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Speaker 1: Good morning, everybody, Happy Thursday. Have an amazing show for

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Speaker 1: everybody today. What do we have, Crystal.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we do lots of big breaking news updates, So

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Speaker 2: we've got the very latest for you on that effort

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Speaker 2: to pass a cr as Senate DEM's plot what their

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Speaker 2: move will be. We got some new inflation numbers, potentially

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Speaker 2: good news for this White House amidst economic turmoil. Some

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Speaker 2: interesting new comments from Tommy Tubberville as well. Do so

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Speaker 2: far in terms of the alleged cut spending goal not

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Speaker 2: really making a dentctually. Spending is up after even all

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Speaker 2: of their chainsaw efforts, So break down what that means.

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Speaker 2: We've got the latest for you on Machmu Khalil and

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Speaker 2: some other censorship efforts. We've got Zionists claiming a scalp

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Speaker 2: in the Trump administration.

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Speaker 4: This was an important battle.

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Speaker 2: Didn't want to let this one slide by Greasy Gavin

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Speaker 2: meets sloppy Steve. Have some highlights from that podcast to

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Speaker 2: share with you and what it all means about the

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Speaker 2: future of the Democratic Party. And it is the end

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Speaker 2: of an era at Southwest Airlines. They are now going

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Speaker 2: to charge for bags, joining the rest of the industry.

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Speaker 4: So very sad to see.

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Speaker 3: It's sad to see because I think it just really

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Speaker 3: is a demarcation point in the overall US economy and

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Speaker 3: the consumer experience. We live truly in the idiocracy in

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Speaker 3: the world in which we're all just going to get

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Speaker 3: it charged for everything in corporate States of America.

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Speaker 1: It's sad. It's sad. Christal, what do you got here?

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Speaker 1: This is a new one for you. Chris has got

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Speaker 1: an energy drink on the cask. Usually I'm only calani.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, we're not getting paid for this

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Speaker 2: Paid this is it's sort of like a taste, like

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Speaker 2: a cream sickle. They're delicious, and it's almost like bottled cracks. Okay,

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Speaker 2: there you go halfway through it.

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Speaker 4: So still getting more interesting as we go along.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's get to the cr I hate this

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Speaker 2: topic because it's so like in the weeds DC. But

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Speaker 2: the TLDR is if the House in the Senate did

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Speaker 2: not pass some sort of budget funding, then the government

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Speaker 2: House Republicans were able to pass a continuing resolution.

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Speaker 4: They lost one vote from their caucus.

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Speaker 2: They gained one vote from the Democratic caucus, but pretty

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Speaker 2: more details about the CR ups defense spending a little bit.

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Speaker 2: Well, the sun is a little more interesting because of

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Speaker 2: So there has been a mass mobilization of the Democratic

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Speaker 5: Republicans chose a partisan path drafting their Continuing Resolution without

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Speaker 2: So what he floats there is a thirty day quote

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Speaker 4: So let's put this up on the screen.

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Speaker 2: This is the latest Fromanu Raju over at CNN. He

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Speaker 2: says John Thune, who's the Senate Majority leader now and

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Speaker 2: agreement to have it sooner, sixty votes would be needed.

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Speaker 2: Their little thirty day show vote will fail. But since

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Speaker 3: Right it's hilarious because it would take people like us

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Speaker 3: But the point is is that this is actually fecklessness

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Speaker 3: And if you compare it to let's say, the Tea Party,

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Speaker 3: I mean, they would have no qualms whatsoever of voting

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Speaker 3: this thing down. They're like, absolutely not, you're going to

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Speaker 3: give us what we want. Oh, the houses out of town.

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Speaker 3: We don't care shut the government down. If you think

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Speaker 3: I don't think that that's true because people usually blame

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Speaker 3: think actually one reason I heard floated is that Democrats

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Speaker 3: decide who is essential government personnel and who's not, so

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Speaker 3: it would only be even easier for him and Doged

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Speaker 3: to fire the employees. But broadly, people should be aware

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Speaker 3: here the Democratic leadership is rudderless.

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Speaker 1: They have no idea what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: The Democratic senators are actually getting quite a bit of

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Speaker 3: calls and others to their offices telling them, hey, please

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Speaker 3: So they're trying to show people, oh, well, we did this,

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Speaker 3: But I mean, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: That people, voters and others are going to buy it.

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Speaker 3: They're going to see at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: nothing goes through the Senate unless the Democrats want it

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Speaker 3: to pass. Like, let's be clear here in a world,

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Speaker 3: sixty votes for cloture.

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Speaker 1: If the Dems vote for it, they know exactly what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, and so I think they

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Speaker 4: Again, not a done deal yet.

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Speaker 2: And guys, if you want them to stand up, you

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Speaker 4: And I know many people out.

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Speaker 2: There that are, but I do think if they you know,

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Speaker 2: it's almost worse. Like just just if you want this

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Speaker 4: Like don't. Don't do that.

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Speaker 2: I think that will actually just piss people off even

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Speaker 2: me go ahead and play Primeilagiapola, of course, a progressive

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Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to what she has to say.

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Speaker 6: They should refuse to allow this bill to pass in

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Speaker 6: the Senate. If they don't, I think there's going to

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Speaker 7: The Republicans have the White House, the Senate, and the House.

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Speaker 7: If they want to do this, and if they want

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Speaker 7: with their votes and their party. I do not believe

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Speaker 2: And to Sager's point about the Democratic leadership being rudderless,

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Speaker 2: we have all known for months now that this shutdown

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Speaker 2: not worked out a strategy, they hadn't really aggressively messaged

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Speaker 2: cut like Okay, here's what we're demanding in exchange, like

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Speaker 2: we will support we don't want to shut down the

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Speaker 2: government because we're Democrats and we support the government whatever.

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Speaker 4: But here's our list of demands.

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Speaker 2: None of that has been developed, none of that has

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Speaker 2: been messaged to address what Sager was saying too about

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Speaker 2: you know, the concern that listen. Number one, for Democrats,

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Speaker 2: it's uncomfortable because they are the party of like, hey,

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Speaker 2: we actually think that government does some good things. It's

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Speaker 2: a different ideological orientation versus the Tea party that's like

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Speaker 4: So that is uncomfortable.

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Speaker 2: But to address that core concern of like, okay, so

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Speaker 2: they are the ones who again they're they're ideologically they're

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Speaker 2: just like squarely in the sort of democratic liberal mainstream

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Speaker 2: and thoroughly disgusted with the lackluster rudderless approach of the

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Speaker 2: Democratic Party. So you'd be interesting to talk to them

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Speaker 2: and see what they're hearing from their groups.

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Speaker 4: And I know that they're one of the.

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Speaker 2: Groups that Kim Jeffreys was pissed off at them because

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Speaker 2: their members were like calling Democratic leadership and telling them

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Speaker 2: to stand up.

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Speaker 4: I know that their meetings have.

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Speaker 2: Been flooded with people who are showing up like what

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Speaker 2: can we do, how can we fight back?

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Speaker 1: Et cetera.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is not you know, this isn't Justice Stom,

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Speaker 2: it's not Bernie Aligned. This is like base liberal resistance

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Speaker 2: voters who are now truly disgusted with Democratic leadership in

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Speaker 2: a way that is so different from twenty sixteen, when

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Speaker 2: Nancy Pelosi was a hero and Adam Shift was a

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Speaker 2: hero and they felt like Democrats were truly fighting for

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Speaker 2: them and on their behalf and they were loving MSNBC

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Speaker 2: and all of that stuffy So I think it'd be

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Speaker 2: really interesting to talk to them about what shifts there,

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Speaker 2: what kind of energy they're seeing, and how they're feeling

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Speaker 2: about how things are going, because again, Democratic leadership is

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Speaker 2: underwater with the Democratic base, and I've never seen that

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Speaker 2: be the case.

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Speaker 3: If a Republican leadership's always underwater with the Republican base.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's then they always.

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Speaker 4: But that's the point is like the Tea Party was

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Speaker 4: a real thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah it was until it wasn't right, And it's like

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Speaker 3: it was and then Paul Ryan was there and he

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Speaker 3: was unpopular even though he was a Tea Party guy.

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Speaker 3: And then Mike Johnson is here and he's unpopular you

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Speaker 3: know with the base who came before him, McCarthy, he

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Speaker 3: was unpopular. But so it's like, I don't know, it's

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Speaker 3: one of those where uh they everyone.

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Speaker 2: Congressation general who were a rebellion on the Republican side.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and now you have a.

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Speaker 2: Democratic base that is showing much more rebellion than they

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Speaker 2: previously have visavi their own leaders and media outlets.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Me even think about like the three hundred thousand people

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Speaker 2: who dumped the Washington Post when they didn't endorse Kamala

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, that's it really is different, because

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Speaker 2: that's what determined the twenty twenty election, is that the

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Speaker 2: like liberals were like, tell us suit to vote for,

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Speaker 2: and all of those outlets were like, it's Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: and that was basically that has changed.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's that's a fair point. And we'll

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Speaker 3: talk more about this in the Democrats block. All right,

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Speaker 3: let's talk about the economy, shall we, because lots of

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Speaker 3: stuff still going on here. Republican senators doing themselves, no favors.

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Speaker 3: Senator Tommy Tubberville taking to Fox News saying there's no pain,

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Speaker 3: no gain.

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Speaker 1: That's his message on the tariffs.

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Speaker 8: Let's take a listen, and Trump's tariffs making America great again.

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Speaker 8: It's a great strategy if somebody's finally doing something out

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Speaker 8: of the White House, President Trump, that is that says

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Speaker 8: you have to take an action in another country.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, no pain, no gain. That's what we used to

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Speaker 9: tell our football players. There's gonna be some pain with tariffs.

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Speaker 9: But tariffs got us back as the strongest economy in

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Speaker 9: the world when President Trump was in the first time.

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Speaker 9: He knows what he's doing. Democrats, get out of the way.

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Speaker 9: Shut up. You have no answers. You didn't do anything

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Speaker 9: right in the last four years with Joe Biden. We

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Speaker 9: have a game plan. Trump has a game plan along

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Speaker 9: with Hard Luttnik and you know other people that are

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Speaker 9: pushing the tariffs. We can turn this thing around. But folks,

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Speaker 9: let me tell you, this is our last chance. If

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Speaker 9: we can't get it done now with tariffs and with

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Speaker 9: putting and pulling regulations and getting people back to work

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Speaker 9: and cutting our debt and cutting the amount of spending,

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Speaker 9: we're not going to have the country that we've had before.

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Speaker 9: So people need to just listen, learn from this. Understand

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Speaker 9: it's short term pain. We're going to get this turned around.

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Speaker 9: President Trump knows exactly what he's doing, and he has

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Speaker 9: a game plan something Democrats didn't know anything about.

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Speaker 1: No pain, no gain.

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Speaker 3: These guys have really got to get their stuff together

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Speaker 3: because that has never been a historical message that has

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Speaker 3: worked politically. Literally ever, you need to instead be talking

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Speaker 3: about the gain part and not really talking or emphasizing

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Speaker 3: the pain. You're like, we have a serious plan, this

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Speaker 3: is what we're doing. These are the number of jobs

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Speaker 3: that are going to be coming back. I saw you

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Speaker 3: and Emily cover that, Howard Luttning, it was unbelievable. It's

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Speaker 3: you know, it's ironic. Two days ago he said there

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Speaker 3: won't be a recession, which one is it?

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Speaker 2: And then he said, just to remind people, he said

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Speaker 2: a recession would be.

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Speaker 4: Worth it, worth it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh okay.

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Speaker 3: Nobody in all of human history in politics has ever

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Speaker 3: ever succeeded by running on that. And that is the

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Speaker 3: part which is really starting to drive me crazy, is

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Speaker 3: that without any serious affirmation plans and you know, actual

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Speaker 3: trust with the American people that things are going to

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Speaker 3: get better tangibly quickly. We are a consumption based society

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Speaker 3: after all, then I don't think that this is going

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Speaker 3: to work, and you really actually risk doing a lot

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Speaker 3: of damage and reversing a lot of the basically embrace

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Speaker 3: of the American people of targeted tariffs. Most people are

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Speaker 3: on board with tariffs if you sell them correctly and

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Speaker 3: if you tell then explain the benefits as well as

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Speaker 3: they're part of a plan. But if you have a

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Speaker 3: yo yo strategy and people basically start to believe that

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Speaker 3: all tariffs are bad, we're going to end up right

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Speaker 3: back to where we are in the first place.

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Speaker 1: No, many tariffs are good. I'm extremely supportive to tariff Canada,

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Speaker 1: Max Go, China, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: The problem is is that they're on, then they're off,

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Speaker 3: and then they're off for the auto workers, and then

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Speaker 3: now we're here and soon we're going to be giving exemptions,

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Speaker 3: and then we're not giving exemptions and people can't pay attention.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, their public services are basically remaining flat.

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Speaker 3: So now what and then, oh, in your retirement account,

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Speaker 3: I think thirty five percent of Americans have four oh

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Speaker 3: one K and so their retirement is down. The rest

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Speaker 3: of the sixty five percent of Americans are so are

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Speaker 3: going to be affected by the stock market basically, whether

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Speaker 3: you like it or not, if there's a twenty percent

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Speaker 3: So what do we do right now from the all

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Speaker 3: time high? I think we're down roughly like eight or

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Speaker 3: nine percent. S and P futures while you and I

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Speaker 3: are recording is all the games of yesterday are basically

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Speaker 3: being a race. So let's say we go down. We're

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Speaker 3: roughly down ten. When you're down twenty, you know, not

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Speaker 3: only will we pass correction territory, we're going towards recession territory.

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be laof so there's no question, you know.

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Speaker 3: The only thing that could potentially, I think, save the

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Speaker 3: economy right now is the Federal Reserve. They're not meeting

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Speaker 3: until May to announce their interest. Two months is a

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Speaker 3: long time, and America is not a forgiving nation. It's

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Speaker 3: really not with consumption. They will do it if you

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Speaker 3: sell them, if you have a plan, et cetera. But

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Speaker 3: they if they feel screwed around with and they just

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Speaker 3: have less money, that's good. That's not a place to

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Speaker 3: engender any sort of confidence in your government. And we're

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Speaker 3: starting to see some of this tick down. Now here's

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Speaker 3: the same caveat with all these poles.

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Speaker 1: It could be fake.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, but there are at least a

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Speaker 3: number of polls right now showing Trump's economic approval going down.

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Speaker 3: I would only pay attention because traditionally it's been even

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Speaker 3: if the polls were fake, even in the fake ones,

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Speaker 3: he's usually been doing pretty well.

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Speaker 1: Here's what the CNN poll had to say.

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Speaker 10: Donald Trump's current approval reading according to our brand new

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Speaker 10: CNM poll conducted by SSRs, is forty five percent. His

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Speaker 10: disapproval Sarah is at fifty four percent. He's clearly upside

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Speaker 10: down underwater any expression you want to use to say

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Speaker 10: this is not where any president would want to be.

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Speaker 10: And if you look though over time, that forty five

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Speaker 10: percent number, that was actually his high water mark in

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Speaker 10: all of CNN's polling throughout his first administration. So if

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Speaker 10: you look at the issue set overall, how is he

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Speaker 10: handling the whole host of issues that we tested. There

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Speaker 10: are some issues he scores quite high on fifty one

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Speaker 10: percent approove of his handling of immigration, But you ask

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Speaker 10: the key question the economy.

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Speaker 1: It is by far.

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Speaker 10: Issue number one for voters. Nothing really comes close overall

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Speaker 10: for Americans, And on that score, he's actually performing a

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Speaker 10: tick below his overall approval rating forty four percent approve

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Speaker 10: of his handling of the economy. You see that they're

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Speaker 10: below his job overall there the economy forty four percent,

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Speaker 10: fifty six percent Sarah disapproved. He is minus twelve percentage

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Speaker 10: points on the issue that Americans say is the most important.

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Speaker 1: So everybody take that for what you will.

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Speaker 3: The point is is that even our friend Logan of

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Speaker 3: Logan Phillips embraced the White House. He pointed this out.

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Speaker 3: Let's put it up there on the screen. You know,

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Speaker 3: you currently have a shift from approval. That disapproval dropped

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Speaker 3: an average of five point three percent across eight separate

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Speaker 3: polls in the Trump overall net approval rating, and all

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Speaker 3: of this, you know, generally tied to I think the economy,

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Speaker 3: and you really have to be certain that what you're

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Speaker 3: doing is going to produce a good outcome and that

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Speaker 3: people are going to be with you throughout that period.

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Speaker 3: And the White House right now is coasting off of

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Speaker 3: being new. We see this in Caroline Levitt's comments. Actually

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Speaker 3: that's what she told me right whenever I asked about

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Speaker 3: the stock market. But somebody over there actually asked a

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Speaker 3: great question, so like, how much longer are you going

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Speaker 3: to blame Biden?

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Speaker 1: Here's what she had to say.

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Speaker 2: How does the White House measure this in terms of

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Speaker 2: when can you not blame it on former President Biden?

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Speaker 4: And what does it fully become President Trump's responsibility.

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Speaker 11: Well, we've only been here for fifty two days, but

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Speaker 11: certainly the President is working hard every day to again

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Speaker 11: bring down the cost of living, which we see is

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Speaker 11: already happening. You see, the cost of eggs is going down,

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Speaker 11: cost of gasoline is going down because of the massive

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Speaker 11: deregulatory efforts of this president and also the fact that

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Speaker 11: we are delivering on his promise to drill, baby drill already.

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Speaker 11: You saw this past weekend the National Economic Advisory put

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Speaker 11: out a report that because of the regulations, we've already

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Speaker 11: slashed in just fifty two days, we've saved American taxpayers

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Speaker 11: one hundred and eighty billion dollars. That comes out to

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Speaker 11: about two thousand dollars per American household.

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Speaker 6: That's in fifty two days.

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Speaker 11: So the President is working diligently, and he's working hard

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Speaker 11: on this every single day. And we need Congress to

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Speaker 11: also help. We need Congress to pass a tax cuts,

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Speaker 11: which the President campaigned on in the vast majority of

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Speaker 11: the American people's support.

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Speaker 1: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: She's like, well, we've only been here for fifty two days. Look,

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Speaker 3: America will give you runway. That's when I want people

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Speaker 3: to remember. Trump is not sunk. He's not done. There's

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Speaker 3: none of that whatsoever. You still got a long way

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Speaker 3: to go. We're only fifty three days or whatever into

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Speaker 3: the administration. However, and I'll go back to the Biden administration.

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Speaker 3: He started at a seventy something approval rating. It took

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Speaker 3: him nine months to go underwater. Trump is the most

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Speaker 3: divisive probably in modern American politics, So started off a

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Speaker 3: little bit lower, but the economy was a huge strength

660
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Speaker 3: of his always the whole like, oh wish I had

661
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Speaker 3: mean tweets right now or whatever, and seniors the people

662
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Speaker 3: who vote more than anybody are also the people with

663
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Speaker 3: the most assets are going to be paying the most

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Speaker 3: attention to the stock market. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: political built in preparel for the Trump administration right now,

666
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Speaker 3: and I don't know. I really wonder how much of

667
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Speaker 3: it is bluster, how much of it is real. And

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Speaker 3: I actually think the worst possible outcome would be maximalist

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Speaker 3: tariff strategy for the first three months stock market correction

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Speaker 3: and then are reversal, because then you wouldn't even have

671
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Speaker 3: any of the new jobs as a result of the tariffs.

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Speaker 3: You would have just the pain and then caving to

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Speaker 3: the business community after a couple of months, which and

674
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Speaker 3: then also the public, as I said earlier, would nuke

675
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Speaker 3: its approval of tariffs. Would like, no, tariffs are good

676
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Speaker 3: and necessary. But I don't know, I'm worried. I'm worried

677
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Speaker 3: that about not only the strategy, but I could see

678
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 3: people pulling away if we get to twenty and thirty

679
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 3: percent correction territory. I mean, nobody in America has experienced

680
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Speaker 3: thirty percent or whatever.

681
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Speaker 1: In a long time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I saw some people posting Warren Buffett's Letter to America

684
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Speaker 3: the other day. He wrote this in two thousand and

685
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Speaker 3: eight about why I.

686
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Speaker 1: Was, like, guys, the market's only down ten percent.

687
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Speaker 3: He wrote that when the market was down fifty percent,

688
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Speaker 3: So none of us have been there. I have a

689
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Speaker 3: lot more respect for my dad now after living through

690
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Speaker 3: this and how he white knuckled it all the way

691
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Speaker 3: through the Great Recession.

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Speaker 1: So it's none of us have had to live through

693
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Speaker 1: that yet. Hopefully we don't, but.

694
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Speaker 3: That can cause all kinds of crazy political problems at

695
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 3: that time if we get.

696
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Speaker 2: To that, no doubt about it, and you know, you

697
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: might be surprised to learn, but I share a concern

698
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: that this is going to just completely negative, negatively polarize

699
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: people against any tariffs whatsoever. He's giving to tariff policy

700
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: a terrible name right now because it's done in such

701
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: a chaotic, haphazard across the board, non targeted, no story

702
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 2: about why we're doing this and what the benefits are,

703
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: or the story changes every day, et cetera. And as

704
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Speaker 2: you guys know, like I supported his tariffs that he

705
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Speaker 2: put in the first I supported the Biden terriffs which

706
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: were paired with industrial policy, which did have positive benefits

707
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Speaker 2: and helped to reshore some manufacturing, like you know, and

708
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: we're targeted at particular industries, Like there are instances where

709
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Speaker 2: tariffs make a lot of sense, but the way that

710
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Speaker 2: this is going, it's a total incomplete disaster. And we

711
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Speaker 2: showed yesterday Emily and I the word cloud from jail partners.

712
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 2: They ask people like, what is Trump's biggest mess up?

713
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Speaker 2: And maybe you guys can throw it up in post

714
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Speaker 2: and add it into the segment. But tariffs was number one,

715
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Speaker 2: front and center, and then it was like tariff's misspelled

716
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: different ways, and then the number two was all different

717
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 2: sorts of things regarding elon, Doge, federal firing, government, So

718
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 2: like all of those are really core sort of economic

719
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: pieces and for Trump to have at the core of

720
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: his administration discontent like that really is the story of

721
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 2: his administration right now. Discontent around his economic moves. That

722
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 2: is something that is definitely new and different ultimately from

723
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Speaker 2: the first term. I do want to say though, they

724
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 2: did get some good news. Now there's another inflation report

725
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Speaker 2: that is set to come out maybe today or tomorrow,

726
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 2: and we'll see what that one says as well. But

727
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 2: we could put this up on the screen, inflation cooled

728
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Speaker 2: somewhat more than expected. In February two point eight percent.

729
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Speaker 2: Core reading also eased, but looming tariffs, they say, may

730
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Speaker 2: keep consumer prices rising. So consumer prices were up two

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Speaker 2: point eight percent in February from a year earlier. That's

732
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Speaker 2: according to a Labor Department report, versus a January gain

733
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Speaker 2: of three percent. Economists pulled by the Wall Street Journal

734
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Speaker 2: and expected a two point nine percent gain, so it

735
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Speaker 2: came in a little bit better than expected. Prices excluding

736
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Speaker 2: food and energy categories is so called core measure that

737
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Speaker 2: economists watched an effort to better capture inflation's underlying trend

738
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Speaker 2: because food is more volatile, rose three point one percent.

739
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Speaker 2: That was the lowest year over year reading since twenty

740
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Speaker 2: twenty one, also lower than the three point two percent

741
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Speaker 2: expected by a cop So when you heard Caroline Levitt,

742
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: they're saying that, oh, egg prices are down and inflation

743
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Speaker 2: is cooling and lowest ratings since twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: Whatever.

745
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: This is what she is referring to.

746
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Speaker 2: One of the theories of what they're doing where it

747
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 2: really feels like they're manufacturing a stock market crash and

748
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Speaker 2: manufacturing effectively a recession, is that that is an effort

749
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Speaker 2: to crush demand, which means crushing your like you know, wages,

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Speaker 2: an ability ability to spend in order to get inflation

751
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Speaker 2: under control. And so you know, that is one theory

752
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Speaker 2: for what is going on out there, which you know,

753
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Speaker 2: if your goal to get inflation down is basically to

754
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Speaker 2: like screw over regular people, I don't think that's something

755
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 2: that people should support, even if it does have the

756
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 2: impact here of cutting inflation. But I'm not trying to like,

757
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: you know, sandbag them on this like it's good and

758
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 2: inflation coming down like it's good, it's a good piece

759
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 2: of news for them, et cetera. But just putting in

760
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Speaker 2: that broader picture of what one of the theories about

761
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Speaker 2: what the hell they're.

762
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Speaker 3: Up to here is no one knows. Let's put the

763
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Speaker 3: next one up there. Egg prices, by the way, have

764
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Speaker 3: started to fall, so that's good. They Fortune Magazine was

765
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Speaker 3: saying it could be just for a little while. This

766
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 3: is actually mostly as a result of like the wild

767
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Speaker 3: swings in the bird population and in bird flu control,

768
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Speaker 3: but also it possibly hopefully could be a result also

769
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Speaker 3: of the administration announcing an investigation into those egg producers, right,

770
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Speaker 3: because you know, this is part of my issue as well,

771
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: goes back to the Biden administration. I'm not really sure

772
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Speaker 3: why they are. I'm not really sure why they're not

773
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Speaker 3: talking more about these.

774
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Speaker 1: Types of initiatives.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I have a suspicion, which is that it's

776
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Speaker 3: very you know, anti big business. I mean, don't necessarily

777
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 3: want to be tagged that way. And I would say, okay, great,

778
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: you know, big business or whatever is not the be

779
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: all end all of.

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Speaker 1: The US economy.

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Speaker 3: It's a good thing to factor a daily staple like this,

782
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,480
Speaker 3: and the price is going to continue to go down,

783
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: which you try and do more of that across the board.

784
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: So interesting also political judgment there by the White House.

785
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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, like you said, I'm rooting for

786
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 3: inflation to go down no matter what. I'm especially rooting

787
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: for inflation in the most important places in American life

788
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 3: to go down, like in housing, and especially hoping that

789
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: these interest rates go down so that people can get

790
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Speaker 3: more affordable mortgages. But things are not good right now,

791
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 3: no matter what, and the White House has got to

792
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: play very very close attention otherwise they're in big trouble

793
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: and they'll end up with high tariffs, high inflation, high unemployment,

794
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: and high interest rates.

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Speaker 1: What a shit situation that would.

796
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: Stag Stagflation is definitely one possibility that is on the table.

797
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: And the other thing to note about this report is

798
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: it really comes in it's reflecting data from before any

799
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,919
Speaker 2: of the tariffs were put on, too, so we don't

800
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 2: really have any indication yet you know what that might

801
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: have done, what impact that might have had on prices.

802
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: All right, let's get over to dose.

803
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 3: This is you know, funny depressing, depending which way you

804
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: want to look at it. Let's go and put this

805
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 3: up there on the screen. So for all the talk

806
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: of cutting federal spending, of budgets, of America going bankrupt,

807
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 3: et cetera, new you know report from the Treasury Department,

808
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 3: keep that in mind, from the actual Department of the Treasury,

809
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 3: not from everybody else, shows that US federal spending actually

810
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: rose to a record of six hundred and three billion

811
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 3: just last month, despite you know, any claims of what

812
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: is it one hundred billion or so in savings? Remember that,

813
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 3: what's the word? You were an accountant, right, it's more time?

814
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 12: No?

815
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: But I what am I looking for?

816
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 3: Like that word about like taking spending and putting it

817
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: over a period of time. I think it's a yeah,

818
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 3: it's camortized, okay, despite like this is always when people

819
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,919
Speaker 3: like we're cutting ten trillion dollars in spending, it's like, yeah,

820
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: it's theoretical spending over ten years.

821
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Speaker 1: Man, Like, how much are you actually cutting right now?

822
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: So they have claimed one hundred billion dollars of savings quote,

823
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: but only a handful of departments have registered any drops

824
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: and spending. In the first full month of the administration,

825
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 3: spending actually rose by forty billion compared with the same

826
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: month just last year on a like for like basis,

827
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Speaker 3: which is a seven percent increase and month over month data.

828
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 3: They have actually shown a few large categories that have

829
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 3: achieved some decrease. The Department of Education had cut out

830
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Speaker 3: goings by about six billion, so that means that those

831
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 3: were made up for elsewhere. Jessica Rydell, who is an

832
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 3: economic expert at the Manhattan Institute, was quoted here saying

833
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: those savings are so small as to not be identifiable

834
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 3: in monthly spending totals and continuing whenever you're down here

835
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Speaker 3: is the monthly outlay, for example, on Usaid was some

836
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 3: two hundred and twenty six million compared with five hundred

837
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: and forty seven million in the same month. But that's

838
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Speaker 3: what I kept trying to say even during that whole

839
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Speaker 3: USAID fight is I was like, hey, guys, this is

840
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: point two percent of the federal budget, right, and it's like, well,

841
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: if we look at where a lot of the payment

842
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 3: and the spending and all of that is going, it's

843
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 3: on stuff that no one's even thinking about cutting, defense budget, entitlements,

844
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Speaker 3: and debt servicing.

845
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Speaker 1: All three of those.

846
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 3: Arguably, interest rates have cost America more than anything else

847
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 3: because it increases the amount that we have to pay

848
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,760
Speaker 3: to service our debt. That alone, apparently are debt servicing

849
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: is more than all federal tax revenue that they took

850
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: in just last year. So what are we doing here?

851
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: If you know, in the idea of federal you know,

852
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: employees or whatever, it's just a drop in the bucket. Like,

853
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: if you really want to change things, fine, you know,

854
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 3: let's have that conversation. I'd be happy to, but yeah,

855
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: nobody seems particularly interested.

856
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, some of the discourse I've seen

857
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 2: online about this is like, okay, so which is it

858
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 2: is Elon like you know, messing everything up or is

859
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: he doing nothing at all? And what you're pointing to

860
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 2: helps the square the circle. If you eliminated every single

861
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,799
Speaker 2: civilian federal government employee, all of them, it's four point

862
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: three percent of the budget. The things that Key has

863
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 2: targeted USAID. We're talking about a budget in the millions. Well, meanwhile,

864
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: you're planning an extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act,

865
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: you know, tax cut for the rich in corporations four

866
00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: point six trillion. Okay, So it is very possible to

867
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, slash government workers and make it so old

868
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 2: people can't call the Social Security lines anymore and there's

869
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 2: huge lines and hours you know to get service, and

870
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Speaker 2: to completely dismantle USAIG, cut the Department of Education by half,

871
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 2: cut NIH funding by a significant amount, and do a

872
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: lot of real damage while saving comparatively pennies in comparison

873
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: to the federal government budget. And that is effectively what

874
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: is going on here, because again they haven't touched the pentagon.

875
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the place where you would really want

876
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: to cut. And you know, I don't want them to

877
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: touch Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security.

878
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: But if you.

879
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: Aren't doing you know, significant significant cuts in those areas,

880
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: then you're going to see the numbers continue to go up.

881
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 2: I mean, that's just where you are, and it's very hot.

882
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you can't take seriously anyway their claims of

883
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: grave concern about the debt and the deficit when they

884
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: are planning these massive tax cut giveaways to people who

885
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 2: really don't need it, and also, by the way, planning

886
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 2: on increasing defense spending, et cetera. So you know, I

887
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 2: have always said it's really important to not take it

888
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: face value. The claim that doge is about saving money.

889
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 2: Doge is a power play. That's what it is for

890
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: Elon and also for you know, people who are ideological

891
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 2: libertarian libertarians or anarcho capitalists who are just opposed to government,

892
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: don't want government to have power, see government as like

893
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 2: a rival power center to the conservative movement, people like

894
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: Russ Vote, who is a real, you know, sort of

895
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 2: ideological stalwart in this direction. It's not really about saving

896
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 2: money for Elon. It's about making sure these agencies can't

897
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 2: stay in the way of standing the way of his companies,

898
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 2: especially targeting the ones that have irritated him the most,

899
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 2: you know, the FAA and other places, making sure that

900
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: he has his hand on the tiller so that he

901
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: can you know, whether it's feeding data into his AI system,

902
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: or whether it's potentially you know, getting shuffling contracts into

903
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: his companies, which you we've already seen him do in

904
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 2: certain instances. And it's also for others an ideological project

905
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 2: of just like how do I tear the government down

906
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,280
Speaker 2: and make sure that it can't work, can't deliver for people.

907
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: So you know, it's sold because as popular as efficiency,

908
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 2: as cutting out waste, as reducing the debt and the deficit,

909
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 2: but that isn't really the core of the ideological goal.

910
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 2: One other things I wanted to get your thoughts on this, Sagar.

911
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 2: So I was thinking about the areas, like you name,

912
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: the places where they actually spending went down, like they've

913
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: made the most severe cuts, and Usaid, Department of Education

914
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 2: CFPB are kind of top of that list, all of

915
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: which again have comparatively small budgets, you know when you

916
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: look at the grand scheme of the federal government. But

917
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: those are three areas where the like RUSS Vote Project

918
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five conservative movement, where they had a plan

919
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 2: to dismantle them. And so I feel like the places

920
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: where they have been able to move the most aggressively

921
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 2: and the most radically are actually the places that russ

922
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 2: Vote was most interested in target.

923
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: It's that the herriage found a sho and all of

924
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: them have hated the Department of Education for years. There's

925
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 3: been almost a fifteen year project against the CFPB usaidea

926
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:07,479
Speaker 3: as well has.

927
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: Been a long time target.

928
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 3: No, you're not wrong, which is that these are long

929
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 3: time targets of the federal government. I mean, do you

930
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 3: remember Rick Perry's famous debate moment on the stage where

931
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 3: he forgot the three departments that he wanted.

932
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: It's like these are long standing He was like, oh,

933
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: can't think of the third one. Yeah.

934
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 3: Later on, by the way, his excuse was he was

935
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 3: on painkillers, which is an insane Okay, but you shouldn't

936
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 3: admit that, dude.

937
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: It's better to just say you're.

938
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 4: Being stupid back issues or whatever.

939
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: Oh, it was actually highest on painkillers at the time.

940
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 4: Okay, god, right is bold, But.

941
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, there is a picture

942
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: that's starting to emerge of the dose people sort of

943
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 2: running through these agencies, you know, getting access to these

944
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 2: sensitive databases, causing a lot of trouble and tumults, and

945
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,799
Speaker 2: you know, like at the Social Security administration. Certainly they're

946
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 2: slashing which is another long time conservative target, but slashing

947
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: the number of people the floating all these crazy ideas

948
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: for so, oh my god, there's all this fraud O way,

949
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 2: it turns out that those dead people aren't getting the funds,

950
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 2: Maybe we can cut the telephone service. They're just sort

951
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 2: of running rampant on this like chaos train. And the

952
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: things that are really aggressively moving are things that were

953
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 2: sort of lined up through Project twenty twenty five and

954
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: where there was an existing, longstanding conservative priority and plan

955
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 2: of how they wanted to go about doing it.

956
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I'm not sure.

957
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 3: I think it's just that those really look politically, these

958
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,680
Speaker 3: are obviously the easiest ones to cut. It's just that

959
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 3: now you have to deal with real stuff, and it's

960
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 3: also a lot more complicated. So I'm just not sure.

961
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 3: I'm not ready to buy all that much into it.

962
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 3: But this is actually another reason why they're flirting a

963
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: little bit with problems, is that you have incited you

964
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: both will not actually decrease federal spending, but you will

965
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: also have launched like this grand program against it. And

966
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 3: so if any because I've seen people who are real

967
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: They're like serious dozers, is the way I would describe it.

968
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: They're like people who have genuinely, for decades wanted to

969
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 3: massively cut the size of the government. They're like, hey, guys,

970
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 3: just at the same point I made on tariffs. If

971
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: you don't do this properly, no American the American people

972
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: are not going to trust any future effort to seriously

973
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 3: want to reform the government.

974
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you know what, that's actually kind

975
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: of a good point. You really have.

976
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: You could nuke a lot of public trust in that

977
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: and make it so that hanging and keeping around dead

978
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: weight in the future becomes a more politically popular decision.

979
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,279
Speaker 3: You found this of a teletown hall survey where and

980
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 3: look people who call in the town halls and participating

981
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 3: in this These are point there is ze point one

982
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 3: percent of the most politically activated. So just remember who

983
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 3: exactly we're dealing with. But it's still important because those

984
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 3: are the type people who show up and vote. He

985
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: was doing a teletown hall did a pull of people

986
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 3: who support or oppose DOGE, and the results were pretty astonishing.

987
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 3: This is Republican Tom Barrett from Michigan. Let's take a listen.

988
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 12: We'll go ahead and move on to our second whole question,

989
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 12: and that question is do you approve of the Department

990
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 12: of Government Efficiencies Mission to streamline the federal government and

991
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 12: reduce spending? Again, this question is regarding DOGE do you

992
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 12: approve of the Department of Government Efficiencies mission to streamline

993
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 12: the federal government and reduce spending? Press one for yes

994
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 12: and press two for no. Again, that's one for yes

995
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 12: and two for no. Our results are coming in and

996
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:40,280
Speaker 12: it's an at seventy percent for no and thirty percent

997
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 12: for yes. That's seventy percent for no. It's thirty percent.

998
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 3: For yes, seventy percent for no. So yeah, that's a

999
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 3: little bit of an issue there. Again, let's keep it so.

1000
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 3: Do we have his district?

1001
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just lift it up.

1002
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: You see, this was Alyssa Slotkin's old district. It's a

1003
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: swing district. So he won it pretty narrowly fifty point

1004
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,959
Speaker 2: three percent sound of the vote. His opponent got forty

1005
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: six point six and there's a libertarian who took the

1006
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,359
Speaker 2: remainder of the vote. So you're talking about a swing

1007
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: district in Michigan. Obviously, you know that's important data point.

1008
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 2: I mean, no, one is saying this teletown hall is like,

1009
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: you know, a scientific poll or anything. But the other

1010
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,959
Speaker 2: thing that's funny is I was saying to you there

1011
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: was that edict that went out from the head of

1012
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: the NRCC. I can't remember the dude's name, but McCormick

1013
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: maybe something like that. Anyway, he was like, don't do

1014
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 2: in person town halls, Like, if you're going to do

1015
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,000
Speaker 2: a town hall, do a teletown hall because it makes

1016
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: it much easier. You can control who gets to ask questions.

1017
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 2: You don't have the specter of the crowd with signs

1018
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 2: and like yelling at you and whatever.

1019
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 4: And so he's taking that advice.

1020
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: Of like, I'm not going to see these people in person,

1021
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 2: but I'll do my teletown hall. And even within the

1022
00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: context of that as getting you know, a clip that

1023
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: gets played on shows like ours and passed around, et cetera.

1024
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 4: So it is it is kind of interesting.

1025
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: I mean, these are people are people are very activated

1026
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: and very concerned about this, and the impacts show up

1027
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: in more places than you would expect.

1028
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 4: We've talked about the federal parks.

1029
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: You know that the national parks that are important to

1030
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 2: people and important to economies as well, and again, let's

1031
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: say you cut ten park rangers that are like critical

1032
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: to the operation of that park. How much money did you, say,

1033
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 2: a pitdling amount. But the impact is really devastating to

1034
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 2: that area because the park can no longer function. You've

1035
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: got long lines to get in, you don't have people

1036
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: who are able to maintain it, or like there was

1037
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 2: an issue with like people getting locked in the bathroom,

1038
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 2: there's no one there to help them, et cetera. Some

1039
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 2: places had to stop taking reservations altogether because they were

1040
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: already short staffed, and then further cuts came and they

1041
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: just really could no longer function. So it put C

1042
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: three up on the screen because this was some inside

1043
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 2: details about the Social Security Administration and the back and

1044
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: forth there, and this is what I was talking about

1045
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 2: a little bit the Washington Post hairsheet about how the

1046
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,040
Speaker 2: doche people went in and initially they were like, oh

1047
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: my god, we found all that. Look at all these

1048
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 2: people who are three hundred years old who are in

1049
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: the system, Like, holy cow, we've found billions of dollars

1050
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 2: in fraud here. And then the career people were like, well,

1051
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 2: actually that's not what's going on. Those are just all

1052
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: the names of people who have ever gotten Social Security,

1053
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 2: and we're aware they're in there and their birth dates

1054
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: aren't correct, but they're marked, so they're not getting paid.

1055
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 2: And by the way, we did an investigation to see

1056
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 2: whether we should clean them out of the database, but

1057
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: it came back it was going to cost millions of

1058
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 2: dollars and it doesn't really cause a problem, so we

1059
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: just left them in there so the career people are

1060
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:28,479
Speaker 2: able to explain to them. Of course, the President Elan

1061
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: are still running around making this case because it enables

1062
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 2: them potentially to make the case down the road that like, oh,

1063
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 2: we're cutting soci Security, but it's just fraud, et cetera.

1064
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: And so once they were the doge people inside of

1065
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: Social Security, we're convinced that, okay, it's this dead people

1066
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 2: thing is not real, Like this is a kind of

1067
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: a dead end for us to pursue. Then they were like,

1068
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 2: how about we cut the phone service so that old

1069
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 2: people can no longer and disabled people and you know,

1070
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 2: whoever needs to call in and you know, ask a

1071
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: question about Social Security, et cetera, so that they either

1072
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 2: have to go in person, which, by the way, some

1073
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,439
Speaker 2: of those offices are being cut and shuttered as well,

1074
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: or they have to file it online. Do you have

1075
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 2: elderly relatives, parents, whatever? Like, do you know how sometimes

1076
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,319
Speaker 2: they need to talk to someone on the phone and

1077
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 2: they struggle to fill out some paperwork or figure out

1078
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,760
Speaker 2: how to navigate online, like it's kind of an important service.

1079
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: So they were going in that direction again, the career

1080
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: staff came in and were like, you know, that's really

1081
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 2: not a great idea, Like this isn't going to work

1082
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 2: out well, et cetera. So now they've paired back again

1083
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 2: to what they're going to do is just cut your

1084
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: ability to change your direct deposit information via the telephone.

1085
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: So that's what they've landed on. But you know, I

1086
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 2: mean all of this like internal tumult cutting the staff

1087
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Speaker 2: at the Social Security Administration, which already was reportedly sort

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Speaker 2: of like short staffed, trying to strip down. Now you're

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Speaker 2: talking about services that allow people to get enrolled. Already,

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Speaker 2: the phone wait times have spiked already, the wait times

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Speaker 2: that these offices have spiked, et cetera. And you just

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Speaker 2: get a like, you know, these people don't really know

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Speaker 2: what they're doing, and they're just sort of like rooting

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Speaker 2: around and making it up as they go.

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Speaker 3: So I know this is going to be tremendously unpopular,

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Speaker 3: but should we really coddle old people by just keeping

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Speaker 3: phone service around?

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Speaker 1: Of course, I don't know. I'm just talking about it.

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Speaker 1: It bothers me.

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Speaker 3: It's like when you go to a parking garage and

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Speaker 3: they have an attendant there even though there's like a

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00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: button there to press, and you're like, why are you

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Speaker 3: even here?

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Speaker 4: Like sorry, because you can't figure online?

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Speaker 3: I have in American old people that they have the

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Speaker 3: IQ to figure it out about how to enter your

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Speaker 3: data online? Aren't they being a little bit like stubborn

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Speaker 3: by demanding that we pay a bunch of people. How

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00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: hard to check your routing number on your computer and

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Speaker 3: your phone?

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Speaker 1: Okay, no, it's right there.

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Speaker 4: You a really worked with the elderly.

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Speaker 2: You're talking about disabled people like having off because here's

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Speaker 2: the thing too, is like people can oh, the government

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00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 2: doesn't work and it's so hard to navigain, and it's like, okay,

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Speaker 2: well we have the service that makes it easier for

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Speaker 2: people to nab games like not, let's cut that. Let's

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Speaker 2: make it more difficult for people to be able to

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Speaker 2: get the you know, social Security payments and access to

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Speaker 2: the system that they have themselves paid into.

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Speaker 1: This is why I'm not going.

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Speaker 3: To get elected because I just think that it's not

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Speaker 3: that only.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's the amount that this cost is like nothing.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, in the content grands certain things and

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Speaker 2: it makes life that this is the most popular program

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Speaker 2: that ever existed in our country, most successful social safety

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Speaker 2: net program in the world. Like, yes, I think people

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Speaker 2: should have as easy access to it as possible.

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Speaker 1: Just I mean, but how long does this continue? It's like,

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Speaker 1: do we have to wait until forever? Why not? So

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Speaker 1: we always have.

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Speaker 3: To have phones ridiculous with ninety percent of people have

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00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 3: a cell phone with five G data on it, Like

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Speaker 3: it's it's not difficult.

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Speaker 1: Especially with iPhone call. They even have boomer mode on

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Speaker 1: the iPhone.

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Speaker 3: You can have your text as big as possible, and

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Speaker 3: they make it easy.

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Speaker 1: To go out disabled. I'll absolutely give you one. That's fine.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know, there's there's something about it that

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00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: bothers me a little bit where we just tend to

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00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: it's it's like that least common denominator thing where the

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00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, it's been the scene to liab concept where

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Speaker 3: if you have one person who's disagreeable in a group

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00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: of like one hundred, then the group of ninety nine

1147
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 3: will generally go with that. It's like, do we really

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00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 3: need to have like all of these government services for

1149
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 3: people who just refuse to use the internet. I don't know,

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Speaker 3: it just makes me a little bit skeptical of that,

1151
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Speaker 3: not saying that what I'm saying is popular at all.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, how do you think?

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00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 2: Like, think about Joe Biden coignitive decline and now imagine

1154
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: a legion of Joe Biden's I mean, listen, memory loss

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00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 2: and like confus like these are this happens as you

1156
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Speaker 2: get older, and so yes, I think to make it

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Speaker 2: as easy as possible for people to be able to

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Speaker 2: access the benefits that they have earned and deserved is

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Speaker 2: like the bare minimum of what we should expect from

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Speaker 2: our government.

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Speaker 1: Call me ablest agist or whatever. I don't know. It

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Speaker 1: just makes me. It just it makes me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, how much do we really have to sit

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Speaker 3: here and cater to all of them? I'm sure all

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Speaker 3: my younger folks or whatever who are out there who've

1166
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Speaker 3: had to ever deal with disagreeable old people or in

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Speaker 3: an office space or something can agree with me. But anyway,

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Speaker 3: to your point about Doze not sending their best, this

1169
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Speaker 3: is a hilarious segment that CNN found. One of these

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Speaker 3: DOGE workers has been doing these get ready with me

1171
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Speaker 3: posts on Instagram, working as an influencer, actually in her

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Speaker 3: government office, posting some of her outfits in like cutesy

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Speaker 3: little poses. So let's take a listen, and if you're

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Speaker 3: able to watch.

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Speaker 1: I do recommend that you watch this one. Let's take

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Speaker 1: a lesson.

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Speaker 13: It looks just like any other influencer video, a young

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00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 13: woman posing in front of a camera, over and over

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Speaker 13: and over again, showing off her trendy but timeless professional fashion.

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Speaker 7: But she's no.

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Speaker 13: Ordinary influencer, and that's no ordinary office. Her name is

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Speaker 13: McLaurin Pinover, and she's a Trump administration's new director of

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Speaker 13: Communications for the Office of Personnel Management, or OPM, which

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Speaker 13: manages federal employees. All of these videos were shot in

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Speaker 13: her government office right here at OPM headquarters in Washington, DC,

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Speaker 13: ground zero for Trump's plan to cut thousands of workers

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Speaker 13: from the federal government in the name of efficiency. Inside

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Speaker 13: her office, Pinover captures video at her desk putting on

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Speaker 13: makeup modeling new outfits to her eight hundred followers, pinover

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Speaker 13: markets clothes.

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Speaker 1: On her account.

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Speaker 13: Using what's called affiliate links, she could get a portion

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Speaker 13: of any item sold through her Instagram page, like this

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Speaker 13: four hundred and seventy five dollars skirt or three hundred

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Speaker 13: dollars dress, but it's unclear whether she's made any money.

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Speaker 13: On February thirteenth, the day twenty people on her communications

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Speaker 13: team lost their jobs, she posted a moment for mixed patterns,

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Speaker 13: and the week when her agency demanded all federal employees

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Speaker 13: list five things they did that week, she posted the

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Speaker 13: business Woman special.

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Speaker 1: Not a great look, Okay.

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Speaker 2: The most ability humiliating part is that you only had

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Speaker 2: eight hundred followers.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's a lot of work to be putting

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Speaker 3: in for eight hundred followers. Like you said, two of

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Speaker 3: those affiliate lens. It's like, you know, you'd be lucky

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Speaker 3: if you get one or two people to click on

1209
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Speaker 3: something like that. Anyway, the more the more that you

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Speaker 3: say you're gonna see stuff like that, I think it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be a problem.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it's a problem.

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Speaker 12: Yes,