1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind from how Stuff 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind. 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: My name is Robert Lamp and I'm Julie Douglas. Julie, 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: what is your relationship with fire? And by fire I 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: mean actual fire and not the American gladiator of fire? 6 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: Ah right, okay, because I was gonna say, like, definitely 7 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: a big bonk on the head with a giant foam 8 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: thing into water. Yeah, yeah, but you know, of course 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: fire would have caused that. But no, my relationship to 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: fire it is. I wouldn't say it's complicated, but I 11 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: would say, like, just like everybody else, there's something very 12 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: alluring about fire, mesmerizing. Um, My earliest memories rose were, 13 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: of of course, burning ants with magnified glass. You were 14 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: one of those kids. I was definitely one of those kids. 15 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: And um, and then waving my hand over a candle 16 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: flame with my babysitter for a very long time, and 17 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: why she was partaking of this with you. She was like, 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: let's let's She and her hippie boyfriend were both like, 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: let's do this thing was it was a hippie not 20 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: like a g Gordon Liddy thing where you like hold 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: your m okay, you like, look how macho and conservative 22 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 1: I am, because I no, no, is the opposite. It 23 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: was like, let's try to control this fire man. And 24 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: now I cannot uh speak for them, but I will 25 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: say that it's possible that maybe there was something that 26 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: was enhancing the experience for them looking back now and understanding, um, 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:39,919 Speaker 1: teenagers back in the day. Coffee, Yeah, lots of coffee. 28 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure that was it. Yeah. Yeah, So anyway, that 29 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,320 Speaker 1: those were my memories of being absolutely mesmerized by fire, 30 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,279 Speaker 1: and you you well, I tend to think of fire 31 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: is um it's not so much an element but a 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: golden God that I that I honor, and and when 33 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I bring fire into the world, I am allowing a 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: part of this god to rein of the world and 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: destroy my Yeah. Was that that That's what I would 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: say if I were a pyromaniac, perhaps, as we'll discussing 37 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: this podcast, because that's that's because my history fires probably 38 00:02:13,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: mostly uninteresting. Yes, when I was a kid, I probably 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: had a stage where I went through where I really 40 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: like firecrackers and it was it was fun to strap 41 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: them to the backs of little g I Joe men 42 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: and and just stick them into the dirt and watch 43 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: things blow up, and you know, and we all and 44 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: I love poking around in the fire. I was in 45 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: boy Scouts. There's a lot of poking around in the fire. Uh. 46 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: But eventually I kind of outgrew that. So I I 47 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,679 Speaker 1: like staring into the fire. I think I I like flames. 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: There's something, you know, kind of scary about it. If 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: I feel like I left a flame going in, say 50 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,839 Speaker 1: the in the bathroom in the morning, I will freak 51 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: out and probably turn the car around or or turn 52 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: my walk around and go back to the house to 53 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: address it. But but I mean, fire is amazing. Fire 54 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: is beautiful. Um, So we can't help would be fascinated 55 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: by it. But it's probably a bad thing. We're too 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: fascinated by it. Well, the the crazy thing about it 57 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: is that, of course, when when we discovered fire, it 58 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: really helped us out right as people, as a civilization, 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: as the ability to even um exists as humans today, 60 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: right right. It really fact, as we've discussed in the past, 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 1: it really had a huge impact on the way that 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 1: we hunt our food. For instance, um, you could use 63 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: fire to clear out the vegetation around a watering hole, 64 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: so you could see the prey animals that were creeping 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: towards the water to drink and slay them. And then 66 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: once you had slain the prey animal, you could conceivably 67 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: roasted up and get more out of your meal um 68 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: digest things that were normally not not not something you 69 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: could digest, that's right. You would trans the ability to transform, yeah, 70 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: foods that you wouldn't be able to digest. Right, And 71 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: to say nothing of its use as a destroyer and 72 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: as a weapon. I mean, fire has has pretty much 73 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: always played a role in in human warfare. I mean, 74 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: from the flaming era to a flaming stick, to h 75 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: to napalm to the idea of of nuclear firestorms ravaging 76 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: the continent following some sort of a World War three scenario. 77 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: So I mean it, fire is is a big player 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: in human civilizations, hopes, and fears. And I guess what 79 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: we're trying to do is trying to occupy the mindset 80 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: of someone who would be so in love with fire 81 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: and be romancing fire, because on some level we all 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: understand that again, you know, fire is the life givers, 83 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: the destroyer. But some people, a very small personage of 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 1: the population paramaniacs specifically UM are absolutely obsessed with it, 85 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: and so we're gonna try to get you know, into 86 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: their minds a little bit today. Although we will say 87 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: that this is UH territory that hasn't been greatly explored 88 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: for many reasons. Right now, we're not going to get 89 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: into the chemical reaction of fire, but but just a 90 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: quid engine here, we have an excellent article called how 91 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: Fireworks by Tom Harris on how stuff works dot com. 92 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: Just go to the website and type in how fireworks 93 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 1: and you go right to it. Here's a quote from it. 94 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 1: Fire isn't matter at all. It's a visible, tangible side 95 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: effect of matter changing form. It's one part of a 96 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: chemical reaction, which, you know, just a quick quote from 97 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: just what fire is. But it gives you a little 98 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: more idea that we're a little insight into why it's 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,280 Speaker 1: so fascinating, because it is it's a thing between you know, 100 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: and it's UH. In addition to being this life giver, 101 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: this destroyer UM and you and you also, I've I've 102 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: heard it argued that like every story we've ever told 103 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: is essentially a story of camp fires. You know, like 104 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: when we sit around the camp fire there's this primal 105 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: experience of of of of humans with their light, with 106 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: their warmth, and then beyond them the darkness of the 107 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: rest of the world. Well then then there's a mysterious 108 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: element of it too. I mean, you know, you take 109 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 1: a candle and you turn it um, you know, to 110 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: the right or left, it's always going to point up 111 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: and unless as about to say, that's a gravity at 112 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,600 Speaker 1: work for you, unless you're on a spaceship. And then 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 1: you get to see the blue flame in the red flame, 114 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: which is really just the embers of that. So yeah, 115 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 1: there's something really powerful to that. UM. But again, some 116 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: people they get a little bit too excited by by 117 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: this flame. And let's look at some examples of people 118 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: who are too into their fire making. Yeah, yeah, okay, 119 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: So there's an infamous arsonist right who has a lot 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: of the characteristics of a pyromaniac. And it hasn't you know, 121 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: exactly been said this is a pyromaniac. And again we 122 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: talk about he's definitely on the waiting list. Um, looks 123 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: like he might make it. Paul Keller lives lives in Seattle. 124 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: He is now serving in ninety nine year prison sentence 125 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: and he started setting fires as a child and later 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: tried to join the fire department. And he's an alcoholic 127 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: um and during those fires, most likely he was probably imbibing. 128 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: But he set something like seventy fires in his career 129 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: and one at a nursing home facility. So obviously there's 130 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, you know that there's a dark side to this. 131 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: But that's when you know that someone has certainly tipped 132 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: over the edge of perhaps just seeing what a fire 133 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: might do in some sort of scenario and then actually 134 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: setting a fire knowing that many lives will be taken right. 135 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: Another big case that hand across was one that mentioned 136 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: in some of the literature. This British psychiatrist by the 137 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: name of Randolph Parks that he did a whole paper 138 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: two thousand five looking at this twenty year old homeless 139 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 1: individual was not named at the study, but he was 140 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: actually going on dousing people with lighter fluid and setting 141 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: him on fire. Um and was he also had a 142 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: number of other symptoms like it was this guy was 143 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: was kind of out there because he was like hearing 144 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: breathing in his bedroom and seeing blood on the wall. 145 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: He reported having seen ghosts like people that looked like water, 146 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: so he was having hallucination. He was having hallucinations. So 147 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: on the light side, there's the porta potty pyromaniac. This 148 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: was in San Francisco a couple of years ago, and 149 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: he torched more than one t porta potties over two 150 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: month period and would do this primarily a night. Although he, 151 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,559 Speaker 1: I say he could have very well been a woman. 152 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: He or she was so bold enough as to actually 153 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: um set one on fire during the daytime, in which 154 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: you could see the porta potti combusting in all its glory, 155 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: with all of its elements flying through the air. Well. 156 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: You know, there's probably a study out there that we 157 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: should look at on on porta potty vandalizing in general, 158 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: because it seems like there's something about the porta potty 159 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: that that humans are compelled to mess with it. I 160 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: guess because it's this little room that's full of pooh, 161 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: and we there's something and everyone that wants to tip 162 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 1: it over or or hit it with a car or 163 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: catch it on fire. Right, No, maybe you I think 164 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: we just got a little insight there. Maybe I just don't. 165 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not a big porta potty fans, so 166 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: maybe it's part of my my rage against the Maybe 167 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: it's your fear. It's like you're trying to master your 168 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: fear of porta potties by imagining being tippled over. Like seriously, 169 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: I went into one recently and it had a graded 170 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: floor like a like a milk carton, like it had 171 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: holes in it. That's how how why did it pick 172 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,199 Speaker 1: us that long to figure out that a porta potty 173 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: needs holes in it so that it's not slick with mud, 174 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: uh and other matter when someone goes into it after 175 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: it's been up for a day or two. Well, I 176 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: mean that's there's always room for a progress, right, I guess. Yeah. 177 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: I told you how I was almost carried away in 178 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: one at Cochella one year. Right. It was. Now, granted, 179 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: it was not just a normal port port This is 180 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: why you have the fear, tell us it was. It 181 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 1: was not just a normal porta potty. They had those 182 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 1: two and they were disgusting, of course, But they also 183 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: had ones on the back of a truck, which is 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 1: like this this big. It's like a full sized bathroom, 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: you know, with sinks and all kind of fancy but 186 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 1: also kind of gross. Yeah. Yeah, And I had gone 187 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: in and I didn't know this, but they were closing 188 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: it up, and they were about to take it away 189 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: on the back of a truck with me still in it. 190 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: And then some guy I like, haller is something you know, 191 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: unintelligible that I can only call it a holler because 192 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: it was that, you know, unintelligible through the door, and 193 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: then shuts it. I'm like, I wonder what he's yelling about. 194 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 1: And so I finished my business and I rushed to 195 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: the door, and they're they're getting ready to haul it off, 196 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: probably to throw it over the edge of a canyon somewhere, 197 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: I guess. No, No, I'm just imagining that some sort 198 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 1: of elaborate plot to kidnap you and then they force 199 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: you into labor in some remote part of the world. 200 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: So I didn't I didn't necessarily want to start it 201 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: on a fire. But but but now you do. Now 202 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: you've got these feelings about porta Potti that you that 203 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: you are unresolved, that perhaps fire could help with Maybe 204 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: fire could help me with that. All right, Yeah, let's 205 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: swing back to the fire there that was. That's a 206 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: fun little party potty diversion. Um, okay, so what is pyromania? Right? Um? 207 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: That the term actually comes from French physician Charlos cretien 208 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 1: Um and it's malamuni incendiary apologies from my French, which 209 00:10:55,559 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: translates to insane incendiarism. Okay, so the terms kind of vague, right, Well, 210 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 1: it's in the same way that insanity is often a 211 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: term that is contested and and and depends on who's 212 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 1: throwing it around and who's receiving it. Uh. Yeah, you 213 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 1: look across the board and people have different definitions of 214 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: who qualifies as insane and who qualifies as a pyromaniac. 215 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: Which is really interesting too, because if you look at 216 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: this criteria of of what is a pyromaniac, there's a 217 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: very big lack of insanity in this list. Right, it's 218 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: kind of actually spelling out this story of someone who 219 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 1: is perfectly normal except really likes fires. Right and uh, 220 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,920 Speaker 1: and just to give another nod to how how loose 221 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: the terminology can be, the FBI organized and Advanced Fire 222 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Investigation Training session a little while ago, and uh, at 223 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,199 Speaker 1: the start of the meeting, they ask over six hundred participants, 224 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: which included fire agency personnels like insurance investigators, uh, you know, 225 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: police officers, mental health professionals, various Walks of Life to 226 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: write down their definition of pyromania, and not a single 227 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: definition was identical. Well, and this is part of the problem, 228 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: right if we have um discovered here and many are 229 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 1: discovering in the field, is that this it hasn't been 230 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: studied that well. And um, there's a lot of misinformation 231 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: out there that we'll get to. But so far, the 232 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: American Psychiatric Association is Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental 233 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: Disorders has set forth the following criteria for a diagnosis. Okay, pyromania. 234 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: And I can't help but think as we go through this, 235 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: let's think of of one of the more famous pyromaniacs 236 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: or potential pyromaniacs from popular culture, that being Beavis, Beavis 237 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: and butt Head, because as you remember, he was rather 238 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: enamored with the Golden Flame. Yes, well, and also Bart Simpson. Oh, 239 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: it's Bart Big into the fire. I think that's what 240 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 1: landed him in the in detention. Okay, Well, let's think 241 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: of Bart and Beavis as we proceed. Okay, alright, First, 242 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: the individual must have set fires deliberately and purposefully on 243 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: more than one occasion. Okay, definitely on the this and 244 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: I assume on Bart they've been that has been going 245 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: on too long for them to have gone to that 246 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: well more than once, I agree, and at least during 247 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: the episode that would have been many times. The individual 248 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: must be tense or exhibit outward emotional behaviors talking about 249 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: facial expressions, changes in voice, excitement before setting fires. Definitely this. Yes, 250 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: the individual must be interested in, curious about, fascinated with, 251 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: and or attracted to fires in their situations. I think 252 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: that kind of goes on That one's kind of silly 253 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 1: because that kind of goes with the territory. The individual 254 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: must experience pleasure, tension, relief, or gratification after setting fires 255 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: or watching fires in their aftermaths. Yes, this is obviously 256 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 1: the probably the biggest marker here, right, Yeah, Like it's 257 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: kind of like the whole thing, like a five. I 258 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: think there was like a Far Side cartoon where there's 259 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: a building burning and the people are turning and noticing, 260 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: like the dude that's just setting there with just wide 261 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: eyes and just loving every minute of it. Like that's 262 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 1: the guy that you're kind of suspect might have pyromania issues. Yeah, yeah, 263 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: the guy with the kaleidoscope eyes is definitely. Other psychological 264 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: disorders cannot better account for the individual's fire setting behavior, 265 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: manic episodes, antisocial behavior. Okay, So for instance, if they're 266 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: seeing things in the night bleeding walls and then decided 267 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 1: to go set hopos on fire, that's a byproduct. Yes, yeah, 268 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: we're talking about pure pyromania here. Yeah. Um, And then 269 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: the individual has no other motivations for setting the fire, 270 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: like financial gain. All right, this is this is like insurance. 271 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: I need insurance money, so I'm gonna burn my own 272 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: building down. Yeah, my restaurant is not doing that great 273 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: kitchen fire. Um. Expressing social or political ideas okay, Obviously 274 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: burning down building as a sign of protests, burning people 275 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: in effigy, right right, revenge or anger? Right, this is 276 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: I don't like you, you said something bad to me, 277 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: or I think or even like I perceive that you 278 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 1: wronged me in some fashion, So I'm going to burn 279 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: your cupical down. For any of the TLC hip hop 280 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: fans out there, Um, Lisa left dial Opez, I believe 281 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: burned down her fiance's mansion. Yes, right, it was in Atlanta, 282 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: so TLC before well or I guess after the Learning Channel, 283 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: but I'm thinking, yeah it was TLC, right, Um, I 284 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: was thinking of the show because I'm not as familiar 285 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: with all the TLC programming, so I thought maybe there's 286 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: like a pyromania ladies. Yeah, and you know I've got 287 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: one foot in there, so that you thought, Julie, she's 288 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: just fun TLC dot com again. Um enough a kick boss, Julie. 289 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: Um okay, So hiding other criminal activity, concealing a murderer, theft, right, 290 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: getting rid of a body by burning it. Yeah, something 291 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: dark like that. Improving his or her living circumstances, which 292 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: I don't really get that. I get the financial gain, 293 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: but you would think that would be one and the same. 294 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Responding to delusions or hallucinations or pair judgment, dementia, mental retardation, 295 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: alcohol or dragon toxic what is improving his or her 296 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: living So it's kind of like, you know, this living 297 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: room is great, but I feel like it would be 298 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 1: better if I've learned that. Yeah, it would be really 299 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: shabby cheek if I could just you know, get a 300 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: little singe to some of this furniture. Um also that 301 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: the individual must not exhibit intoxication, criminal motivation, or other 302 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: criminal psychiatric disorders. So when you take all of this, 303 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: it's purely like this that that that one point, which 304 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: is like number point number four, then the individual must 305 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: experience pleasure attention really for gratifications. So that's really at 306 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: the heart of this matter. Um. And just as a 307 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 1: little side fact, in the US, only three percent of 308 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: suspected arson fires lead to conviction. Okay uh. And then 309 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: from slate dot com The Science of Pyromania, they say, 310 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: maybe the true arson prone pyromaniacs are still roaming the streets. 311 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: Some evidence suggests that arsonists tend to be non assertive 312 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: offenders who internalize their anger with fires, enabling them to 313 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: avoid face to face confrontation. Such evasiveness also makes them 314 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: difficult to study. So what they're kind of what what 315 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: all this is painting right here, is that it's very 316 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: hard to study who a true pyromaniac maybe, and in fact, 317 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: there's probably a lot of crossover from arsonists to pyromaniacs. Um. 318 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,439 Speaker 1: And you know, if you kind of lift some of 319 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:15,400 Speaker 1: these constraints, especially the alcohol part. Right, if someone's using 320 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: alcohol and they set a fire, that doesn't necessarily mean 321 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: that they're not a pyromaniac, especially if they did that 322 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: seventy times over the last four months. Right, I was 323 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: looking at this article from the American Institute of Forensic 324 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: Education that was talking about characteristics of quote, juvenile fire setters, 325 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: because the whole thing is you're gonna have juveniles who 326 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: are setting fires and they are not necessarily pyromaniacs as 327 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: as we've do you know, discussed um given these constraints. 328 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,439 Speaker 1: Uh So, some of the examples they lay out in 329 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: this article include the experimental curiosity fire center. And this 330 00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: is generally somebody younger than seven and and they're generally 331 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 1: after they set the fire, they're generally quite upset by it. 332 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: And it's more of a product of lack of supervision 333 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: and easy access to fire setting materials. So this would 334 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: be like, you know, you leave a cigarette lighter around 335 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: a um, a six year old, there's nobody watching him. 336 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: Of course he might set something on fire. That's why 337 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,959 Speaker 1: you don't leave the fire making implements around when when 338 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: they're on their own generally, right, Like, you know, we 339 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: leave an ax around my nephew and he starts chopping 340 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 1: in a tree with it. It doesn't mean he's an 341 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: act wheeling maniac. He's just a kid who season acts 342 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: and nobody's watching, so he's gonna start swinging it's just 343 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: what they do. It's true. Then there's the thrill seeking 344 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: fire center and this is eleven to twelve years old. 345 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,639 Speaker 1: Um and uh this tends to be interrupted by the 346 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: time they reach sixteen or seventeen, the article says, and 347 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: uh and it, but it can become more dangerous over time. 348 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: They're generally doing other bad things, and they tend to 349 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: enjoy the drama and the chaos that the fire creates. 350 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: And they they're often good manipulators. Their shallow, they're selfish, 351 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: they like a moral compass, so they're a little bit narcissistic, right, 352 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: and this is definitely one can see, like they say, 353 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 1: becoming a more serious threat. It's not just a kid 354 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: playing with fire. It's a kid playing with the emotions 355 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: that a fire um evokes. And people right in realizing 356 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: that they can get attention from this or pleasure from this, 357 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: from the attention that the fire gets, because the fire 358 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 1: always gets attention. It's pretty true. Um. Then there's another 359 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,680 Speaker 1: color classification, delinquent fire setter, and this is eleven to 360 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: twelve year old and and generally these are these are 361 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: individuals who uh set the fire. And then they're denying 362 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,640 Speaker 1: personal liability for the fire. They're blaming others, and it's 363 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: generally more of a hyperactivity and impulsive things. So it's 364 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: kind of a um, a continuation of that experimental curiosity, 365 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: but that has more than just you know, lacking control 366 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: over and the impulse control is pretty important. Impulse control. 367 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: And so they're like, I'd like to set a fire 368 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: and bam, they're already setting it. Uh. Then there's then 369 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: they also classify revenge fire setters. And so again this 370 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: according to what we discussed earlier, this would not be 371 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: a pyromaniac. But this is why it gets so murky, right, 372 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: because it's been studied in many different ways and labeled 373 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: in many different ways. Right, these would be this would 374 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: be like a fifteen year year old or older. And uh, 375 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: they may be taking revenge against the society, a person, 376 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: an institution of taking their group. It could be perceived 377 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,880 Speaker 1: wrong or a real wrong. Um. And uh. These fire 378 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: setters generally expressed anger before the fire and relief after. Um. 379 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: They often come from intact families with cold, withholding parents 380 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: in a paranoid way of thinking. That's really interesting again, UM, 381 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: I mean I keep seeing markers of narcissism because usually 382 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: with people who are ncissistic. They have parents who have 383 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: turned away from them, which makes them turn inward and 384 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: began to become you know, the seats of narcissisms begin 385 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: to grow. So that's sort of interesting to hear that. Cool. 386 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 1: And then the the other category that they lay out 387 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: in this article disordered coping fire setters and this is 388 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: generally early childhood on set um and the these these 389 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: are tend tend to be very dangerous. Uh, this is 390 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: a situation where fire is a learned response to stress. 391 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 1: They're generally male, and these fire set as they experience 392 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: problems with with pretty much every aspect of their life. 393 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: They would come with a from a history of violence. Uh, 394 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: there's you know, abuse, neglect issues at home and uh, 395 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: they will set a fire up say every day, and 396 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: in the size doesn't matter. It might be you know, 397 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: just burning something in the sink or setting fire to 398 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: a tool shed. Um. Uh, you know, it doesn't matter 399 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 1: to them, but setting the fire like that lowers the stress. 400 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: It's like it's just stress reliefs mechanism. That's pretty interesting. Um. Alright, 401 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: so we're gonna take a break, but when we get back, 402 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about what Freud, Prometheus, and penises 403 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: have to do with fire. Yes. This podcast is brought 404 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:55,919 Speaker 1: to you by Intel, the sponsors of Tomorrow and the 405 00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: Discovery Channel. At Intel, we believe curiosity is the spark 406 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: which drives innovation. Join us at curiosity dot com and 407 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: explore the answers to life's questions. Alright, we're back. So Prometheus, 408 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: of course, was the fire bringer from mythology who brought 409 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: he was a Titan, brought the secret of the fire 410 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: down from the gods who overthrew the Titans, and uh, 411 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,159 Speaker 1: and shares it with humans so humans can do all 412 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 1: these things that we were talking about, like cooked food 413 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: and dropping napalm and uh. And burned down all the 414 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: shrubbery around a pond so they can eat the animals 415 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: that drink from it. And uh. He ended up finding 416 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: himself chained to a rock while an eagle feast son 417 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: is liver right, right, But the liver grows back and 418 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: so each day his liver becomes a meal again. So 419 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: that's a great punishment. Um. But so he smuggled the 420 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,400 Speaker 1: fire in a hollow Fennel Stock and Freud our man. 421 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: Freud saw this as a penis symbol. Ah, and this is. Yeah. 422 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 1: This is from the Slate article about pyromani and it 423 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 1: says uh. Psychiatra's Candice Germane and Michael Lejoy explained it 424 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: as um sort of invoking the mechanism of reversal, so 425 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: he he suggested. Freud suggested that it was not fire 426 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: that man harbors and his penis, but the means of 427 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: extinguishing fire the water of his stream of urine. But 428 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: Freud also saw a more bid curiosity of fire is 429 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 1: being related to excessive nocturnal and ursus bedwdding and children, 430 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: with the erotically tinged warmth associated with ambient urine, essentially 431 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: trapping problem bedwetters, and the phallic stage usually reserved for 432 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 1: three to six years old. Of course, Freud shuts up 433 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: on the scene. Yeah, and it's it's interesting that you 434 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: did mention the whole peeing on the fire, because I 435 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: don't remember ever peeing on a camp fire, but I 436 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 1: know that was that was always a big deal in 437 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: boy Scouts. I would say that if if I had 438 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 1: the plumbing, I probably would do that, but I don't, 439 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: so I can see how how that would be interesting 440 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: to do. Another thing from that Slight article was really 441 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: interesting is that in the eighteenth century, German physicians were 442 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: convinced that fire setting tendencies were primarily in affliction of 443 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: teenage girls with low i q s, and that that 444 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: that burning things gave these girls an outlet for their 445 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 1: sexual frustration ah, and they fuel lost right fire lust, 446 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: which you know, I think has actually come to uh 447 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,119 Speaker 1: paint the way that we understand pyromania, because a lot 448 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: of people have taken this idea of paramedics as sociopaths 449 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,679 Speaker 1: and people who are sexually disgruntled and they're just working 450 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: out their their fantasies there um their sexual problems so 451 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: on and so forth, which we know is not necessarily true, 452 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,159 Speaker 1: but of course that's that's what really rings well with 453 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: a story. In fact, there's something called the mcdomenal triad 454 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: and UM. It's basically this correlation of animal cruelty UM, 455 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: which has been linked with obsession with fire setting and 456 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 1: bedwetting beyond the age of five. So if you have 457 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: all three of these traits or these behaviors, then you 458 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: probably have more sociopathic tendencies. At least that's what the 459 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: reasoning is. So you can understand why this idea of 460 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: um of paramaniacs, is sexually frustrated or bedwetters came came 461 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: to rise in our minds. Um. In fact, we know 462 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: that this is a problematic suggestion that you these three 463 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: behaviors creates a sociopathic tendency and a person. And in fact, 464 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: we recently found out in the book by how Herzog, 465 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: some we eat, some we love, and some we hate 466 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: that this association with serial killers and animal cruelty is 467 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: just pretty much plain wrong. Right. It's all about the 468 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 1: child sort of testing the boundaries and and figuring out 469 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: where they where they rank in relation to animals, right, right, 470 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: And in fact, it's really common for kids to um 471 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: has some sort of level of animal cruelty or experience 472 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 1: with it because they are trying to master this position 473 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: of power in their life and try to to suss 474 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: it out for themselves. But according to how Herzog, the 475 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,439 Speaker 1: majority of people who abused animals as children do not 476 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: grow up to be violent, and eight percent of serial 477 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: killers do not have a known history of cruelty to animals. 478 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: And he found this out by a myriative studies. UM 479 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: that we're taken out, Um, definitely there are prisoners sociopathic 480 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: prisoners that they studied and they really found no correlation there. 481 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: It's interesting the you know, I'm thinking about like children, 482 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: young children sort of discovering, uh, these things for the 483 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: first time. I'm discovering the whole I can be cruel 484 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 1: to an animal and what does that mean? And how 485 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: do I relate to the animal? And then discovering lying. 486 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: We discussed lying and then one of the other podcasts 487 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,679 Speaker 1: and uh and about discovering that power the ability to 488 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: say something that isn't so and therefore alter the perceived 489 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: universe of another person or in themselves. And then the 490 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: fire kind of fits in naturally with that. To discover 491 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,439 Speaker 1: this ability to create this strange substance, to to create 492 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: it or control it, or to just release it onto something. 493 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 1: And uh, you know you can just imagine like a 494 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 1: young mind, like what what they must think of fire. Yeah, 495 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: it's another opportunity to either empathize or to destroy. Right. 496 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 1: And I wonder to how it about about pyromania, how 497 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: it how it factors into different walks of life, because 498 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:34,920 Speaker 1: there are certain there's certain um places in the world, 499 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: certain families in the world. I mean, it varies depending 500 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: on on your your upbringing. How exposed to fire you are. 501 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: I mean, for some you're gonna be you're gonna be 502 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: seeing fire every day. You're gonna be playing in the 503 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: fire from an early age. While in other households or 504 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: or environments, the fire is not going to be something 505 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: that is readily available, especially if you know there are 506 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: no smokers around, the camp fires around, if everything is 507 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: just you know, like like electric heat. Well, I think 508 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: that's why it's so hard to understand and to study, 509 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: because it is colored by a person's perception. And there's 510 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: not all I mean, other than setting the fire. There's 511 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 1: not a lot of, um, you know, a common thread 512 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: between people who are pyromanics. I mean, there are accounts 513 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 1: of people who like, for instance, and think about this 514 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: one guy who's a pyromaniac and he um, he had 515 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 1: it for him. It was a sexual release and he 516 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: had some but he had some very um important problems 517 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: mental disorders that led him to create this association between 518 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: sex and fire. For instance, you know, he had a 519 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: strange relationship with his mom and she made him put 520 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: his hand on a burner to understand that it was hot, 521 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: And there were all these instances of fire throughout his 522 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,959 Speaker 1: young adult life. That he began to map against his sexuality, 523 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,720 Speaker 1: which then came out in fire setting. So but that's 524 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: particular only for that one person, right, Um, but again 525 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 1: very hard to understand, very hard to study. True piroma 526 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: is actually really rare. We're talking about less than one 527 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: percent to about four percent of arsons and uh. And 528 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: then there's a whole other area that comes to mind 529 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: when we're talking about pyromania um, or rather people who 530 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: are really into fire but not necessarily pyromaniac. Like I've 531 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: been to several different festivals or events where you have 532 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: people that are really into fire, like, they're into using 533 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: like stunt burned suits, they're into building their own flamethrowers. 534 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: Theres right right and and uh and and they love fire. 535 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: There's no denying that these guys and gals really um, 536 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: at least figuratively, get off on the idea of catching 537 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: things on fire, including themselves. Uh yeah, yeah. And you 538 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: look for any you know, images from from any given 539 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: say burning man and pyromaniac, and we're rather I'm using 540 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: the terminal loosely, but people who are really into fire, um, 541 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: they tend to really seek those events out. Yeah, you 542 00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: know burning man, that keeps coming up, and someone that 543 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: suggested we do a podcast on it, so I don't know, 544 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: maybe we can find a science angle there. Yeah, well 545 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: we've discussed there that there are plenty of scientists at 546 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: Burning Man. That's right, that's right. You can you can 547 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: just go, I think give them like twenty cents and 548 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: ask an astrophysicist a question. Yeah. Um, there's a booth there. 549 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 1: What we're suggesting that you can go and visit and 550 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: and not only just enjoy the Burning Man, but also 551 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: learn more about the physical world. The Burning Man. It 552 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: sounds like like kind of like if somebody's grandma, we're like, 553 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: are you going to the Burning Man this year? The 554 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Burning Man? You're talking about the effigy that they burned, right, yes, yes, 555 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: the big giant one at the festival that people would 556 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: like writhe uncontrollably in front of And and again I 557 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: think it comes back like the reason people get into 558 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: that though, and uh and and I love the idea 559 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: of a huge bondfire because it's it's like, it's a 560 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: story of human civilization. It's the it's people gathering around 561 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: its fire, something they create, something they create. It brings 562 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: warmth that I'll allows them to digest different food that 563 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: gives them power over the elements and over the other 564 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: creatures of the earth, and then on the outside, the 565 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: darkness of the unknown, of the dangerous, of the unexplored. 566 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it just stirs something deep within us, right, 567 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 1: and it really complements peyote Alright. So, what we do 568 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: know about pyromaniacs, or what we suspect is that it 569 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: is an impulse control disorder, much like kleptomania or pathological gambling. Right, 570 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: So how do we treat it? Behavioral therapy? So far, 571 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: that's that's what most psychologists are thinking. But in a 572 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: two thousand six letter to the editor of the Journal 573 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: of Clinical Psychiatry, psychiatrist John Grant reported a case of 574 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: one patient who fit the clinical definition of pyromania, the 575 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: one that we talked about um and Grant was able 576 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: to examine the brain of his patient with spect imaging 577 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: and found a region in the left inferior frontal portion 578 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: that had a low blood flow. So the patient underwent 579 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,840 Speaker 1: three weeks of daily behavioral therapy and a daily regiment 580 00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 1: of topium rate, which is an anti convulsant used to 581 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 1: treat treat the seizures, and during that time, the patient 582 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: reported a substantial decrease in his urge to set fires. 583 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: And then when doctor Grant reimaged that the patient's brain, 584 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: he found that that area was was no longer there, 585 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: that the problem with the low blood flow no longer existed. 586 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: So there's this idea that it could be biological. I'd 587 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: also read that if we were had to treat it 588 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: like UM an impulse control disorder such as pathological gambling 589 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 1: or cleptomania, UM, we might look at the serotonin centers 590 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: of the brain. UM, we might be able to treat 591 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: them with the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors. Okay, yeah, basically 592 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: any depressants. Yeah, basically try to replace that behavior with 593 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,200 Speaker 1: the feeling that the reuptake inhibitors would give them, right, 594 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: or the seratonin or maybe you get them. Really unto 595 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: the idea of using flamethrowers at big events in the desert, 596 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean maybe that's that's right. Maybe 597 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: they get to put the torch to the burning man. Yeah, 598 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: So there have it U pyromania. And we actually you 599 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 1: actually threw the question out on our Facebook group what 600 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 1: is your relationship to fire? And so we definitely would 601 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: like to hear from everyone, Like, really, you don't have 602 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: an excuse to not have an opinion on fire. It's 603 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,200 Speaker 1: not like it's not like we're asking about an Obscure 604 00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: Doors album or something. We're talking about fire. So you know, 605 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,080 Speaker 1: I'm very curious, like how did how does your upbringing 606 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: relate to it? Like for me, it's like I remember 607 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: like early on, we would go on camping trips or 608 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: or my dad would be grilling, you know, on the 609 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: back porch or something. So there was always not always, 610 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: but there was frequently fire around and I definitely played 611 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: in the fire. Yeah, and we got some really great 612 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 1: responses on Facebook. Um, and everybody did have a different experience, 613 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: although you know, some people were aunt colors like I was. 614 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: That seems to be a common theme. So so yeah, 615 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 1: let us let us know about that. And if you 616 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: want to find us on Facebook, just do a search 617 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: for stuff to blow to the mind. That's how you 618 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: find us on there. Uh. And well when we're also 619 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: on Twitter as below the mind. Uh, And we have 620 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: to take those pretty regularly. But I'm getting ahead of myself. 621 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: Let me reach into the listener. Male back here real quick. 622 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: Thank you robots, Laura writes in and says, Hi, Robert 623 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: and Julie in regards to your comments on Japanese dollwomen, 624 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 1: probably my favorite synonym for Lolita and living with robots? 625 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: Can we build a better bot? I must correct Robert 626 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: in that the darker sister of lo Lolita is referred 627 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: to as Gothic Lolita. This is defined as a style 628 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: similar to Lolita, which is the way of dressing as 629 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: though one is an often female Victorian child, complete with 630 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: many many lace frills through mixing, as the name suggests, 631 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 1: a dark color palette. Though it is most popular in Japan, 632 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: I am a frequenter of a few Gothic Lolita stores 633 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,720 Speaker 1: in Europe in the Great Duss Morgese Board of Camden 634 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,959 Speaker 1: Market and speak for my own experience. Just to clear 635 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000 Speaker 1: things up, Thanks for providing an informative and mentally stimulating podcast, Laura. 636 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I got that a little mixed up there. 637 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: I think I was thinking of Kauai the whole like, 638 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,720 Speaker 1: and I may be saying that Kui call the cute, 639 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,400 Speaker 1: and then there's Kawaii nor the which is dark cute, 640 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: So this is similar, but it's uh, yeah, this is 641 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: the Gothic loluga. So they like she said, frills, but 642 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: black frills. Just on a side tangent here too. When 643 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: we were doing research for this, my eye landed on 644 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 1: something called coro. I hope I have that right ka 645 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: o r o, which I from what I understand, and 646 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 1: I didn't pay a lot of attention to us because 647 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,799 Speaker 1: it didn't really relate to this podcast, but it is 648 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: Japanese and it's sort of a weird thing is that 649 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: there's this idea that your genitalia can retract, and there's 650 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: this irrational fear that they may just completely retract into 651 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: your body. Yeah, so there you go. I don't know, 652 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: maybe maybe we need to do a podcast on irrational 653 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: fear so I can understand that. Yeah, well it was 654 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: one of the things I was like, that is bizarre, 655 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: but yeah, I could understand have have somehow that could 656 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:54,919 Speaker 1: get in someone's mind and you would start to really 657 00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: fear that, especially as a child. Yes, yes, well they're there. 658 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: There's a whole host of years that can be associated 659 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 1: with with genitalia as a child, especially if nobody bothers 660 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,040 Speaker 1: to explain to you what he is going on with 661 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,399 Speaker 1: him or should be going on with them. But that's again. 662 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so maybe that's an 663 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 1: upcoming episode. I don't know. So, Hey, so someone wants 664 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: to We already talked about Facebook and Twitter. What if 665 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: someone wants to send us some email and have the 666 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: robot bring it to us? Oh? Very easy. All you 667 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,360 Speaker 1: have to do is send us a line at Blue 668 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: the Mind at House to works dot com. Be sure 669 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,760 Speaker 1: to check out our new video podcast, Stuff from the Future. 670 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: Join the House to Work staff as we explore the 671 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: most promising and perplexing possibilities of tomorrow.