1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong, Joe Caddy arm. 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: Strong and Jetty and now he Armstrong and Catty Strong 4 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 2: and who we used to call. 5 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: Craig the Obamacare Lawyer back when we were trying to 6 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 3: work our way through what the hell Obamacare was or is, 7 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 3: which continues to be the law of the land, right Craig, Welcome, 8 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 3: Craig Gottwaals. Obamacare is. It's just just became status quo 9 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 3: as we all predicted it would be, and all of 10 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 3: our deductibles went way, way, way, way up, and we 11 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: all just accepted that that's the way they're going to 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 3: be for the rest of our lives. 13 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: So that's why that turned out. 14 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 3: Hey, I do have a quick health related thing for 15 00:00:57,080 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 3: you before we get into some other stuff that you 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 3: and I were or texting about last night. 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: I got a friend. 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 3: Who's got a pretty bad health diagnosis, and I suggested, man, 19 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 3: you ought to get a second opinion. But people throw 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 3: around the whole get a second opinion like it's easy 21 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: to do. I've never actually done it. How do you 22 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 3: even go about doing that? Does your insurance like you 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: do that, what do you do? Do you go to 24 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 3: a completely different doctor group or what is that? 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 2: What is the second opinion? 26 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 4: Yeah, some of that's going to depend on what kind 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 4: of plan you're on, whether it's a PPO or an 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: HMO or like what we call an open access plan. 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 2: But what do most people have to do? Let's start there. 30 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 2: What do most people have? Who have people in. 31 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,119 Speaker 3: A company healthcare some form of a PPO. Okay, yeah, 32 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 3: that's what I thought. Most of us have have PPO. 33 00:01:46,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: So if we have a PPO, how do we get 34 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 3: a second opinion? 35 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, the easiest way to get a second opinion in 36 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 4: that case would be to pick a different primary care 37 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 4: doctor in a different medical group and just go through 38 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 4: the process again. 39 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 2: Because if you stay with and go through the. 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: Whole process again, go through the whole process again, while 41 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: you're probably not feeling very good, maybe feeling terrible. 42 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's at that point. So it's going to come 43 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 4: down to how much you trust your doctor and the 44 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: medical group, because if you stay within the same medical group, 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 4: they're going to have a pretty strong bias to confirm 46 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 4: what's already been done. 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 2: Well, that exactly that's what I want a second. 48 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's two things wrong with several things wrong with that, 49 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 3: and it's a tell me, it's not a common phrase, 50 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: Well you should get a second opinion. People throw that 51 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 3: around all the time like it's an easy thing to do. 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 3: But so I'd have to go through the whole process. 53 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: Am I am? 54 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: I kind of like half firing my primary doctor I've 55 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: had maybe for years, I'm probably friends with at this point. 56 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: How offended is he or she going to be? Well? 57 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 4: Most plans will have a mechanism in there for a 58 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 4: second opinion so that it's not so that you're not 59 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: now if it's an HMO, which a lot of people 60 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 4: are on in larger cities, that kind of are firing 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 4: that doctor because you'd pick a different primary care doctor 62 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 4: come back to them in a future month. But most 63 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 4: PPOs will have a mechanism you can do it. The 64 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 4: other way to do it, if you have a little 65 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 4: bit of means at all, is to go out into 66 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 4: the market and find a direct primary care doctor somebody 67 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 4: who's left the system and sees you for like one 68 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 4: hundred or one hundred and twenty five dollars a month fee. 69 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 4: That way, you can keep doing what you're doing with 70 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 4: your system doctor on your planet work, for example, But 71 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 4: then you can spend a couple hundred dollars and go 72 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 4: off to the side and see one of these direct 73 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: primary care doctors who's left the system and will then 74 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 4: give you a truly independent analysis that if you have 75 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 4: some means at all, that's what I would recommend. 76 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little frustrating. 77 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 3: I mean, they don't offer that up to you, certainly 78 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 3: after they give you a diagnosis. And the one thing 79 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: I learned, and I tell people all this time, the 80 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: main thing I learned from when I had cancer is 81 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 3: there's a lot of guessing. There's way more guessing than 82 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: I ever believed was the case. And you can talk 83 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: to a couple of different people and they have completely 84 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 3: different opinions. So well, not just cancer, I mean all 85 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: these complicated I mean, sure, if we just start looking 86 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: at autoimmune diseases and then the way these the new 87 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 3: the new drugs are affecting that, it's it's, you know, 88 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 3: because of what I do. I have a lot of 89 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: good friendships with doctors, and it's shocking how you can 90 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: talk to two very well respected doctors that have been 91 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: doing this for decades and they'll have incredibly different opinions 92 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 3: on how you should treat X, Y or Z, especially 93 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 3: when we get to like autoimmune or even cancer YEP. 94 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: I have that execsis situation with my son where they 95 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: I have two PhD level, been around forever people with 96 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 3: almost one hundred and eighty degree apart opinions, and what 97 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: am I supposed to do with that information? 98 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 2: Anyway? 99 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: That's enough of that health stuff for now, So this 100 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 3: is interesting. So we talked to I Know your Friends 101 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 3: with Tim Sanderfer. We had Tim the Lawyer on Last Hour, 102 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,679 Speaker 3: and we were talking about AI and all the different 103 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: sort of stuff. And I'm fascinated by AI, and I 104 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,719 Speaker 3: read lots of books and listen to a lot of 105 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 3: podcasts because I think it's I think it's going to 106 00:04:58,440 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: be a really big deal. I don't know if it's 107 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 3: good to be as big as fire, like the guy 108 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 3: from Google says to mankind the invention of fire. But 109 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: I mean, if if it's half that, it would be 110 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 3: shockingly huge. A lot of people are worried about AI 111 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: taken so many jobs. We're gonna have to come up 112 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,119 Speaker 3: with some sort of guaranteed income thing to pay people 113 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: to stay home and play the flute because there just aren't. 114 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 2: Going to be enough jobs. AI is going to take 115 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 2: it over. 116 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 3: Tim says, this is going to be like every other 117 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 3: technology that's come along. It's going to develop all kinds 118 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 3: of new jobs that you've never even thought of yet. 119 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 3: It'll take care of itself. The cotton gin didn't eliminate 120 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: all farm workers. It started all kinds of other different 121 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: things and you end up with more jobs. Where are 122 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 3: you on that question? Because Tim Tim Tim thinks now 123 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 3: that he's not worried about it. 124 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 2: I am. I think it's going to destroy the entire world. 125 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 2: Go ahead. I fall much closer to Tim. I hope 126 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: you're both right. 127 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 4: I'm using it. I'm using it every day at work. 128 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: In fact, everybody in my office is. We're using it regularly. 129 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 4: And what it's done is it's allowed me to just 130 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 4: become so much more efficient with not wasting a lot 131 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 4: of time on some of the more menial tasks that 132 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 4: I don't want to have to burn time on. 133 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 2: I can use. 134 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 4: AI to standardize and templatize a lot of the things 135 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 4: that I'm doing quickly. I'll give you an example, Jack, 136 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 4: because you know I'm a lawyer and I'm reviewing healthcare contracts. 137 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,200 Speaker 4: Just recently, I took six different Pharmacy Benefit Manager PBM contracts. 138 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 4: So it's the part of your health plan that deals 139 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 4: with all the drugs. Six different contracts. All of them 140 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 4: were between fifty and one hundred pages. I uploaded all 141 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 4: of them into chat GPT, I said, and then I 142 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 4: gave it like a whole page of instruction on what 143 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 4: I wanted. I wanted to compare and contrast this. I 144 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 4: wanted to know the weaknesses and strengths. I wanted to 145 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 4: know where I could find a B and C and 146 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 4: D in each contract, and I wanted it to put 147 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 4: it all in a grid for me. 148 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: So it did. 149 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 4: Within like ten minutes, I had this unbelievable chart that 150 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 4: it spit back to me, where then I could go 151 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 4: back and just hit the highlights of the contracts in 152 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 4: my review. Now, where that would be devastating is if 153 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 4: you had zero idea what you were doing, if you 154 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 4: weren't a healthcare attorney, for example, and you didn't know 155 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 4: where it was wrong. Because it's wrong, as you guys 156 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 4: have reported, it's wrong a good clip of the time. 157 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 4: It'll make things up or it'll have something totally off. 158 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 4: But when you're already an expert in an area to 159 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 4: take care. I mean, it saved me four hours doing 160 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 4: what it did, and then I could just spend one 161 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: hour fine tuning it and making it exactly what I 162 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 4: needed to see from my clients. 163 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 3: But you do have the problems of hallucinations or whatever. 164 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 3: It just makes stuff up. Now that absolutely, Yeah, you 165 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 3: have to watch it. 166 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 4: What I tell my coworkers is when it tells you 167 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 4: something that you think is just maybe not quite right, 168 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 4: you have to tell it give me a source for that, 169 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 4: and then you have to hit that source and you 170 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 4: have to go look at it because it will get 171 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 4: things completely wrong. I've read the stats that say fifty 172 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 4: percent of the time. I think that's too high, but 173 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 4: I see it getting things wrong twenty percent of the 174 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 4: time anyway. 175 00:07:51,400 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: Really, Okay, that's interesting. 176 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well it sends you to a link that doesn't exist, 177 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 4: or it just says something that's not right. 178 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: Okay, So I asked a lot of questions that I 179 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 3: have no expertise in, and so it could maybe it's 180 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: lied to me way more often than I realize. And 181 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 3: then I probably repeated on the radio. But I'm I'm 182 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: I've mentioned this a thousand times. I'm reading the book 183 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: Ulysses by James Joyce. I'm trying to fight my way 184 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: through that book. And I've been using chat GBT when 185 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: I get stuck on something. But I had one the 186 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: other day where it was just I knew it was 187 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 3: completely wrong, like just as wrong as wrong could be, 188 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 3: And I wonder how often that happens. I asked a question 189 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 3: yesterday about taking zinc when you got a cold, and 190 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: the information it spit out for me for different ages 191 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 3: and different studies and stuff like that, as far as 192 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: I know, was absolutely fascinating and so fast. 193 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 2: So which you mentioned chat GPT several times. 194 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: There's a whole bunch of AI apps or programs or 195 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: whatever you can call them chatbots out there. 196 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 2: How many of them are you using? 197 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm using I'm using an upgraded version of 198 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: chat GPT that I've paid for and I've trained with 199 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 4: a lot of what I do for healthcare law. 200 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: Do you think the paid for one is Do you 201 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 3: think the paid one paid for one is worth it 202 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 3: for the average person or only if you have an 203 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 3: expertise in something. 204 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: I think if you're using it for work, the paid 205 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 4: for one is worth it. I mean if you're just 206 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 4: using it for for fun and for social you know, 207 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 4: I don't think you need to pay for it, but 208 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 4: I lean on it pretty heavily at times and chat. 209 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 4: GPT seems to be the best one for like legal 210 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 4: analysis and writing and writing templates when I have to 211 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 4: when I start working with Excel spreadsheets, for example, when 212 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: I want to compare large Excel spreadsheets and I want 213 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: to I want to have AI shortcut some of that 214 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 4: for me, I find that Gemini Google's seems to be 215 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 4: the best one for me in that lane. And then 216 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 4: the other thing that we use a lot at work 217 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 4: because we do a lot of presentations for clients and 218 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 4: a lot of visual stuff. Will use mid Journey to 219 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 4: create art and imagery, which is I think the industry 220 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,079 Speaker 4: leader easily for you know, creating those pictures in those 221 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:50,559 Speaker 4: and those slides that are. 222 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 3: Oh so if you want to do it in really 223 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: you want to do images and stuff, you like mid Journey, 224 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: which I'd never even heard of. 225 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: Mid Journey. 226 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, mid Journey is amazing. And I actually learned that 227 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: an artist friend of mine in the Bay Area who said, 228 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 4: that's the only one artists you're using is mid Journey. 229 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: Jar that, Katie, because I know you do a lot 230 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 3: of that. That's a good one. Mid Journey is And 231 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: is that just something like I can put on my 232 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: phone getting that. 233 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a weblink or there's probably an app, 234 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 4: but I just I just hit it on a on 235 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 4: a on a web page browser. And I actually do 236 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 4: pay for the upgraded version of that one as well, 237 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:23,119 Speaker 4: because we hit it a lot for creating. You know, 238 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 4: you see a presentation at your job, right and you 239 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,199 Speaker 4: get so sick of seeing the same clip art over 240 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 4: and over. Well, we'll just use mid Journey to create 241 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 4: unique art. 242 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: That way. 243 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 4: I know that when I'm giving a presentation to a client, 244 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 4: they've never seen this imagery before. It's not you know, 245 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 4: some stock imagery, but that Journey. We hit it, but 246 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 4: use a free version of it as well. 247 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: Mid Journey. 248 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 3: I'm looking for it, Okay, I haven't missed around Google Gemini. 249 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: I need to do that, just because I know they're 250 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 3: pouring so many billions of dollars into that sort of thing. 251 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: Because there's a big belief among Eli and uh Eli, 252 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 3: Elon and Google and you know a couple of different 253 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 3: people that whoever emerges as the leader there's trillions of 254 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: dollars involved in that, and it's worth trying to be 255 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: the best. So I need to figure out what Gemini 256 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 3: is up to. 257 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 5: Arm Strong, The Armstrong and Getty Show, seventy point five 258 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 5: hot dogs and buns in ten minutes. The Nathan's Famous 259 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 5: Fourth of July Champion of the. 260 00:11:30,920 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 6: World, Joey Chestna, how do you feel? 261 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: I was excited. I love being here, man, I wish 262 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: I ate a couple more. I'm sorry, guys, I'll be 263 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: back next year. 264 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 3: That's greatness. That is the voice of greatness. Joey chest 265 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 3: Sweat Eat seventy and a half dogs. I considered going. 266 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 3: So we were in Manhattan and the boys for vacation, 267 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: and we watch every Fourth of July since they were little. 268 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 3: We watched the hot dog eating contest on ESPN two, 269 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 3: and it's kind of a family tradition to watch that. 270 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 3: And yeah, and I was right there and could have gone, 271 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: but I thought I just did the crowds and fighting 272 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: and there and the hot sun, so I didn't go. 273 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: But maybe I missed out in a lifetime memory right 274 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: there by not watching a guy shove as many hot 275 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: dogs in his mouth as he possibly could in a 276 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 3: short amount of time. 277 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 7: I think that is one that well, he absolutely did 278 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 7: you did you passed on dream memory for your kids. 279 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 7: On the other hand, it's the sort of idea that 280 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 7: seems like a great one. Then you think about how 281 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 7: long is it going to take us to get to 282 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 7: Coney Island, right. 283 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 3: And then you know the basically a day to two 284 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 3: thirds of a day of vacation do I want to 285 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 3: spend that's kind of slow jam hot dogs into their 286 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 3: maws for five minutes. 287 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 2: AnyWho. 288 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 3: We just did a story about a woman that was 289 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 3: attacked by a homeless person in California. My only reaction 290 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: to that story is yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't 291 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,319 Speaker 3: like the term homeless person, and I don't blame you. 292 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 3: We need a quick, short term for these people. Crazy person. 293 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 3: I'm fine with crazy person. 294 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 2: Or I don't know. 295 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 3: That's not accurate either, because it's not all mental illness. 296 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: It's way more drug crazies than anything else. 297 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 7: That's why I like the term vagrant because it kind 298 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,960 Speaker 7: of lumps everybody. It covers everybody. I like a transient 299 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 7: drug addict, but it's a little cumbersome, and maybe some 300 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 7: of these people aren't drug addicts. 301 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 3: Although the vast majority are. But the reason I'm on 302 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 3: a jehot about this is if you make the fundamental 303 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 3: focus of describing that person their lack of a permanent address, 304 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 3: then people think, well, that's that's really unfortunate. They don't 305 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 3: have a home, and we need to solve that problem. No, 306 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: the problem is there a drug addict. Yeah, more a vagrant, 307 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 3: Which is kind of hints at the reason I wanted 308 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: to bring it up in conjunction with being in New 309 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 3: York City is I saw I see every single day 310 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 3: in the college town I live in more drug crazy 311 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 3: vagrant street people that frightened me every day than I 312 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 3: saw in Manhattan walking around for three days. That shouldn't 313 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: be Yeah, that's nuts. On its own, there aren't none 314 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: in New York. But what I mean, if you're from California, 315 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 3: from a big city in California, or even a small 316 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: city as I just said, it is refreshingly bum free 317 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 3: to be in New York and. 318 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 2: It shouldn't be that way. 319 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 3: Maybe if you're from I don't know, Omaha and you 320 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: go to New York, you can think, oh my god, 321 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 3: there's scary street people around. But for us, it was like, wow, 322 00:14:29,480 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 3: it's so nice to be able to walk the streets 323 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 3: without every ten feet you're wondering if this person's gonna 324 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 3: stab me in the eye with a broken bottle. Yeah, 325 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: it has been useful as a bicoastal American to observe 326 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 3: the differences in outcomes directly tied to policies. I mean, 327 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 3: it's not mysterious, it's not difficult to understand. 328 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: If you make it. 329 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: As easy and comfortable as possible to be a jobless 330 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: drug addict, you will have more jobless drug ada. Do 331 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 3: you think that's doing those people of favor on any level? 332 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 3: I would argue strenuously as not. 333 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: It's the opposite. The one thing I did see in 334 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: New York that bothered me a lot. 335 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 3: On the fourth of July, we were standing in the 336 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 3: spot where George Washington took his first oath of office 337 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: as the capital of our fine country was in New 338 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 3: York City. 339 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 2: Right there. 340 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 3: It's a big, old, cool federal building basically across from 341 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: the New York Stock Exchange in Wall Street. It's still there, 342 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 3: and they've got a big cement platform that they've taken 343 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 3: out of the ground and it is now standing up 344 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: with an inscription on it and that's where George Washington 345 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: stood to take the first oath, which obviously is a 346 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 3: very very big deal for the world, not just for 347 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 3: the United States. But so, while we were bumping around 348 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 3: the southern tip of Manhattan on the fourth of July 349 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 3: and went over to see the Statue of Liberty and 350 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 3: a variety of different things, so many of the artifact 351 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 3: of our history of freedom of independence. We're surrounded by 352 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: barriers because there is so concerned about protests, and I thought, so, 353 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 3: this is the way we handle it. We handle it 354 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 3: on the end of the deal of the protests by 355 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 3: putting a barrier around the statue so I can't look 356 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 3: at it to protect it from the protesters, as opposed 357 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: to what we're always advocating, arrest these people and make 358 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: it so miserable to get arrested for defacing you know, 359 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: a statue like this, that you don't do it where 360 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 3: we're catching it on. 361 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: The wrong end. 362 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: You need to catch it on the front end, so 363 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 3: people aren't motivated to do it right now. People know 364 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 3: they can get away with spray painting this statue of 365 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 3: whichever founding father, so. 366 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 2: They have to cover it with all kinds of barricades. 367 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: And tape it stuff like that, you can't even see 368 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: it as a tourist. 369 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 7: And if you just talked out some of these things 370 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 7: that we do that are so nuts, these dacing if 371 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 7: you were to describe, all right, we have a variety 372 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 7: of ways we're proposing to deal with the fact that 373 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 7: angry protesters who've been miseducated and indoctrinated in our government 374 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 7: schools want to tear down the artifacts of our founding. 375 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 7: Here is one plan, and I would spell it out, 376 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 7: and that includes covering up the monuments and statues so 377 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 7: no one can see them. That would be roundly rejected. 378 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 7: People will say, I don't care what else is in 379 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 7: your stupid plan. 380 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 3: You're missing the whole freaking point of having this statue. 381 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 2: What's your next plan? 382 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 3: And yet that idiotic plan is the one we've gone with. 383 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 2: Come on, America, we can do better than this. 384 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show or Jack or Shoe podcasts 385 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: and our hot links. 386 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 5: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty, The Armstrong and Getty. 387 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: Show, thank you. 388 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 8: And in this nationwide war over redistricting, we've seen the 389 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 8: two biggest states go first, the biggest red state, Texas. 390 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 8: You mentioned those five inditional seats. Yeah, and there's not 391 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 8: a lot of blue. They're squeezing that big time. Now, 392 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 8: what we're seeing the opposite in California where the Democrats 393 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 8: under Gavin Newsom are putting a map on the ballot 394 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 8: for voters this fault that could get them those five 395 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 8: seats back. So that would make sure only four Republican 396 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 8: seats forty eight for the Democrats. 397 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 9: So we're standing up. This is not about parties. It's 398 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 9: not about you know, redistricting lines. It's about holding the line. 399 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 9: It's about protecting all of us, regardless of political party. 400 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: It's about power at the end of the day, is 401 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: it okay? 402 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: So the math on that there are fifty two congressional 403 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: seats in California. If Gavin gets his way, four of 404 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 3: those will be Republican. So even though about thirty eight 405 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 3: percent of Californian's voted Republican last time around, they would 406 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 3: only have. 407 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 2: Seven percent of the seats. So nearly forty. 408 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 3: Of the people who vote in California vote Republican, but 409 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: only seven percent of the representation in the House. 410 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: Well that sounds fair. 411 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,320 Speaker 3: Whatever, we welcome back to the Armstrong and get to 412 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 3: show our old friend Gary Dietrie, how are you, Gary. 413 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 6: Hey, Jack, good to be with you. And one thing 414 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 6: we now for sure, this scientific study has come out, 415 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 6: Joe Jack. There's been now more citations of redistricting in 416 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:26,800 Speaker 6: the last thirty days than in all of human history. 417 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 3: By no kidding, no kidding. Not a hot topic, usually 418 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 3: says here. You are a CBS News political analyst. Now, congratulations, Well, thank. 419 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 6: You, my friend. Yeah, you know, I've been based in 420 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 6: the state capitol, California for some time. But you know, 421 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 6: as things continue to grow and all the rest of 422 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 6: the good stuff, you know, and I think they guess 423 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 6: that make sense to them. I'm now doing national TV 424 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 6: and radio for CBS as well. 425 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 426 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 3: Of course, the reason we have you on today is 427 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 3: to talk about the backlash against the cracker barrel remodels. 428 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 2: Everybody very angry. 429 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 6: You know. I got to tell you that's so funny 430 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,719 Speaker 6: you mentioned this. I was thinking over the weekend. I 431 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 6: have never in my lifetime seen a car brand flip 432 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 6: politically in six months, a beer brand, a beer brand 433 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,160 Speaker 6: flip politically in thirty days, and a beloved pancake house 434 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 6: and I don't know, fried chicken. Whatever you do the 435 00:20:16,760 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 6: same thing in about two hours. 436 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: It's unbelievable, it really is. That's a very good point. 437 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: We'll have to discuss that later. You got to really watch. 438 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 3: Your uh, your pr currently is a big company. But anyway, 439 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 3: we're going to talk to you about redistricting, among other things. 440 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: First of all, what's the likelihood that this passes? Have 441 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,120 Speaker 3: you seen any polling on this in California? 442 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, in California. Here's the problem for Democrats that when 443 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 6: the polling was done a couple of weeks ago, just 444 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 6: on the concept would you like the independent Citizens Commission 445 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 6: or do you want it to go the power to 446 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 6: go back to the legislature. Jack, This is quite remarkable 447 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 6: to me. Actually two thirds of voters said, now, we don't. 448 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 6: We don't want to go back to the legislature's control. 449 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 6: We wanted to stay in the hands. And that, by 450 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 6: the way, wasn't just led by humplicins and a large 451 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 6: percentage almost twenty percent independency in California, but a vast majority, 452 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 6: almost sixty percent of Democrats said that. So that's a 453 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 6: big headwind. Now when you start talking about this measure 454 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 6: in specifics, people are just beginning to get pulled on it. 455 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 6: But right now, the most recent numbers I saw, Jack 456 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 6: had about forty eight percent in support of it. There's 457 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 6: a general rule of thumb in California about pompositions. If 458 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 6: you don't start your campaign with over fifty percent of 459 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,879 Speaker 6: the support, you've got a big, big road to hope. 460 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: Oh interesting, Well that that is, uh, that's good to 461 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 3: know going forward with this, not to read it. We 462 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 3: just had Congressman Tom McClintock on and he kind of 463 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:43,439 Speaker 3: went through the history of jerrymandering, although he is the 464 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 3: correct pronunciation of Gary mandering. 465 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 6: But yeah, I wanted to know I had nothing to 466 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 6: do with that, though it's a different spelling Gary than 467 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 6: me his that's ge r wise. So I did not 468 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 6: have anything to do with the start of Gary mandarin. 469 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 6: I want you guys to. 470 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 3: Know, gotcha. But so we all go through the history 471 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 3: of that again. But liked, people have been jerry mandering 472 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 3: since the country starting. There's lots of blue states as 473 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 3: that are all jerry mandered the heck as we all know. 474 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:07,920 Speaker 2: And now it's just. 475 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 3: But isn't Gavin's main goal if this gets shot down? 476 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 3: Doesn't he want just to be the face of the 477 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: resistance isn't that his main goal? 478 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 6: Well, you know, you know, I never tried to get 479 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 6: inside a politician, ed. But if you look at the 480 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 6: sort of factual evidence of that in the last twelve 481 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 6: to eighteen months, Jack, you. 482 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: Know very well. 483 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 6: I mean he's been in red states all over the country, 484 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 6: raised ten million dollars in a pack to do that, 485 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 6: took up billboards in Florida and Texas, famously debated the 486 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 6: governor of Florida on the Sean Hannity Show of all things. 487 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 6: I mean, he's you know, had it own podcast, you know, 488 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 6: the story with Bannon on it and Charlie Kirk. I mean, 489 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 6: he's been he's been auditioning for the White House here 490 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 6: officially unofficially for last year plus. 491 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: How do you like his chances? 492 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: Oh? 493 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 6: In twenty eight? 494 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? 495 00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 6: Well, well here's the deal. We have some recent numbers. 496 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 6: This is really interesting. In California, his own home state, 497 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 6: he has now surged a head of Kamala Harris as 498 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 6: California Democrats twenty eight choice. 499 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 2: Hold Kamala Harris. 500 00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 3: I can't believe anybody's even talking about her. 501 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 6: Still, good lord, Well, I'm just telling you the numbers. Okay, 502 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 6: and California Democrats. California Democrats had her in the lead 503 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 6: as their choice, and then just in the last thirty 504 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 6: days Gavin surged ahead. Now nationally, there hasn't been a 505 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 6: lot of good national polling on this in the last 506 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 6: couple weeks. But what's interesting, Jack, is the movement on 507 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 6: the so called odds. Okay, Now, why are odds? Why 508 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: would people care about that over polling? Because odds take 509 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 6: in it and these are being watched by the way, 510 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 6: very carefully and reliably by many political sources in the 511 00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 6: US these days. Why because polling is one measurement, right, 512 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 6: if there's snapshot in time, it takes time to get 513 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 6: a poll out in the field and then you get 514 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 6: it back. Odds take into account other things, what a 515 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 6: recent news cycle there, et cetera, et cetera. What does 516 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 6: fundraising look like? And Gavin Newsom has moved into the 517 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 6: lead nationally in the odds for the twenty eight race 518 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,880 Speaker 6: of the Democratic nomination. 519 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, and that was his goal. He wants 520 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:14,880 Speaker 2: to be. 521 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 3: As close to as a presumptive as he can possibly 522 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 3: get heading into the whole thing. 523 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: Obviously, and again. 524 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 3: The Democratic Party doesn't have a face, they don't have 525 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: a person that is like the go to resistance to 526 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,680 Speaker 3: Trump and everything Trump and everything that's evil and Republican, 527 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 3: and he wants to be that and he's making some 528 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 3: pretty good progress on that. But so are you still 529 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 3: now you're working for CBS. How long we've been doing 530 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 3: this together? 531 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 2: Gary? Twenty years? Twenty five years? 532 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 6: Okay, let me remind you. I'll ask you the question, Karris. 533 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 6: Somebody asked me this Siver the weekend about you guys. 534 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 6: When did you start your local show and Sacrament of 535 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 6: us now ballooned into a galactic, you know, superstar radio program. Well, 536 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 6: what did you guys start? 537 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,720 Speaker 2: Michael's usually on top of this. 538 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 3: So our anniversary is like in a week whole days actually, 539 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 3: and that will be twenty eight years, twenty seven years, 540 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 3: something like twenty seven twenty seven years. 541 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 6: Oh my gosh. Now you're making me feel really old. 542 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: You know why that great? As you are really old 543 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 2: and so am I. 544 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 6: Oh geez, come on, man, I I started with you 545 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 6: guys the first year you were on air locally in 546 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 6: the state capitol of Plipia. 547 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 3: Lord, we've been talking to each other for almost three decades. 548 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 2: What are we doing? 549 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 550 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 6: Stop? Okay, that's the end of that forgets, Let's do. 551 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 2: Something else with our lives. 552 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 3: Okay, So anyway, but since you're on right now for 553 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:37,120 Speaker 3: the last time, so you've always been staunchly non partisan. 554 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 3: That's always been your thing, and I love that. That's 555 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 3: one of the reasons we always liked having you on. 556 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 3: You're really into just trying to relay the facts. I 557 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 3: assume you're still doing that for CBS. 558 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 6: Absolutely. That's that is a great question because people say, 559 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 6: because remember this really blows people's minds. Prior to my 560 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 6: contract with CBS were started in what twenty eighteen or something, 561 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 6: so that was what seven years ago. I was with 562 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 6: our local Fox affiliate, Fox forty and Zacha Meto. So 563 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 6: you know, people say, did you flip loyalties? No, I've 564 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 6: always been the same, Gary Detrich, you know how it is, Jack, 565 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 6: Just like you said, I call them like I see him. 566 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 6: I feel like that's very very important role. That's why 567 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,479 Speaker 6: they have me on. Nobody scripts me, nobody tells me 568 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 6: what bent to take. I guarantee you that. 569 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 2: Well, so this is an opinion question. 570 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: So I don't know how you want to handle that, 571 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: but I, Joe and I take in a lot of 572 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 3: national media and podcasts and all that sort of stuff. 573 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 2: Of course we do for our line work. 574 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 3: I feel like people pundits in the rest of the 575 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 3: country have a way higher opinion of Gavin Newsom's talents 576 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 3: than people who have known him longer in California. Well, 577 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 3: first of all, would you agree with that about Well, I. 578 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 6: Do think that that is how should we call it 579 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 6: a bias that happens with Jack Literally almost every governor, right, 580 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 6: almost every governor this happens. You could and Republicans and 581 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 6: Democrat You can go down the list. You go way 582 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 6: back to Mike Ducacas in Massachusetts and the Massachusetts Miracle. 583 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 6: And when I went to you know, I won't mention 584 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 6: the name of the school because you guys have to 585 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 6: make fun of my grad school. 586 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: Gary went to Harvard. He went to Harvard is the 587 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 3: John F. Kennedy School of Government. 588 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: We all know. Glad we mentioned that one telling you 589 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 2: this for thirty years. Go ahead, Gary, Okay, I'm hoping 590 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: people forget. 591 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 6: The reason I mentioned that is when I was in 592 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,439 Speaker 6: when I was in Massachusetts, people would say, what is 593 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 6: this fascination with our governor outside of our state? There's 594 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 6: this wrong, this wrong, this wrong that happens all the time. 595 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't remember, you know, Rick Perry coming out 596 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 3: of Texas or whoever it is. They the local people 597 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 3: often say, I don't know if he's as good as. 598 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: You think he is. 599 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 3: But then sometimes you get a Clinton or a Bush 600 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: who perform, you know, at that high level. But so, 601 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 3: where do you think Gavin Newsom is currently as a 602 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:50,160 Speaker 3: political athlete. 603 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 6: Well, I certainly think that you know, you're onto the 604 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 6: trend line right now, which is the Democratic base has 605 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:02,160 Speaker 6: been desperately seeking a true networds fighter quote unquote. They 606 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 6: want somebody to take on, as they call him, quote unquote, 607 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 6: the bully in the White House, and Gavin has filled 608 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 6: that role. Now. Interestingly, there's been a huge transformation, as 609 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 6: you know, Jack, in the last eight months, because when 610 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 6: the President showed up on the tarmac of La International 611 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 6: Airport right after the fires down south, you know, Gavin 612 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 6: wanted to make nice and he needs forty billion dollars, 613 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 6: they say, to rebuild La et cetera, et cetera. But 614 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 6: things terms sellar quickly, as you know, They've gone from 615 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 6: bad to worse, and I think Gavin is essentially given 616 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 6: up on trying to root Trump in the White House 617 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 6: and now it's full on I'm going to be the 618 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:36,719 Speaker 6: face of the opposition. 619 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: I don't blame him, but man, these early projections. Trump 620 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: has only been president for what nine months? And to 621 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 3: talk about twenty eight that is out there. Hillary Clinton 622 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 3: seemed like a lock for the nomination in two thousand 623 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 3: and eight. I remember when Rudy Giuliani seemed like who 624 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 3: could possibly beat him? You know, We've seen this so 625 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 3: many times. There's lots of names that I've never even 626 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 3: heard of. You've net, You've probably heard of them, but 627 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: that I've never even heard of that could emerge in 628 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 3: the next couple of years. 629 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 6: Correct, Oh yeah, I mean, look, a month is a 630 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 6: long time in politics. I mean, nobody's even talking about 631 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 6: a resisting special election on November fourth in California thirty 632 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 6: days ago. Now it's the reality. 633 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 2: Good point. 634 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 6: So the point is, Jack, we have a long wrong 635 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 6: ways to go. But if you look at the national 636 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 6: odds maker Slash polling right now just for who's going 637 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 6: to win twenty eight and this is so far out 638 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 6: as ridiculous, but jd Vance is the leader, followed about 639 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 6: ten points behind, maybe more than that, twelve points by now, 640 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 6: Gavin Newsom and then the list goes down from there, 641 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 6: so still Vance and of course he's no lock for 642 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 6: his own nomination. Then we're a long ways away from 643 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 6: twenty eight. 644 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 3: Although Elon's saying he might throw one hundred to two 645 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 3: hundred million dollars behind Vance is certainly a big deal. 646 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 6: Well, you know what, he's got those kind of checks. 647 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 6: He could decide he wants tomorrow to put in fifty 648 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 6: cents and the next week it might be five hundred million. Yeah, 649 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 6: but you know that proved, as you know, to be 650 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 6: significant last time around. I mean, the battle for twenty 651 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 6: eight it's going to make it really interesting, Jack, is 652 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 6: that it's wide open. There won't be an incumbent on 653 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 6: either side. And yes you have a sitting vice president, 654 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 6: but that's a real mixed bagger results for sitting vice 655 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 6: presidents over the years. 656 00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: Gary Dietrich's CBS News political analyst. Let's do it for 657 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: thirty more years, Gary. 658 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 6: Well, how about it we sell with thirty days and 659 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 6: go from there. 660 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: All right, talk to you soon, okay, buddy. It's the 661 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,000 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Geddy Show. 662 00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 6: Armstrong and Jetty arm Strong. 663 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 2: And Conscience of the Nation. 664 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 6: Armstrong. 665 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: Hey, Yeeddy. 666 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 5: Thee Armstrong and Getty Show. 667 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 3: So my thirteen year old and it matters what his ages. 668 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: Apparently wanted to open a checking account at the bank 669 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 3: or an account at the bank because he's got enough 670 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 3: money built up from allowances and birthdays and Christmases, and 671 00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: he doesn't spend his money like his brother does. He 672 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: saves it because he wants to be able to put 673 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 3: it toward a car someday and that. 674 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 2: Sort of thing. So he's got a decent sized. 675 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,960 Speaker 3: Chunk of money added up over the years, and he'd 676 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 3: been keeping it in a shoe box, and so he's 677 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 3: going to oput an account. And I remember when I 678 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 3: opened an account when I was probably about his age. 679 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 3: I started mowing lawns when I was twelve thirteen and 680 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: accumulating money and opening a bank account. On the way 681 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 3: to the bank, I did say to him, I said, 682 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 3: you know, I haven't I haven't been around the idea 683 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 3: of opening an account for a bank in forty years 684 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 3: something like that. So I don't know if the rules 685 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 3: have changed, but so in case something happens, but anyway, 686 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 3: we should we get it there sure enough. And so 687 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 3: we're trying to open this account and everything like that. 688 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 3: And first of all, many banks everything is I don't 689 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 3: know if it's because the government comes down on them 690 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 3: so hard or something like that. They treat everybody like 691 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 3: you're a want to be terrorists, Like everything you do 692 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 3: it's like jeez, lighting up. But anyway, he needs to 693 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 3: have two forms of ID. Is where we ran into 694 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 3: the roadblock. I said, what is a form of ID 695 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 3: for a thirteen year old? He said, and they said, well, 696 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 3: your Social Security card is birth certificate? 697 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 2: Okay, great? 698 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 3: So uh, I said, the fact that I'm his dad 699 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,959 Speaker 3: isn't good enough. I can't vouch for the fact that 700 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 3: he's my son. And I have an account here and 701 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: have had for twenty five years and open an account 702 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 3: for him. 703 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: I can't do that. 704 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 3: And no, we need to. And I said, is that 705 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 3: a bank policy or the state law or what is that? 706 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 3: Because I was thinking, if it's a bank policy, I'll 707 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: go to a different bank. But uh, it's a federal law. 708 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 3: It's part of the patriotch I said, oh, cool, of course, 709 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 3: And he said, well it's a federal I said, you 710 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 3: don't need to explain the federal government to me. And 711 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 3: I hate the federal government. I said, and then the 712 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 3: guy looked at me like I was Oh. He got 713 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 3: wide eyed, like, oh, you're one of those people. You're 714 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 3: Timothy McVeigh, You're you're you're one of those people. Yeah, 715 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,200 Speaker 3: clearly I've heard about them. I said, I hate the 716 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 3: federal government. The Patriot Act's ridiculous. This is ridiculous. The 717 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 3: fact that I can't open a bank account for a 718 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 3: thirteen year old, and as his parent, I got I 719 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 3: gotta prove who he is because you can't take my 720 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 3: word for the fact that he's my child makes me 721 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 3: a child, say money laundering, little mule for your militia, 722 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 3: whatever you want to call him. The Patriot Act was 723 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 3: so much I was trying to explain it to her. 724 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 3: He was so much crap that they jammed through. It's 725 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 3: all because of nine to eleven. So you're gonna stop 726 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,960 Speaker 3: the next nine to eleven by making sure thirteen year 727 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 3: olds don't open illegal bank accounts. I guess whatever, even 728 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 3: though their parrot, who you know, is sitting right there. 729 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: I hate stuff like that and the and the but 730 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 3: they were there. Their eyes got so wide when I 731 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 3: hate said I hate the federal government. And I was 732 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: thinking if I was doing this same thing in my 733 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 3: and where I went to college in Hayes, Kansas, and 734 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 3: I said I hate the federal government. The teller would 735 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: have said, yeah, me too, don't you high five? Jude 736 00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 3: came end to that brother, but that just being oh 737 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 3: my god, you shouldn't she said, oh she she gasped. 738 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 3: The woman gasped, and her boss just looked at me white. 739 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 3: I'd like, oh, were we about to have a fight. 740 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 3: Oh man, you have to have two pieces of id 741 00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: even though he's my kid. 742 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,000 Speaker 2: I just found that amazing. 743 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 7: All right, here's here's the guy who retweets my quotes. 744 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 7: Get ready to jot this one down and get it right? 745 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 7: Would you? 746 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 3: Anytime the government says there's an emergency, there are two emergencies. 747 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but actually exactly. 748 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,279 Speaker 3: And I actually told my son because he was one, 749 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: and he was really like, is that something you can't 750 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 3: say out loud? 751 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:31,040 Speaker 2: I said, I told him. 752 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 3: The most revered Republican president of the last maybe century, 753 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 3: Ronald Reagan, ran on the scariest words in the English 754 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 3: language are I'm here from the I'm from the government, 755 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 3: and I'm here to help you. I mean, he ran on, 756 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 3: I hate the government, all right. Just saw a clip 757 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 3: this morning. The government isn't the solution. Government is the problem. 758 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 3: And the woman who was typing furiously after I said that, 759 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,640 Speaker 3: because she was so horrified that anybody would say that, 760 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 3: I said, you know, all the money in my account. 761 00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 3: I made that by going on the radio every day 762 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,120 Speaker 3: saying I hate the government. 763 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 2: I make my living. 764 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,799 Speaker 7: By the way, if the Justice Department is listening, or 765 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 7: the FDIC or. 766 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 3: The c i A, the NSA, if I'm happy to 767 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 3: testify against this monster. 768 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm on some sort of terrorist watch list now, yes, Michael. 769 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: So wonder they didn't hit the silent alarm on you 770 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 5: and then you know, cops show up or something. 771 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 3: I would have been I would have loved to talk 772 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 3: to people and explain why it's okay for me to 773 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 3: say I hate the government. No, no, no, We've got 774 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 3: to surveill him for a while and go through his 775 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 3: mail and monitor his phone calls. We've got the NSA 776 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 3: working on it already. What I hate is the manager 777 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 3: guy acting like it makes sense that we have a 778 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,640 Speaker 3: law that I can't vouch for my kid being my kid. 779 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: That seems perfectly reasonable to me. Two forms of ID 780 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 2: for a child, right when their parents. Is there? 781 00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: I thought he says his name, Then I say his name? 782 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,040 Speaker 3: Is that two forms of ID? And if not, what 783 00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: the hell has the world became? 784 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 2: I know, the Armstrong and Getty Show. 785 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, more Jack, more Joe podcasts, and our hot links 786 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: at Armstrong and 787 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: Getty dot com