WEBVTT - Call It with Dan Bucatinsky 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:04.840 Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington, 0:00:05.280 --> 0:00:07.120 an iHeartRadio podcast. 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.040 Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call. 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.439 It crew, and welcome to another episode. This one's got 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:26.200 a little holiday, a little holiday feel into it. 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.159 A little holiday shimmy, a little shimmy shake Yeah, a 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.560 little sparkle sparkle le tie joy. 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.360 Who do we have on to talk about? One of 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:37.920 my favorite things? You guys, I'm addicted. You probably already 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:40.480 noticed to holiday movies, and we're gonna be talking about 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:40.920 one today. 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:43.720 We're gonna be talking about holiday movies. We're gonna be 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:48.480 talking about all of our favorite Grey's Anatomy episodes and 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:53.640 how Gray's Anatomy has done what it does so well 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.640 for so long with an actor. First he was an 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:58.720 actor on the show, and then he ended up becoming 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:03.960 a writer and simultaneously became a fan favorite, also as 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.160 an actor on a little show called Scandal. Yeah, I 0:01:07.200 --> 0:01:12.120 am so excited to bring on Dan Bukatinski. Yes, I am. 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:16.240 Hi. Hello, it's been too long. 0:01:16.800 --> 0:01:18.880 It's been too long. 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:20.479 We're talking about Grayson Aatama. 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:24.240 You guys, everyone, Dan was a writer and you acted 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:24.920 on the show too. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:25.959 You're on our show I. 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:27.640 Acted on the show before your character. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:32.800 I acted on the show season seven, no season six, 0:01:33.000 --> 0:01:33.800 I can't remember. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:36.759 I came season five, so maybe right after that. 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:40.919 I did an episode, and then two years later I 0:01:41.120 --> 0:01:44.160 joined the writing staff part time while I was acting 0:01:44.200 --> 0:01:44.760 on Scandal. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:46.600 Okay, and I just feel like we need to just 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:50.840 give this due respect. So we're talking to Dan Bukatinsky, who, honestly, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.680 I think I just knew of you because you are 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.880 one of the people that I would describe as multifaceted, 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.560 multi connected, and ubiquitous. It's sort of like Dan's everywhere, 0:02:02.640 --> 0:02:04.920 Like of course he is. He's of course, he's next 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.280 to you in line, you know, grabbing a juice. Of course, 0:02:07.320 --> 0:02:10.440 he's on set with you and now a writer. Of course, 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:12.639 he's at the fabulous party with his husband, having a 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.160 fabulous time with their beautiful children. 0:02:14.280 --> 0:02:15.760 Like you just were everywhere. 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:18.520 So then when you came to the show and then 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:22.360 we're acting, and then we were so excited to have 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:24.280 you around. But then you got to become an actor 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:25.840 a writer, I was like, I didn't even know that 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.960 you also wrote, So now you're writing and acting, and 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.960 I would just be so excited when you came to 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:34.440 set because we don't always get the writers on set 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:35.880 because you guys have to go to your room and 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:38.480 make the magic. But you were always, i think, an 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:41.600 acter favorite for set visits and being on set patrol. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.519 I feel like that's why they sent Dan out. 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:45.280 Yeah. 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:47.320 Yeah, because you wanted to Yeah, because you wanted to 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.960 do with you. Yeah, spilling the tea, coming up with 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:53.360 all our ideas and thoughts about all the shenanigans that 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:54.320 were happening in the world. 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.520 Yeah. Yeah, the lost of shenanigans, both on set and off. 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:03.240 But I also loved Look, I'm an actor first, writer second, 0:03:03.320 --> 0:03:07.560 but I've been writing for twenty five years, and the 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.720 opportunity to be on set and produce episodes either that 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:15.600 I was part of writing or that were other writers' stuff, 0:03:15.720 --> 0:03:18.560 but to connect with the actors talk about the work, 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:20.600 but also gossip about everything else. 0:03:21.040 --> 0:03:23.920 Yes, you know, we all have mutual friends. Camilla. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.600 I think I think I was there at the season 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:28.960 that introduced your character. 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.200 You were, Yes, you. 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:34.120 Were definitely there that season, so I just knew you. 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:36.320 Was like, yes, you were there, That's what I'm saying. 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.200 Good Jazz like for me, you were og like you 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.360 were one well We were one of the original writers. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:45.040 You were there and then they stole you. 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:46.760 Scandal stilly scandal stall. 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:49.720 Well, but I'm telling you writing on Gray's Anatomy for 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.760 hyper kondriac was such a bad idea. You know that 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:56.160 every morning is and that this is not that you asked. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:03:57.760 But I'll just tell you very quickly. We were a 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.800 writer on Gray's Anatomy. Every morning, six in the morning, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.200 you were at least back then, you would receive an 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.720 email called the Morning Medical. And the Morning Medical was 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.040 like the researchers would find some incredible, real story of 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:15.720 something that happened to someone for real somewhere you. 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.039 Know you hadn't even yet imagined could happen, and put 0:04:19.040 --> 0:04:20.320 on your worry list yet. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:21.560 No, and I had little thing. 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:22.400 You just had to add it. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.080 And so many of you were pediatric are you. 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.280 I don't remember what your specialties are as the doctors 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:30.760 that you are on the show, but so many were 0:04:30.800 --> 0:04:34.440 pediatric surgeons, so so many of the stories were pediatric 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.840 in nature. So all I would do is wake up 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.719 in a fit of anxiety, like, oh my god, now 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:41.599 I have that to worry about. 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:43.880 Yeah, yeah, that was That was pretty much me. You 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:45.480 can blame me for that. That was me back in 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:49.000 the day in Pedes and I it had the opposite 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:51.680 effect for me when the stories would come up because 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:54.440 I knew they were because because by the time they 0:04:54.440 --> 0:04:58.360 got to us they were fiction, I could just say, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:04:59.080 this is made up. 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:00.520 I didn't know you. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.200 I would just ignore the fact that it had come 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.200 from a real story, and I was right, this is 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.520 fake blood, and this is a fa this is an 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.400 actor playing a sick child, and so this is. 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.720 All make believe. I recently, like last year, I think 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:16.960 I did two episodes of Chicago med as you know, 0:05:17.000 --> 0:05:20.320 as somebody coming in through the er covered in blood, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.880 and I was just it was such an acid flashback 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:26.640 to being on set of Grays and knowing how the 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:29.440 donuts are made, but then from a completely different point 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.520 of view. It was very interesting. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:34.560 Is there an episode that comes top of mind for 0:05:34.640 --> 0:05:36.599 you that you loved so much being a part. 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:37.400 Of on Grays? 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.480 Yeah, there are a bunch. I mean, there's one that 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:42.440 I was involved in. 0:05:42.480 --> 0:05:43.719 My favorite that includes me. 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:50.599 Oh my god, it doesn't Dan, it doesn't have to 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:51.360 include Jess. 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.920 There were so many twenty fourth season times, the two 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:56.560 fifty episodes that I. 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.760 Was trying to help him narrow it down. Camilla, I know, 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.239 so if she just thought of me, if you focused 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:03.680 on looking at my face, damp. 0:06:04.120 --> 0:06:05.880 Listen, you know I love you and you know where 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:07.839 you were one of my favorites. Both of you were. 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.680 I mean, Camilla, I was just meeting for the first 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.039 time and you were like deer in headlights the whole 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.840 first the whole first season, you were sort of like, Okay. 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:16.360 It was a lot. 0:06:16.600 --> 0:06:19.320 It's a lot that that set is is not you know, 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:21.960 it didn't like her huge, Yeah, Jessica didn't like me. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:23.600 It was a huge ensemble. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.359 And you guys were so well established. It was an 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:30.240 intimidating and to be the new intern class and our 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.440 and our our fandom have very strong feelings about new 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.000 people on our show, you got to really win them over. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:37.719 You have to earn their trust. 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:41.320 You knew who intimidated me the most was working with Chandra. 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.520 And Sandra Chandra did not ever intimidate me. She was 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:47.279 so yummy to me. 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:48.040 Well she is. 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:50.839 She's the nicest and the yummiest, but she's so good. 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.320 Oh and like so she would say her lines and 0:06:53.320 --> 0:06:56.560 I wouldn't even know she was acting yet like i'd, oh, 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.440 we're starting, Like she's that good. I think I was 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:03.920 just intimid by by yeah, just yeah, she's just And 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:05.920 also she you know, as I've said this before, but 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.320 you know, Schandra knows everything. She knows she knows her lines, 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.880 she knows your lines, she knows where the props should be, 0:07:11.960 --> 0:07:15.320 she knows the orientation of the story where you are 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:17.040 in it, and so she just I was intimidated by 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:18.760 the fact that she knew it all. And Sandra, oh, 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:21.679 kind of the same way. Like Sandra's such a deep 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:25.960 she analyzes each script and she's got it all. Like 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:27.880 I mean, looking at her script was like a piece 0:07:27.920 --> 0:07:30.920 of art and also like a journal, like it was 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:35.280 so deeply like personal, and she just is the hardest worker. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:38.400 And I so, I mean, I mean intimidated or inspired, 0:07:38.400 --> 0:07:39.800 I guess, I guess. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.320 Both Sandra and I were in a movie together ten 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.480 years earlier called Under the Tuscan Son. We had no 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:49.120 scenes together in the movie, but we became best friends. 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:51.920 So then I was writing on Grays and we had 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:55.760 a shorthand. But her script was like dog hair, yeah 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.320 on every other page, with like thoughts, and it was 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:01.960 intimidating like as a writer even just to be like, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.240 all right that you're asking really good questions and we 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:05.200 need to answer them. 0:08:05.600 --> 0:08:07.400 Yeah, yeah, she really am. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.000 I think it helped me to be coming from both 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.400 points of view. I mean, I didn't love you know 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.680 how I wound up on a medical show given my 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:19.080 feelings about medicine in general. It was just crazy. And 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.560 then I wound up writing the most ridiculous episode based 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:26.800 on a true story about a magician who sawed his 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.360 assistant in half as part of the show, but actually 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:31.160 sawed her in half. 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.000 We're either of you in that episode. 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:35.680 Yeah, I was there. I don't know what I was doing. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:39.679 I didn't deal with that medical if I would. 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.600 The medical medical medical. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.240 Are you telling me that you did Scandal before you 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:44.040 came to Grace. 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.840 No, No, it was simultaneous. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:51.440 What happened. I did the first season of Scandal three episodes, 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.240 and I took a meeting with Betsy and Shanda and 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:56.959 Joan and Tony, the showrunners at the time, and they 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.040 were like, we want you to write on the writing staff, 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.319 and I was like, I'm excited about that, but if 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.720 there's any chance that this character is going to come 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:07.480 back on Scandal, I certainly don't want to shoot myself 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.000 in the foot, Yeah, and take this job and not 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.640 be able to do that, and she can. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.320 I guess what came next. You became like a fan 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:16.600 favorite on Scandal. Isn't that what happened next? 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.200 No, what happened next is Sean has said, we know 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.080 where to find you if you're at Gray, so I'll 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:21.760 know where to find you. 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:23.280 That's literally what she said. 0:09:23.520 --> 0:09:26.240 Oh so she just occupied you don't worry about it. 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:29.679 If you're going to consult on I was consulting anyway. 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.480 It was like, technically a consultant is like three days 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.440 a week, but you can work as many days. You know, 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:36.840 you work half days or full days or five days, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.760 and then you miss two days the next week. If 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.680 you're going to be consulting on Gray's, we'll know where 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:44.280 to find you. And season two they used me again. 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:48.160 And season two is when the show really exploded. The 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.920 audience really connected to it, the whole live tweet movement 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.400 at the beginning of season two, which got people to 0:09:57.480 --> 0:10:02.240 watch appointment TV Thursday nights for and I remember the 0:10:02.280 --> 0:10:06.320 fall of that year of season two, something had changed. 0:10:06.360 --> 0:10:08.720 I would be walking in New York and I felt 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:12.320 a visceral change that had I could not have predicted. 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.920 It was just like people were watching the show, and 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:19.400 people really responded to this kind of normal guy who 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:25.520 this monster Jeff Perry's character was married to. So I 0:10:25.520 --> 0:10:28.080 did both, and I just I bounced back and forth 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.120 all the time, and my character would get two scenes 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.200 in an episode and I'd shoot them out and then 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:33.719 I'd be at grace the rest of the time. 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:35.520 That's so you were, do you remember. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:36.480 I remember the. 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:40.480 Tgit happening right where the line up was all Shonda, 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.959 and that is just that whole thing explode. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:45.200 I mean that exploded. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:46.000 It did. 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:47.720 It took on a life of its own. 0:10:48.120 --> 0:10:50.120 And Scott Foley had been on our show, and he 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:52.760 was on that show. And I knew Carrie from like 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.040 early days, meeting her when we were all starting out, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.320 and I just knew her to be such a kind 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.679 and wonderful person. And then and I remember when you 0:11:00.720 --> 0:11:03.120 guys started doing the live tweeting because we weren't doing it, 0:11:03.400 --> 0:11:07.360 and we were like and then and then I had 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:11.080 to and you could see what was happening, and and 0:11:11.120 --> 0:11:14.800 then I also remember, I remember and I'm sure that 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:16.960 I attacked you with questions because I like, what is 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.640 going on over there? Because the skin everyone in the 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:26.360 scandal cast was like they were the happiest, most hard 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:31.920 working family, just family, and and it was so it 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.160 was I mean believing me. There was a moment where 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.000 I was like, this can't be true. This is too much, 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:38.400 is too much. I can't handle this, this is too 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:40.400 much nice, too much. I just love my job. I 0:11:40.480 --> 0:11:42.200 just love my job so much. I love working twenty 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:44.280 four hours a day. But it was actually true. And 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:47.040 I remember asking and like really really like putting people's 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.080 feet to the fire, like ones that I had real relationships. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.840 I'd like pick them off from the pack and be like, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:53.240 so really tell me what's up, Like you don't really 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:55.400 like them that much, right, And they'd all be like, 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:59.000 I love them, I love them, And I was like, okay, great. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:11:59.560 This is amazing. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:02.160 Was weird. It was weird. It was a it was 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.199 a kind of kool aid. I mean, I don't really understand. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:09.520 I credit I always say this, I credit carry with 0:12:09.559 --> 0:12:14.240 it because you really do. It does start there, always, yeah, 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:18.480 and then how that trickles down and the culture that 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:22.000 starts to form, and everybody was really grateful for their 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:24.600 jobs and the writing. The writing was really good and 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:27.040 the scenes that we got to do, and everybody was 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:30.680 very very close, even people who you know, Josh Molina 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:33.319 was a total prankster and he would come to set 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:39.640 like armed to create problems in a joking way, and 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.840 even he got and he's really cynical, and even he 0:12:42.880 --> 0:12:47.559 got sucked into the cult of Yeah, and we're all 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:48.360 still very close. 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:49.080 I know. 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:50.560 I was want to say, you can tell it's real 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.880 because years later you're not having to do a pressed 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:55.839 war together and like bullshit, it like you guys really 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:58.200 do still love each other. I mean, I saw Carrie's 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:01.520 picture for Halloween and she's like she did the challenges 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:04.640 for Halloween with the boys. It's so like it's you 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:06.320 guys are still so close. 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.760 We're very very close. And I'm close to people who 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:11.360 I never had a scene with in thirty episodes like 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:13.920 I did. I did thirty episodes of Scandal and not 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.199 one time was ion screen with Katie Lowe's and he 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:18.679 was one of my closest friends. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:35.400 She's great, she's great, she's great. Well you, I mean, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:38.199 you all got very lucky because for different reasons, when 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.200 we would do crossovers, or we would do press, or 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:42.120 we would do like the big photo shoots or whatever. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:45.880 I mean again, it just every single person in your 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:50.320 cast was so welcoming, so kind. I remember the very 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:54.080 very the most. The strongest note that I felt being 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:57.400 around you all was that everyone seemed so grateful and 0:13:57.440 --> 0:13:59.679 everyone was a grown up, right, Like everybody had been 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:02.200 on others shows, done to the things, and then they'd 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.200 come to this show like knowing who they were and 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.160 being really grateful for their job, knowing what it takes 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.680 to make a show a hit, which is no small feat. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:13.600 You hit it on the head. I mean, that's one 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:16.680 hundred percent what it is. I was in my forties 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:18.760 when I got that gig, and I had been in 0:14:18.920 --> 0:14:21.840 LA for twenty years trying to have that kind of 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.000 like trying to get a break like that. I was 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:25.640 just a guest star, by the way, for all twenty 0:14:25.720 --> 0:14:28.840 nine episodes, but I was so grateful for getting to 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.280 do that material. Jeff Perry had been on Grey's Anatomy 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:35.000 and he had been on series before, but was really 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.960 grateful to get to dive into that kind of material. 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.200 Everybody was a grown up and Grays forty seven years 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:49.040 ago when it started, you know, they were everybody. Everybody 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:51.360 as you know, and even Familie when you started, like 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.040 the whole premise of the show were interns. It's like, 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.680 you're getting people in their twenties, and how how a 0:14:57.760 --> 0:14:59.880 twenty seven year old is going to react to their 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.960 first big series regular role as opposed to a thirty 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:04.200 seven year old those supposed. 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.040 To a forty seven year old. Is it's just different. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.040 And you know there's been so much turnover, but what 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.560 do you credit the longevity of Grays too? Not that 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:16.120 I'm allowed to ask any questions, but I do want 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:16.640 you know. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.160 This is an equal opportunity streaming. 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:22.720 I think, you know streaming really I came on it 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:25.600 in season nine, right, and I think it just is 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.440 one of those shows that exploded and hit the other 0:15:28.520 --> 0:15:32.040 generations a couple I want to say, around season eleven 0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:34.640 or twelve was when I started to notice like, oh, 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.560 it's really it's really getting in fact, our numbers came 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:39.720 in today and we're in the top ten of streaming. Still, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.520 I think it's just hitting new generations. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:44.960 You're right, Hitting a new generation is the key, because 0:15:45.000 --> 0:15:49.080 after ten seasons, suddenly the nine year olds who are 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.040 now nineteen who want to binge Gray's Anatomy are your 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:53.840 new fans. 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:56.640 For the next twenty years exactly. It will live on forever. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.400 Well, so that's sort of more the business part of it. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.120 But I will that the magic of Grey's Anatomy is 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:06.320 is is. I was a fan first because I wasn't 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.040 on it, but I appointment television did. I watched it 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:10.800 on Sunday when it first came out on Sunday nights, 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.640 and then I got to be on it, and now 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:17.600 I am not on it, but I watch it from afar, 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.120 and I think that the magic has always been this 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.760 incredible circumstance of a world that has implicit incredibly high 0:16:26.800 --> 0:16:31.000 stakes because it's life or death every day, right, and 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:36.800 then these wonderful actors, these grounded, real, like incredible casting 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:38.760 by the way, speaking back, I mean when you say, Jeff, 0:16:38.800 --> 0:16:41.640 I can't not think of Linda. So it's like the 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:46.200 casting was always so phenomenal, these very grounded, very real actors. 0:16:46.640 --> 0:16:51.520 And then these high arching, crazy stories that were like 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.640 again the Shondaland roller coaster, right, the kind of storylines 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.720 that you see on soap operas, just like I mean, 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:02.400 unbelievable like, no way it be her twin sister. But 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.280 you're talking about sawing someone in half. That's a real story. 0:17:06.119 --> 0:17:07.240 We get to play with it. 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:10.240 Right, except what you're saying is totally true the balancing 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.640 act of some crazy medical story that like where you're 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.320 going to watch this group of people that you're already 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:20.119 invested in, like replace the heart of this person and 0:17:20.480 --> 0:17:22.879 the hearts I mean, I used to love the episodes 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:27.280 where the helicopter would land and somebody would hand the 0:17:27.760 --> 0:17:30.560 cooler with the organ and you'd run down the stairs 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:32.879 and you'd be in the elevator with the organ of 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.399 somebody who had to have that organ within the next 0:17:35.680 --> 0:17:38.480 eight seconds. And yet you're in the elevator with your 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:42.879 ex boyfriend and so suddenly that elevator ride, despite the 0:17:42.960 --> 0:17:45.520 medical tension and stakes. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:47.240 And music playing that you can't hear. 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:49.040 How can you didn't call me back last night? 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:55.160 Like the really e Merging that level of intimate, romantic 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:59.600 personal drama with real high stakes life or death drama 0:17:59.760 --> 0:18:00.600 is just genius. 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.640 Yeah, and we always have a new intern glass that 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:07.040 turnover is like it just it's fresh for new stories 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:07.560 and new love. 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.200 Interesting. Yeah, it's just it just works. 0:18:10.440 --> 0:18:12.879 My secret dream as an actor and has been for 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:16.159 Maybe it started around Grays. I want to wear a 0:18:16.200 --> 0:18:19.720 lab coat on a show so badly. I so badly 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.639 wanted to be a visiting doctor who then comes back 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.480 on Grays And of course, like my episode, I was 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:28.000 the spouse of somebody in the hospital bed. I was like, 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.000 how's that guy ever going to wind up? I was like, 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:33.320 wait a minute, maybe he goes off to college, gets 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.240 his medical degree, and he comes back in three years 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.040 and he's a doctor. But then I was on Scandal 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.520 and got murdered horribly and there was no way that 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.840 I was going to wind up in that world ever again. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.760 But it's there's something about playing somebody who can who 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:50.080 can get to do the duality of a love story 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:54.960 and the high stakes of life saving that's kind of aspirational. 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.560 We I don't know why you have decided that you 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.520 couldn't come back on. 0:18:59.480 --> 0:19:03.199 Our show because I played a character and like the 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.240 super fans are going to be like, that's the husband of. 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.879 The option, the husband left and when God, his isn't 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:13.200 the hole like in the world like you can't lay 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:15.560 I mean, no, this can't be the rule, because we 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:18.719 have meritiths you know, like we have people on both shows. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.359 If you're listening, Dan needs the lab coat. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.240 Dan wants to come in as a visiting dermatologist or 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:28.000 visiting surgeon in the areas of. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.520 Yeah, pitch it now, Dan there, I'm all for it. 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:34.520 Would I would love it with all my heart, especially 0:19:34.560 --> 0:19:35.680 to get to see you guys again. 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:37.680 Wait, just are you am? 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.560 I I'm not on it anymore, but were you? 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:41.480 Just? Weren't you? Just? Sorry? 0:19:41.520 --> 0:19:44.000 Yes, I went yes, I mean, listen, it's always going 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:46.600 to be I will always go back. Yes, I went 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:47.320 back last year. 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.600 Okay, I thought so, and it was so much fun. 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:52.719 It was so much fun. And also I got to 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:55.719 like rewrite my departure. I got to go back and 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.880 have a wonderful time. And not that I love that, Yeah, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:19:59.320 I love that. 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:01.879 And you know, it's just I have such relationships like 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.119 Kim Raver and I have been friends because I was 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.600 a writing producer on a show called Lipstick Jungle that 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:12.119 she was on on NBC in two thousand and eight, right, 0:20:12.200 --> 0:20:13.760 two thousand and eight, so four years. 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:15.440 Has also been everywhere. Kim's been on so. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:17.760 Many everywhere, Yes, Kim's been everywhere. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:19.800 I want to talk about I want to talk about 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.200 this holiday movie that you've done. Okay, because well, first 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:26.000 of all, I have eyeballs and ears, and so I've 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:29.160 experienced like Lindsay Lohan, and I watched every single moment 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.080 like her, all of all of her things. So she's 0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:36.840 in it. And then also Kristin Chenowith, who's just nice sister. 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:38.520 Did you get to work with her? 0:20:38.600 --> 0:20:42.600 Talk about suspension of disbelief. I play Christian's husband, and 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:46.240 we don't have a great marriage. I'll just spoiler alert, 0:20:46.560 --> 0:20:51.560 but this is like a fun Christmas rom com that's 0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:53.320 got a little bit of meat. The Fokker's in it 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:59.800 because it's all about this family Christmas reunion where the 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:03.520 parents played by me and Kristin chenow With have our 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:08.000 children grown children, come home with their boyfriend and girlfriend 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.359 and it just so happens that their boyfriend and girlfriend 0:21:11.920 --> 0:21:14.760 used to date and have the history. And that's Ian 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.720 Harding and Lindsay Lohan. So the show is really about 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.840 I didn't know this term until recently. 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.359 You know, meet cute, right. We used to write them asatomy. 0:21:23.680 --> 0:21:27.200 This is a meat ugly apparently when two people, when 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.640 two people have a history and they hate each other, 0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.440 and they were like, I never wanted to see you again, 0:21:31.680 --> 0:21:33.800 and they meet in a rom com it's called a 0:21:33.880 --> 0:21:34.400 meat ugly. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:36.120 I've never heard that term. 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:39.240 Well, it looks like from the trailer that Kristin plays 0:21:39.280 --> 0:21:42.879 sort of a yeah, like a little she's a little grumpy, 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:44.600 a little thorny, a little what does she She's got 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:45.280 some rough edges. 0:21:46.320 --> 0:21:51.480 She is not the nicest she she's not the nicest 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:55.320 most welcoming to Lindsay Lohan. And a lot of the 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.520 movie's tension has to do with Lindsay trying to stay 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.119 in her good graces. That's a big premise of the movie. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.919 And as my wife, she definitely puts me in my place. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:09.879 You know, Listen, I bounce around in the movie. I 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.040 appear here and there, and then I have this incredible 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.639 scene with a huge secret of my own, which is 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:16.719 not how which you think it is. It's not what 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:18.760 it's not even what I thought it was going to 0:22:18.840 --> 0:22:22.760 be when they it's a bigger secret than that. But 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.640 but it's a very fun movie where everyone in it 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.359 sort of is hanging on to something that you find 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:29.080 out by the end. 0:22:29.400 --> 0:22:31.040 Well, I cannot wait to watch it. 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:32.400 Well, this is wait. We have to say the name 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:32.480 of it. 0:22:32.600 --> 0:22:33.600 You don't even say the name of it. 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:40.040 Secret, Yes, secret on Netflix. I'm a sucker for Christmas movies. Dan, 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:41.320 I're still gonna tell you. 0:22:41.960 --> 0:22:42.800 And Lindsay Low. 0:22:43.000 --> 0:22:44.679 We do have to talk about Lindsay for a second. 0:22:44.960 --> 0:22:50.200 She's having this renaissance. Yes, she looks incredible. I fully, 0:22:50.640 --> 0:22:53.840 I was always a fan of Lindsay. I'm so excited. 0:22:53.920 --> 0:22:56.800 I feel like she's really back. 0:22:56.920 --> 0:23:00.000 She's doing amazing work. She looks incredible. She's always been 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:03.520 super talented her. I watched another Christmas movie of hers 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:04.040 last year. 0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:06.000 I like her voice. It's always like been kind of 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:06.960 like that gravelly like. 0:23:07.000 --> 0:23:11.239 Yeah, gravelly like smoky yea. 0:23:12.320 --> 0:23:13.320 I wish I was cool like that. 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:14.880 I love it so much. 0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.880 Jessica, you were in on Netflix Christmas movie Holiday with Kristen. 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:23.879 I was, and she was fantastic, so funny. She played 0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:27.000 my aunt Susan. She is such a hoot and holler. 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.879 And she's coming on the show too. And she cracks 0:23:30.920 --> 0:23:35.720 me up because we became dear friends. And then when 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:38.480 you're friends with Kristin Jenna with what ends up happening 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:41.399 is she does not text as much as she sends 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:46.080 me videos She sends me videos from all kinds of places. 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:48.679 Some places you would not you would not think someone 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:50.520 would send you a video from them, but she will 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:51.560 send you a video from them. 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:52.800 I know what you're talking about. 0:23:53.119 --> 0:23:56.640 Yeah, exactly. And she and she's always like, you're you're 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.679 my sister, and we need, honey, we need to do 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.280 a movie. Be together. We're gonna find something. That's how 0:24:03.280 --> 0:24:05.280 she talks to me, I know. And she'll tell me 0:24:05.280 --> 0:24:07.560 all about her day in detailed slab. 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.520 I get videos when when she's gone to sleep, she's 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.280 gone to sleep and the lights are out and it's 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:14.760 completely dark, and all I see are just like just 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:20.080 the hints of two little eyes. Hi husband. Yeah, I'm 0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:25.280 so tired because she works. She works like nobody. But 0:24:25.400 --> 0:24:28.199 we got very close. She's got the biggest heart of 0:24:28.280 --> 0:24:31.960 anybody on the planet, and we had a great time. 0:24:32.080 --> 0:24:33.480 We ad lived like crazy. 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.879 We really tried to feel what this completely dysfunctional marriage 0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:41.000 would really be like. And so there's little hints of 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.080 that throughout the movie. We had a great time. Tim 0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:45.640 Meadows is in the movie as well. This hilarious John 0:24:45.680 --> 0:24:50.359 Rodnitski is in the movie. Has my son and it's 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:52.600 it's really fun and Lindsay, I have to tell you 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:55.399 I also a huge, huge fan when you see the 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:59.320 work she did as a kid. Oh, I know, in 0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.040 the movie Trap. 0:25:02.359 --> 0:25:03.840 I just watched it with Hayden. 0:25:04.280 --> 0:25:06.760 I watch it. I think I've seen it five times. 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:10.560 I have two. But she's so talented, she's so innately talented, 0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.800 and so you know, now she's got a kid of 0:25:12.840 --> 0:25:15.959 her own, and she's really settled down, and it's really funny, 0:25:16.040 --> 0:25:17.960 and she was a delight. 0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:22.080 And you know what I mean just naming it, talk 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.960 about being a grown up. She's been through it, you know, 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.560 And I don't. I don't know because I haven't been 0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:29.239 following the press that she's done. I don't know if 0:25:29.240 --> 0:25:32.040 she's speaking to it. But I remember the like the 0:25:32.040 --> 0:25:34.880 meltdown days when just things. I mean, she had such 0:25:34.920 --> 0:25:38.600 a huge level of fame and attention on her and 0:25:38.840 --> 0:25:40.720 she was just trying to live her life. And life 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:42.960 can be real messy sometimes, and when. 0:25:42.800 --> 0:25:45.800 We see our twenties, eighteen to twenty eight is not 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.800 an easy decade. It's just not imagine the amount of 0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:53.439 scrutiny and having to answer to it and having it 0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:54.600 all played out publicly. 0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:58.040 It's just not no, and you're usually not peaking then, like, 0:25:58.119 --> 0:25:59.960 that's not when we're not that's not when we're peaking. 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:02.200 Now, those are when you're in the trenches. You want 0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.679 to be able to make mistakes. You just need it, 0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:05.359 not on the cover of People magazine. 0:26:05.400 --> 0:26:07.439 That's exactly right. You want to be able to make 0:26:07.480 --> 0:26:09.919 your mistakes and not. This is one of the reasons 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:12.680 I started this thing on Instagram. If you follow me 0:26:12.760 --> 0:26:16.880 on Instagram, I do this thing called Failure Fridays, which 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:19.520 is all about this idea that you know, social media, 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.679 since it's the beginning, has become the place for the 0:26:22.720 --> 0:26:27.000 humble brag, where you scroll all day long to see 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.800 people with bodies better than yours, and cappuccinos that look 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:32.080 better than yours, and the bread that's been baked better 0:26:32.119 --> 0:26:34.760 than yours, and awards and dresses and red carpets, and 0:26:34.800 --> 0:26:38.560 it's also fabulous, and it's easy to compare and despair. 0:26:38.960 --> 0:26:41.000 But the truth is, if we were to use social 0:26:41.000 --> 0:26:43.920 media a little bit more, all of us as a universe, 0:26:44.320 --> 0:26:48.880 to also share in our setbacks, our humiliations, our embarrassments, 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.040 and our failures, we would realize that the path to 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:57.199 success is paved with failures and embarrassments and setbacks. And 0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.800 so I started this thing failure Friday, where I encourage 0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:05.040 peopeople to comment tell their story post hashtag failure Friday. 0:27:05.200 --> 0:27:07.840 I have so many I'm so aware I start. 0:27:08.680 --> 0:27:09.560 That is part of the problem. 0:27:09.600 --> 0:27:11.280 Part of the problem is like, oh god, where I 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:15.840 have my parenting fails, my relationship fails, my professional fails. 0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.879 But the truth is all of them are also surrounded 0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:22.000 by these moments of triumph. And we don't all only 0:27:22.040 --> 0:27:25.080 triumph and we don't all only fail. It's just we 0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:29.240 can't define ourselves wholly by one success or one failure. 0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:33.640 And so anyway, I'm encouraging people to embrace their setbacks 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.439 and then the comeback is so much more lovely. Like 0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:40.240 I think there's so much goodwill towards towards Lindsay, maybe 0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:42.400 because her setbacks were all so public. 0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:58.960 I also think that if you're if you're if you're 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:06.119 really paying attention and you're failing and you're succeeding and 0:28:06.160 --> 0:28:08.600 you're honest with yourself and you're naming it, you have 0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.880 a far better relationship with the success and with the failure. 0:28:12.280 --> 0:28:17.520 So you you you can have the median be really 0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:22.040 nice and static. Okay, like you're always going to go 0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:24.359 back to Okay, you're gonna you're gonna get really high 0:28:24.359 --> 0:28:25.959 and you're gonna go really low. By the way, if 0:28:25.960 --> 0:28:29.560 you're not making mistakes, you're not trying, right, So you 0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:34.240 got to try and sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't. 0:28:34.440 --> 0:28:36.119 I mean, it's interesting. I don't know why, but to 0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:38.240 this morning, I was talking to a friend about that 0:28:38.320 --> 0:28:42.760 experiment they did with the with the Olympians, the study 0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:46.840 with the the those who win gold, silver, and bronze, 0:28:46.920 --> 0:28:48.280 and I don't know if you've seen it, but the 0:28:48.560 --> 0:28:53.360 greatest incidences of depression and suicide come from the silvers 0:28:53.760 --> 0:28:57.640 because they didn't they were they were just shy of 0:28:57.680 --> 0:28:58.400 being funds. 0:28:58.920 --> 0:29:01.800 I've written pilots that have been so personal to me 0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.520 and have been like I put my blood, sweat and 0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:07.080 tears in them, and when they don't move forward, I'm like, 0:29:07.240 --> 0:29:10.480 oh my god, I'm never gonna what's the point, what's 0:29:10.520 --> 0:29:11.000 the point? 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.240 Oh my gosh. And the sadness, I mean, I literally 0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.960 go boneless on the floor. I had what happened maybe 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.360 a year and a half ago, and it's the trailers 0:29:19.360 --> 0:29:21.959 are playing now and Camilla, how many times have I 0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:25.480 sent you like screenshots of like, Okay, I'm just gonna 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:28.000 feel I'm gonna feel my feelings right now between me 0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.000 and the girl who got it. I'm real happy for her, 0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:33.120 but I'm all sad for me and all the things, right, 0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:34.520 And that's the thing. Also, it's like you want to 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:37.000 recognize that you you were competitive, you. 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.160 Just didn't get it. You just didn't get it, because 0:29:39.160 --> 0:29:43.000 there's sometimes if you're like, well, I'm I lost, therefore 0:29:43.000 --> 0:29:45.040 I'm a loser. Therefore I'm not going to do this again. 0:29:45.080 --> 0:29:47.600 I'm not doing this again, Like you definitely won't get 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:49.680 another opportunity if you don't do it again. 0:29:50.240 --> 0:29:53.440 Yeah, right, Like you're dancing too, because I like this failure. 0:29:53.440 --> 0:29:56.600 Fridays is when you're scrolling right now, your own people 0:29:56.640 --> 0:29:59.800 are only posting the gold medal moments, right, and it's 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.200 actually getting kind of boring. 0:30:01.960 --> 0:30:04.640 Like in movies, you're rooting. 0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:08.760 For Rocky, right, Like Rocky isn't isn't like at the 0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:11.200 top of his game, He's is How boring is that 0:30:11.320 --> 0:30:14.120 story you're rooting for? Like the growth of being a 0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:17.000 rock bottom and working your way up. I think it's 0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:20.600 so cool to I like the failure Fridays. I think 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:22.240 that Jess and I have gotten. One of the things 0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:26.160 we've enjoyed about podcasting actually and doing this is that 0:30:26.240 --> 0:30:31.120 we've ended up sharing so much of our shit. Yeah, 0:30:31.120 --> 0:30:32.960 and it's been really therapeutic. 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:34.240 But listen, what you're doing. 0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.840 You're creating something that's a conversation that allows for that 0:30:37.960 --> 0:30:41.480 to be part of it, so something successful can come 0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:44.520 out of the conversation around something. 0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.320 Not so successful. It was very hard for me to do. 0:30:46.360 --> 0:30:49.719 I'll be honest with you, Like many actors and certainly 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.440 at my age, I'm very reluctant to let people think 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:56.880 that I'm flawed. I mean, obviously we all are. What 0:30:56.880 --> 0:30:59.000 I'm saying, Like, I don't want people to see I 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.680 wear spanks twenty four seven, Like I don't want to 0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:04.680 let my spanks out and let people see. And I had. 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:07.360 I did one failure Friday where I was like challenging 0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:12.520 myself to do five pull ups and I didn't make it, 0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:14.880 and I showed it on camera, and it's really sad 0:31:15.480 --> 0:31:19.440 and hilarious but really pathetic. But you know what, it's 0:31:19.520 --> 0:31:22.720 only motivating me to try to just get stronger and 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:24.000 eventually I'll be. 0:31:23.960 --> 0:31:25.680 Able to pull up up it. 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.719 I can do some I can do. I can do 0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:31.920 underhand hin ups, a lot of them, but the overhands hard. 0:31:31.960 --> 0:31:33.880 Are you kidding? It's very hard? But you could start 0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.040 them with the little assist thing, the little rubber bands. 0:31:36.040 --> 0:31:38.480 If you get them that, you know what I gotta 0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:39.400 I gotta start doing that. 0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.160 Because, by the way, there's another lesson. Sometimes you just need. 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.640 Help, yes, yes, advocate. 0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.280 Sometimes you can do the thing. You just need some help. 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:49.080 The thing. 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:50.280 You just need to ask for help. 0:31:50.400 --> 0:31:53.200 And it's not embarrassing to ask for help. It's not gosh, no, 0:31:53.320 --> 0:31:53.680 my gosh. 0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:56.800 I asked for help all the time my mother. I 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.360 don't know how this is possible going. I actually don't 0:31:59.360 --> 0:32:01.160 have it on films, so I might need to have 0:32:01.200 --> 0:32:04.040 it on film. My mother can do a five minute plank? 0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:07.320 What what? 0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:08.720 Yeah? 0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:09.760 No assist? 0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.120 No assist. Evidently no assist. 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:15.840 Oh that's incredible. Yeah, he course eel. 0:32:15.960 --> 0:32:18.360 I've gone back to the gym in the past, I 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.560 probably about two and a half months ago, with like 0:32:20.600 --> 0:32:24.040 real regularity. I'm holding myself accountable, and my goal is 0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.600 I want to do a five minute plank. And I'm 0:32:25.600 --> 0:32:28.160 just going to tell you right now, I haven't been 0:32:28.160 --> 0:32:29.480 out for the past two and a half months, and 0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:31.640 I'm I'm only a minute and a half. 0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:33.560 Yeah, but a minute and a half. 0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:36.080 You only have three and a half to go, exactly. 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.040 You started with five to go three and a half. 0:32:39.040 --> 0:32:41.600 And it's been like, it's been humbling, it's been all 0:32:41.600 --> 0:32:44.080 the things we're talking about. And obviously it's a silly example, 0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:46.200 but it's just, you know, the things that make you 0:32:46.240 --> 0:32:49.720 stronger but also remind you that you have room to 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:53.760 grow and and a weakness that needs to be developed, 0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:57.360 and also inspiration and you have help and all the things. 0:32:58.160 --> 0:32:59.120 I love talking you. 0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:01.120 I miss having you, and I like to tell your. 0:33:01.000 --> 0:33:03.560 Mom that I say hello. I'm not going to get 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:07.320 into it, but your mother was incredibly incredibly helpful to me. 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:11.120 I don't I don't you know what. I can't talk 0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:13.600 about it because I don't want to get choked. 0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:14.480 Up, but you'll start crying. 0:33:14.880 --> 0:33:19.120 We had we had a particularly rough period with our 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.560 You know, I'm the parents of teenagers now. They don't 0:33:23.560 --> 0:33:26.040 tell you what to expect when when you're expecting, is 0:33:26.040 --> 0:33:28.640 that eventually those babies are going to become teenagers. Don't 0:33:28.640 --> 0:33:29.160 listen to this. 0:33:30.400 --> 0:33:32.560 Oh God, I know I'm listening so intently. 0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:33.640 Dan, I'm like, tell me. 0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.840 Do we had some challenges in the teenage years and 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.520 and and you know, I've got we're two dads and 0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:43.600 navigating our daughter through those things. And your mom was 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:46.160 incredibly helpful to me. So please just tell her I 0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.160 say hello, and I hold that very close to my heart. 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:52.560 We love to talk about the unspeakable, which is. 0:33:53.200 --> 0:33:56.000 Oh, we've talked about it. I know where you're going. 0:33:56.160 --> 0:33:57.160 Anatomy of a lie. 0:33:57.600 --> 0:34:01.440 Yeah, oh gosh, yes we can. We can out to just. 0:34:01.440 --> 0:34:03.680 Tell you something I'm coming to you with. Like when 0:34:03.680 --> 0:34:06.760 I met my husband thirty years ago. He was taking 0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:08.799 care of a woman who was dying of cancer, who 0:34:08.840 --> 0:34:10.839 had lost all of her hair, and five of us 0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:14.160 came around, six of us galvanized around her for an 0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.879 entire year and took her to chemo and bought her 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:22.239 everything and paid her rent and bathed her and I 0:34:22.239 --> 0:34:23.719 mean horrible things that we did. 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:27.719 And it was all a lie. Good night, everybody. 0:34:29.880 --> 0:34:32.960 It was all I There's more than one person who 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:34.000 would do that one. 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:36.880 This is my point, is I met I met you 0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:38.680 know obviously, when I came back to the writer. When 0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:40.319 I came back to the writer's room of Grace to 0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:43.440 visit all my buddies in the year that I she 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:46.640 started on Grays the year after I left, maybe even. 0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:48.120 My slot went to her. 0:34:49.120 --> 0:34:51.400 And then I went into that right into that writer's 0:34:51.440 --> 0:34:53.360 room to say hi to Tia and the whole gang. 0:34:53.880 --> 0:34:57.480 And I met her and she was wearing a scarf 0:34:57.560 --> 0:34:59.640 on her head, and she obviously had lost had lost 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.040 her hair, and she really she did a number. And 0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:05.719 I was riveted by that documentary. Obviously I have a 0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:06.680 connection you met her. 0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.399 Was there any part of you that was like, she's 0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:09.960 a little she's a little odd. 0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:12.759 No, well, yes, yeah, she was a little odd. 0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:15.120 But never did you ever not believe? Did you? 0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:16.480 I mean, that's what I was saying when we talked 0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:18.319 about it. I said, there was never a moment where 0:35:18.360 --> 0:35:19.640 I would have thought to say, it's. 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.280 A perfect crime. People asked us that all the time, 0:35:22.360 --> 0:35:24.040 like how did you guys all fall for it? I'm like, 0:35:24.120 --> 0:35:26.920 fall for it? When will you ever when someone tells 0:35:26.920 --> 0:35:29.279 you that they have been diagnosed with cancer, would you 0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:31.719 ever say to them prove it? Yeah? 0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.440 I was a person if you make someone if you 0:35:34.520 --> 0:35:35.719 say that to someone. 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:38.239 Dan, did you find out did you find out the 0:35:38.280 --> 0:35:41.520 news that it was not true from the article or 0:35:41.960 --> 0:35:42.920 because of whispers. 0:35:44.800 --> 0:35:49.080 I'm very good friends with Christa and a lot of 0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:54.840 the gang, the Old og Original Gray's Anatomy folk, so 0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:57.879 I think I heard it from them first, but it 0:35:57.960 --> 0:36:00.400 was it was around the time that the article was 0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.960 bubbling up, so I didn't hear it early. I heard 0:36:04.000 --> 0:36:05.359 it around the same time. 0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.680 And you watched the documentary, and. 0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:09.120 I watched the documentary, and you. 0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:10.200 Watch all three parts. 0:36:10.480 --> 0:36:12.560 I sure did, and I have to tell you, I'm 0:36:12.719 --> 0:36:16.200 it's so it's so much more disturbing than what we 0:36:16.280 --> 0:36:21.480 experienced because it goes so far beyond that the illness, 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.319 like lying about the illness is like a fraction of 0:36:25.360 --> 0:36:30.160 what the larger story is. And it's extremely upsetting. Yeah, 0:36:30.360 --> 0:36:32.680 I and I and I to you, who had a 0:36:32.800 --> 0:36:36.279 very strong relationship, And I can only imagine, and I 0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.320 just know what. All I know is I can imagine 0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:42.799 because I experienced it also with somebody else. 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:46.200 That's insane that there's somebody else I did. We have 0:36:46.280 --> 0:36:48.400 talked about this a little on the pop before, but 0:36:48.520 --> 0:36:51.400 I said to Jess, it felt I went into the 0:36:51.440 --> 0:36:52.719 first episode. 0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.440 Not knowing what it was like. It came out and 0:36:54.480 --> 0:36:55.800 I was like, nobody had talked. 0:36:55.640 --> 0:36:59.280 To me about it, and I was like with my husband, 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:01.640 I just watch the first one and it was like 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.080 watching myself in a dateline episode. I had no idea 0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.920 how much I would be in it, and it was 0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:13.480 so jarring that I have not watched beyond. But it 0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:17.080 is interesting always to talk to other people. It's you know, 0:37:17.120 --> 0:37:19.840 it's not many of us that have were part of 0:37:19.880 --> 0:37:21.400 this insane story. 0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.080 I have compassion for those with mental illness. 0:37:24.200 --> 0:37:28.160 This particular one takes down so many people that I 0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.400 have a very hard time like drumming up the compassion 0:37:31.400 --> 0:37:34.399 only because I experienced it and I feel like nine 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:38.360 months of my life my compassion for another individual was 0:37:38.360 --> 0:37:43.920 was squandered. But that said, much like Munchausen, where you 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:47.959 are making yourself sick, actually making yourself sick in order 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:52.160 to get cared for, the lying about events in your life, 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:55.360 the lying about drama and or illness. 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.279 In order to bring people towards. 0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.040 You, is a phenomenon that is far more common and 0:38:00.120 --> 0:38:03.120 what we think, and it's very upsetting. 0:38:16.760 --> 0:38:20.239 You're talking and I was just reminded of something that 0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:21.880 I can't believe. I didn't talk about when we were 0:38:21.920 --> 0:38:27.600 talking about liars maybe, I don't know. Six or seven 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:32.920 years ago, Christopher got a message through some platform when 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:36.000 he was honest about a young woman who was dealing 0:38:36.040 --> 0:38:39.800 with a disease that was going to that she was 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.640 going to die, she was going to die soon, and 0:38:41.719 --> 0:38:43.759 her favorite show was Graise and she just wanted to 0:38:43.800 --> 0:38:46.879 talk to me, and so we got her number and 0:38:47.040 --> 0:38:49.040 I called her and I was on the phone with 0:38:49.040 --> 0:38:52.160 her for about forty five minutes because it wasn't just illness, 0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:56.040 but there had also been there had been abuse, and 0:38:56.080 --> 0:38:58.719 there had been and forty five minutes of listening to 0:38:58.760 --> 0:39:01.080 her and listening to her, and then we went to 0:39:01.120 --> 0:39:03.520 get off the phone, and she was saying that she 0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:05.239 was meant to die any day like this was she 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:08.279 was in hospice and it was happening, and she said, 0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.080 you know, if i'm here tomorrow, would you be able 0:39:11.080 --> 0:39:13.239 to talk to me one more time? And I said absolutely. 0:39:13.800 --> 0:39:17.239 So the next day I get messaged I'm still here, 0:39:17.480 --> 0:39:21.640 can you talk? I call her, We talk, and I 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:25.400 don't know what it was. At minute thirty two that 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.200 just was like something, there's just something off, like I 0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:31.239 didn't know what it was, but it's just something that 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:35.200 was off. And I ended it just like I had 0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.640 the day before, like I'm sending so much love and 0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.200 I'm so glad that I was able to be here 0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.440 for you. And I hung up and I called the 0:39:42.520 --> 0:39:45.560 person that in my life helps check on these kinds 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.320 of things, and I said, I just have a feeling 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:50.239 that this something's not right. I'm going to give you 0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:52.160 the phone number, and I'm going to give you all 0:39:52.239 --> 0:39:54.359 the documentation of how this came to me and everything else. 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:57.480 Full blown lie now. 0:39:57.600 --> 0:40:00.680 But guess what she got to talk to jess A Capshaw. 0:40:00.880 --> 0:40:05.480 Yeah, so bonkers, Dan, How did you find out that 0:40:05.520 --> 0:40:08.359 you're the person you were taking care of? 0:40:08.400 --> 0:40:10.720 How did you find out that that was not true? 0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:14.279 Not to plug something again, but I'm gonna plug something. Yeah. 0:40:14.640 --> 0:40:16.759 My book Does This Baby Make Me Look Straight? Is 0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.440 a story of how Don and I became parents. But 0:40:19.640 --> 0:40:22.160 chapter two, if you just listen to one chapter in 0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:26.719 the whole audiobook, chapter two, it tells you, tells you No, 0:40:27.040 --> 0:40:28.600 I'm not telling you to do that, because I'm going 0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.120 to tell you right now. But the chapter two tells 0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:33.680 the entire story of how I met my husband and 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.640 the circumstances of meeting this person and how we to, 0:40:36.800 --> 0:40:39.719 you know, and how it all played out. But in 0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:43.279 a nutshell, it's one of those things where as I 0:40:43.360 --> 0:40:46.480 was saying before, you never really want to check, because 0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:50.720 what kind of person would you be? The very things 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:53.800 that don't feel right to you, you just swallow and 0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:55.480 you think, I guess this is what it's like to 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.560 be with someone who has very little time left and 0:40:58.880 --> 0:41:02.200 as annoying as there be. And I mean, there were 0:41:02.239 --> 0:41:05.680 elements of this woman's life that were like, she's asking 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:06.359 so much. 0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:08.000 There's not one moment where. 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.880 She's ever like, guys, you go out, go to the movies, 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:12.919 don't worry about me, Just have a good night out. 0:41:13.000 --> 0:41:15.040 I'll be fine. I'll see you tomorrow. Like it was 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:19.120 never that, which I don't know, knock on wood, I've 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:20.080 never had. 0:41:19.880 --> 0:41:20.799 An illness like that. 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.840 But I know that I'm I know that I would 0:41:23.880 --> 0:41:27.000 want those around me who were spending time caring for me, 0:41:27.280 --> 0:41:29.960 who also I would love them enough. So there was 0:41:30.000 --> 0:41:33.839 an element about her that just bugged everybody. So six 0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:36.680 of us went to go see Manhattan Murder Mystery, which 0:41:36.760 --> 0:41:40.120 is all about people like it's like only merged in 0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.279 the building. Really the inspiration behind it, But it's all 0:41:43.320 --> 0:41:45.960 about this couple who live next door and they sort 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:50.160 of uncover a mystery domestically in their own home. They're 0:41:50.160 --> 0:41:54.879 not detectives. And we went to a restaurant afterwards, and 0:41:55.160 --> 0:41:57.240 I don't know how it happened, but we started talking 0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:02.680 and comparing notes about our this person's nurse that all 0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:05.160 of us have clearly met, and they're like, no, no, I 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.120 never met her nurse. Well, you're paying her. How did 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:10.840 you pay Tanya if you never met her. It's like 0:42:10.960 --> 0:42:13.319 I thought you were paying Tanya. So we started to 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.040 compare notes on a bunch of things that didn't make sense. 0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:19.560 She had lost her sight in her right eye, but 0:42:19.640 --> 0:42:22.520 she was always wiping both sides of her glasses. I 0:42:22.520 --> 0:42:25.200 don't know why I had to demonstrate that, and so 0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.880 we started to compare notes and then we were like, guys, 0:42:29.000 --> 0:42:31.799 this is horrible, but let's just like tonight, let's just 0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.080 do a little bit of like you call her mom 0:42:34.120 --> 0:42:36.600 and you find out whether she ever really played the violin, 0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.919 because she lied about about being a virtuoso violinist. That's 0:42:40.920 --> 0:42:43.400 the other thing. They all have sort of delusions of grandeur, 0:42:43.440 --> 0:42:46.160 which is another thing that Elizabeth Finch had like there's 0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:51.200 this grandiosity that goes along with I mean the balls. 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:55.120 It's crazy. But in one day, in a matter of 0:42:55.200 --> 0:42:58.800 eight hours, we were able to get confirmation that every 0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:02.080 single thing would been told was not true. And we 0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.040 confronted her and said, you can never you know, we 0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:05.560 can never speak to you again, and we put her 0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:11.080 in jail. She went to jail, huh for two months 0:43:12.520 --> 0:43:15.680 because we made a case of all the money that 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.840 we had paid to her, and she had extorted that 0:43:17.920 --> 0:43:22.320 money based on a fabrication. And there's there's a law 0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:24.960 depending on the city you're in, Like we were able 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.880 to file charges in Hollywood, but we couldn't in Beverly Hills. 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:32.359 So we filed charges that she had that we were 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:33.320 the victims of fraud. 0:43:34.239 --> 0:43:36.879 Yeah, oh my god, I have the cry. 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:39.960 This is give me he gbs that there are so. 0:43:40.000 --> 0:43:42.440 Many you think it's just one person that's like this, 0:43:42.640 --> 0:43:45.680 and the fact that there's three stories happening. 0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:50.440 It's just it's crazy and anyway, there's there's more to 0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.440 it than all that, but I'll spare it. 0:43:53.239 --> 0:43:55.800 We should have had you on with a liar episode, Dan. 0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:57.960 I know. 0:43:59.400 --> 0:44:01.799 The deep line as they tell well. 0:44:02.200 --> 0:44:05.160 There is a Christmas movie to lift our spirits. 0:44:05.880 --> 0:44:09.320 There's a Christmas movie Lindsey lohand Kristin Shanna with Tim 0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:14.720 Meadows Ian Harding, Netflix, November twenty seventh. Really fun. 0:44:15.040 --> 0:44:17.080 Oh my gosh, And we need to make Christmas movie 0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.719 to love. I'm such a nerd in our family. We 0:44:20.760 --> 0:44:23.600 print the holiday movie list and we laminate it and 0:44:23.600 --> 0:44:25.080 we put it on the coffee table. 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.480 By the family too, so we never are We're never. 0:44:29.400 --> 0:44:31.439 Without an inspiration or idea of what to watch. 0:44:31.800 --> 0:44:33.040 Well, this one's really unique. 0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:35.440 It's not like your cookie cutter rom com, which is 0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:36.440 one thing I love about it. 0:44:36.480 --> 0:44:38.080 I know, you know what, that's the most fun too. 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:40.960 But they actually weirdly become like they become a new normal, 0:44:40.960 --> 0:44:42.880 and they'll become a classic. My eight year old, by 0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:46.680 the way, decorated her room for Christmas before Halloween, so 0:44:46.719 --> 0:44:47.920 we're really in the spirit. 0:44:48.640 --> 0:44:50.880 Oh my god, I can't wait. Dan, this is like 0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.120 right up my alley. I love it so much. I 0:44:53.160 --> 0:44:56.080 live for all these movies. I cannot wait to watch. 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.560 Well, Dan, we love you. 0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:00.040 Please come on again, Sue. 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.239 Whenever you ask you. First of all, you guys are stunning. 0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:05.240 You both look so beautiful. 0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:07.880 We're on zoom and I know you're in your homes 0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:10.320 and whatever, but you both look so amazing. 0:45:10.440 --> 0:45:11.800 I can't wait to see you in person. 0:45:12.040 --> 0:45:14.520 Well, I don't have any of these awards that you 0:45:14.719 --> 0:45:16.479 have behind me, but. 0:45:16.480 --> 0:45:19.439 I know, I know, I know, don't even talk about 0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:19.920 the award. 0:45:20.000 --> 0:45:21.040 This is my zoom room. 0:45:21.080 --> 0:45:26.399 But here that's talking about That's that's no I would have. 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:28.560 By the way, I'd have it even closer. Dan, they're 0:45:28.920 --> 0:45:31.320 too far away. 0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.040 Little in fact, do you know that I haven't Emmy 0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:35.840 for what? 0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:36.720 I'm not surprised. 0:45:38.400 --> 0:45:39.520 Who did you steal it from? 0:45:39.520 --> 0:45:40.040 The capsule? 0:45:40.440 --> 0:45:43.080 Face was just like, I'm surprise. 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:47.000 Tell us, jess Jessica, what do you have a Emmy for? 0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:49.680 I'm gonna surprise you even put it in the background 0:45:49.680 --> 0:45:54.239 of my saday. I'm just going to tell you I 0:45:54.239 --> 0:45:56.239 haven't Emmy and I'll tell you another episode for what. 0:45:56.680 --> 0:45:57.359 I'm going to google. 0:45:57.640 --> 0:46:02.200 I'm you guys check. 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:07.920 We will by Dan and make a lab coat please 0:46:08.000 --> 0:46:13.919 for stat Okay, Dan, Bye, sending you all the love. 0:46:14.400 --> 0:46:16.280 Bye. 0:46:16.719 --> 0:46:17.040 Wow. 0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.080 He had a juicy story at the end. 0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:23.160 We couldn't let it stop and he knows Finchy. 0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:28.360 Oh, I know, well, we just we love Dan and 0:46:28.560 --> 0:46:30.960 we love a Christmas movie and it's he's part of 0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:34.480 the family forever. And I didn't know he knew your 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:35.120 mommy too. 0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:39.200 Well, she's another one. Just you don't know your mom, 0:46:39.360 --> 0:46:41.799 I know. Yeah, where are we gonna find her? If 0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:43.719 I had a dollar for every time someone came up 0:46:43.719 --> 0:46:46.319 to me and said, your mom did this, your mom 0:46:46.360 --> 0:46:48.520 did that, And I'm always it always makes me so 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:52.520 so so proud. Yeah, of course it's been. It's been 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:55.680 a delight to be with you and Dan. I'm not 0:46:55.680 --> 0:46:56.960 gonna watch that holiday movie. 0:46:57.160 --> 0:46:59.879 Yeah, And truly, I am such a Lindsay Lowan fan, 0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:01.120 our little Syncred. 0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:02.400 I'm rooting for Lindsay. 0:47:02.520 --> 0:47:04.359 She doesn't even need rooting for her. She's already doing 0:47:04.440 --> 0:47:06.560 I know. No, she's back, she's back. I'm gonna go 0:47:06.560 --> 0:47:08.040 watch our little Secret and I'll see you later. 0:47:08.400 --> 0:47:17.560 Okay, let's call it the end of the episode.