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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody. Welcome to the Sticks, DJ, Bucky back

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Speaker 1: with you, Buck. How's it going, brother man? Everything is good. DJ.

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Speaker 1: You know how it is man. We're getting near the holidays.

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Speaker 1: We're in the midst of bowl season. Surprisingly, like you

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Speaker 1: look up in college bowls are being played and then

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Speaker 1: we're getting down to Christ time. Last two weeks of

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Speaker 1: the regular season in the NFL playoff, pitch is shaping up.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, things are good, really exciting. Yeah. Speaking of exciting,

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Speaker 1: we've got a great guest coming up a little bit

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Speaker 1: gonna dig it. It's one of the rising young stars

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Speaker 1: in the coaching profession, and that's Jamie Chadwell, the head

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Speaker 1: coach at Coastal Carolina. This is a a team that's

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Speaker 1: just been phenomenal this year, uh running their record to

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Speaker 1: eleven and oh um eight No in the Sun Belt Conference.

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Speaker 1: They won that including a win over ap State. I'll

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Speaker 1: say that quietly, but now they have been outstanding, playing

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Speaker 1: So we're looking forward to this. We've been trying to

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Speaker 1: we get there, Buck, we do have a big slate

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Speaker 1: of games of NFL games this week I want to

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Speaker 1: for some of these here. On on Friday, Christmas, we'll

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Speaker 1: be doing our thing with Amazon. You can find that.

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Speaker 1: You can find it on Twitch as well, which is

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Speaker 1: twitch dot tv. Slash moved the sticks. Uh. That is

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Speaker 1: Viking Saints. That's three thirty. Uh. That's a three thirty

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Speaker 1: know you're back, You're back home. You're at your folks house, right,

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Speaker 1: position to make him comfortable so that so that he

427
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Speaker 1: can't thrive. I think two things. One, Um, I think

428
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Speaker 1: you have to do what he can do. You know

429
00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:56,600
Speaker 1: so much. You know, when you're offensive guy, you know,

430
00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,080
Speaker 1: we have our we have our offensive system, and this

431
00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,040
Speaker 1: is our package and we're gonna run it. And I

432
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,960
Speaker 1: think that's when you make a mistake with young guys

433
00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,200
Speaker 1: as you try to do too much with them and

434
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,640
Speaker 1: with him we we know he's good at certain things,

435
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,240
Speaker 1: and each week that's what we try to do. We

436
00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,040
Speaker 1: try not to ask him do something he can't do,

437
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 1: and we'll ask him, hey, do you like this play?

438
00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,840
Speaker 1: And not really it's out. You know, I want him

439
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,000
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable with what he's doing. It might be

440
00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,520
Speaker 1: a great play we need to run, but if he

441
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,800
Speaker 1: if he's not comfortable with it, that's one and two.

442
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,159
Speaker 1: The thing I think this most important is with the

443
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 1: young person, you gotta you gotta instill him. They don't

444
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,719
Speaker 1: have to make every play. They want to especially they

445
00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:31,160
Speaker 1: want to try to prove themselves and to get him

446
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: to understand, hey, it's okay to pun it's okay to

447
00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,080
Speaker 1: to throw it away here and lived another down. And

448
00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,040
Speaker 1: we've tried to really work hard on those things where

449
00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,520
Speaker 1: that way he doesn't put himself in a position where

450
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:43,080
Speaker 1: he can make up a mistake. And you look at

451
00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,040
Speaker 1: him m year, he had two interceptions, uh as as

452
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:49,159
Speaker 1: a freshman reshirt freshman quarterback this year twenty three touchdowns

453
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 1: and so he did those things extremely well. Uh And

454
00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:54,400
Speaker 1: then you know, also he's just got some intangible things

455
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,880
Speaker 1: and we can coach, but he's just got some intangible

456
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,080
Speaker 1: things and make him special, you know, because I want

457
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Speaker 1: to chappen to your quarterback mine and and also you're

458
00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:05,320
Speaker 1: scouting expertise. So you guys played by U a couple

459
00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,640
Speaker 1: of weeks ago and you had a chance to see

460
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,400
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson up close. What did you think about Wilson

461
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 1: heading into the game. What did you like about him?

462
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 1: What were some of the things that concerned you. Well, Uh,

463
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: he's a he's a special player. I think I didn't

464
00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 1: realize I knew, I knew, I knew he was he

465
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,080
Speaker 1: was good. I did not realize how athletic he was

466
00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,119
Speaker 1: until he saw him up close and personal. Like he

467
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:26,959
Speaker 1: can throw the football. He made one throw in our

468
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,440
Speaker 1: game that I mean you had to get a bazooka

469
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 1: for everybody else to throw one, and he threw it

470
00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,879
Speaker 1: out there. But his athletic system was really good. So

471
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 1: you were worried. What we were worried about was he

472
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: was just gonna be able to sit back there and

473
00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:40,359
Speaker 1: just pick us apart. They play action and some of

474
00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 1: those things, but he got out He created plays with

475
00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,560
Speaker 1: his athleticism that uh, that maybe he didn't have to

476
00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 1: do in other games because they were winning as much.

477
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,960
Speaker 1: But he made some plays there. He's a special guy,

478
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: and I think he showed some toughness in that game.

479
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,280
Speaker 1: Obviously they were down, uh you know, and he put

480
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Speaker 1: himself in a position to win. So if I if

481
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: I was at the next level there and I'm I'm

482
00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,480
Speaker 1: obviously looking for a orter back uh me up close

483
00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 1: and personal when I know anything, the NFL coach are

484
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna ask me. But I thought, I thought he he

485
00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: is the real deal, and I think he's got a

486
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: chance to be a really good quarterback in that league

487
00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: for a while. Coach, it was fun to watch him

488
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 1: and to watch you guys in that game was a

489
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,960
Speaker 1: physical game. I love the way you guys played and

490
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 1: finished that one off. Um. We talked a little bit

491
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 1: earlier about the challenge of trying to be able to

492
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 1: protect the young quarterback. You guys have done something that's

493
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 1: fascinating when you look at the height of your lineman, uh,

494
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,400
Speaker 1: most notably your center. I think has created a little

495
00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: bit of a national buzz there when you're playing with

496
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: a five ft ninth center. But we talked about earlier

497
00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: this year the New England Patriots playing with a six

498
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: ft three uh right tackle. This year there across the board.

499
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: I don't think they have anybody six ft four on

500
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Speaker 1: their offensive line. Now, uh, Bill Belichick always known to

501
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,639
Speaker 1: be a little bit ahead of the curve. Are we uh?

502
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 1: Are we gonna see something? You think they're where you

503
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 1: can play with some of these undersized lineman. What is

504
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 1: it that you can still be successful because we've always

505
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: been obsessed with size and length upfront? Well, I can

506
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,159
Speaker 1: tell you this. I've got I got every email across

507
00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 1: the country from five nine and below a coaster Carolina.

508
00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: That's one, you know. I mean part of it, you know,

509
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 1: part of it is because when you go out and try,

510
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 1: everybody's trying to get the six four guy and above everybody.

511
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: And I'm realistic, you know, at our level, especially when

512
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 1: we're building a program, if I'm getting a six four

513
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 1: guy that looks like you know, looks like the cookie cutter,

514
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 1: something's probably wrong with it. And so we're not getting

515
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: those guys that are ready made. We're getting developmental guys.

516
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Speaker 1: And for us, if I sit there and say, you

517
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Speaker 1: know what, we're only gonna take guys that are this

518
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: size and this, I'm gonna get a bunch of probably

519
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:32,640
Speaker 1: a stiffies that can't really move. And so our our

520
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,400
Speaker 1: deal is we're trying to win games, and we're gonna

521
00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: take who we think is great football players that love

522
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 1: to play the game, that are tough, and we'll figure

523
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Speaker 1: out their size. You know, Sammy's our center's obviously an

524
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,719
Speaker 1: exception being, but we've had other I mean, our our

525
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: our starting left guard was a true freshman this year.

526
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 1: We list him at six one. He's barely five ten.

527
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 1: Uh And our first team All Conference right guard has

528
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 1: been a four year starter. He's six ft and so.

529
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Speaker 1: But they're tough, they love the game. Now lymp it's important,

530
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. You love to have six two

531
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: or six three guys and all those different things, but

532
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 1: you gotta win the game and find guys that love

533
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,560
Speaker 1: and it's hard at old line, and those guys one

534
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 1: thing they understand on anything is that because they're small,

535
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: they've been told they're not good enough. So they have

536
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: a chip, and they understand leverage. And the majority of

537
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 1: those guys are wrestlers too, and they know balance. That's

538
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 1: how offensive line is played. Can you stay balanced, can

539
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: you keep your leveraging? And can you basically fight somebody

540
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: for sending five place Uh, and what we've shown this

541
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 1: year is our guys can do that and they play

542
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 1: together and we've been able to win some games against

543
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: some d line that are considered probably really good because

544
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: of those those things that we have there. You know,

545
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: a coach, I'm a high school head coach. Is my

546
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 1: second year and I'm in a situation that's similar to you,

547
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 1: where I'm building a program that is really built on development.

548
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 1: What would be two or three things of advice nuggets

549
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 1: that you would give me as a coach to build

550
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: a program that you're trying to take to the next level. Well,

551
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,160
Speaker 1: I think one, Uh, the culture that you have has

552
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: to be about accountability and there has to be the

553
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: standard that you have at your program and nothing can

554
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: and nothing drops below that standard. I don't care if

555
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:03,879
Speaker 1: it's the best player on the team. Uh, you have

556
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: a standard and everybody has to uphold that standard and

557
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: you gotta and once they don't, there has to be

558
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: consequences for that. And then I think secondly, Uh, what

559
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: really helped us is is the why the purpose that

560
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: you're playing with has to be bigger than just winning

561
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 1: the games. And for us, that our whole goal when

562
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: we took over here. Yeah, we wanted to win. We

563
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,520
Speaker 1: won the championships, but it was about playing for something

564
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: bigger and having a common purpose. And our whole purpose

565
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 1: here is what I try to get our young people

566
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 1: to do is play for each other, play for the

567
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 1: love of your brother and love your teammate. And when

568
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,640
Speaker 1: you do those things, then you play above what your

569
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 1: talent level is because you are playing for a bigger purpose.

570
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: And that would be the two things. Have a culture

571
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 1: of accountability, and your purpose has to be bigger than

572
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: just winning. It has to be it has to be

573
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 1: for your love for your teammate and love for your brother.

574
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: And that's what we've done and I think that's why

575
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,719
Speaker 1: we've had success. Coach. We we talk about when you're

576
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: hiring a coach, one are the things you look for?

577
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: And Bucky and I have kind of come through our

578
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: our lists and put those down on paper. One one

579
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: of the words that comes up a bunch of is authenticity. Um,

580
00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: you know, what does that word mean to you? And

581
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: from a coach standpoint, how important do you think that is? Well?

582
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,240
Speaker 1: I think that's uh For me, that's genuineness. You know,

583
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,640
Speaker 1: are they a genuine person? And to me, I think

584
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: that spot on. I think in today's day and age, anybody,

585
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: anybody can learn the xs and ohs and what it

586
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: takes to teach in a certain route technique or a

587
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 1: certain uh you know, dB technique and all those things.

588
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: But do you have the capability to relate to a

589
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: young person and empathize with what they're going through on

590
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,440
Speaker 1: a day to day basis and get them to play

591
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: at a high level. And if you're not a genuine person,

592
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: if you truly don't care for others and want them

593
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 1: to succeed through the sport of football, I think the

594
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: game will show you, show you up and eventually it'll

595
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 1: it'll catch up to you because you don't have those things, uh.

596
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: And that's what I look for more than anything. I

597
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: want good quality of people that love young people will

598
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: figure out the exes and oh and this scheme is important,

599
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. But relationships are so big. I mean,

600
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: sixty two percent on my team comes from a single

601
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: parent sixty and so if I don't have a fatherly

602
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: figure that's one of their coaches, then understand an's really

603
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: what the big picture is about. If I like it

604
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: as a guy that cares about football and his next job,

605
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 1: then we're not going to be successful here. And so

606
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 1: that's the most important thing that I look for is

607
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: the type of people and then we'll figure out the

608
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: exos from there. You know, coach and listening to you,

609
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: everything is about development. And one thing that we also

610
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: see in the National Football League the teams that have

611
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 1: the coaches where the best teachers succeed. Why is being

612
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 1: a great teacher such an important school to being a

613
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: great coach. Well, because you're teaching the game and more

614
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: and more important that you're teaching, you're teaching the characteristics

615
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: that help you be successful. And so if you have

616
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 1: if you can model, if you can model what those

617
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: examples are, and then those those young people in your

618
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: programs see that consistently, then they start understanding the importance

619
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 1: of it. And then once you they understand that importance

620
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: of that trust, then they start then they start really

621
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 1: getting into uh want to know everything about what you're

622
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: teaching and if you are a quality teacher, And again

623
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: that can be on the board, but really it's more

624
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: so how you relate, how you interact, and how you

625
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: can empathy. Guys, with the situation young people are going

626
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: in and that's all about teaching. I come actually from

627
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 1: a teaching background. My mom, dad, grandmother or all teachers,

628
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: uh in different ways. And I think that's what makes

629
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: the best coaches, because you are you're teaching. You're teaching

630
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: the sport of football, You're teaching all the different you know,

631
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 1: third downs, all those different things, the the the importance

632
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: of that. But really you're teaching life lessons and if you,

633
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: if you, if that's important to you, and I think

634
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: your team will be successful because of that. Coach, You've

635
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: been very generous with your time. Man, we we appreciate

636
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: it tremendously. Last question from me, and we'll let you run. Uh,

637
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: Myrtle Beach. You know, Bucky went to North Carolina, I

638
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 1: went to app States. So I think we've all like

639
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: migrated down to Myrtle Beach at some point in time. UM,

640
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: I want to how good of a how good of

641
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: a mini golfer? Are you? Coach? I think nine down there.

642
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,399
Speaker 1: I can tell you this. I can tell you this.

643
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: If my kids can't hold my jock, I can tell

644
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: you that I'm feeding in my household. Man got over

645
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: and they got no job. But if you guys want

646
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 1: to come down and visit I got we've got some

647
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: NFL prospects. We've got some coming here. We've got some

648
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 1: coming come on down. We'll go get some mini golf,

649
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: We'll get some Mody can eat krab legs, and then

650
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: we'll go hang out at the pier. I'm in coach,

651
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: and I have taking a look at number nine. I've

652
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: taken a look at the d tackle. We' gonn see

653
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: him at the senior boy. He's a good player. And

654
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, ninety four jumps off the tape.

655
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 1: Absolutely watch him. He's a good one. Man is a

656
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: good one. And I think I think we gotta tie

657
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: into it's got a chance after this coming year, and

658
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: then I think I think our quarterback will get there

659
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, you've got it. You've got a great

660
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: thing going on down there. I'm not happy with you

661
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 1: for for taking off and whooping on my Mountaineers this year,

662
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: but I'm willing to forgive you. I'm hearing it on

663
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: Twitter every day, so trust you're one fan. So hey,

664
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: that's all right. We're we're we're in the Southern Conference

665
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: quarterback fraternity, so we're we're connected here and it's been

666
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: fun to follow your journey man, you are uh, you're

667
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: rising start in this profession, and it's been fun to

668
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: get a little peak behind the curtain of how you've

669
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 1: built that thing down there coastal. So thank you so

670
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: much for your time. We appreciate it. I appreciate you.

671
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: I'll God bless you. Thank you. Oh there you go, Buck.

672
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, they do have good mini

673
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: golf down there Myrtle Beach. And apparently Jamie wields a

674
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: nasty stick there. He's talking trash about his kids. He

675
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: wants something I know, I know like and you know,

676
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 1: like having been in North Carolina, Myrtle Beaches the destination.

677
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: It's the destination for smoke cards, to like cards, mini

678
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: mini golf, everything. And depending on if your Myrtle Beach

679
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 1: or North Myrtle, I mean, you get all the real

680
00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: golf that you want to. So, I mean, if if

681
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: you won't entertained. And he brought up those crab legs,

682
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: I don't mind making a trip. I don't mind making

683
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: a trip down the Mortal Beach is always a good time. Now.

684
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: He was impressive though, I mean, man, there's so many

685
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: things he said that really stood out. But I love

686
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: the fact of you know we talked about sometimes the

687
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: entry point into the front front door can be a

688
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: little crowded. Um to the to the house of success.

689
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: For for a phrase, here he's he found a side door. Man. Uh,

690
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: you just find a little side door. Oh you know,

691
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: I can get some undersized players that are you know,

692
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: wrestlers and have leverage and are tough, and I can

693
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: win with those guys. Uh, finding different formulas. I think

694
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: that's what fascinates me about guys like that. Well, I

695
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: think I think what fascinates me about guys like him. Um,

696
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: when you find a way to have success with less,

697
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: I think it gives you an opportunity to be able

698
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: to be successful as some of these bigger jobs that

699
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: aren't ideal or perfect. So when I look at what

700
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Matt Campbell has been able to do going from Toledo

701
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: to then being able to be successful at Iowa State,

702
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: to me at leads me to leave like he can

703
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: go to a maybe a bigger job that isn't ideal.

704
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not saying like the Arizona job or something,

705
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: but like he could go there and be like, these

706
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: are the circumstances that I've been in and I've encountered before,

707
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: and I'll figure out a way to do it. So

708
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: they're less likely to talk about all the things that

709
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: they don't have. They're able to look at what I

710
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 1: have and like, oh, this is what I have. Here's

711
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: how we're going to make it work. And that's what

712
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: I got um from coach talking about this is what

713
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: we have, this is how we have to work around it.

714
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 1: We have undersized lineman. We have to take these guys

715
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna take them and then we're gonna

716
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 1: put in a system that minimize is their weaknesses and

717
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: we're going to find a way to have success. I

718
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: like the creativity. I like being able to kind of

719
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: figure out solutions as as opposed to always telling me

720
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 1: about what your problems are and why you can't compete.

721
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: So hear me out on this. When we're talking about

722
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: hiring coaches, UM, you you usually have a couple of options, right.

723
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: You can get guys that have been successful coordinators at

724
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: bigger programs or in the NFL and NFL teams. Or

725
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you can get guys who have been head coaches at

726
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: at lower levels and have been able to develop their

727
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: program and move up the ranks. So in terms of guys.

728
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Think about you know Nick Saban was it what Toledo

729
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: UM or wherever he was, and then he went to

730
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: Michigan State UH, and so he had he had a

731
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: chance to kind of test out his his program at

732
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: lower levels as the head coach and kind of march

733
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: his way up. Um you think about um, who were

734
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: some of the other guys we were just talking about

735
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 1: Brian Kelly. Brian Kelly being at UH at Grand Valley

736
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: to be able to work away all climb all the

737
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: way up. That's why to me, it's it's fascinating. Matt

738
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: Campbell's another one. You know, he was at to lead

739
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: a right, so then he had a chance to go

740
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: from there down to Iowa State, not an easy place

741
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: to win. He'd been able to test these theories out

742
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: as head coaches. And this is another one here with

743
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 1: Jamie Chadwell who's been able to do it at this level. Man,

744
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to Jim trust all right, Jim

745
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: Trussell one big Youngstown State, and then he took that

746
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: same formula from you know, one double A Youngstown and

747
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: applied to it at Ohio State and bam off they go,

748
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: I know, we have you know, I know we have

749
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: guys that have been coordinators. You think about Lincoln Riley, Um,

750
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 1: you think about Dabbo as a position coach, he hadn't

751
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: really been a head coach. I've seen it both ways.

752
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: But man, for me, I just prefer a guy that's

753
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: been the head coach and built his program. Yeah, but

754
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: I think experienced matters because I think what happens is

755
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: when you get a guy who's already been a head coach,

756
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: you miss out on some of that transition part in

757
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: terms of the orientation and those things. Now, I will

758
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: say this because I believe it's important that the guy

759
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: can change his eye in terms of the talent that

760
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 1: he looks for when he moves up a level. Because

761
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: sometimes we've seen guys who move up where I stays

762
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: the same, where they're always looking for the underachievers as

763
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: opposed to know. Now I'm at a big program, I

764
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: need to kind of up to any when it comes

765
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: to recruiting. But yes, I do believe that experience serves

766
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 1: you well. And I'll go back to this. Yeah, like

767
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: Urban made his way, Utah proven thing. I would say

768
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: this from a personal standpoint with Coach Brown, Coach Brown

769
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: went from Mac Brown coach. Brown went from app two

770
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: lane Um made his way to North Carolina, then Texas,

771
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: then back to North Carolina. And I think what you

772
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: get is when you get a guy who has done

773
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: it and done it successfully the former and the recipe

774
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,719
Speaker 1: is tried and true. You know exactly what you need

775
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: to do, and there's a level of confidence that comes

776
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: with that that is able to be easily conveyed to

777
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: the players and everyone involved. And so you say this,

778
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: and I think in the pros everyone is going to

779
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: trot out these candidates and say, hey, this coordinator is ready,

780
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 1: and this coordinator is ready, and this hot guy is ready.

781
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: I don't think all of these jobs are ready for

782
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: a guy that is trying to figure it out. Some

783
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: of these jobs need to have a guy who can

784
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: go ahead and get it done right away. I do

785
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: want to ask you this because I'm fascinated because I

786
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: get this Sometimes on my radio show on Saturday's, people

787
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: talk about the general manager, and I've had this debate.

788
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: Do you believe that for some of these jobs it

789
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 1: would be better to have a guy who was already

790
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: experienced the general manager seat, he's already done it, Or

791
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: do you think that some of the new guys, like

792
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: our generation guys that we know that are ready for

793
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: the job, can jump into these big jobs and handle

794
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: some of the responsibilities. So I look at it this

795
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: way because I you think about it individually, right, what

796
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: would you do if you're in this situation? To me,

797
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 1: I would want somebody on my staff if you have

798
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: never been a general manager. It's almost like your head coach, right,

799
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: If you're a head coacher here, Sean McVeigh, you've got

800
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: to wait Phillips with you there to kind of help

801
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: you out and guide you. If your general manager, I

802
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 1: think it's the same thing. I'm gonna have somebody on

803
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: my staff who's been a general manager or has assumed

804
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: a lot of those general manager duties who can kind

805
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: of help guide you through some of the things you

806
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: don't know. I think the biggest mistake you make is

807
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: if is if you get somebody who tells you they

808
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: know everything, they don't they don't. You better be able

809
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,479
Speaker 1: to understand what you don't know, and you better hire

810
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: around that. So if you don't have experience as a

811
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: general manager, and I want to have somebody on my

812
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: staff with us, yeah, I think I think that's important.

813
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: I think I think it's essential. We talked about it

814
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: when we had the interview with Brian Billock about having

815
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: the triumpheran the trio, like the three headed monster to

816
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: be able to get help make decisions and so you

817
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: may have the final gavel, but having like those trusted

818
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: confidence that can tell you the truth. And I think

819
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: that's the bigger thing, like and sometimes that can be

820
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: hard when you hire your friends but they have someone

821
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: that can tell you the truth a DJ I don't

822
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: I don't see it this way. Here's how I see

823
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,720
Speaker 1: this or whatever. Now you may make a different decision,

824
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 1: but for me, my responsibility is always to be truth

825
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: to which and say hey here's here's how see where

826
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: we are. These are the things that I'm concerned about. Um,

827
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: I may pause before making this decision, and so at

828
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: least you hear that and we have to scrimmage that

829
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: out before you make a decision. I think that is

830
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: really really important. Think about you know, John Lynch went

831
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: in and had that success right out of the broadcast booth.

832
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, Adam Peter's our buddy there, and Adam has

833
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: been a director of player personnel and Martin Martin may

834
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: be a GM almost at Martin, who's outstanding who by

835
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: the way, he he should be getting some GM interviews

836
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: if he hasn't been on this list already. Yeah, but

837
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: but but but I think that's important though, DJ, like

838
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 1: you you're talking about that is okay. I know that

839
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: I don't know everything, so let me surround myself with

840
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: good people. And we've heard leadership people talk. Are you

841
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: humble enough to know where you are? Do you have

842
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: enough self awareness to know I may not be the

843
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: best in this aspect, but I'm really good in these things.

844
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: So I need to make sure that I hire good

845
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: people that can help me handle these parts of the

846
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: job that I'm not really really good at all. I'm

847
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: not prepared for. UM. I think it's important. I think

848
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: it's important to do that. I think you have to

849
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: have enough awareness and do some inventory and continue to

850
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: stretch yourself to know exactly who you are and how

851
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: you can get this job done. Yeah. I mean I

852
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: to me, I hungry, humble, and smart. Right, that's the

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Speaker 1: things we've always talked about. You want guys that are hungry, humble, smart.

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Speaker 1: You think about that from a player standpoint, from a

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Speaker 1: coach standpoint from a personnel standpoint, hungry meaning they're gonna

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Speaker 1: put in the work, humble to realize they don't know everything.

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Speaker 1: And smart because they can actually take in information and

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Speaker 1: make good decisions. Um. So when we talked about the

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Speaker 1: skill sets we were looking for and head coaches and

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Speaker 1: we kind of listed all that stuff out for general managers,

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Speaker 1: I think, to me, I look at really three three things. Communication.

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Speaker 1: You've got to be able to communicate with everybody throughout

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Speaker 1: the building, from the owner on down, you know, to

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Speaker 1: the coaches and to everybody in the medical staff, everybody.

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Speaker 1: You gotta be able to communicate well. Um. Number two,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have leadership, um to be able to be

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Speaker 1: somebody that's steady, that's the same every day, know exactly

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Speaker 1: what you're getting. And then the third one, I think

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Speaker 1: this is the most important one. Buck. You've gotta have discernment.

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Speaker 1: And you know that's a word people don't use a lot,

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Speaker 1: but discernment and that to me is being able to

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Speaker 1: ultimately decisions, get the right people in the room to

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Speaker 1: to get opinions and all that. And then you have

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Speaker 1: to be able to take all this information hopefully from

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Speaker 1: the right group of people and then have the discernment

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Speaker 1: to make good decisions. That's that's it. That's the job.

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Speaker 1: And seeing this one, I'm gonna say, the general manager

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Speaker 1: is not about being the best evaluator. It's about being

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Speaker 1: the best listener and decision maker, because the position is

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00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: a decision making position. It's not any valuation position. It's

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Speaker 1: not about my ability to be able to necessarily see

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Speaker 1: all these individual players and tell you this guy's will

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Speaker 1: be a star or whatever. It's being able to take

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Speaker 1: all the information that I get and, as you say,

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Speaker 1: disturb it make the right decision for the best interests

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Speaker 1: of the franchise. And that comes with everything. And I

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Speaker 1: think it's really really important. And I think it's the

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Speaker 1: same thing when it comes to um the head coaching job.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about hot offensive coordinator and the plays

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Speaker 1: and what they've done with an offense, but being a

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Speaker 1: head coach is little to do with that part of

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Speaker 1: it and more to do with, like the macro part

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Speaker 1: of the job, the vision of the team, the culture

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Speaker 1: of the team, how I believe we need to build

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Speaker 1: this team and play to give ourselves the best chance

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Speaker 1: to win the division and more and the best coaches

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Speaker 1: that we've seen of late had been able to do that. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I mean this is a it's a fascinating conversation. It's

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Speaker 1: one that's ongoing, one that uh we both enjoy. But

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Speaker 1: it was. It was a great interview there with coach Chad.

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Speaker 1: Will appreciate his time, thank him for joining us. That's

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Speaker 1: all we've got for today. I hope you guys have

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the episode. Doug into some of these NFL games,

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Speaker 1: had a chance to talk with one of the hot

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Speaker 1: young coaches uh in in the sport of football. A

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Anything else you want to add? Buck

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Speaker 1: as we wish, wish everybody a merry Christmas. Here knocking

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Speaker 1: on the door. No happy holidays for everybody. I hope

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Speaker 1: everyone gets exactly what they wanted the tree and we

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Speaker 1: look for it's not only the close of closing with

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Speaker 1: the bank, but also a prosperous one on horizon. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys all for hanging with us through a

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Speaker 1: very crazy year here in We do appreciate you. Uh

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Speaker 1: look forward to catching up with you on the flip

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Speaker 1: side here. We'll catch you next week right here on

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Speaker 1: mover the sticks. Thou hast got be go? Tom thought

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Speaker 1: ut he had got to love ut