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Speaker 1: Welcome back to All the Smoke. Day two. We got

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Speaker 1: a straight to the league guy today played sixteen years.

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Speaker 1: Second act is interesting. I definitely want to hear about this.

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Speaker 1: Retired in twenty twenty two. Now I was a writer

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Speaker 1: and a photographer for the NBA. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: C J. Miles. Talk to us about your transition from

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Speaker 1: the league to actually writing for the league and photographing

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Speaker 1: for the league. That's an interesting route that I haven't heard.

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't heard another player kind of

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Speaker 1: take that route. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Man, it just came from first of all, love of

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Speaker 2: the game, right, like wanting to figure out new ways

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Speaker 2: to stay involved with it, staying relationship with it, doing AAU,

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Speaker 2: doing all these different things, right. And then I was

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Speaker 2: already in the photography before I retired. Okay, I was

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Speaker 2: carrying my camera around plenty. I just obviously want shoot

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Speaker 2: bsketball because I'm stooping. And then I just was able

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Speaker 2: to transition all that into it writing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: I was already doing music, doing poetry, doing all that stuff.

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Speaker 2: So like I just turned everything into a lens on

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Speaker 2: the game and then just trying to give out different perspectives.

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Speaker 1: Journalists and NBA players kind of have a complicated history.

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Speaker 1: Obviously it's changed a little bit with more former guys

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Speaker 1: jumping into the media. How do you observe and watch

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Speaker 1: as a former player who's now not necessarily on the

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Speaker 1: other side, but just in the journalistic lens now.

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Speaker 2: You know, a lot of journalism now has got a

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Speaker 2: lot of heavy bias in it, right Like, it's never

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Speaker 2: just about the game, it's about this conversation they bring

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Speaker 2: in to dress around the game, right like the relationship

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Speaker 2: they got with a player they don't like or having

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Speaker 2: liked not just is nasty and exactly right now. So

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Speaker 2: like I think with our lens's former players, without that bias,

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Speaker 2: attacking the game gives us a different outlook, right like,

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Speaker 2: because I know and I have no problem speaking the

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Speaker 2: truth about it. Like somebody's stink right now. They stink,

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Speaker 2: right like, I ain't trying to dress it up. I

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Speaker 2: like his game, but he's stinkd right now.

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Speaker 1: But I also think to your point, because you've done it,

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Speaker 1: you know how to critique without disrespecting. And I think

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Speaker 1: that for the kind of the line, there's no line

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Speaker 1: in the stand no more. It's it's attacking them for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they have to attack because if there's ever

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Speaker 2: a chance that we get to sit down, the conversation

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Speaker 2: won't last long because they don't watch the game or

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Speaker 2: know the game enough to be able to break it

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Speaker 2: down in a way, to say it that way. I

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Speaker 2: got Scott Report still burned in my head. I know

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Speaker 2: where he was supposed to be at. I'm aheaded. That's

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Speaker 2: what photography is so easy for me because I know

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Speaker 2: where people supposed to be at. I'm ahead of to

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Speaker 2: play a lot of times because I'm like, he's supposed

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Speaker 2: to already be there, right, I can't turn that off.

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Speaker 2: So I think all of that insight is what really helps.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. I know eton Thomas is in a similar space.

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Speaker 1: I think with the Atlantic is that who he's with

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Speaker 1: are the Guardian or something like that, something along those lines.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel I know I do. Do you feel

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Speaker 1: like more players should jump into that journalistic space?

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Speaker 2: I think so because as we both know, like basketball

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Speaker 2: Like they take the game with all the replays is

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Speaker 2: all that this the hindsight, and then they form it

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Speaker 2: it's like I don't like they asking them questions Like

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Speaker 2: I don't know, like because we speak differently.

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Speaker 3: We speak with our actions. That's what the athletes do

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Speaker 2: So when the game end and you ask me these questions,

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Speaker 2: like I just talked for three hours and you want

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Speaker 2: me to put it in your language so you can understand,

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Speaker 2: but you would never understand it completely. I need time,

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Speaker 2: and that's what I try to do. I try to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, photography is something you can run with and

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Speaker 1: enjoy for a long time. What is the goal with

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Speaker 1: the with the journalism stuff you're doing right now? Is

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Speaker 1: it's something you're doing for now.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's both. I really enjoy it. Like I'm

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Speaker 2: working on putting together like coffee table books, photo books

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Speaker 2: of it right, like of the seasons and then of

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Speaker 2: I think our stories need to be told in the

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Speaker 2: different not that they've been told badly, but in a

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Speaker 2: different light and with more insight, with more things to

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Speaker 2: look for that you might not think be thinking about

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Speaker 2: it because you're in it, but because I already did it,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it different, Like I know what I missed,

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Speaker 2: I know what I didn't highlight. I know the days

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Speaker 2: I didn't take this ship like the way I should

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Speaker 2: have took it, And I want to be able to

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Speaker 2: one give that back to players and two show them

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, definitely keep us posted with that. When you

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Speaker 1: start on that journey of making these books and go

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Speaker 1: back and share it, what help you promote that. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about your WHO journey.

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Speaker 4: Last draft where players could go straight from high school,

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Speaker 1: I kind of did it a little bit. I went

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Speaker 4: But being in that last group of people to go

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Speaker 4: going through so much now with just trying to even

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Speaker 4: get in school, Like, how fortunate do you feel that

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Speaker 2: It's a very specific journey, right, Like one goes back

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Speaker 2: to the insight and the outlook I have on things

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Speaker 2: that helps with what I'm doing.

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Speaker 3: Who just.

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Speaker 2: A lot more basketball, way more than a lot of

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Speaker 2: stuff does now then, So I'm grateful to come up

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Speaker 2: in a time where like we got to focus on

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Speaker 2: into I didn't know I was being looked at by

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Speaker 2: NBA teams until I finished my senior year basketball, My coach,

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Speaker 3: You could not do that now.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, So when I finished the year, we sat down,

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Speaker 2: I had already signed with university texts, and they was like, look,

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Speaker 3: This was at this game, this is what you can do,

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Speaker 2: How And we was able to look at it without

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Speaker 3: And I think that made a big difference without the politics.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, got a question, I didn't know you went to

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Speaker 4: Well, I went to Butler for a week and I

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Speaker 1: So you went to two colleges for a weekend, and

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Speaker 1: I said, you realized college was.

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Speaker 4: As who season was over. Both times, I was just

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Speaker 4: basically trying them out to see if I was gonna go.

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Speaker 4: I didn't like neither one of them. Supper my name

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Speaker 4: in the draft, gotcha? Okay, Texas been the Texas boary

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Speaker 1: What was it like for you growing up in Texas

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Speaker 2: It was It was great because I came up in

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Speaker 2: like I got to see all that. I saw andre

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Speaker 3: And who ship?

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Speaker 4: Yeah that's dope, man man uh Texas account who have

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Speaker 4: the best supers?

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Speaker 1: I ain't got to ask that, but I know that

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Speaker 3: Is it really.

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Speaker 1: What you mean? I respect you, but I respect to

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Speaker 4: If you want a lot of matter him up, definitely,

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Speaker 2: And how far we going back? Like what we're doing,

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Speaker 2: Like that's the other question. Because I went to the

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Speaker 2: same high school as Larry Johnson, same hoise coaching. Jack

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: What we're doing.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of people that moved to California that

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Speaker 4: went to high school. Yeah, so y'all, y'all can't claim

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Speaker 4: that moved here that went to day Like who name them? See,

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Speaker 4: me let me think. Because everybody that was on them

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Speaker 4: California teams. What from California for the majority of it,

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Speaker 4: I give you majority.

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Speaker 3: Even if you break it like that, and we go

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Speaker 4: One thing the Texas a teams half our team was

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Speaker 4: football player. That's you too, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It was all American football playing.

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Speaker 3: So it was all us.

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Speaker 1: In California Texas football and basketball.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, yes, Now in my in my time, California

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Speaker 4: Shake Cat and Baron Davis, like like I had all

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Speaker 4: the bigger names then around my time. I don't know

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Speaker 2: So like remember Martella's Bennett who went on to play

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Speaker 2: in the NFL was hooping.

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Speaker 1: For Houston Hoops.

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Speaker 3: He was basketball, and we had a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: But like like I said, what I named all them

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Speaker 3: guys right before that, there is a lottery picks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I still don't Hoobie Gibson, the

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Speaker 3: Tucker, who was well he's not from Texas. But he

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Speaker 1: I can't count him.

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Speaker 3: Then I can't count that's wrong.

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Speaker 1: But like I can go through.

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Speaker 3: We can go through guys. That wasn't a loud of picks.

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Speaker 3: Who's your point guard?

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Speaker 1: Let's do it. That's your point guard. Who's your point guard?

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Speaker 3: Off top?

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Speaker 1: Yeah we got ter Wade.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking Baron Davis.

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Speaker 1: Who's your too? We're going Darren Williams. Then, yeah, I've

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Speaker 1: seen I've seen that.

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Speaker 3: Lady said in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Let let's think about this. Who's too, Let's see the

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Speaker 1: two to who's the best to guard from Texas? That's

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Speaker 1: all like we got. That's a good question. Oh, hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, ain't Grandil from Texas?

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Speaker 3: No, No is that he wasn't born in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Brand Hill.

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Speaker 3: The military. Yeah that's hard, that's hard.

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Speaker 2: No, Nah, bro, Nah, I'm thinking about So you gotta

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Speaker 2: be you gotta be here you go with the fake Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about. Sorry, I put the three already

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Speaker 2: because he down I just saw the other day.

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Speaker 1: We'll pull that ship up for California. This who's your too?

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Speaker 3: The two? It gotta be Clyde.

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Speaker 1: I'm going Jimmy for I'm going Jimmy Butler for Clyde.

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Speaker 3: Was Jimmy was Jimmy jim Was he from Texas?

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Speaker 1: Humball? Yeah, Jimmy your two. Jimmy too. I'm a I'm

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Speaker 1: a convert, a point guard that could shoot the ship

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Speaker 3: Reggie Miller.

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Speaker 1: Bro we cal we called we Calledie Miller.

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Speaker 3: Ever respected to those though. My three respect is Paul Pierce.

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Speaker 1: Who's your three? He didn't make ned you can't keep

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Speaker 1: scrolling a little bit. Damn. I got Drew Holliday, I

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Speaker 1: got a lot of We're going called him a shock five.

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Speaker 1: Which you want?

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Speaker 3: Who you going? Mars, Marcus or Grandmama?

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Speaker 4: One of the two marks the market on the Marcus

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Speaker 4: because that four the Marcus and Shack. Yeah, that's a

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Speaker 4: hell of a that's a hell of a five. You

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Speaker 4: better y'are small. Yeah, that's where it gets.

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Speaker 3: But the game is different. That was hard. That was hard, hard,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Paul at the four and give me,

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Speaker 1: give me, give me, give me, give me, give me,

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Speaker 1: give me. Paul George and his prime at the three

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Speaker 1: what's Lamar's gonna do with Paul and others? The game

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Speaker 1: different games, the game name is different. Who's who's your center, Diesel?

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Speaker 3: No, you can't get him. He's an army in Texas

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Speaker 3: Ball Brad, So.

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Speaker 2: So okay the game, but still we still got this.

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Speaker 2: The game different so we can play the Marcus and

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Speaker 2: Chris Bosh at.

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Speaker 1: Four and five? Yeah, okay, who oh harden? Yeah please,

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Speaker 1: yeah you see what you see what happened last night?

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Speaker 1: Bad y'all got him. We're gonna run, You're gonna get.

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Speaker 3: Up to We're gonna go at him for the next

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Speaker 3: twenty points.

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Speaker 1: We come back with him. That's what happened last night.

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Speaker 1: We got Reggie. Oh no, we got Robbing. We got

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Speaker 3: Five, still got Chris Bosh. We still got Chris Bosh.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna right in at the five and we can

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Speaker 4: go up the four. I'm going to l a man

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Speaker 2: We we take We're going l a over. We're taking

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Speaker 2: these people at they primes, right, they're prime. We're talking

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Speaker 2: gotta go C B and okay, because they both I'm

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Speaker 2: not taking away from the markets. But we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the game the.

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Speaker 1: Way it is now. C B is made for the game,

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Speaker 1: and I'm taking Bill Russell was my center. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: get cooked.

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Speaker 3: Get by who by Dennis rammin No. No, we we

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Speaker 3: got the Marcus and we definitely tested the.

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Speaker 1: Markets. Sat at the point five. It's a different game.

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Speaker 1: Block eighty seven thousand, but block them like they doing

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Speaker 1: they when he was like, I just want to know

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Speaker 1: cause Bill Russell wear some updated shoes when we play

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Speaker 1: Rest in Peace.

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Speaker 3: That might mess him up the game to change.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, yeah, you got some loans though, because

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Speaker 5: the loans. Guys, what do you think of the third

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Speaker 5: your old players in college?

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Speaker 1: Man, the twelve year seniors. Have you seen the LSU

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Speaker 1: team Their average agentes over twenty three. They got a

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Speaker 1: twenty five year old they're paying five million a year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this shit is stupid, but go ahead, my fast.

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Speaker 3: It's dangerous. It's dangerous for the game.

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Speaker 2: Like I understand all this, Like it's not fast, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and it's how stuff go right, Like a wall break

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Speaker 3: It flood and then you got to regulate it. Right.

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Speaker 2: But like at the same time, like you're messing with

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Speaker 2: and it's keeping a bean, like we're not drafting none

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Speaker 2: of them, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Respectfully, after twenty you're not going to get drafted to

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Speaker 1: the league. So I'm not mad that they're trying to

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Speaker 1: make money.

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Speaker 3: Because, like you said, there's a loophole here, but it fucks.

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Speaker 1: The game up. Yeah, because you used to go to

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Speaker 1: not you will go to develop, and now you're going

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Speaker 1: to develop against motherfuckers with mortgages and child support payment.

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Speaker 1: Mark can't even get in. That's what I'm about to say.

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Speaker 2: would have made me a pro. It's gone because I'm

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Speaker 2: in a shuffle. No disrespect to no Jukos and all

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Speaker 2: and now we're looking for.

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Speaker 3: Players right like, and now we're complaining about this that

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Speaker 3: and you did we did it, and that's in comparison

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Speaker 1: Fucks the pipeline up, but it definitely double we gotta

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Speaker 1: be it. Initially committed to Texas, Uh that team LaMarcus

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Speaker 1: all just PJ. Tucker movie. Gibson. You said a little bit,

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Speaker 1: you sat down with your coach and your family after

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Speaker 1: but how close were you to actually go into Texas

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Speaker 1: and who else did you consider before the NBA.

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Speaker 2: I was going up until like the last possible second

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Speaker 2: you could do it. I just went through the workouts.

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Speaker 2: I had to guarantees. So it's like what we're talking about,

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Speaker 2: You give me the keys to the gym and I'm

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Speaker 2: right like, But like that was my big thing on it,

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Speaker 2: But it was it was. It was tight because I

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Speaker 2: guys going to Texas schools, the big names, right, everybody

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Speaker 2: That was the like, that was my last three was

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Speaker 3: At that time, it was real Williams and Bill self.

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Speaker 1: And like so Utah Jazz thirty fourth pick in two

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Speaker 1: second round, right, thirty four, second round. Before we get

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Speaker 1: to the basketball part, what was the culture shot coming

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Speaker 1: from Texas to Utah? Aha, it ain't too much different

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Speaker 1: now you kidding?

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Speaker 2: It was nuts, but like, at the same time, a

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Speaker 2: lot of it is I'm eighteen by right, like, so

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Speaker 2: then you also got the you just trying to try

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Speaker 2: the team still out the three drafts, right, Like, it's

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Speaker 2: I ain't got time that we read about a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he shaped the workout around being able to

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Speaker 3: That was what they needed to know.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't about talent, It wasn't about leticism, running, jump hooping.

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Speaker 2: It was about are we gonna have a Is he

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Speaker 2: gonna be able to stick through the time and take

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Speaker 3: So did they bring Matt Harping into Matt Harper? Is

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Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Like after I got on the team, we got the

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Speaker 2: You know, he used to run the one for high

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Speaker 2: and Matt Harping was as strong as a mother exactly

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Speaker 2: what it.

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Speaker 3: Was a hack suicide cut.

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Speaker 2: He coming off from curls ninety miles an hour, him

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Speaker 2: and Court mcghetty too. It's called Cory mcghetty cut, right,

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Speaker 2: But yeah, he posts me on that back side of

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Speaker 3: You gotta go get him some milk, right, like you

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Speaker 2: But I'm grateful for it, yes, because eventually, you know

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Speaker 1: And those are good teams too. I mean, so that

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Speaker 2: I remember the first at the garden, y'all went do,

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Speaker 2: I ain't got no lad's nice. So the first time

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Speaker 2: that move like that, still had the blond hair, so

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Speaker 3: So this is my first time after I stepped in.

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Speaker 3: You just I'm just watching run back and forth, he moving.

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Speaker 2: That was my first start. And then I see the

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Speaker 4: But real they got real going back and forth through

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Speaker 4: I know it can be frustrating, especially when you know

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Speaker 2: So that and then the other way. For me, at

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Speaker 2: So like that dynamic was crazy because I'm down there

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Speaker 3: The first time I get down there, they come to

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Speaker 3: bring us out for deem My per.

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Speaker 2: Diem envelope is more than what the whole team get

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Speaker 2: of everybody, and I had to put them to the

442
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,159
Speaker 2: salle through that shit to be again like oh, like

443
00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 2: these dudes trying to feed their family. Yeah, and I'm

444
00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,840
Speaker 2: I look, I look privileged as hell his position right,

445
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,160
Speaker 2: like I'm kicking my ass in practice.

446
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,359
Speaker 3: He's like why why that's about my mind?

447
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 2: And then the in the game, it was just the

448
00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,240
Speaker 2: first year it was hard I sent to Albuquerque, but

449
00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,560
Speaker 2: I have Michael Cooper as my coach, so that changed

450
00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,439
Speaker 2: every how they experience when and then the second year

451
00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,120
Speaker 2: they sent me to Idaho and I'm like, I ain't

452
00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,159
Speaker 2: gonna be here more than ten games. Every time I

453
00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,760
Speaker 2: touched it went up like out of here, Like I'm

454
00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:23,399
Speaker 2: not like we we ain't gonna play this game no

455
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:24,439
Speaker 2: more like I need to be up there.

456
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:26,040
Speaker 3: I need to play and I need to show that.

457
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,440
Speaker 3: So that it definitely helped my career.

458
00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:32,480
Speaker 2: Going forward to travel travel travel, travel was terrible because

459
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 2: we Southwest, small cities.

460
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,200
Speaker 3: We're fighting over the fighting over makes the road seats.

461
00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:42,840
Speaker 1: He said Southwest about what he said, like even if

462
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,919
Speaker 1: you traveled to the little city in the suite and like.

463
00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,480
Speaker 3: Holiday again the league because they sharing.

464
00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we would have took Southwest back and day

465
00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 4: we was in the CBA.

466
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,240
Speaker 1: Was riding buses eight hours, So that's what was it was.

467
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,879
Speaker 2: Sometimes it was a flight in the game because it

468
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,720
Speaker 2: was no flight to get us to that city and

469
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:05,359
Speaker 2: it was less team. It was like eighteen, so we

470
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 2: played everybody twice. Everywhere we went, we beat off like

471
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: Wednesday to Sunday. Yeah, it was a different experience.

472
00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,480
Speaker 1: In Fayfield, North Carolina, for that ship an Army base,

473
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 1: army brass I remember I think I told this, but

474
00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:20,680
Speaker 1: I used to go out every once in a while

475
00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 1: and there would always be fights. I'm like, why is

476
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,359
Speaker 1: there more? Was fighting?

477
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,480
Speaker 3: Because the people in the in the are in the

478
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:27,879
Speaker 3: in the in our was it?

479
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:33,159
Speaker 1: Not the army the army people or whoever marines are

480
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: and whatever they were. They would leave and then their

481
00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,320
Speaker 1: wives and girlfriends be fucking around the city and then

482
00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: they come back and find the dudes and the glove

483
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,919
Speaker 1: and always fighting. I'm like, damn, they always fighting here

484
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,880
Speaker 1: for some reason. First thing come to your mind when

485
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: I said these people named jared'sloan.

486
00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 3: Real one, real one, like straight up.

487
00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,240
Speaker 2: He was like I tell everybody, like he had his

488
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 2: ship to him with there. But he was fair like

489
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 2: I had a story from we played.

490
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 3: The Houston Rockets.

491
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,239
Speaker 2: It was young in my career, and he knew all

492
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 2: my family had come down, like they was trying to

493
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:04,840
Speaker 2: find minutes for me. I was still young, I was,

494
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,600
Speaker 2: but I was doing everything they was telling me. And

495
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 2: I remember Phil Johnson used to make the subs. So

496
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 2: Phil Johnson had subbed and Jerry was like, no, put CJ.

497
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,800
Speaker 2: And they argued that he was and I just remember

498
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,240
Speaker 2: him raising the boys like he deserved to play. He

499
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:17,920
Speaker 2: put me in that game and he ran like the

500
00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:19,680
Speaker 2: first three sets with me as the ball handler and

501
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,080
Speaker 2: got me touched. He knew I wasn't gonna be able

502
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,680
Speaker 2: to play long, but he made sure I got that

503
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,280
Speaker 2: in front of my family, just off the fact that

504
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: I was working hard every single day.

505
00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 3: And that's how he was right. And he kept it

506
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,640
Speaker 3: straight with me. There was he had quotes in the paper.

507
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: He was like, I can't put a jock strap in

508
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,880
Speaker 2: a diaper on and one night, yeah that shit happened.

509
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,160
Speaker 3: But like he was straight with me all this home.

510
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: Jef Slan was a real woman.

511
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 4: I been San Antonio and I had a shot and

512
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,880
Speaker 4: I was I turned to the bench like yeah, motherfucker,

513
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,160
Speaker 4: and him popped real close. So I'm running down the court. Pop,

514
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 4: get on my ass about it and take me out

515
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 4: the game, right. I come back in the game and

516
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,199
Speaker 4: some free throws up and Je Sloan keep that passion.

517
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,960
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I'm getting in trouble for that.

518
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 4: He like, you know what I'm saying, Like just the

519
00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:58,800
Speaker 4: fact that he reiterated that confidence back then. When I

520
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,520
Speaker 4: keep that pass you know what I'm saying like he

521
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 4: was a real one.

522
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 1: For that he loved it.

523
00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: Will I'm glad. I don't have one word for him,

524
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: but I'm glad he getting his flowers now it's a lot.

525
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: I'm glad it's happened.

526
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:09,320
Speaker 3: So I say, I say.

527
00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: Underrated, the very appreciated, maybe that's the word, but like

528
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 2: the word form. But witnessing that every night, right, witnessing

529
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 2: the double cross levers, to have people spending in circles

530
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 2: of his his command on the game right like he

531
00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 2: was he was the best. He was the best point

532
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 2: around the league for a real good think.

533
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was a there was a time where it

534
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: was him and CP. Yeah, and d Will was bigger

535
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: than CP, and they got on as he would go

536
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 1: at one and when they got it the one on

537
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 1: one matchups, it was.

538
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 2: And the thing that people don't understand is that we

539
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: was very like constrained in that system, couldn't really cut like,

540
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: we couldn't really like we had to fight for the

541
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: speed that we got to play. And it was because

542
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 2: you know, like you said, Mills, get there, Ronnie Brooke,

543
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 2: get there, myself a k. We was built to be

544
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: to be fast, and they still wanted to hold on

545
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,640
Speaker 2: to what have been successful for a long time.

546
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: We had Kyle Corp on our team. It didn't have

547
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,400
Speaker 3: a play for a three point shot. Booze, solid, dog

548
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 3: like solid like he.

549
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,159
Speaker 2: You knew what she was getting from every night. He

550
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: was gonna play hard every night. He was gonna rebound,

551
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: he was gonna he was gonna do his job. And

552
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 2: he and he he he love his guys right like

553
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:20,960
Speaker 2: he take care of his guys right like he he was.

554
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: He was real for me, professtly young, like he did

555
00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 2: a lot for me. Like was he your vocal leader

556
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 2: or was it there it's a it's a it's a mix,

557
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 2: I would say, booze, yeah, like he was very he

558
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 2: was very vocal.

559
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 3: Darren was vocal that. I'll give him that together.

560
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: But I think the best thing about that is, like

561
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 2: we come in together, me and Darren and then Ronnie

562
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 2: Brew and part miss I coming in next year, and

563
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 2: we got this young Ronnie Price ends up coming over there.

564
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: We have this young cord that's kind of like and

565
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: it attaches the booze and booze and it and it

566
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: turns into this collective thing and we was able to

567
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: keep each other accountable and I think that's what you

568
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: see a lot with these younger teams now, Like they's

569
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 2: so much talent across the board.

570
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: It's no, don't say none of him, like, it's none

571
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: of that. It's like, we gotta get your over there,

572
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 3: it right, and that's that's the that's the best teams.

573
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: Y'all know that, Yeah, AK for this problem.

574
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: AK.

575
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: First of all, Cold is nickname ever number one on

576
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: the list, but versatile because like Cold, like he's another

577
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,960
Speaker 2: person that didn't benefit from being in that system because

578
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 2: he did everything right like and I think that is

579
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 2: the reason why we didn't see the best of him,

580
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: because I think he got bored with being like he

581
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 2: was very like he needed he needed the stimulation from

582
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: being able to be creative. He needed to throw pass

583
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 2: between his legs. He needed the freedom because exactly he

584
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 2: needed to get gazed in the game that way, just

585
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 2: pop it to the elbow holding that. It didn't it didn't,

586
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 2: It didn't get him going. And every night you couldn't

587
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: get him going because of that.

588
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: He was so good though when he was on, he

589
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 1: guarded him and he took us out of the playoff

590
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: series against Utah. Jack got hot. They put him on Jack.

591
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: Aaron got hot. They put him up, you know what

592
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: I mean, like he guarded.

593
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 2: What he the only person I've ever seen block kg

594
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 2: fadeaway going baseline, the person I ever saw get to

595
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 2: it exactly.

596
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 4: One person treating like he wasn't out there my whole career,

597
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 4: it's only one person who ron oh just ran throughing.

598
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was running from wrong. You know how wrong played,

599
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: But he was running.

600
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 3: Especially Lebron that he got that version of Bro.

601
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: It was no.

602
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh no, I thought you said Bron. So

603
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 3: oh yeah, they.

604
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: Had a ron Ron. They had a yeah, n you

605
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: know catch everybody run from Braun. I'm talking about run wrong.

606
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 2: You know the artists they used to get caught. It's

607
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 2: a couple of players. You see certain people coming to town. Yea,

608
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: I'll be back in three days. The type of conversations.

609
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 1: Day he coming back.

610
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 2: The first time I heard somebody do that dog it

611
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: was insane, especially in the beginning because I was the

612
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 2: bullpen guy. So they didn't like messing with the rotation.

613
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: So somebody didn't play. I would start if they did play,

614
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 2: I go back to being behind the bench in the suit, right,

615
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: So like you would get these nights. You come in,

616
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: you know, did this work out?

617
00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: Do all this?

618
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 3: And they be like, he'd be back tuesdays, So I

619
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 3: need you for two nights.

620
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: Like what Kobe's up? So go guard him? Yeah for real?

621
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Like yeah, Ray Allen come to town, Kobe comeing, especially

622
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 2: Ray in Seattle Michael Red when he was in the

623
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 2: them type of games and people that didn't be like

624
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 2: chasing and then like was different.

625
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: Signed the offer sheet in two thousand and eight to

626
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: the Thunder, but the Jazz matched it. You were almost

627
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: a part of those young core of those Thunder teams.

628
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: What was your process did you think you were going?

629
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: Did you know? You talked? He was ready.

630
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: I was ready, and they matched it on the last

631
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: day at the hour because you know, the money tied

632
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: up while the offer sheets out, so they did. I

633
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 2: didn't have no communication with what was gonna happen, so

634
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 2: I thought I was out of there. I didn't know,

635
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 2: but I was ready because I had been in that

636
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 2: space of not being with people my age and that

637
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: and the game is gonna be played different, and like

638
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: you said, I knew what they needed.

639
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: Shoot.

640
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: I fit the role, like the shooting, the movement, the

641
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,359
Speaker 2: len let it I fit with what to feel that

642
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 2: gap in.

643
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 3: But I was hyped.

644
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: I was ready.

645
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie like people ask me about that

646
00:26:59,440 --> 00:26:59,840
Speaker 2: all the time.

647
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 3: What if?

648
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: What if?

649
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: I can't answer the question, but that.

650
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: Would have been fun for it. Do you remember what

651
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: the game plan against us in the playoffs was? We

652
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: were a small ball team. You remember what the plan was.

653
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: They're going to smoke too much weed. Don't worry about them.

654
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: The biggest thing is we had to master the energy

655
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: and especially in the building. We came to y'all like

656
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 2: it was matched that that pace. But at the same time,

657
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,880
Speaker 2: try to find ways not to be sped.

658
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 1: Up too much.

659
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 2: Right, because we had on that series, because we had

660
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: the SOB, we had game one, we had one.

661
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 3: But no, that's that's too that's the series that bad

662
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,679
Speaker 3: dunk On ak to.

663
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: Beating mister Fret the game. And we had Game one

664
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: and took and blew it.

665
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 3: Just too much dope and we go on to lose

666
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 3: to the Lakers.

667
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 1: Too much dope played the Lakers in the Western Finals. Bro,

668
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: you don't know this, but we think or was it

669
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 1: Baron got our drug test before Game one?

670
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we did.

671
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 4: And as we're coming out with our papers. John Nelson

672
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: is right there, high five in US.

673
00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: This is our coach. He also put a big gym

674
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 1: fan at our hallway to to make sure the ship

675
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: would blow out the in Utah in Utah. It was crazy.

676
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,679
Speaker 3: Kyrie Calves, young Kyrie. What was he like as as

677
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 3: a as a rookie? Incredible though? Like it was he

678
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 3: was he was.

679
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: He was so ahead of where he was even mentally

680
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 2: within what was going on, Like he was like, I'm good,

681
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 2: but I'm trying to figure out everything, what my limits are.

682
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: I never seen that many rookies be able to take

683
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: it like that, right, like we're not winning this that,

684
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna let that stop me from like

685
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: figuring out what's next to me?

686
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: How can I build my game up? He would be

687
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: in the game. I mean he was in New York.

688
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 2: He getting his bag, come up with screen shot like

689
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 2: the left hand shot he made for game last year

690
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 2: two years ago. He shoot this shot then running across

691
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:48,479
Speaker 2: the free throw line sixty seventeen.

692
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: Pla, bro, what's up?

693
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Race?

694
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: I'm working on my game.

695
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: That's what he said to me in the game, backpedaling

696
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 2: working on my game. And I looked at him, and

697
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 2: I looked at him and I was never looked at

698
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: him again. It told me where he was at, right

699
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: and I ain't never asked no more questions about nothing again,

700
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 2: and that's my.

701
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Dog right like but like that that changed me.

702
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: Uh huh. You had a few stops as a vet

703
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: coming towards the India career, between Indiana and Toronto, Memphis, Washington.

704
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: Anything stand out in any of those cities.

705
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: Indiana was great, like Stagno, like nap It's great.

706
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: And then like Larry Bird being around, Like when I

707
00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: went to go meet with them for the free agency,

708
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 2: I knew I was going based off of what Larry.

709
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 2: Slarry sat at the table and he was like, they're

710
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: gonna tell you all this numbers. Shit, they gonna tell

711
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: you this. I don't care about things. So I watched basketball.

712
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: I think you can play. I want you to come play.

713
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 2: And he picked up the bowl of potato chips at

714
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Capitol Grill and just sat back.

715
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 3: And say nothing else.

716
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: For the rest of the time we was in there

717
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 2: LV And then it really was like I stayed there

718
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 2: the next summer after I had been there for a year.

719
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: He came in there every day and put a chair

720
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: down and watch me work out every day for a

721
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 2: whole something. Every day he sat in there, Dat me up,

722
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: say this, that, and the third talk to me about

723
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: whatever you're seeing about the games. For last year, every

724
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: day he walked in if I was there, he sat

725
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: in there like he loved He want.

726
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 1: To be Yeah, yeah, who I deal too?

727
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: Who had?

728
00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Uh? You saw the transition of the game from traditional

729
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 1: positions one through three, you know, one through five, two.

730
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: By the time you were gone, it was the boom

731
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: of the three point shot? What did you notice through

732
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: your career? And then as the boom of more three

733
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: point shots was coming for me.

734
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: It happened when I got to Indiana because I went

735
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 2: from the two to the four stretch forward like so

736
00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: I went because Remembory. It was the whole thing about

737
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: PG was coming back and they was trying to get small,

738
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: and they was trying to figure out how to do it.

739
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,200
Speaker 2: And we signed mante Ellis the same year and mante

740
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: got to start right like at the two. So like

741
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: they trying to figure out where to put me in.

742
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: It was like, it's the best way for us to

743
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: do this, but the league hasn't went small yet. So

744
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 2: like KG come in, Dirt come in, Uh, Louis Scolder

745
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: come in, Zach Randol come in. Like all these people

746
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: still come in. I'm still trying to figure out. So

747
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: being caught up in the transition was crazy because also

748
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: they had let me loose just to be able to

749
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 2: go run a gun. We're still trying to hold on

750
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: to that little bit of pace. But watching it happen,

751
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 2: just seeing what it was going to create for guys

752
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 2: that have been able to play make and not really

753
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 2: had that many chances to do it throughout the game,

754
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: and what it would open up.

755
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: I was excited about it.

756
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: As a journalist. What are some of your favorite current

757
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: players to cover?

758
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: I mean ant I got aunt wenby them to opt

759
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: them as obvious. I like the young boys in New Orleans.

760
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: I like there my fears. I like Queen Toronto was

761
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: dope this year seeing them put that back together and

762
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 2: see guys seeing b I have a year. I have

763
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: an all star year seeing them young guys they trying

764
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 2: to figure out. Yeah, Scottie up there playing man doing

765
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 2: everything out there sides and I think watching guys like

766
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: that break through their ceiling that you thought was there

767
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 2: is what's so fun about it right, like watching him

768
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: turn into like I did this in the playoffs and

769
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: you know what that do to you for you next

770
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: summer and your next year coming in because the playoffs

771
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: tell you everything. Feedback is immediate, like you gotta shape,

772
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 2: you gotta do this, you gotta do that. It's telling

773
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: you right then and there on national TV, and watching

774
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: people break through.

775
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: Them is been fun.

776
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, we come.

777
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: We played in the league with the time where it

778
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: was a lot of big men. You know, we have

779
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 4: to deal with them, even before we was guarding them.

780
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 4: The league was heavy on full power forwards and centers,

781
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: and it looked like the league is coming back to that.

782
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

783
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 4: Do you think that's where the league gonna be in

784
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,440
Speaker 4: five teen years from now? Back to two big men

785
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 4: or big men dominating again.

786
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 2: I think I think the game is really gonna become positionless,

787
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: like we've been saying that, but it's just been smaller

788
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: guys still playing center right Like it's still doing the

789
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 2: same things that the centerma do, they're just small. I

790
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: think we really getting to a point where because of

791
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: the way we teaching the game now and the way

792
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 2: we play that it's gonna allow bigs to be big

793
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 2: and be playmakers and be like.

794
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: There's got to be a response to Wimby, Right, it

795
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: has to be we know how to lead work.

796
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 2: We gotta find some and somebody somewhere sitting like I

797
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: gotta be able to move like that would be forty

798
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 2: pounds heavier. Yeah, that's they sound impossible, but that's how

799
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: this worked. Yeah, somebody come along and they changed everybody's

800
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 2: mindset on what you can and care creating that player

801
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: right now exactly Womby just creating them.

802
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Last game, Yeah, last game.

803
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: He sent the call out like optimist Prome like over

804
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: the like, Hey, somebody in the universe.

805
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: Come see me, Come see me. I need to know

806
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 3: if I'm really him or not.

807
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: That's what that is, bro, Right, let you know who

808
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 4: the next American to win the m v P. It

809
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: ain't gonna be for another year years.

810
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 2: Though, That's what I'm saying. We don't know because in

811
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 2: the league, Yeah, yeah, he might might not be here yet.

812
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 2: Dominate bro, because I can't see nobody right now. Look,

813
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: if you're present and looking at what's happening right now,

814
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: you can't see nobody beating that man.

815
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 4: And women gonna win it and shot gonna win it

816
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 4: for the next year before I think when it's Winby's turning.

817
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: But I think Winby's gonna fuck around and go both sides.

818
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: Dais That's what I said. He's gonna be that do that.

819
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: He's gonna be the record for like three years in

820
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: a row. I'm not that's not that's not disrespecting nobody.

821
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: It's just well, who would be our candidates? And and

822
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: Tatum Brown? Yeah, Ky Jaylen Brown had a hell of

823
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah he did.

824
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, Flag he got some more work to do, but

825
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: he got I think so our list is the best

826
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 2: shots at closest closest to I think right now because

827
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: of their roles they play on their team, and they'll

828
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: have the ability to be able to argue with that

829
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 2: at the end of the year. Like Ky, You'll be

830
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: able to argue at the end of the year like

831
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: numbers wise, because that's what you know, that's what we're

832
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: gonna get back to. And then the eye tests come

833
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 2: back around. You still got to give it to him,

834
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: right like, but it'll get close and too, I think,

835
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: and they that team is is got to do. It's

836
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:45,360
Speaker 2: got to be some moving on the team. They got

837
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: too many balls stoppers. They got to start, they need to,

838
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 2: or they need somebody that's really gonna be able to

839
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 2: keep them boys go to charl to move their ball.

840
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: Like I think Randall and I think Randall and and

841
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: big fella out of there. No, I think it's an overhaul.

842
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 3: No no, no, no, oh go beer yea.

843
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, they need some more scoring. It's too much of

844
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 4: a low. Yeah, you're good on defense, and y'all play hard,

845
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 4: but you need another guy that could take over some nights.

846
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: Ain't got to do it every night, So what's even crazy?

847
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 4: And you watched them play. We were talking about this

848
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 4: other day, me and some homies. He don't even have

849
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: to be an offensive threat. It's just the things that

850
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 4: we should be able to do that you can't do.

851
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 4: There should be ten points of us getting down there

852
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 4: and being able to lob this ball to you and

853
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: you just catching the dunky. Yeah, that would change the

854
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 4: flow of the game completely if we knew we could

855
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 4: do that. Or you get somebody back under the rim

856
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: and you show us some numbers and we can't throw

857
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 4: it to you. Yeah, I don't have to be able

858
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 4: to throw it to you on the block and watch you.

859
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: I just need to be able to get those and

860
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: they will not throw him the ball. Throughout the game.

861
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 2: You'll watch him turn and have somebody pimp eight ft tall,

862
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: somebody pimped under the rim, and they.

863
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 3: Will not throw it.

864
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: And I see him airball that shot against the guard though.

865
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying. I'm not knocking them have

866
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: it like you've been watching it. It's like playoff possessions

867
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: is too important for me to notice. I'd rather get

868
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: to this step back than you.

869
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: Not forgive me. What's the young guard's name that they

870
00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: found the diamond in the rough from Chicago. He's nice,

871
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: he's downhill all night. Man, Oh what's the u.

872
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: Io? Yeah, he tough. He tough and Jay, you're gonna

873
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,280
Speaker 3: have a better year next year. Like I'm playing both.

874
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: Sides, the left hand guard. I was gone.

875
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 2: You talking about young boy, You talking about some about

876
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: the dreads talking about.

877
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: In the Jr.

878
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,479
Speaker 3: Shannon Jr.

879
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: Shannon Jr.

880
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 2: He got, He's downhill once once he is able to

881
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 2: see it decision making wise, like just from getting he

882
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: is he getting down here, getting to the racket wheel,

883
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: getting there. It's no, he got a burst like you

884
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: ain't seen in a minute from people that side.

885
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: I got in trouble. Yeah right, yeah, you're gonna have watch.

886
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: He's gonna get to it exactly once. He because he's

887
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 2: so fast, everything fast.

888
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: Best player in the twenty twenty sixth draft. We know.

889
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: We go ahead and let you say it though.

890
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 3: I mean it's a j I think so too. I

891
00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 3: saw him.

892
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: I saw him play North Carolina last year, obviously watching

893
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: him on you too, I went to I went seeing

894
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 2: it live.

895
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: He he got everything you're looking for it on both sides.

896
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, like everything is there, right, it's just about there's

897
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 2: little things with him figuring out like efficiency of like

898
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 2: because you can get away with too many dribbles down

899
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 2: there when you him, you can get away with little

900
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 2: but like that's gonna tighten up soon as you get there.

901
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 2: And see how must have be coming off over quick

902
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 2: all that time and you got players that's worth coming

903
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: off of it quick.

904
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

905
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: No disrespect to his teammates, like, yeah, it changed the

906
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 2: way to get everybody out here good.

907
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: Before we get the quick hitters, want to give a

908
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: big shout out to mister Larry O'Brien who's in the

909
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: building and thank him the NBA for having him stop

910
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 1: by again. Hey, Laire got him behind us supping a

911
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 1: little lair. You get a chance to get a ring? Nah?

912
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: No you didn't, Oh g lair. You look why you've

913
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: been taking care of yourself good? Yeah, you got some

914
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: new tattoos.

915
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: Quick hitters, Quick hitters ranked these three in your in

916
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: your order?

917
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: M J. Bron Kobe, Damn, why y'all do that? Put

918
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: you on the spot to do your journalist?

919
00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: Do it?

920
00:37:59,400 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: M J.

921
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: Brown Kobe can't go wrong either way. Top five Texas

922
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: hoopers of all time. Another put you on the spot.

923
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh hm, I'm going Larry Johnson, I'm going I'm

924
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: going Chris Bosh, Rishard Lewis again. Sweet honestly, I'm going

925
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: Andre from my eyes what I've seen called the high

926
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,280
Speaker 2: school like in the in the city.

927
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: For that's the football school though, too, ain't it? Carters

928
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: at the Big Carter? That the Car?

929
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: I mean both right. Remember they made the movie that

930
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 3: was about.

931
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: The Fay, that was about they would let I'm Gonna

932
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Say You will one album you could listen to on

933
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: repeat quarter two. Yeah, he was in college when that

934
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: came out. O the Carter too. I tripping. That's my name,

935
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: my son after I smoked this morning, I'm sorry. Guilty pleasure,

936
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Speaker 1: I don't.

937
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: I don't know what I can see the guilty pleasures

938
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: when you're able to figure out what you'd like to

939
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 2: do and be able to go do it. I don't

940
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:04,919
Speaker 2: really that's a great I gotta feel guilty by Yeah,

941
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 2: childhood crush Felicia Richard.

942
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: Like that, man, Miss Hustable.

943
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: If you could see one guest on our show, who

944
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 4: would it be? But you have to help us get

945
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 4: your answer on the show.

946
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: Should I want to see Michael y'all show, m J

947
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: all of us, c J man.

948
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Speaker 1: We appreciate you, congratulations on this next journey. Like I said,

949
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: anything you've got to promote, make sure you come back

950
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: and let us know we'll help you out brood.

951
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: You appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, m hm