WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: Alex Pretti Shooting, DHS Funding Bill & Rojava 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:02.880 Al Zone Media. 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:11.879 This is It could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:14.320 news cast covering what's happening in the White House, the 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.800 crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.840 Today I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:26.520 This episode, we're covering the week of January twenty first 0:00:26.640 --> 0:00:33.440 to January twenty eighth. Massive snowstorm across most of the country, 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.839 at least the real parts of the country, which is 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.279 the East coast in the south. Now and wow, there 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:41.480 is a lot of snow. It makes me feel kind 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.640 of like a penguin just walking off to the mountains 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:51.040 by myself, weathering the weather. Finally, I feel akin to 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:55.480 the President, who is now also a suicidal penguin. 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:57.320 At the wrong end of the globe. 0:00:57.480 --> 0:00:58.160 Yeah. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.200 Yeah, well, you know, as soon as they start the remigration, 0:01:01.440 --> 0:01:03.360 they're going to be deporting penguins stuff. 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:05.160 Greenland. 0:01:05.440 --> 0:01:09.320 Yeah, it's held in a military detention camp off of Greenland, 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:11.720 now that we might own a tiny bit of our 0:01:12.080 --> 0:01:15.480 military base. Still very unclear what the details of that 0:01:15.520 --> 0:01:16.440 Greenland deal are. 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:20.120 No, he just wanted to be able to say he 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:22.640 made a deal and I don't know if it's going 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.560 to be any different than the status quo was before, 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.920 but he'll claim victory and so will his supporters, and 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:28.199 we'll all move. 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:31.000 On as we kind of already have. 0:01:31.480 --> 0:01:33.600 Yep, there's too much other bullshit going on. 0:01:33.959 --> 0:01:35.679 That is the motto for twenty twenty six. 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:41.840 Some of that bullshit is the third immigration enforcement related 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:46.040 shooting in Minneapolis in just three weeks, James, do you 0:01:46.080 --> 0:01:47.319 want to start with that? 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.480 So, yeah, I was in Minneapolis. I was actually just 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.600 in Minneapolis Airport when this happened. On Saturday of this week, 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:59.559 Alex Pretty was shot by two CBP agents in Minneapolis Well. 0:01:59.680 --> 0:02:02.880 He was filming an immigration raid in which ICE agents 0:02:02.960 --> 0:02:06.480 attempted to pursue someone into a donut shop that seemed 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.120 to have locked the doors. Pretty seemed to be trying 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:11.840 to assist a woman who had been pushed to the 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.840 ground by agents. When the agents grabbed him, maceed him, 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:18.239 beat him, disarmed him, and then shot him several times. 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:21.120 Pretty he was thirty seven. It was a Veterans Affairs 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.680 ICY UNICE and when this confrontation with immigration agents began, 0:02:27.360 --> 0:02:30.920 he was legally carrying a sig P three twenty handgun 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.040 concealed inside his waistband. I can go on and summarize 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:36.360 the video for anyone who hasn't seen it. It's obviously 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:38.960 quite distressing, so you know, if you're gonna watch it, 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.919 just know that you're gonna see someone die. Video shows 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:46.440 several agents beating Pretty. This one grabs a handgun from 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:51.120 his inside waistband holster. Very quickly after this, ten shots 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.960 are fired by at least two agents. You can hear 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:58.200 at one point an agent shouting gun, gun, He's got 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:00.880 a gun. Yeah, And then in the after mark, another 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.920 video shows agents asking where is the gun? So it 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:09.600 doesn't appear that the agent who cleared Pretty's gun informed 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.680 the other agents that that had happened. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.519 Though the agent that first fired at Pretty was standing 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:19.560 right behind the agent that disarmed him and is literally 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:23.040 like looking down at where the gun is being removed 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.120 as he then seconds later starts shooting. 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:26.400 Yeah. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.080 Pretty falls to the ground. Then more agents fire on 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:31.680 his body as it lays flat on the ground. 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:32.720 Yeah. 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.720 The CBP initial use of force review, which was sent 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.680 to Congress today, suggested that on Wednesday, Yeah, this is Wednesday, 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:46.280 the twenty eighth, two agents fired, so we know at 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.440 least two agents fired right where it's not entirely clear. 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:51.880 I don't think if all of these were CBP agents, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:55.440 but at least one of the agents who fired shots 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.760 was an eight year CBP veteran. Then a range safety officer, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.800 Greg Bavina has declined to identify them because he said 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:04.880 that would be doxing. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:07.880 That's not what that word usually means. 0:04:08.520 --> 0:04:08.720 No. 0:04:09.400 --> 0:04:13.360 DHS has claimed that Pretty had two extra magazines on 0:04:13.440 --> 0:04:16.479 his person, but I haven't seen any evidence of that. 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.280 What they provided was a photograph of a sig P 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.839 three twenty with a red dot site and the slide 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.839 lock backed clearly on the front seat of a vehicle 0:04:24.880 --> 0:04:26.279 with two charge courts next to it. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:26.480 Right. 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.239 That's that's not normally how evidence is treated in a crime. 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.160 That it's an unusual way to go about that put in. 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:38.120 The DHS Secretary Christie Nome, has told reporters that Pretty 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:42.360 attacked and impeded law enforcement and was brandishing his weapon. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.200 Videos don't show that. 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:47.760 The only time that you see his weapon is when 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:50.640 it is removed by the agent who takes it out 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:51.400 of this waistband. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:55.440 Pretty appears to be holding his black cell phone for 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:57.280 the entirety of this interaction. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:57.680 Yep. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:04:59.520 And it's very clear that it's a cell phone, right 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.520 CBP as inches obviously from the phone in his face. Yeah, 0:05:04.600 --> 0:05:07.920 there is no reasonable claim. 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:08.080 Now. 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.000 As a rule, throughout the interaction, there was never any 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:13.920 confusion that would have led them to believe he had 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:15.600 a gun in his hand or to be unaware that 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:19.599 he had been disarmed. Yep, there's no argument for that. 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.080 You can't make a case for that reasonably. People will 0:05:22.080 --> 0:05:23.440 do unreasably. I don't care. 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.760 The allegation that he attacked members repeated by FBI Director 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:30.680 Cash Patel in the interview he gave to Fox News. 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.200 I'm going to give a little video of Nomes claim. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:38.679 This individual impeded the law enforcement officers and attacked them. 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.080 State the facts as they unfolded on the street today. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.680 We were doing a targeted operation against an illegal criminal, 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.400 and this individual came with a weapon and dozens of 0:05:49.440 --> 0:05:53.760 rounds of ammunition and attacked them. And these agents took 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:57.040 action to defend their lives and to defend the lives 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.920 of the people around them, and it acted according to their. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:02.160 CPP. 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:07.000 Commander at Large potentially no longer Commander at Large, Gregory 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:12.200 Bavino claimed that Pretty had assaulted federal agents, and throughout 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.800 a press conference at Baveno, Gave referred to Pretty as 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.600 a suspect and the people who killed him as victims. 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:25.160 Lavina also claimed that Pretty planned to quote, massacre law enforcement. 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.560 Was he simply walking by and just happened to walk 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.360 into a law enforcement situation and try to direct traffic 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.120 and stand in the middle of the road and then assault, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.680 delay and obstruct law enforcement? Or was he there for 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.680 a reason? Did he fall victim to that violent and 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:47.560 heated rhetoric by a mayor Fry, a governor Waltz. Look, Dan, 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.440 they're trying to portray board of all agents and Ice 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:56.359 agents as Gestapo, Nazi and many other words. Did this 0:06:56.440 --> 0:07:00.320 individual fall victim as many others have that type of 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:01.000 heated rhetoric. 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.200 I want to stay focused on this incident right now, 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.920 because what you were saying is that he went there 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.280 to try to stop this law enforcement operation. All of 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.960 the video that we have seen shows him documenting it 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:16.920 with his cell phone, which is a lawful thing to do. 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.800 And the only time he seemed to interact with law 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.040 enforcement is when they went after him, when he was 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.680 trying to help an individual who law enforcement pushed down. 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.160 So where do you have the evidence to show that 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:33.440 he was trying to impede that that law enforcement operation. 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:37.640 Sure, Dana, First, he was there in the scene. He 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:42.040 was in the scene actively impeding and assaulting law enforcement 0:07:42.120 --> 0:07:43.680 to the place that's not illegal. 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.600 He wasn't impeding it. He was filming it, which is 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.000 a legal thing to do in the United States. 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.400 And Dana, let's let's don't freeze frame adjudicate this now. 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.920 He was there for a reason, and that reason was 0:07:55.960 --> 0:08:00.480 to impede law enforcement. To you here, and here's a 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.800 good point, Dana, is the fact that de escalation techniques 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:09.119 were utilized during this action. Those de escalation techniques, whether 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.840 it was physically trying to remove them from that law 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.960 enforcement scene, that active law enforcement scene in which law enforcement. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.520 I wanted to include a little bit more there because 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:19.440 I feel like that's one of the few times we've 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:21.280 seen him not just able to deliver. 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.080 His right where someone's pushed a little Yeah exactly. 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:27.080 Yeah. Well, and there's a thing in the video that 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.560 I think is really effective where you know, you can 0:08:29.600 --> 0:08:32.120 hear him lying about the video and then the video 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.559 is playing next to it, and you can just see 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.400 what is happening, and then he's just saying shit. 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.079 Yeah, it's a good piece of a television news go. 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:43.600 So that's not the worst piece I've seen. Yea, him 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:46.880 saying they used the escalation techniques as you watch, half 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.160 a dozen guys makes him in the face and then 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:49.800 beat him. 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:50.400 Yeah. 0:08:50.800 --> 0:08:50.880 Is. 0:08:51.440 --> 0:08:53.440 I mean, there's this line I think a lot about 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:55.800 in chapter seven of nineteen eighty four, which was the 0:08:55.840 --> 0:08:58.120 party told you not to believe your eyes and ears. 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:01.760 It was their final most important command. I mean, I 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:03.360 don't if they sayn't that, then I don't know what 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:03.599 he is. 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:07.040 Yeah, I mean yeah, they don't even try to convincingly 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:08.079 lie at this point. 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:11.199 Like they just keep to the narrative that has been 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:11.960 set at the top. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:12.679 Yeah. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:14.199 Well not even in this case at the top. It 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:17.240 was kind of set at like the upper middle ycause 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.960 the top has been backing off from this narrative at 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:20.839 least a little bit. 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:22.880 We'll get to the kind of back and forth in 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:25.440 a sack. But I mean it's very clear from this 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:27.720 that they just consider blowing a whistle to be impeded, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:29.840 like that's that's all the justification that they need. 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:32.000 Stay considered his presence there. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:33.959 As long as you are physically presence there. 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.600 Yeah, anything you do that they don't like is assaulting 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.400 an officer at this point, Yes. 0:09:38.640 --> 0:09:39.920 It's kind of a minor point. 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.360 But also his pronunciation of gestapo. 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:44.480 He does that every time. 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:47.760 It's like, dude, we can we know, we know. Yeah, 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:50.120 it's like he's wearing that coat. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:55.480 He's wearing the come on and yeah, no, it's it's 0:09:55.520 --> 0:09:56.760 it's it's pretty insane. 0:09:56.840 --> 0:09:57.160 Yeah. 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.600 I love the articles that are like, no, he's just 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:04.120 wearing traditional old style military coat. It's not a stuff 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.760 foker guys. 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:10.679 Come on, man, I've seen a lot of Border patrol agents, guys. 0:10:10.920 --> 0:10:14.000 No one else wears that coat. He picked that coat 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:15.120 because of how it looks. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.480 Ye, to my knowledge, that's not a uniform piece for 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:18.280 the Border patrol. 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:21.120 Oh and he's never been in the military. Yeah you 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:25.040 know what he is and is a secret police unit anyway. Sorry, yeah, no, 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.600 I think it's it's worth eating that one. I want 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:32.160 to talk about this ACLU lawsuit, right So, in sworn testimonies, 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.120 which are part of this ongoing lawsuit, multiple witnesses said 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.520 pretty did not brandish or draw his handgun. 0:10:37.640 --> 0:10:38.120 Quote. 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.560 I have read a statement from DHS about what happened, 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.719 and it is wrong. The man did not approach the 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.880 agents with a gun. He approached him with a camera. 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:47.000 He was just trying to help a woman get up, 0:10:47.040 --> 0:10:48.360 and they took him to the ground. 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:54.680 One set. Another witness, a doctor, was prevented from performing CPR. Quote. 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.920 None of the ICE agents who were near the victim 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:00.280 were performing CPR, they said. Agents did mind did the 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:02.839 physician's license, which evidently they did not have right. They 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:05.719 just ran out of their house in their pajamas. Their 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.320 testimony continues, quote, I could tell the victim was in 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:12.120 critical condition. I insisted the ICE agents let me assess him. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.640 They appeared to be operating. Und the assumption that these 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.439 people ICE, some of them were CVP. I should just 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:19.720 say that. They also noted that agents quote appeared to 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:24.280 be counting his bullet wounds. Yeah, Jesus, there is video 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.000 that shows him doing bizarre things to his remains that 0:11:28.040 --> 0:11:30.679 are not within the remit of trauma care or first 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.880 to aid in my experience in training, which is pretty 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:37.679 significant when it comes to like this exact scenario. 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:41.000 The documents that released today, so that they placed the 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:42.640 chess seals on him. 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.120 They were placing chess seals on him. Yeah, that might 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:46.960 explain it. It looks like they're sort of pulling up on 0:11:47.000 --> 0:11:47.680 his shirt. 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:50.120 I mean, this whole again, this whole incident is very 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.520 very clearly documented. 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:53.400 With video multiple angles. 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.400 After the shooting, an agent is like on top of 0:11:56.400 --> 0:11:59.960 his body, screaming for scissors to cut off his clothing. Yeah, 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.679 and then later they placed chess seals. According to that 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:05.480 document that was released to Congress. 0:12:05.840 --> 0:12:07.800 Yeah, we have not to carry sciss in your first 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.400 day kit when you're outraualmushes, but mine equivalent, I guess. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.200 I mean, these guys don't know what they were doing. 0:12:13.400 --> 0:12:15.240 Yeah, yeah, exactly, that's the thing, right. 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:18.120 Bavina also noted in his press conference that the agents 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.240 were still at work, but they had been redeployed for 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:26.160 their safety. Outside of the Twin Cities. Following the shooting, 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.040 a vigil was held and there were protests, including some 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:34.200 armed presents. In the protests, Minneapolis Police Department attempted to 0:12:34.640 --> 0:12:38.280 hold the space, both to keep the vigil away and 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:40.600 the earlier that day they had refused to leave when 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.760 told to do so by federal police. Later that night, 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.720 they deployed extensive lesleithor munitions to clear the vigil. 0:12:49.440 --> 0:12:52.480 Let's go on ad break and then return to discuss 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.640 the back and forth characterization of the shooting from Trump's cabinet. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:08.920 We are back. 0:13:10.000 --> 0:13:13.920 The day after the shooting, Cash Pattel went on Fox 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.720 News to say that it is against the law to 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.120 bring a firearm to a protest. 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:20.600 Nope, here's a clip. 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:24.959 I guess Christy said, you cannot bring a firearm loaded 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.160 with multiple magazines to any sort of protests that you want. 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.440 It's that simple. You don't have that right to break 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:33.160 the law and incite violent That's wrong. 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.079 In Minnesota, it is not against the law for permit 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:38.719 holders to carry I firearm well attending a protest. And 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.360 it's arguable whether what Prattie was doing is even a 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:47.640 quote unquote attending a protest. These sorts of spontaneous mobilizations 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:51.800 against ICE are not like a formalized we are protesting 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:54.440 in this location at this point. It's not a protest rally. 0:13:54.840 --> 0:13:58.400 Its community mobilizations. The term of protest is going to 0:13:58.440 --> 0:14:00.000 be applied a little bit loosely. 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:00.840 Now. 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:04.920 The DJs statement three hours after the shooting made this 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.520 claim quote, this looks like a situation where an individual 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:13.240 wanted to do maximum damage and massacre law enforcement unquote. 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.240 This is the phrase that Bavino said verbato at the 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:21.880 press conference on Saturday following the shooting. Miller said something 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:26.040 similar on Twitter as he was tweeting at Democrat politicians. Quote, 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.640 it would be assassin tried to murder federal law enforcement 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:34.760 and a domestic terrorist tried to assassinate federal law enforcement. 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.440 Christyome also had a press conference the day of the 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:42.360 shooting where she said, quote, when you perpetuate violence against 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.840 a government because of ideological reasons and for reasons to 0:14:45.920 --> 0:14:50.880 resist and perpetuate violence, that is the definition of domestic terrorism. 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.800 This individual, who came with weapons and ammunition to stop 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:59.240 a law enforcement operation of federal law enforcement officers committed 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:05.840 an act domestic terrorism unquote. But by Monday, the White 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:11.000 House began softly backtracking previous detests claims about the shooting. 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:13.840 Press Secretary Carolyn Levit so that she has not heard 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.560 President Trump characterized pretty as a domestic terrorist. That same day, 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:22.400 Fox and Friends asked DOJ attorney Todd Blanche about whether 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:27.000 Preddy committed domestic terrorism, and he replied, like this, with. 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:30.240 All your respects ser My question is more pointed, do 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.360 you believe your colleagues may have gone farther? You are 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:37.480 an attorney at DOJ eighteen us CO twenty three thirty one. 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.760 It has a legal definition of domestic terrorism, and it 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:43.920 doesn't appear to most of the country that have watched 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.040 the available video. And we'll see if there's bodycam video. 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:48.480 I'd love to know if that's going to come out, 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:50.520 if there was such a thing, but it does not 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.760 appear to have met that definition of domestic terrorism. So 0:15:53.800 --> 0:15:56.680 I'm just sort of wondering how you in the DOJ 0:15:56.760 --> 0:15:59.400 are viewing whether your colleagues may have gone too far. 0:16:00.560 --> 0:16:03.440 Look, don't I don't think anybody thinks that they were 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.600 comparing what happened on Saturday to the legal definition of 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:11.239 domestic terrorism. What we saw was a very violent altercation, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:14.400 and I am not going to prejudge the facts. You're right, 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:16.440 there's a bunch of video that's out there. There's a 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:18.640 bunch of video that we haven't seen yet, in the 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.600 minutes leading up to what happened and in what happened afterwards. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.040 And you're right to the extent there's bodycam or other 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:29.480 videos that witnesses are still providing to us, So I'm 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.680 not describing it as anything except for a tragedy. 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:37.880 That's pretty pretty wild. Two days after Christina tried to 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.960 literally give a definition of domestic terrorism at a press 0:16:41.960 --> 0:16:45.200 conference and then dooj Attorney's just claiming, no, it's not 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:49.400 the real legal definition of domestic terrorism. Yeah, this word 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.920 is just a rhetorical tool for the administration to deploy 0:16:52.040 --> 0:16:52.440 at Well. 0:16:52.600 --> 0:16:55.320 Yeah, we just were using it because we killed a 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.600 guy and we wanted to shut down discussion. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:16:58.239 Yeah. 0:16:58.360 --> 0:16:58.760 Yeah. 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:01.680 And when we didn't stick landing because there were multiple 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.320 angles on video, now we got to find something else. 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:07.800 Yeah, and we just did this, like how many weeks 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:09.200 ago was the No. 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:14.520 I mean, this whole incident shows how vital documenting interactions 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:18.480 like this can be, and how much public opinion is 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:22.920 something that is not just fully fully dictated by administration statements, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.800 like they tried to deploy a narrative which, after enough 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:32.320 circulated documented footage contradicted public opinion of this incident formed 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.280 in pretty strong opposition to the administration's claims. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:37.440 Yeah. 0:17:37.680 --> 0:17:41.600 Yeah, this has penetrated into a lot of places that 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:47.920 are under ordinary circumstances either extremely apolitical or very conservative. Yeah, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.080 I am trying to remember, honestly, the last event that 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:54.960 I saw between this and twenty twenty, and like the 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:58.440 George Floyd uprising that had this kind of penetration into 0:17:58.520 --> 0:18:02.800 mainstream on political society. I remember one of the biggest 0:18:02.800 --> 0:18:06.240 things that I saw was this moment of oh, actually, 0:18:06.359 --> 0:18:08.760 this specific shooting has gone to a point where it's 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.000 reaching people who normally would never hear about this stuff. 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:15.320 Was There's an NFL commentary named Kurt Warner who used 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.160 to be very famous quarterback. The only thing he ever 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.240 talks about is quarterback play in football. This is the 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:24.200 only thing he ever does. I'm not one hundred percent 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:26.280 sure about this, but when I looked back, I couldn't 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.160 find him saying anything about George Floyd. And Kurt Warner 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:34.080 came out and gave a statement about how this shooting 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:37.400 was a horror and that the administration was lying about it. 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:42.160 And you saw this sort of rattling through again very 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:47.360 very conservative sports circles, which again this NFL circle specifically 0:18:47.400 --> 0:18:51.119 where this kind of stuff never really penetrates. This weekends, 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.680 you know, as as this sort of murder was happening, 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:58.159 the NFC and AFC Championship games were going on in 0:18:58.200 --> 0:19:00.359 the sort of immediate wake of this. And these for 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:02.040 people who don't follow FOOTBA at all, these are the 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.640 after the Super Bowl. These are this is the semifinals. 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.320 The winner of these two games goes to the Super Bowl. 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.320 These are the second most important games of the entire 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:16.120 NFL season, and fans at both of these games booed 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.320 the national anthem, a thing I have never heard of 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:25.280 before at a this is a football game. Yeah, that's wild. Yeah, right, 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:28.879 like the beginning of most football games, there's a bunch 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.359 of troops holding the flag and people. They didn't do 0:19:32.359 --> 0:19:35.280 this in twenty twenty. They were booing the national anthem. 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.280 So one of these games was being played in Denver 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:40.199 and the other one was being played in Seattle, And 0:19:40.240 --> 0:19:43.560 in the game in Seattle, the Fox broadcast kept cutting 0:19:43.560 --> 0:19:45.960 out the national anthem because people kept chanting fuck Ice, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.040 So they would just literally be cutting the audio anytime 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.320 that happened. And this just kept happening to the entire 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:53.480 course of this. I have never seen anything like this 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:59.320 breakthrough into sports like this. It's been breaking into There's 0:19:59.320 --> 0:20:01.560 a whole bunch of story about just random groups on 0:20:01.600 --> 0:20:04.240 a reddit, we're sort of breaking through into where you're 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.720 getting statements from like, oh god, I wish I remember 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:09.560 who on Blue Guys saw this from, but the person 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:13.200 who runs the subreddit where that's like playing your cat's 0:20:13.200 --> 0:20:14.879 butt like bongo drums. 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.280 This. Yeah, I'm glad they finally spoke up. Honestly, you know. 0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:24.800 We've all been waiting, but like I saw this in 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:30.000 spaces where we're like like climbing forums or climbing subreddits, like. 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:32.760 No, because they just shot a nurse in the head. 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:35.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.320 This is the second time they did it. And the 0:20:37.400 --> 0:20:39.640 thing to me that I think is really significant about 0:20:39.640 --> 0:20:42.840 this happening at NFL games, Right, one of the two 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.560 teams that was playing in the game in Denver is 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:48.800 the New England Patriots. Right, the New England Patriots are 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.320 famously very very close to Trump as an organization, their 0:20:52.359 --> 0:20:55.280 owner is very close to Trump. So I had remembered 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:57.720 a story from last year about so the Patriots have 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:00.440 a jet that is the Patriots Jet that they fly 0:21:00.520 --> 0:21:03.959 all their players around in that is has giant letters 0:21:04.080 --> 0:21:07.480 the Patriots on it, that is technically run through a 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.760 charter company. But you know, I remember last year there's 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:11.800 a story about how their jet was doing flights to 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:12.840 Guantanamo Bay. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.840 Sure that makes sense for the Patriots yet, yeah, yeah. 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:17.919 Yeah, right. This is the kind of organizations that we're 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:19.840 dealing with here, right. And while I was looking into 0:21:19.880 --> 0:21:22.159 the story about the Patriots jet being used to do 0:21:22.240 --> 0:21:26.440 things to move apparently not detainees to g but apparently 0:21:26.480 --> 0:21:29.360 just military people on supplies, which they do a lot, 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:33.359 I found a completely unrelated story about a different Patriots 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:37.040 jet in during the Biden administration doing deportation flights to Hunduras. 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:40.560 And this isn't considered an ideological thing. Oh, that's just funny, 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.320 Like this is the kind of conservatism you're dealing Yeah, 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:44.760 you know, And I mean this is technically it's the 0:21:44.760 --> 0:21:47.159 contractors you're doing this, but you know, it's it's the 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:48.960 plan with the Patriots logo on it. And they were 0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:52.840 doing deportation flights under Biden like four years three or 0:21:52.840 --> 0:21:56.480 four years ago. And now people are booing the national 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.040 anthem enchanting fuck ice. A lot of the stuff that 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.359 we've talked about and we're going to talk about about 0:22:02.560 --> 0:22:04.600 the way the Trump administration has been backing off of 0:22:04.640 --> 0:22:07.440 this is because they have been forced to watch the 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:11.080 entire country go, holy shit, you just murdered this guy 0:22:11.320 --> 0:22:14.040 and then lied about it. You just executed him in 0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:15.119 the street, yeah, and light about it. 0:22:15.200 --> 0:22:15.400 Yeah. 0:22:15.440 --> 0:22:17.200 I think the lying and you can just see them. 0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:19.639 And this is also the second time they've done this 0:22:20.040 --> 0:22:21.199 in a couple of weeks. 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.000 Like the lying thing is, like I think for a 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:26.920 lot of people, that's the really insulting thing. It's obviously 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:29.800 a tragedy to have someone be killed by federal law 0:22:29.880 --> 0:22:33.240 enforcement like this. Yeah, but it's just the blatantness of 0:22:33.280 --> 0:22:36.000 the lying, I think is what really activated people here. 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.239 Yeah, because this is for years they've skirted by on 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.840 the situations like the written house thing where you can 0:22:42.920 --> 0:22:46.520 kind of see what happens, but depending on what you 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:50.440 bring into it ideologically, that can look like two different things, right, 0:22:50.920 --> 0:22:53.960 depending on where whether you think those protesters are dangerous 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.040 or not or whatever like that. That's a video that 0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.720 like everyone saw the same video and took something different 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:01.440 out of it. Yeah, that's not the case with this video, 0:23:01.520 --> 0:23:04.840 or really with the Renee Good video for most people, 0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.440 and it's really jarring for them, most people who were 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:10.240 not political, because that's what we're talking about is like 0:23:10.400 --> 0:23:12.320 the sheer number of people who do not normally wait 0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:14.560 into this stuff or were making a comment. They would 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:17.399 see one of these videos that is much more like 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:19.760 if you're just kind of coming in and watching it, 0:23:19.760 --> 0:23:22.080 it's kind of unclear what's happening, and they would go, oh, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:24.080 it's another big com I'm just not going to get 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:26.159 involved with it. People are arguing about what this is. 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:28.600 Let them argue, I'm going to go on with my life. 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:32.280 This is very clear what's happening, very clear that they're lying, 0:23:32.359 --> 0:23:35.120 and it's just upsetting. It's deeply upsetting to even people 0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:36.840 who don't normally think about this shit. 0:23:37.200 --> 0:23:39.320 Yeah, and I think part of that too is also 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:41.480 you know, there were a lot of people who didn't 0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.080 get involved with the Renee Good shooting because you know, 0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:47.280 even then people were still like, oh, well, maybe it's complicated. 0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:51.600 But once you've seen the second shooting in two weeks, 0:23:51.840 --> 0:23:54.520 where the line from the administration is exactly the same 0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.480 and you have video images again, Yeah, that's how you 0:23:57.520 --> 0:23:59.440 get someone like Kurt Warner, who is a faith family 0:23:59.480 --> 0:24:01.760 football guy. He's very open about being a Christian, is 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.360 very open about he doesn't talk about politics, but he's 0:24:05.440 --> 0:24:07.840 very obviously conservative in a way that he doesn't think 0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:10.240 is political. Yeah, and he looks at this and goes, 0:24:10.320 --> 0:24:12.520 holy shit, they murdered this guy and the government's lying 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:15.000 about it. And that's a kind of breakthrough moment in 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:15.520 all of this. 0:24:16.160 --> 0:24:20.119 I've seen a lot of stuff from like folks in 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:24.000 the gun community, like who you wouldn't normally expect to 0:24:24.000 --> 0:24:27.080 be critical of the Trump administration being critical, Yeah, because 0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.800 the Trump administration has come out with just like insane 0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.160 they're repeating like anti Second Amendment talking points. 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:34.720 Yep. 0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:37.480 I also saw his name is Tony Thomas, but he 0:24:37.560 --> 0:24:41.280 was previously the commander of Special Operations Command, right, has 0:24:41.320 --> 0:24:46.040 been sharing and unfortunately AI quote unquote enhanced photo of 0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:46.720 the shooting. 0:24:47.000 --> 0:24:47.480 God. 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:51.399 Yeah, that I need to talk a little bit about there, 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:52.320 but please continue. 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.679 Yeah, it's remarkable that you've got someone whose job has 0:24:55.720 --> 0:24:58.280 been killing people for the United States government, right, who've 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.080 retired to a role in an investment back. It doesn't 0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:06.159 normally make statements in public about immigration policy, but like, again, 0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:09.239 this one is kind of broken containment, right, Like they 0:25:09.280 --> 0:25:11.719 saw the police shoot a man in the back multiple 0:25:11.800 --> 0:25:16.399 times in broad daylight from multiple angles, and Yeah, this 0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:18.400 one's been really hard for them, just been. 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:19.320 Yeah. 0:25:19.560 --> 0:25:21.040 One of the things that you know, when you talk 0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:23.240 about sort of Reddit as a sighte of this, right, 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:24.920 one of the things on the front page a Reddit 0:25:25.000 --> 0:25:27.640 for a while that day was just a thing from 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.600 like r slash pics where it's a picture of a 0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:32.919 frame in this shooting and then it's a picture of 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.399 a Nazi officer with a gun to the back of 0:25:36.480 --> 0:25:38.440 the head of a prisoner they're about to shoot, and 0:25:38.480 --> 0:25:41.000 it's almost identical frame for frame, And that's the kind 0:25:41.040 --> 0:25:42.920 of thing that's just going around on like the front 0:25:42.920 --> 0:25:43.639 page of Reddit. 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:45.520 Yeah, part of what I think is happening here is 0:25:45.560 --> 0:25:47.240 they got very convinced that their ability to kind of 0:25:47.240 --> 0:25:50.960 just brute force their own reality over what actually happened, 0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:53.879 and m maybe they gambled too hard. 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.640 Yeah, So much of this story is like the ultimate 0:25:56.680 --> 0:26:00.840 conservative nightmare of the government, like physically disarming you, executing you, 0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:03.919 and that sequence of events is I think also in 0:26:03.960 --> 0:26:07.240 part what has created this pretty consistent turnaway from the 0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.879 Trump administrations and the DHS. It's like initial statement on 0:26:11.040 --> 0:26:14.600 what happened here, which the administrations themselves have started to 0:26:15.119 --> 0:26:18.919 roll back on after the public rejected this claim that 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.040 they kept making on him being like a terrorist, him 0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:24.040 intending to mastercre law enforcement, all these things that they 0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:27.919 have no way to actually prove. On Tuesday, Stephen Miller 0:26:28.240 --> 0:26:32.120 told CNN that they are quote evaluating why the CBP 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:36.080 team may not have been following White House approved protocol 0:26:36.760 --> 0:26:39.439 and that the initial statement from DHS following the shooting 0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:44.359 was quote based on reports from CBP on the ground unquote. 0:26:45.000 --> 0:26:48.800 On Wednesday, the DHS spokespersent TRITICHA McLoughlin repeated this claim 0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:50.359 on Fox Business. 0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:55.400 A Secretary Nome accused Alex Prette of being a domestic terrorist. 0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.680 Is the administration standing by that language? 0:26:59.200 --> 0:27:03.080 So initial statements were made after reports from CBP on 0:27:03.119 --> 0:27:06.159 the ground that was a very chaotic scene. We know 0:27:06.240 --> 0:27:10.080 that our ice law enforcement are facing rampant violence against them, 0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.800 a highly coordinated campaign. So that is why this investigation 0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:17.639 is so important so we can get accurate facts to 0:27:17.720 --> 0:27:18.600 the American people. 0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:23.720 Trump has denied that Preddi was acting as an assassin 0:27:24.200 --> 0:27:27.159 and has called the shooting a quote unquote very unfortunate incident, 0:27:27.560 --> 0:27:30.040 But he has continued to say that Preddy should not 0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:31.600 have been carrying a gun. 0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:35.240 Quote. You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns, 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:37.000 you just can't unquote. 0:27:37.160 --> 0:27:41.560 Yeah, the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus has been pretty impressive. Yeah, 0:27:41.640 --> 0:27:46.160 I'll say that, Like generally, right, like, especially organized gun 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.239 owner groups in the United States tend to align very 0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:52.199 heavily with conservative politics. They have been like reinforcing that 0:27:52.240 --> 0:27:54.320 what pretty was doing was in no way legal. It 0:27:54.359 --> 0:27:55.879 should no way need to you being killed. 0:27:56.480 --> 0:27:57.440 Yeah. 0:27:57.680 --> 0:28:00.520 As of Wednesday, we do know now that the Border 0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:03.600 Patrol agents involved in the killing of Alex Preddy have 0:28:03.720 --> 0:28:08.719 been placed on administrative leave. Around January twenty sixth, Trump 0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:12.359 struck some kind of deal with local officials, namely Mayor 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:16.159 Frey and Governor Tim Walls. Local officials have said that 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:22.000 quote unquote some federal agents would begin leaving Minnesota. Bonvino 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.760 is expected to return to California, with The Atlantic reporting 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.000 that he's been stripped of his quote unquote Commander at 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.639 Large title and has been locked out of government social 0:28:32.680 --> 0:28:36.560 media accounts. Tom Homan has arrived in Minneapolis to take 0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:41.080 over immigration enforcement operations, and local Minnesota law enforcement have 0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:44.880 ramped up their policing of protests, especially outside of hotels 0:28:44.960 --> 0:28:48.120 where ICE and Border Patrol agents have been staying. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:50.720 And it's important to note as as you're seeing a 0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.600 lot of stories about sort of ICE pulling out of 0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:57.200 Minneapolis and you know, an administration roll back because of 0:28:57.240 --> 0:29:00.600 the sort of Bovino movement. Everyone that I have talked 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.760 to in Minneapolis, and this is a fairly large number 0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:05.920 of people, have all told me that everything on the 0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.280 ground remains the same. The raids are continuing, and they 0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.440 want to make sure that everyone understands that the raids 0:29:11.440 --> 0:29:14.680 are continuing and that the same kinds of things that 0:29:15.240 --> 0:29:17.920 ICE in the Border Patrol have been doing up until 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.320 this point are continuing to happen under I guess quote 0:29:21.400 --> 0:29:22.400 unquote new management. 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:23.120 Yeah. 0:29:23.160 --> 0:29:26.240 I think they may have withdrawn some Border Patrol agents, right, 0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.040 but the bulk of the people they deployed were actually 0:29:29.120 --> 0:29:32.840 ICE agents. They to my knowledge, have not been withdrawn home. 0:29:32.920 --> 0:29:37.080 And it is not exactly a like a liberal figure 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.640 when it comes to deportation. To build it mildly, it 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.560 might be like a change in the outward appearance that 0:29:42.680 --> 0:29:43.880 the practice of what's going. 0:29:43.720 --> 0:29:44.760 On that has not changed. 0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:47.800 Do we want to just have any kind of final 0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:51.960 discussion on that AI enhanced image that's been circulating. 0:29:52.440 --> 0:29:55.080 Yeah, Yeah, So I mean there's an AI enhanced image, 0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:57.480 and this is when I posted this. I've seen people 0:29:57.640 --> 0:30:00.760 comment that like, oh, it's more disinformation from the fascist. 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:03.480 This is the opposite of that. Yeah, someone AI enhanced 0:30:04.040 --> 0:30:06.720 a still frame from the video because there's a question 0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.440 as to whether or not when one of the ICE 0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:12.720 agents disarmed Preddy, did he actit negligently discharge his firearm 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.880 into the ground, and did that maybe spook them and 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:18.320 cause the remaining chain of events. I don't think it's clear, 0:30:18.680 --> 0:30:21.040 And the video is not super clear as to whether 0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.040 or not the gun is firing. It's kind of grainy. 0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:24.160 Yeah, we don't know that yet. 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:27.720 So and like the new AI enhanced version, you literally 0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.080 see like a tongue of fire coming out of the 0:30:30.120 --> 0:30:33.400 barrel of the gun and then a full round of 0:30:33.480 --> 0:30:35.920 five to five six seems to be exiting. 0:30:37.480 --> 0:30:39.840 Well, like with the casing, let's just make shit up. 0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.600 It looks like it has the casing. It looks not 0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.360 like a firing gun looks And the text on this 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:48.520 is this is from the AI info twitter account. An 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.960 enhanced video of a man who disarmed Alex Preddy shows 0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:53.880 the show's gun allegedly misfiring. His ICE agent runs with it. 0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:55.760 Which has also been said to have spooked other agents 0:30:55.800 --> 0:30:59.040 into firing. AI video also enhances the visuals of the bullets. 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.080 It would be clearly visit to the human eye. 0:31:01.240 --> 0:31:03.520 It's like, I didn't hit shit, you had to fight you. 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:05.760 You had the digital quivalent of a five year old 0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:07.120 scribbling on it. 0:31:07.280 --> 0:31:08.880 And you know, I don't know, Maybe I guess this 0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:10.960 could be them trying to be like, oh, it wasn't 0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.360 the federal agent's fault. It's those damn sig P three 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:17.480 twenties that spooked everybody. Yeah, it's it's. 0:31:17.360 --> 0:31:18.000 Like number one. 0:31:18.200 --> 0:31:21.840 AI can't enhance, yeah things, nothing can enhance a photo 0:31:21.920 --> 0:31:24.240 that's not a thing that's real. You can't just like 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.760 add details to a photo that weren't in in a 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:30.479 way that's different from just photos shopping them in. And 0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:34.080 that's what AI did. Someone said, add visuals of a bullet, 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:36.800 and they did, and it's bad. It looks like a 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.440 fucking sparkler is stuck in the end of a handgun. Yeah, 0:31:39.800 --> 0:31:42.640 but yeah, it's just shit like this. That's just going 0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:47.600 to be everything, Like every clash, every murder, every controversial 0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:50.880 thing that happens, there's immediately going to be a bunch 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:54.280 of different AI slot videos and analysis, and what scares 0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.600 me most or not even scares me. What I think 0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:58.880 is the biggest problem isn't even just the straight up 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:02.080 disinfo video. It's the stuff where people are claiming, look, 0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.880 I did some research using this AI and it revealed 0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:07.640 this thing that isn't immediately visible to the naked eye, 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:09.880 but this is clearly what really went on. Yeah, and 0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:13.960 how that's going to supercharge fucking conspiracy theories about stuff, 0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:15.800 and how the response when people are like, but the 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.720 AI didn't enhance anything, will just be like, you're not 0:32:18.760 --> 0:32:22.520 smarter than an AI, you don't know, Like that's that's 0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.440 the kind of thing where it's just got to be annoying, 0:32:25.000 --> 0:32:28.640 Like the truth ecosystem is already so damaged. I certainly 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.720 wouldn't say that this is going to definitely make everything worse, 0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.480 but it's going to make everything more annoying. 0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:36.000 Yeah. 0:32:36.120 --> 0:32:38.720 Yeah, I don't think I've seen this image that you 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:40.520 were talking about, but I've seen a whole bunch of 0:32:40.560 --> 0:32:45.000 other like AI enhanced images of the shooting. It's specifically 0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:47.280 like the moment where where or like around the time 0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:50.440 that the agents are firing into the back of pretty 0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:54.280 and it's mostly like AI sharpened images, but taken to 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:58.120 such an extreme extent that literally one of the heads 0:32:58.320 --> 0:33:00.680 of the border patrol agents is just missing. 0:33:01.280 --> 0:33:04.280 You know what. I wouldn't call that enhanced, but I'd 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:05.480 say it's an improvement. 0:33:06.840 --> 0:33:08.160 You have to like kind of like look for it 0:33:08.160 --> 0:33:10.440 because because of how much movement is in the night, 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:14.120 of course, but I've seen I've seen this the AI 0:33:14.240 --> 0:33:17.440 hnts like like still from the Pink Jacket. 0:33:17.120 --> 0:33:19.520 Lady of the shooting. 0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.400 I've seen this image spread all around by people showing 0:33:23.520 --> 0:33:26.719 like how how like brutal this looks, and it you 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:30.640 don't need to spread this AI sharpened version with the 0:33:31.000 --> 0:33:33.320 with that with the head missing, like there is like 0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:36.480 regular skills that maybe are a little bit more fuzzy, 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.400 but they actually are are real. And you've seen a 0:33:39.400 --> 0:33:44.320 few other like AI altered images spreading around around this shooting. Specifically, 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:47.560 there's been like AI altered images of Alex pretty that 0:33:47.680 --> 0:33:50.760 like slightly changes his like facial proportions that have been 0:33:51.200 --> 0:33:53.800 used at some like memorials have been have been spreading 0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.560 on the Internet, and that sort of stuff has been 0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:01.280 incredibly frustrating just to see the sort of proliferation of 0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:03.840 these of these AI images into like the news cycle. 0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.560 I shared the enhanced image. 0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:07.600 That looks really bad. 0:34:07.720 --> 0:34:08.560 It's really bad. 0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:10.000 That's like, that's like. 0:34:10.360 --> 0:34:11.319 Wow, I've not seen that. 0:34:11.520 --> 0:34:15.080 Yeah, it's like a kindergartender. It's unreal. You don't need 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:16.440 to do this like that. People that have seen the 0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.279 footage knows what happened. You don't need to spread these 0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.279 fake images like public opinion is already formed on this. 0:34:21.480 --> 0:34:21.920 Yeah. 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:23.799 Well, we'll go on ad break again, but I think 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:26.480 to close this section, I'll I'll play the short clip 0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:32.080 from the Minnesota timber Wolves game, which is which is 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:35.600 a basketball game, I believe, Yeah, which they held a 0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:40.160 moment of silence for pretty and people chanted Towards the end, 0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:43.560 I'll shorten the moment of silence for the audience, but 0:34:43.840 --> 0:34:45.240 you can take a listen. 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.720 Here are the traffic laws of Alex Purty that occurred 0:34:48.800 --> 0:34:53.560 yesterday in Minneapolis. We extend our love, support, and Heartfield's 0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:57.680 sympathies to Alex's family friend in our community during this 0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:02.240 difficult time. Please join in honoring the life and memory 0:35:02.320 --> 0:35:04.960 of Alex Pritty with a moment of silence. 0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:27.400 All right, we're back. 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:32.760 After the shooting on Saturday, Chuck Schumer said that Senate 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:37.520 Democrats would not be advancing a House approved appropriations bill 0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.880 with the currently included DHS funding Right now, the Senate 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:45.440 is considering a six bill spending package that was narrowly 0:35:45.440 --> 0:35:48.439 approved by the House thanks to seven Democrats, and now 0:35:48.600 --> 0:35:52.200 Senate Deems are seeking to separate out the DHS bill 0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:56.560 and advance the five others. These six annual spending bills 0:35:56.560 --> 0:35:59.719 are set to expire on January thirty first. If at 0:35:59.760 --> 0:36:03.080 least some Democrats don't sign on to the bills by Friday, 0:36:03.360 --> 0:36:07.200 there will be a partial government shutdown on Wednesday. Schumer reiterated, 0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.960 quote until ICE is properly rained in and overhauled legislatively, 0:36:12.360 --> 0:36:15.840 the DHS funding bill doesn't have the votes to pass 0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:21.160 the Senate unquote. Possible immigration enforcement concessions that Democrats are 0:36:21.200 --> 0:36:25.400 pushing for include, but are not limited to, independent investigations 0:36:25.400 --> 0:36:29.720 into the recent shootings, mandating judicial warrants for immigration arrests, 0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:35.120 mandating body cams, requiring agent identification, no masks, no arrest quotas, 0:36:35.360 --> 0:36:39.560 no roving patrols, and restricting border patrol agents to the 0:36:39.760 --> 0:36:40.440 US border. 0:36:41.160 --> 0:36:43.960 Yeah, so I want to address I've actually addressed the 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.840 roving patrols before, and that the evidence standards for stops 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.400 on those patrols. I'm not going to do that, but 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:52.200 I do want to address this last one right with 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:55.920 the quote unquote US border god. So, in the statute, 0:36:55.960 --> 0:36:59.800 border patrol is supposed to operate within a reasonable distance 0:37:00.080 --> 0:37:02.759 the United States border, which they interpret to be a 0:37:02.840 --> 0:37:06.600 one hundred mile distance. Now, when you are thinking of border, 0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.839 you might be thinking of land borders, but remember this 0:37:08.880 --> 0:37:12.880 also includes ocean borders. They interpret the Great Lakes to 0:37:12.960 --> 0:37:16.880 be international waterways, and thus it begins one hundred miles 0:37:16.920 --> 0:37:20.319 from the shore of the Great Lakes. For context, that 0:37:20.320 --> 0:37:24.319 still doesn't get you into Minneapolis, right, You're looking at 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.400 a bit further. One hundred and fifty miles was the 0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.960 shortest line I could draw on a map. People seem 0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:33.879 to be operating under the misapprehension that this includes airports, 0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.520 and it does not, And I keep seeing this repeated online, 0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.240 and then people keep telling me the statue is actually 0:37:40.360 --> 0:37:43.200 very clear on what does and does not constitute a border, 0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.400 and it's talked about external borders and airports are not 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.759 included in this Border patrol does not operate within one 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:53.040 hundred mile radius of every international airport in the United States. 0:37:53.800 --> 0:37:56.839 Really unclear if Democrats will be able to get some 0:37:56.880 --> 0:38:00.200 of these things. Yeah, Obviously pushing for more training has 0:38:00.200 --> 0:38:03.520 its limits. The people involved in the shooting had years 0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:06.439 and years of training and gave the training. In some case, 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.120 they were doing what they were trained to do. Yeah, 0:38:09.160 --> 0:38:12.360 but there's other stuff in here, like like mandating body cams, 0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:16.520 which though Border Patrol currently has body cams. ICE in 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:18.800 Border Patrol they have body cams, they're not required to 0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:21.120 always have them on. This will be seeking to change that. 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:25.759 Other things like requiring the identification of agents deployed, not 0:38:25.880 --> 0:38:30.480 wearing masks, not having arrest quotas. These would significantly change 0:38:30.520 --> 0:38:33.520 the way that ICE operates on the ground. Possibly the 0:38:33.520 --> 0:38:37.480 most important thing that they are seeking here is the 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.120 emphasis on judicial wards as opposed to this administrative warrant 0:38:41.680 --> 0:38:44.879 that ICE has been using as its primary justification the 0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:45.640 past few months. 0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.160 I think we should refer to those I've been called 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.320 the administry of warrants. I think a better I guess 0:38:50.400 --> 0:38:52.839 down to use is the Form two fifteen, because that's 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.080 what it is. It's a form that they filled out 0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:58.600 right like, it's not a warrant in any meaningful sense 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:00.799 of the word yeah. But yeah, just noting that because 0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:02.760 that's a change I'm going to be trying to implement 0:39:02.760 --> 0:39:03.720 in my work going forward. 0:39:04.239 --> 0:39:07.120 The last Minneapolis related story for this episode, which is 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:11.200 mostly Minneapolis episode I Guess Yeah, is based on a 0:39:11.320 --> 0:39:15.000 CNN report that has claimed that federal agents encountered Alex 0:39:15.040 --> 0:39:19.040 Pretty a week prior to killing him. Pretty is said 0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.160 to have been driving and stopped his car when he 0:39:21.239 --> 0:39:23.160 witnessed ICE agents chasing a. 0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:24.040 Family on foot. 0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:27.680 Pretty began shouting and blowing a whistle before agents tackled 0:39:27.680 --> 0:39:30.759 Pretty and broke one of his ribs. Party was later 0:39:30.800 --> 0:39:33.600 released on the scene. DHS has told CNN that they 0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:36.240 have no record of this incident, though an anonymous source 0:39:36.280 --> 0:39:40.040 told CNN that Pretty was a known and identified protester 0:39:40.280 --> 0:39:45.880 to federal officials on the ground, quoting CNN quote. Earlier 0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.440 this month, the DHS official in Minneapolis sent a memo 0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.720 to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations officers assigned 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.360 to the state on a temporary duty, asking them to 0:39:55.480 --> 0:39:59.960 use a form to input information on protesters and agitate. 0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:03.879 It is unclear whether the new intake form was used 0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:07.040 to share Pretty's information. It's also not clear whether federal 0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:10.440 agents who encountered Pretty on Saturday recognized him before they 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:11.200 confronted him. 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:17.000 Yeah, it's definitely HSI that has been doing the federal 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:21.239 stuff that involves citizens, I guess, right, like when they 0:40:21.239 --> 0:40:23.800 are investigating and detaining people. I know Pam Bondi is 0:40:23.840 --> 0:40:27.359 there today again and it has posted pictures of people 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.279 who are detained with HSI officers, which is not a 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:35.800 usual thing to do. But yeah, HSI, for whatever reason, 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:40.120 they're kind of using as their like surrogate FBI in 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:41.279 these instances. 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.480 Jason, you can also speak on the sort of like 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:49.560 surveillance of protesters quote unquote agitators that Feds have been 0:40:49.600 --> 0:40:51.879 doing on the ground based on what you saw in Minneapolis. 0:40:52.160 --> 0:40:53.600 Yeah, that's thank you, Gay. Yeah. 0:40:53.600 --> 0:40:55.520 So, like I was at the Whipple Building, right, the 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.080 Whipple Building being the federal building in Minneapolis where they 0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:00.759 are taking people who are being detained and where ICE 0:41:00.800 --> 0:41:03.360 and CBP are deploying out of every day, right. I 0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:05.280 would say that because there was a protest on Friday 0:41:05.320 --> 0:41:08.560 as part of a general strike and I noticed they 0:41:08.640 --> 0:41:11.920 look like CBPO ICE right then they had like what 0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:14.160 I would describe with tactical helmets and gear on, but 0:41:14.400 --> 0:41:19.200 using DSLR cameras to take pictures of people protesting. They 0:41:19.200 --> 0:41:21.680 were in vehicles and they were shooting. I can't remember 0:41:21.719 --> 0:41:23.759 they had the door or the window to allow them 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:27.200 to take photographs. But I noticed, like that is an 0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:31.320 effort at surveillance, right, It is not unreasonable. I know, Garrison, 0:41:31.320 --> 0:41:33.719 you also have this video which happened in Maine, right 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.000 of an agent more or less saying this, But it's 0:41:36.040 --> 0:41:39.040 not unreasonable to think that there is surveillance of people 0:41:39.040 --> 0:41:41.759 who are engaging in First Amendment protected activities. 0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:45.840 Yes, and there has been some desire among ice officials, 0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:48.279 including Tom Hollman, who went on Fox News earlier this 0:41:48.320 --> 0:41:51.640 month to say that he's pushing for a database quote 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.480 where those people that are arrested for interference, impeding, and 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.520 assault were going to make them famous unquote. So this 0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:00.839 news that Alex Preddy had been preview identified in some 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:05.600 way by federal law enforcement follows an incident last Friday 0:42:05.920 --> 0:42:09.640 where a federal agent in Maine photographed a legal observer's 0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:12.840 car and said, quote, we have a nice little database, 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.280 and you're now considered a domestic terrorist. 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:16.440 I'll play this clip here. 0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:18.440 It's not illegal to record. 0:42:19.719 --> 0:42:20.160 Exactly. 0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:21.520 Yeah, that's what we're doing. 0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:23.920 Yeah, why are you taking my information down because we 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.319 have a nice little database. Oh good, and now you're 0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.720 considered domestic terrorists. 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:33.520 Were videotaping you? Are you crazy? 0:42:35.960 --> 0:42:39.080 Georgia McLaughlin has told CNN that there is quote no 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:43.080 database of quote unquote domestic terrorists run by the Department 0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:45.239 of Homeland Security unquote. 0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:45.920 Yeah. 0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:48.439 I want to say something about this main video, which 0:42:48.480 --> 0:42:50.440 is that I've been seeing a lot of people circulating 0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:54.320 this is Oh, there's new repression tactics happening here. They're 0:42:54.320 --> 0:42:56.400 going to show up to people's houses. This has been happening. 0:42:57.000 --> 0:42:58.960 I mean, I know it was happening in Chicago. It 0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:01.839 probably was happening in la I just don't remember off 0:43:01.840 --> 0:43:04.000 the top of my head. But the stuff that's happening 0:43:04.160 --> 0:43:06.560 here where these people take pictures of your face is 0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:08.359 not new at all. It's not some kind of new 0:43:08.400 --> 0:43:12.319 innovation in these repression tactics. Like, obviously be careful, but 0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:15.719 this is not a reason that everyone suddenly needs to 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:18.040 be afraid that there's like a giant crackdown coming. They've 0:43:18.080 --> 0:43:20.120 been doing this the whole time, and so far it 0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:24.360 really hasn't Like it sucks, but it hasn't stopped Minneapolis, 0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:25.320 hasn't stopped Chicago. 0:43:25.760 --> 0:43:28.960 No, they're trying to intimidate you stop doing this, Like 0:43:29.000 --> 0:43:32.160 that is the point of this agent walking by and 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.040 joking about how you're now a domestic terrorist. Yeah, because 0:43:35.040 --> 0:43:37.400 that's not actually real. That is a way to scare 0:43:37.480 --> 0:43:40.880 you into not showing up the U based on the 0:43:40.880 --> 0:43:43.080 idea that if you do, they'll take a picture of 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.840 you and now you get added to this domestic terrorist database. 0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:46.200 Yeah. 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:49.800 Is it possible that they're making like some kind of 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.279 catalog of pictures of protesters that they can maybe use 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.480 for reference in the future to build a case against someone, 0:43:56.680 --> 0:43:58.319 or if they arrest someone, they can look to see 0:43:58.320 --> 0:44:01.360 if they've been at previous protests. No, that's not impossible. 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.319 That is something that they've been doing for quite a while. 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:07.080 It's sudden that anti fascists to do against like Proud 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:08.840 Boys back in the day, where you just document a 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:11.680 lot of people at a protest and then maybe eventually 0:44:11.680 --> 0:44:15.319 the information will become useful. Right, That is not like surprising, 0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:18.600 but like I've seen some pretty outrageous claims going viral 0:44:18.640 --> 0:44:22.440 that like after Preddy had this encounter with law enforcement 0:44:22.440 --> 0:44:24.839 previously where they broke his rib that Preddy was then 0:44:24.880 --> 0:44:28.400 specifically targeted in the following weeks, Like, there is no 0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:29.120 information for that. 0:44:29.200 --> 0:44:30.759 Yeah, we have no evidence to prove that. 0:44:30.800 --> 0:44:33.960 There's no information that this database led to him being 0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:36.880 intentionally targeted by federal agents on the ground, that is 0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.560 just speculation at this point. Yeah, there's no evidence of that, 0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:41.680 and there's no evidence that this is like a new 0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.040 kind of campaigna repression. And I want to be very 0:44:44.040 --> 0:44:47.640 clear about this. If you are spreading this as a 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:49.919 you need to be afraid now because there's a new 0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.480 thing that's happening. You are doing their job. You are 0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:56.160 spreading the fear that this is an intimidation that this 0:44:56.239 --> 0:44:58.239 is designed to do, so please stop doing this. 0:44:58.920 --> 0:45:01.759 Yeah, I think, like I understand that for a lot 0:45:01.760 --> 0:45:06.160 of people, any form of activism is very new and 0:45:06.480 --> 0:45:10.560 everything seems scary. But this is one of those times 0:45:10.600 --> 0:45:13.279 when you need to check what you're doing because as 0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:15.440 Mia said, right, this has the legal term is a 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:19.000 chilling effect. Right, Like the government generally courts a fan, 0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.759 the government should should not do things that have a 0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.239 chilling effect on first Amendment protected to speak. That's absolutely 0:45:25.640 --> 0:45:28.319 what the government is trying to do. You don't have 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:30.720 to help them or not the government, but that particular agent, 0:45:30.760 --> 0:45:34.000 I should say, acting at work, saying he's building a database, right, 0:45:34.040 --> 0:45:35.640 that is what that is trying to do is to 0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:36.480 have a chilling effect. 0:45:36.560 --> 0:45:38.560 Well, I mean I would argue the government's also doing this, 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:42.200 you know, calling every legal observer domesti terrorists. 0:45:42.239 --> 0:45:44.520 Right, yeah, I guess, yeah, fair enough. 0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.279 So we should mention this just so we don't leave 0:45:48.280 --> 0:45:49.919 it out. Although we don't have a ton to say 0:45:49.920 --> 0:45:53.040 at the moment about this, but like the day before 0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.200 we recorded this, on the twenty seventh of January, I 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.840 believe Elan Omar was doing a town hall in Minneapolis 0:46:00.200 --> 0:46:05.080 where she is a representative, and was assaulted by a 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:08.160 man named Anthony James kashmir Zak, who was a fifty 0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.120 five year old. He was carrying what looked like a 0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:14.040 syringe but without a needle, just like a like a 0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.279 large syringe, like the kind you'd used to like give 0:46:16.320 --> 0:46:17.960 medicine to an animal or something. 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.759 Yeah, an irrigation syringe, right, and it. 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:24.520 Was filled with some kind of off brownish yellow liquid. 0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:26.880 I don't think we know what it was. It apparently 0:46:26.960 --> 0:46:30.640 was foul smelling, obviously, and he ran up screaming you 0:46:30.760 --> 0:46:33.440 must resign, and sprayed some of it at her. I 0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:36.120 don't know how much God on her. He was tackled 0:46:36.200 --> 0:46:39.360 very quickly by a security guard. Omar seemed to be 0:46:39.400 --> 0:46:43.160 squaring up and ready to fight him, which was you know, expected, 0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:46.080 given like the kind of shit she's had to deal with, right, 0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:49.080 she's had to be a very tough person. She doesn't 0:46:49.080 --> 0:46:51.120 seem to be injured. I don't think there's any evidence 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:55.279 that the liquid or whatever was something that caused or 0:46:55.360 --> 0:46:57.960 is likely to cause health issues, which I mean doesn't 0:46:57.960 --> 0:46:59.919 make it not assault. It just I don't think she's 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.400 currently in any times you're thankfully. Yeah, there's been a 0:47:03.480 --> 0:47:07.759 chorus of denunciations about the attack on her from a 0:47:07.760 --> 0:47:11.040 bunch of other elected leaders. I know people have said 0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:13.200 that like it's been ignored, but at least it hasn't 0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:14.560 been from other people in the House. 0:47:14.640 --> 0:47:14.759 Right. 0:47:14.800 --> 0:47:17.000 There's a lot of folks, including some Republicans, who have 0:47:17.040 --> 0:47:19.360 made comments on it, just because none of them like 0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:23.800 the thought of having shit sprayed on them. I think, yeah, Yeah, anyway, 0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:26.319 we don't know a ton about this guy and why 0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.799 he did other than that he presumably hated illin Omar, right, 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:34.120 and that he wanted to get her to quit her 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:37.399 job or otherwise armor in some way. We don't really 0:47:37.440 --> 0:47:40.759 know much about this guy. There's some people talking about 0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:43.319 the fact that his kids seem to be on the left. Well, 0:47:43.360 --> 0:47:46.719 he's clearly not. As if that's weird, it's not. If 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:48.920 your dad is the kind of crazy asshole who will 0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:52.920 spray poison on elin Omar hit a town hall, I 0:47:52.920 --> 0:47:56.000 can see how maybe you've become the opposite of him. 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:57.719 But yeah, that's about all we know at the moment. 0:47:57.880 --> 0:47:59.640 I do want to mention Trump's comment on it, where 0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:02.640 Abe's News asked Trump if you'd seen the video, and 0:48:03.440 --> 0:48:07.160 oh yeah, Trump said, quote, No, I don't think about her. 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.839 I think she's a fraud. I really don't think about that. 0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:12.279 She probably had sprayed herself knowing her. 0:48:12.480 --> 0:48:14.640 Yeah, you said that like a guy he thinks about 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:15.520 her constantly. 0:48:16.560 --> 0:48:20.840 Hey yeah, yeah, really hideous stuff. 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:21.880 Yeah. 0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:24.480 Producer Sophie here with a quick pickup, as we did 0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:28.120 not have this information at the time of recording. This 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:33.360 is as of January twenty twenty six. Per AP News quote, 0:48:33.840 --> 0:48:36.200 the Justice Department has charged a man who scorted apple 0:48:36.280 --> 0:48:40.200 sided vinegar on Democratic Representative Omar at an event in Minneapolis. 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:44.240 According to court papers made public Thursday, the man arrested 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:48.319 for Tuesday's attack, Anthony kasmar Zak, faces a charge of 0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:52.200 forcibly assaulting, opposing, impeding, and intimidating Omar. According to a 0:48:52.239 --> 0:48:56.320 complaint filed in federal court, authorities determined that the substance 0:48:56.400 --> 0:49:00.319 was water and apple cider vinegar. According to an affidavitkasmar 0:49:00.400 --> 0:49:01.879 Zakh sprayed Omar. 0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.600 With the liquid. He appeared to say, quote she's. 0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:09.120 Not resigning, You're splitting Minnesota's apart end quote the affi 0:49:09.160 --> 0:49:12.799 David says. Authorities also say that kasmar Zak told a 0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:17.000 close associate several years ago that quote somebody should kill 0:49:17.320 --> 0:49:22.200 end quote Omar quote. Documents say kasmar Zak appeared briefly 0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.680 in federal court Thursday afternoon. His attorney told the judge 0:49:25.840 --> 0:49:28.520 her client was unmedicated at the time of the incident 0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:31.560 and has not had access to medications he needs to 0:49:31.600 --> 0:49:34.879 treat Parkinson's disease in other serious conditions he suffers from 0:49:35.520 --> 0:49:39.400 US Magistrate Judge Dulce Foster ordered that Kazmarzak remain in 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:42.440 custody and told officials he needs to see a nurse 0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:47.040 when he's transferred to the Sherburne County Jail end quote. Again, 0:49:47.239 --> 0:49:49.040 that is via AP News. 0:49:49.360 --> 0:49:51.600 So I want to very briefly update people on Rejava. 0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:54.239 The bfkey bassing for a whole episode. We will do one. 0:49:54.280 --> 0:49:55.359 I've been in Minneapolis. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:57.040 It's kind of a lot going on right now. 0:49:57.680 --> 0:49:59.800 Yeah, and me you may have noticed, but this is 0:49:59.840 --> 0:50:03.080 a very important right, Like, horrible things are happening. So 0:50:03.760 --> 0:50:07.560 the STG that's a Syrian Transitional Government Ahmed al Sharha 0:50:07.960 --> 0:50:12.520 Jiulani's government right and the SDF Syrian Democratic Forces which 0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.600 includes the YPG and YPGA, the armed forces that defend Rashava, 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:21.120 have signed a fifteen day extension to their ceasefire. But 0:50:21.200 --> 0:50:24.640 both sides are accusing the other of widespread violations of 0:50:24.680 --> 0:50:27.520 the ceasefire. Both of them are right, like I've seen 0:50:27.520 --> 0:50:32.719 a lot of videos of ceasefire violations. Ceasefire was internationally mediated, 0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:35.920 likely by the US, and likely because of huge concerns 0:50:36.200 --> 0:50:39.839 around the escape of Islamic State prisoners. There was an 0:50:39.840 --> 0:50:43.600 attempted is suicide bombing in Iraq yesterday as we record this, 0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.520 that's the first time I can remember one of those 0:50:46.560 --> 0:50:50.719 happening in a while that the person was apprehended. But 0:50:51.360 --> 0:50:55.960 the US, I know, has been transferring detainees from the 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.400 prison near Jusseka, and they're transferring them to US facilities 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:02.640 in Iran. Created it doesn't the prince of the detainees 0:51:02.719 --> 0:51:04.200 is not the thing that is going to make the 0:51:04.280 --> 0:51:07.400 US support their allies in Rasjavo or their former allies 0:51:07.440 --> 0:51:09.640 in their SDF for I guess I should say now 0:51:09.640 --> 0:51:12.520 that the US once again, it is not going to 0:51:12.520 --> 0:51:15.160 be a good friend to the Kurdish people. Trump has 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:20.080 also truthed that Iraq should not appoint Nurial Malachi as 0:51:20.080 --> 0:51:23.640 its next prime minister. In his Truth, he said, quote, 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.359 I am hearing that the great country of Iraq might 0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.759 make a very bad choice by reinstalling Nuriel Malachi as 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.680 prime minister. Last time Malachi was in power, the country 0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:35.680 descended into poverty and total chaos that should not be 0:51:35.680 --> 0:51:39.000 allowed to happen again because of his insane policies and ideologies. 0:51:39.040 --> 0:51:41.440 If elected, the United States of America will no longer 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:44.120 help Iraq. And if we are not there to help 0:51:44.360 --> 0:51:47.719 Iraq has zero chance of success, prosperity or freedom. 0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:50.279 Make Iraq great again, yess ch. 0:51:51.760 --> 0:51:54.200 First off, I mean Molikey does suck. 0:51:56.040 --> 0:51:58.880 He's a really bad guy. Yeah, this is not like 0:51:59.040 --> 0:52:01.759 yay Malachi po. But this ain't the way to go 0:52:01.800 --> 0:52:02.440 about doing that. 0:52:02.719 --> 0:52:05.040 No, I mean just the whole we will cut all 0:52:05.600 --> 0:52:09.000 ties and support to Iraq thing. When everything happening, there 0:52:09.080 --> 0:52:11.040 is still downstream of us fucking with them. 0:52:11.160 --> 0:52:12.799 Yeah, we did this. 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:16.439 We spent twenty fucking years killing people in a rack. 0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:19.279 Like you don't just get to be like oh yeah, 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.480 and like the idea that we were doing regime change. 0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:23.920 But when the regime isn't and the one that we like, 0:52:24.080 --> 0:52:26.040 that people act and I was like, we're doing regime 0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:28.760 change again, Like obviously the whole thing was a fraud 0:52:28.800 --> 0:52:29.279 and a lie. 0:52:29.560 --> 0:52:31.440 Yes, yeah, still is. 0:52:31.880 --> 0:52:35.799 Yeah, very concerned for my friends all the parts of 0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:39.560 Curtis dannergy. The peace process between the PKK and Turkeys 0:52:39.680 --> 0:52:43.640 is falling apart, and state violence in Iran is still 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:48.480 absolutely repugnant scale right, Yeah, a pretty tough time in 0:52:48.480 --> 0:52:49.200 that part of the world. 0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:50.319 I thinking of them. 0:52:50.920 --> 0:52:53.680 So finally, I want to give a brief update on 0:52:53.760 --> 0:52:56.960 my story from last week about this attempt to and 0:52:57.160 --> 0:53:01.040 FED independence and this att to sort of do an 0:53:01.080 --> 0:53:06.160 investigation into the chairman of the Federal Reserve. So earlier today, 0:53:06.200 --> 0:53:09.800 as we were recording this, we got the result of 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:12.360 the Fed's vote about what they were going to do 0:53:12.400 --> 0:53:15.440 with interest rates. There's a whole episode about that. Go 0:53:15.560 --> 0:53:17.160 listen to that if you want air send what this is. 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:21.480 But the FED, instead of cutting rates as the administration 0:53:21.560 --> 0:53:23.719 has wanted, has decided to hold interest rates at the 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.160 same level, which was what was expected out of the 0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:30.720 Federal Reserve before Trump started putting even more pressure on them. However, 0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:34.239 we did not get any updates from anyone at the 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:39.160 Federal Reserve about this Department of Justice investigation or any 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.400 of the Trump pressure that's been being put on the 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:47.000 Federal Reserve. So we'll keep you updated as the situation evolves, 0:53:47.040 --> 0:53:49.959 but all we got was a very normal interest rates 0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:51.920 are being held at the same level. 0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:55.080 We will include our list of mutual aid fundraisers for 0:53:55.160 --> 0:53:57.560 Minneapolis again in the show notes for this episode. 0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.719 Would you like to donate, put a transfer on your 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:01.279 couch yep and if you. 0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:05.000 Want to email us Cool Zone Tips at proton dot me. 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:06.680 Use a proton mail addresses. 0:54:06.760 --> 0:54:07.000 Send it. 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:11.240 We reported the news. 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