WEBVTT - Black Hair Part 2 w/ Stacey Ciceron & J. LeShae 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.520 Positively Gam is sponsored by Vasiline. See how they are 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:14.160 working towards equitable skin care for all at vasiline dot com. 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.639 You still need to know how to do finger waves 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:22.280 and and and Roller says not to say depending on 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:24.319 what part you are in the country. I was getting 0:00:24.400 --> 0:00:26.600 Ray say, I don't talk about finger ways because finger 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:30.720 waves are huge. And Baltimore still how style is still 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.160 to be trying to give me finger ways and I'm like, no, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.040 I do not want finger waves. I hate them. We 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:43.080 can see and she does it very well. What's up, everybody? 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:46.879 I'm Gammy and this is Positively gam. Every week I 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:50.879 have raw, in depth conversations with inspirational people pushing for 0:00:51.040 --> 0:00:56.480 change on everything from aging, relationships, politics, wellness, to the 0:00:56.520 --> 0:01:00.639 current issues facing the black community. In this episode, we're 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.279 going to continue my discussion on black hair with Jay 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:07.119 lash and Stacy Ciseron. So if you miss part one, 0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:10.560 check out the previous episode where we dive into the 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:14.319 history of black hair. So I want to welcome back 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:18.320 to part two of our conversation on black hair. We 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:24.279 have Jay Lasha once again and Stacy Cseron. Welcome back, ladies. 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.160 Thank you for joining me again. Hey, thank you having us. 0:01:28.640 --> 0:01:35.480 I want to talk about hair care. Let's start with you, Stacy. 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:41.959 When I think about hair care, I think about spiritual practices. 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:46.320 I also think about self care as a young man, 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.600 a young woman, and I'm thinking that the audience is 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.600 mostly women, but I never like to leave my guys 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:57.240 out because they're into it. Two honey, okay, But self 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.000 care on a spiritual level with so important, and self 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.200 care on a physical level is so important. And as 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.320 I'm getting old and trying to preserve the sexy honey, 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:12.840 it's becoming quite obvious that it takes education and takes knowledge, 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:17.399 it takes interest. And where does this interest really come from? 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.600 You know, is it being modeled to us? Are we 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.640 learning it in schools? Are we learning it from friends? 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:26.920 Are we learning it on social media? It really is 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:30.480 something that we have to step up and do. And 0:02:30.520 --> 0:02:33.919 in our last conversation, we spoke about where did this 0:02:34.040 --> 0:02:36.720 come from? Is this something that we wanted to do 0:02:36.840 --> 0:02:38.960 on our own, or we're just trying to impress people, 0:02:39.040 --> 0:02:40.960 or is this something we want to do for self? 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.440 And it built down to self this Your body is 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:48.079 your temple, like you said, your hair is your crown. 0:02:48.200 --> 0:02:51.519 And if you can look at self care in that way. 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.600 It should definitely trigger some type of interest in in 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:58.040 yourpe on your behalf, not you, but us as a 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.960 whole to want to be able to lovate that, to 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:04.560 connect with ourselves and to really embrace our personal power. 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.639 So hair care for me, it's it's a bigger than 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:13.440 just aesthetics and it's about connecting with yourself and honoring yourself. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:17.160 What do you think, Jay, because I have to say 0:03:17.200 --> 0:03:20.840 that personally, I think that I've taken my hair for granted. Yes, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:24.320 I'm gonna be honest about it. I've never it's hair, 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.840 my hair. You cut it off, it'll grow back. That's 0:03:26.880 --> 0:03:30.320 always been my my my thinking about my hair. I 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:33.240 never really had an issue with my hair growing. I 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:37.480 never had that much concern about my hair because it 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.840 pretty much did you know, I wanted it to do. 0:03:40.440 --> 0:03:44.320 I had really long hair growing up until I was 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:47.360 about I don't know, in my thirties. I did the 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:51.920 whole permit to keep it managed. I wish that I 0:03:52.040 --> 0:03:55.880 had the amount of product that we have now to 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:59.160 help manage hair because if I think, if I had 0:03:59.240 --> 0:04:02.600 known better, I would have done differently. But all I 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.880 knew was too you got a lot of hair on 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:07.360 your head, you need to permit so that you can 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.120 manage it. And once you start that permit, it changes 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.600 the texture of your hair. So then your hair just 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.920 becomes this street. And now I stopped permiting my hair 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.320 years ago because I got tired of permitent I cut 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.320 it off, and so then you don't have to permit. 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.480 But then, like I talked about all the dying, just 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.200 once again, the dying and the chemicals that are in 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:35.680 dye will change the texture of your hair. And so 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:40.440 I just don't think that I ever really cared that 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:44.760 much about my hair. I'm so glad that you brought 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.680 that out, because that's a whole different conversation that we're 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.640 having based on the needs based on different hair types. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.800 Whereas where we hair has me for moisture, has a neat, 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:02.000 it's very fragile, although it has a course appearance, it 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:05.200 needs its own product, it needs its own care, and 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:09.040 whereas wavy and pearly here has different needs. So yeah, 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:12.200 that might be something that you that needed little maintenance. 0:05:12.440 --> 0:05:16.960 But my point is even outside of styling or having 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:20.240 some kind of regiment, it is taking care of yourself 0:05:20.279 --> 0:05:23.680 and your hair is a part of that, because the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.880 other part of the conversation is that, yeah, you could 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:29.479 have taken it for granted because you didn't have the 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:36.159 extra drama of having to have that coiled here. Yeah. Yeah, 0:05:36.279 --> 0:05:41.200 like my journey is very different than Willows m M. Yeah. 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:44.760 I will say in this regard, I do feel pretty 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.240 privileged and an interesting to say this because again, like 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.360 having someone from the beginning who understood how to take 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.880 care of my here in its natural state. It I 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:59.599 didn't realize that until you ask this question. Honestly, how 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:02.240 that's set me up for a completely different life as 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:04.960 a black girl and black woman. I didn't even pay 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:07.080 attention to that, and that is something I took for bread, 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:10.480 having a woman my mother who could lay me across 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.640 her last bray my hair. Know what products? Do you 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.520 know how to water to make it sliable? No, exactly 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.120 what it is to make it beautiful and healthy and 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.800 and easy. So I've always experienced my hair, not always 0:06:22.960 --> 0:06:25.400 mostly most of my life I experienced my hair is 0:06:25.440 --> 0:06:27.960 something that I could manage and do. I will say 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.720 the period that I relaxed my hair and then went natural, 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:37.840 relax or does change our texture? And so there were 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.880 several years where even while it was natural, it had 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:45.440 to grow out from whatever seek into my scalt because 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.159 it was still affecting how it came out, and so 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.279 it made it rougher, but it made it even more brittle. 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:55.120 So I had to learn a lot about how to eat, 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.080 how to nurture my hair, like I had to nurse 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:02.040 it back to life over several years to get it 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.880 to a place where it could be healthy. And I 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:05.920 think the other thing saty. You and I talked a 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:08.760 little bit about the natural hair boom that happened from 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:14.760 on there were only small communities that made their own 0:07:14.800 --> 0:07:18.920 homemade products. So we're coming of age. I'm coming of 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.760 age in a time where in the beginning the only 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.920 thing that was available was like relaxers and and chemically 0:07:25.960 --> 0:07:30.240 based products or straightening care. There's a lot available for 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:34.120 black hair in its natural stage. So we're experimenting trying 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.440 to use those products on our natural hair, and it's 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.960 not working. And so I had frustration points been too, 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:42.880 because it wasn't like, what's going on, This is not 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:44.680 my hair is not softened, but and so I just 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:47.960 thought I had quote unquote bad oh, it's actually really 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:51.960 soft and it's actually very it's more manageable this way. 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:54.240 But I had to throw it out, I had to 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:57.440 eat differently. So it is a physical process for sure. 0:07:57.560 --> 0:08:00.119 It's definitely also a spiritual process because the other thing 0:08:00.560 --> 0:08:04.640 we didn't talk about this, but I'll mention it hairstylence. Oh, 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:08.360 and making sure that you have a hairstylist, because there's 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:13.920 a good friend um. Hairstylists, the people who really understand 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:17.000 your hands. It's really critical. Even when we go back 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:21.000 to our innsuch for roots. Again, the hairstylists was a 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:24.320 sacred person in the tribe. They were considered the most 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:28.880 honest and trusted person, and they're almost like a priest 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.000 in our history. And if you think about today, think 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:36.800 about how sacred we hold our hairstyles. Hairstyles some of 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:40.800 us will fly, I will fly, So my hairstyle is there. 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.319 And so having someone who is in relation with you 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.319 in a way that there's an intimate relationship with your hands. 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:51.040 Everybody's hair is different. There isn't a such thing ago 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:54.319 her hair is just like No, there might be some similarities, 0:08:54.320 --> 0:09:07.560 but there are differences and we have to understand those. Now, 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:09.840 this is a good, perfect question for me, and what 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.120 happens to our hair as we age. There's again there's 0:09:14.120 --> 0:09:18.520 no one size fits all answer with that because different 0:09:18.559 --> 0:09:22.160 people are affected by different things. So as we get older, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:25.640 our bodies are depleting itself at a more rapid rate 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:30.480 of vitamins and nutrients, and we're losing different things that 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:34.400 are sometimes out of our control, whether it is hereditary, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:38.440 whether it's hormones, whether it's stress related. And let's let's 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:40.520 face it, I know I ask me from my household. 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.240 Majority of us in our household are not getting the 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.600 proper nutrients through food. So aging, the effects of aging 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.839 is asked for the person takes care of themselves. So 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.840 you find that sometimes people are getting thinning. As the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.080 gray hair or the white hair comes in, it becomes 0:09:57.280 --> 0:10:00.280 way more resistant. It doesn't want to take cut, doesn't 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.320 want to take color, doesn't want to take style. So 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:06.240 the main two things that are happening hereditarily, they are 0:10:06.559 --> 0:10:10.160 suffering from androw genetic alopecia or male pattern or female 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.640 pattern balnus. So you will start to see some thinning 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.680 in the crown or in the front of their hair 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:18.400 or even their hairlines. Some medications for high blood pressure 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:22.040 diabetes are causing God. Low iron is also causing God. 0:10:22.240 --> 0:10:24.400 And these are some things that that people are going 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.200 through as their aging. So am I gonna be put 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.840 in the position where I have no choice but to 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.640 stop dying my hair? Okay? Time will tell, So it 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:35.760 may and it may come. It may come where you 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:43.480 don't have the hair, don't want to be colored, and 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.679 it will will be for us to make a decision. 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:49.160 But hopefully if that time comes, you would already be 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.560 ready to see, be ready to submit. Yeah, you're like, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:56.320 you know what, I was gonna do it anyway, Okay, 0:10:56.320 --> 0:10:58.760 when we're gonna pray on that, let me tell you? 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:01.679 Can I just tell you do the gray or white 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:06.640 hair may be resistant to some lifting colors. You can 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.560 do a lot of fun colors with gray hair, like 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.480 those pastel pinks, blues, purples, like you could be the 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.640 hot mom blue before. I've done the blue before, and 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:18.199 I actually tried pink, but I looked like I was 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.640 going to the circus. I had to take that out immediately. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:24.000 It just did not work, and I probably was the 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:26.800 wrong color pink, but I just I didn't have the 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:30.760 patients to even try to tone it down. I was like, no, 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:33.440 just take it out. But the blue words, I actually 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:36.760 like the pale blue. And my sister has gone my 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:42.240 sister has gone lavender. Yes, on some skin tones, it's 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.439 just perfect if you have a cooler skin tone. Sometimes 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.319 the blue looks good. If you have a warmer skin tone, 0:11:48.400 --> 0:11:52.240 sometimes a rusty like a paste orange. Maybe you got 0:11:52.280 --> 0:12:07.000 a summer color, little winter color. Yeah. Now, Stacy talked 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:12.800 to us about because there's this way of identifying your 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.080 texture of hair for an what is that. It's a 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:20.080 language that started in the natural hair community. I believe 0:12:20.200 --> 0:12:22.199 I gotta do some fact check in on this, but 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.760 I believe Andre Walker wrote a book over twenty five 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.479 years ago about hair, and he created this number system 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:35.000 which refers to the different hair type straight, waving, curly, coilely, 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.760 and within that created a number system. The natural hair 0:12:38.800 --> 0:12:42.040 community then took that as part of their language. And 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.880 then how it evolved was that now stylists needed to 0:12:45.920 --> 0:12:48.880 be able to communicate with their clients and they had 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.440 to start to understand this, and so their product companies 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.880 because before like you can now pick up a bottle 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.080 curl cream and it will say for a type for hair, 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:01.600 or for a certain tire for fear, whereas five to 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:03.800 ten years ago you weren't able to do that. So 0:13:03.880 --> 0:13:05.760 let me just break it down a little bit. So 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.160 based on this number system, the number system is between 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:11.480 one to four. And I also want to preface Thisted 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:14.360 by saying this number system is starting to become a 0:13:14.360 --> 0:13:17.840 little bit outdated and antiquated because of the fact that 0:13:18.240 --> 0:13:21.760 it was a big deal to know this number system. 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.079 If you knew that you were four A, three B, 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:29.280 four C, that was honey, you cracked the Da Vinci code. Okay, 0:13:29.480 --> 0:13:34.960 but we now know that you mentioned in our last 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:38.800 conversation you have super fun straight here in the nape 0:13:38.840 --> 0:13:41.520 of your neck, you have a more curlier texture in 0:13:41.559 --> 0:13:44.720 the crown. You may have something different going on around 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.640 your hair, your front hairline, so we know that there's 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:50.520 different things going on. So you didn't really crack the code, 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:53.480 but you made the first step. Within this number system, 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.600 it ranges from one to four, one being the straightest 0:13:56.880 --> 0:14:00.559 or being the curliest, coiliest at each and each letter 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.320 refers to the degree of wave, curl, or coil. So 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:09.400 right now, the tightest on this spectrum, on this hair 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.920 type chart is four C. But like I said, it's 0:14:11.920 --> 0:14:15.320 a little bit outdated and antiquated because there's other patterns 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.680 outside of that. But what I really like about this 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:20.920 hair type chart is the fact that it makes it 0:14:21.000 --> 0:14:25.160 easy to communicate amongst each other, to find products and 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.400 to communicate with your hair stylists. Outside of that, you'd 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.200 still need to know some other pieces to the puzzle. 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:34.880 Like Jay, you mentioned that you tried the l OC 0:14:35.160 --> 0:14:37.880 method the lock method and it didn't work, and then 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:39.640 you had to reverse it into the l c O. 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.760 This is a moisture retention method. The reason why is 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.880 that maybe you have low perosity here. So along with 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:50.280 hair type straight, wavy, curlier, quily, you gotta know your density, 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:54.000 your perosity, and your hair texture, amongst other things so 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.600 that you just don't waste time, energy and money trying 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.360 to figure things out. It's no one size fits all, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.880 so you have to know your canvas that you're working on. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:06.520 You can't even rely on your sisters, auntie's cousins and 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.560 best friends. You really have to do your own homework 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:14.400 and again self discovery right, knowing yourself your hair, what 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.840 works for you. And that sounds like it's just a 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:23.880 lot of experimentation the product it's it requires experimentation, but 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:29.160 it it's easier when you know what you're working with. Okay, 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:34.000 So you're not making decisions based on Willows recommendation or 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.720 your sister or your cousin's recommendation. You're going in the mirror, 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.480 you're wetting your hair, You're seeing what hair type you have. 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.360 Is your hair dense or is it thin? Is your 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:47.120 hair forest or is it not? And then you're choosing 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:50.120 products based on the end result you want. So let's 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.840 face it, some people their goal is hang time. They 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.240 want long, healthy hair, but some people want short, edgy 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:58.520 and color in their hair. Are they going to follow 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.640 the same regiment? So it's always important, just like in life, 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.000 that you have intention and you have goals for your 0:16:04.000 --> 0:16:07.240 own hair and you choose the products accordingly. So in 0:16:07.280 --> 0:16:11.280 my opinion, that really helps to save time, energy, and money. 0:16:11.600 --> 0:16:15.120 But that matters because if you got that's that quickly, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:17.560 is the process right, you know how to help you 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:23.560 figure out going on exactly? So we're talking about hair care, 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:29.440 and just for me, my hair care routine is pretty simple, 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.080 and I just I don't know, make sure, I feel 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:35.680 like maybe I'm not doing everything that I ought to 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.200 do to take care of my hair, but my hair 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.760 is pretty healthy. If I have to work, I usually 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.720 will wash my hair the night before because I can 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:48.560 style it better when it's fresh and clean. And of 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:50.720 course when you're styling your hair, you end up putting 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.880 product in it. So like I'm working today, I don't 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:55.520 have to work tomorrow, but then I have to work 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.640 again Friday. I have to work again on Sunday, so 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:01.640 I'm gonna end up washing my hair on Thursday, and 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.399 then I'll wash my hair again on Saturdays. That's pretty 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.320 typical for me. Yeah, there are some women men that 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:10.760 got to throw my fellas in there, but there are 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.000 some people that they, like you said, they may take 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.480 for granted their haircare, but there's some things that could 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.840 be going on that they completely ignore because they think 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:27.320 it's supposed to happen, like finning, changing the pictures, alopecia, breakage, 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.040 and things like that. So those are things that you 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:34.120 just even though you don't have a high maintenance regimen, 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.879 there's still things that you want to keep your eyes 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.960 open for. And Jay said having a good stylist will 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:44.280 definitely help to reinforce that, but also reiterating there are 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:47.480 people who are in that type four or highly textured 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:51.000 poily hair that can't shampoo every two to three days 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.080 and then don't need to and they don't need to 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.440 and they don't need to. That's the other thing. Now 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.800 I am shampooing, but I am in all of that. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.600 There's conditioner that happening. I wear a head scarf when 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:04.359 I go to sleep at night, even though I have 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:08.399 short hair, I wear a scarf to tie my hair down. 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:12.240 And I also sleep on a satin pillow, and so 0:18:12.280 --> 0:18:15.680 that's for my hair and for my skin, for my face. 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:20.320 So that's good definitely, because after when we're talking about 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.720 the skin or the aging skin or the aging hair hair, 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.560 it's all about moisture retention and things you can do 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:29.920 to keep the elasticity. So things like satin or silk 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.720 pillow cases or satin caps are definitely great when it 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.960 comes to moisture retention and reducing the amount of friction 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:40.800 from your pillow or your sheets or external heat sources. 0:18:40.840 --> 0:18:44.960 I would say probably more than half of black women 0:18:45.000 --> 0:18:48.960 have experienced one or more of these issues like breakage, 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:56.840 traction alopecia, frizziness, and dry scout. Particularly traction alopecia, because 0:18:56.920 --> 0:19:00.800 I found that, Like I said, uh, this year was 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:05.560 the first year that I tried braids, and I absolutely 0:19:05.640 --> 0:19:11.159 loved them. However, I have to say that I was 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:18.120 in the chair for nine hours, and one time when 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.479 I got it done, it was so tight that I 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:23.680 had to take tyling on. When I got home, my 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:27.399 head was hurting, so my scout was hurting so bad, 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.119 and I could not sleep. I had to take tyling on. 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.280 It hurt to lay down. My head was so it 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.280 was so tight on my head. And then when I 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:40.080 took it out, I felt like I definitely was seeing 0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:47.800 breakage or it seemed like there was some receding at 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:50.760 my temples. And I don't know whether that's just from 0:19:50.880 --> 0:19:56.359 age or whether that was from the braids. So I 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:59.280 was a little confused because I thought that braids were 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.880 supposed to be a protective style. Their protective style when 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:08.119 you have a stylist, because me and Sacy, we're talking 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:12.000 about their situat that somebody who does hair m and 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:16.960 a science I just cared for here. They understand like 0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.399 how to make sure that what is happening is good 0:20:21.440 --> 0:20:25.520 for you, Like you can have braves that don't hurt 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:28.840 like they shouldn't hurt, and if they do, you need 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.440 to take those out. But people don't want you because 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:33.080 a lot of times I've been sitting hours and hours 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:39.600 You're like, omna word, exactly what for nine hours? So 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.920 I used to do braves and weeks when I was 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:45.520 doing here, that was my area of specialty. Everything to 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:48.680 do the protective styles. I love them, but now that 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.520 I don't do it when I give it by some 0:20:50.600 --> 0:20:53.080 other folks to be going to do. What I recommend 0:20:53.280 --> 0:20:55.359 is making sure that you tell your silence to do 0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:59.240 larger parties around the edges. Do not do the same 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.800 size day as they would in the thicker of course 0:21:02.040 --> 0:21:06.200 of your hair, because the weight of the extension hair 0:21:06.800 --> 0:21:10.639 can pool over time and then will pull your roots up. 0:21:11.200 --> 0:21:14.000 That in addition to any tension that the stylen is like. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:16.480 So if the style is is pulling too hard on 0:21:16.600 --> 0:21:18.760 your hair, it will pull your root up and you 0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.600 still cause you to lose hair and sometimes that can 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:24.840 be termitive. You want to make sure that whoever you're 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:28.960 selected to Dula Brave understand like they understand how to 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:31.359 take care of edges and how to take care of 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:35.119 the make because those are very like tender spaces on 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:37.840 our scalp end. Usually our hair is a lot thinner 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:40.280 and finer anybody's here, even those of us would like 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.679 really course hare our hair is a lot sinner around 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.000 the edges, and so we have to be very careful 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:48.600 about the weight that we pull, you know, that we 0:21:48.760 --> 0:21:51.280 put on it. And then additional to that, sometimes the 0:21:51.400 --> 0:21:54.600 length of the brains um can cause problems, and so 0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:57.520 we just have to be really thoughtful about the style 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:00.879 itself for our hair type as well if who is 0:22:01.119 --> 0:22:07.400 doing our style critical Protective styles got its name from 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:10.479 what it does, which is protecting the hair. A lot 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:13.480 of people that are looking to maintain healthy here or 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.760 grow their healthy hair wrong. The key to that is 0:22:16.840 --> 0:22:21.520 really moisture, retension, and low manipulation, and what the protective 0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:24.200 styles offer you is a way to take the break 0:22:24.320 --> 0:22:29.680 from manipulating the hair. That counts for combing, brushing, pulling, ponytails, 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.760 anything like that. So essentially, protective styles are supposed to 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:37.200 protect your hair and give you a break. But like 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:40.640 with anything else, too much of anything is just not good. 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:44.680 Too much tension, too much pulling, too much of anything, 0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.359 wearing it too long, it's just not going to be 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.280 good for the hair, and especially that your hair is 0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:54.240 more on the softer or finer side. Anything that has 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.560 that extra weight or egg has an extra tension, will 0:22:57.840 --> 0:23:01.479 have the ability to make be pulled and pull your hair. 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:03.959 So you may not have been seeing things. You might 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.520 have seen it correctly. And it's great that you are 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:10.639 aware of that because some women men will continue to 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:13.280 do that for the look and then end up receiving 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:17.760 their hairline back. And Jay said, sometimes those are effects 0:23:17.800 --> 0:23:23.879 are not reversible. Wow. Yeah, So what is the itching 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.800 all about? What is that is it? Is it just 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:31.560 because it's a foreign texture you I just don't get it. 0:23:31.640 --> 0:23:34.760 It's like, I'm all the itching and padding. You want 0:23:34.800 --> 0:23:37.480 to speak to that, Jay, I got my I'm rapid 0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:42.000 fire right here quickly. For me, I found like cleaning 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.359 the hair. So sometimes people take care straight out of 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.720 the bag and then start braiding with it. I actually 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:51.040 see that. It's very common practice, and I think that's 0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:54.520 not good to do, being the condition the hair, and 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:56.800 I think that's a part of it. Now that cuts 0:23:56.880 --> 0:24:00.240 down on all that itching cut down a lot. There's 0:24:00.280 --> 0:24:02.679 also just the regular maintenance because some of us are 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.920