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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dutton, you know what's ridiculous. Yeah, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: ridiculous people who drive around with headlights that are blue

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Speaker 1: What's that? The other ridiculous thing, the right Oakland based

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Speaker 1: car for detailing. I haven't seen that all. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Ground effects ridiculous. Those weren't diculous. Boom, you're ridiculous. Those

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Speaker 1: have to talk about that after the show. I told

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Speaker 1: Inspector Elizabeth, look out, look Out. I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: certify that one because I don't agree with it, but

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Speaker 1: one nothing to do with that. It's about the story

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Speaker 1: of the plot to steal Abraham Lincoln's well traveled corpse.

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Speaker 1: I feel like, along with you, thinking it's going to

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Speaker 1: be like a Nicolas cage steal Abraham his corpse. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as in like his body sands, his animating spirit, his cadaver. Okay, yeah, respect.

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Speaker 1: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers,

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Speaker 1: heist and cons. It's always murder free and ridiculous. Elizabeth,

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Speaker 1: my partner in crime. What do you know about embalming? Oh,

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Speaker 1: you say it's like you have an actual experience. I

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Speaker 1: first off, I don't. I don't think it's a good thing, okay,

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Speaker 1: because I think there's a lot of toxic, chemic non

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Speaker 1: I did not think that's told someone in French. I

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Speaker 1: him I was a taxidermist in French. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: it ran in my family on the matrilineal side. The grandmother,

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Speaker 1: have all been just playing with dead bodies and making

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Speaker 1: It's maybe not embalming person. Yeah, you know, I mean

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Speaker 1: when I stay playing with bodies, I don't mean like

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Speaker 1: it's probably the wrong one. Embalming adjacent would be taxidermy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it evolves an embalming process, right, I mean, you're craping

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Speaker 1: of days, then you go and bury him. Someone has

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Speaker 1: to sit out there for like two three weeks all

424
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Speaker 1: the time to make sure he's not dug up. And

425
00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 1: they take him to like a med school. Oh yeah,

426
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 1: they wanted the grave robbers want to grab a fresh Yeah.

427
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: I didn't know. This is wild. I was like, are

428
00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: you kidding me? Dating back between Leonardo da Vinci and

429
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 1: like basically the death of Abraham Lincoln is just consistent

430
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 1: grave robbery blew my mind. Anyway, So Lincoln's body stays

431
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,359
Speaker 1: valuable far longer than the typical two weeks, right, because

432
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:17,239
Speaker 1: fast forward to eighteen seventy six. Yeah, that's when they go,

433
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, we should go do with steal Lincoln's body.

434
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 1: It's been dead for a while, she shouldn't be moving

435
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,240
Speaker 1: around anymore. So. Lincoln's body at this point is interred

436
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 1: in above ground tomb in the Oak Ridge Cemetery. His

437
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: coffin is in a marble sarcophagus. Just picture a really

438
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: beautiful Okay, now there's no cemetery attendant, there's no guard

439
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 1: for the president, there's no groundskeeper, nothing. They don't have

440
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 1: a junkyard dog on this. They just have an attendant

441
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: for the whole cemetery, just like this one dude who's

442
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,239
Speaker 1: like in charge of the cemetery. So the only thing

443
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: that's standing in the way of like someone stealing Lincoln's

444
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 1: body is like a pad lock on the door of

445
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: the crypt. I need to revisit the idea of a

446
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 1: junkyard dog at a cemetery. It's just an amazing image. Yeah,

447
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,720
Speaker 1: it wouldn't It would be the perfect thing. Like someone

448
00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 1: wants to go. I guess that there was a problem

449
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: of peeing on the gravestones. Well there's well, yeah, there's that.

450
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 1: But also I'm just imagining that like someone is trying

451
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 1: to be like super dramatic, all dressed in black at night,

452
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: black veil style. They want to go bring flowers to

453
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,320
Speaker 1: a grave, and then they just get junkyard dog. Okay,

454
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: maybe my idea has certain holes in it. All right,

455
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't run, graveyard will work it out anyway. They

456
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,360
Speaker 1: don't have anybody, not even a junkyard dog, just a padlock,

457
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: just the pad box and Irish street gang. Oh guys,

458
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: white small time crime boss Big Jim Kenneely small time,

459
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,119
Speaker 1: Big Jim, Yeah, Big Jim, Big Jim, small time. He

460
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,360
Speaker 1: was a St. Louis regular. He wants used to own

461
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,439
Speaker 1: a livery stable and which is like if you don't know,

462
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,920
Speaker 1: it's like a running a parking garage or a car

463
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: park for our international listeners, but for horses. So people

464
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: would you know, show up in town, they gay, can

465
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 1: I parked my my horse here? He's like, yeah, I

466
00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,760
Speaker 1: need feed him intended their shoes and whatever. He got

467
00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: a really tired of the smell of horsemeneuver because he's like,

468
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 1: I need to get into some other crime, so I

469
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: need to stop just like you know, conning these people

470
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: who are new to town and really get into some

471
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: moving like future based crime. So he's like, how about counterfeiting.

472
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: Counterfeiting was the deal for him. He's like, I'm pretty

473
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 1: good at this. He gets busted early on, but he's like,

474
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna learn from that. I'm not

475
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: going to touch it anymore. I'm not going to try

476
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: to pass it, I'm gonna wholesale it. So he goes

477
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: out and he's like, you know what, I'm moving big

478
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 1: long dollars. And you have to understand, I didn't know

479
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: this at the time. In the nineteenth century, states could

480
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: print print their own money, banks could print their own money.

481
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,480
Speaker 1: There's all sorts of money out in there, especially right

482
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 1: after the Civil War, there's just tons of also Confederate

483
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 1: money that people are trying to swap out and be

484
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 1: like how much does this word? They're like, oh, bro,

485
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 1: I'll give you lots of negotiable instruments floating exactly. There

486
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: were apparently four thousand different types of counterfeit money at

487
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: the end of the Civil War, four thousand different types

488
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: that they had found, like just being out their past right,

489
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: and that's of the stuff that they found that there

490
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 1: are people like Big Jim, we're passing stuff is so

491
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 1: good people never catch it, and we're gonna get into

492
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,880
Speaker 1: this dude his like master Artists was his dude, Ben Boyd.

493
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: And that guy was so good that the US Mint

494
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: took away their five dollar plate and replaced it because

495
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 1: they're like, he's put out a hundred thousand of these.

496
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 1: There's no way we can compete. His stuff looks better

497
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,080
Speaker 1: than our stuff, so we're gonna make new plates. That's

498
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: how they would know. It's like it looked too good,

499
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: because this couldn't be one of these looks too pretty

500
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: because the plates were down after okay, So okay. In

501
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: eighteen sixty five, the US government is in a panic

502
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: because they almost lost the Civil War, at least, we're

503
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: threatened with a real challenge of winning the civil war

504
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: because there was so much funny money out there that

505
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: nearly half of the money in circulation was fake. Really, yeah,

506
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 1: So they decided to create the Secret Service and the

507
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: Secret Services there to find counterfeiters. That was their original

508
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: mandate was to go and find the counterfeiters and take

509
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: away their funny money and their fakes supply. That is

510
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: basically ruining public confidence in the dollar bill. And you

511
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 1: can't have that right now. That As I said, Ben Boyd,

512
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,160
Speaker 1: he was the greatest counterfeitter at the time, the eighteen seventies.

513
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: He was the man, right and he's Big Jim Kenneely's

514
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: money machine. So the dude is just sitting there printing

515
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 1: money wholesale large amounts, giving it to Big Jim, Big

516
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 1: Jim then has these people that are called pastors, and

517
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 1: the pastors go out and just literally passed the counterfeit

518
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: money into circulation and they get regular goods and stuff

519
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: and do it whatever they will because it was free

520
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 1: to them. So they have like a hundred and they

521
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: go buy a candy bar to the usually buy something

522
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: like because at this point they were also buying like

523
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: goods that are worth ninety dollars because they made the money.

524
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: So they you know, let's say it's a hundred dollar bill,

525
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: to them, it's worth a dollar. Everything past that dollar

526
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 1: is just pure profit for them, so they don't mind

527
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: buying a hundred dollar thing. It's basically just theft. So

528
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: they're doing that and Jim Kenneely is like loving it.

529
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: He's just got this money treat named Ben Boyd. Right,

530
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 1: but Ben Boyd gets a name for himself. The U. S.

531
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Mint people know about him, secret service notes about him.

532
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,400
Speaker 1: He becomes like public enemy number one to the money people, right,

533
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: so they go, how do we get this dude? And

534
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 1: they catch him. Eventually they bust him and his wife,

535
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 1: and now Big Jim Keneally is up agin the wall.

536
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: He's like, man, what am I gonna do. They took

537
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: away my money tree. So he comes up with a plan.

538
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: What's his plan? Steal Abraham Lincoln's body and then I

539
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: will ransom him back to the government and they will

540
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 1: give me back my counterfeitter. Yes, that's his plan. His

541
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: plan is to steal Lincoln's body and trade it for

542
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: the counterfeiter. Has a ransom plan ever worked? Yeah, yeah,

543
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: they work all the time so that someone pays a

544
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 1: ransom of them. They've never caught. Yeah, I mean like

545
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: Columbia has a whole industry, but like a high profile

546
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:34,720
Speaker 1: thing like this, you can get away with our ransom negotiations.

547
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: And the person says, I want a helicopter in a

548
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: school bus. I mean not since the seventies and the

549
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: seventies last time I think of that, where people were

550
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: able to get the plane and fly to another country.

551
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 1: Like I can't think it, so stop it, don't even

552
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 1: try stop it. So big Jim Keneey has got his plan.

553
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 1: I'm a steal President Lincoln's body. I'm gonna trade it

554
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:56,719
Speaker 1: from my counterfeiter. Ben boy to have other ideas before

555
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: he wins to steal Lincoln's body, and they were just like,

556
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that's that's a little risky. They can

557
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: give him a bunch of counterfeit money as a bride. Yeah,

558
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,880
Speaker 1: he's and they're like, no, you know what like stealing

559
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: the moon, not really going to need What if we

560
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: trade Canada for Ben Boyd? So they're like okay. Big

561
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: Jim Kenne is like, I'm gonna need some plans. I'm

562
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna need to really think about this, and

563
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: he's like, okay, I'm gonna need two plots. He comes

564
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: up with two. First one he tries is with this

565
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: other fellow counterfeiter, Ben Sheridan, barkeeper. He's like, Ben, go

566
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: down to Springfield, set up a fake bar. You and

567
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: the boys, they'll be the customers, get yourself, some sex workers,

568
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: get some clientele, going give the whole thing, like where

569
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: people believe you. And then when I tell you on

570
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: the day before the fourth of July, go and steal

571
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: Lincoln's body. He's like, all right, I'm down. But he

572
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: has to have this whole invented world just so you

573
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: go down to Springfield. He sets up shop, he opens

574
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: a saloon, and he does like the whole thing, and

575
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: his buddies are like the fake customer he has on

576
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: the other side of the bar. So he's saying his

577
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: gang to sit there and drink all day while they

578
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: wait to steal the president's body. Money did they put

579
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: out into this plan? Is that again? Remember counterfeiters, they

580
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: don't care about money. They will they will gladly give

581
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: you funny money for whatever you want. They're getting. They're

582
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: paying for beer deliveries with this funny money. They trying

583
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: to wash that money through this fake bar. No, they're

584
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: just trying to use it as money. They don't care.

585
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: They're like, we got an advantage over everybody. He doesn't

586
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: recognize this ain't real. So the problem is it's Ben

587
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 1: shared in like sex workers too much, and he goes

588
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know what, we need better sex

589
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: workers than other these ones I have. So he goes

590
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: around town to all the different brothels and he tries

591
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: to draft new sex workers to bring over to his

592
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: fake saloon that all he has to do is just

593
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: run until he gets the signal. He's like, nope, I

594
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: need better sex workers from my fake saloon. He goes

595
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: and he missed this one named Bella Bruce, and Bella

596
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: Bruce is apparently just so charming. He ends up getting

597
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: super drunk with her as he's like trying to convince

598
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 1: her to come work at his fake saloon, and then

599
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 1: he's like, what, I got a level with you. It's

600
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: not a real deal. I'm just down here to steal

601
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Old Lincoln's balls. This is why you don't tell outsiders

602
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: about your plans exactly. No, what do you think called

603
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: Bella Bruce does? Well, I'm guessing she either wants in

604
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: on it or she tells somebody she's a local, she's

605
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: a sex worker with the heart of goal. She goes

606
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: right to the sheriff and tells him here's the whole plan.

607
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: So now Sheridan and his men wake up to the

608
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: sheriff and the deputy's standing over and going, what are

609
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: you boys in town here to do? Yeah, you know,

610
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: you just open a business, but we probably should leave.

611
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: And so they just cut down from bar and we're

612
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: certainly not here to I don't know, steal a president.

613
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: If anybody told you think about stealing the president, they're

614
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: a liar. It's I bet at the bar was probably

615
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: like one of those. I think every neighborhood has a

616
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: restaurant or a shop where you don't see any front. Yeah,

617
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: it's like in West Hollywood. The ust have these like

618
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: Russian boutiques for these like the women and be like

619
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: stuff is super expensive. There's like seven things for sale

620
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: and all these black Mercedes out in front of the place.

621
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, yeah, or like little restaurants would

622
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: be Colonel's paying for this little restaurants. You go in,

623
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: They're like, sorry, we're out of food, and there's like

624
00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: eight guys sitting in there. Okay. So the first plan

625
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: fails and his men have to leave Springfield after the

626
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: sheriff hassles him. Big Jim Conneely is like, man, I'm

627
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: about to leave St. Louis and handle this myself. So

628
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: he goes to Chicago and he visits his favorite bar.

629
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: It's like is a home away from home. It's a

630
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: real bar. It's a whata. It's called the Hub. Now.

631
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: This is basically a nineteenth century dive bar. It's the

632
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: kind of place where local hoods and passers and tufts

633
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: hang out. It's a great place to get a communical

634
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: bull disease right, Just a fun, fun place. And over

635
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: the bar they have a bust of Abraham Lincoln it's

636
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: kind of like the little like keepsake of the bar.

637
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Now the owners dude named Terence Mullin. Right now, this

638
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: dude is twenty seven years at the time. His partner

639
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: as a man named Jack Hughes. Now, no, I don't

640
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: mean like yeah, but actually it is Jack Hughes. You know,

641
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: he's a professional pastor. He works for Big Jim Kenneely

642
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: and uh he's over there always drinking at the hub.

643
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: So we have Mullen, Hughes, and Big Jim Kenneely. That's

644
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: our core three. The three of them decide, you know,

645
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to handle this ourselves. We're gonna go

646
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: down to Springfield. So they come up with this whole plan.

647
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: They're like Big Jim's like, here's boys, what we're gonna do.

648
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: We're gonna go down there. We'll steal Lincoln. We'll put

649
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: them on a wagon. We'll have horses on different relay

650
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: stations and will run a back up that night and

651
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: we'll get to like, you know, run thirty miles, will

652
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: be horses wait and we'll switch those horses out attached

653
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: into the wagon, go another thirty miles. Ghulu this for

654
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: two miles till we get back to Chicago. And then

655
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: once we get back to Chicago, we're gonna go down

656
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: to this old beer cave I know, and we're gonna

657
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: stash the body in there. And they're like okay, that yeah,

658
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: right in the sand, and we'll mark it with these

659
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: permanent like you know, fixtures on the land, so we'll

660
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: be able to triangulate where the president is in case

661
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: the tide moves the sand. They're like, I love this,

662
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: Big Jim. Let's do it, Big Jim. They're doing their

663
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: own little victory tour. Yeah. He's like, I gotta get

664
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Ben Boyd my money machine back. I'm gonna do this, son.

665
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,239
Speaker 1: They're like, do we believe you, Big Jim. We're about this.

666
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,719
Speaker 1: Let's do this. And it's like okay. There was one problem,

667
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 1: which is how do you convince the US government that

668
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: you have Abraham Lincoln's body if you did steal it? Oh?

669
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: Well yeah. That's the thing is that they probably just

670
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 1: didn't because everyone will be like, oh, I got Lincoln's body.

671
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: So how do you like separate yourself from all the

672
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: cooks who claim to have Lincoln. Well, I mean they'll

673
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: go and check and he's not there. But you say, like, oh,

674
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 1: I have him. You don't tell him where you have him.

675
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 1: You're trying to train he's gone. He's like, look, I

676
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: want you to tell Ben Boyd he's about to be

677
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: sprung so uh. And they're like, well, how do we

678
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: know that? We should you prepare Ben Boyd to be

679
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: released to you? And he's like, look, I've got this

680
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: way of telling you you're ready. He comes up with

681
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: this ingenious plan. He buys an English newspaper rights it's

682
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: the Catholic Union in Times, which is a very rare

683
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: newspaper in Chicago. He goes down to this one new

684
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: stand and he knows he'll have it. He buys this

685
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: rare English newspaper. He then tears off a corner from

686
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: the piece of paper. He then gives this to his

687
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: guys and say leave this in the crypt. And he

688
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: takes the rest of it, the piece that he had

689
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: ripped it from, and he puts it in the bust

690
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: of Lincoln and he hides it away and he says,

691
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: this will be the authentication key, because of course the

692
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: cops are gonna see this in the crypt. They think

693
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: it's a clue. They'll take it. Then he'll be like,

694
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: you know that piece of paper you have. Here's the

695
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: other end. They're like, you have Lincoln's body, right, pretty good.

696
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: I thought it was a territable rockets from the crypt. Yeah, really,

697
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: Just so he's earning the big Gym and Big Jim

698
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: Cane big for brains. So now we have to enter

699
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: the Secret Service. Now, remember how the Secret Service gets

700
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: formed to come back the counterfeiters and their money that's

701
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: threatening the public's confidence. Well, they hire a tough guy

702
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: to run it, this former Chicago chief of Police. And

703
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: his name is Elmer Washburn. That's a tough name, yea

704
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: Elmer Washburn. Now, but he's got the gangbuster energy like

705
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: way before Elliott and Neston, like the like legit Chicago,

706
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take down the criminals kind of guy. Right,

707
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 1: And he hires this other dude he knows, total Dudley

708
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: do right type. And the guy is Patrick Terrell. Right,

709
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: he goes, you're in charge of the Chicago Bureau. I

710
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: need a good man, a man I can trust who

711
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: won't get you know, corrupted by the Chicago influences, because

712
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 1: that was true in Chicago before Capone. Really shocking, right. Yeah,

713
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: So eighteen seventy six, it's October. There's Secret Service agents

714
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: now just out working everything, trying to do counterfeiting. One

715
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: of them here's about this. There's this tip off about, oh,

716
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: someone's trying to steal Abraham Lincoln's body. Immediately goes to

717
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Terrell because they know that Dudley do Right is like

718
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: the one person who this will not become like this

719
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: will not be leaked to whoever is corrupt people that

720
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: they leak stuff from the Secret Service. So they go

721
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: to him and he's like, oh man, this is serious.

722
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: He goes to his boss and he's like, we need

723
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: to do something about this. So he's like, what is

724
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: what should we do? And he's like, okay, I got

725
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,840
Speaker 1: the perfect guy. I know this guy. He's like, semi

726
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: legit will get him in. So he brings in Louis C.

727
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 1: Swiggles Right. Terrell tells Swiggles He's like, I want you

728
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,760
Speaker 1: to go undercover in Big Jim's gang. Seles like word really,

729
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: Like I mean like I don't know about those guys.

730
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: I mean like I'm on the street, but like you know,

731
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 1: I don't know if they know me like that, And

732
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: he's like, look, they're gonna steal Lincoln's body. He's like, okay,

733
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,320
Speaker 1: I'll do it. So then he goes down to the

734
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: Hub and he starts like trying to win over Jack

735
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: Hughes and and Terence Mullen, and they're like, they're real criminals.

736
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 1: So they're super suspicious. They're not into this dude, right.

737
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: They're like, hey, man, what's your story? And he's like, man,

738
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: people know me on the streets. He's like, tell him,

739
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 1: like who he knows? Dropping names? And he is a

740
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: legitimate criminal. He was he semi legit right he was,

741
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: And so people down the street they know that he's

742
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: worked with the Secret Service, but he keeps acting like

743
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: I'm con in the Secret Service and getting legitimacy from them.

744
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,240
Speaker 1: People are like, oh man, he's so smart that Lewis

745
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: swiggles Man. I'm telling you it sounds a lot like

746
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 1: Elliott Stabler, your favorite show, what's that one? Organized? The

747
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Empire State of Mark. Now. Jack Hughes he is not

748
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: so sold on this dude. He's like, I don't know

749
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 1: about swiggles Man. I mean talks talks the streets. Streets

750
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: can be wrong. Whisco find ourselves a dirty cop. So

751
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: then they get this dirty cop. They though they take

752
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,439
Speaker 1: him out for drinks mullins and and hughes. They go, man,

753
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: they ply him with booze, and then eventually, once the

754
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: guy is good and drunk, they go, hey, man, you

755
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: know that dude, Swiggles, what's up with that man? He's like, oh, man,

756
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: he's the biggest horse thief in the country. And they're like, like,

757
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: because he knows the guy's undercover apparently, but he also

758
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: knows he's dirty, so he just tells him the dirty

759
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: stuff and then that's good enough, and they're like cool.

760
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: They go back to him the head, Hey, Swiggles, man,

761
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: we got this new thing that we're putting together. You know,

762
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna steal like this dead body and ransom at you.

763
00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: You into it and he's like, no, I'm good. He's

764
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: hard together them. He just out neggs them right, And

765
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: they're like, wait, can I just say that if they

766
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: find out about this plot, why didn't they prevent it

767
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: by putting a guard at the tombs? A very good

768
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: rather than just the I'll tell you we will get

769
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,919
Speaker 1: to that. Okay, I will definitely tell you we're almost there.

770
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 1: But if you want to know, it's a very complicated

771
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: answer of subterfuge. I'm just using my tactician's mind. Yes,

772
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: very Elliott stable trained mind. You gotta go there, like

773
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: I find under cover. I just want to know. So

774
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: a week later, their plan hasn't been leaks and now

775
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, we can trust Swiegles right, And they're

776
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: like so they go back to him. They hey, man,

777
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Swiggles Mber that thing we told you last week. You

778
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: want to get in on this. He's like, I thought

779
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, so let's get that bread. So like, okay,

780
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 1: man about it. So they take him to go meet

781
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: Big Jim. So now he's totally like sealed up in

782
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: the deal. And so what does he do. He's like, hey, man,

783
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: is to me too, Big Jim. He gets all locked

784
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: up and everything. So then he goes and he has

785
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: to contact his Chicago bureau chief, Terrell, to tell him

786
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: how well things are going. But he can't just go

787
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: right to him, so he goes to his lawyer, the

788
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: lawyer that he used for all of his previous criminal

789
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: context because he had like you know, cases against him,

790
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: and he goes to him. He's like, dude, get this

791
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: message to do it at the courthouse. Dude goes down

792
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: to courthouse gets in the message. He says, look, they're

793
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: going forward with the crime. What are we gonna do?

794
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: Do you want me to uh like let this happen

795
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: or do you want me to be like interrupted? Stop it?

796
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: Like what? Which? I don't know how to play this window?

797
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, they're they're totally about to do this, and

798
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 1: he's like. Terrell gets this message from the lawyer at

799
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: the courthouse and he's like, oh man, they're serious. They're

800
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: gonna do it. They're gonna steal Lincoln's body. What should

801
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: we do? He doesn't know what to do, so he

802
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: talks to his boss and elmert Elmer doesn't know what

803
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 1: to do, and he's like, contact the director in Washington.

804
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: Telegrams the director in Washington, director of Secret Services, like

805
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: they're gonna steal Lincoln's body. Can we let them do that?

806
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, we need a crime to prosecute. He's like, okay.

807
00:38:57,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: He contacts Robert Lincoln, Robert Lincoln, the only surviving son

808
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: of Lincoln's, like, let him steal Dad. So he sends

809
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: a message and so he gets Tyrrell gets the telegram

810
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 1: back go ahead, and so he then tells Swiggles go ahead,

811
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,800
Speaker 1: let it happen. Now, we'll be back after this break,

812
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: and I will tell you the wild conclusion of the

813
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: attempt to steal Lincoln's body. So now we have the

814
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: crime is set, the plans in motion. Everybody knows, both

815
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: bad guys and good guys, what's about to go down. Swiggles,

816
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 1: we know most of what happens because of his account

817
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: to the Chicago Tribune. He tells all of this to

818
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 1: a newspaperman. So I will be quoting from this account

819
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: rather liberally. Here we go, as Swiggles talking to the

820
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,839
Speaker 1: Tribune quote, I got myself up in their minds, not

821
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: by praising myself, but my friends, Frenchie the Burglar, Billy

822
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: Ray and others. I had a letter from Frenchie, who

823
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: was in Michigan City Penitentiary. They thought I was a

824
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: first classman, or I would not be known by such men.

825
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: So that's in bragging how he got inside, right, French Burglar, Yeah, totally,

826
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: I like French. Yeah, Frenchie the Burglar. So Swiggles, now

827
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: he's got all their trust. He's like, you know what,

828
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need some backup because I'm undercover. I need

829
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: someone watching my six So He's like, hey, guys, I

830
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: got the perfect man for us. He can run the wagon.

831
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, yeah, we need a wagon man. He's

832
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: like yeah, So I quote Billy Brown o Woaukegan. He

833
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: is straight and I knew he could be trusted. He

834
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: can talk crooked. He had driven a hack and he

835
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: learned all the slang. What I said, get him. They

836
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: wanted to see him. So he's like, now he's got

837
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: his inside man, Billy Brown from Waukegan. So he gets

838
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: Jack Hughes and Terence Mullins to meet Billy Brown. Billy

839
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 1: Brown gets approved and he and Swiggles has told Billy

840
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: Brown man, I'm working for undercover for the Secret Service.

841
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: So now he's brought in somebody else to be his

842
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: like I don't know, outsourced undercover work. He's like help, yeah,

843
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: he's down. He's he is somebody wants work to hack.

844
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: So now Louis Wiggles hasn't been informing Terrell, his boss,

845
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: of every move so far and been trying to get

846
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: him ready. Now Terrell, in response, he's trying to go

847
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: to Secret Service and convince him I need agents. They're

848
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: going to steal the president's body. They're like, yeah, yeah,

849
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: you got this man. So he then has to go

850
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: hire some private detectives. He hired I knew it, yes,

851
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: And so then he calls up his boss. So, now

852
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,839
Speaker 1: who is the former chief because Elmer Washburn has left

853
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: the Secret Service and he's now and he's just like

854
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know freelancing. So he's got

855
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 1: two private Pinkerton detectives and his former boss and he

856
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: then Dudley do right, Patrick Terrell. They go all down

857
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: to Springfield together to stop the robbery. So now it's

858
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: the knight of the robbery. We're in the oak Ridge Cemetery.

859
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: Every time you say this, I think of the oak

860
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 1: Ridge Boy. I'm not going to sing a song I

861
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: was going to, but I'm not going to anyway. So

862
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: terre All and his boys they go out to the cemetery.

863
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: They get the lay of the land and he tells

864
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: the Pinkerton's you go hide near the tomb in this

865
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: memorial hall. I'll be out there to join you. And

866
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: he says, all right, guys, take off your boots. We

867
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,479
Speaker 1: don't want to leave any footprints in the grass. Total

868
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Dudley do right, like this, go We're going to do

869
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: with this guys, and they're like, take off your boots

870
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: and ps, I have a foot fet in. Yeah, I

871
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: just like sink toes, but don't look if I'm staring.

872
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,800
Speaker 1: So now Swiegels are undercover. Man. He's got Billy Brown

873
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: waiting with a wagon down by the gate to the cemetery.

874
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 1: At least that's what he's told everyone. There is no

875
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Billy Brown. There is no wagon. He just has Billy

876
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: Brown in town, hanging out. He's not doing anything. Yeah,

877
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: there's no fast escape waiting for the grave robbers, but

878
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: they're convinced that there is, right it's key part of

879
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: their plan. So now everything goes into action. It's dark

880
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: of night, there's a light fog passing over the cemetery.

881
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: Everything's a little spooky and Jack Hughes steps out of

882
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 1: the darkness and goes up to the door of the tomb.

883
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 1: He sees the lock and he's like, we're gonna have

884
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: to cut that lock. So that's luckily they brought a saw.

885
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: They start using it, but these guys aren't good but

886
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: tools are criminals, so they break the saw about a

887
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 1: third of the wedge of the lock. Then they have

888
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: they pull out a nail file and they deal. The

889
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 1: rest of the takes half an hour. So everyone's hiding

890
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: there and waiting for them to get through this lock,

891
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: and they finally they get through the locks. They open

892
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 1: the tomb door, the body snatches, They light a match.

893
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 1: The darkness is like just kind of receding against the match,

894
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: and then their eyes are adjusting to the darkness, and

895
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: in the center of tomb they see Lincoln sarcophagus marble beautiful.

896
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, man, Terence Mullins, he gets all excited.

897
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: He wind mills up his axe ready to smash the

898
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: sarcop I guess Louis Swiggle stops him. He's like what

899
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: and I quote, I said to him, hold on, if

900
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: we can get the lid off, we can put it

901
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: on again and it won't be known that the coffin

902
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: is gone. He didn't know about that it might be cemented.

903
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: So he shoved the edge of the axe under the

904
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: lid and it came off easily. There was only plaster

905
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 1: of Paris to keep the two lids together. And he's like,

906
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 1: check out the brains here, man, you don't need big

907
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 1: Jim Kenneely here. He got the big Jim. The brains

908
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: of Lewis if they had that much trouble with a padlock.

909
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,919
Speaker 1: Yeah right, I'm gonna imagine that he's gonna like hit

910
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: the marble with the axe. It's gonna bounce back. So

911
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: they managed to open the sarcophagus with the axe. They

912
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: lift out the coffin. They lifted only a foot because

913
00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: the thing weighs about five hundred pounds. They're like, why

914
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 1: does it think so heavy? It's made of lead, so

915
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: it's super heavy. They're like, hey, Swiegels, go grab Billy Brown.

916
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,839
Speaker 1: We're gonna need somebody else. So he's like, yeah, yeah,

917
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: grabbed Billy Brown. So he takes off. He runs away

918
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: from the crypt. He runs out and he finds her agent,

919
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: Terrell is hiding, and I quote I started off. They

920
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: were gathering up the tools when I left. I went

921
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: to the foot of the terrace and started towards the road,

922
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: and then took a shoot among the trees and looked

923
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: around to see that they were not following me. When

924
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of woods between them and me,

925
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 1: I turned sharp to the right and up toward the

926
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: road leading to the Memorial Hall, and when I got there,

927
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: explained the situation to Terrell and the officers came out

928
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: and went around the corner. I stayed in the hall.

929
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: So at this point he's no longer a good witness.

930
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: Right now, Agent Terrell and the two pager in tens

931
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: they rushed down to the tomb. The grave robbers are inside,

932
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 1: but they get separated in the dark. Right So now

933
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: remember they're all still shoeless. One of the paker tins

934
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: he slips and accidentally fires his old cap and ball

935
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: pistol tomb. So now the grave robbers here a gun

936
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 1: fire in the distance or you know, not too distance,

937
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: and they cut they split out of the tomb. Tyrrell

938
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: rushes into the tomb by himself, misses the grave robbers.

939
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: He's all like fired up to catch him, and he

940
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: runs in. They're gone, and he's like darn it, and

941
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: he sees that he's just alone with Lincoln's corpse and

942
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: he says this to himself, Ah, no fiend is here,

943
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: total Dudley direct right. So Agent Arrell then rushes back outside.

944
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,280
Speaker 1: Is he even catch his would be thieves? He spots

945
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,479
Speaker 1: two men moving in the darkness. He's like, they're about

946
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: seventy feet from him. He takes aim and he fires right,

947
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,319
Speaker 1: but he misses his mark. The two dark figures they

948
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: turn and they fire back. Agent Terrell is like, oh,

949
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: taking cover. Now, these two groups they run around in

950
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,359
Speaker 1: the dark, firing at each other. They take new high ground,

951
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,800
Speaker 1: they take new low ground. They keep gun fighting back

952
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: and forth. Right Finally, in the heat of the gunfight,

953
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,120
Speaker 1: Agent Trrell shouts out to his boss, Elmer, Chief, we

954
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: have the devil's up here. Then he shouts to the

955
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 1: Pinkerton detectives to come help him stop the grave robbers.

956
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: And that's when one of the men Agent Terrell's shouting

957
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:12,439
Speaker 1: to yells back from the darkness. Terrell is that you what.

958
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: An uncomfortable moment passes between them, shoutside again from the darkness, Terrell,

959
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 1: for God's sakes, answer is that you shooting at us.

960
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 1: So the two groups have just been firing at each other.

961
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: Cops have been firing at nothing but other cops. Meanwhile,

962
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: the body snatchers have totally sneaked away into the darkness.

963
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: Gotten away. Now, just for comparison sakes, I checked the

964
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: Secret Service uh the official website, and they have an

965
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: account of this story. It's slightly different than what I

966
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: just read, and I quote on the night of November six,

967
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: the law men, at a distance, surrounded the tomb and

968
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: waited in the dark. After almost two hours, the would

969
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: be grave robbers appeared and entered the tomb with crowbars.

970
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: They managed to move the great stone block that covered

971
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: the casket. Then a shot rang out a detective's percussion

972
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: cap still had fired accidentally. Hearing this, the other police

973
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: figured the robbers were firing at them, so they returned

974
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the fire, and for a moment, guns blazed at unseen targets.

975
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: During the confusion, the criminals escaped. Interesting way of telling

976
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: that story, isn't it. Stuff happened, Guns were firing, The

977
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: guns were firing themselves. The old officer involved shootings of

978
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: the world. Now they know, after they leave out that

979
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,879
Speaker 1: little friendly firepart, we have to get back to the

980
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: real purpose of the story, which is Lincoln's body, which

981
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 1: is apparently safe because remember they only lifted it a

982
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: foot out and they couldn't actually carry it, and then

983
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: they cut right so now Lincoln's body is just sitting

984
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: there in the casket, propped up half out of its sarcophagus,

985
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: and uh, they basically have to escape the scene because

986
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: there's no way they're gonna go back on their own,

987
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: just the two of them and pull this five pounds out.

988
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: They have no idea where their their man Swiggles is

989
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: so and they have no idea where Billy Brown is.

990
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: They assumed like, oh, he must have run off in

991
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: the dark too because of the gun fire. Right, So,

992
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 1: at this point Big Jim Kenneely's gang is pretty much

993
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:02,320
Speaker 1: given up on stealing Lincoln's body and is now just

994
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 1: trying to save their own and Terence Mullins Jack Hughes

995
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: decided to run back to Chicago or as bad as

996
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: close as they can get to it, and they take

997
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: off in the dark, and they're crossing farmlands in I

998
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: don't know if you think about this, but Illinois farmland

999
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,959
Speaker 1: after the harvest is pretty much just a barren, really

1000
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: depressing kind of scene. There's no trolleys working at this time,

1001
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: there's no really much traffic. So they're walking across farmland

1002
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and in the morning, eventually they find this farmer who's

1003
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: gonna they pay him to make them breakfast. Meanwhile, cut

1004
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: back to the Secret Service agents and the Pinkerton's who

1005
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 1: were also walking across this same farmland, and they don't

1006
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 1: run into each other because they walk in the direction

1007
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: of Springfield. They make it back Springfield, they catch a

1008
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: train back to Chicago. They're on the midnight train back

1009
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: to Chicago. They never ever managed to catch Mullins or

1010
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,879
Speaker 1: Hughes while they're there. Hugh was in Mullins escape. After

1011
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: they have their breakfast with the farmer. Jack Hughes is like,

1012
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm going back to the family farm, takes off right

1013
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: and then Molins like I'm going back to the Hub.

1014
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 1: He goes right back to his bar. That's the real one. Yeah.

1015
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: And then so Louis Weige he shows up at the

1016
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Hub because now he's been tasked by Terrell is I

1017
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: want to get these guys because they've embarrassed him. So

1018
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: he's demanding that this guy hang out around these guys

1019
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: until they all are all together and he can bust him.

1020
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,000
Speaker 1: So Swegels is hanging out at the Hub pretending like yeah, man,

1021
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:16,760
Speaker 1: when that crazy and we all had to run away

1022
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: and they're like what are you talking and Steve like no,

1023
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: I was right behind you. I heard you guys. You

1024
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: guys just good in to hear me like yeah, huh.

1025
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: So now Jack Hughes finally eventually shows up at the

1026
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:27,479
Speaker 1: Hub because he just can't stay away from the action.

1027
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: He's like, forget the family farm. There's a reason why

1028
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: I left. It's way more fun there. So in November seventeenth,

1029
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Terree agent Terrell walks into the Hub and with him

1030
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 1: as Elmer Washburn and a Chicago cup they're there to

1031
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: arrest Terence Mullins and Jack Hughes Big Jim Kneeling. He's

1032
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: off site in St. Louis, but he does get charges

1033
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: later on the trial for these two. Oh my god,

1034
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: do you think they're dumb as criminals? Wait till you

1035
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: see them when they are indicted criminals. So they're in

1036
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 1: court and Terence Mullins gets the brave idea or brilliant idea.

1037
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,920
Speaker 1: Rather to ask people to aliby him, he decides to

1038
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: send letters from jail asking for an alibis and he

1039
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: tells that people say at this tell him that, of

1040
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:06,959
Speaker 1: course he doesn't recognize that the letters are opened and red.

1041
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: So the letters are intercepted and then they are read

1042
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: in court. Now, this is one an example of one

1043
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,360
Speaker 1: of the letters he wrote to a dude named William

1044
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 1: Birdsall quote, if you can't prove you took us towards chestnut,

1045
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: get things fixed solids. You can prove that we stayed

1046
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Speaker 1: with you all night. I think you can do it

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00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: if you only use your head a little. Hughes has long,

1048
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 1: thin whiskers of a sandy color, is not very fleshy,

1049
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: about five eight Mullins is about five ft seven. It's

1050
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: just long mustache and is rather fleshy. We will secure

1051
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 1: the money for you. So he's giving them like a

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00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 1: witness statement of like just remember once rather fleshy, one's

1053
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: not so fleshy mustache sandy color, and say use your

1054
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 1: head a little, right, So, like I don't know, I

1055
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: just kind of love the term rather fleshy. Like you

1056
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: just don't hear people describe themselves like that anymore, Like

1057
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 1: what's like, what is Daron? Like he's a little he

1058
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: could use a little more flesh, you know, honestly not fleshy.

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00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: Doesn't take the jerry long. They return the verdict we

1060
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: all would suspect guilty. They're convicted. They have to do

1061
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: one year each, one day of which is spent in

1062
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: solitary confinement, the rest of the time hard labor. So

1063
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: they're taking bigger turning into small rocks. Now there's remains

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00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: the same question after their trial, what do we do

1065
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: with Lincoln's body? Put it somewhere secure. Yes, But there's

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00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: an interesting little side story, which is one thing in

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00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: the body was out of the sarcophagus. The groundskeeper that

1068
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: I told you about, who ran the cemetery. He springs

1069
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: into action. Now now he's like, now he care care.

1070
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: So he grabs five of his friends. They go and

1071
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: they get their shovels, and they dig a hole in

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Speaker 1: the crypt and they rebury Lincoln in the crypt, and

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00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: then they hide the evidence of what they've done, and

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00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: they won't tell anybody where they've buried him. And they

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00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 1: five of them, the five men in him, so I

1076
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: guess the six of them. Rather, they take an oath

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Speaker 1: of silence, and they will not tell anybody where Lincoln's

1078
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,799
Speaker 1: body is buried. Well they tell, do they tell the authorities? Yeah,

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00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: I buried him. Yeah. They just basically like, oh, yeah,

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00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: I know it is. They call themselves Lincoln's guard of Honor.

1081
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:07,319
Speaker 1: Now this last until nineteen o one. Robert Lincoln's like,

1082
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,759
Speaker 1: I'm getting old, I'm getting on. I gotta take care

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00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: of pop. So he's like, dig him up. So yeah,

1084
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: he has his dad dug up, and he's like, we

1085
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: need to, like, you know, make sure that he's never

1086
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: robbed again. So they did. They broke their coat of silence.

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00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,319
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because he, Robert Lincoln, was the only person

1088
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 1: who knew. They told him, but everybody else they refused

1089
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: to tell. So the Lincoln family in Robert Lincoln knew. Now.

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00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,640
Speaker 1: Robert Lincoln went on to become the president of the

1091
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: Pullman Company, and the Pullman guy, the president of Pullman,

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00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: had himself buried with cement in this metal sleeve. So

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00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,839
Speaker 1: Robert Lincoln's like, I know what to do with dad.

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00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: So he gets a metal sleeve and he has the

1095
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: coffin slid into the sleeve. He digs a ten foot

1096
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: deep vault and then he has the coffin lowered into

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00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,240
Speaker 1: that vault and he fills it up with concrete. Wow,

1098
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: never to be ever disturbed ever again. Now. But the

1099
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: interesting thing I thought was kind of say funny but interesting,

1100
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: is when they dug up a Lincoln. They opened up

1101
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: the casket at nineteen o one, and then they were

1102
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 1: surprised he looked exactly the way he did when he

1103
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: had died. Because those embalming people on the farewell. Ghoul

1104
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: Tour had propped him up with so much embalming flid.

1105
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: He was basically just this total statue. They said you

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00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: could look at his face and still see almost the

1107
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: life in it, a perfectly mummified face. Just he looked

1108
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 1: exactly like himself, just dead. Yeah. So now, also I

1109
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: found out Lincoln was the only president who suffered a

1110
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: gang move. Someone also tried to steal George Washington. What Yeah, Like,

1111
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,880
Speaker 1: apparently stealing presidents used to be a past time in

1112
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: America that we should bring back nobody Apparently, like in

1113
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,800
Speaker 1: eighteen thirty there was his plot to body jack George Washington.

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00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: So there's this there's this local doctor who was like,

1115
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: I want a relic of power, I need Washington's skull.

1116
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: And so he goes to this unnamed gardener who apparently

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00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:50,760
Speaker 1: worked at the Washington family's plot, and he says, steal

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00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,960
Speaker 1: the skull of George Washington. So you guys like, alright,

1119
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: bet how much? And so they apparently haggle over the price.

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Speaker 1: The gardener next time on his shift he goes into

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00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 1: the crips like, let me see you like find that

1122
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 1: skull problem, miss that the Washington family has been keeping

1123
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: all their bodies above ground because it's so swampy in

1124
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: that so they're like, you know, buried like New Orleans style,

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00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: above ground. But they were in wooden caskets, and the

1126
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: wooden caskets all rotted, so the bodies have fallen out

1127
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: of the caskets and it's just a pile of bones

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00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: on the ground. He doesn't know what to do. He

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00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: grabs the wrong skull. Oh So, anyway, that was the

1130
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: plot to steal George Washington. It too failed because of criminalities. Anyway,

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00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 1: the last thing I thought was interesting about this is

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00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies six part. Do you remember what happened in

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00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: eighteen seventy six in American politics? Rutherford B. Hayes ran

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00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: for election against Samuel Tilden the presidential election, and at

1135
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:42,840
Speaker 1: the end of it nobody could tell who won. It

1136
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: was like a bush Gore moment. So then it comes

1137
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: the eighteen seventy seven Hayes Compromise, which says that Hayes

1138
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: canna be president if the Republicans end reconstruction. Yeah, yeah,

1139
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: that's all coming back to me now. They tried to

1140
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 1: steal his body the day before action day of the

1141
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: presidential election, so they basically try to steal Lincoln's body,

1142
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: and then what happens. The election occurs. Hayes wins and

1143
00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: then undoes the legacy of Lincoln, all that stuff that

1144
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:14,480
Speaker 1: people had fought and died for to achieve in to advance, uncut, undercut,

1145
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 1: and undone pretty much by the election of Hayes. And

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00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: then we get Jim Crow and all this is forgotten

1147
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: because nobody knows that they stole Lincoln's body because of

1148
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 1: this election. The election pretty much consumes the news. So

1149
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: you were able to steal the old president's body and

1150
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,640
Speaker 1: nobody would even know it outside of the Chicago Land

1151
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: area because everyone was so busy worried about the election.

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00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: Out of all of this stuff that happens, the only

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00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 1: per people who really have a big come up not

1154
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 1: Ben Boyd, the money machine he stays in prison, Not

1155
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: big Jim kinneely eventually faced his charges. None of the

1156
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: guys who are the criminals, not even Louis Swiegel. He

1157
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: doesn't get a come up. Terrell doesn't get a come up.

1158
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 1: You know, gets to come up. The Secret Service, because

1159
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: they're able to protect the president's dead body, they get

1160
00:55:57,719 --> 00:56:00,439
Speaker 1: dubbed the official protectors of the U S. President. That's

1161
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: why they went from the from counterfeit money to officially

1162
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: protecting the presidentuties as a sign. And they really didn't

1163
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 1: do anything. It's just failing up the American way, right.

1164
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, that's incredible. So what's our ridiculous takeaway

1165
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: after this fair tale? Um? I think our ridiculous takeaway

1166
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: is that I'm so stuck on the fact that they

1167
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: find out there's a plot to steal the corps and

1168
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 1: instead of securing the location of the corpse, they do

1169
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 1: this Keystone Cops thing that is, hide in the dark

1170
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: shoe list and then shoot the ground. Yeah, yet another

1171
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: reason not to Yeah, Like, rather than like let's just

1172
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: go grab these guys and not let this happen, Yeah,

1173
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: they're like, let's let it happen and then we'll have

1174
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: a crime. I mean, I suppose they wanted to lure

1175
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,319
Speaker 1: them in like an entrapment situation. They can, yeah, but

1176
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: then they can convict them. Otherwise they're just conspiracy charges

1177
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: and so forth. Or they just thwart the plot and

1178
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: then they know these guys are going to think of

1179
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,160
Speaker 1: something else to steal, so you might as well up.

1180
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: Good point, My ridiculous takeaway, I don't want to be embalmed.

1181
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:08,279
Speaker 1: What did I say, Well, yeah, I mean I think

1182
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: there's other routes between cremation and being embalmed, true Viking funeral. Yeah,

1183
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,080
Speaker 1: I'd want to just be cut in half and just

1184
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 1: throw half in the ocean and throw half in the

1185
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: forest and let me be sorted out by the animals

1186
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: and the bugs. Although that's illegal. I've asked about with lawyers.

1187
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: You can't. It's apparently toxic waste to dump a body

1188
00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: and like a human body or in the forest, it's

1189
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: considered like a total toxic waste, so I can't do

1190
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:39,320
Speaker 1: it legally. It will be my last crime. All right. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us, and thank you for listening.

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