WEBVTT - Ocean's Eleven with Edgar Momplaisir 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:03.840 On the dol cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:07.840 women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:13.600 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.640 --> 0:00:16.720 it with the Bedel Cast. Hi, and welcome to the 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:18.840 Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. His name is 0:00:18.920 --> 0:00:21.560 Jamie Lofts, and we talk about the portrayal of women 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.640 in movies podcast that you're listening to. That's right. Oh 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.159 my gosh, oh that was a little chip and a 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:31.320 little chip that was reminded me of your slurpers. My 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.920 kissing sounds um alright, So anyway we talk about women 0:00:35.200 --> 0:00:39.519 in movies. We determine if movies pass the Bechdel test, 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:41.519 which we do more than that. We do so much 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:44.320 more than that. Yeah, But for those who aren't in 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:48.040 the know, the Bechtel test is a test that requires 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:51.560 that a movie has two female characters in it who 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:54.920 have names, they talked to each other, and they cannot 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:58.760 be talking about men whatsoever. Let's pay a test. Okay, 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:03.200 Hey Jamie, hey, kit, do you like apple juice? I 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.680 can't take it or leave it? And that passes the 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.319 Bechtel test. Wow, and what an exciting premise for a 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.959 movie will make content. Yeah, I see like a six 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:18.280 or seven sequel franchise really fully bankrolled by Mots. We're sellouts. Mots. 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:23.360 You listening all right? So we're here with a guest, 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.920 as we always are. Um, they say, a friend of 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.039 the show. But this is kind of an enemy of 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.600 the show, my personal enemy. None of the show of me. Okay, 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.720 so enemy of Jamie friend of me. Uh. He is 0:01:35.760 --> 0:01:38.560 a writer, a comedian and co host of the Culture 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:42.319 King's podcast that's on the house Stuff Works Network. Edgar 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:49.720 mon plus here and whoa coming in hot? Caitlin. Thank 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.040 you so much for having me. Caitlin. You're an old 0:01:52.160 --> 0:01:56.240 friend of mine. It's been so good. I was talking 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:59.600 to Caitlin fine. Thank you for saying Jamie and I 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:03.120 have a long running beef because she has outdone me 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:08.120 as a guest how Stuff Works podcast. You know you 0:02:10.360 --> 0:02:13.600 have to wow. Should I be like the referee of this? 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:18.679 That means a new outfit? That sounds fun. Well anyway, Edgar, 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.480 We're so happy to have you here, and we are 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:25.800 talking about Oceans eleven, the two thousand one version directed 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.839 by Steven Soderbergh. Yeah, Edgar, when did you first see 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:32.080 this movie? Probably when I was a kid. My dad 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:35.200 and my uncle's are big fans of the Channel Networks 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:39.000 USA and T n T, so I would watch this 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:44.520 movie and many other movies like it rotation. Yes it is, 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.880 Yes it is. So i'd watch this movie as a 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:50.120 kid all the time. I do have a problem with 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:52.919 this movie and that I don't know the difference between 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.760 the three very well. So when watching it, I kept 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.560 waiting for that Elvis scene and it never happened because 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.320 that's not in this one. And I was like, Oh, 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:04.000 this Elvis scene is going to happen at some point. 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:06.080 Wait which one is that? I think it's in twelve 0:03:06.400 --> 0:03:09.239 If I'm not really because I just also rewatched that 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:12.960 and I don't remember it might be. I don't know. 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:14.919 There's a scene where it's a bunch of elvis Is 0:03:14.960 --> 0:03:16.520 and then they all do and then that's when Bernie 0:03:16.600 --> 0:03:19.880 mac dies. Am I crazy? That does happen? I think 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.880 maybe it is. Yeah, I don't think it's twelve, definitely 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:25.760 not eleven. All right. Well, the only reason why I 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:28.680 remember that scene specifically is because there was one time. 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:31.040 This is a terrible story, but I'll tell this part 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:34.000 of the story. Anyways, I was having sex with a 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.080 person the day of my best friend's funeral. We were 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:39.920 in a hotel and that movie was playing on the TV, 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.720 and I think as a way to cope with the 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.440 death of my best friend, I became immediately more focused 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.839 on the movie and I was trying to see whether 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:52.080 it was eleven, twelve or thirteen based on various clues. Interesting, 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:54.680 I believe it was thirteen. I'm still not sure until 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:57.840 this day, but probably the worst sexual experience I've ever 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:00.680 had in my life. Yeah, you can never enjoy like 0:04:01.040 --> 0:04:04.760 you Trauma Bond speak for yourself, Jamie. That's true. I 0:04:05.240 --> 0:04:07.880 didn't enjoy it at all. Something very upset. Yeah, I 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.680 had a really bad breakup. My boyfriend came over to 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:12.480 be like, hey, I've been cheating on you. In the 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:14.840 middle of a John ban A documentary I was really 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.880 excited to watch, and I was so sad. Katie Perry, she, well, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.359 I'll never know how it ends, was she, Katie Perry. No, 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.080 it was a really bad one that came out that 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.960 where they smashed a pink said with a hand like, 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:30.560 this is what it would have been like that. That's 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:34.239 a very popular internet conspiracy is that John Baniy Ramsey 0:04:34.240 --> 0:04:36.599 grew up to be Katie Perry. What. I have never 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:41.360 heard that before. The other good one is Avril Levine 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.279 that she was dead and replaced with a body doublet 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.480 I have heard that one. That's a good one. Interesting 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:55.800 all right, Well, anyways, speaking of long cons wowsition, Jamie, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.919 what's your what's your history with Oceans eleven? I know 0:04:59.040 --> 0:05:02.240 that I thought it was the Big Chilly. It's not 0:05:02.320 --> 0:05:06.520 the Big Chill. It's actually a different movie. But I 0:05:06.560 --> 0:05:09.200 have seen it before. My mom made me watch it, 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:12.520 and she was horny for various cast members, and so 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.760 I think we probably watched that tant or something I 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.039 guess I would like in middle school or something. Sure, 0:05:17.120 --> 0:05:20.440 I understand that particular attachment to it. Don cheatles like 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:25.159 Cockney accident really really inspired a sexual awakening for me. 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:28.039 Really not like a good Cockney accent though, right, Like 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.520 it just sounds really fake. He's very hot in this movie. 0:05:31.520 --> 0:05:37.120 Don't in this movie? Don't you always? But his his accident? 0:05:37.200 --> 0:05:39.760 I was like, is that right? I don't know. I 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.520 was struggling with I bought it. I have a clarification 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:46.520 to make It's not Oceans eleven. It's a different two 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:49.839 thousand and one's Las Vegas highest movie called three Thousand 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.880 Miles to Graceland. Oh oh, well, that explains the Elvis 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.160 is Yeah, why have I seen that scene? I mean, 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 maybe you've seen that movie. Maybe I have seen and 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:04.240 it's not Bernie mac who dies, it's bochim Woodbine. I 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.120 would like to apologize to any Bokim Woodbine fans who 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:09.719 were just like, how dare he disrespect him? There? I 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.720 mean they're listening. They're listening. Get a lot of a 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.159 lot of tweets. Thanks for your clarification. Community is gonna 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.920 go fucking wild. I saw this movie in the theater 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.520 Huge Break in two thousand one. At the time, I 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:28.040 really liked it. I didn't know what this movie was about, 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.320 or hadn't heard of the original nineteen sixty versions, so 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:33.599 I like had no context for it, and I just 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:35.880 went in kind of blind and I was like, oh 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:38.400 my god, this is the best movie ever. So cool. 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:42.400 I wrote like a paper about it in college. I really, 0:06:42.520 --> 0:06:45.520 for the longest time, really really loved the papers about 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.360 so many It's because we went to college so much. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:51.599 It's because I went to so many colleges including Boston 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.880 University four master's degree in screen writing. I hate to 0:06:54.920 --> 0:07:00.400 bring it up, but but yeah, I really enjoyed this movie, 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:03.520 but I haven't rewatched it in quite a few years, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:07.120 so I am excited to talk about it. It's interesting, 0:07:07.560 --> 0:07:09.760 and we have for some reason, covered a lot of 0:07:09.800 --> 0:07:11.640 movies that came out in the year two thousand and 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.160 one on this podcast, because every time you talk about 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:16.000 something that happens in two thousand one, you have to 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:17.960 figure out what part of two thousand one it came 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:22.440 out in, if it was pre or post Shrek exactly. 0:07:22.760 --> 0:07:25.119 That is where that is, of course, the major event 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.000 of two thousand and one. Yeah, Shrek was the last 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:32.160 knell of innocence that because I was like July and 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.320 then this came out in December, which I you know, 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.040 it's just worth saying because when you say two thousand one, 0:07:38.440 --> 0:07:40.520 you want to know. And also it in you know, 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:46.160 nine leven, unfortunately informed all media consumption habits forever after that. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.840 That's so interesting that it came out post eleven, because 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.360 it's a movie chalk full of explosives. Yeah. Yeah, and 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:54.000 then I was I was wondering that I had to 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:55.800 stop it in the middle to be like, but it 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.160 did so well, Like it was super sich like the 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:01.160 highest grossing film two thousand one, right right, yeah, and 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:05.120 like I don't I wonder why this movie like did 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:07.000 so well, and it's I mean, I mean, it's an 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.360 all star cast. It was like everyone hans of a 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.800 listers in this movie. One of the reasons we're doing 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.160 this movie is because Oceans eight is coming out, and 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.240 of course there you can only have eight because there's 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:23.400 only eight actresses total total in the word originally there 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.080 aren't eleven actresses, so they can only have eight. Well, 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.560 my guess is that they're gonna they're planning this as 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.480 a trilogy, so they're going to do Oceans eight, nine, 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.520 and ten, and then there's already eleven, twelve, and thirteen, 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.040 and then they're going to bring it back around with 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.160 a co ed cast. Is my guests for fourteen, fifteen, 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:45.120 and sixteen. But if they're going to have to cut 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:46.800 out so many people, I mean, I guess some of 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.520 them are dead so they don't have to worry about that. 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:52.760 But like, or they just totally recast it altogether, or 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:58.640 they can just stop. I'm I'm tired, I'm tired. The 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:03.000 extended Ocean in eleven Universe and then and then it's 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.160 gonna be where do we leave off his four? Then 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:11.160 it's going to be seventeen, eighteen and nineteen comprised entirely 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.360 of non binary, gender fluid, gender queer people. Can they 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:17.040 just make a movie like? Why does they have to 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:21.280 be in? Oh? Okay, so we're well, let's let's get 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.040 into the movie. But I just have to say that 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.520 everyone hates Jeli right, but Danny Ocean is a worst 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:33.080 name for a protagonist than Larry Jeelie and I will 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:36.240 die on that hill. I couldn't. I was like when 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:38.200 he's like, my name is Daniel Ocean, I was like, 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:42.840 this is a fucking dumb name name. I disagree, I think, 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:48.640 and honest I really do. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm surprised 0:09:48.640 --> 0:09:51.280 by this because it's not good and you thought I 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:54.959 had better taste. I came in here being like, man, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.720 they're going to really dislike this movie. But then I'm 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:01.439 surprised to see that. I'm more with Jamie being like, yo, 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:03.400 this is this movie is kind of wild in some ways, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:06.160 and you're like, you're defending I'm kind of well, here's 0:10:06.160 --> 0:10:10.319 the thing. I love a good heist movie. And this 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:12.400 is a fun romp. This is a romp and I 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:19.199 love a good romp. And hey, all tender matches taken 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:26.640 up this woman. Yeah, Daniel Ocean worst name than Larry 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:32.640 ge sound off so my mentions, Look, Larry is a 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:43.640 fun name, Larry with really terrible Okay, I'll do the recap. Yeah, 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:47.439 let's do it. So Danny Ocean best name in Hollywood, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:50.760 the best name of a character ever, mixing up up 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:55.920 with played by George Clooney. He's released from prison. He 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.120 was there because he's a comm man. He's a thief. Yeah, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.360 he's that. But he was handsome. He was handsome. So 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:03.679 they're like, here, you can be in prison for four 0:11:03.720 --> 0:11:06.120 years and we'll just let you go. It's handsome and 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:09.720 white privilege. And so he's like, I have an idea, 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:13.000 and he gets a gang together to rob three casinos 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:15.760 in Las Vegas. Ever heard of it? And they're all 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:19.560 owned by Terry Benedict. So that is a great name. 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.679 Hate Danny Ocean. Love Terry Benedict. I don't know. I 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.040 had an issue with his name being Terry Benedict, and 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:28.400 I was like, yeah, I was just like, how do 0:11:28.440 --> 0:11:33.760 you get pet Nade. He sounds like a breakfast. Give 0:11:33.800 --> 0:11:38.080 me the Terry Benedict, I wish, I wish that. Okay. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.720 My two favorite character names for men, Dan Mansion, I 0:11:41.760 --> 0:11:45.080 think is a better name than Danny Ocean Dan Mansion 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:51.200 and then Mike randoma from what's that from? You say it? 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:58.240 Say it, Mike Randma. My grandma sounds like my grandma innocent? 0:11:58.320 --> 0:12:04.920 What an innocent joke. I'm gonna edit that out. Okay, Okay. 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:08.240 So Danny is getting his gang together. They form a plan. 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.600 They're like, we gotta get past all this security. We 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:12.319 gotta get inside the vaul. Then we have to get 0:12:12.320 --> 0:12:15.320 back outside the vault with all this money. They have 0:12:15.440 --> 0:12:18.320 to heck into the main frame. And everyone has this 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:22.200 like certain specialty. There's eleven of them total, get it. 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:25.520 That's the name of the movie. Everyone's playing a few 0:12:25.520 --> 0:12:28.679 different roles in this whole heist thing. And then Frosty 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:32.320 tips others don't, such as Rusty Ryan played by Brad 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:36.679 pitt Uh. He and Danny are bros. They are BFFs. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:39.400 But he figures out that the reason that Danny Ocean 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:42.360 is going after these three casinos and Terry Benedict is 0:12:42.400 --> 0:12:47.880 because Terry Benedict is dating Danny Ocean's ex wife Tests, 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.880 She's fully lost in the Benedict sauce she loves. She 0:12:53.160 --> 0:13:03.400 orders him for breakfast every day. Oh, I'm on Terry's team. No, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:05.800 I'm kidding. He's bad. He's real bad. Okay. So then 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:09.760 Rusty's like, Danny, what are you doing bros? Before hose 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.280 And Danny's like, no, this isn't going to affect the plan. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.800 And then they do the heights. There's like some twists 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:19.760 and turns, mostly everything goes according to plan and they 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.720 get the money. And then at the end, Test basically 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:28.880 learns that Terry Benedict is a capitalist who loves capitalism 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:34.360 and capitalists. He loves his money more than he loves women. 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.480 So Tess leaves him to go back to Danny and 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:41.760 then they all live happily ever after. It's competent because 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:44.720 I love money more than men. So in that way 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.600 I can connect with Terry Bennedict's point of view. Yeah 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:54.880 you're yeah, I'm a Benedict apologis. So not surprisingly, there 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.400 is only one female character in this movie, the entire movie, 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:01.199 the entire there I I made a list of all 0:14:01.240 --> 0:14:04.440 the women with speaking roles, and I think it's only 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.520 four of them that we see on screen, and then 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:10.720 a couple of disembodied female voices at the very beginning, 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:14.440 and a lot of disembodied female body parts, yes, that 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:18.040 are not given voices. And I would, with some exception, 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:21.400 to probably extend those criticism to like most movies that 0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.680 take place in Las Vegas, of like using women as 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:27.840 set dressing in a major way. Like there's literally the 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.240 first big card game in this movie. You can just 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:34.040 see like legs, yeah, in a window, like you, but 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:37.040 just legs. One woman is allowed to be playing cards, 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:40.120 but she can't say, you know, she's and we I 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.120 don't know if we ever learned her name. I think 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.960 her name is Holly, the woman playing cards. Yeah, oh no, no, no, 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.840 she's a celebrity. Well I don't mean to explain, but 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:54.160 like she's like she's a celebrity, and I think she's 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:57.760 the lead from Charmed and the ideas that Bratt Pitt's 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:01.560 character now is teaching, yes, famous people how to play cards. 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.800 So she's one of the famous people playing cards. But 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.600 again I put an asterist on that famous because not 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:08.400 a single one of the people playing cards at that 0:15:08.480 --> 0:15:14.360 table are relevant anymore anymore. The closest a long yeah, 0:15:17.720 --> 0:15:22.960 and josh Joshua Joshua Jackson and Shane West. And then 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.720 I didn't recognize any of the other people, so I 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:30.040 didn't he's the lead from Charmed, like not Shannon Dartie, Holy, 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:33.520 Marie Combs. Let's see holl Marie Combs of One of 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:36.760 my favorite was Pretty Little Liars. Oh, I think that 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.800 I guess that could have but then she just, yeah, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:41.000 she was like she wasn't allowed to talk very much. 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:43.480 She basically just says call over and over again because 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:47.480 she's playing poker. So yeah, it was okay, okay, Yeah, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.080 she is one of the four women who we see 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:53.120 on screen with speaking role, but yeah, she's only in 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:54.680 the movie for a couple of scenes and then we 0:15:54.720 --> 0:15:57.840 didn't never see her again. Another one is the is 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:01.240 a blackjack dealer in the very beginning that Danny Ocean 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:05.320 talks to for maybe thirty seconds. That's frustrating too, because 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:07.760 the first like a couple of minutes of the movie 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:10.640 you see there's like a few female characters. One of 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:16.560 the people interviewing Danny when he's like getting out of jail. Yeah, 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:19.480 like you can tell, like it's a female voice, but 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.080 you're just looking at George Clooney the whole time. And 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.560 then the black jack scene you hear the voice. I 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:29.080 think you see her once in like one shot, and 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.920 then you just look at George Cluney the whole time, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.520 and then once Bernie Max on screen, then you cut 0:16:33.560 --> 0:16:35.760 back and forth. But for the first couple of women 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.560 who could appear on screen, they just like to be like, 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.800 or we could just look at George Clooney right, like, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.960 we don't need to see women women. Well, the fans 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.040 paid to see George Clooney, and dammit, thir they spent 0:16:49.160 --> 0:16:55.280 their to this blackjack deal there they everyone saved up 0:16:55.320 --> 0:17:00.760 their hard earned clune bucks Clooney cash. When I was 0:17:00.840 --> 0:17:03.120 hitting it hard at that gas station in two thousand one, 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.359 I wasn't saving my money to see some blackjack. You're 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:11.679 saving for some Clooney. Do you guys accept car fresh 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:15.000 off of that Batman and Robin fame. Oh sure, Yeah. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:18.480 So that's half of the characters already, women who we 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.320 immediately cut away from and then don't see again. Another 0:17:21.320 --> 0:17:24.320 one who named Charmaine. She's a stripper who plays a 0:17:24.400 --> 0:17:27.040 very very small role in helping them get an access 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.160 card that they need to like hack into the main frame. 0:17:29.280 --> 0:17:32.440 And she's also very important because she is, to my knowledge, 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:35.560 the first mother and daughter strip repair I've ever heard of. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:42.440 M met me and my mind go to the Foxy 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:46.000 Lady and Massachusetts. When I heard that joke, I was like, 0:17:46.000 --> 0:17:48.119 this is such a weird joke to be making. Was like, 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.399 say hi to my mom. Right, well, I want to 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.879 talk about that conversation a little bit later. But so, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.840 the main female character is test played by Julia Roberts. 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:01.399 We do not see her on screen until forty four 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:05.840 minutes into the movie, and when she does come on screen, 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:10.120 Matt Damon's all like, who's the best part in my day? 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:14.400 And then we cut to Julia Roberts wearing like a 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:19.200 foxy red outfit. There's like sexy music playing and she's 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:24.040 like walking down the stairs like very so it's like 0:18:24.160 --> 0:18:28.080 very male gaze, like, oh, look at this foxy lady, 0:18:28.280 --> 0:18:32.359 And then we learned that basically the plot of the 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:37.320 movie is that Danny Ocean is targeting these three casinos 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:41.240 because Terry Benedict stole his woman and he wants to 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.919 win her back because he sees this woman as something 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:49.080 he can steal, just like any other like con that 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:52.280 he wants to pull, Like, yeah, classic, I see romance 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.280 in this, I don't know, and I don't know, I 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:59.080 truly do see romance in this. Is like it is 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:02.840 an interesting version of the plot of so many movies, 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.120 which is like, I'm gonna trick her into loving me again, right, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.240 like the little road, you know, George Cloney's rebin is 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.960 a little pause together, He's gotta he's gotta a rack coloon, 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:20.520 a little rack Cooney a little He's like like a raccoon. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:25.640 But yes, sorry, let me keep explaining. He's gonna out 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:31.120 Benedict Terry at his own game. And there I forgot 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:32.760 that that was the setup of the movie. I just 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:35.000 remember that they were stealing stuff. I forgot that it 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:40.960 was like and then she'll have to marry me like wright, right, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:45.760 So like that's a big romance. I mean, like it's 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:50.200 a big romantic gesture. It's a wide swing. You could 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:51.960 look at it that way. You could also look at 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:55.359 it and that he basically views her as property because well, 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:58.680 I mean, we don't know how necessarily Danny Ocean feels 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:00.440 about the situation, but I think it's pretty clear that 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.440 the movie is coming from a standpoint where she's essentially 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:08.399 a plot device, because it doesn't really make any sense 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.399 that she is with Terry Benedict, but it's convenient for 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:15.040 the story because then that motivates Danny Ocean to pull 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:19.399 this heist, because we as we see in so many movies, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.440 we don't necessarily understand why Tests and Terry Benedict are 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:27.119 together because they don't seem that compatible. Because Tests is 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:31.520 not actually a fully realized, developed character. She's with him 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.159 because it serves the story and it's convenient for the plot, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:41.000 and Test is a really poor, like underwritten character where 0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:44.000 a lot of like the tropes they lean into, and 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.800 and every character in this movie is underwritten, maybe with 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:52.359 the exception of Danny, like he's the only character that 0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:54.240 you were like, okay, I think I fully get where 0:20:54.240 --> 0:20:56.200 this guy is coming from, even though you know, I 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.280 don't agree with it, but whatever, But there's just like 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.560 too many bull in this movie in general, where nine 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.639 out of the eleven men blend together. For me, I'm like, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:08.520 oh there, why would you put Matt Damon and Bradbitt 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:12.239 like they have the same face. It's confusing, But like 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.240 Test Ocean classic. We gotta give this woman a job. 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:20.680 She's an art curator, like that's so many movies, or 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.679 like she runs you know she like because I I 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:26.520 wonder why that's like a classic, like more of like 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:29.800 a rom com trope of like, oh, she's does business, 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:33.520 but like girl business, you know, like not it's not 0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:37.280 too threatening if she runs a gallery. I don't know 0:21:37.280 --> 0:21:41.000 if you know this, but women can only be museum curators, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.840 or they work at a magazine in New York City, 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.320 or they own a bakery, or they're a wedding planner. 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:51.240 I love when they're journalists, but then they get a 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:54.400 little too into this story and then the lines blur 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.720 in there that kiss. Those are all good jobs as 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:03.800 high paying job was Okay, they're good five figures a year. 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:08.480 It's true. They have gorgeous apartments all the time. Listen, Okay, 0:22:08.520 --> 0:22:12.080 I mean she was baiting a casino mogul, you know. 0:22:12.160 --> 0:22:15.200 I mean that's a good place to be. The terry 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.600 they say that he's worth nearly a billion dollars, So 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:24.440 is that in usd S or Benedict? But I did 0:22:24.520 --> 0:22:26.840 want to say that, like I found it a little 0:22:26.840 --> 0:22:29.600 bit interesting that like a trope that I hated movies 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:32.879 is that, like the person that she's seeing is like 0:22:32.880 --> 0:22:35.560 a bad person. Like I've always hated that in movies 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:37.920 because it's just like they broke up with you originally 0:22:37.920 --> 0:22:39.439 because you were a douche are like you know, like 0:22:39.480 --> 0:22:41.920 I don't like the idea of like you can steal 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:44.639 someone away from their partner may be based on my 0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.880 own insecurities of that happening one day, but like, um, 0:22:48.920 --> 0:22:50.720 I was like kind of rooting for it to happen 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.280 because I was like, yo, you know this Terry Benedict 0:22:52.320 --> 0:22:54.080 dude's kind of a douche. But oh sure, I mean 0:22:54.119 --> 0:22:56.680 we don't like him as the audience of course, right, 0:22:56.840 --> 0:22:59.720 but like the Terry Benic character being so flat out 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:04.439 like cartoon villainy mustache, twisty evil. I feel like the 0:23:04.480 --> 0:23:08.160 reason that's done is because Danny is not a good guy. 0:23:08.400 --> 0:23:12.040 And so you know exactly like you have to make 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.520 someone wearse and the rules of this cinematic universe is 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:19.080 girl has to be with someone so rofully, the one 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:22.720 that is more handsome and less bad like, and that's 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.160 just sort of what the rules of engagement are. There's 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.600