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Speaker 1: Y'all. The new year is fast approaching, and I am

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Speaker 1: telling you twenty twenty six, we got big plans over

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Speaker 1: a week releases. Now listen before y'all get upset, Doctor

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Speaker 1: Priya and Josh are going nowhere. What we're gonna do

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Speaker 1: is once a month have them with us, and it's

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Speaker 1: going to be incredible. But you also have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to meet them in person. In twenty twenty six, that's right, honey,

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Speaker 1: we are hitting the road. Zone seven is teaming up

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Speaker 1: with Body Bags and Crime Stories and we are doing

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Speaker 1: a national tour called the ten eight Tour. We're kicking

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Speaker 1: this thing off in Atlanta January twenty third, twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: at the original Zone seven Manual's Tavern. Good stuff coming up,

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Speaker 1: see y'all in twenty twenty six. It was not just

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Speaker 1: snowing on January the seventh, nineteen eighty one, y'all, It

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Speaker 1: was a blizzard. That's the night that Lonnie Rogers vanished,

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Speaker 1: vanished from Hayfield Township, Pennsylvania. Her daughter Alison Dyker, always

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Speaker 1: believed something horrible had to have happened to her. She

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Speaker 1: knew her mama would not have left her and her brother.

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Speaker 1: Even though she was little, she was only five or six.

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Speaker 1: She knew that she knew that connection, She knew that

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Speaker 1: love that cannot be denied. Alison knew that things were

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Speaker 1: not right when she was told old her mom left

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Speaker 1: behind her hearing aids, her glasses, her medication, and her car.

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Speaker 1: Remember now it's a blizzard. Where is she going without

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Speaker 1: those things and more importantly, without her children? Y'all, we

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Speaker 1: have waited on this episode. I have wanted to talk

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Speaker 1: to Alison for a long time, but we waited till

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Speaker 1: it was right. And tonight is right, y'all. I have

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Speaker 1: the privilege to welcome Alison Dyker to Zone seven. Alison,

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Speaker 1: how are you, honey?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. Thank you so much for having me. It's

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Speaker 2: nice absolutely.

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Speaker 1: You know. I like to always start by you telling

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Speaker 1: us about your mama.

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Speaker 2: It just got a warm fuzzy. She was beautiful, beautiful,

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Speaker 2: blonng blonde hair like golden blonde. She was always smiling

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Speaker 2: she would just light up a room like, people would

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Speaker 2: gravitate to her. And the most interesting thing is all

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Speaker 2: of this would take place, and she was deaf, so

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Speaker 2: she could read lips, so she could still communicate and

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Speaker 2: it didn't make people or other It was also difficult

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Speaker 2: for others, but it didn't make people shy away from her.

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Speaker 2: I know now, like if I see someone or hear

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Speaker 2: someone talking Spanish, I don't necessarily feel comfortable approaching them

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Speaker 2: because I don't speak Spanish. But that was not the

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Speaker 2: case for her. Even though she, you know, signed, people

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Speaker 2: from you know, when people tell me that they knew

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Speaker 2: my mother, it's always that she was the shining, you know,

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Speaker 2: ray of sunshine, and that she loved music, and she

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Speaker 2: be surprised to hear dancing, but you know, they say

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Speaker 2: That she could feel the vibration of the music and

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Speaker 2: truly feel the music like none other. And my grandfather,

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Speaker 2: her father, was a dance instructor, and my mother was

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Speaker 2: his partner. When he did lessons, he brought my mother

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Speaker 1: That is remarkable. So she literally just had a light

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Speaker 1: think it shows through the photographs.

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Speaker 2: I believe that too. Like when I look, you know,

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Speaker 2: I wrote a book, as you know, and the cover

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, but she does. She looks so beautiful. She

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Speaker 3: Yep. So tell us when did you.

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Speaker 1: Decide to write the book A daughter's Journey, a story

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Speaker 3: When did you decide to do that?

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Speaker 2: So it was something that I had always kind of

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Speaker 2: Before she wrote that book, she reached out to me

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Speaker 2: grant her permission to include my mother's story in the book.

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Speaker 2: And oddly enough, I felt two different ways. One I

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Speaker 2: And so shortly after her book was published, I wanted

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Speaker 2: But it's hard to find time. I'm also a teacher

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Speaker 2: I made a commitment to myself and to my mother

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Speaker 2: I was going to write this book. And I had

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Speaker 1: And you know, when you talk in the book about

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Speaker 1: it just you're right there as a mama, like you

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Speaker 3: Quiet, it was just us.

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Speaker 1: I could, you know, hear all about their day and

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Speaker 3: You know, it's fair.

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Speaker 1: So even the way you started the book, you had me,

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Speaker 1: and then you went into the thickness of this cold

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Speaker 1: is a journey of resilience that is properly named. But

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Speaker 1: I tell you, y'all, you need to get the book.

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Speaker 1: You need to hear what Allison went through because we

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Speaker 1: need to know every bit of it. So here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: You knew who your dad was, You know what happened

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Speaker 2: Yes, So the night that she disappeared, my parents had

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Speaker 2: been in an argument. You know, they were separated. He

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Speaker 2: actually came back to the to the apartment to live,

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Speaker 2: you can come and stay, but after the holidays you.

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Speaker 2: And he came. The holidays took place, and he refused

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Speaker 2: after day, and on the night of January January sixth,

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Speaker 2: so this is January sixth. She went to my grandfather's

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Speaker 2: now is three twenty dollar bills and he is sixty dollars,

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Speaker 2: and he handed her three twenty dollar bills. She you know,

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Speaker 2: they you know, had dinner together, arguing happened, and a

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Speaker 2: and you know, unusual.

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Speaker 1: Sounds, and both of your parents were hearing impaired. Yes,

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Speaker 1: they so when they argued, you could tell it, oh.

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Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. And a lot of that is

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Speaker 2: like when they're arguing, they're like for someone who's deaf,

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Speaker 2: to get each other's attention, they you know, bang on

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Speaker 2: know they turn around to find out, you know, what

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Speaker 2: is needed. But if you're arguing, you're not just like

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Speaker 2: So there was a lot of noise because of the arguing.

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Speaker 2: guttural sounds like yelling in brunts almost because their vocabulary

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Speaker 2: So I my mother was just disappeared, didn't know where

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm upset. It's cold, it's leading rain, it's

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Speaker 2: He drives all the way to Erie, ignoring me crying

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Speaker 2: And she wouldn't let me go there. So I didn't

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Speaker 2: And I thought, oh okay, sure my teacher won me

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Speaker 1: What a miracle?

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Speaker 3: What can you believe?

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Speaker 2: It is not insane?

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Speaker 1: And I've heard the story before, but every time you've

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Speaker 3: A who does that? Who does that? And then the

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Speaker 2: It's insane that.

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Speaker 2: Right, well, you know what, that was divine intervention.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I han't. I feel the paper and I say,

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Speaker 2: I would have my own bedroom. What you know, They're

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Speaker 2: I really believe that a lot of who I've been

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Speaker 2: They didn't tell me that they didn't want me, or

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Speaker 2: we put this work into you because you were worth it,

434
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: and you were going to go out and become somebody.

435
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: And you're not just a teacher. You're a special education teacher. Yes,

436
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: you yourself gravitate to those kids that other people find difficult.

437
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: Other people don't want to necessarily put the time in.

438
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot of work, but it's a lot of

439
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: love and you get it back well.

440
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: And I feel like I was destined. I mean, again,

441
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: a lot of who I am is because of the

442
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 2: teachers who took an interest in me along the way,

443
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: and I absolutely had to pay that forward. I'm honored

444
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: to pay that forward and love on my students the

445
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 2: way I was loved.

446
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 4: One.

447
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 1: You reached out to me years ago and said, hey,

448
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, I know about the Cold Case Institute. You

449
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: think you could help me, And you told me the story,

450
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: just like you've done tonight, and I said, well, let

451
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: me look into it.

452
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 3: I'm not sure what I can do.

453
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: You and I both were super upfront and honest with

454
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: each other. We both believed we knew who did it,

455
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure what I could do because we

456
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: didn't have a body, there was a lot of evidence,

457
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: we didn't have a lot of things we didn't know.

458
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: So I thought, well, let me think about it. And

459
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: something came to me, because every time I talk to you,

460
00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you would say things like I think I can't really

461
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: remember this, maybe that I don't know. You would say

462
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: those types of things to me, So I thought, you

463
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna throw this at her and

464
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,479
Speaker 1: let's see what she says. And I said, hey, you know, Alison,

465
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: I've got a crazy thought and I just want to

466
00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: see if you're open to it, and you were like, what, girl,

467
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: what do you got? I'm up for anything, I said, well,

468
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: I think hypnosis might help you, maybe some of your stuff.

469
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: You have suppressed it and hidden it to save yourself.

470
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: And honey, you were like, I'm gonna jump on a plane.

471
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: I'm coming to Atlanta. Let's do this thing. But this

472
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 1: is where it gets another hand of God moment. I

473
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: didn't know a hypnotist, but I thought, well, nothing ventured, right,

474
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: So I call this woman, Monica Miller.

475
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 3: I had never met her. She had no idea who

476
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: I was, no idea who Allison was.

477
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: And I thought, if I can keep talking, maybe I

478
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: can convince her. Well, I didn't have to keep talking.

479
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: She was lovely and she was like, if there's somebody

480
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: that needs my help, I'm going to help them. Can

481
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 1: you get her to Atlanta? I said, girl, she's on

482
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: a plane, she's already coming. And you know what struck

483
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: me about Monica was this woman went to the University

484
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: of Florida. She worked in finance, but then she decided,

485
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I need to help people. I need

486
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: to help people on a different level. And she changed

487
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: the course of her career. And so not only did

488
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: I reach out to her and get a yes, which

489
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: was crazy. She didn't charge anybody, she didn't want any money,

490
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: she didn't even want no credit. And I thought, this

491
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: is an incredible person and this is who Alison needs.

492
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: So I pick her up from the airport. We go

493
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 1: straight to Monica's office. Y'all. The first thing this woman does.

494
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: If any of y'all have ever had like a really good,

495
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: expensive professional massage, you know how you walk in and

496
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: the lighting is perfect, and they've got some you know, fabuls,

497
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: the candles going in some fantastic sin you know what

498
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, Like you know you're in the right place.

499
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: That's how her room felt. But she not only invited

500
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 1: Alison in, she invited me so I could see it,

501
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: so I could understand. This is for comfort. She is

502
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: safe here, this is a place she can relax. And

503
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: if she's got any memories, honey, they're gonna come about.

504
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: So Alison and I thought it would be great tonight

505
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: if y'all could straight here from Monica Miller. So it

506
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: is a absolute honor for me to welcome Monica Miller

507
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: to Zone seven.

508
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 5: Thank you, thanks for having me.

509
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 3: Are you kidding?

510
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, Monica I witnessed something that to this day

511
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: when I tell the story, knocks people out because, y'all,

512
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: here's another cool thing about Monica. I was in the

513
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: waiting room and I thought, well, I say, waiting room, lobby,

514
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: whatever it was. I felt like, this person that I

515
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 1: care about is gone in there for some type of

516
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: procedure and I'm waiting to see whether or not it's

517
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,479
Speaker 1: going to work. Well, you know, I don't know if

518
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: it's going to be forty minutes or two hours or

519
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: five hours. I have no idea. Well, Monica was so fantastic.

520
00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: She texted me the whole time. And Monica, I got

521
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: to tell you, I thought that was super thoughtful of

522
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: you too, not to leave me hanging and not like, well,

523
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if she's remembering something horrible and needs

524
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: some type of comfort. Is she going to hold her

525
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: hand or is it not working and she's going to

526
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: be super disappointed? Like I needed some type of heads up.

527
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: But you were just fantastic.

528
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 5: Oh well, I'm glad that was helpful. You know, the

529
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 5: sessions the way I work with people can be so deep.

530
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 5: It's really hard to put a clock on it or

531
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 5: a timer. So if there's a family member or you know,

532
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: sometimes it's a it's a younger person or a concerned relative.

533
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 5: I'll say, Okay, it's going to be like around three hours.

534
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 5: But then if it moves, if the needle moves longer

535
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 5: or shorter, I try to let everyone know because it

536
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 5: is really a waiting game where you're like, are they okay?

537
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 5: Did she kidnap them?

538
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 4: Right?

539
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: Right?

540
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 5: Because remember it, Alison, it went. It went closer to

541
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 5: almost four hours with it.

542
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 4: It did?

543
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: It Sure did. That's what I was going to say.

544
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: And it was just a comfort to me, you know.

545
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: And here's the way I've described this, and Monica you

546
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: jump in and correct me, but this is the way

547
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: I kind of saw it. All of us have memories,

548
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: and you may have a memory from fourth grade or

549
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: twelfth grade. You'll never remember it, but then a song

550
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: will come on, or you'll smell something, or you'll see

551
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: something and you're like, oh, I remember that, Like it

552
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: takes you right back. So everybody sub level has got

553
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: memories that if the right thing comes about, you're going

554
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: to remember it immediately. Is that accurate?

555
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 5: It's a what a perfect description of how hypnosis can work,

556
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 5: because you just you get into that timeline or that space,

557
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 5: or even the feeling. You know, it can be a feeling.

558
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 5: Oftentimes people are coming to me for something different, like

559
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 5: an emotional struggle. You trace the feeling and the body

560
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 5: back to what started it. And that's what you know

561
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 5: we were doing that day with Alison. It's like, let's

562
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: trace you back to this moment in time and then

563
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 5: open that up and expand it.

564
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:30,400
Speaker 1: But trauma, I mean, whether it's sexual assault, child abuse,

565
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: your mother being murdered, whatever it is, you're going to

566
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: have memories that maybe you don't even allow yourself. I'm

567
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: not going there. I'm not going to think about it.

568
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: If I start to think about it, I'm gonna do

569
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: something different. I'm gonna sing a song. I'mingll go for

570
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: a jog, I'm gonna pat a dog. I'm gonna do

571
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: something so I don't have to remember it. But it

572
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: is there, and you got her in a quiet, beautiful

573
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: space with perfect just lights sounds. I mean, I thought

574
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: it was if it was ever gonna work, it was

575
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna work with you.

576
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: That's all I can tell you.

577
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: I'm glad. I'm glad. I'm glad you both had that

578
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 5: trust in me. You know, it's for me if i'm

579
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 5: you know, I get it from my grandfather. I don't

580
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 5: say yes to something if I'm not going to do

581
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 5: it to the absolute best of my ability. I don't.

582
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: I don't, you know, go halfway into things. So if

583
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 5: I say I'm going to help, I'm going to do

584
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: everything I can that's within my abilities to help.

585
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: Well, you did, and I think that you know, you've

586
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: got other expertise, like with yoga and whatnot. And I

587
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: think when people are super in tune to mind, body

588
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: and spirit, it can show. And I think again, I

589
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: don't know how to really say what this experience was

590
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,720
Speaker 1: for me, other than to say I knew instantly watching

591
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: the two with y'all that it was going to work.

592
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 3: I knew it.

593
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: So Alison, why don't you tell everybody what happened, what

594
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: came from it?

595
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 2: Well, I want to say, I you know, I was

596
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 2: super nervous to do this, but with this case, I

597
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: was willing to do anything. Just the way you described

598
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: it is exactly how I felt at that point. I

599
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 2: had been toying with that idea. Several people had had

600
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: mentioned maybe you should do hypnotism, but I was too afraid.

601
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: I was too afraid to take that step because I

602
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: didn't know what was locked in that head, and I

603
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: felt like I was five, almost six. I was their ears.

604
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 2: The chances of me seeing or hearing something are pretty high,

605
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: and I wasn't sure if I really did or not.

606
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: Going there, I was super anxious and nervous because I

607
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: what was about to take place. But as soon as

608
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: I got into her room, it was exactly the way

609
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 2: you described it.

610
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: It was.

611
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 2: It was calm and peaceful and quiet. It was serene,

612
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: you know, the lighting was perfect. It just made you

613
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: feel like you're walking into a big hug.

614
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, I.

615
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 2: Didn't feel nervous anymore walking into that office. I you know,

616
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 2: I sat down, you know, and got comfortable, and we

617
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: got right at it. I don't think right at very long.

618
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: It wasn't long for my phone ding I had a

619
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: text from her and Monica. I got to tell you.

620
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: I remember even making a joke after you were so

621
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: gracious to let me come in and got to see

622
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 1: everything and laid out how it was going to operate.

623
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 3: I remember joking with you, I don't want to leave.

624
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 3: I want to stay in this room and just relax.

625
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 5: You're next to them.

626
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: Because it was just that welcoming and that calming.

627
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 2: It was.

628
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,240
Speaker 1: It was unbelievable. But Monica, why don't you walk through

629
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of how you work? Like just like

630
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: we know because we were there, but like, what did

631
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 1: your process?

632
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 5: Well? So for this particular case, I knew we were

633
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 5: going back to a time and date. So you know,

634
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 5: oftentimes I'm working with someone and say it's you know,

635
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 5: for you know, confidence or anxiety or panic stuff, which

636
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 5: is pretty common on my schedule, we're going with a feeling.

637
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 5: Well with Allison, we had to go to a time

638
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 5: and day, so it was really taking a direct timeline

639
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 5: back to that night. And a funny thing that happened

640
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 5: when you both arrived is y'all surprised me. I had

641
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 5: no idea that Allison was a CODA, a child of

642
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 5: deaf adults. So I then instantly, right there in the lobby,

643
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 5: I looked at you, Cheryl, and I was like, uh, information,

644
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 5: that would have been good to know because and I

645
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 5: joked with you and I'm like, I'm like, you're lucky

646
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 5: you showed up to me because because I was like,

647
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 5: we are going to have to handle this differently because

648
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 5: I knew instantly that Alison telling me, you know, was

649
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 5: about five years old. I'm like, you became their ears

650
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: and their translator. And I knew that would be how

651
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 5: her life was lived up into that point. And I

652
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 5: also knew that whatever we went back and found that

653
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 5: it wouldn't be a kid listening through the wall to

654
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 5: hear words like if you don't shut up, I'm gonna

655
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 5: but you know, she's not gonna have that. So I

656
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 5: knew that the information that we would get would come

657
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 5: differently because she saw the world and hurt it differently

658
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 5: than her parents.

659
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: Oh that's a great point. That's a great point.

660
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, So that really had to be taken into consideration,

661
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 5: and and I knew Alison was nervous. So part of

662
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 5: my process is, you know, really know the whole story

663
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 5: as much as I can for the event or the

664
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 5: feeling or the issue we're trying to resolve, know everything

665
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 5: around it and all the key players. So in this

666
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: the key players is Alison, her brother, her mom, her dad,

667
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 5: because this is a night of and on top of that,

668
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 5: I know that generally if someone hasn't done hypnosis before,

669
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 5: they're going to be anxious or nervous, and excitement also

670
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 5: can feel the same as anxiety or nervousness, so there

671
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 5: could be a part that they're excited about, but also

672
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 5: because it's unknown, it comes off as anxiety or nervousness.

673
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 5: Is to say to someone a line I use often

674
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 5: and I used it with Alison. I'm like, the worst

675
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 5: thing you've ever been through in your whole entire life

676
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 5: up until this moment, right here and right now, you've

677
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: been through it, and here you are. You've made it.

678
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 5: So we know there's nowhere to go but up, and

679
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 5: there's nothing to do but find out more information than

680
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 5: perhaps you're aware that you know. And the mind is

681
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: like a black box. It'll lock things in and if

682
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: it's part of a traumatic event, it might push that

683
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: away because it's to protect you. And so our deal

684
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 5: that day was to let's do everything to find a

685
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 5: place of safety and comfort, of interest and curiosity to

686
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 5: pull out data that might have been sort of stuffed

687
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 5: away in the subconscious mind. Let's see if we can

688
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 5: work together to pick this lock. And so that's often

689
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 5: how I work with that kind of stuff in mind.

690
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 5: And Alison, it did a really cool thing. She brought

691
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 5: the book in. Do you remember that, Alison, you brought

692
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 5: the book in my book. Yeah, you brought it in.

693
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 5: You showed it to me.

694
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 3: Oh I forgot that.

695
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a really important part because you went to

696
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: put it away. I said no, no, no, no, don't

697
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 5: put it away. I sat it on the console. I

698
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 5: left it sitting upright and open. And your book was

699
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 5: staring at us the whole time.

700
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. And the cover of that book is

701
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 2: my mother's face and it looks like she's looking at you.

702
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 5: Yes, And the cover of that book told more of

703
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:56,240
Speaker 5: the story that you had somehow within you known because

704
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 5: it's what led you to pick that picture. And we

705
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 5: talked about that in the end, which was really cool.

706
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 5: But we let yeah, we had the book standing up

707
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 5: there as a part of the process, like let her

708
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 5: in on this, let her be here. I mean, she's

709
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 5: you got the note in your pocket.

710
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,879
Speaker 3: That's right, amen, Amen, she's how you.

711
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 5: Got that note in your pocket. You know, when people

712
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 5: leave us, there's the you know, energy can't be created

713
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 5: or destroyed. They just go into a different form, often

714
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 5: not the like spooky ugy ghost thing, but they go

715
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 5: into a different form. And in her own way, she's

716
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 5: still around, and you know, she placed something into the

717
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: heart and the mind of your teacher that day, and

718
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 5: that's how on that day you got the note. And

719
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 5: so things like that are the reason why I'm like,

720
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 5: let her like, let her be a part of this,

721
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 5: let her hang out, let's see what happens.

722
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: You want to know something crazy, Well, of course I do.

723
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 2: I have the book sitting right here next to me

724
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: in case they have to reference it. And she's looking

725
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: at me right now while we're having yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, yeah,

726
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: it happens.

727
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: It happens absolutely, and you know, it's one of those things.

728
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: And Monica, I'm sure you know this, but Alison, I

729
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: don't know if you do. But the FBI actually trains

730
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: their folks if they're stuck on a case or they

731
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: can't get past some type of point in an investigation,

732
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: to literally sit still in a quiet place. They even

733
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: encourage people go sit in your closet like no windows,

734
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: no distractions, get steal and get quiet and you may

735
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: have an epiphany. So on every level, this works. I mean,

736
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,880
Speaker 1: it just does if you allow it to work and

737
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: you're with somebody that can help you, like Monica did.

738
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: Because again, it wasn't long before I got that first

739
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 1: text message, and then it wasn't long before my phone

740
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: was ding ding ding, So things were happening and she

741
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: was keeping me updated. But do you want to tell.

742
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 3: Some folks about the snow on the car?

743
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: I want to say I was cut a little skeptical

744
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 2: going into this too, Like I totally wanted it to

745
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 2: work and was willing to do the work and whatever

746
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 2: needed to be done, but I wasn't sure what I

747
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: thought or believed about hypnosis, Like I don't know, you know,

748
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: kind of sounds hokey, but hopefully it works. So I

749
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,879
Speaker 2: was open to it, but wasn't convinced that I would

750
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 2: have results. So it was a very pleasant surprise. I

751
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: would say that I felt like I was just relaxing,

752
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 2: you know, I was just I think you even said that, Monica.

753
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: You were like just relax, you know, and leat and whatever,

754
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:52,439
Speaker 2: and to kind of fast forward to what you were

755
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: just mentioning the snow. I often felt felt like or

756
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: I often had memories of random things like we all do,

757
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 2: and I wasn't really sure where it fit in my life,

758
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: you know, in the timeline, I didn't know where things fit.

759
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: And I guess, like when I have talked about this

760
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 2: process and this experience. I have said that it's not like,

761
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, this you know, thing came out of

762
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 2: nowhere and I remembered something, And maybe it is for

763
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: other people, It just that wasn't it for me. I

764
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: felt like you walked me step by step by step,

765
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 2: you know, holding my hand all the way through it

766
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: and said then what happened? Then what happened? So I

767
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 2: felt like the memories that I had were put in

768
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: time order, and when I was done, I was like,

769
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, I didn't realize that's where that memory fit.

770
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 2: And when we were going through the process, I had

771
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,960
Speaker 2: remembered like my mother had this cool, you know, blue

772
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 2: Mustang and it was like a sports car and in

773
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 2: the winner, she didn't really drive it that much for

774
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 2: obvious reasons, and I remembered there was snow on the

775
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: back of the the back of her car, and I

776
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: just didn't realize that it was that night that that

777
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 2: memory came through. And the only way I was able

778
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: to like time order that was because you took me

779
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: step by step, and you know, I remember saying, you know,

780
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: like he brought us down the stairs. It was you know,

781
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,240
Speaker 2: he was holding Aaron, you know, in his arms, holding

782
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: my hand, taking us down the stairs, and that I

783
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: looked at the at her car before we got into

784
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 2: his car, his Bronco, and I noticed that there was

785
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: snow off the back of the car, like the trunk,

786
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: so to speak. And I I remembered that because it

787
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: was snowing like crazy, and I could tell how much

788
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 2: snow had fallen because there was like a ledge, like

789
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: when you wipe off a ton of snow. There's like,

790
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: you know, a ledge of snow, so you could see

791
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 2: how much has fallen. And I didn't realize that that

792
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: memory I had had before was that night. So in

793
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,720
Speaker 2: that moment, you know, it's snowing like crazy, He's putting

794
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: us in the car, and I look over and notice

795
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 2: that the trunk of her car, snow had been wiped

796
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 2: off of it. Huge, huge, too.

797
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 5: Huge, right, And you know, by going through a timeline

798
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 5: like that, the really cool thing is is you're sort

799
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 5: of looking around and in that moment, in the truth

800
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 5: of that moment, yes, you're only five years old, but

801
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 5: once again mom and Dad had a huge fight and

802
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 5: it was big and it was loud for you, and

803
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 5: you know, you were listening because at one point you said,

804
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: you know, Dad came down the hallway and was like,

805
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 5: made you get in bed. You know, he kind of

806
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 5: saw you peeking. And you might only be five, but

807
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 5: by the age of five, you're walking, you're talking, you're

808
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 5: looking around, you're seeing the world, you're hearing the world.

809
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 5: You're aware, and you were suspicious. You were like, what

810
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 5: has gone on here? You were suspicious, and you were

811
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 5: taking in because again, you are their ears. So you,

812
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 5: as a five year old, are having to listen to

813
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 5: big conversations and basically translate back to them and talk

814
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:41,399
Speaker 5: to the other people. You're being forced to pay more

815
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 5: attention to the world around you in a kind of

816
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:49,640
Speaker 5: adult way than most other kids would be. Yes, And

817
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,879
Speaker 5: so I used that. I was like, heck, yeah, we're

818
00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:55,840
Speaker 5: going to use it because her observancy is going to

819
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 5: be more than just like, you know, a little kid

820
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 5: who's never seen trauma, who doesn't have to think about, like,

821
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 5: let me help mom and dad explain to the grocery

822
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 5: store guy what they need. It's very different. So I

823
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 5: was like, we're going to use this.

824
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 3: It's a tool.

825
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 5: And the cool thing about going through the night piece

826
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 5: by piece is you were right back in it as

827
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 5: that child. But also it's the grown up you. The

828
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 5: grown up Alison was there, I'm using prompts okay, and

829
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 5: then what happens next? What do you see? What do

830
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 5: you hear? And the grown up you is almost right

831
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 5: there holding hands with the little one and saying okay.

832
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 5: So you know, this is how.

833
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: It can be.

834
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 5: Even if it's you know, like Cheryl you had mentioned,

835
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 5: if it's you know, something trump traumatic or terrible, you're

836
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 5: almost once removed. I always say there's a big difference

837
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 5: about being like someone who's in a war or sitting

838
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 5: in the front row of a movie theater watching a

839
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 5: movie about war. You are once removed. And those things

840
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 5: go hand in hand, which is why I explained to

841
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 5: Alison straight a had them in it. You know, she

842
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 5: you know, put her by in my chair. I said,

843
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 5: the worst thing that's ever happened to you know, the

844
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 5: whole entire life has already happened, and you've made it through.

845
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 5: So now let's see what we can get from it

846
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 5: if taken.

847
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: Us well, when you sit in me that text as

848
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 1: an investigator, I'm like, he transported her in her own car,

849
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 1: So that tells me he took his car to take

850
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: the children to the babysitter, but then used her car

851
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: to dispose of her.

852
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 5: Or that's where he put It's where he put her temporarily,

853
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,439
Speaker 5: don't you know.

854
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,879
Speaker 1: Either way, But in my mind that's where I went immediately,

855
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 1: and I'm like, of course he did. That's why Febe goes, oh,

856
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: well she left. I saw her driving down Main Street

857
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: at whatever time. So you know, I just appreciate everything

858
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 1: that you did, Monica, because you know, I knew that

859
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: he was my number one. I know that he was

860
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: Allison's number one, us big. But her memories and then

861
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: the next text that I got that was pretty chilling

862
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: was that she knew there were all these loud sounds.

863
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: There were loud sounds and they suddenly stopped, so she knew.

864
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: She even knew in the timeline when her mom was

865
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: killed in that house, she knew.

866
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,399
Speaker 5: And like I said, because she was a highly observant

867
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 5: child because of necessity, when she and her brother were

868
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 5: being marched out of that house by their dad in

869
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 5: the middle of the night, she was looking around. And Alison,

870
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 5: when you looked around the house and you observed everything,

871
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 5: what observance of absolute mayhem? Did you see nothing? You

872
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 5: were like, it looks everything's fine. You didn't see you

873
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 5: didn't see a mess, you didn't see blood, you didn't

874
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 5: see things talcked. It seemed eerily quiet and perfect, and

875
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 5: that can tell a story of how he committed this act.

876
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 6: You, rookie detectives, if you were working with somebody who

877
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 6: is a coda, as Monica says, child of deaf adults,

878
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 6: be sure to tell everybody on your team, because I

879
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 6: don't think that would have dawned on me to tell you.

880
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: I guess I thought it would come out if necessary.

881
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: But I just learned something good tonight, So I appreciate

882
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: you again. Monica, still training and Alison, I'll tell you, you know,

883
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: I do think you were brave. Fear did not stop you.

884
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: You and I, you know, both joked that neither one

885
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 1: of us had ever used hypnosis. I've had plenty of

886
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: victims that had suppressed memories and with counselors, and I

887
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,840
Speaker 1: learned all about disassociation and whatnot. But I had never

888
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: used hypnosis, and I tried to use it myself once

889
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy four, but I failed. I got my

890
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,120
Speaker 1: dad's pocket watch and went back and forth in front

891
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:21,240
Speaker 1: of him so that he would buy me a mini bike.

892
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 3: But it sounds.

893
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 5: It was a worthy effort.

894
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,360
Speaker 1: He never was a worthy effort. But he was not

895
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 1: like Alison. He was not open to it, so he

896
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: wouldn't get with the program. But again, Monica, you know,

897
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: your generosity and your expertise is so appreciated. I mean,

898
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 1: I will be forever grateful for what you did for

899
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: Alison in this case. And Alison, your bravery, your willingness

900
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: to get on a plane and trust somebody you had

901
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 1: never dealt with. Really, you didn't know me much better

902
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: than you new Monica. And I just know that your

903
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: mama is so impressed and just probably a little knocked

904
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,879
Speaker 1: out by everything that you have accomplished. But before we

905
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: in this, Alison, tell everybody about the phone call.

906
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 2: I have worked and worked and worked. I've networked. I've

907
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: done podcasts and interviews and everything I can think of.

908
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 2: I've gone to conferences and crime different things, wrote a book,

909
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: you know, everything I could think of. And I was always,

910
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 2: you know, just battling with what do I do next?

911
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: And here I am like, well, you know, I'm packing

912
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: for an Irish dance competition that I was taking my

913
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: daughter to the next day in Milwaukee, and my phone

914
00:54:54,040 --> 00:55:00,279
Speaker 2: rings and it is the State Police. And I I thought,

915
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 2: what in the world at eight thirty at night, the

916
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: night before a holiday. No less, you know, it's the

917
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 2: night before Thanksgiving. My phone rings and it says state

918
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: Police on it, and I thought, well, that's weird. So

919
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 2: I answer it and it's the investigator who was in

920
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania working my mother's case. And you know, I say hello,

921
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:30,279
Speaker 2: and I I feel like the right descriptor is the

922
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown teacher, because you know, he says this is

923
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 2: this is trueer gible and and I'm thinking, okay, And

924
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 2: he said, we interviewed Bud today, and I said, oh, okay.

925
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking he's going to tell me something obviously,

926
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:50,600
Speaker 2: or he wouldn't be calling me the night before that's

927
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:53,399
Speaker 2: useful or beneficial, or it's got to be good news,

928
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,919
Speaker 2: because why would you call me now? But never did

929
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 2: I imagine the words that came out of him his mouth.

930
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: I don't think in my entire life I have actually

931
00:56:05,800 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: fathomed what those words would sound like. And he said

932
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 2: to me, brace yourself, Alison. We interviewed Bud today and

933
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 2: he confessed Mic drop, but I don't think I heard

934
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:30,479
Speaker 2: that right what And you know, he couldn't get into

935
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 2: the details or specifics, but he said he wanted me

936
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,400
Speaker 2: to know that he was at that moment that he

937
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: was calling me, he had been arrested, was in police custody,

938
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: and that night was being arraigned for homicide and aggravated assault.

939
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Absolute miracle. Like people in my situation don't hear those words,

940
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 2: Like people don't hold on to that that crime for

941
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 2: forty four years and wake up one day and decide

942
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,239
Speaker 2: to tell the truth. It's unheard of, correct, But.

943
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 3: Just like everything else in this case, it's unheard of.

944
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:16,440
Speaker 1: So that to me was.

945
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 3: A fitting ending.

946
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 1: And I could not wait to reach out to Monica

947
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: because she deserved quickly before.

948
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,920
Speaker 3: Thanksgiving to know what happened too.

949
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 1: And it was a great thing to be able to,

950
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: you know, communicate with both of y'all.

951
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:37,480
Speaker 3: And what a Thanksgiving, oh my god less indeed.

952
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 5: And that explained to me, I was like Cheryl's reaching

953
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 5: out to me on Thanksgiving Day? What in the world?

954
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 5: And now now I know why I didn't know it

955
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 5: as the night before, My goodness, Wow, it was one.

956
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: Of the best Thanksgiving, and you know, all of your

957
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: posts and the way people were supporting you, and and

958
00:57:57,960 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, even all these years, Alison, the way you

959
00:58:01,320 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 1: have moved, the way you have operated, the way you

960
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: have stayed true has has been something to watch too.

961
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: So I just appreciate you both. I am great.

962
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 2: That's all my mama in me.

963
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,400
Speaker 1: I hear you. I believe it one hundred percent. Lonnie

964
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 1: deserves the credit, there's no doubt. But I do want

965
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: both of you to know we will do another one.

966
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: We will have an update when we can and when

967
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: Alison can share everything after the court process. So just

968
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: just wait. There will be a part two.

969
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:32,439
Speaker 3: And I'm going to tell.

970
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:34,120
Speaker 1: You right now, y'all ain't gonna be ready for that,

971
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: so you won't believe it. We will go and we

972
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: will continue to celebrate Thanksgiving. But Monica Miller, thank you,

973
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Alison Daker, thank you, and congratulations.

974
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 7: Honey, thanks for having me, thank you so much. Congratulations, Alison,

975
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 7: thank you, and thank you for all of your hard

976
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:55,200
Speaker 7: work and all of this.

977
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 5: Oh you're You're welcome, and I'm you know, I'm interested

978
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 5: to see what other details come out, because we had

979
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 5: some we had some heavy guesses. But I guess maybe

980
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:08,680
Speaker 5: we'll possibly.

981
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 3: Know, y'all.

982
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 4: I'm gonna end Zone seven the way that I always

983
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:18,240
Speaker 4: do with a quote, allow yourself to see what you

984
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 4: don't allow yourself to see, Milton Ericson.

985
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.