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Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: there's something about terrible movie, don't you think, Caitlin, Yes,

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Durante And this is the Bechtel Cast. It's our podcast, beloved,

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Speaker 1: I would say, but there's something about this podcast. There's

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Speaker 1: something about the Bechtel Cast. Is it that we are

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Speaker 1: is the Bectel Cast. It's our podcast about the betrayal

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Speaker 1: of women in movies. That sounds like betrayal be well,

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Speaker 1: movies usually betray women. Yes, yes, And we use the

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Speaker 1: Bechtel test as a jumping off point for discussion. But

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Speaker 1: what is that. Well, it's just a media metric that

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Speaker 1: is developed by cartoonist Allison Bechtel that you can apply

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Speaker 1: to a movie like there's something about Mary. For example,

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Speaker 1: a movie will pass said test if there are two

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Speaker 1: something other than a man. Yes, so that here's an

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Speaker 1: so short and cute and great. Thank you. You're abiding

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Speaker 1: It's Katie Stole. Hey, guys, welcome. I feel so welcome.

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Speaker 1: So today's movie is there's something about Mary. They were

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Speaker 1: sick pranks that the brothers enjoyed while quoting Cameron Diaza

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Speaker 1: saying quote, when a director shows you his penis the

421
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Speaker 1: first time you meet him, You've got to recognize the

422
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Speaker 1: creative genius and what the fuck? I also, I mean

423
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Speaker 1: I would I in defense of Cameron, I mean, what

424
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 1: is she supposed to do at this time? What options

425
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: does she have? And like that story probably wasn't received.

426
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: Everyone's like, yeah, you're right, that's funny, Like yeah, this

427
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: was this was perceived as okay at this time. So

428
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 1: I don't alter that against her at all, but like, yikes. Um.

429
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: She's quoted in a two thousand article and The Observer saying, quote,

430
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Speaker 1: I just adore those guys. Bobby's a little more shy.

431
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't pull his penis out as much. That's Peter's behavior,

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00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: Bobby moons us um. According to another article and The Observer,

433
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: Peter Fairley says he's pulled his penis out at least

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Speaker 1: five hundred times. So there's likes me so mad. They're

435
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 1: the fucking worst. Uh last year, Peter Fairley, let me

436
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 1: see if I can find imagine him now on his sets.

437
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,719
Speaker 1: It's just not the same. You just can't pull out

438
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 1: your dick whenever you want. No, he does just like

439
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: a lameo apology. He says, last year, I was an idiot.

440
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: I did this decades ago, and I thought I was

441
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: being funny, and the truth is I'm embarrassed. It makes

442
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: me cringe. Now I'm deeply sorry, which is I mean,

443
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: at least he addressed it, but this is like, fuck you,

444
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: you're he's he's done too many shitty things like he

445
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 1: did have to. I mean, I don't know. I'm like,

446
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: at least he had to be confronted with it. But

447
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: so so all that to say they're as bad as

448
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 1: they seem, there's bet as their movies would make them

449
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: sound like, and uh, they're whipping their dicks out at

450
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: the cast. It sounds like constantly five hundred times. Um.

451
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: So that that's the t on ship Heads. The Fairly

452
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 1: Brothers are some helpful contexts. Thank you. That's Jamie's context corner.

453
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You're welcome. So, I mean, should

454
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: we just start with Mary. Let's start with Mary. Let's

455
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: start with Mary. There's something about her is the thing?

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00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: Um so she the thing that's not that makes her

457
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 1: so special? And again like not like the other girls.

458
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,239
Speaker 1: Is that in many movies where people try to do this,

459
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: they basically just take a like flat, underdeveloped female character

460
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: and give her traditionally masculine interests or trades to make

461
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: her seem cool and again not like the other girls,

462
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: because she likes football, she likes to golf, she wants

463
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Speaker 1: to be taken to the big game and eating corn dogs.

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Speaker 1: And have to talk about that scene because that scene

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Speaker 1: is so the corn dog scene, the scene where she

466
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Speaker 1: talks about the corn dogs with like with Sarah Silverman

467
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Speaker 1: sa friends. So that scene just just because I had

468
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: to go back and watch it twice to be like

469
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: that really did happen where we we try to pay

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Speaker 1: attention to, like when our women shown eating in movies

471
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: because it never happens. And that is a scene where

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00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: she's at some like bistro with her friends. There they're

473
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Speaker 1: a brunch because women be at brunch. They're all eating salad.

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Speaker 1: They're all eating salad. And Mary who as we know,

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00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: I mean, she's Cameron Diaz. She is Western beauty standards

476
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: to the you know, most egregious extent. She's very thin, uh,

477
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: and she says, I want a guy to play thirty

478
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Speaker 1: six holes with and still have enough energy to bring

479
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: me in warre into a ballgame. Sausage, hot dogs, and beer,

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00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 1: not light beer, real beer. So she's like, truly, I mean,

481
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: the guy's Galreda there, but she's saying this like, oh,

482
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: I just want to eat and drink as she is

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00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: sitting in front of the salad, and none of the

484
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 1: women in the scene even eat a bite of the salad.

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Speaker 1: It is unhinged. Yeah, yeah, it made me crazy as

486
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: what a hollow piece of ship thing that is because

487
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: if because like if a woman of any other size

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Speaker 1: had said that line, it would have been played as

489
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Speaker 1: a joke. But because it is like this extremely thin

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00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: says had white ladies saying it, and she's not like

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00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: in the back of your head, and it's like she's

492
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Speaker 1: not actually going to do that. It's that's the thing

493
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: about her, is that she's that there's something. There's something

494
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: about her, is she she's presented as being this like

495
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: guy's gal, not like the other girl's type. But she

496
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: fits the mold of exactly what is considered quote an

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Speaker 1: ideal woman based on you know, Western standards of beauty

498
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: and appeal because she's thin, she's conventionally attractive, she's blonde,

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Speaker 1: she's rich, like upper class, like, she's all these things

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Speaker 1: that fit into this like rigid mold. She's everything. But

501
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: she's cool. But you know, she can hang with the guys,

502
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: she wants a man. Yeah, just I agree with you, guys.

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00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Another way that I think that this, like this sort

504
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 1: of stock character is formed is because the guys in

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00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: the movie are portrayed as like losers, and so, like

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00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 1: a lot of movie quote unquote losers, they think that

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00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: they're entitled to women that don't want to have sex

508
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: with them. Um. And the way that this is sort

509
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: of avoided is like anytime there's a very attractive woman

510
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: in a movie who who turns out to be nice

511
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: to everyone, uh, that is very fetishized, even when it's

512
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: not logical for them to be nice, because I feel

513
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: like there's the opposite of that is like the very

514
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: hot lady who doesn't have the time of day for

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: for the losers, and she's a bit so the fact

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00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: that Mary would like deign to talk to them is like,

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00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 1: we'll stop you for decades. It's like, yeah, so there

518
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: is something about her there. That's the thing we've talked

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00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: about how she's just so I don't want to call

520
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: a woman dumb, you know, but it's she's she's written

521
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: by four men, so it's just hard not to like, yeah,

522
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: completely unobservant, does not pick up on these obvious lies

523
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: that are happening all around her throughout her life. Also,

524
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 1: we didn't this stood out to me? Why didn't she

525
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: learn her lesson about like changing in front of windows?

526
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: Three different times in the movie she dresses or undresses

527
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: in front of wide open windows. Believable. This happens in

528
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: movies all the time. Have you ever done this? I,

529
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: for one, closed my shades. I'm ter closed my blinds. Yeah. Well,

530
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,239
Speaker 1: I've got a weird neighbor across the street that was

531
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: being like always around asking me out, and I realized

532
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,959
Speaker 1: my windows were like right into his house, So I

533
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: always closed my blind Yeah. No, I always, always, always,

534
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: even when I'm like home alone, I will close my blinds.

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00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: I just know. And I don't want to sound like

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00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: we're victim blaming or anything like that, because she is

537
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: a victim of being spied on and lied to in

538
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: many of these scenes. What we're saying is that because

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00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: she's an underdeveloped female character who is written by men,

540
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: she is behaving in a way that probably no woman

541
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: would actually behave, or really any person would behave, regardless

542
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: of their gender. Yeah, those scenes are just clearly only

543
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: in the movie. Written into the movie to satisfy the

544
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: male gaze, because her behavior just makes absolutely no sense,

545
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: and it's just so wildly unrealistic. It's exhausting. It's fucking exhausting.

546
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: It is there, and there's the first time that's done

547
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: is during like the flashback sequence when they're teenagers, and

548
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: there's just like this little like shitty fairly brother's message

549
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 1: where Ted is gazing at birds and fantasizing about what

550
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: a crush he has unmarry, and then he looks up

551
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: and Mary and her mom think that he was gazing

552
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: at her, and and then he's like, no, it wasn't

553
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: like that, and they're like, oh my god. And it's

554
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: just like there's like that little message that like, guys

555
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,360
Speaker 1: aren't actually leering at you. They're looking at a bird.

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00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: You're being a bit you're overreacting, Heyted that But if

557
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 1: I had that experience at eighteen, I probably even if

558
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: if I thought the guy was staring at me, I

559
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: probably would learn my lesson from it, just like right,

560
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,520
Speaker 1: But she doesn't, but she does continues to get naked

561
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:35,919
Speaker 1: in front of her wide open windows. Something about her, Yeah,

562
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of some things about her. Here's a

563
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: couple more we already talked about the person who just

564
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: grabs a glob of goo off of someone's ear thinks

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00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,720
Speaker 1: that it's also how did it get there? And again

566
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: what the fund is that consistency? But anyway, so she

567
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: likes very sez the jizz and she's like, oh, better

568
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: run this through my hair and leave it there, and

569
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: like not look in the mirror and leave it there.

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00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: And then she's also repeatedly given information that Pat Healy

571
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: is a bad person. She like finds out he lied

572
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: about a bunch of stuff, but then he's like, oh,

573
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: I just like I do because I wanted you to

574
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: like me or blah blah blah, and then she's like, oh,

575
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you're right, and then like falls for even moralizes. She

576
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: also watches him violently pushed down a bunch of people

577
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: with disabilities while they're all playing like touch football, and

578
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: she's just like she's just like, oh, that's just what

579
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: he's like there. Okay, I mean, there's a large discussion

580
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: to be had about disability in this movie and in

581
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: The Fairly Brothers or whatever fun you say that word.

582
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: But there's there's so much and we're also like we'll

583
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: just say at the top, like we totally opened this

584
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: discussion to our listeners, and if you have any insights

585
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: or like strong opinions on this, we definitely want to

586
00:35:54,760 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: hear it, because we're sort of just reacting to it. Um.

587
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: But I felt like, because we haven't really talked about

588
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: this yet, but Mary's brother, Warren Um, has an intellectual disability.

589
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: I felt like that character's disability was there mostly to

590
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: make Mary seem nice, because she was so she was

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00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: very good to him and very empathetic to him, which

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00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: is a good thing to see on screen. But it

593
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: just it just felt like slimy and exploitative because at

594
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: the very beginning of the movie, like you said, like

595
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: like ben Stiller's character stands up for Warren when he's

596
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: being bullied, and you know, ben Stiller stands up for him,

597
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: which which is good on paper, but again, it just

598
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: feels like his intellectual disability is just being used to

599
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: show how nice the people who are not intellectually disabled are.

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00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: We don't get any I mean, we don't get any

601
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: look into his life. I feel certain that no research

602
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: was done Um, because it's just so it's I mean,

603
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: and it's just exploitative because it's just used as a

604
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: narrative shorthand to explain what the something about Mary is.

605
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: She isn't openly cruel to her intellectually disabled brother. Wow,

606
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Like it's just oh, it's so gra it is so gross.

607
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: And there's almost no disability visibility in mainstream Hollywood movies.

608
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: It's just virtually absent, which is why this is so

609
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: egregious when it is. When it is present, it's often

610
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: not handled well most of the Fairly Brothers movies because

611
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 1: like it's the joke, I mean, characters, characters with disabilities

612
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: will be played by actors who do not have those disabilities,

613
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 1: which is the case for this movie, and then we

614
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: get some really extremely cringe worthy performances because of that.

615
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: And then the characters with disabilities are often shown as

616
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: being very helpless, dependent, and competent. And then the disability,

617
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: like you said, will often be the butt of a

618
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: joke or the character will be mistreated, exploited, bullied, or

619
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Speaker 1: other in some way. So this is sort of like

620
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: what the groundwork that's been laid by mainstream Hollywood, and

621
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: that's like that's extended to the point where when Mary

622
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: is an adult, she volunteers with intellectually disabled people and

623
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: which starts out fine, and then quickly the second Matt

624
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: Dylan enters, the picture just becomes a nightmare. And it's

625
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: like they have some amount of awareness. They're like like, Okay,

626
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the word, but he calls

627
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: them our word, r word, and she says, I'm not

628
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: sure that that's really politically correct, and then he keeps

629
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: behaving like that and we move on, and so it's

630
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: like there's like this like knowledgement. It's like it's almost

631
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: worse when you're like, I know that this is wrong,

632
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: and we're doing it anyway, do you know what I mean? Like,

633
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 1: and then she like stands her ground for a brief moment,

634
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: but then like is won over by this creep and

635
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: then like later kisses him and stuff. Well that's the

636
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: end of the line, right, you let it go far enough? Yeah,

637
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: And that like the point where her character for me

638
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: completely disappeared and went from like attractive, successful woman to

639
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: be desired to that plus just completely irrational. Yeah, it's

640
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: and then Warren is the one main character with a

641
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: disability who we really get to know at all. I mean,

642
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: with with Tucker, he's faking it, so that doesn't count. Um, though,

643
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 1: and there's also also the way they portrayed that whole

644
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: scene in the office with the keys and like struggling

645
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: to get this supposed to be it's obviously supposed to

646
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 1: be funny, and it absolutely isn't, you know. It's so

647
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:43,479
Speaker 1: cringeing and horrible. So so Warren becomes like sort of

648
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: he's like the representative of all people with disabilities basically

649
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: for this movie. And then the way that that is framed,

650
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: in the way that he's treated and the things that

651
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: that character is made to do in the story, just

652
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: like it's just all so not good. It's bad. Yeah,

653
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: And then and then I guess the last thing I

654
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: have to say about the Tucker character is that he,

655
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 1: I mean not just like perpetuates the idea that you know,

656
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: he basically says he was like, oh, I was pretending

657
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: to be disabled to stay close to you. But it's

658
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: it's sending the message that disabled people are not desirable

659
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: in any way. And that is like what that's literally

660
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: what he says, and that was why he was doing that.

661
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, it's like the mental gymnastics the

662
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: writers of this movie had to do and the amount

663
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: of like prejudice they had to go in with is staggering, right, Well,

664
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: that might be This might be a good time to

665
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: talk about that scene where Matt Dylan's character is describing

666
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: to Ted what Mary is like. He's lying, but all

667
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: the things he says to make her seem unappealing our

668
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: base stically just like body shaming, slut shaming, disability shaming.

669
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: Because he's like, oh, she she weighs two and fifty

670
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: pounds because according to this movie, being fat equals being

671
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: bad and unattractive. He says that she is a mother,

672
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: which is just I guess made to be unattractive. He

673
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: says that she has has had many different partners and

674
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: has four children to three different men, which is slut shaming.

675
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 1: She uses a wheelchair, just just shaming with disabilities again,

676
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 1: that she lives in a housing project, which is code

677
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: for that she is low income, and then that's also

678
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: bad there. It's it really is the what's what things

679
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: to be shamed. And then later he's like, oh, she's

680
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: going to Japan to be a male order bride, and

681
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: then Ted says, what are they desperate? She's a whale.

682
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: So he has to then get in on this horrible

683
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: behavior and then the way that that is like the

684
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: next and then it's like, you know, ted is you know,

685
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: leaves that an interaction being like, oh man, oh I

686
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: thought I wanted her to be the way I wanted

687
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: her to be. And then he later decides, you know what,

688
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 1: in spite of all that, I'm such a good guy

689
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: that I want to see her anyways. And that's one

690
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: of the many ways that this movie is like he's

691
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: actually really nice, and when you're just like, no, he's

692
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: fucking right terrible, He's awful, Like that's the best they

693
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: can do to paint a nice guy. Hired a private

694
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: investigator to find somebody hasn't talked to him in thirteen

695
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 1: or fifteen years, however long it's been, right, what is

696
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: wrong with him that he is still in love with

697
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 1: a girl that he knew thirteen years ago, who he

698
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: barely knew then. I curious none of us will be

699
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: able to answer this. But like we said, this is

700
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: pre Facebook problems, But like, was this charming them? Like

701
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: the idea of someone needing to look you up out

702
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: of the blue and hire someone to try keep down

703
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: even though she's gone anonymous because she had a stalker

704
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: so she didn't want to be found? But is that charming?

705
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: I think that at this time it was still like

706
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: a viable movie tool, Like there's so much like stocky,

707
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: romantic stocky, but this one is, like, I mean, this

708
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: one is like insane. I just wonder if any woman,

709
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: if none of the other bad stuff had happened, if

710
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: Healy hadn't gone rogue and all this stuff, if if

711
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: that seems like a romantic gesture two people in the nineties.

712
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: We don't have that answer, but I just kept asking

713
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 1: myself that I guess. I mean, we were also fucked

714
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: up in the nine Like, I mean, this is just

715
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: such a stalker narrative. And it's also confusing because Ben

716
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: Steller's character Ted will acknowledge that a lot of the

717
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: stuff that people are suggesting to him, like hiring a

718
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: private investigator and stuff like that, is creepy and stalkers.

719
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: He says that, but then he goes through with it

720
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: every time. I think, yeah, but it seems like the

721
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: Fairly Brothers just like, well, if he acknowledged that it

722
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: was weird, but they not makes it okay exactly Like

723
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: he's not. He doesn't think like that. He just doesn't

724
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: think why is he pining after a woman who he

725
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: hasn't seen in their teen years and barely new in

726
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: the first place. I mean, that is very weird. It

727
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: is we got to take another quick break. Let's we

728
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: do need a break. We've learned it, We're back, okay,

729
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: let's I'm ready to get into the homophobic movie. Why

730
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: not Mary herself? I mean, there's like the excited scene.

731
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: But once Mary and Ted started hanging out, Mary herself

732
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 1: makes like a bad homophobic joke. She jokes about being

733
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: bisexual m to Ted, who is like, oh, well, I

734
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 1: guess I could be okay, and then she's like, I'm

735
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 1: just fucking with you, And so that is just like

736
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,799
Speaker 1: what was that ever? Funny? Like uh uh gros so

737
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: edgy guys, it's so edgy that they are making these jokes.

738
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: Peter Farrelly is like on the other side of the

739
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: camera with his literal dick out, like you're just like,

740
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: do we need more calm? Because you gotta more disgusting

741
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: viscus calm. You gotta jerk off before a date because like,

742
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: if you like go on a date with your balls

743
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 1: full of calm, it's like going out there with a

744
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 1: loaded gun. And the reason right, And the reason that like,

745
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 1: you feel better after you come is because after you've come,

746
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 1: your jus everywhere it makes you think like a girl,

747
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: and girls like that hate it. I'm paraphrasing, but honestly,

748
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: I just like wrote down for them, like not even

749
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: going to try to unpack that, Like, I don't know

750
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:06,479
Speaker 1: what the funk that's supposed to mean. I don't want

751
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:10,239
Speaker 1: to know. I don't care. I just I just I

752
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: do like wish unhappiness and lack of success on the

753
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 1: Farely Brothers. Um, someone steals that Oscar, it won't affect him,

754
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: Let's do it, put it on this podcast. We're implicated now, Um, okay, yes,

755
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: So there's that horrible joke that Mary makes, um, you know,

756
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 1: turning bisexuality into the butt of a joke. Um, there's

757
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: the whole thing that we already talked about where the

758
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: joke is set up in Ted's therapist office, where the

759
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: therapists like, oh, you go to rest stops. You know

760
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:47,440
Speaker 1: that those are homosexual hangouts there the bathhouses of the

761
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: nineties for many many gay men, is what he says.

762
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: And then oh, a few scenes later, Chris Elliott's character

763
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: is talking to Ben Stiller and he's like, well, you know,

764
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: you are a writer and writer artists, and most artists

765
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: are a little fufie. That's fuf fufie what. And then

766
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 1: this all pays off whenever Ted pulls over to pe

767
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 1: at a rest area and then stumbles upon what's essentially

768
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: a huge orgy of gay men having sex in like

769
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: the shrubs, the shrubbery. And then that scene concludes with

770
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 1: the reveal that Chris Elliott is watching cops and receiving

771
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: oral sex from his wife. We had to talk about

772
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 1: his wife character. To talk about his wife character character

773
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: made me so angry and all the women, Okay, so

774
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: Mary is this, Yeah, you're perfect on paper, gal, gorgeous,

775
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 1: but also one of the guys. Chris Elliot's wife. We

776
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: first meet her serving them beers, going inside they want

777
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: cook cookies, giving him a blow job, and I was

778
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: I think I was just saying this to you were

779
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: like at first when I'm watching it, I was very

780
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: angry and I was like, hold on, maybe there's gonna

781
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: be some sort of payoff where she leaves him. Nope,

782
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 1: nothing never addressed that, just one and he's actively trying

783
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: to cheat on her, like just horrible. And then he

784
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,799
Speaker 1: so in the blow jobs saying, she comes up into

785
00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: frame and she's like, see, I knew Ted was gay,

786
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 1: and then he shoves her head back down and I

787
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: was just like, oh, my fucking god. Also, there's zero

788
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: self awareness of what that represents, obviously, because even in

789
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: that first scene when we meet her and she's serving

790
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: the beers and cookies and stuff, and Chris Elliott's character

791
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 1: what's his name at that point was like, yeah, this

792
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: is the life, and Ben Stiller's like, yeah, that's what

793
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: I want. I want to you want that, you want

794
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: to domesticated servant basically who is a baby factory, because

795
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: that is how his wife is presented in this movie. Horrifying.

796
00:48:56,280 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 1: It's really, it's really not good. Yeah, and she only

797
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: shows up three times before we find out that Chris

798
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:09,600
Speaker 1: Elliot's character is stalking Mary also, which I think is

799
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: a fun segue into the stalking motif. Yes, one last

800
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 1: quick moment of homophobia where so Ted is arrested and

801
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,320
Speaker 1: then as he's being let out of jail, there's like

802
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: this big guy on the prison cell bed like he's

803
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: like spooning him, and that's also like played as like

804
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 1: a oh, how gross that poor little Ted has to

805
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: have a man wrapped around him. Yeah, yeah, and that

806
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: like people and I mean the homophobic stereotypes around prisoners

807
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: and just it's none of it's good. Also, that has

808
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: literally no place in the movie at all. Why is

809
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: the whole thing? Also, if they needed to have Dom's

810
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: character there, like he could have just gone on the

811
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: road trip with that, you know what I mean, Like

812
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: this whole thing didn't need to happen, and again would

813
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: have made the movie much shorter and more pleasant. It's

814
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: so long. I don't know if anything will make this

815
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:10,240
Speaker 1: movie pleasant. Really, it all goes um the stalking narratives.

816
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: I think by the end there's how many four or

817
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 1: five men who have been stalking deceiving line to her

818
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: is well, we don't know if Brett Farve has been

819
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: stalking her or not, so I think it's four. She's

820
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: got to be have some real damage here. I mean,

821
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: it implies it that one of the things that I

822
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh, that's so like it's just I mean,

823
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: it's all very fucking bizarre. But she it does sound

824
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: like she like says she's been traumatized by it. She

825
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: like changes her name and like on lists from herself

826
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: from like the phone books and stuff. So when and

827
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: this is again like GE's packed with a rationality because

828
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: when Ted goes to see her, he has driven the

829
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: coast to go and see her in Miami, and then

830
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: he's just like, hey, so I'm here, what's up? And

831
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: she is explaining like she is anxious about hanging out

832
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 1: with him because she had she she doesn't give the details,

833
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: but she was like, something happened in college. I was stalked.

834
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: It was really bad. I had to change my name

835
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: and move and so I'm just not comfortable doing stuff

836
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: like that. Um. The irrational part I felt like was like,

837
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: why is she not concerned about why he's here and

838
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: has found her already? But I mean, she says that

839
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,320
Speaker 1: she has been traumatized by this, and then it happens

840
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 1: to her four times at once. It's just so like

841
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: and that scene where they're all there, so okay, they

842
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: all they will he's there and they come running to

843
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: her rescue, and then Ben Stiller shows up Ted with

844
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: Brett Farve and there's this whole scene and he's just like,

845
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: here's the guy for you, and I know that that

846
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: she ultimately doesn't, but she's not overwhelmed by this or

847
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: her reaction to all of these men being there is

848
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:04,439
Speaker 1: so like blase and like her female roommate is there

849
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 1: and also doesn't really react to the fact that this

850
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: has happening, Like it's all like she's just like, oh

851
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 1: my god, this is so crazy. I don't know. And

852
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: it's like we're supposed to think what's going through her

853
00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: head during that is like who do I pick? And

854
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: not like I should call the police. Also, one more stalker,

855
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: the guy that that mag does sucking. Oh yes, I

856
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 1: was to get closer to Mary Dad. It's it's so horrible.

857
00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: And so the whole like long play of this movie

858
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: is that Chris Elliott was woogie the whole time, and

859
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: that he's been obsessed with Mary for many years. He

860
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: breaks out into hives when he which is very which

861
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: is another like there's something about implication of like what

862
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: she is and who she is. She's so awesome that

863
00:52:57,239 --> 00:53:01,240
Speaker 1: she'll give you an allergic reaction and it's her fault

864
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 1: that he has this skin condition whatever, but like and

865
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: and you know, like she rightfully rejects him. It's kind

866
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: of framed that she's going to reject him, which we

867
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: get unpacked, but I don't really want to. And then

868
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: and and because the point is this character is breaking

869
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: the law by being in this apartment because she has

870
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: a restraining order against him and it's for every time

871
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: it comes up. He's like, oh, well whatever, and like

872
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: that that's how it's brought up. And then at the

873
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: end when she rejects him, it looks like, you know,

874
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: there's that whole thing where like, oh, she doesn't know

875
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: who to pick, and then they tell her who to pick.

876
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: They're like, actually, Brett far so she doesn't. She doesn't.

877
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: It almost ends with her not getting to choose. So

878
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: they tell her her to choose and she's kind of

879
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 1: like okay, and then christly it pops back up and

880
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: then he's like, Brett, could you sign this, like pump

881
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: this shoe for the wife and kids? And then uh,

882
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: Mary says what and then he says, oh, shut up

883
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: cock tease and like ha ha ha is breaking the law.

884
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: And so get her response to I would imagine she

885
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: would have some sort of like maybe post traumatic stress,

886
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 1: you know, the triggering of this trauma. Yeah, but instead

887
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: she's just like weird crazy. She's definitely not you is

888
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: my new boyfriend? Like she changed your name and left

889
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 1: the state, and she does go out, so yes, you're right,

890
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: like there it almost ends without her having any agency.

891
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 1: And then she comes running out after him to give

892
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: and makes the worst to get to give him his keys,

893
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: and then ends up. I'd be happiest with you. You

894
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 1: don't have to choose any of these men. She shouldn't

895
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 1: to choose. They should all be in jail. And there's another,

896
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:53,480
Speaker 1: I mean, yet another infuriating moment where the movie is

897
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: trying to humanize Ted is at the end of that

898
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: scene when they told Mary who were new boy for

899
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: end is Brett farve. Ted makes this big speech and he,

900
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: you know, he says, like, I'm no better than these guys.

901
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 1: They don't love you. They're just fixated on you because

902
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: of how you make them feel about themselves. True. That's

903
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,320
Speaker 1: not love, that's I don't know what that is. True.

904
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: So there is like this moment where he says the

905
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,400
Speaker 1: first true thing we've heard in the whole movie, and

906
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 1: then he leaves, which you know, could have been a

907
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: choice the movie could have made that might have made sense.

908
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: Mary could have called the cops and then she could

909
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: have moved on with her life. Or something like that

910
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: if Mary had some agency, he realizes this was very wrong.

911
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm lucky. I'm not enjoying to prison, like, let me

912
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: never do this again. But that's not what happens. Instead,

913
00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 1: like by being self aware for one second, he is

914
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: rewarded with the trophy of Mary because he's the only

915
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:03,439
Speaker 1: one who just waid a dialogue line worth of self

916
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: awareness that said that he shouldn't be with her because

917
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: he's been stalking her. And then then and then it's

918
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: just it was my read. Also because right before he leaves,

919
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: he pulls Warren's like headphones away from his ear and

920
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: then she is like, oh, that must mean that Warren

921
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: trusts him. That's my signal that Ted is the best

922
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:32,160
Speaker 1: guy after all, which like another exploitation exactly, very exploitive,

923
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: and then another like I don't think we see like

924
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 1: Ted earning Warren's trust, like why would he? And like

925
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,720
Speaker 1: even if that were the case, like he doesn't deserve

926
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: anybody's trust because again, he hired someone to stalk her

927
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: and then he started stalking herself, right, so like like

928
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,959
Speaker 1: she has no agency. I think Mary is the most

929
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: passive female main character in a move possibly ever, like

930
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: she everything happens to her. She doesn't make any active

931
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: choices on her own. I would say the only thing

932
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: she does is maybe ask him to prom like that's

933
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: the one act of choice she makes. But like other

934
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: than that, she does nothing. It's everything, all these like

935
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: creepy things happening to her, I just not doing anything.

936
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: It's so this is a stressful episode. Yeah, I mean,

937
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's my first one, but my heart

938
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 1: has been like a little bit in my high and

939
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 1: usually we usually have more fun. I mean, there's just

940
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 1: so much with this movie too, that it's like I

941
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,480
Speaker 1: I spent the whole time angry, and I couldn't watch

942
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: it in one setting. I started watching it and I

943
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: got halfway through and it was like, there's an hour left.

944
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:52,280
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't finish this right now. Like I

945
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 1: got a hat, I got a headache in the middle

946
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 1: of the movie, and yeah, I had to watch it

947
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: in two parts. It's just it's it's just like it's

948
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: really wholesive. There's not one redeemable thing about the except

949
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: for Jonathan Richmond. I guess I made a list of

950
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: three things that I didn't absolutely hate. Would you like

951
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: to hear them? Yes, okay. I do like that Mary

952
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: is the one to ask Ted to prom because I

953
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 1: always appreciate seeing a woman taking initiative in like a

954
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: romantic situation, because straight women are conditioned to be passive

955
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: and weight around for men to ask them out. But

956
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: she only did that because her brother was taken advantage

957
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: of by the plot. Right, good point, and so maybe

958
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: not so good after all. The second thing is that

959
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: Mary's stepdad, who we meet in one scene, is a

960
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: black guy, and there are no weird jokes made about that.

961
00:58:46,600 --> 00:58:49,479
Speaker 1: Apparently is the joke. There's that moment at the front

962
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: door where like a black man answers the door, and

963
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: just like, I must not be in the right place,

964
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: because could a black man be in this house of

965
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: white people? So yep, never mind strike it from the record.

966
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: He hit us with one more let's see, let's im down.

967
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:09,280
Speaker 1: This also won't not good, um, I said. At least

968
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: Ted doesn't lie whenever she asks if he hired Pat

969
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: Healey to spy on her. He lies for a second

970
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: and then he comes clean right away. I feel like

971
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 1: a lot of movies would have had him lie for

972
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: a pretty extended amount of time, but he instead says yeah,

973
00:59:25,440 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: I did do that, but he just lies about other things.

974
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: He didn't have to. He could have come clean immediately,

975
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 1: just said, oh my god. Here's the thing about heally,

976
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 1: I thought about you this whole time, and I hired him,

977
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 1: and now he fell in love with you, and I'm

978
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 1: really sorry. You know what I mean, Does he say that?

979
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: I think he does. I mean when the first time

980
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 1: he sees her. I just I hate when movies like

981
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: present you with a group of men and then the

982
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: female character is, by the movie forced to choose the

983
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: one who is the least awful, even though they're still off,

984
01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: because a lot of the men in this movie are

985
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: like cartoonishly bad, like I think Chris Elliott and Matt Dylan,

986
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: even though their behavior has happened, but they're the way

987
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: they like, it's very cartoony, the way that their characters act,

988
01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: and like they're breaking out in hives and they're shoving

989
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:20,880
Speaker 1: people and they're doing all this like very physically goofy stuff.

990
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: And so ben Stiller's presented as the least bad of him,

991
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: which is true, but like he's still not a good

992
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: from the movies own admission. The only reason she broke

993
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,760
Speaker 1: up with him, is because Tucker had poisoned it and

994
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:42,320
Speaker 1: said a lie. So actually he was. Maybe Brett is

995
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,600
Speaker 1: the best of them. I think he is. And he didn't,

996
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: as far as we know, didn't didn't try to convince her,

997
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,120
Speaker 1: let her go when she broke up with this, truly

998
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,680
Speaker 1: accepted her decision and then but still loved her and

999
01:00:53,720 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 1: showed up even though this is a crazy story. And uh,

1000
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: why did he show up? Why did he show up?

1001
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: Because Ben Stiller somehow got him on the phone. You know,

1002
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: I just called on the horn. I don't know. Expectedly,

1003
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 1: I like to bring up Rodery Ebert, my enemy. Yeah,

1004
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:15,960
Speaker 1: because he can't clap back at me because he's dead.

1005
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: He gave this movie three out of four stars, saying

1006
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,080
Speaker 1: what a blessed relief is laughter. It flies in the

1007
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 1: face of manners, values, political correctness, and decorum. It exposes

1008
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: us for what we are. The only animal with a

1009
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 1: sense of humor, First of all, I have met a

1010
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: lot of animals with sense of humor, so secondly horrifying.

1011
01:01:42,200 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: Just like to remind everyone that got broughten tomatoes. Oh yeah, people,

1012
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:51,720
Speaker 1: I mean, which, which goes back to our discussion of

1013
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: like why people who are not just like straight white

1014
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: dude should review movies, because then you know, this movie

1015
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: had a twenty three million dollar budget, made three hundred

1016
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars the box office. It was it was

1017
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,120
Speaker 1: hugely successful. And this movie was made off of the

1018
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,680
Speaker 1: success of Dumb and Dumber, which I don't even want

1019
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:17,880
Speaker 1: to think about. I'm sure I'll do an episode on

1020
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 1: it one day that now I'll cancel the show. I refused.

1021
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: They made a sequel like a couple of years ago,

1022
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: and people I have to rewatch it just because I'll

1023
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 1: do an episode by myself. I'm going to watch it, Okay, Okay,

1024
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 1: we'll be my guest co host. I just I'm putting

1025
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:43,440
Speaker 1: a kabash on Farrely Brothers movies. God, well, there's a

1026
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 1: few more horrible things to talk about, shall we u

1027
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: ages M definitely get it all. Magda so she is

1028
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 1: Mary's neighbor. They don't technically live together, but she's constantly

1029
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 1: over at Mary's place because because she's old, she's made

1030
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: to seem lonely and pathetic. Essentially, that's how this movie

1031
01:03:04,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: feels about people who are older. Well, there's like that

1032
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: huge visual gag made at her expense with the male gaze.

1033
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: There are so many shots of like Matt ma g

1034
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 1: Another windows shot, Matt Dilan is trying to lear it

1035
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:25,320
Speaker 1: Mary with binoculars because he's a great detective and he's

1036
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: sitting literally outside her house with binoculars, very subtle, and

1037
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 1: he's trying to look at it like Kanu Reeves and

1038
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: point break when he's just constantly like Tim and undercover

1039
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 1: FBI agent. Let me, I mean, I mean, I know

1040
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm in broad daylight, but let me just get out

1041
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: my binoculars and look around anyway, go on. I love him. So, yeah,

1042
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 1: Matt Dilan is trying to lear it Mary with his binoculars,

1043
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: but he misfires because he's stupid, and he accidentally looks

1044
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: in Magda's window and there's clearly prosthetic piece of costuming

1045
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:06,720
Speaker 1: that is meant to be like an older woman's body,

1046
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: and it's he goes, it's made to seem very grotastic. Yeah, yeah,

1047
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:15,480
Speaker 1: it's made it out to be this fucking body horror scene. Um,

1048
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 1: that is very bad. Yeah, and Magda, so we've got

1049
01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,920
Speaker 1: the Mary, We've got the wife that the wife that

1050
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,160
Speaker 1: just goes down on him, give some cookies and then

1051
01:04:29,360 --> 01:04:36,400
Speaker 1: Magda is this eavesdropp e caddy like gossippy wears all pink,

1052
01:04:36,960 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 1: obsessed with tanning, obsessed with like kind of a cougar,

1053
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: obsessed with men. And that's it. That's all she is.

1054
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,160
Speaker 1: That's all we know about her. These are the women,

1055
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 1: these are these characters we have this movie. Also she made,

1056
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: she's written. She's given a line of dialogue that she

1057
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: says about herself, which is agist. Also where she says,

1058
01:04:56,880 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: the last time I had a pap smear, the guy

1059
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: needed leather gloves and an oyster shucker. So like they

1060
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 1: wrote her to make fun of herself for her age.

1061
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, well, let's give it to them. At least

1062
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:12,640
Speaker 1: they understand female anatomy. These male writers, they did their

1063
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: remarch of what Happens and is an oyster and you

1064
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: need an oyster shucker to get it open. And it's

1065
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: funny because it's like, I know that we kind of

1066
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: get like uncomfortable talking about the female characters in this

1067
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: way because we don't want to be disrespectful, but it's

1068
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 1: like with stuff like that, it's like, I mean, we

1069
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: kind of just have to say it because their fictional

1070
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: women written by four straight white dudes and so they're

1071
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,600
Speaker 1: just they just are so not real. Yeah. And and Magna.

1072
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:47,200
Speaker 1: I think it's an especially raw deal um in this movie. Yeah,

1073
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: because there's there's no other older women, like it's it's

1074
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 1: not like there's several older women characters, and one is

1075
01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: I mean one is insultingly pictured and there's different types.

1076
01:05:57,760 --> 01:06:03,600
Speaker 1: She represents every woman over thirty, right like she's it's

1077
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: just it's bad. Yeah. Can we talk about Mary's three

1078
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,200
Speaker 1: friends who you see and I think two different scenes.

1079
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,360
Speaker 1: One of them is Sarah Silverman, sure, Uh, you know,

1080
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: as a comic. I I like her. Hers has engaged

1081
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 1: in her fair share of problematic ship is her she

1082
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 1: was very young? Uh that I haven't have to imagine

1083
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: this is at least one of your first big break

1084
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: type situation things. Yeah. I mean it's hard to hold

1085
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,920
Speaker 1: the female actors because it's like what else is available

1086
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,680
Speaker 1: to them? If I was back then young, I would

1087
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:47,680
Speaker 1: have done the movie. And there's also Candy Alexander plays

1088
01:06:47,720 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: one of the friends. And are they even named. I

1089
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 1: don't know if we even know they're they're named in

1090
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,160
Speaker 1: the credits. I don't remember if they're named in that.

1091
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 1: I see Brenda and Joanie Sarah Silverman and Candy Alexander,

1092
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 1: and then there's a third woman there too, but I

1093
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: super don't know. They're all very interchangeable. Yeah, one of

1094
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,240
Speaker 1: them is the one woman of color in the entire movie,

1095
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: basically just Mary's token black friend who we see in

1096
01:07:15,800 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: the not eating salad and we don't know anything. They

1097
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: all get immediately. I mean, so they're that whole scene

1098
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: where they're now Eve's dropping on Matt Dylan's character. Everyone's

1099
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 1: just constantly has some system some things watch and can

1100
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: hear what he's saying, but he knows, so he's planting

1101
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: all this information and they immediately are like swooning over

1102
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: him too, even though what he's saying is ridiculous. It

1103
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 1: makes no sense. It's absolutely absurd, and but they're immediately

1104
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 1: like and like wanting to get a glimpse of this

1105
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: hot new guy. It makes no sense because all the

1106
01:07:56,480 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: women in this movie are written to be dumb ass, right, Like,

1107
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,760
Speaker 1: who are obsessed with gross dude? They're God, Yeah, every

1108
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: everything about that character is just like coded to be ages.

1109
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: Like I think that even like the inclusion of like

1110
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: she loves her dog too much, Like there's like implications

1111
01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: that she's too close with her pet because and I

1112
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:21,680
Speaker 1: feel like the subtypes of that is because she's an

1113
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 1: older woman who's single, so she's got a French her dog.

1114
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,519
Speaker 1: Like they're just like, she's not a crazy cat lady.

1115
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: We're going to update this and give her a dog, right,

1116
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: one last little quick thing. And we touched on this

1117
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,559
Speaker 1: a little bit already, but they're just the excessive use

1118
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:44,960
Speaker 1: of male gaze style cinematography where Mary is framed in

1119
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: three different scenes in the movie as being like the

1120
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 1: object of very voyeuristic male gays. The first one is

1121
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: Ted accidentally looking in on her through the window and

1122
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 1: that's when he zips his pep into that. Also, how

1123
01:08:58,479 --> 01:09:00,759
Speaker 1: did that even work? There are a cross, their windows

1124
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: are across from each other. Do they do they have

1125
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: a courtyard in their house? I was thinking that does not.

1126
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,880
Speaker 1: I mean they are shown to live in a big house.

1127
01:09:11,960 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: They seem to be very upper middle class, but it

1128
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 1: didn't look like a U shaped house, so like, I

1129
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: didn't even think of that. The blueprint of this home. Yeah,

1130
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,919
Speaker 1: it must be like a horseshoe house or some Hogwarts

1131
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: situation where things are shifting. I don't know what if

1132
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,960
Speaker 1: Mary is a wizard. Now, that would really be something,

1133
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean and literally that would be some at least

1134
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 1: something that's the something very It's not you're a wizard, Harry,

1135
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 1: it's you're a wizard, Mary. We are breaking this to

1136
01:09:47,080 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: the case. There's a yeah that the way that the

1137
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:54,599
Speaker 1: camera like lears on women in this movie is gross.

1138
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 1: And there's also I think, just like another Fairly Brothers

1139
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: fixation on severe emasculation and the trauma of severe emasculation,

1140
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: because that, like, the two moments that people remember from

1141
01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: this movie are moments when Ben Stiller's you know, the

1142
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: good guy of the movie is emasculated at it. Like,

1143
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,880
Speaker 1: you know, we're led to believe at the beginning when

1144
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: he zips his dick into his pants, that that affects

1145
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:25,479
Speaker 1: the rest of his life. So why do they just

1146
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: cut the goddamn pants off, Like just cut around the zipper,

1147
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like that could have been

1148
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: a start anyway. And the thing that like, the thing

1149
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: that sucks is like I mean, exploring the topic of

1150
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: emasculation and how that affects men down the line of

1151
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 1: their life. Sure, that's a topic worth exploring, but are

1152
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 1: these the men to do it? No? No, no, no

1153
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 1: for the male gay is the same. Like you say,

1154
01:10:50,800 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to like be bashing female characters, but

1155
01:10:53,200 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: also these are female characters written by men. Mary never

1156
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: wears a bra and her nipples are always really hard,

1157
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't care, good girl, live your

1158
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: best life, but those men put her in that outfit.

1159
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 1: She's not doing it to be empowered. She's doing it

1160
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: to satisfy the male gaze. Yes, it upset me. That's

1161
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: the list. That's another very like nineties trophy thing. I mean,

1162
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,360
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't watch Friends. I was like too

1163
01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: young to watch Friends for most of the time I

1164
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,879
Speaker 1: was airing, but I do know that Jennifer Aniston's nipples

1165
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: were very so present and that and I knew that

1166
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:33,680
Speaker 1: and I hadn't even seen the show before, Like that

1167
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: was a selling point. She had a haircut and she

1168
01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: had nipples exactly, That's what we knew about Rachel was

1169
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: who she was, and like it's just yeah, the the

1170
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 1: or wonderful producer Sophie also pointed out, like what a

1171
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: shitty poster and marketing there is for this movie where

1172
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:54,800
Speaker 1: it's just a very classically like she's you know, it's

1173
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz is on the poster. She's wearing, uh, like

1174
01:11:58,000 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 1: a tiny dress that we don't even see her in

1175
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 1: the movie, and there's in some versions of the poster

1176
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,560
Speaker 1: there's the dog in a full body cast next to her, like,

1177
01:12:05,720 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: you're just disgusting, it's horrible. Yeah, she's like leaning over

1178
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: to give full shot of her of her cleavage. Yeah,

1179
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: it's it's unnecessary. Uh. There's one line that Tucker says

1180
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 1: when he comes into he's always just showing up places too.

1181
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 1: He shows up to everyone's just showing up and no

1182
01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:29,719
Speaker 1: one questions it anyway, because stalking is not a crime.

1183
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: In this movie, Tucker brings Magda a bottle of like

1184
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: Scotch or something like that, and he says She's like, oh,

1185
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: you're so sweet, and he says, no, I just want

1186
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: to get you drunk so you'll pass out and I

1187
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 1: can give Mary a good roger ing. First of all,

1188
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:55,400
Speaker 1: he gross slang every right, every attempt at a joke

1189
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 1: in this movie. I don't even know how it was funny,

1190
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,960
Speaker 1: And that's what I keep coming back to, And I

1191
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: guess it was because people three seventy million dollars um

1192
01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: just like, oh my god, I think that people that

1193
01:13:11,600 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 1: think that this movie is funny, I haven't watched it

1194
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: in a long time. That must be the case. I'm

1195
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,200
Speaker 1: very excited now that like the thirty year cycle is

1196
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: coming around for nineties nostalgia. I think we will all

1197
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: get to realize that it was actually not as great

1198
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:31,040
Speaker 1: as everyone ever good never good. Yeah, I mean, at

1199
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: least it means eighties nostalgia will end. I'm very dumb

1200
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,320
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, we're ready to be on with it now.

1201
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: We've got to move into like the early odds, and god,

1202
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: that's maybe the darkest time of all the nostalgic about now. No,

1203
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 1: oh god, we're gonna have to think. I mean, I

1204
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: think the world will be over but thirty years from now,

1205
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 1: so we don't even have to worry about the nostalgica.

1206
01:13:52,720 --> 01:13:58,680
Speaker 1: There are correct Um, so we know that this is

1207
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:02,120
Speaker 1: the worst movie of all time. But twist, does it

1208
01:14:02,200 --> 01:14:08,479
Speaker 1: pass the Bechdel test? Well, folks, I had it passed

1209
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:14,240
Speaker 1: in the bag. Really yeah, let me. There is an

1210
01:14:14,360 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: exchange with Mary and Magda when we first see them

1211
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:22,200
Speaker 1: together where they talk about the neighbor and they talked

1212
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: about neighborhood Watch, but she's talking about and they talked

1213
01:14:25,160 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: about tanning. They talked about tanning. She the neighborhood watched.

1214
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,240
Speaker 1: Conversation evolves into a conversation about a man cheating on

1215
01:14:33,400 --> 01:14:35,320
Speaker 1: his wife. So she does start talking about a man.

1216
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,639
Speaker 1: Conversation doesn't pass, but there are there. There's some snippets. Okay,

1217
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:44,360
Speaker 1: there's parts of that conversation that incredibly against all lies

1218
01:14:45,760 --> 01:14:49,000
Speaker 1: pass because women interact more than I thought they would

1219
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: in a movie like this. I'm surprised even is there,

1220
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:55,160
Speaker 1: and that she's given friends, but they only ever talk

1221
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 1: about Ted or Pat Healy and the hot dogs, or

1222
01:15:00,439 --> 01:15:03,600
Speaker 1: only men and phallic items. It is. It is a

1223
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 1: slight pass, and it's just another example needs one conversation standards.

1224
01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: That's a low standard. I mean, we they're they're very

1225
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 1: There are various renditions of the Bactel tests. We use

1226
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: one where it just has to be a two line

1227
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 1: exchange that passes. But not even all versions of the

1228
01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:25,360
Speaker 1: Betel tests required that a woman be named, So there's

1229
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: a lot of it's we're just scraping by on this one.

1230
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,960
Speaker 1: It is a barely pass. And you know, as we

1231
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: said it before, we say it again, it wasn't designed

1232
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:40,200
Speaker 1: as a media test. Originally it was an iconic queer

1233
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:44,599
Speaker 1: comic by Alison Bechdel. It's not a perfect metric. It's

1234
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:46,519
Speaker 1: just something to start with. You know what is a

1235
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:50,600
Speaker 1: perfect metric? Our nipples scale. Yes, now let's move on

1236
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: to the perfect metric, right, so we assign zero to

1237
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: five nipples based on its representation of women. This gets

1238
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 1: as your zero nipples from the zero nipples for sure. Yeah,

1239
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: there's no I'm gonna I'm giving it negative to can

1240
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: I give it like a belly button if you want?

1241
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:16,160
Speaker 1: It's like, I haven't any belly button, Brad, I whatever.

1242
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: I was trying something zero nipples zero doing it negative too,

1243
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:28,400
Speaker 1: and I'm throwing them at Ben Still are stupid? Ahead? God, Yeah,

1244
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:33,080
Speaker 1: everything about this movie is mishandled. I would hope that

1245
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 1: because I don't know. I mean, I haven't heard anyone

1246
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:40,200
Speaker 1: and maybe maybe your experience is different, but I haven't

1247
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 1: heard anyone like defend this movie. And I don't think

1248
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: people are even like watch watching it anymore. I would hope,

1249
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,200
Speaker 1: and I feel like people remember, like, oh I laughed

1250
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 1: at the dick scene in and it's on. But the

1251
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,680
Speaker 1: problem is it is on like the a F I

1252
01:16:56,880 --> 01:17:01,439
Speaker 1: Best comedy that's a hundred years hundred laughs. That needs

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Speaker 1: to change. Someone should update that. Can someone please revise

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Speaker 1: that list? Is what I'm asking. Yeah, I don't watch

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01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:11,160
Speaker 1: this movie and it's not it's it's genuinely hard to watch.

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01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:13,439
Speaker 1: Don't pay for the rental on Amazon or wherever you

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01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,920
Speaker 1: watch things. Don't do it. Don't give any indication that

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01:17:15,960 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 1: you're interested in this movie. Don't even listen to this. Honestly,

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01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:22,560
Speaker 1: why did we do this? I'd like to hear what

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01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: they have to say about it now they at people involved,

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01:17:25,479 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: I'd like to hear. I bet they defend their choices

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01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:31,280
Speaker 1: for some stupid reason. Probably that really says I'm so

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 1: sorry with my times. Like Ben Stiller, who's done, you know,

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01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,960
Speaker 1: like I'd be interested to hear what he has to say.

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01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,920
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz would be interested. Karen Diaz, she's I mean,

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Speaker 1: she's retired now she's Oh did she retired? Yeah, she

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01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: like publicly retired a couple of years ago. I think

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01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: maybe she's just she's just like I've I'm I'm done. Well,

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01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: she's always gets the same kind of parts, like the

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,840
Speaker 1: same character, which sucks because what she looks the way

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01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,680
Speaker 1: she does, and you know, there's one part that she

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01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:05,040
Speaker 1: can play reinforcing beauty standards are like like that hurt

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01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:08,439
Speaker 1: literally everyone clearly because it's just like, yeah, I mean,

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 1: she doesn't have the worst problem out of everyone, but

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, no one ever really took her

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01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: seriously because she was never given a substantial part, so

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01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: we don't even know if she's a good actor. Really,

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01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 1: he never got the chance. Yeah, except to actually Shrek.

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01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 1: She has well in Shrek Shruk to Shruck three, Shruck four. Really,

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Speaker 1: I mean she hasn't really doing her best. So zero

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Speaker 1: nipples across the board. Uh, Katie, thank you so much,

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Speaker 1: even if it was st I have to go and

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01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:46,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, drink a shot, eat a corn dog,

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 1: and have a beer, a real beer, not some pussy

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01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:52,880
Speaker 1: light here. I need to go be not like the

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Speaker 1: other girls. I'm simply I'm simply not like them. And

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Speaker 1: you know what they're saying this for years, not like

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:04,559
Speaker 1: there is something about Jamie there and thank you, there's

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01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: something about you. There's something about Katie. There's Katie. There's

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01:19:08,240 --> 01:19:12,840
Speaker 1: definitely something about Caitlin. I definitely think so, but you know,

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01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: sound off in the comments, because what is it about

1292
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 1: these women tell us the things that are something about us.

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01:19:21,040 --> 01:19:24,120
Speaker 1: I like to think that I've been responsible for a

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:28,439
Speaker 1: man breaking out in hives. I'd love to have that power.

1295
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,960
Speaker 1: But I think that that is the one power attributed

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01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:35,640
Speaker 1: to Mary. That is pretty cool. I mean, I've to

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01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: make a perfect breakout in hives across state lines a gift.

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Speaker 1: I've the far reach a wizard. I mean, she there,

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01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: she's a wizard. I've had men lie to me, but

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01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:50,360
Speaker 1: not because they were obsessed with me, because they didn't

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01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:56,240
Speaker 1: like me. So that's my cross, that's my cross to bear.

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01:19:56,720 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: It's we've all that's like par for the course out

1303
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: not to diminish your pain. I'm just saying they're solid.

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01:20:03,800 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm breaking out. Yeah, Yeah, I've been covered in hives

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01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:10,599
Speaker 1: this whole time. Oh, I didn't want to say anything.

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01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: That's the something about me, and I appreciate you for

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01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 1: not saying it. I'm covered into are you? Woogie? Have

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01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 1: you been woogie? This whole freaky you? Dare you? I'm

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01:20:21,800 --> 01:20:23,880
Speaker 1: a fan. I'm a Chris Elliott. I'm a fan of

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01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 1: hit and listen, it's not worth going into now. Also,

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01:20:27,200 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: his daughters are very talented. Yes, yes, Mrs Daughter Brighty

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01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 1: Elliot is the one I Brdy Elliott and Abby Elliott

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01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: who's on ut. Yeah. Anyway, Katie, thanks for being here.

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Speaker 1: What would you like to plug? And where can people

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01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,800
Speaker 1: follow you online? You can follow me on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Katie's stole as Katie with a why most people spell

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Speaker 1: with an I. But that's the something something that I sell.

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Speaker 1: And you can check out my podcast Even More News

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Speaker 1: that I co host with Cody Johnston and our show

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Speaker 1: Some More News. If you want news, that's that's where

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Speaker 1: you can go to find something we all need. It's

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Speaker 1: only the better places to get news. There's something abouts,

1323
01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:13,719
Speaker 1: there's something about the news that is just overwhelming, intabilitating. Honestly,

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01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 1: is it more painful to watch the news or to

1325
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:19,920
Speaker 1: want this movie? Well? I thought, so we record the

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01:21:19,960 --> 01:21:21,679
Speaker 1: podcast and I was like, well, I'm gonna watch there's

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01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 1: something about Mary. This will be a nice unwinding activity.

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01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:30,760
Speaker 1: This is really painful. Yeah, but it was fun. Thank you,

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01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 1: Thank you for being here, and thank you for I mean,

1330
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,599
Speaker 1: I let let this be the death knell for this movie.

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01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:40,720
Speaker 1: We're done, It's done no more. You can follow us

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Speaker 1: very worth it um, and you get access to our backlogs.

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Speaker 1: You're basically getting fifty episodes all at once. Good stuff.

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Speaker 1: You can get merch at our Tea Public store at

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Speaker 1: t public dot com slash the Bechdel Cast, get all

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Speaker 1: your Bechtel Cast merch. There's the feminist brothers um and

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding that will that will not be merch. And

1341
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: otherwise I gotta get the come out of me or

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Speaker 1: I gotta go bye bye