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Speaker 1: Al Zone Media.

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Speaker 2: This is It could Happen here Executive Disorder, our weekly

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Speaker 2: news cast covering what's happening in the White House, the

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Speaker 2: crumbling world, and what it means for you. I'm Garrison Davis.

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Speaker 2: Today I'm joined by Mia Wong, James Stout, and Robert Evans.

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Speaker 2: This episode, we're covering the week of January twenty first

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Speaker 2: to January twenty eighth. Massive snowstorm across most of the country,

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Speaker 2: at least the real parts of the country, which is

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Speaker 2: the East coast in the south. Now and wow, there

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Speaker 2: is a lot of snow. It makes me feel kind

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Speaker 2: of like a penguin just walking off to the mountains

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Speaker 2: by myself, weathering the weather. Finally, I feel akin to

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Speaker 2: the President, who is now also a suicidal penguin.

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Speaker 3: At the wrong end of the globe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, as soon as they start the remigration,

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Speaker 2: they're going to be deporting penguins stuff.

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Speaker 3: Greenland.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's held in a military detention camp off of Greenland,

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Speaker 2: now that we might own a tiny bit of our

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Speaker 2: military base. Still very unclear what the details of that

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Speaker 2: Greenland deal are.

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Speaker 5: No, he just wanted to be able to say he

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Speaker 5: made a deal and I don't know if it's going

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Speaker 5: to be any different than the status quo was before,

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Speaker 5: but he'll claim victory and so will his supporters, and

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Speaker 5: we'll all move.

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Speaker 6: On as we kind of already have.

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Speaker 5: Yep, there's too much other bullshit going on.

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Speaker 3: That is the motto for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Some of that bullshit is the third immigration enforcement related

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Speaker 2: shooting in Minneapolis in just three weeks, James, do you

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Speaker 2: want to start with that?

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Speaker 7: So, yeah, I was in Minneapolis. I was actually just

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Speaker 7: in Minneapolis Airport when this happened. On Saturday of this week,

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Speaker 7: Alex Pretty was shot by two CBP agents in Minneapolis Well.

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Speaker 7: He was filming an immigration raid in which ICE agents

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Speaker 7: attempted to pursue someone into a donut shop that seemed

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Speaker 7: to have locked the doors. Pretty seemed to be trying

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Speaker 7: to assist a woman who had been pushed to the

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Speaker 7: ground by agents. When the agents grabbed him, maceed him,

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Speaker 7: beat him, disarmed him, and then shot him several times.

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Speaker 7: Pretty he was thirty seven. It was a Veterans Affairs

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Speaker 7: ICY UNICE and when this confrontation with immigration agents began,

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Speaker 7: he was legally carrying a sig P three twenty handgun

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Speaker 7: concealed inside his waistband. I can go on and summarize

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Speaker 7: the video for anyone who hasn't seen it. It's obviously

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Speaker 7: quite distressing, so you know, if you're gonna watch it,

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Speaker 7: just know that you're gonna see someone die. Video shows

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Speaker 7: several agents beating Pretty. This one grabs a handgun from

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Speaker 7: his inside waistband holster. Very quickly after this, ten shots

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Speaker 7: are fired by at least two agents. You can hear

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Speaker 7: at one point an agent shouting gun, gun, He's got

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Speaker 7: a gun. Yeah, And then in the after mark, another

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Speaker 7: video shows agents asking where is the gun? So it

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Speaker 7: doesn't appear that the agent who cleared Pretty's gun informed

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Speaker 7: the other agents that that had happened.

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Speaker 2: Though the agent that first fired at Pretty was standing

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Speaker 2: right behind the agent that disarmed him and is literally

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Speaker 2: as he then seconds later starts shooting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Pretty falls to the ground. Then more agents fire on

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Speaker 2: his body as it lays flat on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The CBP initial use of force review, which was sent

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Speaker 7: to Congress today, suggested that on Wednesday, Yeah, this is Wednesday,

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Speaker 7: the twenty eighth, two agents fired, so we know at

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Speaker 7: least two agents fired right where it's not entirely clear.

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Speaker 7: I don't think if all of these were CBP agents,

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Speaker 7: was an eight year CBP veteran. Then a range safety officer,

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Speaker 7: Greg Bavina has declined to identify them because he said

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Speaker 7: that would be doxing.

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Speaker 3: That's not what that word usually means.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 7: DHS has claimed that Pretty had two extra magazines on

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Speaker 7: his person, but I haven't seen any evidence of that.

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Speaker 7: What they provided was a photograph of a sig P

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Speaker 7: with two charge courts next to it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 7: That's that's not normally how evidence is treated in a crime.

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Speaker 7: That it's an unusual way to go about that put in.

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Speaker 7: The DHS Secretary Christie Nome, has told reporters that Pretty

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Speaker 7: attacked and impeded law enforcement and was brandishing his weapon.

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Speaker 3: Videos don't show that.

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Speaker 7: The only time that you see his weapon is when

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Speaker 7: it is removed by the agent who takes it out

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Speaker 2: Pretty appears to be holding his black cell phone for

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Speaker 2: the entirety of this interaction.

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Speaker 8: Yep.

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Speaker 7: And it's very clear that it's a cell phone, right

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Speaker 7: CBP as inches obviously from the phone in his face. Yeah,

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Speaker 7: there is no reasonable claim.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 5: As a rule, throughout the interaction, there was never any

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Speaker 5: confusion that would have led them to believe he had

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Speaker 5: he had been disarmed. Yep, there's no argument for that.

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Speaker 5: You can't make a case for that reasonably. People will

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Speaker 5: do unreasably. I don't care.

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Speaker 7: The allegation that he attacked members repeated by FBI Director

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Speaker 7: Cash Patel in the interview he gave to Fox News.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to give a little video of Nomes claim.

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Speaker 9: This individual impeded the law enforcement officers and attacked them.

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Speaker 9: State the facts as they unfolded on the street today.

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Speaker 9: We were doing a targeted operation against an illegal criminal,

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Speaker 9: and this individual came with a weapon and dozens of

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Speaker 9: rounds of ammunition and attacked them. And these agents took

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Speaker 9: action to defend their lives and to defend the lives

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Speaker 9: of the people around them, and it acted according to their.

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Speaker 3: CPP.

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Speaker 7: Commander at Large potentially no longer Commander at Large, Gregory

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Speaker 7: Bavino claimed that Pretty had assaulted federal agents, and throughout

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Speaker 7: a press conference at Baveno, Gave referred to Pretty as

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Speaker 7: a suspect and the people who killed him as victims.

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Speaker 7: Lavina also claimed that Pretty planned to quote, massacre law enforcement.

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Speaker 10: Was he simply walking by and just happened to walk

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Speaker 10: into a law enforcement situation and try to direct traffic

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Speaker 10: and stand in the middle of the road and then assault,

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Speaker 10: delay and obstruct law enforcement? Or was he there for

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Speaker 10: a reason? Did he fall victim to that violent and

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Speaker 10: heated rhetoric by a mayor Fry, a governor Waltz. Look, Dan,

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Speaker 10: they're trying to portray board of all agents and Ice

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Speaker 10: agents as Gestapo, Nazi and many other words. Did this

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Speaker 10: individual fall victim as many others have that type of

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Speaker 8: I want to stay focused on this incident right now,

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Speaker 8: because what you were saying is that he went there

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Speaker 8: to try to stop this law enforcement operation. All of

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Speaker 8: the video that we have seen shows him documenting it

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Speaker 8: with his cell phone, which is a lawful thing to do.

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Speaker 8: And the only time he seemed to interact with law

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Speaker 8: enforcement is when they went after him, when he was

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Speaker 8: trying to help an individual who law enforcement pushed down.

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Speaker 8: So where do you have the evidence to show that

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Speaker 8: he was trying to impede that that law enforcement operation.

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Speaker 10: Sure, Dana, First, he was there in the scene. He

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Speaker 10: was in the scene actively impeding and assaulting law enforcement

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Speaker 10: to the place that's not illegal.

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Speaker 8: He wasn't impeding it. He was filming it, which is

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Speaker 8: a legal thing to do in the United States.

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Speaker 10: And Dana, let's let's don't freeze frame adjudicate this now.

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Speaker 10: He was there for a reason, and that reason was

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Speaker 10: to impede law enforcement. To you here, and here's a

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Speaker 10: good point, Dana, is the fact that de escalation techniques

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Speaker 10: were utilized during this action. Those de escalation techniques, whether

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Speaker 10: it was physically trying to remove them from that law

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Speaker 10: enforcement scene, that active law enforcement scene in which law enforcement.

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Speaker 7: I wanted to include a little bit more there because

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Speaker 7: I feel like that's one of the few times we've

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Speaker 7: seen him not just able to deliver.

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Speaker 5: His right where someone's pushed a little Yeah exactly.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, and there's a thing in the video that

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Speaker 6: I think is really effective where you know, you can

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Speaker 6: hear him lying about the video and then the video

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Speaker 6: is playing next to it, and you can just see

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Speaker 6: what is happening, and then he's just saying shit.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a good piece of a television news go.

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Speaker 7: So that's not the worst piece I've seen. Yea, him

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Speaker 7: saying they used the escalation techniques as you watch, half

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Speaker 7: beat him.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's this line I think a lot about

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Speaker 7: in chapter seven of nineteen eighty four, which was the

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Speaker 7: party told you not to believe your eyes and ears.

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Speaker 7: It was their final most important command. I mean, I

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Speaker 7: don't if they sayn't that, then I don't know what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, they don't even try to convincingly

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Speaker 5: Like they just keep to the narrative that has been

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Well not even in this case at the top. It

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Speaker 5: the top has been backing off from this narrative at

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Speaker 2: We'll get to the kind of back and forth in

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Speaker 2: a sack. But I mean it's very clear from this

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Speaker 2: that they just consider blowing a whistle to be impeded,

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Speaker 2: like that's that's all the justification that they need.

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Speaker 3: Stay considered his presence there.

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Speaker 6: As long as you are physically presence there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, anything you do that they don't like is assaulting

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Speaker 5: an officer at this point, Yes.

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Speaker 6: It's kind of a minor point.

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Speaker 2: But also his pronunciation of gestapo.

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Speaker 3: He does that every time.

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Speaker 6: It's like, dude, we can we know, we know. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it's like he's wearing that coat.

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Speaker 2: He's wearing the come on and yeah, no, it's it's

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Speaker 2: it's it's pretty insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I love the articles that are like, no, he's just

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Speaker 5: wearing traditional old style military coat. It's not a stuff

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Speaker 5: foker guys.

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Speaker 7: Come on, man, I've seen a lot of Border patrol agents, guys.

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Speaker 5: No one else wears that coat. He picked that coat

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Speaker 5: because of how it looks.

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Speaker 7: Ye, to my knowledge, that's not a uniform piece for

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Speaker 7: the Border patrol.

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Speaker 5: Oh and he's never been in the military. Yeah you

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Speaker 5: know what he is and is a secret police unit anyway. Sorry, yeah, no,

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Speaker 5: I think it's it's worth eating that one. I want

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Speaker 5: to talk about this ACLU lawsuit, right So, in sworn testimonies,

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Speaker 5: which are part of this ongoing lawsuit, multiple witnesses said

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Speaker 5: pretty did not brandish or draw his handgun.

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Speaker 3: Quote.

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Speaker 7: I have read a statement from DHS about what happened,

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Speaker 7: and it is wrong. The man did not approach the

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Speaker 7: agents with a gun. He approached him with a camera.

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Speaker 7: He was just trying to help a woman get up,

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Speaker 7: and they took him to the ground.

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Speaker 3: One set. Another witness, a doctor, was prevented from performing CPR. Quote.

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Speaker 7: None of the ICE agents who were near the victim

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Speaker 7: were performing CPR, they said. Agents did mind did the

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Speaker 2: The day after the shooting, Cash Pattel went on Fox

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Speaker 13: Look, don't I don't think anybody thinks that they were

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Speaker 5: depending on where whether you think those protesters are dangerous

444
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 5: or not or whatever like that. That's a video that

445
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 5: like everyone saw the same video and took something different

446
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,440
Speaker 5: out of it. Yeah, that's not the case with this video,

447
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 5: or really with the Renee Good video for most people,

448
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,440
Speaker 5: and it's really jarring for them, most people who were

449
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,240
Speaker 5: not political, because that's what we're talking about is like

450
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 5: the sheer number of people who do not normally wait

451
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 5: into this stuff or were making a comment. They would

452
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 5: see one of these videos that is much more like

453
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 5: if you're just kind of coming in and watching it,

454
00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 5: it's kind of unclear what's happening, and they would go, oh,

455
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 5: it's another big com I'm just not going to get

456
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 5: involved with it. People are arguing about what this is.

457
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 5: Let them argue, I'm going to go on with my life.

458
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 5: This is very clear what's happening, very clear that they're lying,

459
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,120
Speaker 5: and it's just upsetting. It's deeply upsetting to even people

460
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 5: who don't normally think about this shit.

461
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think part of that too is also

462
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 6: you know, there were a lot of people who didn't

463
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Speaker 6: get involved with the Renee Good shooting because you know,

464
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 6: even then people were still like, oh, well, maybe it's complicated.

465
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Speaker 6: But once you've seen the second shooting in two weeks,

466
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 6: where the line from the administration is exactly the same

467
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 6: and you have video images again, Yeah, that's how you

468
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Speaker 6: get someone like Kurt Warner, who is a faith family

469
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 6: football guy. He's very open about being a Christian, is

470
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 6: very open about he doesn't talk about politics, but he's

471
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 6: very obviously conservative in a way that he doesn't think

472
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 6: is political. Yeah, and he looks at this and goes,

473
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 6: holy shit, they murdered this guy and the government's lying

474
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 6: about it. And that's a kind of breakthrough moment in

475
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Speaker 6: all of this.

476
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Speaker 7: I've seen a lot of stuff from like folks in

477
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 7: the gun community, like who you wouldn't normally expect to

478
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 7: be critical of the Trump administration being critical, Yeah, because

479
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 7: the Trump administration has come out with just like insane

480
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Speaker 7: they're repeating like anti Second Amendment talking points.

481
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Speaker 5: Yep.

482
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Speaker 7: I also saw his name is Tony Thomas, but he

483
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 7: was previously the commander of Special Operations Command, right, has

484
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 7: been sharing and unfortunately AI quote unquote enhanced photo of

485
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Speaker 7: the shooting.

486
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Speaker 11: God.

487
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that I need to talk a little bit about there,

488
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Speaker 5: but please continue.

489
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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's remarkable that you've got someone whose job has

490
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 7: been killing people for the United States government, right, who've

491
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 7: retired to a role in an investment back. It doesn't

492
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 7: normally make statements in public about immigration policy, but like, again,

493
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:09,239
Speaker 7: this one is kind of broken containment, right, Like they

494
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 7: saw the police shoot a man in the back multiple

495
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 7: times in broad daylight from multiple angles, and Yeah, this

496
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 7: one's been really hard for them, just been.

497
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

498
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Speaker 6: One of the things that you know, when you talk

499
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Speaker 6: about sort of Reddit as a sighte of this, right,

500
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:24,920
Speaker 6: one of the things on the front page a Reddit

501
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 6: for a while that day was just a thing from

502
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Speaker 6: like r slash pics where it's a picture of a

503
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 6: frame in this shooting and then it's a picture of

504
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 6: a Nazi officer with a gun to the back of

505
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,440
Speaker 6: the head of a prisoner they're about to shoot, and

506
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 6: it's almost identical frame for frame, And that's the kind

507
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,920
Speaker 6: of thing that's just going around on like the front

508
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Speaker 6: page of Reddit.

509
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Speaker 5: Yeah, part of what I think is happening here is

510
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 5: they got very convinced that their ability to kind of

511
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 5: just brute force their own reality over what actually happened,

512
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 5: and m maybe they gambled too hard.

513
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So much of this story is like the ultimate

514
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: conservative nightmare of the government, like physically disarming you, executing you,

515
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: and that sequence of events is I think also in

516
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: part what has created this pretty consistent turnaway from the

517
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 2: Trump administrations and the DHS. It's like initial statement on

518
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: what happened here, which the administrations themselves have started to

519
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 2: roll back on after the public rejected this claim that

520
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: they kept making on him being like a terrorist, him

521
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: intending to mastercre law enforcement, all these things that they

522
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,919
Speaker 2: have no way to actually prove. On Tuesday, Stephen Miller

523
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 2: told CNN that they are quote evaluating why the CBP

524
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 2: team may not have been following White House approved protocol

525
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: and that the initial statement from DHS following the shooting

526
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,359
Speaker 2: was quote based on reports from CBP on the ground unquote.

527
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 2: On Wednesday, the DHS spokespersent TRITICHA McLoughlin repeated this claim

528
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Speaker 2: on Fox Business.

529
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Speaker 5: A Secretary Nome accused Alex Prette of being a domestic terrorist.

530
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Speaker 9: Is the administration standing by that language?

531
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Speaker 14: So initial statements were made after reports from CBP on

532
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 14: the ground that was a very chaotic scene. We know

533
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 14: that our ice law enforcement are facing rampant violence against them,

534
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 14: a highly coordinated campaign. So that is why this investigation

535
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 14: is so important so we can get accurate facts to

536
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 14: the American people.

537
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: Trump has denied that Preddi was acting as an assassin

538
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: and has called the shooting a quote unquote very unfortunate incident,

539
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 2: But he has continued to say that Preddy should not

540
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 2: have been carrying a gun.

541
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Speaker 6: Quote. You can't have guns. You can't walk in with guns,

542
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 6: you just can't unquote.

543
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Minnesota Gun Owners Caucus has been pretty impressive. Yeah,

544
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 7: I'll say that, Like generally, right, like, especially organized gun

545
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,239
Speaker 7: owner groups in the United States tend to align very

546
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 7: heavily with conservative politics. They have been like reinforcing that

547
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 7: what pretty was doing was in no way legal. It

548
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 7: should no way need to you being killed.

549
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

550
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Speaker 2: As of Wednesday, we do know now that the Border

551
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 2: Patrol agents involved in the killing of Alex Preddy have

552
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 2: been placed on administrative leave. Around January twenty sixth, Trump

553
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 2: struck some kind of deal with local officials, namely Mayor

554
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 2: Frey and Governor Tim Walls. Local officials have said that

555
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: quote unquote some federal agents would begin leaving Minnesota. Bonvino

556
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: is expected to return to California, with The Atlantic reporting

557
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: that he's been stripped of his quote unquote Commander at

558
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 2: Large title and has been locked out of government social

559
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: media accounts. Tom Homan has arrived in Minneapolis to take

560
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: over immigration enforcement operations, and local Minnesota law enforcement have

561
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: ramped up their policing of protests, especially outside of hotels

562
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Speaker 2: where ICE and Border Patrol agents have been staying.

563
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Speaker 6: And it's important to note as as you're seeing a

564
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Speaker 6: lot of stories about sort of ICE pulling out of

565
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Speaker 6: Minneapolis and you know, an administration roll back because of

566
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Speaker 6: the sort of Bovino movement. Everyone that I have talked

567
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 6: to in Minneapolis, and this is a fairly large number

568
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 6: of people, have all told me that everything on the

569
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 6: ground remains the same. The raids are continuing, and they

570
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 6: want to make sure that everyone understands that the raids

571
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 6: are continuing and that the same kinds of things that

572
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 6: ICE in the Border Patrol have been doing up until

573
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 6: this point are continuing to happen under I guess quote

574
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Speaker 6: unquote new management.

575
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

576
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Speaker 7: I think they may have withdrawn some Border Patrol agents, right,

577
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 7: but the bulk of the people they deployed were actually

578
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Speaker 7: ICE agents. They to my knowledge, have not been withdrawn home.

579
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Speaker 7: And it is not exactly a like a liberal figure

580
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 7: when it comes to deportation. To build it mildly, it

581
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 7: might be like a change in the outward appearance that

582
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 7: the practice of what's going.

583
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Speaker 3: On that has not changed.

584
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Speaker 2: Do we want to just have any kind of final

585
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: discussion on that AI enhanced image that's been circulating.

586
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, So I mean there's an AI enhanced image,

587
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 5: and this is when I posted this. I've seen people

588
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: comment that like, oh, it's more disinformation from the fascist.

589
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 5: This is the opposite of that. Yeah, someone AI enhanced

590
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 5: a still frame from the video because there's a question

591
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Speaker 5: as to whether or not when one of the ICE

592
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 5: agents disarmed Preddy, did he actit negligently discharge his firearm

593
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 5: into the ground, and did that maybe spook them and

594
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 5: cause the remaining chain of events. I don't think it's clear,

595
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 5: And the video is not super clear as to whether

596
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 5: or not the gun is firing. It's kind of grainy.

597
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't know that yet.

598
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 5: So and like the new AI enhanced version, you literally

599
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 5: see like a tongue of fire coming out of the

600
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Speaker 5: barrel of the gun and then a full round of

601
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 5: five to five six seems to be exiting.

602
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Speaker 3: Well, like with the casing, let's just make shit up.

603
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 5: It looks like it has the casing. It looks not

604
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 5: like a firing gun looks And the text on this

605
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 5: is this is from the AI info twitter account. An

606
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 5: enhanced video of a man who disarmed Alex Preddy shows

607
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: the show's gun allegedly misfiring. His ICE agent runs with it.

608
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 5: Which has also been said to have spooked other agents

609
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Speaker 5: into firing. AI video also enhances the visuals of the bullets.

610
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Speaker 5: It would be clearly visit to the human eye.

611
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 6: It's like, I didn't hit shit, you had to fight you.

612
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 6: You had the digital quivalent of a five year old

613
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 6: scribbling on it.

614
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Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know, Maybe I guess this

615
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 5: could be them trying to be like, oh, it wasn't

616
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 5: the federal agent's fault. It's those damn sig P three

617
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 5: twenties that spooked everybody. Yeah, it's it's.

618
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Speaker 3: Like number one.

619
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Speaker 5: AI can't enhance, yeah things, nothing can enhance a photo

620
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,240
Speaker 5: that's not a thing that's real. You can't just like

621
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 5: add details to a photo that weren't in in a

622
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 5: way that's different from just photos shopping them in. And

623
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 5: that's what AI did. Someone said, add visuals of a bullet,

624
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: and they did, and it's bad. It looks like a

625
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: fucking sparkler is stuck in the end of a handgun. Yeah,

626
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 5: but yeah, it's just shit like this. That's just going

627
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 5: to be everything, Like every clash, every murder, every controversial

628
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 5: thing that happens, there's immediately going to be a bunch

629
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 5: of different AI slot videos and analysis, and what scares

630
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 5: me most or not even scares me. What I think

631
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 5: is the biggest problem isn't even just the straight up

632
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: disinfo video. It's the stuff where people are claiming, look,

633
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 5: I did some research using this AI and it revealed

634
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: this thing that isn't immediately visible to the naked eye,

635
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 5: but this is clearly what really went on. Yeah, and

636
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 5: how that's going to supercharge fucking conspiracy theories about stuff,

637
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 5: and how the response when people are like, but the

638
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 5: AI didn't enhance anything, will just be like, you're not

639
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 5: smarter than an AI, you don't know, Like that's that's

640
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 5: the kind of thing where it's just got to be annoying,

641
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 5: Like the truth ecosystem is already so damaged. I certainly

642
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 5: wouldn't say that this is going to definitely make everything worse,

643
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 5: but it's going to make everything more annoying.

644
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

645
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I've seen this image that you

646
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 2: were talking about, but I've seen a whole bunch of

647
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: other like AI enhanced images of the shooting. It's specifically

648
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: like the moment where where or like around the time

649
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: that the agents are firing into the back of pretty

650
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 2: and it's mostly like AI sharpened images, but taken to

651
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: such an extreme extent that literally one of the heads

652
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: of the border patrol agents is just missing.

653
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: You know what. I wouldn't call that enhanced, but I'd

654
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 5: say it's an improvement.

655
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: You have to like kind of like look for it

656
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 2: because because of how much movement is in the night,

657
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 2: of course, but I've seen I've seen this the AI

658
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: hnts like like still from the Pink Jacket.

659
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 6: Lady of the shooting.

660
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Speaker 2: I've seen this image spread all around by people showing

661
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: like how how like brutal this looks, and it you

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Speaker 2: don't need to spread this AI sharpened version with the

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Speaker 2: with that with the head missing, like there is like

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Speaker 2: regular skills that maybe are a little bit more fuzzy,

665
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Speaker 2: but they actually are are real. And you've seen a

666
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Speaker 2: few other like AI altered images spreading around around this shooting. Specifically,

667
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Speaker 2: there's been like AI altered images of Alex pretty that

668
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Speaker 2: like slightly changes his like facial proportions that have been

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Speaker 2: used at some like memorials have been have been spreading

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Speaker 2: on the Internet, and that sort of stuff has been

671
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Speaker 2: incredibly frustrating just to see the sort of proliferation of

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Speaker 2: these of these AI images into like the news cycle.

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Speaker 5: I shared the enhanced image.

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Speaker 6: That looks really bad.

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Speaker 5: It's really bad.

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Speaker 6: That's like, that's like.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I've not seen that.

678
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like a kindergartender. It's unreal. You don't need

679
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Speaker 6: to do this like that. People that have seen the

680
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Speaker 6: footage knows what happened. You don't need to spread these

681
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Speaker 6: fake images like public opinion is already formed on this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll go on ad break again, but I think

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Speaker 2: to close this section, I'll I'll play the short clip

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Speaker 2: from the Minnesota timber Wolves game, which is which is

686
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Speaker 2: a basketball game, I believe, Yeah, which they held a

687
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 2: moment of silence for pretty and people chanted Towards the end,

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Speaker 2: I'll shorten the moment of silence for the audience, but

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Speaker 2: you can take a listen.

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Speaker 4: Here are the traffic laws of Alex Purty that occurred

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Speaker 4: yesterday in Minneapolis. We extend our love, support, and Heartfield's

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00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 4: sympathies to Alex's family friend in our community during this

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Speaker 4: difficult time. Please join in honoring the life and memory

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Speaker 4: of Alex Pritty with a moment of silence.

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Speaker 6: All right, we're back.

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Speaker 2: After the shooting on Saturday, Chuck Schumer said that Senate

697
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Speaker 2: Democrats would not be advancing a House approved appropriations bill

698
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Speaker 2: with the currently included DHS funding Right now, the Senate

699
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: is considering a six bill spending package that was narrowly

700
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Speaker 2: approved by the House thanks to seven Democrats, and now

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Speaker 2: Senate Deems are seeking to separate out the DHS bill

702
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Speaker 2: and advance the five others. These six annual spending bills

703
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: are set to expire on January thirty first. If at

704
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: least some Democrats don't sign on to the bills by Friday,

705
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: there will be a partial government shutdown on Wednesday. Schumer reiterated,

706
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: quote until ICE is properly rained in and overhauled legislatively,

707
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,840
Speaker 2: the DHS funding bill doesn't have the votes to pass

708
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: the Senate unquote. Possible immigration enforcement concessions that Democrats are

709
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: pushing for include, but are not limited to, independent investigations

710
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: into the recent shootings, mandating judicial warrants for immigration arrests,

711
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 2: mandating body cams, requiring agent identification, no masks, no arrest quotas,

712
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Speaker 2: no roving patrols, and restricting border patrol agents to the

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Speaker 2: US border.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I want to address I've actually addressed the

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Speaker 7: roving patrols before, and that the evidence standards for stops

716
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Speaker 7: on those patrols. I'm not going to do that, but

717
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Speaker 7: I do want to address this last one right with

718
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 7: the quote unquote US border god. So, in the statute,

719
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,800
Speaker 7: border patrol is supposed to operate within a reasonable distance

720
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Speaker 7: the United States border, which they interpret to be a

721
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Speaker 7: one hundred mile distance. Now, when you are thinking of border,

722
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 7: you might be thinking of land borders, but remember this

723
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 7: also includes ocean borders. They interpret the Great Lakes to

724
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Speaker 7: be international waterways, and thus it begins one hundred miles

725
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Speaker 7: from the shore of the Great Lakes. For context, that

726
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,319
Speaker 7: still doesn't get you into Minneapolis, right, You're looking at

727
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Speaker 7: a bit further. One hundred and fifty miles was the

728
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 7: shortest line I could draw on a map. People seem

729
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Speaker 7: to be operating under the misapprehension that this includes airports,

730
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Speaker 7: and it does not, And I keep seeing this repeated online,

731
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Speaker 7: and then people keep telling me the statue is actually

732
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Speaker 7: very clear on what does and does not constitute a border,

733
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Speaker 7: and it's talked about external borders and airports are not

734
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Speaker 7: included in this Border patrol does not operate within one

735
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Speaker 7: hundred mile radius of every international airport in the United States.

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Speaker 2: Really unclear if Democrats will be able to get some

737
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Speaker 2: of these things. Yeah, Obviously pushing for more training has

738
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Speaker 2: its limits. The people involved in the shooting had years

739
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 2: and years of training and gave the training. In some case,

740
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: they were doing what they were trained to do. Yeah,

741
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Speaker 2: but there's other stuff in here, like like mandating body cams,

742
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Speaker 2: which though Border Patrol currently has body cams. ICE in

743
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Speaker 2: Border Patrol they have body cams, they're not required to

744
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Speaker 2: always have them on. This will be seeking to change that.

745
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Speaker 2: Other things like requiring the identification of agents deployed, not

746
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Speaker 2: wearing masks, not having arrest quotas. These would significantly change

747
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Speaker 2: the way that ICE operates on the ground. Possibly the

748
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Speaker 2: most important thing that they are seeking here is the

749
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Speaker 2: emphasis on judicial wards as opposed to this administrative warrant

750
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Speaker 2: that ICE has been using as its primary justification the

751
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Speaker 2: past few months.

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Speaker 7: I think we should refer to those I've been called

753
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Speaker 7: the administry of warrants. I think a better I guess

754
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Speaker 7: down to use is the Form two fifteen, because that's

755
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Speaker 7: what it is. It's a form that they filled out

756
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Speaker 7: right like, it's not a warrant in any meaningful sense

757
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 7: of the word yeah. But yeah, just noting that because

758
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Speaker 7: that's a change I'm going to be trying to implement

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Speaker 7: in my work going forward.

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Speaker 2: The last Minneapolis related story for this episode, which is

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Speaker 2: mostly Minneapolis episode I Guess Yeah, is based on a

762
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Speaker 2: CNN report that has claimed that federal agents encountered Alex

763
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Speaker 2: Pretty a week prior to killing him. Pretty is said

764
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Speaker 2: to have been driving and stopped his car when he

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Speaker 2: witnessed ICE agents chasing a.

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Speaker 6: Family on foot.

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Speaker 2: Pretty began shouting and blowing a whistle before agents tackled

768
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Speaker 2: Pretty and broke one of his ribs. Party was later

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Speaker 2: released on the scene. DHS has told CNN that they

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Speaker 2: have no record of this incident, though an anonymous source

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Speaker 2: told CNN that Pretty was a known and identified protester

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Speaker 2: to federal officials on the ground, quoting CNN quote. Earlier

773
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Speaker 2: this month, the DHS official in Minneapolis sent a memo

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Speaker 2: to Immigrations and Customs Enforcement Homeland Security Investigations officers assigned

775
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Speaker 2: to the state on a temporary duty, asking them to

776
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Speaker 2: use a form to input information on protesters and agitate.

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Speaker 2: It is unclear whether the new intake form was used

778
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Speaker 2: to share Pretty's information. It's also not clear whether federal

779
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Speaker 2: agents who encountered Pretty on Saturday recognized him before they

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Speaker 2: confronted him.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's definitely HSI that has been doing the federal

782
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Speaker 7: stuff that involves citizens, I guess, right, like when they

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Speaker 7: are investigating and detaining people. I know Pam Bondi is

784
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Speaker 7: there today again and it has posted pictures of people

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Speaker 7: who are detained with HSI officers, which is not a

786
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Speaker 7: usual thing to do. But yeah, HSI, for whatever reason,

787
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Speaker 7: they're kind of using as their like surrogate FBI in

788
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Speaker 7: these instances.

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Speaker 2: Jason, you can also speak on the sort of like

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Speaker 2: surveillance of protesters quote unquote agitators that Feds have been

791
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Speaker 2: doing on the ground based on what you saw in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's thank you, Gay. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: So, like I was at the Whipple Building, right, the

794
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Speaker 7: Whipple Building being the federal building in Minneapolis where they

795
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Speaker 7: are taking people who are being detained and where ICE

796
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 7: and CBP are deploying out of every day, right. I

797
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Speaker 7: would say that because there was a protest on Friday

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Speaker 7: as part of a general strike and I noticed they

799
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Speaker 7: look like CBPO ICE right then they had like what

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Speaker 7: I would describe with tactical helmets and gear on, but

801
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Speaker 7: using DSLR cameras to take pictures of people protesting. They

802
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Speaker 7: were in vehicles and they were shooting. I can't remember

803
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Speaker 7: they had the door or the window to allow them

804
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Speaker 7: to take photographs. But I noticed, like that is an

805
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Speaker 7: effort at surveillance, right, It is not unreasonable. I know, Garrison,

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Speaker 7: you also have this video which happened in Maine, right

807
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Speaker 7: of an agent more or less saying this, But it's

808
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Speaker 7: not unreasonable to think that there is surveillance of people

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Speaker 7: who are engaging in First Amendment protected activities.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and there has been some desire among ice officials,

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Speaker 2: including Tom Hollman, who went on Fox News earlier this

812
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Speaker 2: month to say that he's pushing for a database quote

813
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Speaker 2: where those people that are arrested for interference, impeding, and

814
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: assault were going to make them famous unquote. So this

815
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Speaker 2: news that Alex Preddy had been preview identified in some

816
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Speaker 2: way by federal law enforcement follows an incident last Friday

817
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Speaker 2: where a federal agent in Maine photographed a legal observer's

818
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Speaker 2: car and said, quote, we have a nice little database,

819
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Speaker 2: and you're now considered a domestic terrorist.

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Speaker 6: I'll play this clip here.

821
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Speaker 3: It's not illegal to record.

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Speaker 4: Exactly.

823
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what we're doing.

824
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Speaker 6: Yeah, why are you taking my information down because we

825
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 6: have a nice little database. Oh good, and now you're

826
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Speaker 6: considered domestic terrorists.

827
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Speaker 5: Were videotaping you? Are you crazy?

828
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Speaker 2: Georgia McLaughlin has told CNN that there is quote no

829
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Speaker 2: database of quote unquote domestic terrorists run by the Department

830
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Speaker 2: of Homeland Security unquote.

831
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I want to say something about this main video, which

833
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Speaker 6: is that I've been seeing a lot of people circulating

834
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Speaker 6: this is Oh, there's new repression tactics happening here. They're

835
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Speaker 6: going to show up to people's houses. This has been happening.

836
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Speaker 6: I mean, I know it was happening in Chicago. It

837
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Speaker 6: probably was happening in la I just don't remember off

838
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 6: the top of my head. But the stuff that's happening

839
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Speaker 6: here where these people take pictures of your face is

840
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,359
Speaker 6: not new at all. It's not some kind of new

841
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Speaker 6: innovation in these repression tactics. Like, obviously be careful, but

842
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 6: this is not a reason that everyone suddenly needs to

843
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 6: be afraid that there's like a giant crackdown coming. They've

844
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Speaker 6: been doing this the whole time, and so far it

845
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Speaker 6: really hasn't Like it sucks, but it hasn't stopped Minneapolis,

846
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Speaker 6: hasn't stopped Chicago.

847
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Speaker 2: No, they're trying to intimidate you stop doing this, Like

848
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Speaker 2: that is the point of this agent walking by and

849
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Speaker 2: joking about how you're now a domestic terrorist. Yeah, because

850
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: that's not actually real. That is a way to scare

851
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 2: you into not showing up the U based on the

852
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: idea that if you do, they'll take a picture of

853
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Speaker 2: you and now you get added to this domestic terrorist database.

854
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

855
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Speaker 2: Is it possible that they're making like some kind of

856
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Speaker 2: catalog of pictures of protesters that they can maybe use

857
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Speaker 2: for reference in the future to build a case against someone,

858
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: or if they arrest someone, they can look to see

859
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Speaker 2: if they've been at previous protests. No, that's not impossible.

860
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Speaker 2: That is something that they've been doing for quite a while.

861
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Speaker 2: It's sudden that anti fascists to do against like Proud

862
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 2: Boys back in the day, where you just document a

863
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: lot of people at a protest and then maybe eventually

864
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Speaker 2: the information will become useful. Right, That is not like surprising,

865
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Speaker 2: but like I've seen some pretty outrageous claims going viral

866
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Speaker 2: that like after Preddy had this encounter with law enforcement

867
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Speaker 2: previously where they broke his rib that Preddy was then

868
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Speaker 2: specifically targeted in the following weeks, Like, there is no

869
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Speaker 2: information for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we have no evidence to prove that.

871
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Speaker 6: There's no information that this database led to him being

872
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 6: intentionally targeted by federal agents on the ground, that is

873
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Speaker 6: just speculation at this point. Yeah, there's no evidence of that,

874
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 6: and there's no evidence that this is like a new

875
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Speaker 6: kind of campaigna repression. And I want to be very

876
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 6: clear about this. If you are spreading this as a

877
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 6: you need to be afraid now because there's a new

878
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 6: thing that's happening. You are doing their job. You are

879
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 6: spreading the fear that this is an intimidation that this

880
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 6: is designed to do, so please stop doing this.

881
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think, like I understand that for a lot

882
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Speaker 7: of people, any form of activism is very new and

883
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Speaker 7: everything seems scary. But this is one of those times

884
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Speaker 7: when you need to check what you're doing because as

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Speaker 7: Mia said, right, this has the legal term is a

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Speaker 7: chilling effect. Right, Like the government generally courts a fan,

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Speaker 7: the government should should not do things that have a

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Speaker 7: chilling effect on first Amendment protected to speak. That's absolutely

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Speaker 7: what the government is trying to do. You don't have

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Speaker 7: to help them or not the government, but that particular agent,

891
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Speaker 7: I should say, acting at work, saying he's building a database, right,

892
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Speaker 7: that is what that is trying to do is to

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Speaker 7: have a chilling effect.

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean I would argue the government's also doing this,

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Speaker 6: you know, calling every legal observer domesti terrorists.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, I guess, yeah, fair enough.

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Speaker 5: So we should mention this just so we don't leave

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Speaker 5: it out. Although we don't have a ton to say

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Speaker 5: at the moment about this, but like the day before

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Speaker 5: we recorded this, on the twenty seventh of January, I

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Speaker 5: believe Elan Omar was doing a town hall in Minneapolis

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Speaker 5: where she is a representative, and was assaulted by a

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Speaker 5: man named Anthony James kashmir Zak, who was a fifty

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Speaker 5: five year old. He was carrying what looked like a

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Speaker 5: syringe but without a needle, just like a like a

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Speaker 5: large syringe, like the kind you'd used to like give

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Speaker 5: medicine to an animal or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, an irrigation syringe, right, and it.

909
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Speaker 5: Was filled with some kind of off brownish yellow liquid.

910
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Speaker 5: I don't think we know what it was. It apparently

911
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Speaker 5: was foul smelling, obviously, and he ran up screaming you

912
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Speaker 5: must resign, and sprayed some of it at her. I

913
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Speaker 5: don't know how much God on her. He was tackled

914
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Speaker 5: very quickly by a security guard. Omar seemed to be

915
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Speaker 5: squaring up and ready to fight him, which was you know, expected,

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Speaker 5: given like the kind of shit she's had to deal with, right,

917
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Speaker 5: she's had to be a very tough person. She doesn't

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Speaker 5: seem to be injured. I don't think there's any evidence

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Speaker 5: that the liquid or whatever was something that caused or

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Speaker 5: is likely to cause health issues, which I mean doesn't

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Speaker 5: make it not assault. It just I don't think she's

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Speaker 5: currently in any times you're thankfully. Yeah, there's been a

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Speaker 5: chorus of denunciations about the attack on her from a

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Speaker 5: bunch of other elected leaders. I know people have said

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Speaker 5: that like it's been ignored, but at least it hasn't

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Speaker 5: been from other people in the House.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot of folks, including some Republicans, who have

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Speaker 5: made comments on it, just because none of them like

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Speaker 5: the thought of having shit sprayed on them. I think, yeah, Yeah, anyway,

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Speaker 5: we don't know a ton about this guy and why

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Speaker 5: he did other than that he presumably hated illin Omar, right,

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Speaker 5: and that he wanted to get her to quit her

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Speaker 5: job or otherwise armor in some way. We don't really

935
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Speaker 5: know much about this guy. There's some people talking about

936
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Speaker 5: the fact that his kids seem to be on the left. Well,

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Speaker 5: he's clearly not. As if that's weird, it's not. If

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Speaker 5: your dad is the kind of crazy asshole who will

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Speaker 5: spray poison on elin Omar hit a town hall, I

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Speaker 5: can see how maybe you've become the opposite of him.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, that's about all we know at the moment.

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Speaker 6: I do want to mention Trump's comment on it, where

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Speaker 6: Abe's News asked Trump if you'd seen the video, and

944
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Speaker 6: oh yeah, Trump said, quote, No, I don't think about her.

945
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Speaker 6: I think she's a fraud. I really don't think about that.

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Speaker 6: She probably had sprayed herself knowing her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you said that like a guy he thinks about

948
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Speaker 5: her constantly.

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Speaker 6: Hey yeah, yeah, really hideous stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Producer Sophie here with a quick pickup, as we did

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Speaker 1: not have this information at the time of recording. This

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Speaker 1: is as of January twenty twenty six. Per AP News quote,

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department has charged a man who scorted apple

955
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Speaker 1: sided vinegar on Democratic Representative Omar at an event in Minneapolis.

956
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Speaker 1: According to court papers made public Thursday, the man arrested

957
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Speaker 1: for Tuesday's attack, Anthony kasmar Zak, faces a charge of

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Speaker 1: forcibly assaulting, opposing, impeding, and intimidating Omar. According to a

959
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Speaker 1: complaint filed in federal court, authorities determined that the substance

960
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Speaker 1: was water and apple cider vinegar. According to an affidavitkasmar

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Speaker 1: Zakh sprayed Omar.

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Speaker 6: With the liquid. He appeared to say, quote she's.

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Speaker 1: Not resigning, You're splitting Minnesota's apart end quote the affi

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Speaker 1: David says. Authorities also say that kasmar Zak told a

965
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Speaker 1: close associate several years ago that quote somebody should kill

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Speaker 1: end quote Omar quote. Documents say kasmar Zak appeared briefly

967
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Speaker 1: in federal court Thursday afternoon. His attorney told the judge

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Speaker 1: her client was unmedicated at the time of the incident

969
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Speaker 1: and has not had access to medications he needs to

970
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Speaker 1: treat Parkinson's disease in other serious conditions he suffers from

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Speaker 1: US Magistrate Judge Dulce Foster ordered that Kazmarzak remain in

972
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Speaker 1: custody and told officials he needs to see a nurse

973
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Speaker 1: when he's transferred to the Sherburne County Jail end quote. Again,

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Speaker 1: that is via AP News.

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Speaker 7: So I want to very briefly update people on Rejava.

976
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Speaker 7: The bfkey bassing for a whole episode. We will do one.

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Speaker 7: I've been in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of a lot going on right now.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and me you may have noticed, but this is

980
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Speaker 7: a very important right, Like, horrible things are happening. So

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Speaker 7: the STG that's a Syrian Transitional Government Ahmed al Sharha

982
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Speaker 7: Jiulani's government right and the SDF Syrian Democratic Forces which

983
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Speaker 7: includes the YPG and YPGA, the armed forces that defend Rashava,

984
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Speaker 7: have signed a fifteen day extension to their ceasefire. But

985
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Speaker 7: both sides are accusing the other of widespread violations of

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Speaker 7: the ceasefire. Both of them are right, like I've seen

987
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Speaker 7: a lot of videos of ceasefire violations. Ceasefire was internationally mediated,

988
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Speaker 7: likely by the US, and likely because of huge concerns

989
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Speaker 7: around the escape of Islamic State prisoners. There was an

990
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Speaker 7: attempted is suicide bombing in Iraq yesterday as we record this,

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Speaker 7: that's the first time I can remember one of those

992
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Speaker 7: happening in a while that the person was apprehended. But

993
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Speaker 7: the US, I know, has been transferring detainees from the

994
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Speaker 7: prison near Jusseka, and they're transferring them to US facilities

995
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Speaker 7: in Iran. Created it doesn't the prince of the detainees

996
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Speaker 7: is not the thing that is going to make the

997
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Speaker 7: US support their allies in Rasjavo or their former allies

998
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Speaker 7: in their SDF for I guess I should say now

999
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Speaker 7: that the US once again, it is not going to

1000
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Speaker 7: be a good friend to the Kurdish people. Trump has

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Speaker 7: also truthed that Iraq should not appoint Nurial Malachi as

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Speaker 7: its next prime minister. In his Truth, he said, quote,

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Speaker 7: I am hearing that the great country of Iraq might

1004
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Speaker 7: make a very bad choice by reinstalling Nuriel Malachi as

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Speaker 7: prime minister. Last time Malachi was in power, the country

1006
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Speaker 7: descended into poverty and total chaos that should not be

1007
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Speaker 7: allowed to happen again because of his insane policies and ideologies.

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Speaker 7: If elected, the United States of America will no longer

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Speaker 7: help Iraq. And if we are not there to help

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Speaker 7: Iraq has zero chance of success, prosperity or freedom.

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Speaker 3: Make Iraq great again, yess ch.

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Speaker 5: First off, I mean Molikey does suck.

1013
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Speaker 3: He's a really bad guy. Yeah, this is not like

1014
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: yay Malachi po. But this ain't the way to go

1015
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Speaker 3: about doing that.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean just the whole we will cut all

1017
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Speaker 5: ties and support to Iraq thing. When everything happening, there

1018
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Speaker 5: is still downstream of us fucking with them.

1019
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, we did this.

1020
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Speaker 7: We spent twenty fucking years killing people in a rack.

1021
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Speaker 7: Like you don't just get to be like oh yeah,

1022
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 7: and like the idea that we were doing regime change.

1023
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 7: But when the regime isn't and the one that we like,

1024
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Speaker 7: that people act and I was like, we're doing regime

1025
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Speaker 7: change again, Like obviously the whole thing was a fraud

1026
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 7: and a lie.

1027
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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, still is.

1028
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Speaker 7: Yeah, very concerned for my friends all the parts of

1029
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Speaker 7: Curtis dannergy. The peace process between the PKK and Turkeys

1030
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Speaker 7: is falling apart, and state violence in Iran is still

1031
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 7: absolutely repugnant scale right, Yeah, a pretty tough time in

1032
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Speaker 7: that part of the world.

1033
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Speaker 3: I thinking of them.

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Speaker 6: So finally, I want to give a brief update on

1035
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Speaker 6: my story from last week about this attempt to and

1036
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Speaker 6: FED independence and this att to sort of do an

1037
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Speaker 6: investigation into the chairman of the Federal Reserve. So earlier today,

1038
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Speaker 6: as we were recording this, we got the result of

1039
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Speaker 6: the Fed's vote about what they were going to do

1040
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Speaker 6: with interest rates. There's a whole episode about that. Go

1041
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 6: listen to that if you want air send what this is.

1042
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 6: But the FED, instead of cutting rates as the administration

1043
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 6: has wanted, has decided to hold interest rates at the

1044
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Speaker 6: same level, which was what was expected out of the

1045
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Speaker 6: Federal Reserve before Trump started putting even more pressure on them. However,

1046
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Speaker 6: we did not get any updates from anyone at the

1047
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Speaker 6: Federal Reserve about this Department of Justice investigation or any

1048
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Speaker 6: of the Trump pressure that's been being put on the

1049
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Speaker 6: Federal Reserve. So we'll keep you updated as the situation evolves,

1050
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Speaker 6: but all we got was a very normal interest rates

1051
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Speaker 6: are being held at the same level.

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Speaker 7: We will include our list of mutual aid fundraisers for

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Speaker 7: Minneapolis again in the show notes for this episode.

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