Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,
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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call.
Speaker 3: It crew, and welcome to another episode. This one's got
Speaker 3: a little holiday, a little holiday feel into it.
Speaker 1: A little holiday shimmy, a little shimmy shake Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little sparkle sparkle le tie joy.
Speaker 3: Who do we have on to talk about? One of
Speaker 3: my favorite things? You guys, I'm addicted. You probably already
Speaker 3: noticed to holiday movies, and we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 3: one today.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about holiday movies. We're gonna be
Speaker 1: talking about all of our favorite Grey's Anatomy episodes and
Speaker 1: how Gray's Anatomy has done what it does so well
Speaker 1: for so long with an actor. First he was an
Speaker 1: actor on the show, and then he ended up becoming
Speaker 1: a writer and simultaneously became a fan favorite, also as
Speaker 1: an actor on a little show called Scandal. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: am so excited to bring on Dan Bukatinski. Yes, I am.
Speaker 4: Hi. Hello, it's been too long.
Speaker 1: It's been too long.
Speaker 2: We're talking about Grayson Aatama.
Speaker 3: You guys, everyone, Dan was a writer and you acted
Speaker 3: on the show too.
Speaker 1: You're on our show I.
Speaker 5: Acted on the show before your character.
Speaker 4: I acted on the show season seven, no season six,
Speaker 4: I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I came season five, so maybe right after that.
Speaker 4: I did an episode, and then two years later I
Speaker 4: joined the writing staff part time while I was acting
Speaker 4: on Scandal.
Speaker 1: Okay, and I just feel like we need to just
Speaker 1: give this due respect. So we're talking to Dan Bukatinsky, who, honestly,
Speaker 1: I think I just knew of you because you are
Speaker 1: one of the people that I would describe as multifaceted,
Speaker 1: multi connected, and ubiquitous. It's sort of like Dan's everywhere,
Speaker 1: Like of course he is. He's of course, he's next
Speaker 1: to you in line, you know, grabbing a juice. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's on set with you and now a writer. Of course,
Speaker 1: he's at the fabulous party with his husband, having a
Speaker 1: fabulous time with their beautiful children.
Speaker 2: Like you just were everywhere.
Speaker 1: So then when you came to the show and then
Speaker 1: we're acting, and then we were so excited to have
Speaker 1: you around. But then you got to become an actor
Speaker 1: a writer, I was like, I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: you also wrote, So now you're writing and acting, and
Speaker 1: I would just be so excited when you came to
Speaker 1: set because we don't always get the writers on set
Speaker 1: because you guys have to go to your room and
Speaker 1: make the magic. But you were always, i think, an
Speaker 1: acter favorite for set visits and being on set patrol.
Speaker 2: I feel like that's why they sent Dan out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you wanted to Yeah, because you wanted to
Speaker 1: do with you. Yeah, spilling the tea, coming up with
Speaker 1: all our ideas and thoughts about all the shenanigans that
Speaker 1: were happening in the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, the lost of shenanigans, both on set and off.
Speaker 4: But I also loved Look, I'm an actor first, writer second,
Speaker 4: but I've been writing for twenty five years, and the
Speaker 4: opportunity to be on set and produce episodes either that
Speaker 4: I was part of writing or that were other writers' stuff,
Speaker 4: but to connect with the actors talk about the work,
Speaker 4: but also gossip about everything else.
Speaker 5: Yes, you know, we all have mutual friends. Camilla.
Speaker 4: I think I think I was there at the season
Speaker 4: that introduced your character.
Speaker 2: You were, Yes, you.
Speaker 3: Were definitely there that season, so I just knew you.
Speaker 3: Was like, yes, you were there, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Good Jazz like for me, you were og like you
Speaker 3: were one well We were one of the original writers.
Speaker 3: You were there and then they stole you.
Speaker 1: Scandal stilly scandal stall.
Speaker 4: Well, but I'm telling you writing on Gray's Anatomy for
Speaker 4: hyper kondriac was such a bad idea. You know that
Speaker 4: every morning is and that this is not that you asked.
Speaker 4: But I'll just tell you very quickly. We were a
Speaker 4: writer on Gray's Anatomy. Every morning, six in the morning,
Speaker 4: you were at least back then, you would receive an
Speaker 4: email called the Morning Medical. And the Morning Medical was
Speaker 4: like the researchers would find some incredible, real story of
Speaker 4: something that happened to someone for real somewhere you.
Speaker 1: Know you hadn't even yet imagined could happen, and put
Speaker 1: on your worry list yet.
Speaker 5: No, and I had little thing.
Speaker 1: You just had to add it.
Speaker 5: And so many of you were pediatric are you.
Speaker 4: I don't remember what your specialties are as the doctors
Speaker 4: that you are on the show, but so many were
Speaker 4: pediatric surgeons, so so many of the stories were pediatric
Speaker 4: in nature. So all I would do is wake up
Speaker 4: in a fit of anxiety, like, oh my god, now
Speaker 4: I have that to worry about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was That was pretty much me. You
Speaker 1: can blame me for that. That was me back in
Speaker 1: the day in Pedes and I it had the opposite
Speaker 1: effect for me when the stories would come up because
Speaker 1: I knew they were because because by the time they
Speaker 1: got to us they were fiction, I could just say,
Speaker 1: this is made up.
Speaker 4: I didn't know you.
Speaker 1: I would just ignore the fact that it had come
Speaker 1: from a real story, and I was right, this is
Speaker 1: fake blood, and this is a fa this is an
Speaker 1: actor playing a sick child, and so this is.
Speaker 4: All make believe. I recently, like last year, I think
Speaker 4: I did two episodes of Chicago med as you know,
Speaker 4: as somebody coming in through the er covered in blood,
Speaker 4: and I was just it was such an acid flashback
Speaker 4: to being on set of Grays and knowing how the
Speaker 4: donuts are made, but then from a completely different point
Speaker 4: of view. It was very interesting.
Speaker 1: Is there an episode that comes top of mind for
Speaker 1: you that you loved so much being a part.
Speaker 4: Of on Grays?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a bunch. I mean, there's one that
Speaker 5: I was involved in.
Speaker 1: My favorite that includes me.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it doesn't Dan, it doesn't have to
Speaker 3: include Jess.
Speaker 4: There were so many twenty fourth season times, the two
Speaker 4: fifty episodes that I.
Speaker 1: Was trying to help him narrow it down. Camilla, I know,
Speaker 1: so if she just thought of me, if you focused
Speaker 1: on looking at my face, damp.
Speaker 4: Listen, you know I love you and you know where
Speaker 4: you were one of my favorites. Both of you were.
Speaker 4: I mean, Camilla, I was just meeting for the first
Speaker 4: time and you were like deer in headlights the whole
Speaker 4: first the whole first season, you were sort of like, Okay.
Speaker 2: It was a lot.
Speaker 3: It's a lot that that set is is not you know,
Speaker 3: it didn't like her huge, Yeah, Jessica didn't like me.
Speaker 1: It was a huge ensemble.
Speaker 3: And you guys were so well established. It was an
Speaker 3: intimidating and to be the new intern class and our
Speaker 3: and our our fandom have very strong feelings about new
Speaker 3: people on our show, you got to really win them over.
Speaker 4: You have to earn their trust.
Speaker 1: You knew who intimidated me the most was working with Chandra.
Speaker 1: And Sandra Chandra did not ever intimidate me. She was
Speaker 1: so yummy to me.
Speaker 4: Well she is.
Speaker 1: She's the nicest and the yummiest, but she's so good.
Speaker 1: Oh and like so she would say her lines and
Speaker 1: I wouldn't even know she was acting yet like i'd, oh,
Speaker 1: we're starting, Like she's that good. I think I was
Speaker 1: just intimid by by yeah, just yeah, she's just And
Speaker 1: also she you know, as I've said this before, but
Speaker 1: you know, Schandra knows everything. She knows she knows her lines,
Speaker 1: she knows your lines, she knows where the props should be,
Speaker 1: she knows the orientation of the story where you are
Speaker 1: in it, and so she just I was intimidated by
Speaker 1: the fact that she knew it all. And Sandra, oh,
Speaker 1: kind of the same way. Like Sandra's such a deep
Speaker 1: she analyzes each script and she's got it all. Like
Speaker 1: I mean, looking at her script was like a piece
Speaker 1: of art and also like a journal, like it was
Speaker 1: so deeply like personal, and she just is the hardest worker.
Speaker 1: And I so, I mean, I mean intimidated or inspired,
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess.
Speaker 4: Both Sandra and I were in a movie together ten
Speaker 4: years earlier called Under the Tuscan Son. We had no
Speaker 4: scenes together in the movie, but we became best friends.
Speaker 4: So then I was writing on Grays and we had
Speaker 4: a shorthand. But her script was like dog hair, yeah
Speaker 4: on every other page, with like thoughts, and it was
Speaker 4: intimidating like as a writer even just to be like,
Speaker 4: all right that you're asking really good questions and we
Speaker 4: need to answer them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she really am.
Speaker 4: I think it helped me to be coming from both
Speaker 4: points of view. I mean, I didn't love you know
Speaker 4: how I wound up on a medical show given my
Speaker 4: feelings about medicine in general. It was just crazy. And
Speaker 4: then I wound up writing the most ridiculous episode based
Speaker 4: on a true story about a magician who sawed his
Speaker 4: assistant in half as part of the show, but actually
Speaker 4: sawed her in half.
Speaker 5: We're either of you in that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was there. I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 2: I didn't deal with that medical if I would.
Speaker 5: The medical medical medical.
Speaker 1: Are you telling me that you did Scandal before you
Speaker 1: came to Grace.
Speaker 5: No, No, it was simultaneous.
Speaker 4: What happened. I did the first season of Scandal three episodes,
Speaker 4: and I took a meeting with Betsy and Shanda and
Speaker 4: Joan and Tony, the showrunners at the time, and they
Speaker 4: were like, we want you to write on the writing staff,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm excited about that, but if
Speaker 4: there's any chance that this character is going to come
Speaker 4: back on Scandal, I certainly don't want to shoot myself
Speaker 4: in the foot, Yeah, and take this job and not
Speaker 4: be able to do that, and she can.
Speaker 1: I guess what came next. You became like a fan
Speaker 1: favorite on Scandal. Isn't that what happened next?
Speaker 4: No, what happened next is Sean has said, we know
Speaker 4: where to find you if you're at Gray, so I'll
Speaker 4: know where to find you.
Speaker 5: That's literally what she said.
Speaker 1: Oh so she just occupied you don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: If you're going to consult on I was consulting anyway.
Speaker 4: It was like, technically a consultant is like three days
Speaker 4: a week, but you can work as many days. You know,
Speaker 4: you work half days or full days or five days,
Speaker 4: and then you miss two days the next week. If
Speaker 4: you're going to be consulting on Gray's, we'll know where
Speaker 4: to find you. And season two they used me again.
Speaker 4: And season two is when the show really exploded. The
Speaker 4: audience really connected to it, the whole live tweet movement
Speaker 4: at the beginning of season two, which got people to
Speaker 4: watch appointment TV Thursday nights for and I remember the
Speaker 4: fall of that year of season two, something had changed.
Speaker 4: I would be walking in New York and I felt
Speaker 4: a visceral change that had I could not have predicted.
Speaker 4: It was just like people were watching the show, and
Speaker 4: people really responded to this kind of normal guy who
Speaker 4: this monster Jeff Perry's character was married to. So I
Speaker 4: did both, and I just I bounced back and forth
Speaker 4: all the time, and my character would get two scenes
Speaker 4: in an episode and I'd shoot them out and then
Speaker 4: I'd be at grace the rest of the time.
Speaker 2: That's so you were, do you remember.
Speaker 1: I remember the.
Speaker 3: Tgit happening right where the line up was all Shonda,
Speaker 3: and that is just that whole thing explode.
Speaker 2: I mean that exploded.
Speaker 4: It did.
Speaker 2: It took on a life of its own.
Speaker 1: And Scott Foley had been on our show, and he
Speaker 1: was on that show. And I knew Carrie from like
Speaker 1: early days, meeting her when we were all starting out,
Speaker 1: and I just knew her to be such a kind
Speaker 1: and wonderful person. And then and I remember when you
Speaker 1: guys started doing the live tweeting because we weren't doing it,
Speaker 1: and we were like and then and then I had
Speaker 1: to and you could see what was happening, and and
Speaker 1: then I also remember, I remember and I'm sure that
Speaker 1: I attacked you with questions because I like, what is
Speaker 1: going on over there? Because the skin everyone in the
Speaker 1: scandal cast was like they were the happiest, most hard
Speaker 1: working family, just family, and and it was so it
Speaker 1: was I mean believing me. There was a moment where
Speaker 1: I was like, this can't be true. This is too much,
Speaker 1: is too much. I can't handle this, this is too
Speaker 1: much nice, too much. I just love my job. I
Speaker 1: just love my job so much. I love working twenty
Speaker 1: four hours a day. But it was actually true. And
Speaker 1: I remember asking and like really really like putting people's
Speaker 1: feet to the fire, like ones that I had real relationships.
Speaker 1: I'd like pick them off from the pack and be like,
Speaker 1: so really tell me what's up, Like you don't really
Speaker 1: like them that much, right, And they'd all be like,
Speaker 1: I love them, I love them, And I was like, okay, great.
Speaker 2: This is amazing.
Speaker 4: Was weird. It was weird. It was a it was
Speaker 4: a kind of kool aid. I mean, I don't really understand.
Speaker 4: I credit I always say this, I credit carry with
Speaker 4: it because you really do. It does start there, always, yeah,
Speaker 4: and then how that trickles down and the culture that
Speaker 4: starts to form, and everybody was really grateful for their
Speaker 4: jobs and the writing. The writing was really good and
Speaker 4: the scenes that we got to do, and everybody was
Speaker 4: very very close, even people who you know, Josh Molina
Speaker 4: was a total prankster and he would come to set
Speaker 4: like armed to create problems in a joking way, and
Speaker 4: even he got and he's really cynical, and even he
Speaker 4: got sucked into the cult of Yeah, and we're all
Speaker 4: still very close.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 3: I was want to say, you can tell it's real
Speaker 3: because years later you're not having to do a pressed
Speaker 3: war together and like bullshit, it like you guys really
Speaker 3: do still love each other. I mean, I saw Carrie's
Speaker 3: picture for Halloween and she's like she did the challenges
Speaker 3: for Halloween with the boys. It's so like it's you
Speaker 3: guys are still so close.
Speaker 4: We're very very close. And I'm close to people who
Speaker 4: I never had a scene with in thirty episodes like
Speaker 4: I did. I did thirty episodes of Scandal and not
Speaker 4: one time was ion screen with Katie Lowe's and he
Speaker 4: was one of my closest friends.
Speaker 1: She's great, she's great, she's great. Well you, I mean,
Speaker 1: you all got very lucky because for different reasons, when
Speaker 1: we would do crossovers, or we would do press, or
Speaker 1: we would do like the big photo shoots or whatever.
Speaker 1: I mean again, it just every single person in your
Speaker 1: cast was so welcoming, so kind. I remember the very
Speaker 1: very the most. The strongest note that I felt being
Speaker 1: around you all was that everyone seemed so grateful and
Speaker 1: everyone was a grown up, right, Like everybody had been
Speaker 1: on others shows, done to the things, and then they'd
Speaker 1: come to this show like knowing who they were and
Speaker 1: being really grateful for their job, knowing what it takes
Speaker 1: to make a show a hit, which is no small feat.
Speaker 4: You hit it on the head. I mean, that's one
Speaker 4: hundred percent what it is. I was in my forties
Speaker 4: when I got that gig, and I had been in
Speaker 4: LA for twenty years trying to have that kind of
Speaker 4: like trying to get a break like that. I was
Speaker 4: just a guest star, by the way, for all twenty
Speaker 4: nine episodes, but I was so grateful for getting to
Speaker 4: do that material. Jeff Perry had been on Grey's Anatomy
Speaker 4: and he had been on series before, but was really
Speaker 4: grateful to get to dive into that kind of material.
Speaker 4: Everybody was a grown up and Grays forty seven years
Speaker 4: ago when it started, you know, they were everybody. Everybody
Speaker 4: as you know, and even Familie when you started, like
Speaker 4: the whole premise of the show were interns. It's like,
Speaker 4: you're getting people in their twenties, and how how a
Speaker 4: twenty seven year old is going to react to their
Speaker 4: first big series regular role as opposed to a thirty
Speaker 4: seven year old those supposed.
Speaker 5: To a forty seven year old. Is it's just different.
Speaker 4: And you know there's been so much turnover, but what
Speaker 4: do you credit the longevity of Grays too? Not that
Speaker 4: I'm allowed to ask any questions, but I do want
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 1: This is an equal opportunity streaming.
Speaker 3: I think, you know streaming really I came on it
Speaker 3: in season nine, right, and I think it just is
Speaker 3: one of those shows that exploded and hit the other
Speaker 3: generations a couple I want to say, around season eleven
Speaker 3: or twelve was when I started to notice like, oh,
Speaker 3: it's really it's really getting in fact, our numbers came
Speaker 3: in today and we're in the top ten of streaming. Still,
Speaker 3: I think it's just hitting new generations.
Speaker 4: You're right, Hitting a new generation is the key, because
Speaker 4: after ten seasons, suddenly the nine year olds who are
Speaker 4: now nineteen who want to binge Gray's Anatomy are your
Speaker 4: new fans.
Speaker 5: For the next twenty years exactly. It will live on forever.
Speaker 1: Well, so that's sort of more the business part of it.
Speaker 1: But I will that the magic of Grey's Anatomy is
Speaker 1: is is. I was a fan first because I wasn't
Speaker 1: on it, but I appointment television did. I watched it
Speaker 1: on Sunday when it first came out on Sunday nights,
Speaker 1: and then I got to be on it, and now
Speaker 1: I am not on it, but I watch it from afar,
Speaker 1: and I think that the magic has always been this
Speaker 1: incredible circumstance of a world that has implicit incredibly high
Speaker 1: stakes because it's life or death every day, right, and
Speaker 1: then these wonderful actors, these grounded, real, like incredible casting
Speaker 1: by the way, speaking back, I mean when you say, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I can't not think of Linda. So it's like the
Speaker 1: casting was always so phenomenal, these very grounded, very real actors.
Speaker 1: And then these high arching, crazy stories that were like
Speaker 1: again the Shondaland roller coaster, right, the kind of storylines
Speaker 1: that you see on soap operas, just like I mean,
Speaker 1: unbelievable like, no way it be her twin sister. But
Speaker 1: you're talking about sawing someone in half. That's a real story.
Speaker 1: We get to play with it.
Speaker 4: Right, except what you're saying is totally true the balancing
Speaker 4: act of some crazy medical story that like where you're
Speaker 4: going to watch this group of people that you're already
Speaker 4: invested in, like replace the heart of this person and
Speaker 4: the hearts I mean, I used to love the episodes
Speaker 4: where the helicopter would land and somebody would hand the
Speaker 4: cooler with the organ and you'd run down the stairs
Speaker 4: and you'd be in the elevator with the organ of
Speaker 4: somebody who had to have that organ within the next
Speaker 4: eight seconds. And yet you're in the elevator with your
Speaker 4: ex boyfriend and so suddenly that elevator ride, despite the
Speaker 4: medical tension and stakes.
Speaker 1: And music playing that you can't hear.
Speaker 5: How can you didn't call me back last night?
Speaker 4: Like the really e Merging that level of intimate, romantic
Speaker 4: personal drama with real high stakes life or death drama
Speaker 4: is just genius.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we always have a new intern glass that
Speaker 3: turnover is like it just it's fresh for new stories
Speaker 3: and new love.
Speaker 2: Interesting. Yeah, it's just it just works.
Speaker 4: My secret dream as an actor and has been for
Speaker 4: Maybe it started around Grays. I want to wear a
Speaker 4: lab coat on a show so badly. I so badly
Speaker 4: wanted to be a visiting doctor who then comes back
Speaker 4: on Grays And of course, like my episode, I was
Speaker 4: the spouse of somebody in the hospital bed. I was like,
Speaker 4: how's that guy ever going to wind up? I was like,
Speaker 4: wait a minute, maybe he goes off to college, gets
Speaker 4: his medical degree, and he comes back in three years
Speaker 4: and he's a doctor. But then I was on Scandal
Speaker 4: and got murdered horribly and there was no way that
Speaker 4: I was going to wind up in that world ever again.
Speaker 4: But it's there's something about playing somebody who can who
Speaker 4: can get to do the duality of a love story
Speaker 4: and the high stakes of life saving that's kind of aspirational.
Speaker 3: We I don't know why you have decided that you
Speaker 3: couldn't come back on.
Speaker 4: Our show because I played a character and like the
Speaker 4: super fans are going to be like, that's the husband of.
Speaker 1: The option, the husband left and when God, his isn't
Speaker 1: the hole like in the world like you can't lay
Speaker 1: I mean, no, this can't be the rule, because we
Speaker 1: have meritiths you know, like we have people on both shows.
Speaker 2: If you're listening, Dan needs the lab coat.
Speaker 4: Dan wants to come in as a visiting dermatologist or
Speaker 4: visiting surgeon in the areas of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pitch it now, Dan there, I'm all for it.
Speaker 4: Would I would love it with all my heart, especially
Speaker 4: to get to see you guys again.
Speaker 5: Wait, just are you am?
Speaker 1: I I'm not on it anymore, but were you?
Speaker 4: Just? Weren't you? Just? Sorry?
Speaker 1: Yes, I went yes, I mean, listen, it's always going
Speaker 1: to be I will always go back. Yes, I went
Speaker 1: back last year.
Speaker 4: Okay, I thought so, and it was so much fun.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. And also I got to
Speaker 1: like rewrite my departure. I got to go back and
Speaker 1: have a wonderful time. And not that I love that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's just I have such relationships like
Speaker 4: Kim Raver and I have been friends because I was
Speaker 4: a writing producer on a show called Lipstick Jungle that
Speaker 4: she was on on NBC in two thousand and eight, right,
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, so four years.
Speaker 1: Has also been everywhere. Kim's been on so.
Speaker 4: Many everywhere, Yes, Kim's been everywhere.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about I want to talk about
Speaker 1: this holiday movie that you've done. Okay, because well, first
Speaker 1: of all, I have eyeballs and ears, and so I've
Speaker 1: experienced like Lindsay Lohan, and I watched every single moment
Speaker 1: like her, all of all of her things. So she's
Speaker 1: in it. And then also Kristin Chenowith, who's just nice sister.
Speaker 1: Did you get to work with her?
Speaker 4: Talk about suspension of disbelief. I play Christian's husband, and
Speaker 4: we don't have a great marriage. I'll just spoiler alert,
Speaker 4: but this is like a fun Christmas rom com that's
Speaker 4: got a little bit of meat. The Fokker's in it
Speaker 4: because it's all about this family Christmas reunion where the
Speaker 4: parents played by me and Kristin chenow With have our
Speaker 4: children grown children, come home with their boyfriend and girlfriend
Speaker 4: and it just so happens that their boyfriend and girlfriend
Speaker 4: used to date and have the history. And that's Ian
Speaker 4: Harding and Lindsay Lohan. So the show is really about
Speaker 4: I didn't know this term until recently.
Speaker 5: You know, meet cute, right. We used to write them asatomy.
Speaker 4: This is a meat ugly apparently when two people, when
Speaker 4: two people have a history and they hate each other,
Speaker 4: and they were like, I never wanted to see you again,
Speaker 4: and they meet in a rom com it's called a
Speaker 4: meat ugly.
Speaker 2: I've never heard that term.
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like from the trailer that Kristin plays
Speaker 1: sort of a yeah, like a little she's a little grumpy,
Speaker 1: a little thorny, a little what does she She's got
Speaker 1: some rough edges.
Speaker 4: She is not the nicest she she's not the nicest
Speaker 4: most welcoming to Lindsay Lohan. And a lot of the
Speaker 4: movie's tension has to do with Lindsay trying to stay
Speaker 4: in her good graces. That's a big premise of the movie.
Speaker 4: And as my wife, she definitely puts me in my place.
Speaker 4: You know, Listen, I bounce around in the movie. I
Speaker 4: appear here and there, and then I have this incredible
Speaker 4: scene with a huge secret of my own, which is
Speaker 4: not how which you think it is. It's not what
Speaker 4: it's not even what I thought it was going to
Speaker 4: be when they it's a bigger secret than that. But
Speaker 4: but it's a very fun movie where everyone in it
Speaker 4: sort of is hanging on to something that you find
Speaker 4: out by the end.
Speaker 1: Well, I cannot wait to watch it.
Speaker 2: Well, this is wait. We have to say the name
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 1: You don't even say the name of it.
Speaker 3: Secret, Yes, secret on Netflix. I'm a sucker for Christmas movies. Dan,
Speaker 3: I're still gonna tell you.
Speaker 2: And Lindsay Low.
Speaker 3: We do have to talk about Lindsay for a second.
Speaker 3: She's having this renaissance. Yes, she looks incredible. I fully,
Speaker 3: I was always a fan of Lindsay. I'm so excited.
Speaker 2: I feel like she's really back.
Speaker 3: She's doing amazing work. She looks incredible. She's always been
Speaker 3: super talented her. I watched another Christmas movie of hers
Speaker 3: last year.
Speaker 1: I like her voice. It's always like been kind of
Speaker 1: like that gravelly like.
Speaker 4: Yeah, gravelly like smoky yea.
Speaker 1: I wish I was cool like that.
Speaker 2: I love it so much.
Speaker 3: Jessica, you were in on Netflix Christmas movie Holiday with Kristen.
Speaker 1: I was, and she was fantastic, so funny. She played
Speaker 1: my aunt Susan. She is such a hoot and holler.
Speaker 1: And she's coming on the show too. And she cracks
Speaker 1: me up because we became dear friends. And then when
Speaker 1: you're friends with Kristin Jenna with what ends up happening
Speaker 1: is she does not text as much as she sends
Speaker 1: me videos She sends me videos from all kinds of places.
Speaker 1: Some places you would not you would not think someone
Speaker 1: would send you a video from them, but she will
Speaker 1: send you a video from them.
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And she and she's always like, you're you're
Speaker 1: my sister, and we need, honey, we need to do
Speaker 1: a movie. Be together. We're gonna find something. That's how
Speaker 1: she talks to me, I know. And she'll tell me
Speaker 1: all about her day in detailed slab.
Speaker 4: I get videos when when she's gone to sleep, she's
Speaker 4: gone to sleep and the lights are out and it's
Speaker 4: completely dark, and all I see are just like just
Speaker 4: the hints of two little eyes. Hi husband. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: so tired because she works. She works like nobody. But
Speaker 4: we got very close. She's got the biggest heart of
Speaker 4: anybody on the planet, and we had a great time.
Speaker 5: We ad lived like crazy.
Speaker 4: We really tried to feel what this completely dysfunctional marriage
Speaker 4: would really be like. And so there's little hints of
Speaker 4: that throughout the movie. We had a great time. Tim
Speaker 4: Meadows is in the movie as well. This hilarious John
Speaker 4: Rodnitski is in the movie. Has my son and it's
Speaker 4: it's really fun and Lindsay, I have to tell you
Speaker 4: I also a huge, huge fan when you see the
Speaker 4: work she did as a kid. Oh, I know, in
Speaker 4: the movie Trap.
Speaker 2: I just watched it with Hayden.
Speaker 1: I watch it. I think I've seen it five times.
Speaker 4: I have two. But she's so talented, she's so innately talented,
Speaker 4: and so you know, now she's got a kid of
Speaker 4: her own, and she's really settled down, and it's really funny,
Speaker 4: and she was a delight.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean just naming it, talk
Speaker 1: about being a grown up. She's been through it, you know,
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't know because I haven't been
Speaker 1: following the press that she's done. I don't know if
Speaker 1: she's speaking to it. But I remember the like the
Speaker 1: meltdown days when just things. I mean, she had such
Speaker 1: a huge level of fame and attention on her and
Speaker 1: she was just trying to live her life. And life
Speaker 1: can be real messy sometimes, and when.
Speaker 4: We see our twenties, eighteen to twenty eight is not
Speaker 4: an easy decade. It's just not imagine the amount of
Speaker 4: scrutiny and having to answer to it and having it
Speaker 4: all played out publicly.
Speaker 1: It's just not no, and you're usually not peaking then, like,
Speaker 1: that's not when we're not that's not when we're peaking.
Speaker 3: Now, those are when you're in the trenches. You want
Speaker 3: to be able to make mistakes. You just need it,
Speaker 3: not on the cover of People magazine.
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. You want to be able to make
Speaker 4: your mistakes and not. This is one of the reasons
Speaker 4: I started this thing on Instagram. If you follow me
Speaker 4: on Instagram, I do this thing called Failure Fridays, which
Speaker 4: is all about this idea that you know, social media,
Speaker 4: since it's the beginning, has become the place for the
Speaker 4: humble brag, where you scroll all day long to see
Speaker 4: people with bodies better than yours, and cappuccinos that look
Speaker 4: better than yours, and the bread that's been baked better
Speaker 4: than yours, and awards and dresses and red carpets, and
Speaker 4: it's also fabulous, and it's easy to compare and despair.
Speaker 4: But the truth is, if we were to use social
Speaker 4: media a little bit more, all of us as a universe,
Speaker 4: to also share in our setbacks, our humiliations, our embarrassments,
Speaker 4: and our failures, we would realize that the path to
Speaker 4: success is paved with failures and embarrassments and setbacks. And
Speaker 4: so I started this thing failure Friday, where I encourage
Speaker 4: peopeople to comment tell their story post hashtag failure Friday.
Speaker 2: I have so many I'm so aware I start.
Speaker 5: That is part of the problem.
Speaker 4: Part of the problem is like, oh god, where I
Speaker 4: have my parenting fails, my relationship fails, my professional fails.
Speaker 4: But the truth is all of them are also surrounded
Speaker 4: by these moments of triumph. And we don't all only
Speaker 4: triumph and we don't all only fail. It's just we
Speaker 4: can't define ourselves wholly by one success or one failure.
Speaker 4: And so anyway, I'm encouraging people to embrace their setbacks
Speaker 4: and then the comeback is so much more lovely. Like
Speaker 4: I think there's so much goodwill towards towards Lindsay, maybe
Speaker 4: because her setbacks were all so public.
Speaker 1: I also think that if you're if you're if you're
Speaker 1: really paying attention and you're failing and you're succeeding and
Speaker 1: you're honest with yourself and you're naming it, you have
Speaker 1: a far better relationship with the success and with the failure.
Speaker 1: So you you you can have the median be really
Speaker 1: nice and static. Okay, like you're always going to go
Speaker 1: back to Okay, you're gonna you're gonna get really high
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go really low. By the way, if
Speaker 1: you're not making mistakes, you're not trying, right, So you
Speaker 1: got to try and sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. I don't know why, but to
Speaker 1: this morning, I was talking to a friend about that
Speaker 1: experiment they did with the with the Olympians, the study
Speaker 1: with the the those who win gold, silver, and bronze,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've seen it, but the
Speaker 1: greatest incidences of depression and suicide come from the silvers
Speaker 1: because they didn't they were they were just shy of
Speaker 1: being funds.
Speaker 4: I've written pilots that have been so personal to me
Speaker 4: and have been like I put my blood, sweat and
Speaker 4: tears in them, and when they don't move forward, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm never gonna what's the point, what's
Speaker 4: the point?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And the sadness, I mean, I literally
Speaker 1: go boneless on the floor. I had what happened maybe
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, and it's the trailers
Speaker 1: are playing now and Camilla, how many times have I
Speaker 1: sent you like screenshots of like, Okay, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: feel I'm gonna feel my feelings right now between me
Speaker 1: and the girl who got it. I'm real happy for her,
Speaker 1: but I'm all sad for me and all the things, right,
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Also, it's like you want to
Speaker 1: recognize that you you were competitive, you.
Speaker 4: Just didn't get it. You just didn't get it, because
Speaker 4: there's sometimes if you're like, well, I'm I lost, therefore
Speaker 4: I'm a loser. Therefore I'm not going to do this again.
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this again, Like you definitely won't get
Speaker 4: another opportunity if you don't do it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like you're dancing too, because I like this failure.
Speaker 3: Fridays is when you're scrolling right now, your own people
Speaker 3: are only posting the gold medal moments, right, and it's
Speaker 3: actually getting kind of boring.
Speaker 2: Like in movies, you're rooting.
Speaker 3: For Rocky, right, Like Rocky isn't isn't like at the
Speaker 3: top of his game, He's is How boring is that
Speaker 3: story you're rooting for? Like the growth of being a
Speaker 3: rock bottom and working your way up. I think it's
Speaker 3: so cool to I like the failure Fridays. I think
Speaker 3: that Jess and I have gotten. One of the things
Speaker 3: we've enjoyed about podcasting actually and doing this is that
Speaker 3: we've ended up sharing so much of our shit. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's been really therapeutic.
Speaker 5: But listen, what you're doing.
Speaker 4: You're creating something that's a conversation that allows for that
Speaker 4: to be part of it, so something successful can come
Speaker 4: out of the conversation around something.
Speaker 5: Not so successful. It was very hard for me to do.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, Like many actors and certainly
Speaker 4: at my age, I'm very reluctant to let people think
Speaker 4: that I'm flawed. I mean, obviously we all are. What
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, I don't want people to see I
Speaker 4: wear spanks twenty four seven, Like I don't want to
Speaker 4: let my spanks out and let people see. And I had.
Speaker 4: I did one failure Friday where I was like challenging
Speaker 4: myself to do five pull ups and I didn't make it,
Speaker 4: and I showed it on camera, and it's really sad
Speaker 4: and hilarious but really pathetic. But you know what, it's
Speaker 4: only motivating me to try to just get stronger and
Speaker 4: eventually I'll be.
Speaker 5: Able to pull up up it.
Speaker 4: I can do some I can do. I can do
Speaker 4: underhand hin ups, a lot of them, but the overhands hard.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It's very hard? But you could start
Speaker 1: them with the little assist thing, the little rubber bands.
Speaker 4: If you get them that, you know what I gotta
Speaker 4: I gotta start doing that.
Speaker 1: Because, by the way, there's another lesson. Sometimes you just need.
Speaker 4: Help, yes, yes, advocate.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can do the thing. You just need some help.
Speaker 4: The thing.
Speaker 5: You just need to ask for help.
Speaker 4: And it's not embarrassing to ask for help. It's not gosh, no,
Speaker 4: my gosh.
Speaker 1: I asked for help all the time my mother. I
Speaker 1: don't know how this is possible going. I actually don't
Speaker 1: have it on films, so I might need to have
Speaker 1: it on film. My mother can do a five minute plank?
Speaker 4: What what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: No assist?
Speaker 1: No assist. Evidently no assist.
Speaker 4: Oh that's incredible. Yeah, he course eel.
Speaker 1: I've gone back to the gym in the past, I
Speaker 1: probably about two and a half months ago, with like
Speaker 1: real regularity. I'm holding myself accountable, and my goal is
Speaker 1: I want to do a five minute plank. And I'm
Speaker 1: just going to tell you right now, I haven't been
Speaker 1: out for the past two and a half months, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm only a minute and a half.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but a minute and a half.
Speaker 4: You only have three and a half to go, exactly.
Speaker 5: You started with five to go three and a half.
Speaker 1: And it's been like, it's been humbling, it's been all
Speaker 1: the things we're talking about. And obviously it's a silly example,
Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, the things that make you
Speaker 1: stronger but also remind you that you have room to
Speaker 1: grow and and a weakness that needs to be developed,
Speaker 1: and also inspiration and you have help and all the things.
Speaker 1: I love talking you.
Speaker 2: I miss having you, and I like to tell your.
Speaker 4: Mom that I say hello. I'm not going to get
Speaker 4: into it, but your mother was incredibly incredibly helpful to me.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't you know what. I can't talk
Speaker 4: about it because I don't want to get choked.
Speaker 1: Up, but you'll start crying.
Speaker 4: We had we had a particularly rough period with our
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the parents of teenagers now. They don't
Speaker 4: tell you what to expect when when you're expecting, is
Speaker 4: that eventually those babies are going to become teenagers. Don't
Speaker 4: listen to this.
Speaker 2: Oh God, I know I'm listening so intently.
Speaker 1: Dan, I'm like, tell me.
Speaker 4: Do we had some challenges in the teenage years and
Speaker 4: and and you know, I've got we're two dads and
Speaker 4: navigating our daughter through those things. And your mom was
Speaker 4: incredibly helpful to me. So please just tell her I
Speaker 4: say hello, and I hold that very close to my heart.
Speaker 4: We love to talk about the unspeakable, which is.
Speaker 3: Oh, we've talked about it. I know where you're going.
Speaker 4: Anatomy of a lie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh gosh, yes we can. We can out to just.
Speaker 4: Tell you something I'm coming to you with. Like when
Speaker 4: I met my husband thirty years ago. He was taking
Speaker 4: care of a woman who was dying of cancer, who
Speaker 4: had lost all of her hair, and five of us
Speaker 4: came around, six of us galvanized around her for an
Speaker 4: entire year and took her to chemo and bought her
Speaker 4: everything and paid her rent and bathed her and I
Speaker 4: mean horrible things that we did.
Speaker 5: And it was all a lie. Good night, everybody.
Speaker 2: It was all I There's more than one person who
Speaker 2: would do that one.
Speaker 4: This is my point, is I met I met you
Speaker 4: know obviously, when I came back to the writer. When
Speaker 4: I came back to the writer's room of Grace to
Speaker 4: visit all my buddies in the year that I she
Speaker 4: started on Grays the year after I left, maybe even.
Speaker 5: My slot went to her.
Speaker 4: And then I went into that right into that writer's
Speaker 4: room to say hi to Tia and the whole gang.
Speaker 4: And I met her and she was wearing a scarf
Speaker 4: on her head, and she obviously had lost had lost
Speaker 4: her hair, and she really she did a number. And
Speaker 4: I was riveted by that documentary. Obviously I have a
Speaker 4: connection you met her.
Speaker 3: Was there any part of you that was like, she's
Speaker 3: a little she's a little odd.
Speaker 4: No, well, yes, yeah, she was a little odd.
Speaker 2: But never did you ever not believe? Did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I was saying when we talked
Speaker 1: about it. I said, there was never a moment where
Speaker 1: I would have thought to say, it's.
Speaker 4: A perfect crime. People asked us that all the time,
Speaker 4: like how did you guys all fall for it? I'm like,
Speaker 4: fall for it? When will you ever when someone tells
Speaker 4: you that they have been diagnosed with cancer, would you
Speaker 4: ever say to them prove it? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I was a person if you make someone if you
Speaker 5: say that to someone.
Speaker 3: Dan, did you find out did you find out the
Speaker 3: news that it was not true from the article or
Speaker 3: because of whispers.
Speaker 4: I'm very good friends with Christa and a lot of
Speaker 4: the gang, the Old og Original Gray's Anatomy folk, so
Speaker 4: I think I heard it from them first, but it
Speaker 4: was it was around the time that the article was
Speaker 4: bubbling up, so I didn't hear it early. I heard
Speaker 4: it around the same time.
Speaker 1: And you watched the documentary, and.
Speaker 4: I watched the documentary, and you.
Speaker 2: Watch all three parts.
Speaker 4: I sure did, and I have to tell you, I'm
Speaker 4: it's so it's so much more disturbing than what we
Speaker 4: experienced because it goes so far beyond that the illness,
Speaker 4: like lying about the illness is like a fraction of
Speaker 4: what the larger story is. And it's extremely upsetting. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I and I and I to you, who had a
Speaker 4: very strong relationship, And I can only imagine, and I
Speaker 4: just know what. All I know is I can imagine
Speaker 4: because I experienced it also with somebody else.
Speaker 3: That's insane that there's somebody else I did. We have
Speaker 3: talked about this a little on the pop before, but
Speaker 3: I said to Jess, it felt I went into the
Speaker 3: first episode.
Speaker 1: Not knowing what it was like. It came out and
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody had talked.
Speaker 3: To me about it, and I was like with my husband,
Speaker 3: I just watch the first one and it was like
Speaker 3: watching myself in a dateline episode. I had no idea
Speaker 3: how much I would be in it, and it was
Speaker 3: so jarring that I have not watched beyond. But it
Speaker 3: is interesting always to talk to other people. It's you know,
Speaker 3: it's not many of us that have were part of
Speaker 3: this insane story.
Speaker 5: I have compassion for those with mental illness.
Speaker 4: This particular one takes down so many people that I
Speaker 4: have a very hard time like drumming up the compassion
Speaker 4: only because I experienced it and I feel like nine
Speaker 4: months of my life my compassion for another individual was
Speaker 4: was squandered. But that said, much like Munchausen, where you
Speaker 4: are making yourself sick, actually making yourself sick in order
Speaker 4: to get cared for, the lying about events in your life,
Speaker 4: the lying about drama and or illness.
Speaker 5: In order to bring people towards.
Speaker 4: You, is a phenomenon that is far more common and
Speaker 4: what we think, and it's very upsetting.
Speaker 1: You're talking and I was just reminded of something that
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I didn't talk about when we were
Speaker 1: talking about liars maybe, I don't know. Six or seven
Speaker 1: years ago, Christopher got a message through some platform when
Speaker 1: he was honest about a young woman who was dealing
Speaker 1: with a disease that was going to that she was
Speaker 1: going to die, she was going to die soon, and
Speaker 1: her favorite show was Graise and she just wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to me, and so we got her number and
Speaker 1: I called her and I was on the phone with
Speaker 1: her for about forty five minutes because it wasn't just illness,
Speaker 1: but there had also been there had been abuse, and
Speaker 1: there had been and forty five minutes of listening to
Speaker 1: her and listening to her, and then we went to
Speaker 1: get off the phone, and she was saying that she
Speaker 1: was meant to die any day like this was she
Speaker 1: was in hospice and it was happening, and she said,
Speaker 1: you know, if i'm here tomorrow, would you be able
Speaker 1: to talk to me one more time? And I said absolutely.
Speaker 1: So the next day I get messaged I'm still here,
Speaker 1: can you talk? I call her, We talk, and I
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. At minute thirty two that
Speaker 1: just was like something, there's just something off, like I
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, but it's just something that
Speaker 1: was off. And I ended it just like I had
Speaker 1: the day before, like I'm sending so much love and
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I was able to be here
Speaker 1: for you. And I hung up and I called the
Speaker 1: person that in my life helps check on these kinds
Speaker 1: of things, and I said, I just have a feeling
Speaker 1: that this something's not right. I'm going to give you
Speaker 1: the phone number, and I'm going to give you all
Speaker 1: the documentation of how this came to me and everything else.
Speaker 1: Full blown lie now.
Speaker 5: But guess what she got to talk to jess A Capshaw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so bonkers, Dan, How did you find out that
Speaker 3: you're the person you were taking care of?
Speaker 1: How did you find out that that was not true?
Speaker 4: Not to plug something again, but I'm gonna plug something. Yeah.
Speaker 4: My book Does This Baby Make Me Look Straight? Is
Speaker 4: a story of how Don and I became parents. But
Speaker 4: chapter two, if you just listen to one chapter in
Speaker 4: the whole audiobook, chapter two, it tells you, tells you No,
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you to do that, because I'm going
Speaker 4: to tell you right now. But the chapter two tells
Speaker 4: the entire story of how I met my husband and
Speaker 4: the circumstances of meeting this person and how we to,
Speaker 4: you know, and how it all played out. But in
Speaker 4: a nutshell, it's one of those things where as I
Speaker 4: was saying before, you never really want to check, because
Speaker 4: what kind of person would you be? The very things
Speaker 4: that don't feel right to you, you just swallow and
Speaker 4: you think, I guess this is what it's like to
Speaker 4: be with someone who has very little time left and
Speaker 4: as annoying as there be. And I mean, there were
Speaker 4: elements of this woman's life that were like, she's asking
Speaker 4: so much.
Speaker 5: There's not one moment where.
Speaker 4: She's ever like, guys, you go out, go to the movies,
Speaker 4: don't worry about me, Just have a good night out.
Speaker 4: I'll be fine. I'll see you tomorrow. Like it was
Speaker 4: never that, which I don't know, knock on wood, I've
Speaker 4: never had.
Speaker 5: An illness like that.
Speaker 4: But I know that I'm I know that I would
Speaker 4: want those around me who were spending time caring for me,
Speaker 4: who also I would love them enough. So there was
Speaker 4: an element about her that just bugged everybody. So six
Speaker 4: of us went to go see Manhattan Murder Mystery, which
Speaker 4: is all about people like it's like only merged in
Speaker 4: the building. Really the inspiration behind it, But it's all
Speaker 4: about this couple who live next door and they sort
Speaker 4: of uncover a mystery domestically in their own home. They're
Speaker 4: not detectives. And we went to a restaurant afterwards, and
Speaker 4: I don't know how it happened, but we started talking
Speaker 4: and comparing notes about our this person's nurse that all
Speaker 4: of us have clearly met, and they're like, no, no, I
Speaker 4: never met her nurse. Well, you're paying her. How did
Speaker 4: you pay Tanya if you never met her. It's like
Speaker 4: I thought you were paying Tanya. So we started to
Speaker 4: compare notes on a bunch of things that didn't make sense.
Speaker 4: She had lost her sight in her right eye, but
Speaker 4: she was always wiping both sides of her glasses. I
Speaker 4: don't know why I had to demonstrate that, and so
Speaker 4: we started to compare notes and then we were like, guys,
Speaker 4: this is horrible, but let's just like tonight, let's just
Speaker 4: do a little bit of like you call her mom
Speaker 4: and you find out whether she ever really played the violin,
Speaker 4: because she lied about about being a virtuoso violinist. That's
Speaker 4: the other thing. They all have sort of delusions of grandeur,
Speaker 4: which is another thing that Elizabeth Finch had like there's
Speaker 4: this grandiosity that goes along with I mean the balls.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. But in one day, in a matter of
Speaker 4: eight hours, we were able to get confirmation that every
Speaker 4: single thing would been told was not true. And we
Speaker 4: confronted her and said, you can never you know, we
Speaker 4: can never speak to you again, and we put her
Speaker 4: in jail. She went to jail, huh for two months
Speaker 4: because we made a case of all the money that
Speaker 4: we had paid to her, and she had extorted that
Speaker 4: money based on a fabrication. And there's there's a law
Speaker 4: depending on the city you're in, Like we were able
Speaker 4: to file charges in Hollywood, but we couldn't in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 4: So we filed charges that she had that we were
Speaker 4: the victims of fraud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I have the cry.
Speaker 1: This is give me he gbs that there are so.
Speaker 3: Many you think it's just one person that's like this,
Speaker 3: and the fact that there's three stories happening.
Speaker 4: It's just it's crazy and anyway, there's there's more to
Speaker 4: it than all that, but I'll spare it.
Speaker 2: We should have had you on with a liar episode, Dan.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: The deep line as they tell well.
Speaker 2: There is a Christmas movie to lift our spirits.
Speaker 4: There's a Christmas movie Lindsey lohand Kristin Shanna with Tim
Speaker 4: Meadows Ian Harding, Netflix, November twenty seventh. Really fun.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And we need to make Christmas movie
Speaker 1: to love. I'm such a nerd in our family. We
Speaker 1: print the holiday movie list and we laminate it and
Speaker 1: we put it on the coffee table.
Speaker 2: By the family too, so we never are We're never.
Speaker 1: Without an inspiration or idea of what to watch.
Speaker 5: Well, this one's really unique.
Speaker 4: It's not like your cookie cutter rom com, which is
Speaker 4: one thing I love about it.
Speaker 1: I know, you know what, that's the most fun too.
Speaker 1: But they actually weirdly become like they become a new normal,
Speaker 1: and they'll become a classic. My eight year old, by
Speaker 1: the way, decorated her room for Christmas before Halloween, so
Speaker 1: we're really in the spirit.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't wait. Dan, this is like
Speaker 3: right up my alley. I love it so much. I
Speaker 3: live for all these movies. I cannot wait to watch.
Speaker 2: Well, Dan, we love you.
Speaker 1: Please come on again, Sue.
Speaker 5: Whenever you ask you. First of all, you guys are stunning.
Speaker 5: You both look so beautiful.
Speaker 4: We're on zoom and I know you're in your homes
Speaker 4: and whatever, but you both look so amazing.
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see you in person.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have any of these awards that you
Speaker 3: have behind me, but.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, don't even talk about
Speaker 1: the award.
Speaker 4: This is my zoom room.
Speaker 5: But here that's talking about That's that's no I would have.
Speaker 2: By the way, I'd have it even closer. Dan, they're
Speaker 2: too far away.
Speaker 1: Little in fact, do you know that I haven't Emmy
Speaker 1: for what?
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised.
Speaker 2: Who did you steal it from?
Speaker 1: The capsule?
Speaker 4: Face was just like, I'm surprise.
Speaker 2: Tell us, jess Jessica, what do you have a Emmy for?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna surprise you even put it in the background
Speaker 1: of my saday. I'm just going to tell you I
Speaker 1: haven't Emmy and I'll tell you another episode for what.
Speaker 4: I'm going to google.
Speaker 5: I'm you guys check.
Speaker 6: We will by Dan and make a lab coat please
Speaker 6: for stat Okay, Dan, Bye, sending you all the love.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: He had a juicy story at the end.
Speaker 1: We couldn't let it stop and he knows Finchy.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, well, we just we love Dan and
Speaker 3: we love a Christmas movie and it's he's part of
Speaker 3: the family forever. And I didn't know he knew your
Speaker 3: mommy too.
Speaker 1: Well, she's another one. Just you don't know your mom,
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, where are we gonna find her? If
Speaker 1: I had a dollar for every time someone came up
Speaker 1: to me and said, your mom did this, your mom
Speaker 1: did that, And I'm always it always makes me so
Speaker 1: so so proud. Yeah, of course it's been. It's been
Speaker 1: a delight to be with you and Dan. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna watch that holiday movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And truly, I am such a Lindsay Lowan fan,
Speaker 3: our little Syncred.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Lindsay.
Speaker 1: She doesn't even need rooting for her. She's already doing
Speaker 1: I know. No, she's back, she's back. I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: watch our little Secret and I'll see you later.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's call it the end of the episode.