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Speaker 1: Call It what It Is with Jessica Capshaw and Camil Luddington,

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Speaker 1: an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello Call.

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Speaker 3: It crew, and welcome to another episode. This one's got

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Speaker 3: a little holiday, a little holiday feel into it.

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Speaker 1: A little holiday shimmy, a little shimmy shake Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: little sparkle sparkle le tie joy.

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Speaker 3: Who do we have on to talk about? One of

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Speaker 3: my favorite things? You guys, I'm addicted. You probably already

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Speaker 3: noticed to holiday movies, and we're gonna be talking about

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Speaker 3: one today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be talking about holiday movies. We're gonna be

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Speaker 1: talking about all of our favorite Grey's Anatomy episodes and

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Speaker 1: how Gray's Anatomy has done what it does so well

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Speaker 1: for so long with an actor. First he was an

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Speaker 1: actor on the show, and then he ended up becoming

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Speaker 1: a writer and simultaneously became a fan favorite, also as

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Speaker 1: an actor on a little show called Scandal. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: am so excited to bring on Dan Bukatinski. Yes, I am.

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Speaker 4: Hi. Hello, it's been too long.

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Speaker 1: It's been too long.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about Grayson Aatama.

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Speaker 3: You guys, everyone, Dan was a writer and you acted

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Speaker 3: on the show too.

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Speaker 1: You're on our show I.

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Speaker 5: Acted on the show before your character.

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Speaker 4: I acted on the show season seven, no season six,

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Speaker 4: I can't remember.

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Speaker 1: I came season five, so maybe right after that.

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Speaker 4: I did an episode, and then two years later I

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Speaker 4: joined the writing staff part time while I was acting

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Speaker 4: on Scandal.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I just feel like we need to just

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Speaker 1: give this due respect. So we're talking to Dan Bukatinsky, who, honestly,

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Speaker 1: I think I just knew of you because you are

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Speaker 1: one of the people that I would describe as multifaceted,

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Speaker 1: multi connected, and ubiquitous. It's sort of like Dan's everywhere,

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Speaker 1: Like of course he is. He's of course, he's next

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Speaker 1: to you in line, you know, grabbing a juice. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he's on set with you and now a writer. Of course,

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Speaker 1: he's at the fabulous party with his husband, having a

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Speaker 1: fabulous time with their beautiful children.

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Speaker 2: Like you just were everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So then when you came to the show and then

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Speaker 1: we're acting, and then we were so excited to have

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Speaker 1: you around. But then you got to become an actor

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Speaker 1: a writer, I was like, I didn't even know that

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Speaker 1: you also wrote, So now you're writing and acting, and

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Speaker 1: I would just be so excited when you came to

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Speaker 1: set because we don't always get the writers on set

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Speaker 1: because you guys have to go to your room and

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Speaker 1: make the magic. But you were always, i think, an

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Speaker 1: acter favorite for set visits and being on set patrol.

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Speaker 2: I feel like that's why they sent Dan out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you wanted to Yeah, because you wanted to

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Speaker 1: do with you. Yeah, spilling the tea, coming up with

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Speaker 1: all our ideas and thoughts about all the shenanigans that

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Speaker 4: But I also loved Look, I'm an actor first, writer second,

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Speaker 4: but I've been writing for twenty five years, and the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to be on set and produce episodes either that

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Speaker 4: I was part of writing or that were other writers' stuff,

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Speaker 5: Yes, you know, we all have mutual friends. Camilla.

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Speaker 4: I think I think I was there at the season

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Speaker 2: You were, Yes, you.

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Speaker 3: Were definitely there that season, so I just knew you.

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Speaker 3: Was like, yes, you were there, That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Good Jazz like for me, you were og like you

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Speaker 3: were one well We were one of the original writers.

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Speaker 3: You were there and then they stole you.

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Speaker 1: Scandal stilly scandal stall.

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Speaker 4: Well, but I'm telling you writing on Gray's Anatomy for

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Speaker 4: But I'll just tell you very quickly. We were a

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Speaker 4: like the researchers would find some incredible, real story of

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Speaker 5: No, and I had little thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was That was pretty much me. You

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Speaker 1: I would just ignore the fact that it had come

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Speaker 4: All make believe. I recently, like last year, I think

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Speaker 1: Is there an episode that comes top of mind for

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are a bunch. I mean, there's one that

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, it doesn't Dan, it doesn't have to

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Speaker 4: There were so many twenty fourth season times, the two

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Speaker 1: Was trying to help him narrow it down. Camilla, I know,

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Speaker 4: Listen, you know I love you and you know where

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Speaker 3: It's a lot that that set is is not you know,

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Speaker 3: it didn't like her huge, Yeah, Jessica didn't like me.

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Speaker 1: It was a huge ensemble.

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Speaker 3: And you guys were so well established. It was an

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Speaker 3: and our our fandom have very strong feelings about new

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Speaker 4: You have to earn their trust.

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Speaker 1: You knew who intimidated me the most was working with Chandra.

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Speaker 1: She's the nicest and the yummiest, but she's so good.

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Speaker 4: all right that you're asking really good questions and we

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Speaker 1: Are you telling me that you did Scandal before you

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Speaker 5: No, No, it was simultaneous.

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Speaker 4: What happened. I did the first season of Scandal three episodes,

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Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm excited about that, but if

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Speaker 1: I guess what came next. You became like a fan

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Speaker 4: No, what happened next is Sean has said, we know

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Speaker 5: That's literally what she said.

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Speaker 1: Oh so she just occupied you don't worry about it.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to consult on I was consulting anyway.

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Speaker 4: It was like, technically a consultant is like three days

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Speaker 4: to find you. And season two they used me again.

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Speaker 4: And season two is when the show really exploded. The

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Speaker 5: For the next twenty years exactly. It will live on forever.

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Speaker 5: Wait, just are you am?

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Speaker 1: I I'm not on it anymore, but were you?

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's just I have such relationships like

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Speaker 1: this holiday movie that you've done. Okay, because well, first

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Speaker 4: Harding and Lindsay Lohan. So the show is really about

442
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Speaker 4: I didn't know this term until recently.

443
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,359
Speaker 5: You know, meet cute, right. We used to write them asatomy.

444
00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 4: This is a meat ugly apparently when two people, when

445
00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 4: two people have a history and they hate each other,

446
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,440
Speaker 4: and they were like, I never wanted to see you again,

447
00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 4: and they meet in a rom com it's called a

448
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:34,400
Speaker 4: meat ugly.

449
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Speaker 2: I've never heard that term.

450
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,240
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like from the trailer that Kristin plays

451
00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 1: sort of a yeah, like a little she's a little grumpy,

452
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: a little thorny, a little what does she She's got

453
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: some rough edges.

454
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Speaker 4: She is not the nicest she she's not the nicest

455
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: most welcoming to Lindsay Lohan. And a lot of the

456
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,520
Speaker 4: movie's tension has to do with Lindsay trying to stay

457
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:03,119
Speaker 4: in her good graces. That's a big premise of the movie.

458
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,919
Speaker 4: And as my wife, she definitely puts me in my place.

459
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 4: You know, Listen, I bounce around in the movie. I

460
00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 4: appear here and there, and then I have this incredible

461
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,639
Speaker 4: scene with a huge secret of my own, which is

462
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 4: not how which you think it is. It's not what

463
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 4: it's not even what I thought it was going to

464
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 4: be when they it's a bigger secret than that. But

465
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,640
Speaker 4: but it's a very fun movie where everyone in it

466
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 4: sort of is hanging on to something that you find

467
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 4: out by the end.

468
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Speaker 1: Well, I cannot wait to watch it.

469
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Speaker 2: Well, this is wait. We have to say the name

470
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Speaker 2: of it.

471
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:33,600
Speaker 1: You don't even say the name of it.

472
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Speaker 3: Secret, Yes, secret on Netflix. I'm a sucker for Christmas movies. Dan,

473
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:41,320
Speaker 3: I're still gonna tell you.

474
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:42,800
Speaker 2: And Lindsay Low.

475
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,679
Speaker 3: We do have to talk about Lindsay for a second.

476
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Speaker 3: She's having this renaissance. Yes, she looks incredible. I fully,

477
00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 3: I was always a fan of Lindsay. I'm so excited.

478
00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: I feel like she's really back.

479
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Speaker 3: She's doing amazing work. She looks incredible. She's always been

480
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 3: super talented her. I watched another Christmas movie of hers

481
00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: last year.

482
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: I like her voice. It's always like been kind of

483
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: like that gravelly like.

484
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, gravelly like smoky yea.

485
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: I wish I was cool like that.

486
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 2: I love it so much.

487
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Speaker 3: Jessica, you were in on Netflix Christmas movie Holiday with Kristen.

488
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Speaker 1: I was, and she was fantastic, so funny. She played

489
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: my aunt Susan. She is such a hoot and holler.

490
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: And she's coming on the show too. And she cracks

491
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: me up because we became dear friends. And then when

492
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: you're friends with Kristin Jenna with what ends up happening

493
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,399
Speaker 1: is she does not text as much as she sends

494
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:46,080
Speaker 1: me videos She sends me videos from all kinds of places.

495
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 1: Some places you would not you would not think someone

496
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: would send you a video from them, but she will

497
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 1: send you a video from them.

498
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 4: I know what you're talking about.

499
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. And she and she's always like, you're you're

500
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 1: my sister, and we need, honey, we need to do

501
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: a movie. Be together. We're gonna find something. That's how

502
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: she talks to me, I know. And she'll tell me

503
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: all about her day in detailed slab.

504
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: I get videos when when she's gone to sleep, she's

505
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,280
Speaker 4: gone to sleep and the lights are out and it's

506
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 4: completely dark, and all I see are just like just

507
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: the hints of two little eyes. Hi husband. Yeah, I'm

508
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 4: so tired because she works. She works like nobody. But

509
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 4: we got very close. She's got the biggest heart of

510
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 4: anybody on the planet, and we had a great time.

511
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 5: We ad lived like crazy.

512
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 4: We really tried to feel what this completely dysfunctional marriage

513
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 4: would really be like. And so there's little hints of

514
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 4: that throughout the movie. We had a great time. Tim

515
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 4: Meadows is in the movie as well. This hilarious John

516
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 4: Rodnitski is in the movie. Has my son and it's

517
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 4: it's really fun and Lindsay, I have to tell you

518
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 4: I also a huge, huge fan when you see the

519
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 4: work she did as a kid. Oh, I know, in

520
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 4: the movie Trap.

521
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Speaker 2: I just watched it with Hayden.

522
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: I watch it. I think I've seen it five times.

523
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: I have two. But she's so talented, she's so innately talented,

524
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: and so you know, now she's got a kid of

525
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,959
Speaker 4: her own, and she's really settled down, and it's really funny,

526
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:17,960
Speaker 4: and she was a delight.

527
00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean just naming it, talk

528
00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: about being a grown up. She's been through it, you know,

529
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: And I don't. I don't know because I haven't been

530
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,239
Speaker 1: following the press that she's done. I don't know if

531
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: she's speaking to it. But I remember the like the

532
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: meltdown days when just things. I mean, she had such

533
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: a huge level of fame and attention on her and

534
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: she was just trying to live her life. And life

535
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: can be real messy sometimes, and when.

536
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: We see our twenties, eighteen to twenty eight is not

537
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 4: an easy decade. It's just not imagine the amount of

538
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 4: scrutiny and having to answer to it and having it

539
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 4: all played out publicly.

540
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: It's just not no, and you're usually not peaking then, like,

541
00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: that's not when we're not that's not when we're peaking.

542
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 3: Now, those are when you're in the trenches. You want

543
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 3: to be able to make mistakes. You just need it,

544
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: not on the cover of People magazine.

545
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. You want to be able to make

546
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,919
Speaker 4: your mistakes and not. This is one of the reasons

547
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 4: I started this thing on Instagram. If you follow me

548
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 4: on Instagram, I do this thing called Failure Fridays, which

549
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 4: is all about this idea that you know, social media,

550
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 4: since it's the beginning, has become the place for the

551
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: humble brag, where you scroll all day long to see

552
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 4: people with bodies better than yours, and cappuccinos that look

553
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 4: better than yours, and the bread that's been baked better

554
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 4: than yours, and awards and dresses and red carpets, and

555
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 4: it's also fabulous, and it's easy to compare and despair.

556
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 4: But the truth is, if we were to use social

557
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 4: media a little bit more, all of us as a universe,

558
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 4: to also share in our setbacks, our humiliations, our embarrassments,

559
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 4: and our failures, we would realize that the path to

560
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 4: success is paved with failures and embarrassments and setbacks. And

561
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 4: so I started this thing failure Friday, where I encourage

562
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: peopeople to comment tell their story post hashtag failure Friday.

563
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: I have so many I'm so aware I start.

564
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 5: That is part of the problem.

565
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: Part of the problem is like, oh god, where I

566
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 4: have my parenting fails, my relationship fails, my professional fails.

567
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 4: But the truth is all of them are also surrounded

568
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 4: by these moments of triumph. And we don't all only

569
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: triumph and we don't all only fail. It's just we

570
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 4: can't define ourselves wholly by one success or one failure.

571
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 4: And so anyway, I'm encouraging people to embrace their setbacks

572
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,439
Speaker 4: and then the comeback is so much more lovely. Like

573
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 4: I think there's so much goodwill towards towards Lindsay, maybe

574
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 4: because her setbacks were all so public.

575
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: I also think that if you're if you're if you're

576
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: really paying attention and you're failing and you're succeeding and

577
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: you're honest with yourself and you're naming it, you have

578
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 1: a far better relationship with the success and with the failure.

579
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: So you you you can have the median be really

580
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: nice and static. Okay, like you're always going to go

581
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: back to Okay, you're gonna you're gonna get really high

582
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:25,959
Speaker 1: and you're gonna go really low. By the way, if

583
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: you're not making mistakes, you're not trying, right, So you

584
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: got to try and sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't.

585
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting. I don't know why, but to

586
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: this morning, I was talking to a friend about that

587
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: experiment they did with the with the Olympians, the study

588
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: with the the those who win gold, silver, and bronze,

589
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you've seen it, but the

590
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: greatest incidences of depression and suicide come from the silvers

591
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: because they didn't they were they were just shy of

592
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: being funds.

593
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 4: I've written pilots that have been so personal to me

594
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 4: and have been like I put my blood, sweat and

595
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 4: tears in them, and when they don't move forward, I'm like,

596
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 4: oh my god, I'm never gonna what's the point, what's

597
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 4: the point?

598
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And the sadness, I mean, I literally

599
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: go boneless on the floor. I had what happened maybe

600
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, and it's the trailers

601
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 1: are playing now and Camilla, how many times have I

602
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: sent you like screenshots of like, Okay, I'm just gonna

603
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: feel I'm gonna feel my feelings right now between me

604
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: and the girl who got it. I'm real happy for her,

605
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: but I'm all sad for me and all the things, right,

606
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. Also, it's like you want to

607
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: recognize that you you were competitive, you.

608
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: Just didn't get it. You just didn't get it, because

609
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 4: there's sometimes if you're like, well, I'm I lost, therefore

610
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 4: I'm a loser. Therefore I'm not going to do this again.

611
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this again, Like you definitely won't get

612
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: another opportunity if you don't do it again.

613
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Like you're dancing too, because I like this failure.

614
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: Fridays is when you're scrolling right now, your own people

615
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: are only posting the gold medal moments, right, and it's

616
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 3: actually getting kind of boring.

617
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: Like in movies, you're rooting.

618
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: For Rocky, right, Like Rocky isn't isn't like at the

619
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: top of his game, He's is How boring is that

620
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 3: story you're rooting for? Like the growth of being a

621
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: rock bottom and working your way up. I think it's

622
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: so cool to I like the failure Fridays. I think

623
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: that Jess and I have gotten. One of the things

624
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 3: we've enjoyed about podcasting actually and doing this is that

625
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: we've ended up sharing so much of our shit. Yeah,

626
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 3: and it's been really therapeutic.

627
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 5: But listen, what you're doing.

628
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: You're creating something that's a conversation that allows for that

629
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 4: to be part of it, so something successful can come

630
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 4: out of the conversation around something.

631
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 5: Not so successful. It was very hard for me to do.

632
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 4: I'll be honest with you, Like many actors and certainly

633
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 4: at my age, I'm very reluctant to let people think

634
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: that I'm flawed. I mean, obviously we all are. What

635
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 4: I'm saying, Like, I don't want people to see I

636
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: wear spanks twenty four seven, Like I don't want to

637
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 4: let my spanks out and let people see. And I had.

638
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: I did one failure Friday where I was like challenging

639
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 4: myself to do five pull ups and I didn't make it,

640
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 4: and I showed it on camera, and it's really sad

641
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 4: and hilarious but really pathetic. But you know what, it's

642
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 4: only motivating me to try to just get stronger and

643
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 4: eventually I'll be.

644
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 5: Able to pull up up it.

645
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 4: I can do some I can do. I can do

646
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 4: underhand hin ups, a lot of them, but the overhands hard.

647
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: Are you kidding? It's very hard? But you could start

648
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: them with the little assist thing, the little rubber bands.

649
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 4: If you get them that, you know what I gotta

650
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 4: I gotta start doing that.

651
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: Because, by the way, there's another lesson. Sometimes you just need.

652
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: Help, yes, yes, advocate.

653
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes you can do the thing. You just need some help.

654
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: The thing.

655
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 5: You just need to ask for help.

656
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 4: And it's not embarrassing to ask for help. It's not gosh, no,

657
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 4: my gosh.

658
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Speaker 1: I asked for help all the time my mother. I

659
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: don't know how this is possible going. I actually don't

660
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Speaker 1: have it on films, so I might need to have

661
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: it on film. My mother can do a five minute plank?

662
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 4: What what?

663
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Yeah?

664
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 2: No assist?

665
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: No assist. Evidently no assist.

666
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 4: Oh that's incredible. Yeah, he course eel.

667
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: I've gone back to the gym in the past, I

668
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: probably about two and a half months ago, with like

669
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: real regularity. I'm holding myself accountable, and my goal is

670
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 1: I want to do a five minute plank. And I'm

671
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: just going to tell you right now, I haven't been

672
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: out for the past two and a half months, and

673
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm I'm only a minute and a half.

674
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, but a minute and a half.

675
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 4: You only have three and a half to go, exactly.

676
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 5: You started with five to go three and a half.

677
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: And it's been like, it's been humbling, it's been all

678
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: the things we're talking about. And obviously it's a silly example,

679
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 1: but it's just, you know, the things that make you

680
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: stronger but also remind you that you have room to

681
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: grow and and a weakness that needs to be developed,

682
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: and also inspiration and you have help and all the things.

683
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: I love talking you.

684
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 2: I miss having you, and I like to tell your.

685
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: Mom that I say hello. I'm not going to get

686
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 4: into it, but your mother was incredibly incredibly helpful to me.

687
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 4: I don't I don't you know what. I can't talk

688
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 4: about it because I don't want to get choked.

689
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 1: Up, but you'll start crying.

690
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 4: We had we had a particularly rough period with our

691
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: You know, I'm the parents of teenagers now. They don't

692
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 4: tell you what to expect when when you're expecting, is

693
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 4: that eventually those babies are going to become teenagers. Don't

694
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 4: listen to this.

695
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: Oh God, I know I'm listening so intently.

696
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 1: Dan, I'm like, tell me.

697
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 4: Do we had some challenges in the teenage years and

698
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 4: and and you know, I've got we're two dads and

699
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: navigating our daughter through those things. And your mom was

700
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 4: incredibly helpful to me. So please just tell her I

701
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 4: say hello, and I hold that very close to my heart.

702
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 4: We love to talk about the unspeakable, which is.

703
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 3: Oh, we've talked about it. I know where you're going.

704
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: Anatomy of a lie.

705
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh gosh, yes we can. We can out to just.

706
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: Tell you something I'm coming to you with. Like when

707
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 4: I met my husband thirty years ago. He was taking

708
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 4: care of a woman who was dying of cancer, who

709
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 4: had lost all of her hair, and five of us

710
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 4: came around, six of us galvanized around her for an

711
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 4: entire year and took her to chemo and bought her

712
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: everything and paid her rent and bathed her and I

713
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 4: mean horrible things that we did.

714
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 5: And it was all a lie. Good night, everybody.

715
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: It was all I There's more than one person who

716
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 2: would do that one.

717
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 4: This is my point, is I met I met you

718
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: know obviously, when I came back to the writer. When

719
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 4: I came back to the writer's room of Grace to

720
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 4: visit all my buddies in the year that I she

721
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 4: started on Grays the year after I left, maybe even.

722
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 5: My slot went to her.

723
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: And then I went into that right into that writer's

724
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 4: room to say hi to Tia and the whole gang.

725
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 4: And I met her and she was wearing a scarf

726
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 4: on her head, and she obviously had lost had lost

727
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 4: her hair, and she really she did a number. And

728
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 4: I was riveted by that documentary. Obviously I have a

729
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: connection you met her.

730
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 3: Was there any part of you that was like, she's

731
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 3: a little she's a little odd.

732
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: No, well, yes, yeah, she was a little odd.

733
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 2: But never did you ever not believe? Did you?

734
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I was saying when we talked

735
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 1: about it. I said, there was never a moment where

736
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: I would have thought to say, it's.

737
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 4: A perfect crime. People asked us that all the time,

738
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: like how did you guys all fall for it? I'm like,

739
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 4: fall for it? When will you ever when someone tells

740
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 4: you that they have been diagnosed with cancer, would you

741
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: ever say to them prove it? Yeah?

742
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 5: I was a person if you make someone if you

743
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 5: say that to someone.

744
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: Dan, did you find out did you find out the

745
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: news that it was not true from the article or

746
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 3: because of whispers.

747
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 4: I'm very good friends with Christa and a lot of

748
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 4: the gang, the Old og Original Gray's Anatomy folk, so

749
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 4: I think I heard it from them first, but it

750
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 4: was it was around the time that the article was

751
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 4: bubbling up, so I didn't hear it early. I heard

752
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 4: it around the same time.

753
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: And you watched the documentary, and.

754
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 4: I watched the documentary, and you.

755
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: Watch all three parts.

756
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: I sure did, and I have to tell you, I'm

757
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 4: it's so it's so much more disturbing than what we

758
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: experienced because it goes so far beyond that the illness,

759
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: like lying about the illness is like a fraction of

760
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 4: what the larger story is. And it's extremely upsetting. Yeah,

761
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 4: I and I and I to you, who had a

762
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: very strong relationship, And I can only imagine, and I

763
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 4: just know what. All I know is I can imagine

764
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 4: because I experienced it also with somebody else.

765
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: That's insane that there's somebody else I did. We have

766
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: talked about this a little on the pop before, but

767
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 3: I said to Jess, it felt I went into the

768
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 3: first episode.

769
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: Not knowing what it was like. It came out and

770
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: I was like, nobody had talked.

771
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: To me about it, and I was like with my husband,

772
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 3: I just watch the first one and it was like

773
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 3: watching myself in a dateline episode. I had no idea

774
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 3: how much I would be in it, and it was

775
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 3: so jarring that I have not watched beyond. But it

776
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 3: is interesting always to talk to other people. It's you know,

777
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: it's not many of us that have were part of

778
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 3: this insane story.

779
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 5: I have compassion for those with mental illness.

780
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 4: This particular one takes down so many people that I

781
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: have a very hard time like drumming up the compassion

782
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,399
Speaker 4: only because I experienced it and I feel like nine

783
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 4: months of my life my compassion for another individual was

784
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 4: was squandered. But that said, much like Munchausen, where you

785
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 4: are making yourself sick, actually making yourself sick in order

786
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 4: to get cared for, the lying about events in your life,

787
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 4: the lying about drama and or illness.

788
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 5: In order to bring people towards.

789
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,040
Speaker 4: You, is a phenomenon that is far more common and

790
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 4: what we think, and it's very upsetting.

791
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: You're talking and I was just reminded of something that

792
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe. I didn't talk about when we were

793
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 1: talking about liars maybe, I don't know. Six or seven

794
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: years ago, Christopher got a message through some platform when

795
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: he was honest about a young woman who was dealing

796
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 1: with a disease that was going to that she was

797
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: going to die, she was going to die soon, and

798
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: her favorite show was Graise and she just wanted to

799
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: talk to me, and so we got her number and

800
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: I called her and I was on the phone with

801
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: her for about forty five minutes because it wasn't just illness,

802
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 1: but there had also been there had been abuse, and

803
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: there had been and forty five minutes of listening to

804
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: her and listening to her, and then we went to

805
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: get off the phone, and she was saying that she

806
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: was meant to die any day like this was she

807
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: was in hospice and it was happening, and she said,

808
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: you know, if i'm here tomorrow, would you be able

809
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: to talk to me one more time? And I said absolutely.

810
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: So the next day I get messaged I'm still here,

811
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: can you talk? I call her, We talk, and I

812
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 1: don't know what it was. At minute thirty two that

813
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: just was like something, there's just something off, like I

814
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: didn't know what it was, but it's just something that

815
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: was off. And I ended it just like I had

816
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: the day before, like I'm sending so much love and

817
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that I was able to be here

818
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: for you. And I hung up and I called the

819
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: person that in my life helps check on these kinds

820
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: of things, and I said, I just have a feeling

821
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: that this something's not right. I'm going to give you

822
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: the phone number, and I'm going to give you all

823
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 1: the documentation of how this came to me and everything else.

824
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: Full blown lie now.

825
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 5: But guess what she got to talk to jess A Capshaw.

826
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so bonkers, Dan, How did you find out that

827
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 3: you're the person you were taking care of?

828
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,720
Speaker 1: How did you find out that that was not true?

829
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 4: Not to plug something again, but I'm gonna plug something. Yeah.

830
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 4: My book Does This Baby Make Me Look Straight? Is

831
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 4: a story of how Don and I became parents. But

832
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: chapter two, if you just listen to one chapter in

833
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 4: the whole audiobook, chapter two, it tells you, tells you No,

834
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 4: I'm not telling you to do that, because I'm going

835
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 4: to tell you right now. But the chapter two tells

836
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 4: the entire story of how I met my husband and

837
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 4: the circumstances of meeting this person and how we to,

838
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: you know, and how it all played out. But in

839
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 4: a nutshell, it's one of those things where as I

840
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 4: was saying before, you never really want to check, because

841
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 4: what kind of person would you be? The very things

842
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,800
Speaker 4: that don't feel right to you, you just swallow and

843
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 4: you think, I guess this is what it's like to

844
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 4: be with someone who has very little time left and

845
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 4: as annoying as there be. And I mean, there were

846
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 4: elements of this woman's life that were like, she's asking

847
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 4: so much.

848
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 5: There's not one moment where.

849
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 4: She's ever like, guys, you go out, go to the movies,

850
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 4: don't worry about me, Just have a good night out.

851
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 4: I'll be fine. I'll see you tomorrow. Like it was

852
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 4: never that, which I don't know, knock on wood, I've

853
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 4: never had.

854
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 5: An illness like that.

855
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: But I know that I'm I know that I would

856
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 4: want those around me who were spending time caring for me,

857
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 4: who also I would love them enough. So there was

858
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 4: an element about her that just bugged everybody. So six

859
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 4: of us went to go see Manhattan Murder Mystery, which

860
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: is all about people like it's like only merged in

861
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: the building. Really the inspiration behind it, But it's all

862
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 4: about this couple who live next door and they sort

863
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 4: of uncover a mystery domestically in their own home. They're

864
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,879
Speaker 4: not detectives. And we went to a restaurant afterwards, and

865
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 4: I don't know how it happened, but we started talking

866
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 4: and comparing notes about our this person's nurse that all

867
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 4: of us have clearly met, and they're like, no, no, I

868
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 4: never met her nurse. Well, you're paying her. How did

869
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 4: you pay Tanya if you never met her. It's like

870
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 4: I thought you were paying Tanya. So we started to

871
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: compare notes on a bunch of things that didn't make sense.

872
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: She had lost her sight in her right eye, but

873
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: she was always wiping both sides of her glasses. I

874
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 4: don't know why I had to demonstrate that, and so

875
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 4: we started to compare notes and then we were like, guys,

876
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 4: this is horrible, but let's just like tonight, let's just

877
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: do a little bit of like you call her mom

878
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 4: and you find out whether she ever really played the violin,

879
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 4: because she lied about about being a virtuoso violinist. That's

880
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 4: the other thing. They all have sort of delusions of grandeur,

881
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: which is another thing that Elizabeth Finch had like there's

882
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 4: this grandiosity that goes along with I mean the balls.

883
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 4: It's crazy. But in one day, in a matter of

884
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 4: eight hours, we were able to get confirmation that every

885
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 4: single thing would been told was not true. And we

886
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 4: confronted her and said, you can never you know, we

887
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 4: can never speak to you again, and we put her

888
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 4: in jail. She went to jail, huh for two months

889
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 4: because we made a case of all the money that

890
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: we had paid to her, and she had extorted that

891
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 4: money based on a fabrication. And there's there's a law

892
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 4: depending on the city you're in, Like we were able

893
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: to file charges in Hollywood, but we couldn't in Beverly Hills.

894
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: So we filed charges that she had that we were

895
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 4: the victims of fraud.

896
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I have the cry.

897
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: This is give me he gbs that there are so.

898
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 3: Many you think it's just one person that's like this,

899
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 3: and the fact that there's three stories happening.

900
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: It's just it's crazy and anyway, there's there's more to

901
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 4: it than all that, but I'll spare it.

902
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 2: We should have had you on with a liar episode, Dan.

903
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: I know.

904
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: The deep line as they tell well.

905
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: There is a Christmas movie to lift our spirits.

906
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,320
Speaker 4: There's a Christmas movie Lindsey lohand Kristin Shanna with Tim

907
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,720
Speaker 4: Meadows Ian Harding, Netflix, November twenty seventh. Really fun.

908
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, And we need to make Christmas movie

909
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: to love. I'm such a nerd in our family. We

910
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: print the holiday movie list and we laminate it and

911
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: we put it on the coffee table.

912
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: By the family too, so we never are We're never.

913
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,439
Speaker 1: Without an inspiration or idea of what to watch.

914
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 5: Well, this one's really unique.

915
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 4: It's not like your cookie cutter rom com, which is

916
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 4: one thing I love about it.

917
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: I know, you know what, that's the most fun too.

918
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 1: But they actually weirdly become like they become a new normal,

919
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: and they'll become a classic. My eight year old, by

920
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: the way, decorated her room for Christmas before Halloween, so

921
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: we're really in the spirit.

922
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't wait. Dan, this is like

923
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 3: right up my alley. I love it so much. I

924
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 3: live for all these movies. I cannot wait to watch.

925
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 2: Well, Dan, we love you.

926
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: Please come on again, Sue.

927
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 5: Whenever you ask you. First of all, you guys are stunning.

928
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,240
Speaker 5: You both look so beautiful.

929
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 4: We're on zoom and I know you're in your homes

930
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 4: and whatever, but you both look so amazing.

931
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 5: I can't wait to see you in person.

932
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 3: Well, I don't have any of these awards that you

933
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,479
Speaker 3: have behind me, but.

934
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, don't even talk about

935
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 1: the award.

936
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 4: This is my zoom room.

937
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,399
Speaker 5: But here that's talking about That's that's no I would have.

938
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 2: By the way, I'd have it even closer. Dan, they're

939
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: too far away.

940
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: Little in fact, do you know that I haven't Emmy

941
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: for what?

942
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:36,720
Speaker 5: I'm not surprised.

943
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: Who did you steal it from?

944
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: The capsule?

945
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 4: Face was just like, I'm surprise.

946
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 2: Tell us, jess Jessica, what do you have a Emmy for?

947
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna surprise you even put it in the background

948
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 1: of my saday. I'm just going to tell you I

949
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 1: haven't Emmy and I'll tell you another episode for what.

950
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 4: I'm going to google.

951
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 5: I'm you guys check.

952
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 6: We will by Dan and make a lab coat please

953
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,919
Speaker 6: for stat Okay, Dan, Bye, sending you all the love.

954
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: Bye.

955
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 5: Wow.

956
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: He had a juicy story at the end.

957
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: We couldn't let it stop and he knows Finchy.

958
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, well, we just we love Dan and

959
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: we love a Christmas movie and it's he's part of

960
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 3: the family forever. And I didn't know he knew your

961
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: mommy too.

962
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: Well, she's another one. Just you don't know your mom,

963
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah, where are we gonna find her? If

964
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: I had a dollar for every time someone came up

965
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: to me and said, your mom did this, your mom

966
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: did that, And I'm always it always makes me so

967
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: so so proud. Yeah, of course it's been. It's been

968
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: a delight to be with you and Dan. I'm not

969
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: gonna watch that holiday movie.

970
00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, And truly, I am such a Lindsay Lowan fan,

971
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 3: our little Syncred.

972
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Lindsay.

973
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: She doesn't even need rooting for her. She's already doing

974
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: I know. No, she's back, she's back. I'm gonna go

975
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: watch our little Secret and I'll see you later.

976
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 3: Okay, let's call it the end of the episode.