1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: On the dol cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: it with the Bedel Cast. Hi, and welcome to the 5 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante. His name is 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Jamie Lofts, and we talk about the portrayal of women 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: in movies podcast that you're listening to. That's right. Oh 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,159 Speaker 1: my gosh, oh that was a little chip and a 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: little chip that was reminded me of your slurpers. My 10 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: kissing sounds um alright, So anyway we talk about women 11 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 1: in movies. We determine if movies pass the Bechdel test, 12 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 1: which we do more than that. We do so much 13 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: more than that. Yeah, But for those who aren't in 14 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: the know, the Bechtel test is a test that requires 15 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: that a movie has two female characters in it who 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: have names, they talked to each other, and they cannot 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: be talking about men whatsoever. Let's pay a test. Okay, 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, hey, kit, do you like apple juice? I 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: can't take it or leave it? And that passes the 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: Bechtel test. Wow, and what an exciting premise for a 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: movie will make content. Yeah, I see like a six 22 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: or seven sequel franchise really fully bankrolled by Mots. We're sellouts. Mots. 23 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: You listening all right? So we're here with a guest, 24 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: as we always are. Um, they say, a friend of 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: the show. But this is kind of an enemy of 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: the show, my personal enemy. None of the show of me. Okay, 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:35,720 Speaker 1: so enemy of Jamie friend of me. Uh. He is 28 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,560 Speaker 1: a writer, a comedian and co host of the Culture 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:42,319 Speaker 1: King's podcast that's on the house Stuff Works Network. Edgar 30 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: mon plus here and whoa coming in hot? Caitlin. Thank 31 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: you so much for having me. Caitlin. You're an old 32 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: friend of mine. It's been so good. I was talking 33 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: to Caitlin fine. Thank you for saying Jamie and I 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: have a long running beef because she has outdone me 35 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 1: as a guest how Stuff Works podcast. You know you 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: have to wow. Should I be like the referee of this? 37 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,679 Speaker 1: That means a new outfit? That sounds fun. Well anyway, Edgar, 38 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you here, and we are 39 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: talking about Oceans eleven, the two thousand one version directed 40 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:28,839 Speaker 1: by Steven Soderbergh. Yeah, Edgar, when did you first see 41 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: this movie? Probably when I was a kid. My dad 42 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: and my uncle's are big fans of the Channel Networks 43 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: USA and T n T, so I would watch this 44 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: movie and many other movies like it rotation. Yes it is, 45 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: Yes it is. So i'd watch this movie as a 46 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: kid all the time. I do have a problem with 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: this movie and that I don't know the difference between 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: the three very well. So when watching it, I kept 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: waiting for that Elvis scene and it never happened because 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: that's not in this one. And I was like, Oh, 51 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: this Elvis scene is going to happen at some point. 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 1: Wait which one is that? I think it's in twelve 53 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: If I'm not really because I just also rewatched that 54 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 1: and I don't remember it might be. I don't know. 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: There's a scene where it's a bunch of elvis Is 56 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: and then they all do and then that's when Bernie 57 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 1: mac dies. Am I crazy? That does happen? I think 58 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: maybe it is. Yeah, I don't think it's twelve, definitely 59 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: not eleven. All right. Well, the only reason why I 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: remember that scene specifically is because there was one time. 61 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: This is a terrible story, but I'll tell this part 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: of the story. Anyways, I was having sex with a 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: person the day of my best friend's funeral. We were 64 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: in a hotel and that movie was playing on the TV, 65 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: and I think as a way to cope with the 66 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: death of my best friend, I became immediately more focused 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: on the movie and I was trying to see whether 68 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 1: it was eleven, twelve or thirteen based on various clues. Interesting, 69 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: I believe it was thirteen. I'm still not sure until 70 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: this day, but probably the worst sexual experience I've ever 71 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 1: had in my life. Yeah, you can never enjoy like 72 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: you Trauma Bond speak for yourself, Jamie. That's true. I 73 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: didn't enjoy it at all. Something very upset. Yeah, I 74 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: had a really bad breakup. My boyfriend came over to 75 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: be like, hey, I've been cheating on you. In the 76 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: middle of a John ban A documentary I was really 77 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 1: excited to watch, and I was so sad. Katie Perry, she, well, 78 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 1: I'll never know how it ends, was she, Katie Perry. No, 79 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: it was a really bad one that came out that 80 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: where they smashed a pink said with a hand like, 81 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: this is what it would have been like that. That's 82 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:34,239 Speaker 1: a very popular internet conspiracy is that John Baniy Ramsey 83 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: grew up to be Katie Perry. What. I have never 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: heard that before. The other good one is Avril Levine 85 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: that she was dead and replaced with a body doublet 86 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: I have heard that one. That's a good one. Interesting 87 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: all right, Well, anyways, speaking of long cons wowsition, Jamie, 88 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: what's your what's your history with Oceans eleven? I know 89 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: that I thought it was the Big Chilly. It's not 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: the Big Chill. It's actually a different movie. But I 91 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: have seen it before. My mom made me watch it, 92 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: and she was horny for various cast members, and so 93 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: I think we probably watched that tant or something I 94 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 1: guess I would like in middle school or something. Sure, 95 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I understand that particular attachment to it. Don cheatles like 96 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: Cockney accident really really inspired a sexual awakening for me. 97 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: Really not like a good Cockney accent though, right, Like 98 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: it just sounds really fake. He's very hot in this movie. 99 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Don't in this movie? Don't you always? But his his accident? 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: I was like, is that right? I don't know. I 101 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: was struggling with I bought it. I have a clarification 102 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: to make It's not Oceans eleven. It's a different two 103 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: thousand and one's Las Vegas highest movie called three Thousand 104 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: Miles to Graceland. Oh oh, well, that explains the Elvis 105 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: is Yeah, why have I seen that scene? I mean, 106 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: maybe you've seen that movie. Maybe I have seen and 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: it's not Bernie mac who dies, it's bochim Woodbine. I 108 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: would like to apologize to any Bokim Woodbine fans who 109 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 1: were just like, how dare he disrespect him? There? I 110 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: mean they're listening. They're listening. Get a lot of a 111 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: lot of tweets. Thanks for your clarification. Community is gonna 112 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: go fucking wild. I saw this movie in the theater 113 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Huge Break in two thousand one. At the time, I 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: really liked it. I didn't know what this movie was about, 115 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: or hadn't heard of the original nineteen sixty versions, so 116 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: I like had no context for it, and I just 117 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: went in kind of blind and I was like, oh 118 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: my god, this is the best movie ever. So cool. 119 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: I wrote like a paper about it in college. I really, 120 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: for the longest time, really really loved the papers about 121 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: so many It's because we went to college so much. 122 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,599 Speaker 1: It's because I went to so many colleges including Boston 123 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: University four master's degree in screen writing. I hate to 124 00:06:54,920 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: bring it up, but but yeah, I really enjoyed this movie, 125 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: but I haven't rewatched it in quite a few years, 126 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: so I am excited to talk about it. It's interesting, 127 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: and we have for some reason, covered a lot of 128 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: movies that came out in the year two thousand and 129 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: one on this podcast, because every time you talk about 130 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: something that happens in two thousand one, you have to 131 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: figure out what part of two thousand one it came 132 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: out in, if it was pre or post Shrek exactly. 133 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,119 Speaker 1: That is where that is, of course, the major event 134 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: of two thousand and one. Yeah, Shrek was the last 135 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: knell of innocence that because I was like July and 136 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 1: then this came out in December, which I you know, 137 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: it's just worth saying because when you say two thousand one, 138 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: you want to know. And also it in you know, 139 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: nine leven, unfortunately informed all media consumption habits forever after that. 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: That's so interesting that it came out post eleven, because 141 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 1: it's a movie chalk full of explosives. Yeah. Yeah, and 142 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: then I was I was wondering that I had to 143 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: stop it in the middle to be like, but it 144 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: did so well, Like it was super sich like the 145 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: highest grossing film two thousand one, right right, yeah, and 146 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: like I don't I wonder why this movie like did 147 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: so well, and it's I mean, I mean, it's an 148 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: all star cast. It was like everyone hans of a 149 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: listers in this movie. One of the reasons we're doing 150 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: this movie is because Oceans eight is coming out, and 151 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: of course there you can only have eight because there's 152 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: only eight actresses total total in the word originally there 153 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 1: aren't eleven actresses, so they can only have eight. Well, 154 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: my guess is that they're gonna they're planning this as 155 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: a trilogy, so they're going to do Oceans eight, nine, 156 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 1: and ten, and then there's already eleven, twelve, and thirteen, 157 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: and then they're going to bring it back around with 158 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: a co ed cast. Is my guests for fourteen, fifteen, 159 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: and sixteen. But if they're going to have to cut 160 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: out so many people, I mean, I guess some of 161 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: them are dead so they don't have to worry about that. 162 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: But like, or they just totally recast it altogether, or 163 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: they can just stop. I'm I'm tired, I'm tired. The 164 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: extended Ocean in eleven Universe and then and then it's 165 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: gonna be where do we leave off his four? Then 166 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: it's going to be seventeen, eighteen and nineteen comprised entirely 167 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 1: of non binary, gender fluid, gender queer people. Can they 168 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: just make a movie like? Why does they have to 169 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: be in? Oh? Okay, so we're well, let's let's get 170 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: into the movie. But I just have to say that 171 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: everyone hates Jeli right, but Danny Ocean is a worst 172 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: name for a protagonist than Larry Jeelie and I will 173 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: die on that hill. I couldn't. I was like when 174 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 1: he's like, my name is Daniel Ocean, I was like, 175 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: this is a fucking dumb name name. I disagree, I think, 176 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: and honest I really do. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm surprised 177 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 1: by this because it's not good and you thought I 178 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:54,959 Speaker 1: had better taste. I came in here being like, man, 179 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: they're going to really dislike this movie. But then I'm 180 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: surprised to see that. I'm more with Jamie being like, yo, 181 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: this is this movie is kind of wild in some ways, 182 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: and you're like, you're defending I'm kind of well, here's 183 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: the thing. I love a good heist movie. And this 184 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: is a fun romp. This is a romp and I 185 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 1: love a good romp. And hey, all tender matches taken 186 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: up this woman. Yeah, Daniel Ocean worst name than Larry 187 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 1: ge sound off so my mentions, Look, Larry is a 188 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: fun name, Larry with really terrible Okay, I'll do the recap. Yeah, 189 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 1: let's do it. So Danny Ocean best name in Hollywood, 190 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: the best name of a character ever, mixing up up 191 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: with played by George Clooney. He's released from prison. He 192 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: was there because he's a comm man. He's a thief. Yeah, 193 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: he's that. But he was handsome. He was handsome. So 194 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: they're like, here, you can be in prison for four 195 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: years and we'll just let you go. It's handsome and 196 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: white privilege. And so he's like, I have an idea, 197 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: and he gets a gang together to rob three casinos 198 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. Ever heard of it? And they're all 199 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: owned by Terry Benedict. So that is a great name. 200 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 1: Hate Danny Ocean. Love Terry Benedict. I don't know. I 201 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: had an issue with his name being Terry Benedict, and 202 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I was just like, how do 203 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: you get pet Nade. He sounds like a breakfast. Give 204 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:38,080 Speaker 1: me the Terry Benedict, I wish, I wish that. Okay. 205 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: My two favorite character names for men, Dan Mansion, I 206 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: think is a better name than Danny Ocean Dan Mansion 207 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: and then Mike randoma from what's that from? You say it? 208 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: Say it, Mike Randma. My grandma sounds like my grandma innocent? 209 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: What an innocent joke. I'm gonna edit that out. Okay, Okay. 210 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: So Danny is getting his gang together. They form a plan. 211 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: They're like, we gotta get past all this security. We 212 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: gotta get inside the vaul. Then we have to get 213 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: back outside the vault with all this money. They have 214 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: to heck into the main frame. And everyone has this 215 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: like certain specialty. There's eleven of them total, get it. 216 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: That's the name of the movie. Everyone's playing a few 217 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: different roles in this whole heist thing. And then Frosty 218 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: tips others don't, such as Rusty Ryan played by Brad 219 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,679 Speaker 1: pitt Uh. He and Danny are bros. They are BFFs. 220 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: But he figures out that the reason that Danny Ocean 221 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: is going after these three casinos and Terry Benedict is 222 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: because Terry Benedict is dating Danny Ocean's ex wife Tests, 223 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 1: She's fully lost in the Benedict sauce she loves. She 224 00:12:53,160 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 1: orders him for breakfast every day. Oh, I'm on Terry's team. No, 225 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: I'm kidding. He's bad. He's real bad. Okay. So then 226 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: Rusty's like, Danny, what are you doing bros? Before hose 227 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: And Danny's like, no, this isn't going to affect the plan. 228 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 1: And then they do the heights. There's like some twists 229 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,760 Speaker 1: and turns, mostly everything goes according to plan and they 230 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 1: get the money. And then at the end, Test basically 231 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: learns that Terry Benedict is a capitalist who loves capitalism 232 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: and capitalists. He loves his money more than he loves women. 233 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: So Tess leaves him to go back to Danny and 234 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: then they all live happily ever after. It's competent because 235 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: I love money more than men. So in that way 236 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: I can connect with Terry Bennedict's point of view. Yeah 237 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:54,880 Speaker 1: you're yeah, I'm a Benedict apologis. So not surprisingly, there 238 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: is only one female character in this movie, the entire movie, 239 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: the entire there I I made a list of all 240 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: the women with speaking roles, and I think it's only 241 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: four of them that we see on screen, and then 242 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: a couple of disembodied female voices at the very beginning, 243 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of disembodied female body parts, yes, that 244 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: are not given voices. And I would, with some exception, 245 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: to probably extend those criticism to like most movies that 246 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: take place in Las Vegas, of like using women as 247 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: set dressing in a major way. Like there's literally the 248 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: first big card game in this movie. You can just 249 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: see like legs, yeah, in a window, like you, but 250 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 1: just legs. One woman is allowed to be playing cards, 251 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: but she can't say, you know, she's and we I 252 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: don't know if we ever learned her name. I think 253 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: her name is Holly, the woman playing cards. Yeah, oh no, no, no, 254 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: she's a celebrity. Well I don't mean to explain, but 255 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: like she's like she's a celebrity, and I think she's 256 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: the lead from Charmed and the ideas that Bratt Pitt's 257 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: character now is teaching, yes, famous people how to play cards. 258 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: So she's one of the famous people playing cards. But 259 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: again I put an asterist on that famous because not 260 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: a single one of the people playing cards at that 261 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 1: table are relevant anymore anymore. The closest a long yeah, 262 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: and josh Joshua Joshua Jackson and Shane West. And then 263 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: I didn't recognize any of the other people, so I 264 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: didn't he's the lead from Charmed, like not Shannon Dartie, Holy, 265 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: Marie Combs. Let's see holl Marie Combs of One of 266 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: my favorite was Pretty Little Liars. Oh, I think that 267 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: I guess that could have but then she just, yeah, 268 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: she was like she wasn't allowed to talk very much. 269 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: She basically just says call over and over again because 270 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: she's playing poker. So yeah, it was okay, okay, Yeah, 271 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: she is one of the four women who we see 272 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: on screen with speaking role, but yeah, she's only in 273 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: the movie for a couple of scenes and then we 274 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: didn't never see her again. Another one is the is 275 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: a blackjack dealer in the very beginning that Danny Ocean 276 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: talks to for maybe thirty seconds. That's frustrating too, because 277 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: the first like a couple of minutes of the movie 278 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: you see there's like a few female characters. One of 279 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: the people interviewing Danny when he's like getting out of jail. Yeah, 280 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: like you can tell, like it's a female voice, but 281 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: you're just looking at George Clooney the whole time. And 282 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: then the black jack scene you hear the voice. I 283 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: think you see her once in like one shot, and 284 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: then you just look at George Cluney the whole time, 285 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: and then once Bernie Max on screen, then you cut 286 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: back and forth. But for the first couple of women 287 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: who could appear on screen, they just like to be like, 288 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: or we could just look at George Clooney right, like, 289 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: we don't need to see women women. Well, the fans 290 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: paid to see George Clooney, and dammit, thir they spent 291 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: their to this blackjack deal there they everyone saved up 292 00:16:55,320 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 1: their hard earned clune bucks Clooney cash. When I was 293 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: hitting it hard at that gas station in two thousand one, 294 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: I wasn't saving my money to see some blackjack. You're 295 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: saving for some Clooney. Do you guys accept car fresh 296 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: off of that Batman and Robin fame. Oh sure, Yeah. 297 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: So that's half of the characters already, women who we 298 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: immediately cut away from and then don't see again. Another 299 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: one who named Charmaine. She's a stripper who plays a 300 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: very very small role in helping them get an access 301 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: card that they need to like hack into the main frame. 302 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 1: And she's also very important because she is, to my knowledge, 303 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: the first mother and daughter strip repair I've ever heard of. 304 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: M met me and my mind go to the Foxy 305 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: Lady and Massachusetts. When I heard that joke, I was like, 306 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: this is such a weird joke to be making. Was like, 307 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: say hi to my mom. Right, well, I want to 308 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 1: talk about that conversation a little bit later. But so, 309 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: the main female character is test played by Julia Roberts. 310 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: We do not see her on screen until forty four 311 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: minutes into the movie, and when she does come on screen, 312 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 1: Matt Damon's all like, who's the best part in my day? 313 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: And then we cut to Julia Roberts wearing like a 314 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: foxy red outfit. There's like sexy music playing and she's 315 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: like walking down the stairs like very so it's like 316 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 1: very male gaze, like, oh, look at this foxy lady, 317 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: And then we learned that basically the plot of the 318 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: movie is that Danny Ocean is targeting these three casinos 319 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: because Terry Benedict stole his woman and he wants to 320 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: win her back because he sees this woman as something 321 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: he can steal, just like any other like con that 322 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: he wants to pull, Like, yeah, classic, I see romance 323 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: in this, I don't know, and I don't know, I 324 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: truly do see romance in this. Is like it is 325 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: an interesting version of the plot of so many movies, 326 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: which is like, I'm gonna trick her into loving me again, right, 327 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: like the little road, you know, George Cloney's rebin is 328 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: a little pause together, He's gotta he's gotta a rack coloon, 329 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: a little rack Cooney a little He's like like a raccoon. 330 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:25,640 Speaker 1: But yes, sorry, let me keep explaining. He's gonna out 331 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: Benedict Terry at his own game. And there I forgot 332 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 1: that that was the setup of the movie. I just 333 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: remember that they were stealing stuff. I forgot that it 334 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: was like and then she'll have to marry me like wright, right, 335 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: So like that's a big romance. I mean, like it's 336 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: a big romantic gesture. It's a wide swing. You could 337 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 1: look at it that way. You could also look at 338 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: it and that he basically views her as property because well, 339 00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know how necessarily Danny Ocean feels 340 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: about the situation, but I think it's pretty clear that 341 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: the movie is coming from a standpoint where she's essentially 342 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 1: a plot device, because it doesn't really make any sense 343 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: that she is with Terry Benedict, but it's convenient for 344 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: the story because then that motivates Danny Ocean to pull 345 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: this heist, because we as we see in so many movies, 346 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 1: we don't necessarily understand why Tests and Terry Benedict are 347 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: together because they don't seem that compatible. Because Tests is 348 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: not actually a fully realized, developed character. She's with him 349 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: because it serves the story and it's convenient for the plot, 350 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: and Test is a really poor, like underwritten character where 351 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: a lot of like the tropes they lean into, and 352 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: and every character in this movie is underwritten, maybe with 353 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:52,359 Speaker 1: the exception of Danny, like he's the only character that 354 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: you were like, okay, I think I fully get where 355 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: this guy is coming from, even though you know, I 356 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: don't agree with it, but whatever, But there's just like 357 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: too many bull in this movie in general, where nine 358 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: out of the eleven men blend together. For me, I'm like, 359 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: oh there, why would you put Matt Damon and Bradbitt 360 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,239 Speaker 1: like they have the same face. It's confusing, But like 361 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: Test Ocean classic. We gotta give this woman a job. 362 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: She's an art curator, like that's so many movies, or 363 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:23,679 Speaker 1: like she runs you know she like because I I 364 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: wonder why that's like a classic, like more of like 365 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: a rom com trope of like, oh, she's does business, 366 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: but like girl business, you know, like not it's not 367 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: too threatening if she runs a gallery. I don't know 368 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: if you know this, but women can only be museum curators, 369 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: or they work at a magazine in New York City, 370 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: or they own a bakery, or they're a wedding planner. 371 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: I love when they're journalists, but then they get a 372 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: little too into this story and then the lines blur 373 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: in there that kiss. Those are all good jobs as 374 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: high paying job was Okay, they're good five figures a year. 375 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: It's true. They have gorgeous apartments all the time. Listen, Okay, 376 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean she was baiting a casino mogul, you know. 377 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean that's a good place to be. The terry 378 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: they say that he's worth nearly a billion dollars, So 379 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: is that in usd S or Benedict? But I did 380 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: want to say that, like I found it a little 381 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: bit interesting that like a trope that I hated movies 382 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,879 Speaker 1: is that, like the person that she's seeing is like 383 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: a bad person. Like I've always hated that in movies 384 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: because it's just like they broke up with you originally 385 00:22:37,920 --> 00:22:39,439 Speaker 1: because you were a douche are like you know, like 386 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't like the idea of like you can steal 387 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: someone away from their partner may be based on my 388 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: own insecurities of that happening one day, but like, um, 389 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720 Speaker 1: I was like kind of rooting for it to happen 390 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: because I was like, yo, you know this Terry Benedict 391 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 1: dude's kind of a douche. But oh sure, I mean 392 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: we don't like him as the audience of course, right, 393 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: but like the Terry Benic character being so flat out 394 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: like cartoon villainy mustache, twisty evil. I feel like the 395 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: reason that's done is because Danny is not a good guy. 396 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 1: And so you know exactly like you have to make 397 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,520 Speaker 1: someone wearse and the rules of this cinematic universe is 398 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: girl has to be with someone so rofully, the one 399 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: that is more handsome and less bad like, and that's 400 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: just sort of what the rules of engagement are. There's 401 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: never there's never a moment in the movie where it's like, oh, 402 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 1: she's gonna she's gonna strike out, you know, yeah, and 403 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: then open up her own museum. But no, yeah, exactly. 404 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 1: So we find out at the end that Danny has 405 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: set it up so that she will have a choice, 406 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: but the choice is to pick between two men. So 407 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 1: it's either do you want this ex con criminal who 408 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: steals and lies about it or do you want this 409 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: capitalist who treats you poorly and doesn't want to kiss 410 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: you in public, which, like, what was that all about? 411 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: I don't I mean. Also, it's like maybe Terry thatgic 412 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: just like shy, maybe he does. Maybe maybe he doesn't 413 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: defense of about it? Now all people like PDA makes 414 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 1: some people uncomfortable. Who knows. Basically he is a bad 415 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 1: guy and it doesn't make any sense that she would 416 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: be with him. But yeah, So the movie sets it 417 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: up so that she has given a choice, but her 418 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: only two options are to be with one guy or 419 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: different guy. And that's that's the thing with so many movies. 420 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, do you want to be with the 421 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: vampire or the wear wolf? Do you want to be 422 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: with the boy who bakes cakes or the boy who 423 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: calls you cat nip, I just see good choices here. 424 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: I I'm so stuck, guys. I'm truly you know, I 425 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: truly said Edgar, come onto this podcast with an open mind, 426 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: and I did, and all I'm hearing are good choices, 427 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: you know. Like I think about Juno in the very 428 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: very good movie Juno, where she had to pick between 429 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 1: a high school senior or married Jason Bateman, and like, 430 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,479 Speaker 1: that's a good place for a pregnant underage girl. Good choice, 431 00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: good choice icon Jason Bateman really ally to all. The 432 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: bottom line is that this movie, like so many movies, 433 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: if they have a female character, it's usually just one 434 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: of them in the movie treats them like they're a 435 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: prize to be one. To borrow a phrase from Aladdin, 436 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: where Jasmine says, I Am not a prize to be one, 437 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: but she sort of is, but is like so many movies. 438 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 1: But um, no time is spent developing her character. If 439 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: she is on screen, she's usually like seems mean and 440 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: yelly and like naggy. I wonder how much, like okay, 441 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: if we did screen time, how much Julie robertis on 442 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 1: screen versus how much time of this movie is used 443 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: with long shots of a large pack of men walking 444 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: down to hall ominously like it has to be three 445 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: times longer in walking down halls. This movie cut out 446 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: all the men walking down all the halls. Toymn is 447 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: long A short film, a short film best, But there's 448 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: just we've seen this peg and I was like, this 449 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 1: is this is scary. There might be more security camera 450 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 1: footage than Julia Roberts screen time. Honestly, yeah, absolutely, Like 451 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: they're caseyf like problematic. Cacyf like probably has more right, 452 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,919 Speaker 1: right right. I just yeah, there, this movie didn't And 453 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: I still love a heist movie, and I hope that, 454 00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: like I hope Oceans eight like knocks it out of 455 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 1: the park and it's a fun, highst movie that you 456 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: don't have to feel shitty watching because heist movies can 457 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 1: be so fun. But I mean, obviously with Ocean's eleven, 458 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:40,080 Speaker 1: they're adapting it from an even more problematic version that's 459 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: has anyone seen that one from I've seen it once 460 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: a long time ago. I haven't seen it, so yeah, 461 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: but like so basically, yeah, we've got the all female 462 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 1: reboot coming out. Oceans eleven from two thousand one is 463 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: already a reboot, and it's like forty years later, but Mr. 464 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: Hollywood was like, let's make an Ocean's eleven reboot, but 465 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: we're still going to keep it all men. So it 466 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: took another almost twenty years later for them to be like, actually, 467 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 1: what if women this time? Yeah, Frank Sinatra plays Danny 468 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: Ocean otherwise known as Larry Jalie in the original version, 469 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,160 Speaker 1: and I don't remember how much is changed from that 470 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: version to this. I'm assuming that some changes are made 471 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: and hopefully this movie, right they Yeah, And the first 472 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: time it's just was just Sammy Davis Jr. Yeah, it's 473 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: just so dumb because all like all eleven dudes, like 474 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: nine of them are so criminally underwritten that literally any 475 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: of them could be women because they're not even written 476 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: as like toxic male character. They're just written as like 477 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: nothing right there. It would be so easy to have 478 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: And I'm kind of surprised that by two thousand one 479 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: they weren't doing like a wink wink. Even this is 480 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: like set in the bar Sola, but like you can't 481 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: even tokenize the woman in this part of Like there 482 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: were so many opportunities where it was like, oh, this 483 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 1: would be if there were one woman on the team 484 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: where she would prove her competence and all the guys 485 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: would be like, WHOA love that scene and that well 486 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 1: that sort of happens in Ocean's twelve. I haven't I 487 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: didn't watch Ocean's thirteen, so I can't totally remember who 488 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:28,280 Speaker 1: the extra person is. And yeah, so Tessa's character is 489 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: introduced as one of the twelve in the sequel. That 490 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: movie is I would say, even worse than this one, 491 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: because even I think that's two four see and that 492 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: to me, I would like to applaud Steven Soderbergh because 493 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: he said, you know what, just wait three years and 494 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: I get you guys frustration and you guys anger of 495 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: your lack of representation, but like progress does take time, 496 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 1: and to get Julia robertson there three years later, I mean, 497 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 1: that's pretty impresive, stunning turnaround. Well, there's even a couple 498 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: more female characters that one, because Catherine data Jones is introduced. 499 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 1: We meet someone's mom eventually, but so tests becomes one 500 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: of the twelve, one of the people pulling off the heist. 501 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: But her skill, the thing that she contributes to the heist, 502 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: like the only thing that she has to offer is 503 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: her physical resemblance to another woman. So it's not as 504 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: though she has like this great skill like, you know, 505 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: because everyone like don cheatles good at um like explosives. 506 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: There's a surveillance guy, there's Yen who does like all 507 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: the like fitting into tight spaces, which isn't that glamorous 508 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: of the job. True, it seems very claustrophobic. Um, but 509 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: they all have like a distinct specialty. Whereas yeah, TESSAs 510 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: just like, oh, you look like another woman, so you're 511 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 1: going to help us out, and also we're going to 512 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: make you seem pregnant time. And then the plot of 513 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: that movie is basically just one big dick measuring contest. 514 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: At least Ocean's eleven has the decency to not even 515 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: really mention whom in one time. There's it was interesting 516 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: watching um and I don't even know what this indicates 517 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: about the movie or at this point in time at all, 518 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: but you know, you keep seeing obviously these scenes with 519 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: like eleven guys talking to each other, and I was like, Oh, 520 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: they're gonna say something sucked up there. It's gonna be gross, 521 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna be whatever. But they don't. They really just 522 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: talk about the heist. That's all they talk about. Women 523 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: don't come up in this movie really ever, which is 524 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: weird because it's the thrust and the reason they're doing 525 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 1: it is because George Clooney want him wife back. But 526 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: the dialogue of the movie largely like, you never know 527 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: women existed. That's because we don't. And I don't know 528 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 1: if you guys have ever hung up with ten or 529 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: eleven men, but it's something I do every other day. 530 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: We don't talk about women in those times. We usually 531 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: are talking about heist. You know, different casinos that we 532 00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: want to hit. Any group of ten and see ten 533 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: or eleven men together, they're probably planning a heist or 534 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: hoping that a woman who looks like another woman comes by, right, 535 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: just just to help out the team, you know Julia 536 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: Real Guys Galt and Oceans Well in Oceans eleven. Whenever 537 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 1: they are talking about a woman, that's usually Brad Pitt 538 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: confronting George Clooney basically being like, you're not doing this 539 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: for tests, are you were? You're just doing this because 540 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 1: you're also a capitalist and you want a bunch of money, right, Basically, 541 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: like Brad Pitt sees her as a complication, like she's 542 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: poised as this thing that's potentially going to funk up 543 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: their plans. And I do agree that one should not 544 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: steal from casinos for the purpose of tricking. Julia Roberts 545 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,280 Speaker 1: pits point there, but I think there it's like an 546 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: interesting like that's made another way that the test character 547 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: is like used by the movie and then never developed. 548 00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: Because it's fine for characters to have specific reasons to 549 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: be in the movie, pure you also have to write it, 550 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,280 Speaker 1: and they forgot they slipped. But the fact that, like 551 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: George Clooney, displaying emotion or attachment to anyone is viewed 552 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: as this massive liability for the for the group. Another 553 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say in regards to Tests is 554 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: that at the end, whenever she makes her choice, the 555 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: very important choice that the movie presents her with where 556 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: she only has two options to pick one man or 557 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 1: a different man and not Oh, maybe I should leave 558 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: these men all together and move to somewhere else and 559 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: pursue Maybe I'll go and date someone who doesn't have 560 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: a silly last name, or maybe I'm going to go 561 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,239 Speaker 1: back to school and study art history and open up 562 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: my own museum. Anyway, basically, what's going to happen to 563 00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: the economy in seven years. She's basically made to look 564 00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: stupid at the end, where whenever she is like, oh 565 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: my god, I didn't know what you were doing, Danny, 566 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 1: and he was like, well I did, so it's fine. 567 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: So the whole movie she's who are my wife? Again? 568 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 1: When she's on screen, she's like yelling and seems really mean, 569 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,959 Speaker 1: and then she makes her choice to go back with Danny, 570 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: and then she's like, oh, wow, what a stupid mistake 571 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: I made dating Terry Benedict. I should have been with 572 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: you all along, Danny. And it's just very frustrating her characters. 573 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: I wants to talk about their first their first conversation 574 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: together Danny and Tess, because he is looking for her. 575 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: She does not want to see him and expresses that 576 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: several times in the conversation. This is like another where 577 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: there's like a bunch of rom com tropes inside of 578 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: this highst movie where the guy shows up, he is 579 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: not welcome. That is stated. She says, don't sit down, 580 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 1: go away, Like there there's a bunch of different indicators 581 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,880 Speaker 1: that she doesn't because Terry fucking Addict is on the 582 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,440 Speaker 1: way a god among men is blazing down the hall, 583 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, but like she she doesn't want him to 584 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: be there, and him staying there is like, oh what 585 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 1: a you? You little devil? You like it's not made 586 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:19,239 Speaker 1: to seem inappropriate. It's just like George Clooney cluning the 587 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: fuck out and it's like, no, but she actually wants 588 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: him to stay, which is like implying that subtext and 589 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: an underwritten female character happens all the time, and it's 590 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: like super damaging and bad for sure. Get out of 591 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: their clue, get out. I just wish that Clune with 592 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: like two do one match dot Com is around. He's 593 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: George Clooney. You can't but listen, okay, you can't. You 594 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: can't gather up your boys for just some match dot 595 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: Com like person. You know what I'm saying, Like it's 596 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,280 Speaker 1: got to be somebody special. I'm just saying he should steal, 597 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 1: absolutely steal from Terry Benedict. But like, but also, I 598 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: have an interior life. If and have your match dot 599 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: Com profile, and that's a separate thing. Don't involve your 600 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: don't don't mix work and and play. Have you ever 601 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: had unrequited love before? No, I'm I've only been loved 602 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560 Speaker 1: by who I want all the time my whole life. 603 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: I've only had unrequited love in my life. And I 604 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: can tell you that there are so many things I've 605 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,919 Speaker 1: done that have never resulted in the woman. And uh, 606 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 1: to see this workout was you know, very very continued 607 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:34,440 Speaker 1: in't like not good behavior. No, I didn't say that. 608 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I wanted 609 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: to be very clear that I'm not telling young men 610 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: out there to do anything. Actually, I'm telling most young 611 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: men out there don't do anything. Please. Still, bad things 612 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: happen when you do things. But I want to be like, 613 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: it feels good to see a man win for once, 614 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, like an even better see 615 00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: eleven men win Jesus. I mean I had to contain 616 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: myself while watching this. Yeah, I mean there's a reason, 617 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: I know, what look groundbreaking cinema to watch a group 618 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 1: of men win. I mean, there's a reason I like 619 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:22,560 Speaker 1: this movie and I still like this movie. Um yeah, 620 00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: I mean I was entertained while I was rewatching it. Yeah, 621 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just the fact that he does 622 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: this whole thing to basically prove his masculinity over another man. 623 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: He's like, I have to like make sure that my 624 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,200 Speaker 1: ex wife, who doesn't love me anymore because she filed 625 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 1: for divorce, I have to prove to her that I'm 626 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: more of a man than this new man that she 627 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: has chosen for whatever reason, and I'm better than him. So, 628 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean, just so much of his behavior is like 629 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: not like that when when someone slips her a phone 630 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: terrifying behavior and then called and like and and then 631 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: the fact that it one of his big romantic gesture 632 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 1: moments is like, I've been secretly taping your new boyfriend, 633 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 1: Terry Benedict. Like, if you apply this to rettal life, 634 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 1: you're like, holy sh it. This is if your ex 635 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: comes out of the woodwork to be like, actually, your 636 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,320 Speaker 1: new boyfriend is not a good guy. I know because 637 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,799 Speaker 1: I've been secretly surveilling him for weeks. And well, then 638 00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: I would ask you, Jamie and Caitlin, what would you 639 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: propose us to do? Would what would you propose? What 640 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: would you say that he Danny Ocean should approach Tess 641 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: and say, hey, look, I've done really bad things in 642 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 1: the past. I've been a jerk, I've manipulated you, I 643 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,920 Speaker 1: lied to you, and I'm sorry I'm not expecting anything 644 00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: in return for this apology. I'm just saying that, is 645 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,680 Speaker 1: that what you're proposing he should do, right, That sounds silly, 646 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: That sounds dumb, because I mean, that sounds like a 647 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 1: lot of work. And if she says, if she is 648 00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,239 Speaker 1: open to the idea of maybe rekindling a thing like 649 00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: a romance, there probably doesn't need to be a huge 650 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: grand gesture. Maybe he just needs to pay attention to 651 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: her and cater to her emotional needs. Well, I counter that, 652 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: Caitlin by saying, every piece of media I've seen since 653 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: I was born tells me otherwise. Then you're right. You 654 00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 1: should do what media tells you to do, because it's 655 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,719 Speaker 1: always right there, I don't, I mean. And then part 656 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: of the reason she didn't want to be with him 657 00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: is because he went to jail for like stealing, stealing, 658 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 1: and thenlined her right, and then he wins her back 659 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 1: by once again stealing, un lying to her, and then 660 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: it's like, but this time nothing, It's exactly. The only 661 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: difference is he does not get fully caught, like he 662 00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: pulls it off. That the only difference. But we all 663 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,479 Speaker 1: know that things are only bad when you get caught 664 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,800 Speaker 1: and you get. Well, that is true there, but the 665 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 1: the lesson there of like no women want you to 666 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 1: keep doing exactly what you were doing, but just be 667 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: the best at doing it. And it's like the terrible 668 00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: behavior that caused her to you know, he went to 669 00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: jail and then I don't know if they broke up 670 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: forfore he went to jail, or if they broke up 671 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,719 Speaker 1: because he went to jail. I don't know if that's 672 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 1: explicitly stated. He says that he received the divorce papers 673 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: the last day he was inside, so they were technically 674 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: married for a for the most of the time he 675 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: was in jail, which I think we're led to believe 676 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 1: is a few years, right, And it sounds like she 677 00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: wasn't like visiting him, right, but like just setting that 678 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: precedent of like do the exact same thing, but as 679 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: long as you get away with it, she'll love you. 680 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: Like it's Yeah, it's a dangerous message to send it rules. Yes, 681 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:35,359 Speaker 1: I'm in love with Criminals. Does anyone have any other 682 00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: final thoughts about the movie? Uh, it's weird. There's there's 683 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,720 Speaker 1: really just test to talk about. Uh, this movie largely 684 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: ignores women and a way that's so blatant. I find 685 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 1: it almost adorable where it's like we've got eleven men 686 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 1: in every scene and women don't exist. Like it's just 687 00:39:56,120 --> 00:40:00,000 Speaker 1: very very haisty, hive mind. I think this movie could 688 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: have done with more hacking sequences. I would have loved 689 00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,520 Speaker 1: to see more hallway walks. I would have loved to 690 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:11,879 Speaker 1: see more emotional repression. And I think Alfred Molina would 691 00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: have been a great Terry Benedict. Oh, sure, see. I 692 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 1: think there should have been more Danny Ocean standing in 693 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: front of Trump Plaza. I thought they also should have, 694 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, between like Casey Affleck and then like Matt 695 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,359 Speaker 1: Damon saying tone deaf stuff all the time. I think 696 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,160 Speaker 1: they really could have gotten more problematic men in there. Yeah. Yeah. 697 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,600 Speaker 1: And the fact that we get shout out to Trump, 698 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: very pro casino, pro gambling movie. I loved that we 699 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: were seeing women's legs but never their faces or hear 700 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,319 Speaker 1: their voices and not know if it was attached to 701 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:52,399 Speaker 1: a body at all. Just the mystique, the feminine mystique. Really, 702 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to assume, and I'll say it, 703 00:40:55,760 --> 00:41:01,640 Speaker 1: Oceans eleven a feminist text, definitely hundred sent. One other 704 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say, just in regards to Steven Soderberg, 705 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: I do think it's interesting that he goes on to 706 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 1: direct movies that are far more progressive and far more 707 00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: sex positive. He directed Magic Mike. Oh yeah, so it's 708 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:20,040 Speaker 1: Girlfriend Experience and the Yeah yeah. So It's like, it's 709 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:24,239 Speaker 1: interesting and encouraging to see that the same director who 710 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,799 Speaker 1: could direct this competent but ignoring basically everything kind of 711 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: movie can go on to make better, more conscious and 712 00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: just like generally those two I like those two movies 713 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 1: way better in general. Um so, uh so that's good. 714 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: Is Steven Soarderburg Sex Criminal are winged? Not that I 715 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: have heard, But it's also hard to keep track of 716 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: them all because there are so many. One last thing 717 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 1: that I wanted to say, this is very important is 718 00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: that inside of the briefcase that ends up in the 719 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,400 Speaker 1: vault in the movie Oceans eleven inside is basically four 720 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: mean Heart of the Oceans from Titanic. They're like little 721 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:08,480 Speaker 1: green jewels. And also Danny's last name is Ocean, so 722 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: his heart could technically be called of the Heart of 723 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: the Ocean. I don't know. This movie just completely swooned. 724 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:22,480 Speaker 1: It's so confusing to me, um, does it pass the 725 00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: Bechtel tests? Not even close? But okay. So I wanted 726 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: to call back to that conversation that Brad Pitt is 727 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: having with that character Charmaine, because the closest thing this 728 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: movie has two women interacting with each other is Rusty 729 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,319 Speaker 1: saying to Charmaine, say hi to your mom for me. 730 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,920 Speaker 1: So he's encouraging her to talk to another woman. But 731 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,160 Speaker 1: she responds and says, tell her yourself. She'll be on 732 00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: stage in five minutes. So she's like, I don't want 733 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,200 Speaker 1: to talk to another woman. That can't happen in this movie. 734 00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: You talk to her. I want to see that movie, Like, 735 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,560 Speaker 1: that's the movie that is more interesting than the one 736 00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: I'm wanting. All right, let's write the movie based on 737 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,680 Speaker 1: our nipple scale, based on its portrayal of women zero 738 00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: to five nipples. I mean, gosh, it's confused, zero nipples. 739 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:18,240 Speaker 1: Like the one woman who has any significant screen time, 740 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: which is still hardly any, and who has any sort 741 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: of bearing on the story is basically just a plot device, 742 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:30,439 Speaker 1: a prize to be one. She's given no character development. Yeah, 743 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:34,799 Speaker 1: She's really just there to serve as motivation for one 744 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,560 Speaker 1: of the male characters. And to make him seem more 745 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: complex and more sympathetic. So yeah, I have to give 746 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,800 Speaker 1: it a zero NIP rating. Even though I do enjoy 747 00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: this movie, I almost want to say, like not applicable 748 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:54,360 Speaker 1: because women are just not in this movie or mentioned 749 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: in this movie, which I don't think we've ever had 750 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,319 Speaker 1: a movie quite like this, where usually if we give 751 00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: something zero poles, it's like it treats women terribly. This 752 00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: movie doesn't treat women like anything. They don't exist in 753 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,600 Speaker 1: this world. For Julia Roberts, who is you know, a 754 00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:16,399 Speaker 1: prop I would give this movie five nibbles because I 755 00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,880 Speaker 1: think that a woman could watch this movie and if 756 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,480 Speaker 1: there's a woman out there who's just like, you know, 757 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: I'm in this relationship with this person that I'm not 758 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,879 Speaker 1: sure I like, or I had this career that I'm 759 00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: stuck in, that they can know there's a man out 760 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 1: there who's been purposefully keeping her in the dark and 761 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, manipulating her and stuff like that, but with 762 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: good intention, and that it's all going to work out 763 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: in the end. We're all looking for art. Terry Benedict. 764 00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking for mind, Terry Benedict, and I 765 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: hope that he's listening right now. Well, I'll do you 766 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,040 Speaker 1: one better and hope that you get a Danny Ocean. 767 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: I don't want to Danny Ocean if you've been listening. 768 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:56,640 Speaker 1: But it's not about what. I'm an art gallery, I'm 769 00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: an art curator, I'm an art I'm in Please marry me. 770 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 1: Uh well, Edgar, thank you so much for being here. 771 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,960 Speaker 1: It was my pleasure. Where can we Where can we 772 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,520 Speaker 1: find you? On the web? You can find me on 773 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: Instagram at awful gram, on Twitter at Edgar Mope. Was 774 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,680 Speaker 1: here on the Culture Kings podcast on how self works 775 00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: and I got this project coming out soon call sad 776 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 1: Boy Edgar. Make sure to check that out and you 777 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: can follow us on social media at Bacto Cast. You 778 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: can rate and review us on iTunes. You can go 779 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,919 Speaker 1: to our website where you can buy our merch and 780 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,719 Speaker 1: also sign up for our Matreon and check out Oceans 781 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,160 Speaker 1: eight if you want we didn't really talk about. If 782 00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,440 Speaker 1: you want more more well, speaking of our matren, if 783 00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:49,239 Speaker 1: you want more of a take on female reboots and 784 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,439 Speaker 1: whether or not they are useful at all, check out 785 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,160 Speaker 1: our Ghostbusters episode. The two thousand and sixteen all female 786 00:45:56,200 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 1: reboot episode of that only on our Matreon for more 787 00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: discussion on the all female reboot concept we get into 788 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,359 Speaker 1: it and otherwise. Jamie, I just want you to know 789 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,880 Speaker 1: that I would never steal a hundred and sixty million 790 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: dollars from you. Thank you so much. I aspired to 791 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: be your Tarry Bennett. I will betray you, all right. 792 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.