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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there? Rights the latest news

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Speaker 1: and nobody here's Paul Calvic. You know, guys, it wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Polly Podcast Kyle to guard Darren Urban because right after this,

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Speaker 1: actually I'm gonna talk shop and talk a little football

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Speaker 1: with Carson Palmer. Is a name drop here right off

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Speaker 1: the top of Cardinals Underground. So you know what, we'll

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Speaker 1: just you know, get warmed up here and then boom.

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Speaker 1: If you guys got any questions for the heavy hitteror

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Speaker 1: Carson Palmer himself, it'll be something you might see a

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Speaker 1: little bit later down the line Cardinals Media, maybe Acy,

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Speaker 1: comes up and you know, there is a suggestion box

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Speaker 1: and it is open right now, Darren or Kyle, you

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Speaker 1: know at your leisure, well, could you just tell him

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Speaker 1: we said Hi, you know I will, and I don't

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Speaker 1: expect you might get a reaction or you might not,

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Speaker 1: and and and we're gonna get into this. But if

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Speaker 1: if yours truly could give some free advice to young quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: call Carson Palmer on how to have a poker face?

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Speaker 1: Was he not the master of the poker face when

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Speaker 1: he was Cardinal's quarterback for those five years? Didn't matter

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Speaker 1: if they just had a ninety yard touchdown drive to

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Speaker 1: off the field and went to the bench with that

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Speaker 1: same look on his face and that he is, Hey, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm here, I'm cool, I'm calm, I'm collected. I've been here,

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Speaker 1: I've done this. I have no problems with this. Next

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Speaker 1: let me know when when we have the ball again.

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Speaker 1: And to me, when I think of Carson Palmer, that's

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Speaker 1: definitely got that California cool to him. And one image

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Speaker 1: stands out to me is twenty sixteen when Chandler Caton

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Speaker 1: zero misses the nineteen yard field goal, a field goal

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's the easiest chip shot in the history

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Speaker 1: for you. I always figured that was a byproduct not

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Speaker 1: long segue. Dren to New England and you were down

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Speaker 1: we're complete. We're talking about this team in a completely

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Speaker 1: different way than what we're going to be talking about,

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Speaker 1: or might just feel that way. What is your gut

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Speaker 1: feel right now? With six games to go? December Football

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Speaker 1: they've lost some close games, they've won some close games,

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Speaker 1: and Darren's right, the narrative of a team in the

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Speaker 1: so controlled by fluke things happening when it's a three

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Speaker 1: there's three phases of the game. And although you excelled

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Speaker 1: the offense was hit and miss much of the game.

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Speaker 1: That's the only explanation I can provide people when they

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Speaker 1: know if you processed anything differently in the last forty

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Speaker 1: One of the things that stuck with me that Cliff said,

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Speaker 1: let's just get that out of the way right now.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the first half, I'll be honest

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Speaker 1: I'm taking the points. You got a quarterback or going

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Speaker 1: I'm going for the field goal. I said it at

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Speaker 1: the moment in the press box I'll say it again.

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Speaker 1: You're going against Mahomes, You're going against Russell Wilson. Okay,

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Speaker 1: stick it in the end zone right there. But that

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Speaker 1: then how many Patriots talked after the game about how

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Speaker 1: That touchdown, that missed point opportunity probably wouldn't have made

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Speaker 1: I don't care if you're playing the two thousand Ravens.

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Speaker 1: If you can't get six inches in that point, then

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Speaker 1: Can I just say this, though, it's not six inches

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Speaker 1: different discussion, though. I'm just saying in this offense, the

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Speaker 1: cluster luck. There is a correlation though. I think before

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Speaker 1: Why not? Is that a valid question? I think it

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Speaker 1: a little bit about Kyler going to Cliff and saying,

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Speaker 1: That don't do that to me. I will say that,

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Speaker 1: I you know, I want Kyler Murray on the field,

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Speaker 1: would love to know, down and dirty why they wouldn't

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury has asked that question around about way and

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Speaker 1: Is Kyler and the shoulder a reason why they're not

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Speaker 1: a big l on my forehead, nothing to do, stuck

431
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 1: in my hotel room, right and I'm going through a

432
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:02,960
Speaker 1: bunch of stats and stuff, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

433
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:05,879
Speaker 1: I'm turning into Kyle because look at this. Over the

434
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 1: past six weeks, the Patriots were dead last in yards

435
00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: per target allowed, They were last in explosive pass play

436
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,840
Speaker 1: percentage allowed. They were thirty first in deep pass attempt

437
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 1: percentage allowed. These are stats that aren't heard of, and

438
00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: somehow I stumbled onto them about the Patriots pass defense,

439
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, oh, man, if Kyler's healthy with that

440
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: right arm, they're gonna light this secondary up and Kyle

441
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: that didn't obviously did not happen. That's my biggest concern

442
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 1: going forward, as you just played the Patriots and the Seahawks,

443
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,720
Speaker 1: both of whom it struggled badly against the pass, and

444
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: like you said, you did not get anything going explosive

445
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 1: wise with the pass. And now you know that, you

446
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: see what defenses are doing against the run, where they're

447
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 1: doing a lot of five man defensive fronts and putting

448
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: guys on the edges because the Cardinals do run a

449
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: lot of that outside zone stuff, the zone read, where

450
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,560
Speaker 1: obviously the running back is going to certain way and

451
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 1: Kyler is trying to pull it and go to the outside.

452
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: So if teams are lining up five on the line

453
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: of scrimmage, you're thinking that there should be holes downfield somewhere.

454
00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, there's only eleven players on the field. You

455
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: can't cover everything. And if teams are able to stop

456
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: the zone read and you're not getting explosive passes. That's

457
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 1: a serious issue on offense. And it's only two games,

458
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 1: so I'm not ready to say that these are permanent

459
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 1: issues for the Cardinals, but it certainly reared its head

460
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: pretty consistently this season, and then the Cardinals have figured

461
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: it out. So they need to get the explosive pass

462
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,360
Speaker 1: game going. They need those fifteen twenty twenty five yard

463
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: chunks because you can't live on thirteen fourteen fifteen play drives.

464
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 1: There's just too much that can go wrong in a

465
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 1: drive if you're not getting the explosive plays. I would

466
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 1: also I just I feel like watching that game, I

467
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know exactly if there's anything with

468
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: the shoulder. I mean, he wasn't even he didn't even

469
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 1: have an injury designation. I feel like if there was

470
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: anything there, they would have made him questionable just to

471
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 1: have people think about it and you take it away.

472
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: And all I know is that one where he backpedaled

473
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: and got it to Dan Arnold and that only went

474
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,119
Speaker 1: down for a seventeen yard game, but that was like

475
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 1: a twenty five yard throw on his back foot. Sure

476
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: didn't look hurt to me, and his issues in terms

477
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 1: of throwing the ball down the field. You know, I

478
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 1: can't speak for whether guys were open, but I can't

479
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 1: say there was. I don't know if they were doing

480
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,960
Speaker 1: things to confuse him. I just felt like there was

481
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of times where I felt like he double

482
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 1: pumped or half pumped before he threw the ball. He

483
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: didn't look super comfortable in the pocket. It felt like

484
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 1: he was feeling the rush a lot. And so I

485
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: wonder a little bit about that too, and just where

486
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: that has gone in his comfort in the pocket as

487
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: we speak right now, and it's you know, it gets

488
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: a lot harder. I mean, we say this against the

489
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Seahawks, two teams with middling pass rushes,

490
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Speaker 1: and now you're gonna go against potentially the best defensive

491
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,119
Speaker 1: line in the league and certainly the best defensive lineman

492
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 1: in the league and Eric Donald, and you know, how

493
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: is this exactly going to work? I mean, I kind

494
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,880
Speaker 1: of feel like this is one of those games where

495
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: you know you're gonna have to me for them to

496
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: win this game, You're gonna have to have two or

497
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: three magical Kyler moments where whether it's running the ball

498
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: or spinning out and eventually throwing in he's going to

499
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 1: have to escape something that he shouldn't be able to

500
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Speaker 1: escape and make a play, because I just feel like

501
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of coming, you know, for the second Stray game.

502
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: To your point, Darren, the opposing defense has had a

503
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: lot of the same comments about their plan, their philosophy

504
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,679
Speaker 1: against Kyler, and that was we weren't going to let

505
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Speaker 1: him run around. A number of Patriots players said that

506
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: after the game. We heard that out of the Seattle

507
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: locker room, whether it was five down lineman, whether it

508
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: was crashing the edges, they were not going to let

509
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: him get loose and run around. And your point, Colin,

510
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,640
Speaker 1: we talked about this after the game as well. You've

511
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: got to make a defense pay for that. If they're

512
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: going to commit those sort of resources to the box

513
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 1: and the edges and coming at and trying to get

514
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: into the backfield. It's akin to the touchdown pass to

515
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 1: Chase Edmonds on Thursday night in Seattle, whereas third and

516
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: goal to three and here comes a blitz and Kyler

517
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: was able to get the ball away to a wide

518
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: open Chase Edmonds because all the attention was on Kyler

519
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,880
Speaker 1: and or DeAndre Hopkins at that point. I just feel

520
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: like the challenge of the Cardinals offense right now. It's

521
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: not unlike what happened three games in a year ago

522
00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: where that too high safety look gave them issues and

523
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: they had to prove they can beat that. Whatever it

524
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,680
Speaker 1: is that the last two defensive game plans were thrown

525
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: out there, the Cardinals now have to adjust accordingly. I

526
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Speaker 1: just think we have to remember that Kyler Murray's basically

527
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: in his third year of high level quarterbacking in college

528
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: or the NFL, and I think if this was year

529
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: five or year six and he's seen a lot of

530
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: these things consecutively, game after game after game, I think

531
00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:01,479
Speaker 1: his process might be faster. But assume New England did

532
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff throughout the game and tried

533
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: to trick him and did his zone and man and

534
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: blitzed and dropped back, and I mean I could see

535
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: some of it on television. I'm sure you guys saw

536
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: more with the secondary in person, but it certainly seemed

537
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: like they mix it up a lot. And if you

538
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 1: don't know what's coming pre snap, even if you have

539
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: an advantage somewhere, if you're not looking there, it's not

540
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: going to help you. So I think if Kyler can

541
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 1: deduce where he's got the single coverage and know that

542
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: his man is gonna win that that matchup, then it

543
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: becomes a lot easier. But he's still maturing in that

544
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: sense and figuring out what defenses are trying to do

545
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: against him. So I think you're right. I think the

546
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: blueprint has been laid. Teams are going to try to

547
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,639
Speaker 1: keep him in the pocket and make him process it

548
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: and make the throws. And we've seen his arm talent.

549
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he can make every throw there is out there,

550
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: and he can do everything he wants. But if he

551
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: doesn't know exactly where the safety's going to be on

552
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: a play, it's hard to successfully move the ball downfield

553
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: in big chunk. And I think that's really the next

554
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,480
Speaker 1: phase that the Cardinals have to master offensively in order

555
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: to hit that next level. Seeing the coverage, making the

556
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: quick decision getting rid of the football. You saw it

557
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 1: a money night with Carson Wentz. There was a tight

558
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 1: end running why opened down the seam and he throws

559
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 1: into the flat and double coverage. Where your eyes as

560
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,959
Speaker 1: a quarterback, are your eyes finding the open man? Are

561
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 1: your eyes able to scan the field. You remember back

562
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: in the day, guys Kurt Warner used to beg a

563
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: defense to blitz him because he knew exactly where he

564
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: was going to go with the ball when it really

565
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,959
Speaker 1: gave him problems when they rushed three and dropped eight

566
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: and then they got into the passing lanes and it

567
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: wasn't quite as obvious as clear And so right now, yeah,

568
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: to me, it's on the Cardinals and trying to get

569
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: that chunk play at least the thread of the big

570
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: play back. And you know, Darren, honestly, after the hail murray,

571
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: because we've seen a lot of single coverage on DeAndre

572
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: Hopkins the last couple of weeks, we really have even

573
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: Trey Flowers a backup cornerback way to go because the

574
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: two stars with Seattle, we're out. And then of course

575
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: we saw it with Stefan Gilmore and that was a

576
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: fistfight pretty much the whole game. But I'd love to

577
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: see the whole axiom that Ay, when he's single covered,

578
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: he's open, throw it at him. And obviously the targets

579
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: didn't say that that really materialized. He had five for

580
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: fifty five yards, and to me, it's no fluke that

581
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: if you look at the three losses, it's five to

582
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: five and three catches for fifty five yards or less

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Speaker 1: for DeAndre Hopkins, and then the one game where he

584
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: had seven for one twenty seven, albeit at the forty

585
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: three yard Hail Murray that got him some big yarders

586
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: as well, but the production for DeAndre Hopkins equated to

587
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: a win. The other three games have been a loss. Well,

588
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: I will say that I don't know if this is

589
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: the week where you're saying one on one, definitely throw

590
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: it to him because he's gonna get Jalen Ramsey on him,

591
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: and Jayleen Ramsey, in my opinion, is the best cornerback

592
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: in the league right now. So I think you need

593
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: to figure out some things on how to get him loose.

594
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm guessing Ramsey will travel with him, but

595
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, and if he doesn't, I'm taking

596
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: advantage of the times when Ramsey isn't on him. I

597
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: do think you need to find a way to target

598
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: him more often, to get him a little bit more involved.

599
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 1: And you know how much of that is again them

600
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: not having an offseason together. How much of that is

601
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: how much he doesn't practice, which we all know he

602
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: doesn't practice a ton, you know, I don't. I don't

603
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: know about that either. It didn't seem to bother them

604
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: in the games when he was getting ten catches and

605
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty yards, which has happened plenty of

606
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: times this season. So I think you do need to

607
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: find a way to get it to him more. And again,

608
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's necessarily Hopkins or Christian Kirk,

609
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: or if you can find a way to get it

610
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: to Andy Isabella or Dan Arnold or whatever fits if

611
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 1: he comes back this week. You just you've got to

612
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: find a way to get fifteen to twenty yard pass

613
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: plays off that you're just not getting right now, because

614
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: it just changes the whole dynamic of a drive. And

615
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 1: I think there's an intricate balance. And this reminds me

616
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: of the conversation in Miami with Tuatongo Vyloa saying that

617
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: when he was at Alabama, he was so used to

618
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: guys being wide open that he comes to the NFL

619
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: and he hesitates at tighter window throws because he's not

620
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: used to that. And probably the same with Kyler Murray

621
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: in college at Oklahoma, when his guys are always got

622
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: two or three yards of separation. That's when he throws it.

623
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: And he does a great job of finding open guys

624
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: in the NFL, But maybe it does make more sense

625
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: to throw it to DeAndre Hopkins when he looks covered,

626
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: if if he's twenty to twenty five yards down the

627
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: field or a Christian Kirk, And I think Russell Wilson

628
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: is a guy who does that a lot. Is a

629
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 1: guy has a very small window of separation and he'll

630
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: try to force it in there. And maybe you're incompletion

631
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: numbers and your interceptions go up. But if inaggregate it

632
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 1: helps the team because you get more chunk throws, then

633
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 1: obviously it would be an improvement on what you're doing offensively.

634
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 1: So I think that's a very delicate balance. But if

635
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray does throw into tighter windows and they find

636
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 1: more success, maybe that's somewhere the passing game can improve.

637
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: And look, there are times, and this is just an observation,

638
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: but there are times where the rest of the receivers

639
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily in sync. It was a Cardinal's second possession.

640
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: You had a chunk run of fourteen yards by Kenyan Drake.

641
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: Then he had a sixteen yard grab by DeAndre Opkins,

642
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden the Cardinals had to

643
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: burn a time out. There was confusion the personnel, the

644
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: receivers and who was checking in and who was aligned correctly,

645
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 1: and finally Cliff Kingsbury called time out, and he turned

646
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: around and for everyone who thinks he doesn't get fiery,

647
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: he barked at some of the offensive assistant coaches, like,

648
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: your guys aren't ready. Your guys are mentally messing this

649
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 1: up right now, and sometimes it just seems okay. They

650
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: obviously can't go as quick as they want for various reasons.

651
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's themselves that some of the receivers don't appear.

652
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: And I wonder to what degree is that a source

653
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: of Kyler's frustration that if he has such a mastery

654
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: of this offense, and truly he knew it best and first,

655
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: because it was very close to what he did at

656
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: Oklahoma by design, at times, our guys not in the

657
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: right spot. Because Clip Kingsbury had a very telling comment

658
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: to me in his press conference on Monday, where he said, well,

659
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: you know that we have to get to the precision

660
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: passing game. He emphasized the word precision and he mentioned

661
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: receiver's depth and the timing and the ball being out

662
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: on time, and it's all these factors that don't appear

663
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: Darren right now to quite be there and be in sync.

664
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: That we've seen it stretches, but we haven't seen for

665
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: an entire game, and we haven't seen a whole lot

666
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: of the last two games. Well, and yeah, I think

667
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: that's important. I mean, the thing we don't know about

668
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: this past weekend is you're using you were trying to

669
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: use more Andy Isabella, you were using Keyshaw Johnson for

670
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: the first time. You didn't have fits in there, mused.

671
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't know for sure, but you might used Dan

672
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: Arnold and Chase Edmonds in a couple of receiver plays

673
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't have normally done. So I wonder a

674
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: little bit if the trickle effect of the wide receiver

675
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: situation with COVID might have impacted some of the knowledge

676
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: of where people were supposed to be. But look, you're right,

677
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: and we can sit here and say there wasn't an offseason,

678
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: and we can sit here and say there weren't preseason games,

679
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: but let's face it, we're twelve thirteen weeks into this

680
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: regular season. Now you can't talk about not knowing where

681
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be. You can't talk about any of

682
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: that stuff at this point, then this should be clicking

683
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: if it's going to click, and that ultimately is my concern.

684
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 1: I mean, we're to the point where this is where

685
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: it's supposed to be, rounding into exactly where it's supposed

686
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: to be, and it feels like they're coming off. And

687
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I know they had a worse offensive game in Carolina statistically,

688
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:39,879
Speaker 1: but you take that game away, these past two games

689
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 1: have been the worst two offensive games. And that's that's

690
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: just stunning to me that that's where we are at

691
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: this point. Is that you had another instance, as Wolf

692
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: likes to say, playing down to your competition when you're

693
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: going against an offensive end less than two hundred total yards.

694
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't know. You're right though, on the mmeast. I mean,

695
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: at this point in the season, the only real metal

696
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: gaps should be by the officials. Okay, that's the only

697
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: metal gaps you really expect, Which brings us to the

698
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons flag earlier. Did you notice, Darren? Of course

699
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: you did. The Patriots color analysts the radio booth was

700
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: right next to us, and long time quarterback to Tom Brady.

701
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: Scott Zolak puts the color into color analyst. He's very boisterous,

702
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: very loud voice. He had some commentary when they're playing

703
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: the pregame music. Do you see where you ripped the

704
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: PA guy? And he screamed out in your pregame music sucks?

705
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: And he just good. And because there's nobody in the

706
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 1: lower bowl, there's no one in the stadium, his big voice,

707
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: just the six five, just bellows to a whole stadium.

708
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: And just to paint a picture for everybody, we're in

709
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: a radio booth with the windows open, and then they're

710
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: in the radio booth to our left facing the field

711
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: with their windows open. So we're not going to miss anything.

712
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 1: He's saying, so please, so proceed. So Kyle, when they

713
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: called the illegal block against Zeke Turner that prevented the

714
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: Patriots punt return for a touchdown, he literally took off

715
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: his headsets and leaned out and screw you blew it.

716
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: You blew it right. So the rest of the thing,

717
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,360
Speaker 1: and they're not going to hear it from anyone in

718
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: the stands, No, they're hearing it from the Pretriot's radio

719
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: color analyst, which was hilarious. So then when the Isaiah

720
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: Simmons flag was thrown and we saw the replay that

721
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: he's in bounds. I was this close darret ripping my

722
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 1: headset off and leaning out the booth he said he

723
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,239
Speaker 1: was in bounds and screaming it out for everyone to

724
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: hear in the whole stadium. But I figured decorum was

725
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,720
Speaker 1: the was a better approach at that point. That's probably

726
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 1: a good idea, but let's face it. I mean, Kyle,

727
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: come on out. The real reason the flag is thrown

728
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: is because you hit the quarterback too hard. That's what

729
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 1: it amounts too. That's really what it is. If you

730
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: hit the quarterback too hard, they're gonna flag you up. Yeah,

731
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: and the quarterback that's by all intents and pursposes, about

732
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: to step out of bounds. So you can understand what

733
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: the officials were thinking in the moment. And then you

734
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: watched the replay and he was in bounds. So by

735
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: the letter of the law, it certainly wasn't a penalty,

736
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: and I don't think it should have been flagged. But

737
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: you understand the thought process of what they were doing

738
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: in that situation. Seeing is how cam Newton was basically

739
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,240
Speaker 1: about to be out of bounds. And the bigger problem

740
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: I have with that with that play was for the Cardinals,

741
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: you're sitting at third and thirteen with fifty three or

742
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: fifty four seconds left, I feel like you had to

743
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: be ready for a run in that situation, even though

744
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: it's third and thirteen. It seemed like the Patriots hadn't

745
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: been thrown all day, and without the Cardinals having time outs,

746
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: if they run it, they basically forced overtime by doing that,

747
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,800
Speaker 1: and if you throw it in complete pass, then the

748
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 1: Cardinals have a chance to win. So the fact that

749
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were so aggressive going into the backfield, I

750
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,479
Speaker 1: feel like that was a big mistake on the front

751
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: end of it, and then it was just compounded with

752
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: the penalty to get them in field goal range. So

753
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: obviously a critical play in the game. And if if

754
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: the Cardinals played that a little bit softer and just

755
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: let Cam Newton run for five yards, then you're probably

756
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: going to overtime and nothing even happens with the penalty.

757
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,359
Speaker 1: So I think just obviously a crucial play in that game.

758
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I'm with you on that. Bringing the house I think

759
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: was the one big mistake schematically by the defense, But

760
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: at the very least. If you're going to do that,

761
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: you put a spy on cam on third and thirteen.

762
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: Do you not now? Was Isaiah Simmons the spy and

763
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: he was late getting over somehow got sucked into the

764
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: undertow of the box. I have no idea, but yeah,

765
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: that was confounding, There's no doubt about it. And we

766
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: all know how that ended. The question is where do

767
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: you think this leaves them now in terms of the

768
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: playoff race. I mean, Darren, we know they've had their

769
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: struggles against Sean mcveaoh and six. You know you have,

770
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: you know, some tough game. You have a Niners team

771
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: coming in that's now rolling well, coming in and coming

772
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 1: in for a month making themselves at home. We'll get

773
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: to that in a minute. But look, you have two

774
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: games that you're marking down as a win now against

775
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: the Eagles and Giants. But the Giants game is on

776
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: the road, albeit might be against Daniel Jones backup at

777
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: this stage, but I don't know, what do you think?

778
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,399
Speaker 1: How do you feel about the playoff chances right now? Well,

779
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: I mean they're in it right now, and that's better

780
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: than not being in it. But I mean they're being

781
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: chased and ultimately, you know, Dvander Campbell said it this week,

782
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: it's all what we want to do is out in

783
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: front of us. And I think as a player, all

784
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: you can really ask for is to be able to

785
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: control your own destiny. And at this point, they absolutely

786
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: still control their own destiny and they don't necessarily have

787
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: to win out. I think if you have fewer than

788
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: ten wins, you're going to make things real interesting. And obviously,

789
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: to get to ten wins, you got to win four

790
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: your five games, and like you said, two or against

791
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: the Rams, one against the Niners, and you don't know

792
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: what happens. Although those are the games. I mean, it

793
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: would be an abject disaster at this point if anybody

794
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,800
Speaker 1: lost to the Eagles, who would just look awful. But

795
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: the Giants are playing a little bit better football and

796
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: you would have to go on the road for that, So,

797
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, I just feel like if this team plays

798
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: like it's capable, they're going to be in the playoffs.

799
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 1: Now is this team going to play like it's capable?

800
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: I don't think how the offensive played the last two

801
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: weeks in particular, that's not that's below what this team

802
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: is capable of. Doing Can they find it again? Can

803
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: they find some of that offensive rhythm, and can they

804
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: do it against against starting this week, against a very

805
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: good defense. I don't know. I don't know if they

806
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: can all of a sudden find it. And that's a concern.

807
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: You would. Again, this is the time when you're supposed

808
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 1: to be rounding into shape in terms of everything clicking,

809
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: and I think there's doubts there. And I'm sure the

810
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: players were like, oh, you know, if I said that

811
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: to their face, they'd be like, oh, we'll show you.

812
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: And that's cool, and I hope all their confidence is

813
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: in the right place. But until you do it on

814
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 1: the field, who knows. I mean, Kyle and college were you?

815
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,239
Speaker 1: Were you that college student? Who I'm good. You know,

816
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: by the time the mid term gets here, I'll be

817
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 1: caught up and I'll ace the mid term and my

818
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: grade might not look so good now, But by the

819
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: time the time I get to the end of the

820
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: semester or the term between the mid term and the final,

821
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'll be good. I'll pull out that that

822
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: A or B. You know, there's plenty of college students

823
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 1: like that. Sometimes. This Cardinals team, for a large part

824
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: is immature, and they strike me as that college kid

825
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: we're just sort of biding his time until the big moments.

826
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: I'll ace that test and I'll be good by the

827
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,399
Speaker 1: end of the semester. Mom and Daddill like my report card.

828
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,360
Speaker 1: You definitely followed my college career closely, because that was

829
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 1: me to a t. Unfortunately, the A or the B

830
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: started turning into seas towards the end of college. But

831
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: I did get I did get through it. I mean

832
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think so necessarily in the Cardinals perspective.

833
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: I don't think they're sitting there like slow, playing this

834
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: and feeling like they can turn it on at any time.

835
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 1: I think you look at the New England game and

836
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: like we talked about, if you get six more inches

837
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 1: on that touchdown, you win. If if Zangen Zalis makes

838
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: a field goal, if you don't give up these huge

839
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: special teams plays. I mean, overall, the Cardinals dominated statistically,

840
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 1: so I think they're in a good spot. Think they're

841
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: a good team. I think if you're looking at all

842
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: these wildcard contenders, you'd much rather be in the Cardinal's

843
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: position than anybody else. You have a game lead, and

844
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 1: I think objectively, they have been a better team than

845
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: the Vikings, the Bears of the Niners. So I think

846
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: they're in a good spot. But you have five games

847
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: left and if you lose one or two in a

848
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: weird way like you did in New England, then maybe

849
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: you don't make it. So we'll see what happens. But

850
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, I don't think they're they're feeling

851
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: extra confident, like they can put their foot on the

852
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: gas and just blow teams away at any point. I

853
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of parody in the NFL, and

854
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 1: they've lost some heartbreakers recently that came down to the wire,

855
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 1: and you lose too many close games and you're not

856
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,760
Speaker 1: going to make the playoffs. So we'll see what happens.

857
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: But overall, I do think they're in pretty good shape. Now,

858
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, the Niners are in your rear

859
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: view mirror, a game behind you in the division, and

860
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 1: they're in your backyard literally for the next three weeks

861
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: or so with the Niners in the AZ So the

862
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: way this is going to work, Darren is they're gonna

863
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,360
Speaker 1: play on Monday night after the Cardinals play Sunday against

864
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: the Rams, and then with the Cardinals on the road

865
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: against the Giants, They're gonna have a game against Washington

866
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: both at State Farm Stadium, and then late in the

867
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: season as Cardinals Niners in the AZ so the Niners

868
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 1: will be in Arizona there by that time. Maybe Santa

869
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: Clara County will allow them to be back in their

870
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: home premises, but they're also going to stay reside in

871
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: practice in Arizona. Right My understanding is they're literally and

872
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: for all I know, they're going to stay at that

873
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: Renaissance right where the Cardinals stay during training camp, and

874
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: I think they're just going to practice right there next

875
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: to the stadium. And I do think even though the

876
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: Santa Clara County restrictions technically only go through December twenty first,

877
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: right now, I think there's a very very good chance

878
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,400
Speaker 1: that they end up just staying out here for the

879
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: balance of the season and play their final home game

880
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: when the Cardinals have to play out the Rams. The

881
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 1: last weekend, they have a home game, I think against

882
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: the Seahawks, So they're gonna be out here, and you

883
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: wonder a little bit if the Cardinals lose a little

884
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 1: bit of whatever for their home game against the Niners,

885
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: knowing that the Niners of ore are going to play

886
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: in the building two of the games before that, before

887
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: that game even happens, and they're gonna have a comfort

888
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: level there and with no fans. I don't know how

889
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: much it really makes the difference anyways, but yeah, they're here. Uh.

890
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 1: You know, Michael Bidwell wanted to be a good soldier

891
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 1: for the NFL and provide something to again get the

892
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 1: league through the season and make sure that nothing gets

893
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: jacked up. And you know, the four Niners have been

894
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 1: through a hell of a year between their injuries and

895
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: now this and what they've gone through and the wildfires,

896
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 1: and you you know that the fact that they're only

897
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: a game behind the Cardinals and still breathing for this

898
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: playoff spot is just unbelievable to me. You know, ESPN

899
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: was showing some video of Levi's stadium. They were talking

900
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: about the story. It was from the first week of

901
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: the season with all the smoke, and I forgot about that.

902
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: I forgot we were there and you couldn't see beyond

903
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 1: the upper deck of the stadium from across the press box.

904
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: It's right next to San Jose International Airport. You could

905
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: hear the Jets nearby, you could not see them. So

906
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 1: think of everything the Niners have been through, and honestly, Kyle,

907
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: for them to go down and beat the Rams when

908
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: they were getting on the team playing to go to

909
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: LA and the news broke via Twitter what was going

910
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: on with Santa Clara County, and Kyle Shanahan recounted how

911
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 1: everyone's coming up to him and he's getting text messages

912
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: from wives and girlfriends and the players themselves and everyone

913
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 1: wants to know and he's finding out on social media

914
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: and self for the first time. And for that Niners

915
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: team to have that sort of focus and go down

916
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: there and beat the Rams with a backup quarterback and

917
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: all the other injuries. I don't know if you can

918
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: win Coach of the Year when you don't make the playoffs,

919
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: but Kyle Shanahan right now, he's got to be a

920
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: serious consideration if they finished strong. Yeah, it's been really

921
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: impressive resilience and I think, well, we've seen with Kyle Shanahan.

922
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Unfortunately for him, he seems like shorthanded every single year

923
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: with these injuries, especially at quarterback. Well, we've seen how

924
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 1: good of a coach he is, and that's why you

925
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: worry about them hanging around. I mean, the Cardinals have

926
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: the tiebreaker right now because they want head to head,

927
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: So there are sensibly two games ahead of San Francisco,

928
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: and you figure with all the injuries that the forty

929
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: nine ers aren't going to be hanging around. But if

930
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,840
Speaker 1: they're able to stay in it, then there's talk of

931
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and George Kittle coming back for the last

932
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, which includes the game against the Cardinals,

933
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I mean, this might have been one

934
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,800
Speaker 1: nice game against the Rams where we're talking about the

935
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: Niners for one more week, but you know, if they

936
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: lose one or two more then that might be it

937
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: for them. But yeah, they're definitely a resilient team that

938
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: has been dealing with a lot, and kudos to Kyle

939
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: Shanahan for keeping that group on track. Well. The good

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948
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Speaker 1: the fact that I've seen on Twitter there's a bunch

949
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: of fans that have asked I'm not sure why they

950
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: care or not, but there's a bunch of fans asking

951
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: if the players are going to get taxed at the

952
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Arizona rate or the California rate by these weeks, which

953
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: big difference, big difference. Yeah, it is a big difference,

954
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 1: no doubt about that. I'll get my dad on to

955
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: comment on that. Anyway. Speaking of getting guys back, let's

956
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: leave it at this reinforcements on the D line, Darren,

957
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,359
Speaker 1: how realistic is it they get some of those big

958
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: bodies back. Well, Richard Lawrence has been activated to the

959
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: active roster, which is a big deal. And I think

960
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: there's some real hope that Lecky Foeto will be coming

961
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 1: back sooner rather than later too, So you know, if

962
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you can get those guys. They got Zack Allen back

963
00:47:56,719 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: last week. I haven't heard anything yet about Jordan Ups.

964
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't remember exactly when the three weeks is up

965
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: for him before he's easy isn't even eligible to practice again.

966
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 1: But you know, Josh Morrell went on the injury list

967
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: last week. You're not getting Corey Peters back obviously, you know. Again,

968
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: I think you just continue to tread water the best

969
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: you can. If you can get the two Brookies back

970
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: in there as part of the rotation, I think that

971
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: does help. Though. I think it was a Seattle game,

972
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: it kind of bleeds together. But I looked down and

973
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: at that one end of the bench where Brentson Buckner

974
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: holds camp, the D line coach, and he had like

975
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: three bodies. They're like three guys. It was like, where

976
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: where's the whole D line group? You know, it was

977
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: like the fewest numbers of guys I've ever seen with

978
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,400
Speaker 1: Brenson Buckner, and you're almost waiting for the coach to

979
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 1: go ahead. You know, he's known for showing his own

980
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: game film at times and motivating. You're almost waiting for

981
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: him to bust out from one of those bins behind

982
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 1: the bench. Is it was old uniform at that point.

983
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 1: He's the one that saw the Broncos not being able

984
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: to elevate their assistant coach to quarterback. You know, he

985
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: was disappointed, wondering if if covid it, if he could

986
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: strap it back up. I did. I did a podcast

987
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 1: with Frosty Rutger this week. I should have asked him

988
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: if he was available, if he wanted to pop back

989
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: over and play for the Cardinals. Where's he living now?

990
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: Is he back near usc Us? He's he's in southern

991
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: California that he's doing a podcast actually with a friend

992
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: of his, and they're covering essentially the NFL and the Rams.

993
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: So he had me on to talk about Cardinals Rams.

994
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: Although he assisted, the Cardinals were still his team and

995
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: he still follows them very closely. And Frosty, you know,

996
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: was always a great guy. I don't think he'd be

997
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: ready to step on the field or anything, but let's

998
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: face it, these are trying times in a lot of ways.

999
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: So I didn't get a chance to ask him that

1000
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 1: I should have. Well, the funny thing is that the

1001
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: defense has been so good, Like we talk about these

1002
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: injuries to the line, and like you mentioned earlier, the

1003
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 1: performance they did against the pass in New England, and

1004
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: the running game for the Patriots didn't do much either,

1005
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: So I've been super impressed by what they've done defensively

1006
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 1: and the back. They were talking about the passing game,

1007
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: and I know you talked about it earlier, Paul, like,

1008
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: this is what we thought the Cardinals were going to be,

1009
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: was this seventy five percent of the time, chucking the

1010
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: ball around, scoring a bunch of points, playing in shootouts

1011
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: and maybe winning or losing thirty five to thirty four.

1012
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: And instead it's the defense that's really keeping this team

1013
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: in games. And we'll see where it goes from here.

1014
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: But I think Vance Joseph has done a really incredible job,

1015
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: and the secondary, especially these last few weeks, has been

1016
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: super solid, and I think you know that bodes well

1017
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: for the future if the offense can get it going.

1018
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: Are you a believer count in the metric passer rating

1019
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: against a defense? There are a lot of analysts who

1020
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 1: like that. They think that's telling of a defense, what

1021
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: sort of passer rating they hold the opposing quarterback too,

1022
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: Because once again Cam Newton had less than at twenty

1023
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: four passer rating and the Cardinals did not win the game.

1024
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: That's what's most vexing to me. Yeah, and I don't

1025
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: I don't love passer rating in and of itself, but

1026
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: that basically says what happened in the game. So I

1027
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: think it was definitely factual in this situation. And I

1028
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 1: mean you're right anyway. You look at Cam Newton's passing numbers,

1029
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: they were awful. I mean he was rated the worst

1030
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: quarterback in total QBR all week. And the fact that

1031
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 1: you lose a game when you hold a quarterback to

1032
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: eighty four yards passing and pick him off twice, I mean,

1033
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: it's just incredible that the Cardinals didn't find a way

1034
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: to win that game. And I think special teams was

1035
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: a huge culprit, and I think when you look forward,

1036
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: that's probably a good thing because you'd rather have your

1037
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: defense playing well than getting a flukey game from special teams.

1038
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: And if they can get that stuff ironed out, using

1039
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: Gonzales can make those high pressure kicks, which I think

1040
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: is a legitimate questions if he's in his head or

1041
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: not at this point after missing a few of them,

1042
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: But clearly, when games are that close, you need your

1043
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: kicker to come through, and everybody obviously is going to

1044
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,840
Speaker 1: be watching that closely. Well, Darren Enclosing, feel free to

1045
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: text Frosty Rucker and tell him that I know he's

1046
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: got a big time podcast now in your evidence of that,

1047
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: But he doesn't have his old team. Carson Palmer told

1048
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: Ue thinks he's his guy from the USC days. No,

1049
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: not this week. I've got Carson Palmer this week on

1050
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: the podcast, So I feel free to let Frosty know

1051
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,560
Speaker 1: that I big time him. Pauli Pencil Mack. It's twenty

1052
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: fifteen all over again, baby, and that'll do it. Where

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