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Speaker 1: From grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill to

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Speaker 1: of their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, opal

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Speaker 1: See king told, scribe, scribe told son, son, told wife,

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Speaker 1: the ancestors told me that you would come to give wisdom. Thousands.

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Speaker 2: Come Dropping Gem.

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Speaker 3: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: This is the Dropping Gems podcast. I'm your host deb

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Speaker 4: Wi Brown. Today we are exploring buying masculine. We are

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Speaker 4: going to explore masculine alchemy. We do a lot of

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Speaker 4: talk on healing in this show, and you know, the

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Speaker 4: journey to oneself and something that we have explored and

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Speaker 4: touched on that I'm really excited to go very in

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Speaker 4: depth with today is the experience of healing that's available

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Speaker 4: for men, especially in this moment in history. You know,

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Speaker 4: we've touched on quite a bit and had some powerful

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Speaker 4: being given beautiful, expansive opportunity to connect with self and

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Speaker 4: But before I get there, let's lean into our affirmation

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Speaker 4: for this episode. So I'm using the Karma Bliss affirmation

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Speaker 4: deck that is found within all of these affirmations are

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Speaker 4: found within my book Crystal Bliss. So I did a

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Speaker 4: and the affirmation says, I am open to receiving all

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Speaker 2: I've seen it over and over, Debbie. Men come to me, Ay, Bro,

433
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: I just don't cry. I'm not about that. I'm like, cool, Bro,

434
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: you don't do anything. You're not here to do. Day two,

435
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 2: they're coming up to me with tears in their eyes.

436
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: Oh bro, thank you. I didn't even know this, you know,

437
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: like cool cool, that's that's always been in you and

438
00:27:49,920 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: the the the piece there that I wanted to say that, Yeah,

439
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 2: where is this? Why is this missing in our culture?

440
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,640
Speaker 2: And it's not like in true and to be honest,

441
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 2: it's not like you have to be filled with trauma

442
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 2: to come into one of these spaces. Yes, we have

443
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: men with the deep deep, the deep deep for real,

444
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: and most men have been hurt by other men. So

445
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 2: that makes it even more intimidating. And if you're a

446
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,439
Speaker 2: brother who is just out here treading water, not in contact,

447
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: not in connection with your purpose, forget purpose, you're not

448
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:38,160
Speaker 2: in contact with your heart. Like, let's start there. And

449
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: so I also want to just give the understanding for

450
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: anyone who's listening, maybe curious. Do you have to be

451
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: suffering from some immense amount of trauma. No, but if

452
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: there's a sense of quiet suffering happening for you, there

453
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 2: is a space for you to belong and it's called

454
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: sacred sounds.

455
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: Rocking said, I would love your thoughts, your reflection on

456
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 4: what have you noticed in yourself and others? The feedback

457
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: something so powerful in what you were expressing. Is it

458
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 4: felt like such a deep cellular reprogram hearing you speak

459
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 4: about this.

460
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: This is just gorgeous work. You know, this idea of.

461
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 4: Taking the masculine out to battle with themselves, taking the

462
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 4: masculine out to these sacred lands with one another, and

463
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 4: then returning home like I'm really hearing the hero's journey.

464
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 4: I'm hearing, yes, the heroic nature of that internal you know,

465
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 4: dragon slaying and.

466
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: The coming home.

467
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm really experiencing when you say that

468
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 4: it's it's coming home, but it's also kind of coming

469
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 4: into this.

470
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 5: Right, rightful rule that feels yes and right relation right

471
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 5: like this, this authentic, more nourishing, more powerful relation to

472
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 5: self and relation to.

473
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 4: The family system that you may be in that you're

474
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 4: returning home to. And what is that felt experience for

475
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: the masculine in that return home? And how are you

476
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: noticing shifts in the household?

477
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: That's a great question I want to I want to

478
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: first start by saying, many men are conditioned to outsource

479
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: their pleasure, their greatness, their pursuits through through icon worshiping,

480
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: through sports, through pornography. Right, so, just have an understanding

481
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 2: that we're outsourcing our sense of being the hero. And

482
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: it's a trope at this point to say be the

483
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: hero of your own journey. What does that even look like?

484
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 2: Where can I even go do that? Wow? Okay, So

485
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: if you want to be the hero in your journey,

486
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: in your story, it's not going to be because your

487
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: team won the big game. It's not going to be

488
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: because there's a beautiful girl on your screen. It's going

489
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 2: to be because you show up to it. In this reality,

490
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: with your heart fully online, so that you can feel

491
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: you don't have to throw the winning touchdown in a

492
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: Super Bowl yourself to feel like a champion. Okay. So

493
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: a part of the part of that confrontation too is

494
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: there is some there's something so empowering, not about competition,

495
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 2: but about being met. Okay, I feel what I'm saying.

496
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 2: For a man to be met with equal opposite force,

497
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: for a brother to be met an equal and opposite truth,

498
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: it does something to us where we begin to pull

499
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 2: in those aspects of ourselfs that want to outsource it,

500
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 2: that want the pleasure from the outside end. And what happens,

501
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 2: It becomes an inside out game. And then this says,

502
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 2: the only game that there is in this life. Everything

503
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: happens within right. And so what happens when these men

504
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 2: go home is they have the awareness, but not only

505
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 2: the awareness. We send our men home with commitments. And

506
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 2: these are not commitments that I write. These are commitments

507
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: that they speak, and they speak them before their brothers,

508
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 2: they speak them before the entire circle. And so when

509
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: they go home and they know what they have to do, everybody,

510
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: everybody listening, you know what you have to do. It's

511
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 2: up to you to choose to decide to do it.

512
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: And so what happens after four days of this being

513
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: met that I'm referencing, what happens is that those men

514
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: go home and they meet their commitments. And so I

515
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 2: don't want to make any illusions about what that is.

516
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: But I've had men. I've had men come up to

517
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: me and say, Adam, you saved my marriage, and I say,

518
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: you saved your marriage. And we also have men who

519
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: go home and they say, this relationship is not serving

520
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: me or her. And I went home and I handled

521
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: it and we had a conscious uncoupling because that's what

522
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: needed to happen. And my favorite, my favorite, So the

523
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 2: man tells me, you know, I committed to going home

524
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: and playing outside with my kids for one hour a day,

525
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 2: you know how, Like these are simple things. These are

526
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: simple things, Debbie, but they light me up and they

527
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: can light up our whole world. And so if you

528
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: dedicate yourself to playing outside with your children one hour

529
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: a day instead of being on your phone for an

530
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 2: hour a day, do you know what that does for

531
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: your children? Do you know what that does for you?

532
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 2: And so you know, I'm trying to this is powerful work.

533
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 2: This is life changing work. But it comes through in

534
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: simple ways, and it's about those choices we make every

535
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 2: single day. The little choices lead up to the big choices.

536
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: You know, life is is a bunch of you know,

537
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: small decisions that lead to big decisions. And so the

538
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: better men can come into awareness of themselves, who they are,

539
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: what their mission is, who's coming with them, where they're going.

540
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 2: The more they can come into contact with that, the

541
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 2: more they can take it home and be the hero

542
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: of their own journey.

543
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 4: M hm. The sum of our lives is found in

544
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: the tiny details always. Mastery is found in the simple

545
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 4: daily details of ourselves and that peace right, Like, and

546
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: I love that you're you know, just.

547
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 3: I love the way you're.

548
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 4: Framing the simplicity of it, but I also want to

549
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: make sure that I fully reflect back, Like, what you're

550
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 4: calling simplicity is how the world changes. It's how we

551
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: reprogram our souls. It's how it's how we find God,

552
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 4: it's how we live with God. You know that that

553
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 4: hour day, it's.

554
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 2: Really beautiful that you with your child. It's beautiful that

555
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: you said, that's how we find God. Because at that gathering,

556
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: I was referencing in Joshua tree in twenty sixteen. That

557
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,479
Speaker 2: was that was one of that was actually my check

558
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: out of that space. I was like, I feel the

559
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: presence of God in this circle, not because there's someone

560
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: here preaching, not because there's someone here that's saying they're

561
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 2: better than the rest of us, but because of our

562
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 2: connection to each other. Because we're able to see each other. Now,

563
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 2: I can start to to see God. I can see

564
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 2: myself in you. And if I acknowledge that there's a

565
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: there's an aspect of me that is source and you

566
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,840
Speaker 2: don't have to use the word God, if that doesn't resonate,

567
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: but there's an aspect of yourself that is source. You

568
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: are source energy. And then when we can recognize that

569
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: in others, we begin to make better choices. And men

570
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: on this planet have been making choices that are detrimental

571
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: to the earth itself, to the feminine, to each other,

572
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:59,240
Speaker 2: to the masculine. And it's time to start making better choices.

573
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: And the only way we can do that is through

574
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 2: a collective witnessing and understanding that there is a better

575
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: way to live on this planet. And I call that brotherhood.

576
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: You know, I've experienced it in my own life. The

577
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 2: power of brotherhood and sisterhood as well, and coming together

578
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: in sacred union asu community that comes that comes after,

579
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: you know, that's a that is a byproduct of what

580
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: happens when we come together. And so I'm curious for

581
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: you if you have sisterhood in your life, if you

582
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 2: resonate with with what that means to sit in ceremony

583
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: or to sit with your girls. You know what I mean.

584
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: I live my life in ceremony. I live a very

585
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: very devotional life, and ceremony daily ritual is what. It

586
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 4: changed everything about every lifetime I've ever had and every

587
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 4: possibility for the future.

588
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 3: Of my lineage. And that was the piece.

589
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: And thank you for asking me that question, because I

590
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 4: think I'm someone that has been on the path for

591
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 4: a really long time, you know, just as a highly sensitive,

592
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 4: deeply intuitive child and moving into you know the world.

593
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 4: And I've always been on a quest I've always been

594
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: a seeker, always, always, always. I was the child with

595
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 4: a self help book, you know. I wanted to understand

596
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 4: humanity really deeply and understand myself. And from a cognitive standpoint,

597
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: that was happening. And then it wasn't until I really

598
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 4: would say, like two thy sixteen for myself as well

599
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 4: that I understood. I had to get out of my brain.

600
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 4: I had to get out of understanding people cognitively or

601
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 4: kind of doing these psychoanalysis on every interaction and every

602
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 4: human that I knew, and I had to I had

603
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 4: to bring that down into my heart and that depth

604
00:37:51,480 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 4: of awakening. Nothing about the world is ever the same again.

605
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 4: And you also, the way you relate to yourself, the

606
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 4: way you relate to the observations you may have been

607
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 4: making about society and about humanity, You're just never the same.

608
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 4: And I think a space I shared this recently, and

609
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 4: I've actually found myself in conversation about it quite a bit.

610
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 4: But one of my teachers, doctor Ron Holmnick, I remember,

611
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: I had this moment where in all my understanding of trauma,

612
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: of people who have been abusive in the world, people

613
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: who've been abused in the world, I just came to

614
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 4: the deep love of really both sides. And I remember

615
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 4: he said to me, you know, now you have entered

616
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 4: the chapter of life of unbearable compassion, and all the

617
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 4: moments are really just unbearable compassion happening, and you come

618
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: into an acceptance of it, and you relate to it

619
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 4: fine with it, but yeah, you know you saying that

620
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 4: that really you connecting to that moment where the version

621
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: of you, this being Adam, probably stepped aside and it

622
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 4: became more of a channel for God's work and the

623
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,640
Speaker 4: way that you were meant to share with others and

624
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: meant to help them unlock themselves. I just see that

625
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 4: really deep. I just really honor that the work that

626
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 4: you're doing.

627
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.

628
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 4: It's just the most important work, the most important work

629
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 4: one could do with their lives for all of humanity.

630
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,720
Speaker 4: And it's incredible and I'm so grateful you exist.

631
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 2: Mmm that that brings up several things for me. First

632
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: is thank you for for that acknowledgment. The second is

633
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: it's not me, you know, I did. I did. I

634
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: did have to step out of way. First of all,

635
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: you know, there's a there's a core of us at

636
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 2: the center. You know. I don't hold this alone, which

637
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: is why I'm able to easily step into it and

638
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: to to help steward this work. This is not something

639
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 2: that we invented. Yes we named it, yes we gave

640
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: it structure as the masculine does, but this is truly

641
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 2: a co created movement. Feel me. And the most highest

642
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: present in it at all times. And not only that,

643
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: but Spirit has been with us as sacred sons. Once

644
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: we agreed and once we put that, you know, call

645
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: out to You could say the universe, you could say

646
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 2: great Spirit, whatever you want to say, I'll say, once

647
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: you put the call to Spirit, Spirit's been meeting us

648
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: at every step of the way. But the only way

649
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: that can happen is if we stay in integrity. And

650
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 2: so this is this is a key to all of this.

651
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 2: You know, I think from my in my personal journey,

652
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: I have been fulfilled throughout my life in different endeavors.

653
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: And one thing that I understand to be true is

654
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 2: that when you make that kind of a commitment to Spirit,

655
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 2: the deal is, if I stay in integrity and I

656
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 2: do what I say, then the universe is going to

657
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 2: have my back. Universe has got me, Spirit's got me,

658
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 2: God's got me. And you can reference all of the

659
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: greats they all say the same. And so the integrity

660
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: that we have as human beings is so vital to

661
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: our fulfillment, not to our accomplishment, not to how much

662
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 2: money we make, but to our fulfillment, Like how close

663
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: do we come to touching our own soul. That's what

664
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 2: fulfillment is. It's like, Wow, I did something that resonates

665
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: so deeply with who I am on the soul level.

666
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 2: And that type of fulfillment you cannot outsource. I can

667
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 2: just keep going and going. If you just want me

668
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: to talk.

669
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: I.

670
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: Want to have five hours.

671
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: Okay, So there's three places I would really like to go,

672
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 4: and I also want to honor your time.

673
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: But I hope we can move through these things.

674
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 4: The piece that you just spoke to, my God, I

675
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: would just like to further amplify that message. There is

676
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: nothing there. There should be in my view, and for

677
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 4: those that can receive this, there should be nothing more

678
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 4: important in your life than your spiritual integrity.

679
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 3: Nothing.

680
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 4: It is the basis for all the things, and it

681
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 4: is the piece that will always keep you divinely aligned,

682
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 4: which when you're divinely aligned, that extends itself to unseen

683
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 4: and seeing, protection, that extends itself to grace and ease,

684
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 4: and every and all things, that extends itself to. You know,

685
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 4: a lot of people enter, I think, into the path

686
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: of healing themselves because they want to connect to a purpose.

687
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: You know, this idea of purpose that we begin to

688
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 4: really struct societally.

689
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: That's a great entry point too.

690
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: Spiritual integrity allows that, and you know, when it comes

691
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 4: to those moment by moment decisions and when we speak

692
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 4: to what is integrity, you know, I think a lot

693
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 4: of I would like to root in that for a

694
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 4: second atom because I think something that has kept many

695
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: of us from ourselves for so long is a misunderstanding

696
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 4: of language or a misapplication of language, or you know,

697
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: seeing definitions for certain words based on the way that

698
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 4: our families of origin or society have reflected them for us.

699
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 4: But you know, spiritual integrity being in integrity with oneself,

700
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 4: that is in each moment, not just making choices for

701
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: highest good, which does not mean choices necessarily of pleasure

702
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 4: or choices of you know, benefit, making choices of highest

703
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 4: good for yourself and all concerned. So it means even

704
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 4: in the smallest moments, it's not making the quote unquote

705
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: right choice all the time, right where humans were flawed,

706
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 4: but it's making you know, the integral choice. It's making

707
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: a choice out of in openness and heart. There is

708
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 4: not fear present, there is not malice present, there is

709
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 4: not personal societal benefit present, and it's the kind of

710
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 4: choice you make that even if only one person knows

711
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 4: of this choice. You know, even if no one knows

712
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 4: of this choice, you hold that honor in yourself.

713
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: At each moment.

714
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

715
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: Absolutely, How I related to what you said, what.

716
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 2: Do you do when no one is watching? This is integrity? Yeah,

717
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 2: you know. Like and I want to say this as well.

718
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 2: The beautiful thing about this time that we're in is

719
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: we don't even have to do anything. The shadows are

720
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 2: coming into the light, Debbie. It's happening with whether you're

721
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 2: in the river or not. Your shadows are coming into

722
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 2: the light. My own personal shadows too. You know, I

723
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: don't want to make any illusions that I'm a perfect person.

724
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: There are no perfect people. And the invitation is not

725
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: to strive for perfection or for the image of perfection,

726
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 2: but to strive for actively showing up and participating in

727
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: your life. And so what that looks like for me,

728
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: my family is my spiritual practice. There's no yoga studio

729
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: or for church on this planet that can inform me

730
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: of how I'm showing up better than my family, who's

731
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: with me day and day out right. So that's that's

732
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: where my spiritual practice, that's where my deepest, most challenging,

733
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: most confronting pieces are So if I have to, I

734
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:34,239
Speaker 2: have to be real about this. So whatever it is

735
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 2: for you, for you, and I'm speaking to you as

736
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: who's listening to this right now, find your spiritual practice.

737
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: You know that could look like devoting yourself to a

738
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 2: plethora of different things. And then the next step from

739
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: here is to do what you say you are going

740
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: to do. And so what you say you're going to do,

741
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: like get clear, write those things down, write what's important.

742
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,959
Speaker 2: I love lists, make your pros and cons list, write

743
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 2: down what's important to you. And every time I do it,

744
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: when I check back in families at the top, you

745
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it's we don't we're not

746
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 2: changing so frequently that like we don't know what's important anymore. However,

747
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 2: the invitation is to get clear on what's important to you.

748
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,560
Speaker 2: And then if you say that thing, like, follow up

749
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 2: on it. It's it. We can we can keep it

750
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 2: real simple, you know, I keep I keep referencing that

751
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 2: because I feel like it's important. I think there's also

752
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: a lot of projection, and you know, from the outside end,

753
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 2: there's always going to be judgment, and that's okay, but

754
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 2: I want to I want to invite us into, you know,

755
00:46:57,640 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: a reframing on what's important because it's not about what

756
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 2: people see out there. And you know what I love

757
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 2: about what you said that I resonated with deeply is

758
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: that since you were a young girl, you just had

759
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: this sense you were a seeker. I have it too.

760
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 2: I have a theory. I'm biracial and mixed. My father's black,

761
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: my mother's white. More mixed people I come into contact

762
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 2: with we have something. There's something about us. There's something

763
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: and it's not just I'm talking about there is there's

764
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 2: a shift happening on a DNA level where, yeah, when

765
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 2: you come equipped with multiple perspective, with multiple perspectives, there

766
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: is something that unlocks within us. I just say it

767
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: like that Bob Marley had it. You know, Bob's father

768
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 2: was white, his mother was black. If you didn't know that,

769
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 2: you know, there's there's certain but Obama has it. You

770
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: know how he captivated the world because of his spirit,

771
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 2: because of who he is. You have that. I have that.

772
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 2: There's others that have it, and no one's better than anyone.

773
00:47:57,840 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that, but that's a part of the

774
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 2: that's happening, and so what do we do with it?

775
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: There's so much self help in the world, but where

776
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: is all the helping others? Why is there a book

777
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: a section of a bookstore called self help, but there's

778
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: no helping others? What about receiving help? Where's the section

779
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: to receive help? You know what I'm saying, Like, this

780
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 2: life as a human being is not about like being

781
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: on a boat struggling to survive. You don't want to

782
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 2: be lost at sea in this life. Receive help, receive support.

783
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: And so that's largely what this work is like cultivating

784
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 2: and it's churning, and we're here for the long game.

785
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 2: I'm so lit up on this and not Bear and

786
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,880
Speaker 2: Jay and some of the we can speak to some

787
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: of the specifics of events and things, but we are

788
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,839
Speaker 2: really giving our life's energy to this work, to cultivating

789
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:57,439
Speaker 2: community and by region by region. It's not about like, hey,

790
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: come to California, come to Maui and have a great weekend.

791
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 2: We're bringing this work to Atlanta, to Baltimore, to the

792
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest to Oregon, you know, and really cultivating men

793
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: to create connection within their communities. What does it look

794
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 2: like in Atlanta. When you have forty fifty one hundred,

795
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:19,399
Speaker 2: two hundred and three hundred, it keeps building men who

796
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: have witnessed each other and seen each other and respect

797
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: each other. What does that do to the larger community.

798
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:31,800
Speaker 2: So we'll find out. We will find out because we're

799
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: here for it. We're talking about integrity, and so my

800
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,440
Speaker 2: personal integrity what's being asked of me is like, great,

801
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: I've figured a couple of things out for myself. I

802
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: felt a couple things out. What am I going to

803
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: do with it? Am I going to hoard it? Am

804
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: I going to stay in my isolation because of them?

805
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 2: This is this game is also about inviting others to

806
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 2: the place where you are. There's a lot of people

807
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: saying meet them where they're at, meet them where they're at.

808
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 2: That keeps people where they're at, Invite them to where

809
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:00,840
Speaker 2: you are.

810
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: That's we're just yeah.

811
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 2: You were saying, and this is why I was saying.

812
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 2: The piece around helping others. All my relations a home

813
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: ataqureosin this is These are ancient words that many people

814
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: in the spiritual communities say, But what that's saying is

815
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: all my relations. So when you were talking about making

816
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: decisions when you say a hoo or a home attaqueosin

817
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 2: that is bringing it back to all my relations. So

818
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: when you do make decisions, I could give you my

819
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 2: personal process. What's best for me, what's best for my family,

820
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 2: what's best for my community, what's best for my world?

821
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 2: Boom in that order, this is a clear way to

822
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: help make decisions. You know what I mean. And if

823
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:57,280
Speaker 2: you if you come into not a habit but a ritual,

824
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 2: you know nothing nothing here should be habitual. It should

825
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 2: be ritual, it should be filled with intention. If you

826
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 2: make decisions with intention, from that perspective of all my relations,

827
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 2: we begin to make better decisions at an individual level,

828
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 2: at a societal level, and a corporate level, at an

829
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 2: industrial level, all my relations mm hm.

830
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 4: When you were when you were speaking, when you were

831
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 4: speaking to the piece about being young seekers too, to

832
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 4: add on that, you know, a theme that I was

833
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 4: noticing is that even if there was not a multicultural background,

834
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 4: if someone had like paradox present, if there was very

835
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 4: specific contrasts, Because that's what I that's something I really

836
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: resonate to in my path. Like I had this, I

837
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 4: had very extremely different circumstances. Every time I looked up

838
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 4: throughout my whole childhood. And it's like that gets your

839
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 4: brain working in such a way to really understand how

840
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: many different things are happening that one how many I

841
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 4: guess in some translations like how many levels are possible,

842
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 4: how many experiences are possible, really showing the spectrum of

843
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,640
Speaker 4: human emotion and human experience. And for me, I really

844
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 4: related to that we are all these different recipes happening, right,

845
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,760
Speaker 4: Like we all have a lot of the same stuff

846
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 4: in us, but to different degrees, and that's what makes

847
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 4: our individuality.

848
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 3: But that's also what makes sometimes.

849
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 4: Our greatest spiritual curriculum that we find that's present. So

850
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 4: for those listening, you know, start to I would really

851
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 4: like to invite you to start looking at where were

852
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 4: where were some extremes present life? And it could be

853
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 4: something like you noticed you lived in one neighborhood, but

854
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 4: to get to school you always passed, you know, a

855
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: different kind of neighborhood, whether that was a more abundant

856
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,919
Speaker 4: neighborhood or a less served neighborhood, and what that brought

857
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 4: up inside of you as a kid growing up in

858
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 4: La It's like, you know, having this experience of such

859
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 4: excess in such areas in some areas, such privilege in

860
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 4: some areas, but then sometimes living in areas where there

861
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 4: was so much murder crime drugs present, but having both

862
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 4: as a part of my day and so that that

863
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Speaker 4: can really get some of our self inquiry going.

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Speaker 3: For those listening, Yeah, it's perspective. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I'll give an example from my life. Thanksgiving, I

866
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 2: would go to two grandmas. I went to my granny's

867
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: in the morning. You know, it was greens, it was uh,

868
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Speaker 2: it was like bank macaroni and cheese. It was Chitlin's,

869
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 2: it was chicken Hearts, it was all the things I

870
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,280
Speaker 2: grew up in Dane, Ohio. So I'm in Ohio. Okay, Ranny,

871
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 2: rest her soul, love you, you know. And the conversation

872
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 2: at the table was one way. And in the afternoon evening,

873
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 2: I go to my my grandma's house, my mom's mom,

874
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 2: and the food was macaroni and cheese or not mac

875
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: macro and cheese too, but like this macaroni salad and

876
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: this jello thing. And it was just a little bit differ,

877
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. The food was I just

878
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: want to be real, and it gave me a perspective.

879
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: The conversation was different. And what I'm what I'm saying

880
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: about that that being mixed, being biracial is having perspective,

881
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: like in broad giving ourselves a broader perspective is very informing.

882
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, people live different ways. A lot of

883
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 2: people don't get to experience that. And so Sacred Sons

884
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 2: we have a youth program, Son's Youth And the way

885
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 2: that we have set this program up is it's a

886
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,359
Speaker 2: one to one model. So for every family that can

887
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 2: afford to put their kid in a program, it's an

888
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 2: eight week online program. We talk about emotional intelligence, emotional resilience.

889
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 2: It's really giving young men a place to ask questions

890
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: and a place to find guidance and mentorship. But for

891
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 2: every family that can send their child, we scholarship another

892
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,839
Speaker 2: young man. And so what happens is you got one

893
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: man from Beverly Hills, one young man from Beverly Hills,

894
00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: and another from let's say outide of Chicago. But they're

895
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 2: in the same zoom call every single week for eight weeks.

896
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 2: You know what that does to your perspective? And what

897
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,200
Speaker 2: you know, the most interesting thing is on day one,

898
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,360
Speaker 2: these the boys all meet and we do like little

899
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: exercises and games, get to know you kind of stuff.

900
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:21,480
Speaker 2: And the first initial sentiment is young men feeling like

901
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 2: I don't have anything in common with these other guys, right,

902
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 2: But through the through the contact, through the connection, through

903
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 2: the conversation, what happens is they go, oh, they're worried

904
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 2: about the same things that I am. They have similar

905
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: questions that I have at a young age. You know,

906
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: we have a cohort that's eleven to fourteen. We have

907
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 2: another cohort that's fifteen to nineteen for the young men,

908
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 2: and these are all led by three mentors per cohort.

909
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 2: And what's happening is we're broadening the perspectives of these

910
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: young men. Again, this is not rocket science, This is

911
00:55:56,960 --> 00:56:01,600
Speaker 2: not in doctrination. This is connection. And when we begin

912
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 2: to broaden our perspectives through real experience, not through not

913
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:10,879
Speaker 2: through the internet, not through watching someone else do something else,

914
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 2: but through our real experience, only then can we begin

915
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: to utilize the breadth of that perspective to make changes

916
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: in our own lives, to make better choices. Again, even

917
00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 2: for the young men, it's still about making better choices.

918
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: And because of this program, I've I personally mentor a

919
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 2: few young men. And I'm talking about these these kids nowadays,

920
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 2: they're coming with real problems, real opportunities, real situations.

921
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 3: What are you see?

922
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: What am I seeing? Yeah, I'm seeing a lot of this,

923
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 2: you know, see a lot of technology, a lot of

924
00:56:54,680 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 2: again the outsourcing, right, yes, and so I'm also seeing fear,

925
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:07,920
Speaker 2: I'm seeing violence, I'm seeing drug use, I'm seeing I

926
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 2: don't know what else there is specifically, you know, nowadays,

927
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 2: after after COVID, it's like a lot of young men

928
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 2: were were further pushed into isolation and more on their screens.

929
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: And I got nothing against video games truly, Like, if

930
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: you love video games, that's great, and there's a way

931
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 2: to play video games with intention as well. There's also

932
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 2: there's also you know, I don't want to I have

933
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,920
Speaker 2: a have to be I have to keep things confidential,

934
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 2: so I don't really like to share specific examples. But

935
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: I'm talking about young men as young as twelve thirteen

936
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,360
Speaker 2: with access to drugs, weapons, the internet, and so what

937
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 2: happens when you're you're exposed to all this with little

938
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:57,720
Speaker 2: to no guidance. What happens?

939
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that is that can on a young male's

940
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: brain have the same effect as a sexual abuse or trauma,

941
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 4: having too early access to pornography big time, but you

942
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 4: don't understand what's happening.

943
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and it's a lot of you know, it's

944
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 2: it's important to note that it's never like too late

945
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 2: to call in guidance or mentorship. And so we have

946
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 2: men in our spaces as old as sixty and seventy.

947
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: They don't talk to their children. You know, they've maybe

948
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 2: self destructed or hurt relationships in their lives because they've

949
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 2: never been able to feel so like the saying that

950
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 2: I like man, Oh got it. There's a quote from

951
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 2: Frederick Douglas which is it's easier to raise strong boys

952
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:02,680
Speaker 2: than to repair broken men. So, Frederick Douglas, I hear you.

953
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 2: I'm with you, And so a lot of the mission

954
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 2: for us as sacred sons, Yes, we do masculine alchemy

955
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 2: and men's work, but we're shifting to help raise strong

956
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 2: boys so that we don't have to repair broken men.

957
00:59:17,560 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that this program makes your child

958
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 2: perfect again, let's be real, But will it influence and

959
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 2: encourage them to make better choices? One hundred thousand percent?

960
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 2: And I could say that with clarity and sincerity because

961
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 2: I'm witnessing it. I'm witnessing it in so many ways.

962
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: And I've seen young men stop using drugs. I've seen

963
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: young men be honest about things that they have in

964
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: their possession which are illegal. I don't even want to

965
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:53,120
Speaker 2: be that specific, but and be honest about it and

966
00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,600
Speaker 2: get rid of it or take it to the appropriate

967
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: authorities or bring it to their parents, just from a

968
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: little bit of guidance mentorship. And so you know, I'm

969
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: getting emotional about that because it's like, that's what I needed,

970
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: That's what we need. You know, there's a time in

971
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: each of our lives where it's like we need guidance,

972
01:00:16,680 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: So where do we get it? And I'm also you know,

973
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 2: if there's anything to be proud about, it's about the

974
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 2: fact that we are scholarshipping in so many men. We

975
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 2: are not doing this for to make money. And in fact,

976
01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 2: this is not something this is not like an endeavor

977
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,000
Speaker 2: to set out to make money, although spirits with us

978
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: right and so the opportunities are abundant, and so being

979
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: able to scholarship in men and provide them mentorship and connection,

980
01:00:48,000 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: like it's really special. Rocking and jail.

981
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 4: So I do not have enough time left with you

982
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 4: to go into this next space that.

983
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 3: I want to go, but I part too soon come

984
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 3: because there.

985
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 4: Is another spaces and I would love this is okay

986
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 4: to have.

987
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 2: This is okay because you know, hopefully for those listening,

988
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 2: if if this is your first time hearing of Sacred

989
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:56,880
Speaker 2: Songs or even of an organization that serves men and

990
01:01:56,960 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 2: young men in this way, yea, this is a This

991
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 2: is an emergent culture that's happening, and so get connected

992
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 2: with us Instagram, at Sacred Suns, Facebook, TikTok, all those things.

993
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: We have an amazing crew of photographers and videographers making

994
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:19,360
Speaker 2: some incredible media that people can connect with. The podcast

995
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,840
Speaker 2: Sacred Suns podcast I do an episode of every week

996
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: or so you can just join the conversation that way,

997
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 2: and we're continually developing more and more ways for people

998
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 2: to engage with us. Because there's so many layers before

999
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,720
Speaker 2: you actually cross that threshold into the desert. I get it,

1000
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 2: there's a lot that may need to settle before that happens,

1001
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: and so there are ways to access us, access this work,

1002
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,840
Speaker 2: you know, from the safety and comfort of your home.

1003
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 2: And I guess I want to say this too. Shout

1004
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:00,479
Speaker 2: out to all the women, all the why and mothers

1005
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: who have sent their sons, sent their husbands. I would

1006
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: say fifty percent of the men who join us are

1007
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: sent by the women in their lives who love them.

1008
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: So thank you to those women.

1009
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: How beautiful.

1010
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 4: I would love I'm going to say this here, but

1011
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,919
Speaker 4: we'll offline about it, but I would love I would

1012
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 4: love to sponsor some scholarships. I would love to donate. Yeah,

1013
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,600
Speaker 4: and so we're sponsored scholarships.

1014
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: Sacred Sons Foundation is calling that in. We have an

1015
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 2: entire nonprofit arm that we have our brothers men who

1016
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 2: join our community. That's that's the first thing that many

1017
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 2: of them say, how do I get more men here?

1018
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 2: I want more men to experience them? And these guys

1019
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 2: are the ones that had the most resistance coming in,

1020
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 2: and now after four days of connection, confrontation and celebration,

1021
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 2: they're like, how do we get more and more men

1022
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: to experience this? Right? And my hope is and so yes,

1023
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:01,440
Speaker 2: Sacred Sons Foundation dot org, Sacred Sons dot com for

1024
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:07,520
Speaker 2: for everything, and please your donations, your attention, your support

1025
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 2: in all your comments, It's all welcome. It's all welcome.

1026
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 2: And you know, my hope is that more and more

1027
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 2: of us start to carry the flag the beautiful burden

1028
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: of what it means to be in service, not to

1029
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 2: be in not to be in selflessness or selfishness, but

1030
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,480
Speaker 2: to be of service. There's many ways to be of service.

1031
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 2: So how do we utilize our gifts, our tools or skills,

1032
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: our wisdom to be of service to others. This is

1033
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: a time on this planet that's really asking for that,

1034
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 2: and we're in it. And you know, Sacred Sons is

1035
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,680
Speaker 2: a part of a movement of of awakening. And if

1036
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 2: that word doesn't resonate, or raising consciousness doesn't resonate, come

1037
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:11,200
Speaker 2: back to connection. This is a movement of connection. And

1038
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 2: the more as human beings that we can be connected,

1039
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 2: we can look each other in the eyes, we can

1040
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 2: be in resonance. I believe that it is. You know,

1041
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 2: it's better for our planet. It's better for our young

1042
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: ones who are coming in. Like I said in the beginning,

1043
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: I'm raising three strong boys right now, you know, raising

1044
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: their consciousness. It's my it's my utmost responsibility as their father.

1045
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,080
Speaker 2: And there's another there's a there's more responsibility for us.

1046
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, and this is a quote

1047
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: from Stephen Jenkinson, who I just spoke to recently, who

1048
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:49,360
Speaker 2: is an elder. But as men, it's like we we

1049
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 2: should be we should consider ourselves the father of everyone's children.

1050
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 2: And so what that means is we are all born

1051
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: in this into this life through a mother, through the

1052
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: great Mother. So let's treat each other like that, like,

1053
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 2: let's let's embody. That's enough. There's enough, there's enough nonsense, hatred,

1054
01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:14,960
Speaker 2: lies being spread out there. It's time for the new

1055
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 2: It's time for the new paradigm.

1056
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: We're here for it, here for it, here for it.

1057
01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:30,840
Speaker 4: M I have My son is turning for next month,

1058
01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 4: and when he hits eleven he will be at that

1059
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:42,160
Speaker 4: than he will be out with you all. I cannot wait. Adam,

1060
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:45,480
Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you

1061
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 4: for coming on the show. Thank you so deeply to

1062
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 4: you and all of the incredible men that do this

1063
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 4: work with you. I'm so grateful for all of you.

1064
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 4: I'm so grateful for your life. Thank you for being

1065
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,840
Speaker 4: of service, thank you for answering your call. Thank you

1066
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,840
Speaker 4: for creating this space. Thank you for allowing God in

1067
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 4: this work that you were doing that is profound, is gorgeous,

1068
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: and it is just so honorable and I'm so thankful.

1069
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Speaker 3: Thank you for joining me.

1070
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 2: You're welcome, Thank you. You deserve it, We deserve it,

1071
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: and we're worthy of it as human beings. Thank you, DEVI.

1072
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,880
Speaker 2: I hope we drop some gems for your listeners today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Once again, so so grateful. Thank you, Adam Jackson. Everyone

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Speaker 4: listening to the show, whether you identify as Mail or

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Speaker 4: you are connected to a mail that you love, I

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Speaker 4: would love to once again point you in the direction

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Speaker 4: of Adam's Instagram page Sacred Sons Instagram page. You can

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Speaker 4: go to Adam Underscore Jackson on ig and also at

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Speaker 4: Sacred Sons on ig the website Sacred Sons dot com.

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Speaker 4: So now diving into our soul work for this episode,

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Speaker 4: I want to revisit the card that popped from my

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Speaker 4: Karmel Bliss affirmation deck at the beginning of this episode,

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Speaker 4: and I want you to notice where it lands now

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Speaker 4: having connected to Adam's work and the work of Sacred Son.

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Speaker 4: So I want to invite you in this moment to

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Speaker 4: once again connect to your breath, allow your body to

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Speaker 4: become still soft but still supportive, and if it's safe

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Speaker 4: and comfortable. Gently close your eyes and connect to my

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Speaker 4: words here as you focus on your breath, and we're

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Speaker 4: just noticing where this affirmation wants to land and what

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Speaker 4: it might want to bring forward. I am open to

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Speaker 4: receiving all that is necessary for my spiritual evolution. I

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Speaker 4: am open to receiving all that is necessary for my

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Speaker 4: spiritual evolution. I am open to receiving all that is

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Speaker 4: necessary for my spiritual evolution. And if they were closed,

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Speaker 4: just allow yourself to gently open your eyes here, come

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Speaker 4: back into your heart space.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: I want to invite you kind of moved through this week, however,

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Speaker 4: whenever you're listening to this episode, insteader journaling this week

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Speaker 4: and really diving into this affirmation, especially from some of

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Speaker 4: the bigger contexts that was shared in this episode. To

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Speaker 4: be open to receiving all that is necessary for one

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Speaker 4: spiritual evolution is to be in a space acceptance of

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Speaker 4: what is. And to accept what is does not mean

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Speaker 4: that you have to prefer it or like it, but

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Speaker 4: you're just present with what is present in your life,

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Speaker 4: and is there opportunity to open more to whatever is

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Speaker 4: at play in your life right now, whatever patterns are presenting,

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Speaker 4: whatever story is unfolding, whatever pains are processing, whatever purpose

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Speaker 4: is evolving, saying to yourself, journaling for yourself.

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Speaker 3: In openness for your highest good. Write down a couple

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Speaker 3: ways today that even if you're not loving it, and

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Speaker 3: some of you may be, what are some ways that

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Speaker 3: you are being open to your spiritual evolution in this moment?

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Speaker 3: Just shot them down. They don't have to be these,

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Speaker 3: you know, massive ways. Sometimes they are. Sometimes we are

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Speaker 3: struck with major catalysts for growth, and sometimes it's through.

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Speaker 4: Small disappointments and irritations or new opportunities of sub sort.

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Speaker 4: Maybe there's an offer curiosity that's present to you. Just

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Speaker 4: write down, what are you beginning to notice is unfolding

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Speaker 4: on your behalf for your spiritual evolution? And is there

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Speaker 4: an opportunity to be even more open, stretched and expanded

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Speaker 4: to receive it. There's some thoughts for your consideration. I

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Speaker 4: hope you'll have some some fun with that sometime. Set

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Speaker 4: aside for that, all right, Big love at you guys.

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Speaker 4: Next week hit me on the Gram at Debbie Brown,

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Speaker 4: go ahead and leave that five star review and a comment.

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Speaker 4: Big love everyone, once again.

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Speaker 3: I'm a stay.

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Speaker 4: Hey, find me on social let's connect at Debbie Brown.

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Speaker 4: That's Twitter and Instagram, or go to my website Debbie

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Speaker 4: Brown dot com. And if you're listening to the show

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