480 --> 1:00:28.680 body of work like yeah, nah like my style of 1:00:28.720 --> 1:00:30.720 twenty one questions, don't push me got to make it 1:00:30.760 --> 1:00:32.960 to having bonus tracks. Whangster You're not like Me lives 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:33.560 on the line. 1:00:35.000 --> 1:00:35.400 Good class. 1:00:35.400 --> 1:00:37.040 I just telling me what a classic album is? You 1:00:37.200 --> 1:00:38.360 just I'm confused. 1:00:38.520 --> 1:00:40.000 I don't think that. I think it's a really I 1:00:40.040 --> 1:00:43.480 think it's a dope album. I got to hear classic. 1:00:43.560 --> 1:00:44.480 What's your classic Drake? 1:00:44.520 --> 1:00:47.080 Then I was gonna say, because I was riding with 1:00:47.240 --> 1:00:49.120 you with the Drake thing, But if you saying that 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:51.240 Drake has classic I was, but get Richard die Trant 1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:51.840 is it a classic? 1:00:51.920 --> 1:00:52.040 Then? 1:00:52.120 --> 1:00:52.760 Now I just can't. 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.360 I think I think get rich of d Trine is 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:56.080 an incredible I don't know if it's a classic. I 1:00:56.120 --> 1:01:00.959 wouldn't show classic, like my classic albums are like thriller. Okay, 1:01:01.040 --> 1:01:07.320 what's about hip hop? But okay, I'm classic album. I 1:01:08.040 --> 1:01:11.680 didn't say classic rap, classic RBA. You were talking about 1:01:11.760 --> 1:01:14.000 classic albums about Kiss. I thought we talk about hip hop? 1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:14.640 No, but but not. 1:01:14.920 --> 1:01:17.760 But away from that even I was just saying classic albums, 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:20.120 that's what. But that's part of the conversation of what 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:23.120 I'm saying, Like, how can you say Jadakiss has two 1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:26.400 or three classic albums but Drake doesn't, because Drake isn't 1:01:26.880 --> 1:01:27.959 barring you down like Kiss. 1:01:28.000 --> 1:01:30.400 He doesn't have a classic album. But a thriller is 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:34.040 the mark then where everyone's fuck nobody got this because because, 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:36.680 to be honest, the closest thing I saw in the 1:01:36.800 --> 1:01:40.560 early two thousands that hit not like thriller obviously, but 1:01:40.760 --> 1:01:42.960 like a thriller, that wave when Get Richard I Try 1:01:43.000 --> 1:01:46.440 and came out. It took over the world. That's why, 1:01:46.520 --> 1:01:48.480 even if you weren't even a hip hop fan, the 1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:52.400 impact was incredible. But the music was dead too, because 1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.280 I get the music was That's what I'm saying. I 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:56.000 think it's a really I think the album is a 1:01:56.120 --> 1:02:00.240 dope album. I don't know if that's a classic album though. Okay, 1:02:00.240 --> 1:02:01.360 so let's a dope album. 1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:03.880 Let's go back to your point that you were making 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:07.800 about classics being like they have to affect everybody, right, 1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:09.480 Like you said, you don't listen to Beyonce, but you're 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:11.160 very much aware of for talent. What would you say 1:02:11.200 --> 1:02:13.320 Beyonce's classic album? Is I want to hear this because 1:02:13.360 --> 1:02:14.760 you're not a Beyonce fan. 1:02:15.200 --> 1:02:15.320 Uh? 1:02:17.960 --> 1:02:21.440 What was the one? Was it Lemonade? 1:02:22.080 --> 1:02:23.200 Okay, Lemonade? To me? 1:02:23.320 --> 1:02:23.760 Is it classic? 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:25.280 As a Beyonce fan? 1:02:25.480 --> 1:02:28.520 I agree with you, So that would say? 1:02:28.720 --> 1:02:29.280 What was the other? 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:31.200 Is it Dangerously Love? Was that the name of one 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:31.840 of the albums. 1:02:32.760 --> 1:02:33.120 Is the first. 1:02:33.120 --> 1:02:36.120 I think that's a classic album. I think Dangerous is 1:02:36.160 --> 1:02:36.840 a classic album. 1:02:37.320 --> 1:02:39.560 Okay, I think Lemonade Danje Love and if I see 1:02:39.600 --> 1:02:42.400 the artwork, I could I could better point it out. 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:44.920 She has a few so you're not so you're you're 1:02:44.960 --> 1:02:46.880 not a fan obviously of the music on Lemonade, but 1:02:46.920 --> 1:02:48.640 you're aware of the fact that it's a classic album, 1:02:48.720 --> 1:02:49.600 so you're able. 1:02:49.400 --> 1:02:51.360 To when I say I don't listen to Beyonce, meaning 1:02:51.480 --> 1:02:54.440 like in my time in the crib or in the car, 1:02:54.720 --> 1:02:55.560 I'm not turning on. 1:02:55.640 --> 1:02:56.840 Beyonce to listen to it like that. 1:02:57.320 --> 1:02:59.200 If Beyonce put it out on tonight, just like everybody 1:02:59.240 --> 1:03:00.760 else in the world, I'm running to listen to. 1:03:00.880 --> 1:03:02.520 No that makes sense, you know what I'm saying. I'm 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:03.800 saying I recognize her greatness. 1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:06.840 She's one of the greatest artists ever when you come 1:03:06.920 --> 1:03:10.800 to live performance music vocally, she checks all of the boxes. 1:03:11.080 --> 1:03:15.479 She's a legendary artist like I'm not, but I don't. 1:03:15.600 --> 1:03:18.720 That's not the music that I listen to on a 1:03:18.800 --> 1:03:21.520 daily basis. I don't listen to Beyonest on a daily basis, 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.320 but I know she's one of the greatest artists ever. 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:25.960 I'm not so that's what I'm saying. 1:03:26.000 --> 1:03:28.080 In that environment of being in the shop with older 1:03:28.120 --> 1:03:30.880 guys from New York City from a different time, I 1:03:31.040 --> 1:03:34.360 get it. But there's some things that are just unanimous 1:03:34.400 --> 1:03:38.120 though in conversation of music. I think get Richard trying 1:03:38.240 --> 1:03:39.000 so they can't. 1:03:38.880 --> 1:03:39.760 Take away from get Richard. 1:03:39.800 --> 1:03:40.120 Iye trying. 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:41.800 You know what I'm saying again me because I don't 1:03:41.800 --> 1:03:44.520 think it's unanimous that Drink is a classic. I personally 1:03:44.560 --> 1:03:46.000 think he is more than one. But that's not a 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:49.760 unanimous thing the way get rich is to the world. 1:03:51.000 --> 1:03:53.120 So are we talking about I would have said ten 1:03:53.160 --> 1:03:54.640 out of ten people would have said get rich as 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:56.040 a classic. Now I'm gonna say not out of ten, 1:03:56.080 --> 1:03:57.360 because you're the first person I ever met. 1:04:00.040 --> 1:04:02.560 I think with You're going to get an incredible album. 1:04:02.880 --> 1:04:05.480 So is it only a classic if the masks, if 1:04:05.560 --> 1:04:07.800 the masses acknowledged that it's a classic, right, Because the 1:04:07.880 --> 1:04:09.800 album that I think is it is a classic Drake 1:04:09.840 --> 1:04:12.360 album would be different from what the masses who would 1:04:12.400 --> 1:04:14.200 say he has When the masses would pick take Care, 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:15.760 I would not pick take Care. I don't think his 1:04:15.920 --> 1:04:18.520 aged as well as views has right. 1:04:19.040 --> 1:04:22.560 Nothing was the same. It's a classic in Drake's catalog. Yes, 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:23.640 do you think nothing was the same? 1:04:24.120 --> 1:04:24.720 It's a classic. 1:04:25.120 --> 1:04:27.920 Yeah, What's what's better? P I m P or Worse Behavior? 1:04:29.240 --> 1:04:32.240 Worse Behavior? I hate p I M P. 1:04:33.400 --> 1:04:35.480 I don't know what you heard of the p I 1:04:35.600 --> 1:04:37.400 m P. Might be the same song. I'm not gonna 1:04:37.440 --> 1:04:44.439 lie word like Gears, I'm going with worse that's my ship. 1:04:48.960 --> 1:04:50.840 Real five to my City or p I m P. 1:04:51.680 --> 1:04:54.200 I played three or five of my City, but to 1:04:54.760 --> 1:04:56.800 P I P is just not a good I would 1:04:56.800 --> 1:05:00.680 pick p I m P. Yeah, Real five, I would 1:05:00.680 --> 1:05:04.840 think I would. I skipped three oh five every fun time. 1:05:06.920 --> 1:05:10.840 I just I just I missed that, Tom But what 1:05:11.000 --> 1:05:13.080 a time, Bro, what a time? 1:05:14.280 --> 1:05:14.480 Yeah. 1:05:14.480 --> 1:05:18.880 I'm just about what's your quintessential rap classics? Then, just 1:05:18.960 --> 1:05:21.240 so we can get engaged since give Rich is not there, 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:25.280 because at that point, yeah, I don't think you would 1:05:25.680 --> 1:05:28.080 ever argue Kiss as a classic album if you don't think. 1:05:28.160 --> 1:05:30.400 Rich is right. Because when I went to that, that 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:31.920 was like I felt like that was a no brainer. 1:05:31.960 --> 1:05:32.480 You know what I'm saying. 1:05:32.520 --> 1:05:33.120 I would Kiss. 1:05:33.400 --> 1:05:36.400 That was general consensus that everybody you know felt like 1:05:36.480 --> 1:05:38.320 that was a classic, so just to hit but a 1:05:38.360 --> 1:05:38.560 lot of. 1:05:38.640 --> 1:05:39.840 But a lot of it. But there's like that. 1:05:39.960 --> 1:05:42.280 But in our culture, and this is something we do 1:05:42.400 --> 1:05:45.200 a lot, we'll just say something is a classic because 1:05:45.200 --> 1:05:47.480 everybody else is a classic. Like a lot of people 1:05:47.560 --> 1:05:49.480 think Scarface is a classic. That movie is not a 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:52.160 classic movie. That movie is actually terrible. I don't think 1:05:52.200 --> 1:05:53.960 you're wrong, But with get Rich, I don't think that's 1:05:53.960 --> 1:05:57.000 the case. That's what I'm saying, not saying that, I'm 1:05:57.040 --> 1:05:58.920 just saying in our culture, well, we do a lot 1:05:59.480 --> 1:05:59.960 what we see. 1:06:00.760 --> 1:06:02.880 Yo, No, that's a class a terrible, terrible movie. 1:06:03.000 --> 1:06:03.200 Movie. 1:06:03.280 --> 1:06:06.120 Why storyline? The way it shot? Like, what are you 1:06:06.240 --> 1:06:09.560 basing it on the storyline? The story? 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:12.880 I mean, the acting was okay, but just the storyline terrible. 1:06:13.600 --> 1:06:15.080 I said it was okay, but it's I mean, you 1:06:15.160 --> 1:06:18.520 got you got two of the biggest actors of their 1:06:18.560 --> 1:06:21.120 time with al Pacino and. 1:06:22.840 --> 1:06:24.000 What's her name? Ship? 1:06:24.240 --> 1:06:24.360 Uh? 1:06:25.840 --> 1:06:27.840 I forgot her name, Michelle Pfeiffer. 1:06:28.880 --> 1:06:32.040 But it's just that when you go back and look 1:06:32.080 --> 1:06:35.240 at it, you're like, this ship is This ain't no 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:39.320 classic movie. But because so many people in our culture 1:06:39.400 --> 1:06:42.000 deemed it the classic, we see the poster. People got 1:06:42.080 --> 1:06:43.880 the poster in their house and the barber shops, and 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:48.400 we see the imagery of the movie so much we're like, nah, yeah, 1:06:48.480 --> 1:06:50.280 that's a no. No, you can go back and poke 1:06:50.320 --> 1:06:51.560 holes in it, you know what I'm saying. I still 1:06:51.600 --> 1:06:53.720 think for what it was, for what it's worth and 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:56.720 what it did and the impacting all the things, like, 1:06:56.840 --> 1:06:59.160 it's definitely classic elements to it, but it's the greatest 1:06:59.200 --> 1:07:00.280 movie I haven't seen in my life. 1:07:00.440 --> 1:07:01.960 No, like people make it out to be. You could 1:07:01.960 --> 1:07:02.960 go back and poke holes in it. 1:07:04.000 --> 1:07:07.800 But again, like so there's also like impact and stay 1:07:07.840 --> 1:07:10.360 in power and replay value and all those things go 1:07:10.480 --> 1:07:11.800 into it, you know what I'm saying. But movies a 1:07:11.840 --> 1:07:14.960 little bit different than music in that art is it different, 1:07:14.960 --> 1:07:17.120 But I think it's just different levels. Music is like 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:21.160 writing with the vocals sound like and the production around it, 1:07:21.200 --> 1:07:21.320 you know. 1:07:21.320 --> 1:07:23.400 What I'm saying. But like, you got the acting, you 1:07:23.520 --> 1:07:24.400 got the cast. 1:07:24.200 --> 1:07:26.000 In you can have somebody who did a great job 1:07:26.240 --> 1:07:28.280 in the scene that had a terrible scene partner. So 1:07:28.400 --> 1:07:31.400 now do you say al Pacino did great, but we don' 1:07:31.480 --> 1:07:33.680 fuck with Manolo in this scene. Whereas when it's an 1:07:33.680 --> 1:07:37.440 album for the most part. You You you were responsible 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:39.280 for carrying the way to the project as the artist. 1:07:39.640 --> 1:07:41.280 I get the late artists, but they. 1:07:41.280 --> 1:07:43.560 Put that on the lead actors sometimes before they'll put 1:07:43.600 --> 1:07:45.560 on the director just because the actors are more famous 1:07:45.600 --> 1:07:47.000 when they say that movie. But if you're not in 1:07:47.080 --> 1:07:48.720 a scene, and it's like, at the same time, that 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:50.680 actor just showed up to do his scenes. He wasn't 1:07:50.720 --> 1:07:52.680 involved in the ending process. But if you did not direct. 1:07:52.800 --> 1:07:54.680 But if you're lighting, you're not gonna take They're not 1:07:54.720 --> 1:07:56.280 gonna blame you for a bad scene if you're not 1:07:56.360 --> 1:07:57.479 in it, even if you're the lead actor. 1:07:57.600 --> 1:08:00.480 All right, So nas gets a lot of even though 1:08:00.480 --> 1:08:02.520 I disagree with it. It's it's a narrative that's been 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:04.600 going on. He picks bad beats and they put that on. 1:08:04.720 --> 1:08:09.600 NOAs he didn't produce it is picked classic. If you 1:08:09.640 --> 1:08:11.360 picked the direction, you picked that script. 1:08:11.520 --> 1:08:12.520 I'm asking the. 1:08:12.520 --> 1:08:14.400 Script because I'm getting I'm just let me just get 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:17.200 my position because when I answer, i'm asking, I'm asking. 1:08:18.479 --> 1:08:21.280 I want to want to leave you Illmatic class. 1:08:21.560 --> 1:08:22.120 It's a classic. 1:08:22.360 --> 1:08:26.400 Okay, So so Illmatic and Kiss of Death are on 1:08:26.520 --> 1:08:27.120 the same level. 1:08:27.439 --> 1:08:32.200 No, No, I think there's a spectrum, so classics that 1:08:32.520 --> 1:08:33.479 happens with the worst class. 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:34.759 I thought classic was class. 1:08:34.840 --> 1:08:37.400 Yeah, that doesn't mean they're on the same level because 1:08:37.439 --> 1:08:38.680 something they're not. 1:08:38.920 --> 1:08:41.880 So it's not a classic, it's a good albums saying 1:08:41.880 --> 1:08:46.240 it's not letting Elmatic on the same level they're now 1:08:46.439 --> 1:08:50.280 from from a rapper perspective and then from a pop star. Yes, 1:08:50.520 --> 1:08:52.439 I think it's the same. I think that a kid 1:08:52.520 --> 1:08:55.000 that was however old, NOAs you got the music and 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:56.840 then you got the impact of it, and then you 1:08:56.960 --> 1:08:59.920 got the reach of the music. Ellmatic is a class 1:09:00.080 --> 1:09:02.679 I think. I think in the community you can't play 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:04.719 it like anything off of Thriller. 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:05.080 I think. 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:07.680 I think Ellmatic is a classic to the culture, to 1:09:08.600 --> 1:09:12.439 every MC after that. Dad was old enough to know 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:14.640 when that album drop and feel that. I think that 1:09:15.200 --> 1:09:18.840 nas inspired every MC after that to even try. That 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.360 was like the goal that became the soundtrack of your life. 1:09:21.439 --> 1:09:23.679 You moved through wherever you was at with that music 1:09:23.760 --> 1:09:26.799 in your head. Right, Okay, to me, that's a classic. 1:09:27.240 --> 1:09:31.599 I don't think people moved around with a Kiss album 1:09:31.680 --> 1:09:33.439 like the same way they moved around with Illmatic. I 1:09:33.479 --> 1:09:36.559 don't think so, not saying Kiss and Kiss is an 1:09:36.640 --> 1:09:40.519 incredible MC, one of the greatest rappers ever. But I'm 1:09:40.520 --> 1:09:42.840 talking about the music. I don't think the music lived 1:09:42.880 --> 1:09:45.439 with us from his albums, the way the music lived 1:09:45.439 --> 1:09:47.439 with us from Illmatic, the way the music lived us 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:48.240 from Reasonable Out. 1:09:48.920 --> 1:09:49.799 I think the different. 1:09:50.200 --> 1:09:52.720 I think the unfair thing to when you compare things 1:09:52.760 --> 1:09:56.679 that Elmatic. My only caveat in that is that Illmatic 1:09:56.800 --> 1:10:00.080 changed hip hop music and albums because of the the 1:10:00.120 --> 1:10:02.080 way that they went about the production of it. Yeah, 1:10:02.120 --> 1:10:05.000 we had never seen an artist go hand pick and 1:10:05.080 --> 1:10:07.799 pluck producers from other camp I'm gonna take the hottest 1:10:07.840 --> 1:10:10.400 guy out of Gangstar, I'm gonna take the produce out 1:10:10.400 --> 1:10:11.840 of the Gangstar. I'm gonna take the produce oiue of 1:10:11.880 --> 1:10:13.960 Pete Rock and Ceo Smooth. I'm gonna take the producer 1:10:14.000 --> 1:10:16.479 from Maine Sauce. We had never done every up until that, 1:10:16.880 --> 1:10:21.080 Right Trivers self contained, Maine Sauce, self contained, Bomb Squad 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:21.839 self contained. 1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:23.000 We had never seen that. 1:10:23.120 --> 1:10:25.639 So it changed the way people went about making their album, 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:29.120 So that in itself makes it impactful in game changing, 1:10:29.160 --> 1:10:31.040 you know what I'm saying. So it's unfit to compare 1:10:31.080 --> 1:10:33.960 certain albums to Ellmatic. Because of what Elmatic did to 1:10:34.160 --> 1:10:36.000 change it turned the tide in hip hop. 1:10:36.120 --> 1:10:39.400 Yea, even bad Boy being the sellout version of that 1:10:39.600 --> 1:10:42.479 still mainly just used hit Man. That was the first 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:44.560 time you got a list producer. 1:10:44.760 --> 1:10:47.360 Right, he waited a production team. 1:10:47.560 --> 1:10:49.439 You know what I'm saying of different all these different 1:10:49.479 --> 1:10:50.639 guys production team. 1:10:50.680 --> 1:10:52.280 But where I also think it is unfair is the 1:10:52.400 --> 1:10:56.559 age gap as well, because, yeah, people, my age, Kiss 1:10:56.600 --> 1:10:58.679 of Death came out when I was fourteen. My age 1:10:59.120 --> 1:11:01.400 moved around with Kids to Death probably the same way 1:11:01.479 --> 1:11:03.160 y'all moved around with Ellmatic. 1:11:03.560 --> 1:11:05.360 I'm not saying that Kiss of Death is on the 1:11:05.360 --> 1:11:07.160 same level of Illmatic, but. 1:11:07.720 --> 1:11:10.080 You also have to put that into consideration that hip 1:11:10.120 --> 1:11:13.479 hop is unlike any other genre. We're ten years is 1:11:13.479 --> 1:11:17.280 one hundred years, right, Like that's a huge gap between 1:11:17.360 --> 1:11:20.800 ninety four and two thousand and four of listeners. Kiss 1:11:20.920 --> 1:11:22.840 of Death meant a lot to us, and yeah, we 1:11:22.920 --> 1:11:25.280 moved around like this was the soundtracks of fucking life. 1:11:25.439 --> 1:11:27.400 And is at that point is it fair to say 1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:32.200 that there's different pockets of everybody in different pockets is 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:33.920 going to say that a different album is a classic. 1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:35.920 If you go down to certain parts of the South, 1:11:35.960 --> 1:11:37.880 they would never say that Ellmatic is a classic, but 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:40.280 somebody from their region that they grew up hearing. 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:42.680 So we're never going to long story short, we're never 1:11:42.800 --> 1:11:43.200 all going to. 1:11:43.240 --> 1:11:46.240 Agree what a classic is, depending on age, depending on demographic, 1:11:46.320 --> 1:11:49.160 depending on where you grew up, Like everybody is going 1:11:49.200 --> 1:11:50.360 to have different classics. 1:11:50.720 --> 1:11:52.400 But you see, that's where I think, that's where I 1:11:52.439 --> 1:11:55.240 think the conversation is different. I think no matter where 1:11:55.320 --> 1:11:58.320 you're from, a classic is a classic, no matter where 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:01.400 you're from, like under not a classic is undenied. I 1:12:01.439 --> 1:12:03.920 don't care if you're from the northwest, coast, east coast South. 1:12:04.880 --> 1:12:08.160 When we see Kevin Gates rapping reasonable doubt bas and 1:12:08.280 --> 1:12:10.280 he's from the South, that's letting you know, like he 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:12.960 like Nigga, we was listening to that, So that narrative 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:14.200 of in the South, we wasn't listening. 1:12:14.560 --> 1:12:17.040 Cut that shit out because niggas was listening to that. 1:12:17.320 --> 1:12:19.280 But people will tell you E forty and the Click 1:12:19.320 --> 1:12:22.519 got classic albums, and you will fight against that, and 1:12:22.600 --> 1:12:23.360 you fight against that. 1:12:23.640 --> 1:12:25.840 I would if someone in New York said Foreigner Degrees 1:12:25.920 --> 1:12:28.160 Juvenile is not a classic album, the South would lose 1:12:28.200 --> 1:12:29.160 their motherfucking minds. 1:12:29.960 --> 1:12:31.920 I played crazy, you know what I'm saying. 1:12:32.160 --> 1:12:34.320 Like, but I mean, like Tomorrow's point, yes, Like I 1:12:34.360 --> 1:12:37.240 don't think no matter where you go, I think people 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:40.439 would say at Aliens is a classic album, Quemini is 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:41.679 a classic album. 1:12:41.520 --> 1:12:42.320 No matter where you're at. 1:12:42.720 --> 1:12:45.080 I think most people would say the Chronic Doggy Style, 1:12:45.120 --> 1:12:48.280 those are classic projects. But I think that's a nineties thing. 1:12:48.360 --> 1:12:50.040 I think once we hit the two thousands, it just 1:12:50.120 --> 1:12:51.840 got so spread out. I'm not even saying when it 1:12:51.880 --> 1:12:54.320 got to the internet yet. Hip hop just got so big, 1:12:54.520 --> 1:12:56.920 but your pockets happened and I got classics in the 1:12:56.960 --> 1:13:00.320 two thousands. Yeah, yeah, No, I mean yeah, he's not 1:13:00.360 --> 1:13:03.439 the only one has a classic in the two thousand 1:13:05.160 --> 1:13:08.160 and Good Kid Mad City. During the interludes, they're talking 1:13:08.200 --> 1:13:10.479 about TM one on one, like and that's in Compton 1:13:11.040 --> 1:13:12.439 up here. We thought TM one on one was a 1:13:12.439 --> 1:13:14.600 classic out the gate for I'm just saying, as the 1:13:14.720 --> 1:13:17.679 years went, the term class hip hop. 1:13:17.600 --> 1:13:19.240 Just got to classic. 1:13:20.520 --> 1:13:20.560 No. 1:13:20.640 --> 1:13:23.639 I think it's a good album, Okay, I think it's 1:13:23.640 --> 1:13:26.240 the second best album the Recession. I don't know if 1:13:26.280 --> 1:13:27.479 that's a no. No, that's my asking. 1:13:27.520 --> 1:13:30.400 I'm asking it's the second second best. It's my second 1:13:30.439 --> 1:13:32.320 favorite at the TM one on one for sure. 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:34.960 And then weirdly enough, I have TM one O three 1:13:35.040 --> 1:13:37.280 is the third best album. I know that's very widely 1:13:37.360 --> 1:13:44.040 unpopuble unpopular. 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It's gonna pay me 1:15:21.960 --> 1:15:27.280 for my answer when disaster strikes. What was the debut album? 1:15:27.760 --> 1:15:30.600 The coming, the fact that you have to think the 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:31.479 fact that you have to think about it. 1:15:31.560 --> 1:15:33.680 Let you know now, the answer is no, bad bus. 1:15:33.760 --> 1:15:35.960 There is a goat. Buster is one of the greatest 1:15:36.040 --> 1:15:38.240 might be you ever had. He to me is in 1:15:38.320 --> 1:15:41.880 that Chris Brown category of you are a goat. You've 1:15:41.920 --> 1:15:45.000 given us so much, you've changed the entire genre. You 1:15:45.120 --> 1:15:48.800 are an elite artist. You've never given us that body 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:52.400 of work that your peers have because you're in the 1:15:52.479 --> 1:15:56.400 conversation with with everyone that is a legend and Buster 1:15:56.520 --> 1:15:58.160 should be there and we'll always be there. 1:15:58.560 --> 1:16:01.640 But he's the Chris Brown. I think this is the 1:16:01.720 --> 1:16:02.280 answer is no. 1:16:02.640 --> 1:16:04.840 But I think there's probably large majorities of people that 1:16:04.880 --> 1:16:07.920 will say, yeah, extinction level event might be bust this 1:16:08.000 --> 1:16:10.680 classic album like his magnum Opus. But I don't think 1:16:10.720 --> 1:16:13.040 it's a It's a vast majority thing. And that's what 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.120 you know, that's part of the criteria. Yeah, you know 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:15.559 what I'm saying. 1:16:15.600 --> 1:16:19.200 He also had such a heavy output that it gets 1:16:19.280 --> 1:16:25.880 tough with you have thirty fucking albums. Ludicrous man, Fuck y'all. Yeah, 1:16:26.000 --> 1:16:26.639 chicken beer. 1:16:28.040 --> 1:16:29.360 Has a class. Chicken and Beer, I think is the 1:16:29.439 --> 1:16:31.160 one that. 1:16:32.400 --> 1:16:37.240 A classic word of mouth classic. Though all right, all right, 1:16:37.360 --> 1:16:39.200 chicken beer is a classic. The other ones are great 1:16:39.400 --> 1:16:41.120 World Classic. Can we just pull up the word classic 1:16:41.640 --> 1:16:42.960 because I like to use the right word. 1:16:43.520 --> 1:16:45.160 I'm in that in my life. I want to say 1:16:45.160 --> 1:16:46.880 the right shot, but I don't want to. Yeah, Like, 1:16:46.920 --> 1:16:48.800 I don't want to just keep saying ship, Like what 1:16:48.960 --> 1:16:50.040 do these words mean? 1:16:51.520 --> 1:16:51.800 Okay? 1:16:52.000 --> 1:16:54.160 Classic judged over a period of time to be that 1:16:54.280 --> 1:16:57.760 of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind. Remarkably 1:16:57.920 --> 1:17:02.280 and obstruct instructively typical. That's different a work of a 1:17:02.360 --> 1:17:05.439 work of art, recognized and established value, a school subject 1:17:05.479 --> 1:17:07.560 that involves a study of ancient Greek, whatever, So it 1:17:07.680 --> 1:17:09.240 has to be judged over a period of time to 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:11.519 be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind. 1:17:11.880 --> 1:17:12.160 Okay. 1:17:12.680 --> 1:17:16.400 Chicken and Beer to me is a classic to me 1:17:16.479 --> 1:17:18.760 because I was there. I don't know in thirty years 1:17:18.800 --> 1:17:22.000 if it's going to stand like who let these holes 1:17:22.080 --> 1:17:23.519 in my I don't know if that's going to like 1:17:23.680 --> 1:17:26.360 make it for the rest of the world. If you 1:17:26.439 --> 1:17:31.840 go through blow it Out, stand Up, Splash, Waterfalls, Hard Times, Dominant, back, 1:17:31.880 --> 1:17:35.160 Screwed Up, pussy pop and hip hop quotables, black Man, Struggle, 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:37.280 Hos in My Room, Teamwork, this is a classic album 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:44.240 to me. Yeah, I'm not fighting you on that all 1:17:44.320 --> 1:17:49.160 is saying, I don't know if if an asteroid hits 1:17:49.800 --> 1:17:52.640 the fucking planet and we can put albums in some 1:17:52.760 --> 1:17:55.240 ship that's gonna survive, they're gonna take chicken and beer 1:17:55.280 --> 1:17:57.200 in ellmatic and be like these are these are the. 1:18:00.800 --> 1:18:00.920 Rich. 1:18:01.000 --> 1:18:02.280 They're gonna say this is that. 1:18:03.200 --> 1:18:03.479 I don't. 1:18:03.600 --> 1:18:05.880 I think I'm like this is this was good, But 1:18:06.000 --> 1:18:07.800 I think they're gonna listen to other classes. I don't 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:13.519 know if I'm a fight forget just a long fight. 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:18.160 I don't think that good album one impact is incredible, 1:18:18.760 --> 1:18:21.360 but just no, I just don't classic. 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:23.320 I don't know if that's it. 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:25.520 Do you think there's a little bit of a nostalgia 1:18:25.560 --> 1:18:29.519 that comes with classic, Like for example, like we were 1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.799 talking about bad movies that are maybe classic. 1:18:31.880 --> 1:18:33.040 Scarface is a classic. 1:18:33.120 --> 1:18:35.040 Even though you can go home, go back and poke 1:18:35.120 --> 1:18:37.960 holes in the story, it is a classic Belly horrible movie, 1:18:38.160 --> 1:18:39.400 It's still a classic movie. 1:18:41.080 --> 1:18:44.160 Scarface are actually very similar where there there are a 1:18:44.160 --> 1:18:46.559 lot of great moments. Yes there's a storyline, but it's 1:18:46.840 --> 1:18:50.280 just a bunch of cool moments. Yeah, a bunch of 1:18:50.360 --> 1:18:50.920 cool moments. 1:18:51.000 --> 1:18:56.560 But they also still Belly still affects like cultural conversations 1:18:56.640 --> 1:18:57.240 to this day. 1:18:57.320 --> 1:18:58.920 It's still quoted to this day. 1:19:01.920 --> 1:19:04.360 How Hype shot it is, how people to this day 1:19:04.400 --> 1:19:05.639 shoot movies and music videos. 1:19:05.800 --> 1:19:09.000 Yeah, so you can't so yeah, you can say that 1:19:09.360 --> 1:19:13.000 in as a centophile. Yes it's bad. It's a bad movie, 1:19:13.200 --> 1:19:16.920 but it's still a classic, Like you can't take classic 1:19:17.000 --> 1:19:17.280 from it. 1:19:18.680 --> 1:19:23.040 I'm with you, inspected deck, look at all face. If 1:19:23.080 --> 1:19:23.919 the flood didn't. 1:19:23.680 --> 1:19:26.360 Happen, maybe if DMX and NOS was not casting in that, 1:19:26.439 --> 1:19:27.760 we wouldn't even be talking about that movie. 1:19:27.840 --> 1:19:28.280 Of course not. 1:19:28.600 --> 1:19:30.439 But that's a lot of things. Yeah, okay, if Hype 1:19:30.479 --> 1:19:32.880 didn't direct it, like yeah, anybody else did train it? 1:19:34.080 --> 1:19:34.680 No, no, no no. 1:19:35.960 --> 1:19:37.760 If Jay didn't rap, reasonable doubt, no no no no. 1:19:38.800 --> 1:19:42.120 Cashing is super important. Well, we've seen movies and TV 1:19:42.240 --> 1:19:43.360 shows where you know. 1:19:43.400 --> 1:19:45.640 They shot the pilot and they shot the pilot with 1:19:45.720 --> 1:19:48.160 one person and you know there was no chemistry and 1:19:48.240 --> 1:19:50.240 they put in another person like I could never see 1:19:50.800 --> 1:19:53.080 you know, Alan think as this as the dad you 1:19:53.120 --> 1:19:53.680 know what I'm saying, Like. 1:19:53.720 --> 1:19:54.200 Shit like that. 1:19:54.479 --> 1:19:57.760 So it's a funny example, I mean, but that's also 1:19:57.880 --> 1:19:59.800 hilarious too because NAS was horrible, and. 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:03.559 But that adds to the allure of it. Oddly enough, Yo, 1:20:03.640 --> 1:20:05.240 I got shot in the leg. Let's go to Africa. 1:20:06.240 --> 1:20:15.559 Africa's far talking about Africa that fall. You said niggas 1:20:15.760 --> 1:20:20.120 pull up anything will pull up. The viotage is crazy. 1:20:20.439 --> 1:20:21.640 I just think it's a good movie. I don't know 1:20:21.680 --> 1:20:23.040 if it's a classic, but I get it. 1:20:23.120 --> 1:20:25.559 It's because it's so attached to our culture with DMX 1:20:25.600 --> 1:20:26.320 and nas being but. 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:27.320 Hood Classic exists. 1:20:27.400 --> 1:20:30.040 Yeah, hood classic classic, that's a real thing. But I 1:20:30.040 --> 1:20:31.840 don't want to take away from see. I don't want 1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:34.439 to say hood classic because Belly and Scarface are about 1:20:34.439 --> 1:20:36.720 the same amount of bad. And why only one of 1:20:36.760 --> 1:20:38.519 them got to be deemed as a hood classic, like. 1:20:40.000 --> 1:20:44.880 The scot Face the Hood Classic too, Yeah, only a 1:20:44.920 --> 1:20:47.320 classic because the Hood sex a classic. 1:20:48.240 --> 1:20:52.120 Suburban American thinks scarf a classicus is not. 1:20:52.280 --> 1:20:57.519 Jacket scarf face and Mount Kisskoy jackets golf. 1:20:57.640 --> 1:21:00.280 I don't know what happens in the nineties, but whenever 1:21:00.320 --> 1:21:02.960 they put like scarface posters out, then the whites got 1:21:03.040 --> 1:21:06.040 into scarface. That's really what it was, because the whites 1:21:06.120 --> 1:21:09.880 like hip hop and posters. Yeah, but because we said, 1:21:10.280 --> 1:21:12.559 we said it was a classic, you know, but. 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:15.600 If you start talking to If you ask DiCaprio with 1:21:15.760 --> 1:21:18.160 Scarface lands for he loves Al, I'm sure he ows 1:21:18.200 --> 1:21:21.360 this guy, but he doesn't go to Scarface when he's 1:21:21.360 --> 1:21:22.040 talking about Al. 1:21:22.840 --> 1:21:24.960 He's probably that's our's worst movie. If you ask the 1:21:25.680 --> 1:21:25.960 I was. 1:21:25.960 --> 1:21:29.800 Probably embarrassed in certain rooms when that's yeah, like that's so, 1:21:29.880 --> 1:21:30.439 that's what I'm saying. 1:21:30.439 --> 1:21:33.600 It still is a classic for what. Yeah, it's a 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:35.280 classic for what. It's worse for what is a classic 1:21:35.280 --> 1:21:36.879 because we said it was a classic, because. 1:21:37.120 --> 1:21:39.840 Even if it's not good, you can put something. I 1:21:39.880 --> 1:21:42.120 think music is a little different from movies because people 1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.800 will put on bad movies and enjoy them even even 1:21:45.880 --> 1:21:47.639 though they know it's a bad movie. Like we'll put 1:21:47.640 --> 1:21:50.040 on Belly knowing Belly is a terrible movie and still 1:21:50.160 --> 1:21:53.280 enjoy watching it. Putting on bad music and enjoying it 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:55.040 is cringe. It's kind that's kind of like. 1:21:55.120 --> 1:21:55.639 That's different. 1:21:57.240 --> 1:21:59.439 I'd rather look at Keisha and that lingeride in the 1:21:59.479 --> 1:22:01.839 fucking listen to some sub. 1:22:04.640 --> 1:22:06.880 Listening to p I, it's hood classic that that crossed 1:22:06.880 --> 1:22:11.160 over though, because I think, Okay, my dad loves Scarface, 1:22:11.240 --> 1:22:15.120 my dad loves dead presidents, my dad likes Payton Full, 1:22:16.120 --> 1:22:19.320 He's probably not going to sit and watch Belly with me. Like, 1:22:19.400 --> 1:22:23.240 there are hood classics that I think have have crossed over. 1:22:24.400 --> 1:22:28.160 Dead President's being one, Payton Full being one, and Scarface 1:22:28.240 --> 1:22:28.479 being one. 1:22:28.760 --> 1:22:30.479 Poetic Justice? Is that a hood classic? 1:22:30.760 --> 1:22:32.720 Don'ts off now? 1:22:32.840 --> 1:22:35.120 Right now, I'm asking is that a hood classic? I 1:22:35.200 --> 1:22:36.960 think it is. It is. 1:22:37.320 --> 1:22:37.880 It's a classic. 1:22:37.920 --> 1:22:41.360 Wouldimer say it's not. Some would say it's not, yeah, 1:22:41.600 --> 1:22:43.280 some would say what about that is not a hoods 1:22:43.360 --> 1:22:45.080 A lot of people I don't like classic. 1:22:45.400 --> 1:22:46.840 I'm just saying some people, I think that would be 1:22:46.880 --> 1:22:49.040 the bar. But you like Justice is a great you 1:22:49.040 --> 1:22:51.759 think it's a great film? Yeah? You cool? 1:22:55.200 --> 1:22:56.760 You want to make it out like who's the what's 1:22:56.800 --> 1:22:57.840 wrong with party Justice? 1:22:57.960 --> 1:22:59.880 I thought we were celebrating your birthday while we like, 1:23:00.120 --> 1:23:03.080 what's exactly you know, pose a question? 1:23:03.320 --> 1:23:07.600 What's wrong with partic Justice? I love Poetic Justice. I 1:23:07.720 --> 1:23:10.080 just wanted to make sure that the room it was 1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:13.240 a great movie. He's taking the temperature. 1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:13.559 It's hot. 1:23:14.000 --> 1:23:16.599 But I think I think in the conversation of classic albums, though, 1:23:16.640 --> 1:23:19.400 I do think some things are subjective, but at the 1:23:19.400 --> 1:23:20.000 same time. 1:23:19.960 --> 1:23:21.160 Some things are just unanimous. 1:23:21.200 --> 1:23:24.479 Though now for sure and again back to you know, 1:23:25.160 --> 1:23:27.800 Jadakiss having three two or three classes versus Drake having none. 1:23:27.880 --> 1:23:29.400 People up that list one more time. I just want 1:23:29.439 --> 1:23:30.719 to see who else was on that at. 1:23:30.640 --> 1:23:34.000 This rand puba method Man, Jadakiss, Fablack classic. 1:23:34.720 --> 1:23:37.320 It's like, see that and that's an argument. That's an argument. 1:23:37.400 --> 1:23:38.839 Some people say to Cal is a classic. 1:23:39.680 --> 1:23:43.559 I think, please, don't make this a clip. I think 1:23:43.840 --> 1:23:46.360 Cal is not a classic. I think Cal is in 1:23:46.479 --> 1:23:49.280 that time I like to Cal. It was looked at 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:52.040 as underwhelming. But look at what Jessek and Ghost did 1:23:52.080 --> 1:23:53.920 at that exact same time. It is the worst one 1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:54.439 out of all of it. 1:23:55.040 --> 1:23:55.800 That's a great point. 1:23:56.439 --> 1:23:58.519 Don't make it a clip. I don't want to get 1:23:59.160 --> 1:23:59.439 killed this. 1:24:00.160 --> 1:24:01.560 You can't go to Shatland no more. But it's a 1:24:01.600 --> 1:24:01.920 great point. 1:24:02.000 --> 1:24:03.080 Since that island this weekend. 1:24:03.600 --> 1:24:07.200 You can't go this weekend. I don't think to Cal 1:24:07.360 --> 1:24:07.439 is that. 1:24:07.680 --> 1:24:09.840 I think methan Man again is one of those like 1:24:09.960 --> 1:24:14.040 buster your goat goes without saying, but to Cal, the 1:24:14.040 --> 1:24:16.240 closest metan Man has a good album. 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.160 To Cala is a great album. Let me put it 1:24:18.200 --> 1:24:18.439 that way. 1:24:19.840 --> 1:24:21.720 See why we can't just say that about a lot 1:24:21.760 --> 1:24:24.400 of other people that's my whole point why I got 1:24:24.520 --> 1:24:27.479 to be classic classic nah, but great Cuban link Yah. 1:24:27.479 --> 1:24:29.680 It's certain shit like I wouldn't go, I wouldn't fight 1:24:29.760 --> 1:24:33.000 you tooth and nail on Grand Puba really real, but 1:24:33.120 --> 1:24:34.040 I fuck with real Lorrel. 1:24:34.080 --> 1:24:35.720 I listen to that album. I still think it's dope. 1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:36.960 The fact that I can listen to that I'm in 1:24:37.000 --> 1:24:39.240 twenty twenty six and still think it's a dope album 1:24:39.640 --> 1:24:41.599 means I think it's a dope album. But when people 1:24:41.720 --> 1:24:43.800 when I fight tooth and Nail or say it's a classic, no, 1:24:43.880 --> 1:24:45.760 I'm not dying on that hill. But I think it's 1:24:45.760 --> 1:24:48.360 a great album. I think the impact that it had. 1:24:48.720 --> 1:24:52.680 I mean, obviously we can't count Brand Nubian album as 1:24:52.720 --> 1:24:54.840 a Grand Pooba solo because it's Brandnubian. But he really 1:24:54.920 --> 1:24:56.920 carried that album, you know what I'm saying. As far 1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.760 as him coming in and being the elder statesman in 1:24:59.840 --> 1:25:01.880 that crew, you know what I'm saying, having the solo 1:25:01.960 --> 1:25:03.400 records and doing all the ship that it did. 1:25:03.680 --> 1:25:05.360 It set him up for a solo project. 1:25:05.400 --> 1:25:07.000 But yeah, nobody's gonna don't think a lot of people 1:25:07.000 --> 1:25:09.080 are gonna say Realerrilla is a classic, but it's a 1:25:09.439 --> 1:25:12.400 dope grandpoop album. Grandpool might be one of the most 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:15.280 underrated artists that we have. That's unfortunately. Let's change that. 1:25:15.439 --> 1:25:17.080 Let's change it today. Like when you talk about everything 1:25:17.120 --> 1:25:22.640 that he bought to rap different wise stash his tone sound. 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:24.960 Fresh, shit like knowledge Yourself. 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:29.200 He popped off wild brands, he popped off Jabou, crazy 1:25:30.000 --> 1:25:32.479 figure crazy. He brought that type of flash it into him, 1:25:32.720 --> 1:25:34.880 the book bag fly ship, you know what I'm saying, 1:25:35.000 --> 1:25:37.479 Like the preppy hood mixed with the hood ship, like 1:25:37.640 --> 1:25:40.280 rolling with the with the with the with the on 1:25:40.479 --> 1:25:44.040 man and and and honestly, the crazy shit is. He 1:25:44.240 --> 1:25:46.720 was so instrumental in Mary J. Blige's career, you know 1:25:46.760 --> 1:25:49.040 what I'm saying, Like what's the four one one? 1:25:49.360 --> 1:25:49.800 And and. 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:53.639 What's the joint the other jay Z joint? Check it out? 1:25:53.760 --> 1:25:57.800 Check it out like those two records without Grandpool was 1:25:57.840 --> 1:25:59.080 a far bigger artist than Mary J. 1:25:59.200 --> 1:25:59.519 Blige. 1:26:00.040 --> 1:26:02.560 His credibility gave her alidity in those spaces, you know 1:26:02.600 --> 1:26:05.040 what I'm saying, Like him popping off arguably one of 1:26:05.400 --> 1:26:08.960 our crown jewels and the Kata speaks as a testament 1:26:09.080 --> 1:26:11.519 to how important grand Pooba was in that moment. 1:26:11.600 --> 1:26:12.200 You know what I'm saying. 1:26:12.320 --> 1:26:16.800 So yeah, like he's he's probably talking that ship, yeah, 1:26:16.920 --> 1:26:18.439 and even talking that she's probably one. 1:26:18.360 --> 1:26:20.280 Of the most underrated. So it was good to see 1:26:20.920 --> 1:26:22.360 you know him on this. 1:26:22.600 --> 1:26:24.800 Just mentioned there's a lot of people you know they 1:26:24.840 --> 1:26:26.479 don't and I'm you know, I'm an eighties baby, so 1:26:26.520 --> 1:26:28.360 I know exactly what pood. 1:26:28.439 --> 1:26:28.680 What's this? 1:26:28.800 --> 1:26:31.080 Gentleman put him at number one, number one of great 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:34.680 greatest mcs without the classic. Now is this in order 1:26:34.760 --> 1:26:36.880 or is he just naming ten? I'm not sure, but 1:26:37.120 --> 1:26:39.439 I don't know if he thinks. 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:41.880 Grandpool Boy raps better than Black Thought, I don't know. 1:26:42.160 --> 1:26:44.519 Well that's that I don't get off this. This was 1:26:44.600 --> 1:26:47.040 my last point. Is it unfair that Black Thought is 1:26:47.040 --> 1:26:47.479 on this list? 1:26:49.160 --> 1:26:49.599 Unfair? 1:26:49.840 --> 1:26:54.920 Yes, yeah, it is because he's the frontman of the roots, 1:26:55.000 --> 1:26:56.320 like he's the MC and the roots. 1:26:56.520 --> 1:26:59.560 That's like saying every album that he is kind of 1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:03.120 a soul album. Yes, he carries the weight of the 1:27:03.360 --> 1:27:06.320 of the roots for the album for every album, Like 1:27:06.479 --> 1:27:08.000 I hear when if you're in a duo when you 1:27:08.040 --> 1:27:10.519 don't have a soul like Andre on there or having 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:11.360 Prodigy whatever. 1:27:11.800 --> 1:27:14.080 Yeah, you but he's the MC of the. 1:27:14.600 --> 1:27:16.439 Dice, you had other people there every now and then 1:27:16.520 --> 1:27:19.639 for it. That's just like a feature. Why is every 1:27:19.720 --> 1:27:24.240 roots album not technically right because there's been plenty of 1:27:25.320 --> 1:27:27.920 MC's that had just one producer, but they didn't name 1:27:28.000 --> 1:27:30.280 them as a group, but they had their their production 1:27:30.400 --> 1:27:31.960 squad the entire time. 1:27:32.760 --> 1:27:35.439 You think about like carra as One as opposed to 1:27:35.600 --> 1:27:39.240 Boogie Down productions. Yeah, those BDP albums are still carras One, 1:27:39.960 --> 1:27:42.280 you know what I'm saying, They're just not deemed as solo. 1:27:42.360 --> 1:27:46.720 Maybe it's production, maybe it's whatever, or like I had 1:27:46.720 --> 1:27:49.759 another point, but basically there's certain yeah, there's certain artists 1:27:49.800 --> 1:27:53.080 that carry the bulk of the m seeing on the project, 1:27:53.120 --> 1:27:55.759 but because of the way the group is labeled or named, 1:27:56.439 --> 1:27:58.719 it's not you know, the Roots, The Roots is Black Thought. 1:27:59.360 --> 1:28:00.400 It's verse wise. 1:28:00.960 --> 1:28:02.720 Yeah, I mean, I if you want to make the 1:28:02.800 --> 1:28:05.760 case that it's a duo based off the amount of 1:28:06.840 --> 1:28:09.720 musicians that came and went, it's Black Thought and Questlove. 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:14.400 But even then, like, okay, Black Thoughts the only not. 1:28:14.520 --> 1:28:18.240 Rapping, you know, And of course you got all of 1:28:18.280 --> 1:28:20.880 the other mcs that were you got Dice Raw, you 1:28:20.960 --> 1:28:24.400 got trucking Off you got damn who just passed. I'm 1:28:24.720 --> 1:28:26.160 having a brain fart. But you know, there were other 1:28:26.280 --> 1:28:29.240 mcs that were part of the collective. But Black Thought 1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:31.120 even in those records, it's not like there was a 1:28:31.160 --> 1:28:32.880 bunch of solo records from a bunch of other people. 1:28:32.960 --> 1:28:35.720 Black Thought is the bulk of the MCing and the 1:28:35.840 --> 1:28:37.639 roots throughout the entire catalog. 1:28:37.760 --> 1:28:39.479 To me, that's like saying Doggie Style is not a 1:28:39.560 --> 1:28:40.360 solo snoop album. 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:43.280 It's the same thing. 1:28:46.240 --> 1:28:48.360 It's labeled as a snoop album though. So that's that's 1:28:48.360 --> 1:28:51.040 what a different difference is. But that's like saying, you 1:28:51.120 --> 1:28:52.800 know you can you could say, you could say the 1:28:52.880 --> 1:28:54.679 Crime want music music. 1:28:54.760 --> 1:28:58.720 It's one producer and one rapper, a mirror and Black 1:28:58.800 --> 1:29:03.880 Thought doctors Ray. So is there a difference just because 1:29:03.880 --> 1:29:07.360 the label said Roots versus Black Thought. Now you make 1:29:07.400 --> 1:29:10.240 a case Black Thought every Roots project is a solo 1:29:10.760 --> 1:29:11.519 Black Thought out. 1:29:11.360 --> 1:29:13.800 A public enemy. Right, Those are Chuck, Those are Chuck. 1:29:13.880 --> 1:29:16.040 The albums Flip jumped in you know what I mean? 1:29:16.120 --> 1:29:18.000 Ad Lib Yeah, no one is a joke. But for 1:29:18.120 --> 1:29:20.840 the most part, Chuck D carries the bulk of the 1:29:21.000 --> 1:29:23.400 m SING throughout those projects. You know, what I'm saying. 1:29:23.560 --> 1:29:26.639 Or Gangstar is a group, but Preme didn't drop no raps. 1:29:26.960 --> 1:29:30.560 You know what I'm saying, Like those are Guru. You 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:32.919 know what I'm saying, Like Guru m sed on those albums. 1:29:33.960 --> 1:29:38.840 Yeah, this this is close. How many classic albums you 1:29:38.840 --> 1:29:39.599 think Jadakins has? 1:29:40.920 --> 1:29:44.040 If I gotta, if I gotta fight for it, I'm 1:29:44.040 --> 1:29:48.080 gonna say one. I'm gonna say that the debut, And 1:29:48.200 --> 1:29:49.280 you said which one is classic? 1:29:50.160 --> 1:29:52.320 I think Kissed the Game Goodbye and Kiss the Death. 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:55.400 My I have personal classics and then I have classics. 1:29:56.280 --> 1:29:59.360 There are under personal classics for me. If I were 1:29:59.400 --> 1:30:02.360 doing a class like Top twenty, I don't think I 1:30:02.439 --> 1:30:04.200 put kiss It at their Kissed the Game Goodbye. 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:08.120 Thirty five year old me being overlooked. I think ghetto 1:30:08.120 --> 1:30:09.280 Fabulist is being overlooked. 1:30:09.479 --> 1:30:14.040 It doesn't have in these conversations. That's okay, how y'all 1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:19.920 say that so fast? But then, all right, I. 1:30:19.960 --> 1:30:21.920 Think ghetto fabulous is being overlooked in a lot of 1:30:21.960 --> 1:30:22.760 these conversations. 1:30:23.280 --> 1:30:24.880 I was gonna go over real talk because anything I 1:30:24.920 --> 1:30:25.559 think Street. 1:30:25.360 --> 1:30:28.880 Dreams is being overlooked. Street Dreams it's classic, all right? 1:30:28.920 --> 1:30:32.559 Then you this classic I'm just saying. I'm just saying, bro, 1:30:33.160 --> 1:30:34.759 we got your great albums. Great albums. 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:36.880 We won't call them class, won't say the C word, 1:30:37.040 --> 1:30:37.960 but they're great albums. 1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:39.720 And that's all I'm just I just want people to 1:30:39.800 --> 1:30:42.800 stop using the word classic so loosely, right, unless you're 1:30:42.800 --> 1:30:44.599 talking about get Rich of dot trying, then please call 1:30:44.680 --> 1:30:45.480 it a classic. 1:30:46.600 --> 1:30:48.479 If you deem so, if you feel that way. And 1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:51.280 like I said, it's also not even from Queens. That's 1:30:51.360 --> 1:30:53.160 all subjective. It's all subjective. 1:30:53.520 --> 1:30:56.519 You could be from Queens in the UK and that's 1:30:56.560 --> 1:30:59.000 a classic album. Okay, before we get out of here, 1:30:59.080 --> 1:31:01.040 I'm asking this because I know the listeners want to 1:31:01.720 --> 1:31:05.160 hear from you more. I'm interviewing at this point. This morning, 1:31:05.439 --> 1:31:09.240 Charlemagne had mentioned that he talked to somebody that heard 1:31:09.400 --> 1:31:12.280 Iceman and that Future was on it, and it's been 1:31:12.320 --> 1:31:14.760 going viral all morning. This this is in real time. 1:31:15.400 --> 1:31:19.439 Can you confirm or deny that Future is on Iceman 1:31:19.720 --> 1:31:31.840 as of March twelfth, twenty twenty six, Dumpy side, big fact? 1:31:35.000 --> 1:31:35.320 Is he on? 1:31:35.600 --> 1:31:38.680 Is he on Iceman as it stands today? March? I 1:31:38.800 --> 1:31:43.880 just said March twelfth, twenty twenty six, he might be okay. 1:31:44.840 --> 1:31:48.040 I mean I personally the information I have and on 1:31:48.200 --> 1:31:52.519 the album, it's he's on the board, he's on the 1:31:52.520 --> 1:31:56.200 white board. It's ye, he's on the white body. Ideas ideas. 1:31:57.040 --> 1:32:00.200 There's a white board, parentheses an asterisk like what is well? 1:32:00.280 --> 1:32:05.439 Ideas smart, ideas are Ideas are being created? Yes, ideas 1:32:06.120 --> 1:32:07.839 are being created, have been created? 1:32:08.760 --> 1:32:11.240 Somebody they write future on the white boy will say Hendrix. 1:32:11.720 --> 1:32:14.280 Well, well, I don't know about that, but I know 1:32:14.439 --> 1:32:18.719 ideas or his full government have been created. Idea continue 1:32:18.760 --> 1:32:22.280 to be created, Ideas have been pivoted from gotcha. 1:32:22.760 --> 1:32:24.280 So yeah, it's it's it's no. 1:32:24.320 --> 1:32:26.880 Matter where you went to media training school up they 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:28.519 still like they still open. 1:32:28.400 --> 1:32:29.160 Or they like that. 1:32:29.280 --> 1:32:31.120 Well and Well told them that, no, that's just a fact. 1:32:31.479 --> 1:32:34.559 It's just ideas of being created. The album is being 1:32:35.320 --> 1:32:37.200 you know, fleshed out. It's still a process. 1:32:37.680 --> 1:32:38.080 Interesting. 1:32:38.200 --> 1:32:40.400 So but I thought, because this isn't even information that 1:32:40.640 --> 1:32:42.680 like we had behind the scenes. I thought it was 1:32:42.760 --> 1:32:44.720 kind of like known that Drake in the future pieced up. 1:32:45.680 --> 1:32:47.639 That's why everyone's like, yo, what the how could this happen? 1:32:47.840 --> 1:32:50.360 I thought that wasn't that like kind of common knowledge 1:32:50.479 --> 1:32:53.040 on the timeline they were that they were cool again. 1:32:53.120 --> 1:32:54.360 Oh, I don't know that. I don't I don't know 1:32:54.400 --> 1:32:57.040 about that, But you know, I don't think there's. 1:32:56.920 --> 1:32:58.760 I'm tapped in with the Twitter rumors that that was 1:32:58.840 --> 1:33:01.639 going around everywhere, that Future and Drake we're cool again. 1:33:01.960 --> 1:33:04.439 I don't think it's far fetched that they may work 1:33:04.479 --> 1:33:06.840 together again. I don't think that's a far fetched idea. 1:33:07.200 --> 1:33:11.160 Music. Music is exponentially better when those guys are cool. 1:33:11.360 --> 1:33:13.240 I would I would hope to God Drake and Future 1:33:13.320 --> 1:33:14.760 our friends and make more music. 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:15.360 Need that. 1:33:16.920 --> 1:33:17.800 Again before we leave. 1:33:17.880 --> 1:33:20.000 I've noticed Mall is more like Ebro than I ever 1:33:20.080 --> 1:33:24.120 thought because I saw this wild clip of Ebro today. 1:33:26.800 --> 1:33:29.840 Please are you trying to get him back for saying 1:33:29.880 --> 1:33:30.679 get Richard die Tarya? 1:33:30.720 --> 1:33:32.280 It wasn't a class No. That's why I'm starting to 1:33:32.320 --> 1:33:34.840 realize that that Mall just his speech off to get 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:36.800 rich shit like that. We don't know what we're talking about. 1:33:36.880 --> 1:33:39.320 Did y'all see this this Hebro clip today and salutes 1:33:39.320 --> 1:33:41.519 to Hebros. That's that's my guy, Love love you Hebro. 1:33:41.880 --> 1:33:43.760 This might be one of the wildest clips I've seen 1:33:43.800 --> 1:33:45.040 this month. Can we play this? 1:33:45.400 --> 1:33:47.680 But that's why in hip hop, there has always been 1:33:47.760 --> 1:33:51.360 gatekeepers because some of y'all don't deserve a fucking opinion 1:33:52.000 --> 1:33:59.599 because you haven't been doing this professionally, consuming playing and critiquing. 1:33:59.160 --> 1:34:03.680 Hip hop as your life. You're just a fan and 1:34:03.800 --> 1:34:06.880 we love you. You're just a consumer. You're a customer, 1:34:07.000 --> 1:34:07.840 as we call them. 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:13.759 That's why sometimes your opinion customer doesn't fucking count, because 1:34:13.800 --> 1:34:16.880 you don't fucking do this for real. And that's why 1:34:16.960 --> 1:34:19.120 when people who do this for real get around and 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:22.719 they start looking at the nuances of what an album 1:34:22.800 --> 1:34:25.600 actually is and what it should mean, and what the 1:34:25.720 --> 1:34:28.800 person is saying through the album and the picture that 1:34:28.920 --> 1:34:31.960 it's painting and the lyrical breakdown and them being able 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:34.360 to stay on topic, and who the producers are and 1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:37.680 what it means and what it serves in time and 1:34:37.800 --> 1:34:41.479 all of these things. When you critique complete bodies of work, 1:34:41.880 --> 1:34:45.400 not just collections of great songs, that's when you get 1:34:45.479 --> 1:34:49.160 into what is a classic album in general and a 1:34:49.280 --> 1:34:50.559 classic hip hop album. 1:34:50.800 --> 1:34:52.840 Ma I felt like you kind of sounded like that 1:34:54.000 --> 1:34:56.920 to us today talking about Gabrich, Like we don't know 1:34:56.920 --> 1:34:57.559 what we're talking about. 1:34:58.520 --> 1:35:02.120 I say, y'all don't know Joe to that never came 1:35:02.160 --> 1:35:03.880 out of my mouth one time. I never said that, 1:35:04.360 --> 1:35:06.599 what is he what is Hebro talking about her? I mean, 1:35:06.680 --> 1:35:08.200 I don't know what he read or what people are 1:35:08.200 --> 1:35:10.360 saying to him online. Maybe he feels like people that 1:35:11.080 --> 1:35:14.320 you know, haven't been in or around music, in the 1:35:14.360 --> 1:35:16.280 business of music as much as he has or as 1:35:16.320 --> 1:35:19.680 long as he has, don't really have anything that they 1:35:19.720 --> 1:35:22.680 could say to him, because again, you're speaking from a 1:35:22.720 --> 1:35:26.400 different perspective of it. One is a true consumer. First 1:35:26.400 --> 1:35:29.240 of all, we're all consumers, we all consume consumers. But 1:35:30.600 --> 1:35:33.200 Ebro has been on the other side. He's been in 1:35:33.280 --> 1:35:36.680 a music business. He's been programmed, directed at radio, and 1:35:36.800 --> 1:35:40.280 you know, things like that. So he has a different sense, 1:35:40.360 --> 1:35:42.760 in a different you know, connection to the pulse of 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:46.920 music and just the energy of music. So I understand 1:35:46.920 --> 1:35:49.360 what he's saying to an extent. I don't know who 1:35:49.400 --> 1:35:50.920 he's talking I don't know where this came from. I 1:35:50.960 --> 1:35:53.760 don't know if somebody said something based on something Nebro 1:35:53.920 --> 1:35:56.840 said and responded to him and got mad at something 1:35:56.880 --> 1:35:57.240 he said. 1:35:57.320 --> 1:36:00.320 On his opinion. But these are all just a pinions. 1:36:01.160 --> 1:36:02.200 It's all about opinions. 1:36:02.360 --> 1:36:05.360 But again, something's a little crazy to say, yeah, y'all 1:36:05.400 --> 1:36:07.720 feel like me saying get Rich Dot Trine's not a 1:36:07.720 --> 1:36:09.200 class Even though said it's a great album, I just 1:36:09.240 --> 1:36:10.840 don't think it's a classic. Got no, this is good 1:36:10.880 --> 1:36:11.679 barbershop debate. 1:36:11.800 --> 1:36:12.400 That's one thing. 1:36:12.680 --> 1:36:14.800 I think that people talk with a certain level of 1:36:14.920 --> 1:36:17.439 certainty that don't have no idea what the fuck they 1:36:17.520 --> 1:36:20.040 talking about. And in that regard, I gotta agree with 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:23.760 him because I'm in the music business. I'm a rap up, 1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:25.320 been on the road, I'm a songwriter. I'm friends with 1:36:25.360 --> 1:36:27.559 these artists. I know what happened in the studio, why 1:36:27.640 --> 1:36:28.639 this song didn't come out. 1:36:28.560 --> 1:36:29.000 Et cetera. 1:36:29.280 --> 1:36:33.160 You have people that, respectfully, you work at FedEx, you 1:36:33.280 --> 1:36:34.840 go get your hair cutting the barber shop, and you 1:36:34.960 --> 1:36:37.600 talk with this level of certainty about things you have 1:36:37.840 --> 1:36:40.760 no idea about. And that shit pisces me off because 1:36:40.760 --> 1:36:44.880 it's like, and God forbid you, fucking Bob michaelphone. 1:36:44.439 --> 1:36:46.720 In a computer and a camera and now you have 1:36:46.800 --> 1:36:49.160 it the Internet. Yeah, God forbid you got Wi Fi. 1:36:49.320 --> 1:36:51.519 Because now you're talking, and now you got an audience, 1:36:51.560 --> 1:36:53.280 and now you got people chiming in, and now people 1:36:53.600 --> 1:36:56.479 are taking your word as some type of factual thing. 1:36:56.800 --> 1:36:59.479 When basically you really just talking out your ass. And 1:36:59.560 --> 1:37:02.360 I think that where it gets convoluted in that there's 1:37:02.439 --> 1:37:05.400 like a disconnection is that you have certain people that 1:37:05.680 --> 1:37:08.000 do have a certain pedigree and do have a certain 1:37:08.040 --> 1:37:11.000 regard for this business with the knowledge and access that 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.599 goes along with it, and they YouTube come up right 1:37:13.680 --> 1:37:16.479 after the other person who just talk about shit in 1:37:16.600 --> 1:37:19.559 the room and people they value those things the same 1:37:19.640 --> 1:37:21.439 way when it's not coming from the same place. 1:37:21.600 --> 1:37:23.760 So I understand where you're coming from as far as 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:27.400 like talking about behind the scene shit that other people 1:37:27.640 --> 1:37:29.280 may not be privy to, but they get on the 1:37:29.360 --> 1:37:31.439 mic and like fans come on and say all types 1:37:31.479 --> 1:37:34.519 of conspiracy theories with artists on all types of shit first, 1:37:34.600 --> 1:37:35.880 like they're talking for sure, and they have no idea 1:37:35.920 --> 1:37:37.840 what the fuck they're talking about. Right with that, I agree, 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:40.000 But when it comes to the music in the ear, 1:37:40.640 --> 1:37:44.639 the artists should never be creating music for his peers 1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:47.840 or for the people to work at radio stations to 1:37:47.920 --> 1:37:49.519 critique it. Yeah, we want you to play it, but 1:37:49.640 --> 1:37:52.439 it's not for you. It's for the niggas in the 1:37:52.479 --> 1:37:56.040 barber shop to debate whether kissing or kiss the game. Goodbye, 1:37:56.120 --> 1:37:58.559 is a fucking plastic years later. It's not for us, 1:37:59.080 --> 1:38:01.519 it's not for they hate that we even talk about 1:38:01.560 --> 1:38:01.960 their shit. 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:03.040 They don't create it for us. 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:06.280 They create it for the fans something more more often, 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:09.280 especially now for the casual fan. So to say that 1:38:09.360 --> 1:38:12.000 those people don't have the right to critique music when 1:38:12.040 --> 1:38:14.720 they're the ones who started critique and music before it 1:38:14.880 --> 1:38:17.280 became a job that pays ebro all of that money, 1:38:17.479 --> 1:38:18.680 that's stupid to me. 1:38:18.800 --> 1:38:20.759 I'm sorry if that's his argument. 1:38:21.000 --> 1:38:23.160 Yeah, everybody has the right once the artists out there, 1:38:23.439 --> 1:38:26.280 everybody with ears has the right to critique it. 1:38:26.479 --> 1:38:28.880 And you're right and everything that you said. But to me, 1:38:29.000 --> 1:38:32.040 that's a very very small, small small part of the 1:38:32.080 --> 1:38:35.519 people that consume music. We're consumed in that world, whether 1:38:35.560 --> 1:38:38.320 it's content reactions, this and that, the fans that have 1:38:38.479 --> 1:38:42.040 now become reaction commenters, and that YouTube world. 1:38:42.120 --> 1:38:43.400 Yeah, it's a big thing. 1:38:43.479 --> 1:38:45.519 Gets a lot of views, but go through the streams 1:38:45.520 --> 1:38:48.800 of an artist versus the streams of a reaction. Neither 1:38:48.840 --> 1:38:52.200 here nor there. Most people are driving their kids to school, 1:38:52.479 --> 1:38:54.479 going to and from work, and are there to just 1:38:54.560 --> 1:38:57.160 listen to the music and have every right to critique 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:59.360 the entire thing. But I'm not saying Ebro was wrong. 1:38:59.520 --> 1:39:02.240 It was just in the way he said it with 1:39:02.360 --> 1:39:06.679 such entitlement, where he doesn't realize we are the least 1:39:06.920 --> 1:39:10.040 important part of this entire process. We as in who 1:39:10.880 --> 1:39:16.560 the critiquers, the media people, the commenters that are on 1:39:16.720 --> 1:39:19.080 these microphones, We are the least important out of this 1:39:19.120 --> 1:39:21.479 whole process. Matter of fact, Ebro was more important when 1:39:21.520 --> 1:39:24.120 he was a programmed director and was able to play 1:39:24.439 --> 1:39:27.240 certain records for artists. At that point, he was more 1:39:27.280 --> 1:39:30.320 important than someone that could critique. The two most important 1:39:30.360 --> 1:39:32.920 people in this group is the artist, number one, and 1:39:33.040 --> 1:39:35.360 then the consumer that's listening to it and buying it. 1:39:35.680 --> 1:39:38.280 Because a lot of times people in front of microphones 1:39:38.280 --> 1:39:40.880 will start listening to records they've never listened to. They're 1:39:40.920 --> 1:39:46.160 only doing it to critique. They're not a consumer. Especially 1:39:46.400 --> 1:39:48.200 I'm listening to this because I have to comment on it. 1:39:48.240 --> 1:39:51.320 I'm not a consumer. That we are the least important, 1:39:51.880 --> 1:39:53.320 and that's also why I hate I'm going to go 1:39:53.360 --> 1:39:54.280 against our own shit. 1:39:54.360 --> 1:39:59.320 That's why I hate PR people. Now you ain't Querto 1:39:59.360 --> 1:40:02.599 Ricans listen that bad buddy was ringing. 1:40:02.600 --> 1:40:10.040 I know what with PR people, I think they're disconnected. 1:40:10.040 --> 1:40:12.240 Do I love that artists want to come up here 1:40:12.240 --> 1:40:14.599 and talk about stuff. I just don't think that's as 1:40:14.680 --> 1:40:16.840 important as y'all think it is, because a lot of 1:40:16.960 --> 1:40:20.360 our fans are content fans, they're not music fans. If 1:40:20.400 --> 1:40:23.000 someone comes up here and isn't able to play their music, 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:26.280 because you can't do that with YouTube, Netflix, anywhere, it'll 1:40:26.320 --> 1:40:28.680 get white listed, hustling backwards. You can't even tell your 1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:30.360 label to let us clear a song that we could 1:40:30.360 --> 1:40:34.519 play on our show. What that's not a music consumer. 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:37.519 You're selling music right now. You're coming up here just 1:40:37.640 --> 1:40:39.599 to try to be funny so you can get some views. 1:40:39.640 --> 1:40:42.920 That doesn't That does not move the needle on selling arts. 1:40:44.160 --> 1:40:46.640 Having this conversation with the artist, like the game is 1:40:46.720 --> 1:40:49.000 so fucked up, right because like you know, God, I'm 1:40:49.040 --> 1:40:51.040 on Serious XM. Right, it's a radio platform, it's a 1:40:51.120 --> 1:40:54.559 national platform. We play music. The music once it plays. 1:40:55.080 --> 1:40:57.160 If you wrote those songs or you're an artists on 1:40:57.200 --> 1:40:59.720 those songs, you will get paid from those songs. You'll 1:40:59.760 --> 1:41:02.200 have artists that will dub coming up to Serious to 1:41:02.240 --> 1:41:04.160 come and sit with y'all. No, I'm just saying in general, 1:41:04.240 --> 1:41:07.960 right because y'all high or they know the clips is 1:41:08.000 --> 1:41:10.920 going to go whatever whatever, that's not gonna ring the register, 1:41:11.360 --> 1:41:12.840 you know what I'm saying. And so that shit is, 1:41:12.920 --> 1:41:15.560 like the whole shit is, is convoluted and twisted. But 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:18.760 back to your point, we also, I mean, I don't 1:41:18.760 --> 1:41:20.760 look at myself as a media personnelity, even though people do. 1:41:20.880 --> 1:41:22.960 I'm an artist, I create a right, but I think 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:25.920 I have enough cachet in the business that I do 1:41:26.200 --> 1:41:29.200 have an opinion to talk about it as well. But 1:41:29.320 --> 1:41:32.240 I think that you talk about those people. Those people also, 1:41:33.080 --> 1:41:35.559 the consumers are important because they go out and consume. 1:41:35.680 --> 1:41:37.559 Right now, we're all streaming, so it's different, but they'll 1:41:37.560 --> 1:41:41.000 still go buy ticket y'all. Motherfucker's not buying tickets to shows, 1:41:41.120 --> 1:41:44.000 y'all calling the label, y'all calling the manager, y'all. 1:41:43.800 --> 1:41:44.519 Going in for free. 1:41:44.640 --> 1:41:47.080 And when you want access too, you want to go backstage, 1:41:47.320 --> 1:41:48.719 you want adapt the artists, you might. 1:41:48.680 --> 1:41:50.759 Want to Yeah, you might want to get some content, 1:41:50.800 --> 1:41:51.400 you know what I'm saying. 1:41:52.040 --> 1:41:54.240 So yeah, you're right to that in that regard, like 1:41:54.520 --> 1:41:57.040 we are the least important people because if you're if 1:41:57.080 --> 1:41:59.680 your objective is to put out music so that you 1:41:59.720 --> 1:42:03.439 can financially support yourself and your family, then the consumer 1:42:03.560 --> 1:42:04.800 is who you need to be focused on. 1:42:05.520 --> 1:42:08.760 And to me also, it's contradicting of what Ebro does 1:42:08.840 --> 1:42:11.120 that I admire about Ebro with his Apple show. Outside 1:42:11.120 --> 1:42:12.719 of what he does when de Deska Low and everyone, 1:42:13.040 --> 1:42:15.200 he also does his one on one interviews with artists 1:42:15.240 --> 1:42:17.360 that are still teetering on the line. I appreciate that 1:42:17.479 --> 1:42:20.240 Ebro will interview artists that are not a list and 1:42:20.280 --> 1:42:22.679 I think that does help them because on the Apple 1:42:22.720 --> 1:42:26.360 platform you can play the music afterwards because it's on 1:42:26.439 --> 1:42:28.800 their streaming site. And it's more important because we can't 1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:31.280 play music up here because we get flagged. Ebro can 1:42:31.360 --> 1:42:33.240 do that with his stuff and I think that's important. 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:36.000 But why Ebro is doing it outside of him also 1:42:36.080 --> 1:42:38.800 making money as he should he as a family, It 1:42:39.040 --> 1:42:41.720 is to get that artist in front of people that 1:42:41.800 --> 1:42:44.120 will consume the music, the same people that Ebro is 1:42:44.160 --> 1:42:45.000 just shitting on right now. 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:49.280 Interesting, Yeah, what are we getting the context of weird? 1:42:49.360 --> 1:42:51.240 The person that's supposed to have an opinion, You're trying 1:42:51.280 --> 1:42:52.280 to show them the artist. 1:42:52.400 --> 1:42:54.839 Well, it appears that he that he was also involved 1:42:54.920 --> 1:42:58.800 in the classic Yeah conversation of an album, and I'm 1:42:58.840 --> 1:42:59.840 sure people disagree. 1:43:00.040 --> 1:43:01.240 Everybody can have an opinion on that. 1:43:01.400 --> 1:43:04.640 We're all music snobs. And I also will not have 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.080 conversations with certain people that I know don't love music 1:43:08.160 --> 1:43:08.559 the same way. 1:43:08.600 --> 1:43:09.160 I agree. 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:11.240 There'll be plenty of people like, oh, I see where 1:43:11.280 --> 1:43:13.479 you're at with shit. I'm not even there's no point 1:43:13.560 --> 1:43:15.720 us even having a conversation. Literally, I get that there, 1:43:15.760 --> 1:43:17.400 but I don't shit on them as a human being 1:43:17.479 --> 1:43:19.519 to say that they do not matter and are not 1:43:19.640 --> 1:43:21.719 allowed to listen to music or have an opinion anymore. 1:43:22.600 --> 1:43:24.519 What I want to do, bro, and don't say one 1:43:24.760 --> 1:43:28.840 word so many they have in four hour conversations and 1:43:28.960 --> 1:43:30.040 debates about shit. 1:43:30.160 --> 1:43:31.800 I know how they get mad when you don't speak. 1:43:31.880 --> 1:43:32.600 I know it. 1:43:32.720 --> 1:43:34.040 No, I get my cut, I get out of there. 1:43:34.240 --> 1:43:36.519 But it's just so I be so fortunate when I'm 1:43:36.520 --> 1:43:38.600 in the chair, because then I can't really talk, but 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:41.120 I be hearing people talk, and I mean to very 1:43:41.400 --> 1:43:45.120 very high regard and disagreement about shit. They just don't 1:43:45.200 --> 1:43:46.640 have any idea about it, and I just be like, 1:43:46.880 --> 1:43:48.240 y'all know what the fuck y'all talking about? 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:50.439 But I felt like that with. 1:43:50.640 --> 1:43:54.800 Math, But I can't argue that because this music subjective, right, 1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:56.800 So I'm just like, how can y'all say that this 1:43:56.960 --> 1:43:59.360 artist has three or two or three classics and this 1:43:59.520 --> 1:44:00.360 artist has none? 1:44:01.200 --> 1:44:03.080 You too, were too about classic. 1:44:02.960 --> 1:44:05.320 Albums, not a rap album, not R and B album, 1:44:05.560 --> 1:44:08.280 a classic body of work. To me, it's just like 1:44:08.640 --> 1:44:09.920 and in that moment, I was like, you know what, 1:44:10.600 --> 1:44:12.519 I get it, Like, it's all we all are going 1:44:12.600 --> 1:44:15.519 to experience and hear things and and take from art 1:44:16.040 --> 1:44:16.920 differently than others. 1:44:17.280 --> 1:44:17.800 So I get it. 1:44:18.120 --> 1:44:20.200 So we can have the conversation just because it's all 1:44:20.320 --> 1:44:22.880 entertainment for ships and giggles, But it's like certain things, 1:44:22.880 --> 1:44:25.000 I'm just not debating cert I just don't get when 1:44:25.040 --> 1:44:27.040 people speak matter of factly about shit that they just 1:44:27.080 --> 1:44:29.280 don't know, especially like business ship. We can talk about 1:44:29.479 --> 1:44:31.680 opinions on music. Everybody can have their opinion on that. 1:44:32.479 --> 1:44:34.840 People talk about now because you know, Son started fucking 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:36.000 with Son because he did this or. 1:44:36.040 --> 1:44:36.840 He did the record, and. 1:44:38.400 --> 1:44:40.280 That shit is annoying as fuck. But to me, to me, 1:44:40.400 --> 1:44:42.600 that's not talking about music. That's content. You're in the 1:44:42.640 --> 1:44:45.000 content game. You're in the gossip game. You're in you're 1:44:45.080 --> 1:44:47.880 in the Wendy Williams World. Did Wendy talk about music, Sure, 1:44:47.880 --> 1:44:49.760 but Wendy was in the gossip world. To me, that's 1:44:49.800 --> 1:44:50.960 what those people are in. 1:44:52.760 --> 1:44:53.280 A protast. 1:44:54.360 --> 1:44:55.679 Wendy looking like, you know, a lot of the fucks 1:44:55.720 --> 1:44:58.840 she was talking about on her gay listen might be 1:44:58.920 --> 1:45:06.040 bad a thousand but but still gott But I mean 1:45:06.080 --> 1:45:08.479 to me again, I'm the same way in barbershops. I 1:45:08.560 --> 1:45:10.360 will just stay quiet because it'll be a lot of 1:45:10.400 --> 1:45:11.840 shit that infuriates me and it'll be like, you don't 1:45:11.840 --> 1:45:13.120 know what the fuck you're talking about, But I stay 1:45:13.160 --> 1:45:16.960 quiet because music. I'm a snob, yes, but I realized 1:45:17.000 --> 1:45:20.080 that music is not necessarily for snobs the way maybe 1:45:20.120 --> 1:45:21.880 the art world is that's very niche. 1:45:22.320 --> 1:45:23.599 Music is for the whole world. 1:45:23.720 --> 1:45:25.800 The volume of music that comes out every day is 1:45:25.920 --> 1:45:28.880 not the way bask yacht paintings come out, Like, Yeah, 1:45:28.920 --> 1:45:30.360 you could walk into a gallery and be like, bro, 1:45:30.840 --> 1:45:33.240 my two year old could draw this. We don't fully 1:45:33.360 --> 1:45:37.160 understand the fucking point and this and that whatever music 1:45:37.400 --> 1:45:40.960 is for everybody to just listen to, it can't be 1:45:41.080 --> 1:45:44.760 critiqued at the same snob level that someone like Ebro, 1:45:44.960 --> 1:45:47.080 myself or anyone else in this room feels it should be. 1:45:47.520 --> 1:45:51.080 It's for the average consumer. It's not for the snob. 1:45:51.960 --> 1:45:55.000 If you want that, then fucking go watch Whiplash and 1:45:55.120 --> 1:45:58.680 go shit on Timothy Chalamagne and say opera is the 1:45:58.720 --> 1:46:00.519 greatest thing of all time. I don't know be a snob. 1:46:00.560 --> 1:46:03.200 Where snobs are. Hip hop is the biggest genre in 1:46:03.240 --> 1:46:06.320 the world. It's not for snobs anymore. You can't ship 1:46:06.439 --> 1:46:08.160 on the consumer if you want to keep the ship moving. 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:09.840 If we all still want to have jobs, we can't 1:46:09.840 --> 1:46:13.840 have snobs. Well, I mean, yam bars, listen, we wrapped 1:46:14.000 --> 1:46:14.960 all seasons, man. 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:16.960 We all consumers at the end of the day. So, 1:46:17.160 --> 1:46:19.400 I mean, I get it. Some people can speak matter 1:46:19.439 --> 1:46:22.680 of fact, some can't. But I look at it. 1:46:22.720 --> 1:46:25.400 It's all entertaining. Even if you say some crazy shit 1:46:25.439 --> 1:46:28.240 and I want to laugh, I gotta laugh out of it. Look, 1:46:28.280 --> 1:46:30.200 it's like a cool I'm not gonna lose no sleep, 1:46:30.240 --> 1:46:32.439 I'm not gonna get upset. It's like that's how you feel, 1:46:33.120 --> 1:46:35.479 that's how you feel to We want to thank you 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:37.280 for coming back, man, thank you, thank you guys for 1:46:37.320 --> 1:46:39.040 having to come back soon. Man, so we could talk 1:46:39.080 --> 1:46:41.479 some more. Chance perfect, Hopefully I get a chance to 1:46:41.520 --> 1:46:42.960 hug the matter. That's the only reason I came in 1:46:45.320 --> 1:46:47.720 hugging hours off from twelve to I think five, so 1:46:47.800 --> 1:46:50.120 you might have just just call it, just caught it. 1:46:50.200 --> 1:46:53.200 Yeah, she goes in an overtime. It's double for the 1:46:53.600 --> 1:46:56.280 After that time, we'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe, 1:46:56.360 --> 1:46:56.799 be blessed. 1:46:56.840 --> 1:46:58.840 I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's told Ray 1:47:00.760 --> 1:47:02.280 No worran now