WEBVTT - Jerry Angelo reminisces on career | Bears, etc. Podcast 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:06.160 Cut over that DJ Moore episode Touchdown Touchdown Pairs. I 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.799 am Jeff Jonihack wlitz is on Donnie co Chr. 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:13.800 What was like playing for coache Gooddom. 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:16.439 I don't want to answer any questions like that pressure 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:20.400 coming is a big trouble. Donnie gos motest. 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:28.080 Sweat Many Bears et Cetera brought to you by Miller 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:30.920 Lighte with the voices of the Bears Jeff Joniac and. 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.760 Tom Thayer, we go back in time, all looking forward 0:00:34.760 --> 0:00:37.479 to what's next In this week's Bears et Cetera podcast 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.200 episode sixty three that would be at the Jay Hilgenberg 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.360 Podcast with his teammate in Super Bowl winning Bears guard 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.080 Tom Thayer. I'm Jeff Joniac and we're weeks away from 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:50.120 drafting the next starting quarterback of the Chicago Bears in 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:52.479 the twenty fifth of this month, and we'll also lay 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.920 out the red carpet to Canton, Ohio for Bears great 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:59.200 Steve McMichael and Devin Hester. All this while the baseball 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.280 world is popping and spinning, and the NCAA Men's and 0:01:02.320 --> 0:01:05.759 women's champions have been crowned. Congrants to the Yukon men 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.680 and the South Carolina women for camping off tremendous memorable 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:13.040 seasons and now, Tom, you were really interested in women's basketball, 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:17.160 and South Carolina ran the table unbeaten, and yukon a repeat, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:19.560 so some exciting stuff in the tournament. I know you 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:20.280 were glued to it. 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.680 I was, you know, because I have so much respect 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.399 for the coaches in the wave. They brought their coaching 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:31.560 talents and brought that to the talent of their players. 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.960 Because when I watch women's basketball, the precision of their passing, 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:42.399 the authenticity of the game, the understanding of the angles 0:01:42.440 --> 0:01:46.000 and the intricacies of how basketball is played, and again, 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:50.960 it reminds me of old school basketball before dunking became 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:55.200 so prevalent in men's basketball. And I just loved what 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.160 I saw. And listen, I have all the respect in 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:02.400 the world for what the men's you know, finals offered. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.320 I gotta say, though, I was talking to Joliet's own 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.040 Terry Gannon the other day, and he played on the 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.919 nineteen eighty three national championship team of North Carolina State, 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:16.520 and they were all going down to watch North Carolina 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.680 State in the finals, and so I kind of had 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:22.360 my fingers crossed that they would win the championship because 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.959 two years later the Bears won the Super Bowl, and 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:31.600 so I was hypothetically and hopefully thinking ahead during that time. 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.640 But you know, Yukon Purdue they did a great job. 0:02:36.040 --> 0:02:39.200 South Carolina and Iowa they did a great job. So 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:42.480 I'm you know, a lot of great basketball there was 0:02:42.520 --> 0:02:43.200 to be watched. 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.400 City champions Joliet, Illinois. 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:49.240 Always yes, I mean, you know it was. It was 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:51.600 interesting because when I was going to Notre Dame in 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.839 that year, North Carolina State played Notre Dame Matt Notre Dame, 0:02:55.240 --> 0:02:57.959 so I had a chance to meet a lot of 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.520 those guys on that team through Terry, and we had 0:03:01.560 --> 0:03:05.440 another local kid from Lockport, Scott Parsitch, that also played 0:03:05.680 --> 0:03:08.600 on North Carolina State. So you know, a lot of 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:09.840 connective tissues there. 0:03:10.280 --> 0:03:14.320 So our special guest this week former Bears gentleal manager 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.440 Jerry Angelo. Unfortunately, all things being real, here, I kicked 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.440 the cord on the electricity and the first part of 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.360 that interview was somewhere in the metaverse, somewhere and so 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.680 long gone. We did save some of it. We'll play 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.880 some of that. It won't be about what we initially discussed, 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.760 but he's agreed to come back next week and talk 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:38.040 about Devin Hester. We can summarize, though it's an honor 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:39.880 that he's in there, that he had a chance a 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.120 drafting fifty seventh in round two. Never thought at the 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:44.760 time that this was going to be a Hall of 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:47.760 Fame career a man without a position. Belty should have 0:03:47.800 --> 0:03:51.120 stayed in college a year longer to maybe solidify being 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.840 a cornerback, which Devin really wanted to play. But the 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.480 excellence in what it ouded to was really pushing the 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.960 team into a super Bowl in two thousand and six. 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:02.680 Well, I got to tell you the bigger picture that 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.320 I look at it, and the crossroads of Devin Hester 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:08.040 going into the Hall of Fame when he was kind 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.640 of an athlete without a defined position. I think that 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.560 because of Devin Hester has been in the conversation of 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:19.680 the classes of Hall of Fames. It's continued the discussion 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:22.760 about how can we make kickoff returns better in the NFL? 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:27.520 And so when you look at devn you know, being 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:32.279 honored by induction into the Hall of Fame. Everybody knew 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:34.520 it and we kind of complained about it as much 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.840 as anybody during the broadcast that they somehow got to 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:40.320 get the return game back in to the NFL game. 0:04:40.360 --> 0:04:43.840 And so I'm glad that the conversation continued to get 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:46.040 Devon into the Hall of Fame because he deserves it. 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:49.480 But I'm also glad that the conversation continued where they 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.560 got the kickoff returned back into the NFL. 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.040 Miller Light is our presenting sponsor of the Bears et cetera. 0:04:56.120 --> 0:04:58.720 Podcast tastes like Miller Time. Go to millerd Light dot com. 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:02.760 Slash Bears Pod find delivery options near you. Celebrate responsibly. 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.200 Middle Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Ninety six calories and three 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.839 point two carbs per twelve ounces. In our discussion with Jerry, 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:13.039 which this part you won't here, but we'll readdress it 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.839 next week on the podcast, is that Yeah, it is 0:05:16.880 --> 0:05:20.600 about safety, and it is about you know, getting it 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.679 back in the game. And it is about point production 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:28.200 from his perspective, because point totals are down and you know, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.200 they'd like to see that get ratcheted up. He feels 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:33.599 the return men. It will be the return men. Maybe 0:05:34.080 --> 0:05:36.640 it'll be a bigger return man. And it's an actual 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.200 line of scrimmage play. Now it's a play from scrimmage 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.960 the way it'll be designed, so that to me is intrigued. 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:44.240 And we discussed this a couple of weeks back. It's 0:05:44.240 --> 0:05:47.840 going to be an additional sixteen hundred plays of NFL football, 0:05:47.920 --> 0:05:49.960 and that's that's gonna be a lot of fun to watch. 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:52.800 But what I didn't get a chance to bring up 0:05:52.839 --> 0:05:55.760 with Jerry, and maybe we can touch on it next week, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:58.479 is that you know what here again, why do we 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.760 have to tweak the game to have the point total 0:06:01.800 --> 0:06:04.920 be up or down? Why why can't we just play football? 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.760 Well, I sold the antagonistic part of me about the 0:06:08.839 --> 0:06:11.760 kickoff return. I was saying, Okay, if you take kickoff 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:15.560 return out of it, then you should cut the salary 0:06:15.600 --> 0:06:19.120 of the special teams coaches by one quarter because it's 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:23.039 the most difficult play in special teams to organize block 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.479 a successful blocking scheme. And so when you saw these 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.880 guys that were great returners, it was really you know, 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:32.880 you got to give the special teams coaches throughout the 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:36.120 history of the NFL all the credit they deserved because 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.000 of the difficulty of it. So now I'm going to 0:06:39.040 --> 0:06:42.400 give them their salaries back because now I'm interested to 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:46.080 really see the reconstruction of a blocking scheme when they 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:49.680 have the new setup of the kickoff return. And to me, 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:53.600 in some of the ways that we used our blocking 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:57.080 schemes on our kickoff return back in the day, you 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:59.919 could work with another player. I worked a lot with 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.279 Jim Morrissey, and so when you can kind of set 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.440 up the guys that were coming downfield just by eye 0:07:07.480 --> 0:07:09.880 contact and you knew you were setting them up for 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.240 a blindside block by your teammate, I think you're going 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:19.360 to have a construction of really interesting returns designed by 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:21.720 the special teams coaches in the NFL. 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:23.440 So if in fact, this is going to be looked 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:27.320 upon as a scrimmage play in essence, are you gonna 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:31.480 involve now, Chris Morgan, the offensive lineco are you gonna 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:34.960 you're gonna involve Like from a schematic point of view, 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:36.560 will you get their influence at all? 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:39.040 Now, what I'm gonna do is I'm going to design 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:43.120 some cross blocking schemes. I'm gonna I'm gonna introduce where 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.000 my point of return is going to be and move 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:50.600 a body across the formation. I'm gonna change different angles. 0:07:50.680 --> 0:07:53.600 Because we're so close to each other, you got to 0:07:53.640 --> 0:07:56.800 think being in the wedge back. In my kickoff return, 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:00.360 I was retreating at the kick of the ball, setting 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.600 up about eleven yards away from the returner, and then 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:09.440 initiating our movement towards the pursuers. Nowadays, with the kickoff, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.800 the ball is caught and now you get to start 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:15.920 your confrontation. I just think that they're super intelligent special 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.960 teams coaches all throughout the NFL, and I think you're 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:22.280 gonna be able to devise those different angles of attack 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:26.040 to create that instant of opportunity for a returner. I'm 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.880 not looking for you to sustain a block for four seconds. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.600 I'm looking for you to get the right angle on 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:36.920 the pursuer to create that crease to watch the explosion upfield. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.120 I can't wait to see it. I really can't. I 0:08:39.120 --> 0:08:40.640 can't wait to see it. There's going to be a 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.120 lot of interesting plays drawn up over the course of 0:08:43.120 --> 0:08:46.520 the season. Somebody's gonna do something really intriguing. It's gonna 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.520 be like the tush push became something. Somebody's gonna do 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.680 something that everybody else is going to try and copy, 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:54.360 and it's gonna become a hop play a thing. 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.960 Jeff, consider this as well. So when we're sitting there 0:08:58.000 --> 0:09:00.440 a training camp and they have the different days that 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.000 are dedicated to different segments of special teams, you're gonna 0:09:04.000 --> 0:09:07.000 be able to do these things live. You're not gonna 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:09.080 do it like the old kickoff return where we're just 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.480 gonna run down field and we're not gonna have any 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:14.920 contact because we want to keep it innocent. Now you're 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:18.679 gonna kick off and we're gonna have actual live kickoff 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:24.960 returns at practice because the impact is significantly less. And 0:09:25.080 --> 0:09:27.720 the guys that are included on the core special teams, 0:09:28.240 --> 0:09:31.120 those are that those are the guys that we need 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:34.040 to get the most realistic reps before it actually happens. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.680 Have you discussed this with some special teams coaches across 0:09:36.720 --> 0:09:37.240 the league? 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:38.760 I have not. 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.880 I just when I you know, because watching the other 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.520 leagues that they use this style of kickoff return, I 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.359 was thinking about that back in the day in practices, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.600 that they're actually going to be able to do these 0:09:52.679 --> 0:09:56.520 more real They're gonna have to do them more realistically 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.880 live to allow the players to get used to it. 0:10:00.160 --> 0:10:03.640 Because of the proximity of the pursuers and the blockers 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:07.560 are so close to each other, you're you know, you 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:12.240 could have these rugby style of plays drawn up. You 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.800 could have these type of tacklers against these blockers. And 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:18.880 so I think it's gonna be fun in training camp 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:21.960 when we have the you know, the mid second, mid 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:25.400 part of practice, when they're going kick off, kickoff return time. 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:28.000 You had to be paying attention. You know, no more 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:29.240 coffee breaks a training camp. 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:33.480 Oh no, I don't listen. I drink the coffee before 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:35.400 I get there. Not a coffee drinking. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.720 You're the one why, you know, I'm awful. You know, 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:39.000 have made for. 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:40.920 You and hand it to you when we get there. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:44.120 You know that, don't deny it. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.520 Well, you know, let's talk about that for men, because 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:49.800 you used to really get mad at me when I 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:52.960 would bring the I'm a guy who likes to have 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:56.280 a hot cup of Joe, and I'm a stroller, like 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.600 strolling out there with my coffee on the practice field, 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.040 and you would you would burn a hole in me 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.320 with those eyes. You don't bring the coffee to the 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.240 practice field. So I keep it up in the in 0:11:06.320 --> 0:11:09.800 the viewing suite when we have to do our talks 0:11:09.840 --> 0:11:12.480 with different guests over the course of training camp on 0:11:12.520 --> 0:11:15.200 the daily. But I don't do that anymore, because you 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.400 know you told me that should be outlawed. That was 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:18.600 not that was not proper. 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.280 If I was an active player, I would come and 0:11:21.320 --> 0:11:22.640 I would slap it on you. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.680 I really would, because well, hey, the late Mark Hatley 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.600 used to stand under the goal post at every practice 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.000 with a large, big gulp first thing in the morning. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.640 Yes, I know, I'm just you know, like I said, 0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:39.280 if I was an active player and you were sitting 0:11:39.280 --> 0:11:41.480 there sipping coffee, I would slap it right on there. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.280 Let me ask you this question. Did coaches back in 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.960 your day anybody smoke cigarettes on the field. 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:48.000 Yes? 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:52.679 They did. Yes, you get a coach, Dick Stanfeld used 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:54.479 to smoke on the during practice. 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:54.880 Yeah. 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:57.760 I used to smoke during meetings, you know, and we 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:00.600 are in the meeting room for a couple hours on 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:04.120 Jim Hanniff and the ex offensive line coach of the 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:06.959 Rams and the Atlanta Falcons and other teams. There was 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.319 players when I was in the USFL, there were multiple 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.840 players that smoked and went into the locker room at 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.720 halftime to make sure that they could have a couple 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.480 of cigarettes in the bathroom during halftime. 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:24.400 Unbelievable. It's time to tackle some game day deals. Then 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:26.400 go with the grocer who's been a part of Chicago 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:30.040 since eighteen ninety nine, Jewel Oscar, the official grocery store 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.640 of the Chicago Bears. A couple of new additions and 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.640 there have been plenty on the business side in the 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:41.120 front office of the Chicago Bears as a franchise, and 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:45.760 one is the hiring of Christa Whittaker, Executive VP of Legal, 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:48.880 Business Affairs and Chief Legal Officer. She comes from the 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:51.920 Miami Heat Tommy and will closely work with Bears President 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.880 and CEO Kevin Warren, a Texas A and M grad 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:59.719 and Stanford Law Also Andrea Zapp, Senior Advisor Legal and 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:04.000 Business Affairs, a distinguished career in multiple executive leadership roles 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:08.200 in the public and private sector, Harvard Undergrad, Harvard Law School. 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:13.800 Some really impressive women joining the Bears franchise in that 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.920 side of the fence. As they continue to work towards 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:19.920 getting a stadium. There are new wrinkles to business. It's 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:23.480 not just here, it's global, and so every little bit 0:13:23.600 --> 0:13:25.880 is going to help the Chicago Bears moving forward. As 0:13:25.920 --> 0:13:29.720 Kevin Warren reimagines the front office of the franchise. 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.840 Hey, the education of the NFL never stops because it 0:13:33.840 --> 0:13:36.520 seems like there's always something that's in motion that needs 0:13:36.559 --> 0:13:40.079 to be figure it out factually and with great intelligence. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.520 And when you look at Bell's education resumes, it's pretty impressive. 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.960 It is no question. So welcome to Christa and welcome 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:51.400 to Andrea. So let's get into the interview. We're going 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.679 to pick it up on the fly with Jerry Angela. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:57.000 The first part obviously not able to be aired, so 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:58.880 we'll have to revisit, and he's been kind enough to 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.080 join us again next week, talk specifically about Devin Hester. 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.760 We got into many topics as three guys who love 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.840 football are going to and we picked it up about 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.559 where the money's going at the guard position in the 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.600 National Football League. Here's part of our conversation with the 0:14:13.600 --> 0:14:16.720 former Bears general manager. I've been tweaking Tom because Tom, 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.440 you know, had a great career at guard. He was 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:21.720 a hell of a right guard, a Super Bowl champion, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:25.440 never missed a snap, never missed a game. But the 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.680 salaries are a bit different at guard in twenty twenty four, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.840 that's where the skyrocket to combat what everybody's doing on 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:37.200 the interior now and that quick point of tech between 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:39.760 the line of scrimmage and the closest to get to 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:44.880 the quarterback is inside. The guards today are making a 0:14:44.920 --> 0:14:46.040 lot of money, Jerry. 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.320 Yeah, you know, Jeff used to be left tackle, then 0:14:50.560 --> 0:14:58.440 it became tackle, then it became tackle, guard center. He's 0:14:58.480 --> 0:15:01.520 still the run of the litter, so to speak. But 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.200 the guard and tackle, if you're a premium player, you know, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:07.760 they see them the same now and they should. You know, 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.480 when I think that, you know, canton tackles are going 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:12.000 to the Hall of Fame, what do you think Tom 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.840 pass pro guys? Right, when I think of the guards 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:20.840 going to Canton run balkers. So they each have tremendous value, 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.240 you know, uh in an offense, you know a little 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.800 more showing time with the offensive tackles, they're on islands, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.400 more to be made like a pass rusher. But no, 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.960 the value of a guard to me is every bit 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:42.560 is essential to good line plays as a tackle. And 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.640 as I said, we you know, the best lines that 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:48.960 you know, I've been around, we always had, you know, 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.440 good guard play. We couldn't run an offense you know 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.680 without her. Particularly Again, Jeff, I go back to if 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.960 you don't have a franchise quarterback, right, So yeah, you know, 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.560 as you see in free agencies, they're dinosaurs. There's not 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.800 enough college alignment back in my day, and it still 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:10.320 holds true today. To feed thirty two teams, you can't 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:15.440 the college just can't produce, you know, the players. When 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.000 we were at twenty eight teams, we were okay, we 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.640 were good. But when we went to thirty two, Jeff, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:25.400 that position really to me sunk in terms of the 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:28.880 talent level, you know, and teams were just band aiding 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.400 the position and grab bagging. And that's why you see 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.160 it in free agency. I've never seen so mediocre players, 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.960 you know, that are making so much money. I mean, 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.040 some of these players just you know, they're on the 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.960 high side of average, and look at their salaries. It's 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.040 not because of their play, it's because of the value 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:48.840 of what they are the teams. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.280 You know, Jerry, in the nineteen eighty three draft and 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.520 I came out there as five quarterbacks taken in the 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:57.640 first round, and two of the premier guys obviously were 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.680 Elway and Dan Marino. Put them in these modern day 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:06.880 quarterback classes, do you scout them and evaluate them differently 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.800 or do you try to fit them into the system 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:14.160 that you want to run. If there are RP less 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:18.480 RPO guys in more passing type of guys. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:22.639 Tom, I'd say this still holds true today, and I 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:27.440 you know, I will swear by it. You know, I everybody, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.359 if you're in my position, you're always looking, you know, 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.240 at that position. And I would tell our scouts evaluate 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:38.199 every quarterback in your area and make sure that you 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:41.840 know them. And when the draft's over, with anybody that 0:17:41.920 --> 0:17:44.240 we had on the board at the quarterback position that 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:46.680 we said to make it, you need to watch them 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:49.399 in the summertime. You can't do enough work on the 0:17:49.480 --> 0:17:52.960 quarterback position. But saying that, Tom, I think these these 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:57.840 tenants hold true. And Jeff, you and Tom agree or disagree, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.240 But I think the number one criteria for that position 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.600 thom his toughness, you know, mental and physical toughness. You 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:09.159 cannot play that position without it. Number two is accuracy, 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:13.960 not armsprint accuracy because most of the throws are coming 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.440 around ten yards of a line of scrimmage, so you've 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.639 got to be able to hit the receiver the moving targets. 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:23.840 That's where you're going to get your after catch. The 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:27.119 other one, and you know everybody talks about it. I 0:18:27.359 --> 0:18:31.080 you know, boys, emotional intelligence, however you want to call it. 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:35.199 How does he act in the unrehearsed How does it 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:37.360 And it doesn't mean make a great play. It might 0:18:37.400 --> 0:18:39.720 be taking this act, throwing the ball out of box, 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:44.680 not doing something stupid with the ball, and you can 0:18:44.720 --> 0:18:48.600 call it emotional intelligence. I always define it as poised. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.919 And then lastly, leadership tom critical critical to the position, 0:18:52.960 --> 0:18:57.879 in which leadership mean hard worker, hard working guy. You know, 0:18:57.960 --> 0:18:59.959 he had to have the respect to the locker room 0:19:00.040 --> 0:19:01.840 and the only way you're going to get that is 0:19:01.840 --> 0:19:04.919 through your work ethic and through your toughness. So for 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:09.200 those criteria that I use for myself, three were intangible. 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.119 I think that the position as a character position in 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.040 the NFL, it's always been that way. I saw a 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:20.480 documentary on Bart Starr brought a tear to my eye. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.320 I mean, if you haven't seen it, you need to 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:27.399 watch it. What an incredible story. But again, that's why 0:19:27.520 --> 0:19:30.840 you know, it's the hardest position in sport to play 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:35.600 because the intangibles along with the intangibles are rare and 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.240 so few people you know have Hey, listen, I tried 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:45.800 my best to get them, and they're just you know, 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:48.920 they're rare, but I really believe this time, Jeff, You've 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:52.240 got to have those four criteria to be successful in 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:53.480 the National Football League. 0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.359 Well, we hear a lot about the Bears tied to 0:19:56.440 --> 0:20:00.080 Caleb Williams as a projected number one overall pick here 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:03.639 in sixteen days. So with that being said, how do 0:20:04.080 --> 0:20:06.480 you as a general manager and as a as a 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:10.439 department to prepare your team for what looks like is 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:13.040 going to be a Day one rookie starting quarterback and 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.159 ease that transition. Who's the backup right now? It's Tyson Beaging. 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.080 Okay, Well he I heard a lot of good things 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.040 about it. I didn't see him play a lot, but 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:26.680 I think it's it's important who's in the room if 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:29.919 I'm taking a quarterback in the first round like we 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.520 had Josh McCown. I mean, he was great, a great 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.960 guy to have in the room, So I would my 0:20:37.119 --> 0:20:40.399 focus is who's in the room. And I like the 0:20:40.440 --> 0:20:42.879 back up there in Chicago. He's I wish he had 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.400 a little more experience, but he seems like he's got 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:49.919 a lot in terms of his intangibles. And you know, 0:20:50.320 --> 0:20:53.040 will be a good fit. I would look at a 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.080 veteran of sorts. I think that's going to be very 0:20:56.160 --> 0:21:01.879 very important. You know, coaching can't minimize coaching. You know, 0:21:03.200 --> 0:21:05.480 look at that real you know, what do we what's 0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.439 your plan for him? You know we'd have to we 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.920 have to have a plan. It's not like, well, let's 0:21:10.920 --> 0:21:12.719 throw him out there and let's see what he can do. 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:16.040 We have to work and operate within the plan. I 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.920 think history tells you, Jeff, that the more he's able 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:23.720 to watch, the better his chances of success. You know, 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:27.720 you you look at uh, you know, at hasselback when 0:21:27.760 --> 0:21:29.840 he was up in Green Bay. You look at the 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.720 Jordan Love kid, you look at Aaron Rodgers. They say 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.680 it a long time, and we're very better. I think, 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.560 percentagely speaking, quarterbacks that have that that window of time, 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.159 their chances of success are going to be better. In 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.680 the old days, Tom, tell me, when you drafted a 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.080 quarterback in the first round, he might be lucky, you know, 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.520 starting his third year. You know, you know you own 0:21:53.560 --> 0:21:56.199 the players then, so you could be more patient. But 0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:59.520 I think that's still you know, very very important. You 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:03.000 know who's in that room. It's a tough position. And 0:22:03.960 --> 0:22:07.439 you know, nobody has the formula, you know, but you 0:22:07.520 --> 0:22:10.160 want to be you want to be sound in your approach. 0:22:10.200 --> 0:22:12.000