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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to Packers Unscripted from Packers dot Com.

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Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford and he is Wes Hodkowits were

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Speaker 1: coming to you here from our studios at lambeau Field.

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Speaker 1: Hope everybody enjoyed their Memorial Day weekend West. A bit

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Speaker 1: of Packers news here since the last time we spoke,

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Speaker 1: and I'm talking about the signing of a veteran tight

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Speaker 1: end in Marcedes Lewis, veteran player a lot of years

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Speaker 1: for the Jacksonville Jaguars, now in Green Bay. What are

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Speaker 1: your initial thoughts on this addition to the tight end group. Well,

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Speaker 1: here's the two thoughts I have on this. One is

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Speaker 1: more from a broader perspective the Packers. Historically, when Ted

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Speaker 1: in particular with Bryan Goudekunst, is the guys coming in

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Speaker 1: for a visit. It's serious. Um, Mohammed Wilkerson visits signs.

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Speaker 1: After about another week, Lewis comes in for visits Signs. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at and you break it down

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Speaker 1: Louis gives them a dimension that they were missing at

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Speaker 1: that tight end position. You know, he was a former

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Speaker 1: pro bowler seven eight years ago. He's had some some

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Speaker 1: fine receiving seasons, but his bread and butter, in a

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Speaker 1: lot of ways has been as a blocker. The Packers

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Speaker 1: toyed around with this idea of really having a blocking

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Speaker 1: tight end in two thousand and thirteen with Matthew Mulligan

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Speaker 1: not nearly as accomplished as Lewis ended up not making

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Speaker 1: the roster. But other than that, they've really just been

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Speaker 1: trying to make the guys they have into blockers. I

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Speaker 1: think Louis gives them a guy that is bona fide

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Speaker 1: at in terms of all these guys accomplishments with Lance

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Speaker 1: Kendricks figured in there as well, Uh, definitely the most

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Speaker 1: decorated group of tight ends of the Packers have probably

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Speaker 1: hadn't going back to the late nineties. Yeah, I agree

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Speaker 1: with you, and the when I look at Louis, I

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Speaker 1: do believe that his blocking is his forte and that

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Speaker 1: is what he's going to bring first and foremost to

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Speaker 1: last season, even though he had only was it, twenty

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Speaker 1: five receptions, five of those, if I'm not mistaken, were

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Speaker 1: for touchdown. That's that's an interesting percentage. I guess when

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Speaker 1: you look at the statistics, you say, Okay, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: he doesn't have the big time downfield threat. You know,

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Speaker 1: the Packers have that in Jimmy Graham. They don't necessarily

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Speaker 1: need another one. He's not the big time downfield threat.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he was earlier in his career, but those numbers

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Speaker 1: from last year tell you that in the red zone

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Speaker 1: he can still be a tough matchup and if he

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Speaker 1: catch the ball. I mean, you saw a lot of

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Speaker 1: the film that the Packers have, and I think we

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Speaker 1: even put up the top ten plays he had in

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Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen on our website. Yeah. Uh, he still

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Speaker 1: made a lot of plays. And the other thing is too,

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Speaker 1: is there were some questions because he'd been on injury

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Speaker 1: reserved twice in the last four years, one into two

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Speaker 1: thousand seventeen, and whether or not the durability was starting

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Speaker 1: to wane. Started all sixteen games for the Jaguars last

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Speaker 1: hundred offensive snaps. So he's more than capable of handing

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Speaker 1: handling that kind of workload. But he's also at the

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Speaker 1: week ago that you know, he can fit a potential

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Speaker 1: I got a question in our Insider Inbox column. Somebody asked,

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Speaker 1: so does this signing improve the Packers running game more

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Speaker 1: same time, if you're improving the running game, you're improving

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Speaker 1: see what he brings to the table as a blocker. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a guy like Lewis certainly had an impact on the

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Speaker 1: with more on Packers Unscripted right after this, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Packers Unscripted. Mike Spofford in this chair, West Hodkowitz

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Speaker 1: and that one Wes. You brought up his name in

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Speaker 1: the opening segment, Mohammed Wilkerson, the I guess more highly

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Speaker 1: we've talked about it. This was really a signal in

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Speaker 1: because here's the thing. The Packers strength the defensively is

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Speaker 1: I think the players are going to benefit from that. Yeah, absolutely, Mike.

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Speaker 1: you know, now the Packers Jarry Evans still a free agent.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the Packers are looking at McCrae and

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Speaker 1: the time being. McCrae wants to show that you don't

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Speaker 1: need to look no further. Yeah, what he put on

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Speaker 1: a valuable swing guy at multiple positions, but maybe the

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Speaker 1: starting right guard in ten. We'll see. With that, we

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Speaker 1: have to sign off on this edition of Packers Unscripted.

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