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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist. Caitlin. We

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Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined by one of the hosts

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Speaker 1: of popular Cradle podcast, a podcast about Palestine. Also co

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Speaker 1: hosts five to four, a podcast about all the ways

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court is a fucking disaster. She's a supervising

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Speaker 1: attorney at Texas Law, has worked as a public defender

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Speaker 1: in Rio Grande City, Texas, and an activist who got

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Speaker 1: arrested for protesting Israel's ongoing atrocities against Palestine. Please welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the show. Rihann and Hmo me.

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Speaker 2: I didn't prepare any eight, but yeah, I guess that

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Speaker 2: Rhiann and Hammam aka jail Bird. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's right. You've since we last spoke.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Thank you for being here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got arrested protesting on the campus of the University

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Speaker 1: of Texas, do you. I'm sure you've talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I know you've talked about it on five four. I

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Speaker 1: heard you talked about it on five four. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: can you talk about kind of what what that experience

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Speaker 1: was like has been like.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was, it was. It was super crazy.

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Speaker 2: It was super crazy. It was really quite random, you know,

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Speaker 2: if people kind of followed this of course, you know,

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Speaker 2: like things like the student encampment movement and that kind

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Speaker 2: of like tactic of protests on campuses was really intense

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Speaker 2: and widespread over the spring. At UT. On the day

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Speaker 2: that I was arrested, there wasn't even a student encampment.

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Speaker 2: It was just students gathering for like you know, a

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Speaker 2: teaching and some art activities and talking about the genocide.

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Speaker 2: And yes, State of Texas through UT basically just called

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Speaker 2: their school. So yeah, I got arrested there. It was

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Speaker 2: really it was. It was so wild. You know, it's

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Speaker 2: hard to like derive really like any like strong lessons

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Speaker 2: out of it, like about the law or something like that,

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Speaker 2: because it's just like, no, the lesson is like the

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Speaker 2: state will call in cops to beat up some kids

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Speaker 2: if they don't like what you're saying, right, Like, that's

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Speaker 2: that's kind of.

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Speaker 1: It, and we'll rescue and do and do violence regardless

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Speaker 1: of whether you respond, you know, do respond to what

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Speaker 1: they're telling you to do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all for exercise your first Amendment.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, exactly, Yeah, kind of like I guess I learned

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Speaker 2: the wrong first Amendment in law school, but something different

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Speaker 2: than what the U than what state troopers in Texas learned,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I like that. They weren't ready on the

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Speaker 1: day of the actual protests, so they were like, that's

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Speaker 1: not going to work for us. But there are people here,

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Speaker 1: so can we just like kind of go through with this.

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Speaker 1: I already have like the shit on me, Like I

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Speaker 1: have all the got on. I brought a huge but comfortable.

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Speaker 2: And I also brought thirty massive horses. So can I

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Speaker 2: just let loose on these nineteen year olds or what?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: That's right? All right, Well, I'm sorry you went through that,

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Speaker 1: but thank you for your courage in the face of

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Speaker 1: state violence and you know, just fucking the ongoing horrors

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Speaker 1: of this civilization we live in. What is something from

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Speaker 1: your search history that's revealing about who you are.

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Speaker 3: I googled this phrase dating apps that don't suck shit?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, and.

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Speaker 3: I didn't yield the results I was up for.

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Speaker 4: Didn't yield results about.

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Speaker 3: It was just like, here are some dating apps that

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Speaker 3: so didn't really find what I was looking for, but

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Speaker 3: I think I made a valiant effort.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a good search. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: they got around that search that seems pretty air tight.

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Speaker 5: Well, what is the name of the like when someone's

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Speaker 5: attracted to somebody's intelligence, sabio sexual? They had an app

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Speaker 5: it's like people who just found out what the word

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Speaker 1: Sure, people, and I'm sure it attracts a lot of

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Speaker 1: people who do their own research, which are not always

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Speaker 1: actually the smartest people I have found. And that's just

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Speaker 1: I feel I feel like a like there's probably a

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Speaker 1: like We're the dating app that doesn't suck shit, and

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Speaker 1: it's just the worst dating app, probably because like, that's

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Speaker 1: just how capitalism, this modern version of capitalism works, is like,

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Speaker 3: Else, anyone else. Yeah. Yeah, they all seem to be

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Speaker 3: competing with each other for the suck shittiest.

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Speaker 1: The shit suckingest app. How is the.

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Speaker 4: Meeting people in real life situation right now?

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Speaker 5: Given that the app sucks so bad, I feel like

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Speaker 5: I'm people might be going back to that.

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Speaker 4: Is that true? I think?

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 3: I keep hearing about people joining like running clubs to

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Speaker 3: be in running club. But I did join a co

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Speaker 5: That's There's like, so there was a moment where meetups

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. I did like a speed dating

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Speaker 3: like my first ever speed dating event, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: pretty suck shit as well. Yeah, it's just it's the

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Speaker 3: quality of the people is the big problem. I think.

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Speaker 3: So I don't have anything against it's the people who

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Speaker 5: And that's the whole thing with dating is you have

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Speaker 3: That's right, And it just so happens that most people

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Speaker 5: So you got to get through the ship suckers to

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Speaker 5: find a real diamond sucker.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean exactly.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of ship around diamonds.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: The diamond in the rock more like the diamond in

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Speaker 3: the ship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the diamond in the heavily compacted ship. You know.

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Speaker 5: Okay, car Pie, all right, Daily's sikes, No, no, I

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Speaker 5: wasn't getting you on track at all.

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Speaker 1: Trust me.

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Speaker 4: I would never do.

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Speaker 5: That, Daily zyke eves people. If you know a single

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Speaker 5: person who doesn't suck shit, damn me. So that it

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Speaker 5: doesn't go to Caitlin's inbox, I can send all of

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Speaker 5: you filled all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Kaitlyn deserves the best, and then maybe we'll get one

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's hope. So they have to like Paddington and

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Speaker 3: that's about it.

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Speaker 4: Does anybody know Paddington? Does anybody know Paddington?

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Speaker 3: Do you know him personally? I just want to date

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Speaker 3: this is. All all comes down to the people on

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Speaker 3: the dating apps suck ship because they don't know Paddington.

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Speaker 4: I met this person on a dating app. They were

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Speaker 1: And that was that was like a story of a

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Speaker 1: great experience, right, that was the beginning of a tail

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's me meeting Caitlin on a dating appy, just

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my cousin. Yeah, have you tried AI? I've been

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Speaker 1: told by the creator of Bumble that we're all just

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Speaker 3: I'd rather walk into the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Muttering to yourself with fish. Yeah. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: better plan actually than the their plan. What Jody is

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Speaker 6: I've been personally riding the rated and overrated and underrated

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Speaker 6: it was very clever. But anyway, so it just Mingus

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Speaker 6: nice to see Kamala buying a Mingus album and it's

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Speaker 1: Is a jazz musician.

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Speaker 6: Oh yes, sorry, jazz musician who also trained his cats

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Speaker 4: Really, that's why I'm a fan of him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually wasn't aware of his jazz work.

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Speaker 6: a photo come method with his.

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Speaker 1: The Mingas method.

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Speaker 6: It's incredible. Yeah, wow, do.

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Speaker 1: We have access to that method? Yeah? We did.

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Speaker 6: I did a whole radio piece for it one time,

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Speaker 6: and then tried to train a kitten using the Mingus

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Speaker 1: But but yeah, I talked to a cat.

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Speaker 6: I talked to a vet and like sort of cat

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Speaker 6: psychologist who who validated that Mingus really had sort of

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Speaker 6: method he was using to coax cats into using the toilet.

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Speaker 1: Was one of the steps like play just the smoothest

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Speaker 1: jazz for them, like so that they get super relexzz.

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Speaker 5: There's some joke about scatting in here is there.

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Speaker 1: Is It's in there.

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Speaker 5: I saw Kamala won some Italian pasta making contests, like

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Speaker 7: S'mores? Okay, shit, dessert everything shit. I don't know if

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Speaker 7: ZEITGEISTI in turn where now it's dark chocolate out paced

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Speaker 7: milk chocolate, which when I was younger, it was milk

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Speaker 7: chocolate everywhere. Yeah, s'mores are everywhere now that I'm seeing

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Speaker 7: there's smores flavored. So yeah, things trying to taste like smores.

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Speaker 7: It's a stupid word, has needless apostrophe. Some moores? You

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Speaker 7: want some morees? Fuck you get out of here, dry cracker, Like,

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Speaker 7: I don't understand why other better things like a fine

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Speaker 7: chocolate at a chocolate tears are trying to taste like s'mores.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you already better.

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Speaker 5: Really a thing that's like a nostalgia thing of like

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, my argument is, just eat chocolate and throw glow

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Speaker 7: glow and it's awesome. Yeah, I probably carcinogenic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's probably not good for you. And then the

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Speaker 4: You have a different than I do. You're so sick.

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Speaker 7: We did do that, that was one of our And

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Speaker 7: sounds really super fun.

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Speaker 1: Psychedelic and fun. It would make a.

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Speaker 1: Think you zeroed in on it with the dry crackers.

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Speaker 7: And marshmallows are mid they're not They're not bad.

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Speaker 5: The marshmallows are really good marshmallows. Marshmallows think you're better

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Speaker 4: I actually believe you.

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Speaker 7: You ever hear people say vagan and go what vegan? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: vaguely vegan? No, actually vegan. They're doing it like more

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Speaker 7: And yeah, I think it's like they're implying that it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so vegan that this.

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Speaker 5: Against it, Like this is like meat eaters saying, like, what,

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Speaker 5: how can we make them more fucking annoying?

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Speaker 1: Have you ever had? I mean, I guess if you

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Speaker 1: But if you replace the dry crackers with some moist cookies.

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty good.

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Speaker 7: And like, oh yeah, squishy chocolate chip cookie sandwich with marshmallow.

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Speaker 1: And chocolate, marshmallow and chocolate. Yeah, the chocolate. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 5: Okay, now you guys sound like you're trying to elevate

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Speaker 5: this Moore again. It sounds like you're doing.

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Speaker 1: We're doing a bit of an elevated some more concept.

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Speaker 4: A deconstructed construction.

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Speaker 1: And also like the dry crackers just like crumble too much.

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Speaker 1: They're just you take a bite into them and it's

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Speaker 4: You know, that's the beauty of it. That's why we

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Speaker 4: can't escape the nature Valley Granola Bar. We love the mess.

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Speaker 4: We're just messy bitches.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is myk I just need that

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Speaker 7: Bums in the streets, crumbs in the sheets.

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Speaker 1: I also, you mentioned that we went from milk chocolate

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Speaker 5: I love chocolate it always, but like dark chocolate people

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Speaker 4: Me feel bad about it.

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Speaker 7: They're like thirty percent just a treat sometime when you

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Speaker 7: taste fifty percent, sixty percent, seventy percent dark chocolate, and

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Speaker 5: Well, control over the percent of dark chocolate. Everything in

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Speaker 5: the rest of your life is crumbling. But if you

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Speaker 5: your coffee and your beer.

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Speaker 4: Then you can take the fact that your wife, Susan

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I just eat baking cocoa actually, and that's my

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Speaker 4: I new trend raw dog and cocoa audience coco.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I feel like it's for people who take pride

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Speaker 1: they're just like suffering. I've had people say to it

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Speaker 1: be like you like chocolate, Oh, you you like like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, leave me out of your sick fucking game man. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: milk chocolate for life. Let's take a quick break and

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Speaker 1: and we're back and Trump v. United States? Is that

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, in the realm of Supreme the Supremes, you got it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people have talked about how scary

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right. So, Like the question here is like, okay,

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Speaker 2: there's going to be consequences that for me to order

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Speaker 2: somebody to do that, that would be a crime, right,

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Speaker 2: But we want the president to be able to do it.

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Speaker 2: That's why there's presidential immunity. And so the way courts

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Speaker 2: hold them legally accountable for doing something. Yes, they're the president,

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Speaker 2: the president the president, and I get an offender bender,

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Speaker 2: you know, six blocks from my house, Yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: You know, yes, but especially he kind of fucked up

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Speaker 1: your twenty fourteen right, yes he should be, he must pay.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, so in this case, the Supreme Court, this

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Speaker 3: Act, including for treason.

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Speaker 2: Basically, yes, yes, yeah. What's so so wild is what

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court says is or what the majority the majority.

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Speaker 2: Let's be real, the hyper conservative six maniacs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but John Roberts is the middle of the road

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Speaker 2: This past Supreme Court term be the dead of that idea.

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Speaker 2: This we we've got Roberts on decisions all over the

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Speaker 2: is not a moderate. Please stop saying that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, in in this case, they're saying, like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: So that means like it doesn't matter for what purpose

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court says the president is insulated from prosecution. Right.

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Speaker 2: So it's like kind of like I think Peter said

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Speaker 2: The only thing that matters is it's your gun. It's

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Speaker 2: doing monarchy now.

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Speaker 1: And if Trump gets back in the White House, it

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Speaker 1: like it feels like it's like a like a request,

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Speaker 3: Like it's really a dare, Like I dare you just

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's it's a little bit different,

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Speaker 2: there are other areas of the law that are going

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Speaker 2: Oh no, you can't do that, No, you can't, you can't.

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Speaker 2: these crimes, you can definitely do that. And what's crazy?

439
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Speaker 2: You know you brought up like okay, like the next

440
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: a next Trump term, he's gonna really be trying this

441
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 2: stuff out and really empowered by this crazy decision. And

442
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 2: that's true. I mean, like the decision itself is not

443
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: just saying like, oh yeah, in general, you're getting carte blanche,

444
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: although it does say that, but it is about specific

445
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: acts that Trump took leading up to and are on

446
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 2: January sixth, right, And so you know that, you know,

447
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: the accusation that Trump like leveraged the Department of Justice

448
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 2: right to like open sham investigations or to threaten sham

449
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: investigations into voter fraud so that states would be like

450
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: coerced into changing their electors. He also threatened to fire

451
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: the acting Attorney General for not cooperating with that. Like

452
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: that's those are the specific accusations that Trump or anybody

453
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 2: else could be criminally prosecuted for. And you know, the

454
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 2: Supreme Court John Roberts in this decision says, well, no,

455
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Speaker 2: that's like part of being that's just part of the office.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the president. Yeah, of course he's going to fire.

457
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: Like remember how big a deal it was when he

458
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Speaker 1: fired Comy. We were like, holy shit, we have entered

459
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Speaker 1: and then he like went on that Lesser Wholt interview

460
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, yeah, I didn't really like that

461
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: he was looking into me, so I you know, it

462
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Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, we've like entered a new

463
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Speaker 1: world where he's just going to try and get away

464
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Speaker 1: with it. And now the Supreme Court's like, yeah, no,

465
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Speaker 1: that's like totally fine. What yeah, like shut the fuck

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00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: up straight, complaining.

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00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 2: Everybody, right, And so if you can like misuse abuse

468
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Speaker 2: your power with like ordering the DOJ to do illegal

469
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: sham shit, right, then yeah, in this second term, like

470
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:06,240
Speaker 2: that you there's really no telling. And the court said, yeah,

471
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 2: it's not just this stuff for which he's immune, it's

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Speaker 2: also like, here's how you think about these cases in

473
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Speaker 2: the future. And again that's just like if it's connected

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Speaker 2: to the office of the presidency, if it's you know,

475
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: just kind of draped in this, if he can say

476
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Speaker 2: I did this in my capacity as the president, then yeah,

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Speaker 2: he's immune from criminal prosecution for anything that comes out

478
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Speaker 2: of that.

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Speaker 1: And it really felt like a broad and unapologetic collusion

480
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: between like the Supreme Court and Trump, like they delayed

481
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: the ruling for him and then found even more strongly

482
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Speaker 1: for him than what he was seeking. Yeah, it's just

483
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Speaker 1: like now, in retrospect, I think we're having a hard

484
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Speaker 1: time getting our mind around just like how off the

485
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Speaker 1: rails this has gone? No, yeah, yeah, just listening back

486
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: to earlier episodes of your show, of like any show

487
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: like from before this, you know, like when I I

488
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 1: remember being like, oh, I'm coming back from a trip

489
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: with my family on July eleventh, so that'll be like

490
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: when Trump is sentenced, so we'll find that out then,

491
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Like that's just gone. It's like the worst case scenario

492
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: was like him not seeing jail time, and now we're

493
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,959
Speaker 1: just like, oh no, actually, maybe what he did is legal.

494
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: Maybe like he's not a felon because because the Supreme

495
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: Court is like, he can do whatever the fuck he wants.

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Speaker 2: Everybody absolutely, yeah, No, it's super crazy, like the yeah,

497
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 2: like the discourse was about like you know, I never

498
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: thought Trump was going to see prison time, right, but

499
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 2: it was like okay, like maybe he would be like

500
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: on house arrest for like a couple of weeks or something,

501
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: and then he's just like on probation and like that

502
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 2: would be crazy and ha ha.

503
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 1: Ha clean Highway.

504
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 2: Service has to go win him on community service days,

505
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: you know, right, you know.

506
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: Like erase all that, and he is king, yeah, yes.

507
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,640
Speaker 1: He's going to be king yeah yeah.

508
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: Well, and he's like he's like explicitly saying this. He's

509
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: saying like, if you vote for me, you're never gonna

510
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: have to vote again. Yeah, Like like he's ready to

511
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: just post up and be like I can't commit a crime.

512
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, we're good here, he's done donezo Yeah yeah, Cuckoo.

513
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: Really feels like we'll never get him out of office

514
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: the if he wins this time. And yeah, in the

515
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: next act, I want to talk about how I like

516
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: it feels like he's specifically signaling that this is his plan.

517
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: Is like his ace in the hole is that he

518
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: has like the Supreme Court on his side, or at

519
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: least a lot of judges and election officials. But the

520
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 1: day that this came down, he was like, we should

521
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: be thinking about prosecuting Liz Cheney for treason, Like he knows. Yeah,

522
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: he's ready to use this power. Yeah, Like the the

523
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: DJ is like is his gun now he is going

524
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: to be able to do the thing that he was

525
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: joking about, joking in quotes, but like clearly you know

526
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: has always wanted to do, which is like shoot someone

527
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: in the middle of Fifth Avenue and like get away

528
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: with it.

529
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. He's like it's like not that far off

530
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: from what he's been talking about right for for years now,

531
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: and it's just about like him. That's that's what's so

532
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: dangerous about a Trump administration in terms of things like

533
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five all all of that that comes

534
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 2: with it is we've already seen it in a first

535
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: Trump term that he installs the people who allow him

536
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: to do this, right, who build up, who changed laws,

537
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: who interpret laws, so that when he has power, he

538
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: can do exactly what he's saying he wants to do

539
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: with it, you know. And so like you know, from

540
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: our from from my perspective, like watching the Supreme Court,

541
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: you know, you always have to go back to Trump

542
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: had three nominations to the Supreme Court, got him, you know,

543
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: got all three confirmed, and you know, you just have

544
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: to be real. I think, you know, like legal analysts,

545
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: political analysts, all of that kind of thing. You have

546
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: to be real that Trump installed those three people for

547
00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,040
Speaker 2: very specific reasons. Right, One, which they've been super upfront

548
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: about and which they already achieved, was overturning Roe v.

549
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:46,200
Speaker 1: Wade.

550
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: He put those three conservatives because he knew those three

551
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: conservatives would vote that way. Right, and now with that

552
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: like kind of it's very direct, like a quid pro quo,

553
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: like I put you on the court to do X

554
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: Y Z, and here we go this like crazy conservative

555
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 2: super majority. They're ready to do it. They're they're yeah.

556
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: They're doing it more than really Yeah, they're x Y

557
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: and zing it exactly do we it does? You're right,

558
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: it does feel like this has been a plan all along.

559
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: I was wondering, like because John Roberts had been more

560
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: like he hadn't been this out and out like right

561
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: wing crazy, had he? Or am I was I just

562
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: like not paying attention. It's entirely possible. I wasn't paying attention,

563
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: But like it feels like I don't know that like

564
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: Brett Cavanaugh got in there and he's just like a

565
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: bad influence on everyone or something like it just feels

566
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: like it's like a total it's taken a real turn.

567
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 2: I think that's right. Like John Roberts has always been

568
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 2: a conservative, Like he's always hated things like voting rights,

569
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, like they're his legal career before he was

570
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: ever a judge, Like shows a lot of his a

571
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 2: lot of super conservative positions on a lot of things.

572
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 2: I think this past term might show us the past

573
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: couple of terms at the Supreme Court might show us

574
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:11,239
Speaker 2: maybe two things. One is that John Roberts now is

575
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: the chief Justice presiding over cases at the Supreme Court

576
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: where the Overton window has shifted dramatically. Like the cases

577
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: now being decided are not like, Okay, what's this little

578
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 2: tiny what's this little tiny tweak that we could make

579
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 2: in the conservative direction on Roe v.

580
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: Wade?

581
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 2: Right, But it's like literally like is the president immune

582
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 2: from criminal prosecution when the president does crimes?

583
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 5: Right?

584
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 2: And so it's like the conservative, the hyper conservative inside

585
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 2: of John Roberts can totally jump out because because the

586
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: cases in front of the Supreme Court right now are

587
00:32:56,200 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 2: on issues that are just wildly wildly conservative, right, So

588
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 2: there doesn't have to be the appearance of like the

589
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 2: questions they're answering within those questions. There doesn't have to

590
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: be this kind of like sham appearance of like moderation, right,

591
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 2: or sort of institutional legitimacy from the Court that John

592
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: Roberts was like kind of using as a tactic in

593
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: in years prior. Right.

594
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: Yeah.

595
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: And I think another thing too, is that John Roberts

596
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 2: and the rest of the Conservatives on the Supreme Court

597
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: and everybody on the Supreme Court is a human being

598
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: who is influenced by the political moment and media and

599
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,920
Speaker 2: you know, shifts in popular opinion and shifts and development

600
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,239
Speaker 2: and conservative thought just like everybody else's. And so you

601
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: know Fox News is writing is rotting their brains too.

602
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there, you can absolutely tell that they're just mainlining

603
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: fucking Jesse Waters and yeah, oh yeah, I mean in

604
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: the case of Alito As we'll get to fucking like

605
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: Q conspiracies. But yeah, it's it's so wild. I mean,

606
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: this is how fascism happens, right, Like the rule of

607
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: law is not like it's not like fascists come in

608
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: and just like say no more, Supreme Court. It's exactly

609
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: the rule of law. I think it was said on

610
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: five to four by Peter like the rule of law

611
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: is whatever fascists need it to be in a given moment, inconsistent,

612
00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: but it is. You know, they will use it like

613
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 1: the cudgel, you.

614
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 2: Know, exactly, yeah, exactly, we're talking I mean, and there's

615
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 2: so many cases from this past term that show that,

616
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: you know, I think when we were talking about like

617
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: fascism and the rule of law and that kind of thing.

618
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 2: That was probably on our episode about Snyder, which is

619
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 2: the case about like bribery, like bribing elected officials, where

620
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court said like, hmm, well, actually you know this,

621
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: this check that a trucking company gave to the mayor

622
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: of this organ city for thirteen thousand dollars for awarding

623
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 2: that trucking company trucking contracts. That's not bribery. And that's

624
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: exactly like you know, all of these cases like on

625
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 2: their own, you're like, oh that's fucked up. Oh that's

626
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 2: another fucked up decision. But when you see them all

627
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 2: together and you realize, like what the Supreme Court is doing,

628
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 2: like that is the overarching goal is about ushering in

629
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: right a legal order where these conservatives are in charge.

630
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 2: These conservatives are the ones saying what the law is

631
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: and they will always use that to They will always

632
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: use that to like reach the results that they want

633
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: for their policy preferences, for that vision they have for

634
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 2: the world.

635
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: And whoever has the most money becomes the most powerful exactly.

636
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 3: Totally because you know, if Trump becomes president again, uh,

637
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 3: and he exercises this ability to commit crimes with right

638
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 3: is God given king, right, Yeah, the Supreme Court will

639
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,240
Speaker 3: just be like, Yep, we ruled that that was the choice,

640
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: and that's great and good, do whatever you need to do, buddy.

641
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:13,240
Speaker 3: Versus if not Trump is elected and then that person

642
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,399
Speaker 3: tries to commit crimes, I feel like the Supreme Court

643
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: would be like, well, in this case, actually no, and

644
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 3: I own blub blah, like there's no objectivity.

645
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no. And you see the tools that they use, right, So,

646
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 2: like they put like the appearance of legal analysis, and

647
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 2: they say, well, like, well, you got to decide first

648
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 2: if something is an official act or an unofficial act, right,

649
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: And so you see that they're like building in the

650
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 2: tools that they're going to use to reach the completely

651
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 2: opposite result when they don't like the president who's doing

652
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: the acts. Right, So in the future, what they can

653
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: say as well, no, that wasn't you know, if let's

654
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 2: say Kamala wins, right, Well, no, Kamala wasn't doing an

655
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: official act as part of the office of the presidency.

656
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 2: That was an unofficial act, and you don't get presidential

657
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 2: immunity for unofficial acts. Right, So it's all about just

658
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 2: like recognizing like the law isn't like a mathematical equation

659
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 2: where you go two plus two and you know what

660
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 2: the result is going to be. Like, the law is

661
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 2: a tool. It's a political tool, and that's what these

662
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 2: conservatives on the Supreme Court are using it as.

663
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 3: Right, They're like deliberately building in loopholes that they can

664
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: exploit for whatever agenda they want under carry out.

665
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, so the Biden can't actually do Supreme Court reform right, right,

666
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: is how do you think about the Supreme Court reform

667
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 1: that Biden has very just very cautiously hinted at wanting

668
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: to explore like it is obviously he probably doesn't have

669
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 1: the time to do it. Left, but is he at

670
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 1: least like looking in the right direction, Is he at

671
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: least starting the right conversations.

672
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: It's absolutely in it's absolutely looking in the right direction

673
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: and starting the right conversations. You know it was looking

674
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: in the right direction and starting the right conversations. You know,

675
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: four years ago when he ran on a platform of

676
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: court reform, and when he took the presidency and struck,

677
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: the Biden Commission on Supreme Court Reform had people, lawyers, judges,

678
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 2: law professors from quote unquote both sides of the aisle

679
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: come together and talk about where necessary court reform could

680
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: take place, how it could take place, what it would entail.

681
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 2: Biden and the Democrats I think are speaking to that

682
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: at least, at the very least giving lip service if

683
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 2: you're kind of cynical like I am, because they know

684
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 2: that actually it's publicly quite popular, Like people know right

685
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: now that the Supreme Court is super fucked up and

686
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 2: that there needs to be court reform, and so yeah,

687
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party will kind of throw that out that

688
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 2: they're willing and able to look at it, and you know,

689
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 2: want to get the conversation started and that kind of thing.

690
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, the conversation, yeah, to be started and should

691
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: have been started. And I think it's about like demanding

692
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 2: that like the reforms actually happened.

693
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: There was just a really intense earthquake in Los Angeles, California.

694
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: Oh, my god, are you okay? Ye, justin Victor, everybody okay,

695
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: shook my house?

696
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 2: Still pretty hard?

697
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

698
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 3: Oh it's still going.

699
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: Still feeling like Victor died. Was reported that he died.

700
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Victor, Oh my god. Well hope everybody listening also, okay,

701
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,240
Speaker 1: listening a day in the future. All right, let's uh

702
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 1: take a quick break to gather ourselves to just steady,

703
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: steady our our quakings and quaking hearts, and we'll come

704
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: back to talk about how the Supreme Court might We've

705
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: already talked about how if Trump gets elected, were fucked.

706
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 1: Let's talk about how the Supreme Court can help get

707
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: him elected. We'll be right back, and we're back. And

708
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 1: so we talked yesterday about how Apple announced last week

709
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:23,799
Speaker 1: they're reigning in they're spending on streaming after launching a

710
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: bunch of shows and keeping them a secret, like like

711
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: it was a trade secret, like there was no supposed

712
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: to know about that. This is what I mean, just

713
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: for me, that's right now. Paramount announced within the past

714
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: couple of days that they're shuttering their TV studios. But

715
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: these are just examples of how economically depressed the American

716
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: entertainment industry seems to have been for the past year.

717
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 5: Not just economically, buddy, have you seen my bank account?

718
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: It's it's bad out there. Like everybody I talked to

719
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: who works in the entertainment industry is like, this is

720
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: the worst I've ever seen it. Like that seems to

721
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: be the and I've talked to I'm old as fuck you, guys.

722
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: I've talked to some very old people who say it's

723
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: the worst they've ever seen it well, like over thirty

724
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: like even thirty five.

725
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 4: Oh, disgusting.

726
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: I try not to hang out with them, but you know, weird.

727
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 4: They take your life for us.

728
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, they need their putting fed to them.

729
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: So but I feel like this is all because of

730
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 3: and I don't know enough about it. So I'm kind

731
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: of speculating here, but the that's what That's how this

732
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 3: show should be, right, just like making wild guesses and yeah, all.

733
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 4: Weird caveat it, you can say anything.

734
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, So I think I don't know enough about it.

735
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:56,799
Speaker 3: There's like too much supply and not enough demand. There's

736
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 3: just like too much content and they're spending money on

737
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 3: all these shows and like all these things and every

738
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 3: platform has like a bazillion original series and original movies

739
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and it's like there's no conceivable

740
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 3: way that any person who even like even people who

741
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 3: consume a lot of media, such as myself. I'm constantly

742
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 3: watching flims, but.

743
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 1: Like whim, I don't know. Yeah, Flims.

744
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 5: Okay, they're about three hours long with no breaks. Now

745
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 5: you know flim Do you go to the movie Nicole

746
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 5: Kidman talks at you at the beginning.

747
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, will come to this place for Flims. So it's

748
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 3: just like there's too much. And that's why I'm guessing

749
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 3: that's why there's such a because back in the day

750
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: when Hollywood was thriving is because there were like I

751
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 3: don't know, like Wayludes three. There's kludes and.

752
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,719
Speaker 1: That salutes and cocaine. At the same time, we thought

753
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: both of them were healthy and they're only like.

754
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 3: You know, five new movies coming out every month, and

755
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 3: there was like just not that much content, and now

756
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: there's there's too much. And if I know anything about

757
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 3: the economics, which I don't, but I know, I know

758
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 3: that it's like supply and demand, and there's too much

759
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 3: supply and not.

760
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 5: The investing or like mentoring or allowing things to grow

761
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: which I think is tied into that problem. They're not

762
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 5: allowing good content. That's like kind of the As an

763
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 5: avid reality TV show fan, I have to call out

764
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 5: that the reason that they do that is because it's

765
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 5: a lot cheaper to do that and pump out a

766
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 5: ton of seasons of the same show rather than invest

767
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 5: in like the development of characters and plot and getting

768
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 5: like the actors that you really want to get. That's

769
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: like great, you know what I mean, They're not just

770
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 5: not as invested in the quality of the content.

771
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so they invest they overinvested in streaming.

772
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 1: They like went too hard on streaming, and now they

773
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: have stopped developing like anything, like they just cut it off.

774
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: And that's why like all these streaming companies are like

775
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,319
Speaker 1: you know, you're starting to see the headlines that they're

776
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: like pulling it back after overinvesting without really any business

777
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: plan of like how to make money off of that.

778
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: It was just so I think there's like one of

779
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 1: the big things that happened is like there's no it's

780
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: now controlled by like five big companies. Like in the past,

781
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Hollywood had been had enough regulations in place to prevent

782
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 1: just massive consolidation like we have now and then slowly

783
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,840
Speaker 1: by slowly, like starting with Reagan and into like the

784
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Clinton reministration.

785
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 3: Reygun yeah, well famous breakdancer Reygun.

786
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yes, she was the president of the US from

787
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 1: eighty to eighty eight, and she came through and just deregulated,

788
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: Like it's just deregulation over and over until now there's

789
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: like only a handful of companies and and they're all

790
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: chasing each other, and you know, so like one of

791
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 1: them has like decides to invest in streaming, and so

792
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 1: they all like over invest in streaming, and then there's

793
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: just not the small companies anymore, who like when the

794
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,319
Speaker 1: big companies all do the same stupid thing, are there

795
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: to like zag and like do the smart thing that

796
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 1: then the big companies like impersonate and like copy off

797
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 1: of you know. So now it's just like big guys

798
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: making terrible decisions and making the same terrible decision all

799
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: at the same time, and nobody there to do the

800
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: smart thing that like creates the market correction. That and

801
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,320
Speaker 1: then the other really big problem is that private equity

802
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 1: has gotten like in two thousand and eight, you know,

803
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 1: when they were just basically printing money for free. Private

804
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: equity got involved in Hollywood, and so now we have

805
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: a hand full of like massive companies and they private

806
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: equity money is involved, so their instincts are like private

807
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: equity are these like massive companies and their model is

808
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: like trying to make money as quickly as possible. They're

809
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: just like extracting capital from these companies that they're investing

810
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: in or taking over.

811
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: And so it's private equity equity. They're just like.

812
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: Us, yes, yeah, And so I just feel like we

813
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 1: have fewer people calling the shots, and the people calling

814
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: the shots have just way worse instincts. And this is

815
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: how you get to the entertainment dark ages that we

816
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: might be about to live through, which.

817
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: Is a bummart because so many good movie I feel

818
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: like there was a period of like the content that

819
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 3: was coming out and yet and like I'm speaking from

820
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 3: a place of like my personal taste, yes, but but

821
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 3: so so many of the movies that came out have

822
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 3: come out within the past like and I'm speaking again

823
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 3: also specifically about movies more so than TV. But I

824
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 3: guess what I'm saying is no more TV, more movies.

825
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 3: That's the platform that I'm running.

826
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 2: Slambs on Flims We've.

827
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 3: Entered this period in the past couple of years where

828
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 3: like some really good not like major studio pictures, things

829
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 3: that are like lower budget, not based on you know,

830
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: comic books or any existing you know, huge properties, just

831
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 3: like independent, low budget, but like really well done movies

832
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:41,800
Speaker 3: are coming out. Because there was like I don't know,

833
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:43,439
Speaker 3: there was like five years where I'm like, every movie

834
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 3: I've seen this year sucks. But within the past couple

835
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 3: of years there's so much new good stuff, and I

836
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: would hate to see that all go away because Hollywood

837
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 3: doesn't understand what people want.

838
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: Right.

839
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: Everyone should see DD, Everyone should see mee Cap, everyone

840
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: should see other movies that have come out recently, the end.

841
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 1: Thelma, Okay, is that good? Thelma?

842
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: I loved Selma. I thought it was so fun. And

843
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: then like last year, there were all these great movies

844
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 3: Theater Camp Dix The Musical, and also others. Unless I

845
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 3: have a list in front of me, I never know

846
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about.

847
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 4: But obviously The Beekeeper is on that list.

848
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: I know for sure, The bee Keeper fully Inkeeper, Jason Statham,

849
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 1: Indie actor Darling.

850
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 4: Yes, I just watched Trap. That sure doesn't make sense.

851
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, but I'm a.

852
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 5: Huge advocate of Indian mediocrity. So I'm going to always

853
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 5: support m Night Shyamalan.

854
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: And his kids and.

855
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 5: Taylor he said, yeah, he said that she was his

856
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 5: niece in the movie. But it sounds but it might

857
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,319
Speaker 5: be as kids. It was fully just an album roll

858
00:48:58,360 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: out for her.

859
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

860
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: I will say intrigued. I want to see that.

861
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had such it's a trap itself because I

862
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 5: had really high hopes and will be.

863
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,760
Speaker 1: There anyone in your theater like trying to kill kill people?

864
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 5: Because I feel like no, well kind of because we

865
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 5: went and Jackie's and I went and saw it, and

866
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 5: Ryan from The Boys, the kid Homelander son in The Boys,

867
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 5: was there with all of his friends, like the actor

868
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 5: who played Oh wow, that kid, but he wasn't trying

869
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 5: to kill anyone.

870
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: That's disappointing.

871
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Speaker 5: It was a trap in that I thought it would

872
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 5: be fun and then it was fun, but also very confusing.

873
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 5: One thing that I was going to say is like

874
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 5: this is all like on a high studio. Oh, there

875
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 5: are these conglomerates, deregulations, regularization level, but for how that

876
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 5: affects like us individually, the fact that we can't pitch

877
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 5: new shows.

878
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 4: But even beyond that, I'm seeing more and more huge

879
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 4: celebrities in commercials that just nobody's like us should be in,

880
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 4: you know. So the day to day it used.

881
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: To be just everyday actors.

882
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it used to be just every I went into

883
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 5: audition and I saw somebody who have seen for I

884
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 5: don't remember. He's one of those people you see him

885
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 5: in everything. You don't know his name. He was also auditioning.

886
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 5: I'm like, what are you doing here? You're like a

887
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 5: TV movie star. Let me sell my soul for this?

888
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 4: Like why?

889
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 5: And you see that with also like what they're willing

890
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 5: to take risks on. And then the second thing I

891
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:28,040
Speaker 5: wanted to say was I saw a clip that Jackie

892
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 5: supposted today of like Matt Damon explaining why you can't

893
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 5: make the same movies that you did in the nineties,

894
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 5: and it's because of streaming and how like they had

895
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 5: the DVD release and so they were able to get

896
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 5: their income both from the box office and then the

897
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 5: later DVD release. But now it's it's only it's very

898
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 5: it's a lot less in theaters because people have the

899
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 5: option of streaming, which I think is great and accessible,

900
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 5: but it just means that less money is invested into

901
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 5: different types of films, and there's fewer risks that are

902
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 5: being taken or fewer incentives for people to bet on

903
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 5: these movies that might not have big box office summer

904
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 5: action film Fast and the Furious thirty two Faster assert release.

905
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, they because they've been taken over by corporations. Corporations

906
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 1: always want to like eliminate risk as much as possible,

907
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 1: which is impossible with art. But up to this point,

908
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: we've had a bunch of federal regulations protecting it from

909
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: being the way it is. Like right now, four companies

910
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: controlled more than seventy five percent of WGA writers earnings,

911
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: Like there's four companies that control the whole thing like that.

912
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: There were so many laws in place to keep that

913
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:54,439
Speaker 1: from happening, and now it's just these four companies who

914
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: all when like one of them said we're going to

915
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: do our launch our own streaming platform, like double down

916
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 1: on content, they all did that. They created this like

917
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: bloated thing that wasn't well thought through and like where

918
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,320
Speaker 1: they didn't know how they were going to get people

919
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,280
Speaker 1: to actually fucking watch the stuff that they were making.

920
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: And then when that failed, predictably. Now they're like, well,

921
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,719
Speaker 1: you know, the way that they're responding to that is

922
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 1: like writers are no longer like they took away development pay.

923
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:27,879
Speaker 1: It used to be a thing where like they would

924
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: sign on a writer to develop a pitch that they

925
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: had approved or that they were interested in, and like

926
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: that writer would be on the payroll for however long

927
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: it took to develop it. And now they've just like

928
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: changed it so that writers have to do that all

929
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: by themselves, Like they don't get paid during the development process.

930
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 5: Can you imagine a people to judge, like McKinley consultant

931
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 5: coming in and being like you have to play Moms

932
00:52:54,640 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 5: now you're too old? Yeah down, yeah, business person.

933
00:53:01,640 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know writers who've like spent years developing projects

934
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: that like are you know, have actors attached and like

935
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: seem like they're gonna go and then never go. And

936
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: that person just like worked for a year and didn't

937
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: see like a single cent and it's just like that's

938
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: the way it's set up now. It's like a really

939
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: anti worker situation. It fucking sucks. Yeah.

940
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, I have a friend who has been working for

941
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 3: a couple of years on a script that's like a

942
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:41,800
Speaker 3: studio backed Superhero movie and like has not been paid

943
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: to like frequently enough or enough like amount of money

944
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,160
Speaker 3: for all the work he has put in. And I

945
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 3: keep being like like can you can you like, how

946
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: do you advocate for yourself? Can you ask for money

947
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: for the labor you're tirelessly doing? And he's just like, uh, yeah,

948
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 3: I'm trying, but they don't want to pay. And I'm

949
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 3: just like, what is this? What is this world?

950
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

951
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 5: That's wild because also everybody is desperate and so there's

952
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 5: always someone to replace you, and that just that feeling sucks. Yeah,

953
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,359
Speaker 5: Or like how during the writers' strike, I forget which

954
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 5: executive said that they were essentially like trying to threaten

955
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 5: us with homelessness.

956
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, which guy was that? Which horrible monster?

957
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 1: It was either a Disney guy or Zazz the Zazz.

958
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, So the thing that they're going to because

959
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: the development process has too much quote unquote like risk

960
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 1: for these now like purely corporate entities that run seventy

961
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,439
Speaker 1: five percent of Hollywood, they're going to be even more

962
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: reliant on IP, which is going to make movies shittier.

963
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: Like we're already seeing people be like god like Shazam

964
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: two came out last year, Like I like that. I

965
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: can't believe speaking of Libertarian last year, right, the same

966
00:55:19,400 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: actor just drop what's his name, zach Levia.

967
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 3: Zackly, Zachary Levi and Harold in The Purple Crown.

968
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, another another ip grab from like a nineteen fifties

969
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: children's book. But because you don't have to like pay

970
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: anyone whose idea that was, they're just like, I don't know,

971
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 1: let's just grab fucking everything on our shelves and green

972
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,280
Speaker 1: light it. The Rubik's Cube, the movie like whatever.

973
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 3: You know, it's only okay when it's patented, right.

974
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: It's fine when it's pa and sometimes it works out.

975
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 5: It wasn't for those reasons, if it wasn't to avoid

976
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 5: paying people, because then they could actually make a good movie.

977
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 2: Heard of.

978
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: The Purple Crown cost forty million dollars on production, probably

979
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 1: another forty in you know, marketing it, and it made

980
00:56:13,239 --> 00:56:17,839
Speaker 1: nine million globally like in its first week. Like it's

981
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: just a complete And I could have told them if

982
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: they had they had just asked me, I could have

983
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 1: told them that was going.

984
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,000
Speaker 5: To happen, and that money, that forty million is not

985
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 5: going to Caitlin's friend who needs to get paid for

986
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 5: them No going to other people's.

987
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 3: Going to this already rich studio execs and shit like that.

988
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, I mean the there's a good article

989
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: on Harper's about this. Author basically argues that some kind

990
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: of radical intervention, either from the government or the workers,

991
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 1: will be necessary to fix the problem. But I think everybody,

992
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 1: you know, everybody just lived through a really scary and

993
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: difficult strike and now it's like worse than it's ever been.

994
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: Daniel Bessner is the name of the person who were

995
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: at the Harper's article. So yeah, but that's like I think,

996
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: I don't think people are quite aware of what's going

997
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,839
Speaker 1: on outside of Hollywood, But like inside of Hollywood, it's

998
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: like no, no new ideas are being like, they're not

999
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: even like responding to pitches anymore. They're just like that, Yeah.

1000
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 1: We there are a handful of massive companies and they

1001
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: have absolutely no appetite for risk aka like creativity or art.

1002
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 5: Whatever you do, do not let this episode get back

1003
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 5: to my parents. Do not let them know that we're

1004
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 5: doing fine. Everything we're doing, we have health insurance. We're

1005
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 5: going to my house any day now.

1006
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Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, all right, that's gonna do it for

1007
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: this week's weekly Zeitgeist. Please like and review the show

1008
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 1: if you like. The show means the world to Miles.

1009
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Speaker 1: He he needs your validation.

1010
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Speaker 5: Folks.

1011
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,400
Speaker 1: I hope you're having a great weekend and I will

1012
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Speaker 1: talk to you Monday. Bye.