1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: The official pot is presented by win Bet Betting is 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: a team sport bet together at win Bett. Eric Allen 3 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: here at one Jets Drive with Jets tight ends coach 4 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: Ron Middleton. So great to see again. So what's the 5 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: process like when you guys get a new offensive coordinator? Obviously, 6 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Robert Sala and company make the change at the end 7 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: of the year, Michael Flour explores other opportunities, eventually lands 8 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: with the Rams. But when Nathaniel Hackett is selected as 9 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: the guy, what happens for you? 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: The first thing is hopefully I get to stick on 11 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: and to stick around, you know, But yeah, Nathaniel and 12 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 2: not go go way back. So a little different from me, 13 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 2: and that I know the guy, know him personally. I 14 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 2: know he's his quirkiness and and whatnot, but also know 15 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 2: he's dare I say, ah, he's a really really good 16 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 2: offense court, really good offensive coordinator. He's very smart, innovative, 17 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: hard knows, but he presents it in a way that 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 2: the makes it easy for the players to understand. There's 19 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 2: some rhyme and reason too, even to the point of 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 2: how we call it. I mean, you would think that 21 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 2: would be important, but a lot of times that's that's overlooked, 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 2: you know. So for me, I was hoping that that 23 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: it was him that got the job because of our history, 24 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 2: I guess, you know. 25 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 1: So so let's talk about your history. Okay, you go 26 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: back to Jacksonville together, right any time before that? 27 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: Yes, we we could go all the way back to 28 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: Gruden and Tampa. Yeah, he was a. 29 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: He was QC system wide receiver coach. And that's being 30 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: very generous generous. Uh, he was I think coach man, 31 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: the Richard Man, the wide receiver coach just allowed him 32 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 2: to be in the room. 33 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 3: You know. 34 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: But that's where that's where he cut his teeth. They're 35 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: in Tampa and we go all the way back there. 36 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: So it's what was he like as a young guy 37 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: cutting his teeth and just getting the start in the league. Obviously, 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: his father was offensive coordinator. 39 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: Here, that's right, That's right, and he was actually a consultant, 40 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: a quarterback coach. They're also at Tampa. Yeah, so I 41 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: call him coach. You know, Nathaniel is Nathaniel, but that's 42 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 2: coach Hackett, you know, energetic, smart, You knew he was 43 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 2: gonna he was gonna go far in this business. 44 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: Even way back then. 45 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it was the writing was on the wall, 46 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 2: So I'm not surprised with any of the success. 47 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: But then the next stop, how many years together were. 48 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 2: You guys at Jacksonville? Yeah, I want to say four 49 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 2: years together? Yeah, at Jacksonville, I think four he called 50 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 2: he was offensive coordinator for a year and a half there, 51 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: I think, but he was I want to say quarterback coach? 52 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 2: Oh whatnot the other couple of years there? 53 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? 54 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Can you talk about you both were on the staff 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: that had that run of the AFC Championship game? 56 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: Correct, Yes we did, Yes, we were. 57 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: Can you talk about his work because it's been well publicized, 58 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: the work he's done with Aaron and we'll get to 59 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: Aaron in a couple of moments, but maybe the work 60 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: he did with the personnel there. Blake Bortles was a 61 00:03:55,440 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: quarterback and there was a balanced offense there. But you 62 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: guys had a lead in the ANFC Championship game, Patriots. 63 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right. 64 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: We always say we were a quarter give a take 65 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 2: away from the Super Bowl And you know, I can't 66 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 2: publicly tell you my disgust you know what happened in 67 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 2: the game, but I don't want to be fine yeah, 68 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: it was. I mean it's well documented. You can just 69 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: look at the tape. You know, they called a touchdown 70 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: back on us. You know, they took a turnover away 71 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: from us. It was it was really really bad. 72 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: How often do you think, how often do you think 73 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: about that? 74 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 3: Very often? Yes, I do, Yes, I do. I do. 75 00:04:56,040 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: For that team, that team, everything came together for us, 76 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 2: you know, the offense, I think we we we led 77 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 2: the leg the league in time of possession. I think 78 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:15,239 Speaker 2: we led the league in rushing the deep, which which 79 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: coincided with the defense. The nickname was Saxonville, you know, 80 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: because we had some great pass rushers on there, but 81 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: they got a chance to do just that rush to 82 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 2: pass it because by the time the opposing team got 83 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: the ball, they were usually behind and not a lot 84 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 2: of time left and having to throw, which fell right 85 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 2: into our defensive defens's hands. Special teams was we were 86 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 2: were top categories, several categories. So everything worked together, you know. 87 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: It was a It was a great chemistry and we 88 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,919 Speaker 2: had all the makings for for for getting to the 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and like I said, we were a quarter 90 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 2: or so away from it. 91 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: But what does it say about hacked specifically, that he 92 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: had that success with a guy like Portles. 93 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: He knew how to use him. You know, Blake is 94 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: well documented that Blake isn't or wasn't the most accurate passer, 95 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: but what he did bring to the table was a 96 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: grit and toughness second to none. He was a football player. 97 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 2: And so the plan, you know, we had. We had 98 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: RPOs for him, you know, to carry the ball. We 99 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: had play action Leonard Fournette. You know, we rode rode 100 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: that horse. That was when he was a youngster. So 101 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 2: we rode that horse and set up the play action 102 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: and and then Blake would do the keepers and nakeds 103 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 2: and the r pos. Like I said that it was 104 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: a very very balanced. I think he used all his weapons, right, 105 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, and that helped Blake out, you know, that 106 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: really did. 107 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: We didn't ask him. 108 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: To drop back and throw it fifty times a game, 109 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: you know, but we made our chunks. And you know, 110 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: like I said, a quarter a little bit over a 111 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 2: quarter away from the from the Super Bowl. 112 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: Man, that was a crazy playoffs because I remember I 113 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: think opening weekend you hosted. 114 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 3: Buffalo hosted Buffalo. That's right, right. 115 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: It was somewhat of an ugly game unless you like 116 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: defensive football. I think that final was ninety six, and 117 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: then the next week you're in Pittsburgh. I think that 118 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: final was like forty five two. 119 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 3: That's right. 120 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 2: We had we had beating them earlier in the season 121 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: there in Pittsburgh and then to go back in the 122 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: playoffs and beat them in Pittsburgh. 123 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 3: But that that was that was outstanding. It was good stuff, man, 124 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 3: it was good. It was good stuff. 125 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 1: Speaking of good stuff, what's it been like for you 126 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:04,680 Speaker 1: guys here in the early stages of implementing the Hackett 127 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 1: system and a can you talk about maybe the parallels 128 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: to the system that you ran in two thousand and 129 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: twenty two. It's the same family, but also can you 130 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:19,800 Speaker 1: speak to Hackett as far as what you said before 131 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: about matching his system to his personality? 132 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the system is basically the West Coast system, 133 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 2: you know, that's what we were doing. I mean it 134 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: was versions of it, but like you said, all of 135 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 2: them or or branches of that West Coast system. 136 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: You know, hack. 137 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: When he when he does install, he goes back to 138 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,359 Speaker 2: the days when his dad worked with at San Francisco 139 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 2: with Bill Wahhas you know, the original you know, the 140 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: West Coast offense. You know, they where they were implement 141 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 2: or installing, installing these plays way back then, you know, 142 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 2: seeing Jerry Rice, Brent, Brent Jones, you know, a tight 143 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: end run these plays or whatnot. So it's all connected, 144 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 2: you know. Nathaniel puts his spin on it, you know, 145 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: and he's modernized a couple of things, a couple of formations. 146 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 2: You know, they didn't didn't didn't do a lot of 147 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 2: motion back then, so we got a little motion now. 148 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 2: But understanding, I think, I think more than anything he understands. 149 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: It's not so much what he knows. What he can 150 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: do is what the players, what they can learn and 151 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: what they can do once they get on the grass. 152 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 1: You played in the league for more than two decade. Yeah, 153 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: that's right, and you've been coaching for a long time, 154 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: starting out in the college ranks. 155 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 3: That's right. 156 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: What was your reaction when you heard that the trade 157 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: was finalized The Jets were getting a future Hall of 158 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: Fame quarterback to lead the ship in Aaron Rodgers. 159 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I've I've had run ins with not 160 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: run INDs, I mean, I bumped shoulders with him. With 161 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: Aaron before, it was always cordial he he always called 162 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 2: me by my name, he knew me, which which I 163 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 2: thought was a was a big deal. You know, Aaron 164 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: Rodgers knows my name, knows my face or whatnot. So 165 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: I was to say I was excited with being understatement. 166 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: You know, it's. 167 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 2: Except I will accept the expectations that come along with 168 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: that because I know that that we will work to 169 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: get the pieces around him to be the sharpest that 170 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: they can possibly be. After being with him for the 171 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:01,199 Speaker 2: last couple of three weeks, I think I've never been 172 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: around a quarterback like him. 173 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: So why in your mind has he been so effective? 174 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: This eighteen year run Green Bay just unbelievable. Again, you 175 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: know the history of this game. He's one of the 176 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: best players ever. 177 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he's first of all, he's talented. You know, 178 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 2: he's got a lot of talent. Man, to see him 179 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 2: make some of those throws. Saw one today was we 180 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 2: was installing earlier and was showing clips of him and 181 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: he may just throw some type of just a dime 182 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: right there if it had been a spill to hit 183 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: the receiver and throw it was right on, right on, 184 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 2: right on target. So, first of all, he's talented, he's 185 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 2: very smart, and he's been in the system that there's 186 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: a lot to say with familiarity, to say four familiarity, 187 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 2: he knows the system, he's he's done it all. He's 188 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:08,160 Speaker 2: seen everything that someone could possibly give him. And you 189 00:12:08,200 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: know that the I think he utilizes his weapons. So oh, 190 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 2: that to me equals successful with eighteen US eighteen. 191 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: Years, you know, four time NFL MVP. 192 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: How about that? How about the. 193 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: Best touchdown interception ratio of anybody who's ever played. 194 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 4: Wow, Jets fans, we're in our final push and the 195 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 4: clock is ticking. Win Bet is giving you a golden 196 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 4: opportunity to win VIP prizes for the twenty twenty three season. 197 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: The win Bet Green Room is the most exclusive space 198 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 4: at the stadium with all inclusive food and beverage, lower 199 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: level seats, and appearances by Jets legends and celebrities. 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Do you sense because 207 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: we see him at a podium, or we see him 208 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: doing interviews, you see him in a totally different light 209 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: behind closed door, is in meeting rooms on the field. 210 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: Do you sense a genuine excitement about being here? 211 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 2: I do you know? I think it's I think you know. 212 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: I don't know him personally. Like I said, he's known 213 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 2: my face and called me by my name, but I've 214 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: never sat down and had had a beer with him, 215 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: or or or had an extended conversation with the guy. 216 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: Orcot Scotch with him, He's like, I guess he likes Scotch, 217 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: do does it? 218 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:53,200 Speaker 3: Yeah? 219 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: Okay, that's good to know it. It's not I don't 220 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: know what about stogies. He smoke a cigars. 221 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: I bet you he would with you, Yes. 222 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 2: Out standing, But he got me off track not thinking 223 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 2: about stogies and. 224 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: Scott what what he is with in. 225 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 3: The meeting room. 226 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 2: In the meeting room, you got to be on your 227 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 2: p's and q's. He questions everything or or or if 228 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 2: there's a better way to say it. He tries to 229 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 2: bring he tries to use that better way, you know. 230 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: On the field, if there's a if there's a way 231 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: he wants a route to be run or whatnot, then 232 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 2: he'll sit and he'll tell him. You know, and and 233 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: and it's just instant credibility coming from the guy. You know, 234 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 2: the players. Look, I told my tight ends, tight Ends. 235 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: I say, hey, if this guy tells you something or 236 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: tells you how to do something, do it okay, and 237 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 2: then come tell me so I don't know, so I 238 00:14:55,880 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: can reaffirm what he says. You know, it's his show man, 239 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: it's his shows. He's earned that, and he's been out there. 240 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 2: He's been out there with these guys, teaching, working with them, 241 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 2: doing the sprints with them. And I think they appreciate that, 242 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 2: you know, a whole whole lot. It's Aaron freaking Rogers man. 243 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 3: You know, it is Aaron freaking Rogers. 244 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: Do you expect to be in this position when Salah 245 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: brought you on board in twenty one? 246 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 3: That do you have? 247 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: Obviously you have confidence in him, but as far as 248 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: like a timetable twenty one, you guys embrace this youth 249 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: movement and you go four and thirteen. The next year 250 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: twenty two, you start out seven and four. You know, 251 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: I've made the argument multiple times here on the pod 252 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: that you guys would have been a playoff team had 253 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: not health failed. 254 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then. 255 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: Obviously in consistency at the quarterback position. Uh seven and 256 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: ten overall, but nearly doubled your win total last season. 257 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: And now here we are, people are looking at the 258 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: Jets and saying, you know, that's a championship contender. 259 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we got a chance. I'll say that we got 260 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: a chance. 261 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 2: I'm not stamping anything right now, but we've got a chance. 262 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 2: We got a legitimate chance to to do something special. 263 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: I think with the combination of youth, I think with 264 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 2: the you know, Aaron Rodgers brings a whole different element 265 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: immediately to everything that you do. But you know, the defense, 266 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: defense top on, one of the top defense in the league. 267 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 2: Last year, we did have some some highlights, some some 268 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: some we came close to to a lot of things. 269 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: We were closer than what our record showed last year. 270 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 2: And I emphasized last year, you know, this is a 271 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 2: whole different It's a whole different deal, a new you know, 272 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: we we we got some questions to answer. 273 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,120 Speaker 3: Uh offensive line, you know. 274 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 2: We we've got to show that up a couple of 275 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 2: guys uh Breefe, you know, coming coming off of injury. 276 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 2: You know, he's a weapon that that that that we're 277 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: counting on, you know, Garrett and the receiving corps. You know, 278 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: let's take another step forward so that Yeah, we would 279 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: much rather be in this position. Don't get me wrong. 280 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 2: And I'm not pole mouth, and I'm just trying to 281 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 2: be realistic about about it all. But you know, we 282 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 2: still got to go out and do it, you know, 283 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:49,399 Speaker 2: and there's still some things that has to fall in 284 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: place for us to be what we want to be. 285 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: You know, we got. 286 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 2: To avoid those injuries, you know, And I know injuries 287 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: are a part of it. But I bet if you 288 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: go back and you look at the successful teams, the 289 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: most successful teams historically in this league have been the 290 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: most healthy teams in the league, in and out each 291 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: and every year. 292 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 3: So I mean that's the big thing. Let's let's be healthy. 293 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: The SOLA will get them, will get them in that 294 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: team mentality, I have no, no, no doubt about that. 295 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: We will be prepared, We will will go about it 296 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: in in a in a smart manner, put guys in 297 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: in in the right spots or whatnot. But you know, 298 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 2: like I said, we there's still some things have to 299 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 2: come together for us, for us to get it done. 300 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 2: And you know that's that's part of the NFL. 301 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: Let's talk about your group. Okay, Tyler Conkin comes in 302 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 1: the fifty eight receptions and year one. What do you 303 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 1: want to see from Tyler in his second year with 304 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: the jet but more importantly first year with Aaron Rodgers, 305 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: first year under Nathaniel Hackett. 306 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, First of all, I want to see him healthy. 307 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: You know, he had this abdominal deal or some deal 308 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 2: that he's that he's nursing right now. So so that's 309 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 2: first and foremost to get him healthy. Once that's Once 310 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: that's the case, then then then he's gonna what he brings. 311 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 2: What he brings to the table is something that that 312 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 2: Nathan Nathaniel will will utilize and and I think Aaron 313 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 2: Rodgers is gonna love the guy. 314 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,719 Speaker 1: You know what do you think Roger is gonna love 315 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: about that skill set? 316 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 2: He's He's an explosive route runner, you know, in his 317 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,639 Speaker 2: in his world, in that ten to twelve yard range, 318 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:55,959 Speaker 2: he can he's got some he's got some quicks and 319 00:19:56,000 --> 00:20:01,119 Speaker 2: some explosiveness that can can really take advantage of that 320 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 2: underneath coverage. He does have enough speed to stretch the field. 321 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: He has a nice little little knack for getting into scenes. 322 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 3: You know. 323 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: I know Aaron likes the deep ball and whatnot. He 324 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: and and he'll be a viable weapon for him in 325 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 2: that in that aspect. But the twelve fifteen, twelve to 326 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 2: fifteen yard range, like I said, he can, He's got 327 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: some quickness and explosiveness to create mismatches in that box 328 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: area there. 329 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: What about cj Usama? I mean, you guys, I don't 330 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: want to put a percentage on how much twelve personnel 331 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: that you guys used last year. And you know, I 332 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: think when people think about the two, they're thinking more 333 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: about Conklin's maybe past receiving exploits, and then maybe CJ 334 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 1: is more of your typical blocker. 335 00:20:56,160 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: Well, I wouldn't, I wouldn't wouldn't categorize like that, but 336 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,320 Speaker 2: I will say we I think I think we ran 337 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: a lot of twelve personnel last year, and rightfully so 338 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: if you put that much money in a room, I 339 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: would hope. 340 00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 3: That you. 341 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: Know, get them out on the field, you know, and 342 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:19,360 Speaker 2: not counting anybody's money, I ain't saying that, but I 343 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 2: think we purposely tried to use them, you know, because 344 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 2: of that fact, and also because they were good football 345 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: players and you're trying to get your best eleven out 346 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: on the field. They both of them definitely was part 347 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: of our best eleven. 348 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: You know. 349 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 2: And then with Breech getting hurt last year, you know, 350 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: that took an element. We tried to do some things 351 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 2: with that personnel grouping to put some more playmakers on 352 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 2: the field, if you will. Hopefully, hopefully we can build 353 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: on that. Hell, I'd like to go thirteen person so 354 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 2: you know, we're working for that. You know, I don't 355 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,119 Speaker 2: know how I'm gonna get that done, but we're gonna, 356 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 2: We're gonna, We're gonna do our We're gonna do what 357 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 2: we do. We will talk about the tight end position 358 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 2: and we will make plays when our number is called, 359 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: and I just hope we on speed out for them. 360 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I mean c J was not as 361 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 1: busy as Tyler, but when he did have those receptions, 362 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: a lot of those ended up being big point. 363 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: Big place. C J. 364 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 2: You know, he you know, he he was dealing with 365 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 2: some nagging injuries last year. Also, you know, he he 366 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 2: he finally got in a groove, got healthy, and got 367 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,679 Speaker 2: in a groove. You know which which which helped and 368 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 2: could feature him more or more specific things for him. 369 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, he's the he's the jack of all trades, 370 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 2: c J Is. You know, he's gonna give you everything 371 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 2: he's got. Nobody plays harder than him, nobody. He's very smart, 372 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 2: he can do a lot of different things. He's a 373 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 2: he's a big body, so you know, there's a reason 374 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 2: why you know, he's he's been in the league as 375 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 2: long as he has and and he's respected as much 376 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 2: as he's respected. 377 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: People forget about Jeremy Ruckert. He was a rookie last season. 378 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: He was dealing with some physical elements himself early on 379 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,920 Speaker 1: in his career. Coach Alla had high praise for him 380 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: last de summer before the season ended. Do you expect 381 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: him to make that jump now? 382 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,439 Speaker 3: I do. He's you know, that's we've talked about that. 383 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 3: If what he. 384 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,879 Speaker 2: Put on tape the Miami game, you know, was was outstanding. 385 00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 2: I think that that performance going into the off season 386 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: really put him in a great place mentally, give. 387 00:23:55,880 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: Him a lot of confidence, a lot of confidence and 388 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: and he has visual evidence now of hey, I can 389 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: do this and I can do this at a high level. 390 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 2: And that's just scratched the surface of what this kid 391 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: brings to the table. Man, he's smart, he's tough, he's athletic, 392 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: all the makings, you know. Now, we just got to 393 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 2: keep him healthy and find his niche and before long 394 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: he's going to be a household name. 395 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 3: I think. 396 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 1: So when Joe Douglas tells you that they're going to 397 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: take Zach Goointz in the seventh round. 398 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, what are you thinking? 399 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: Because Joe talked about the importance of some of these 400 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: guys late in the draft having the freak factor to him. Yeah, 401 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: and Zach certainly does have that. You're talking about six 402 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: eight two fifty runs like a deer can jump through 403 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 1: the gym. And he was very productive in twenty twenty one. 404 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I know injury cut his season short in 405 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, but what do you like about him? 406 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: You've stated you've stayed a several of them at the 407 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: Combine and just a little you know, we get reports 408 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:13,439 Speaker 2: from the Combine of their workouts and everything, you know, 409 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: the three cone drill, the vertical, the forty you know, 410 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: all these bench press all this stuff, and if and 411 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 2: if and if they're good, those numbers are good, they're 412 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: usually in green their average there, you know, in a 413 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: beige type color. And then if they're really bad, there's 414 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: it's really red. You know, there's some of that out 415 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 2: there too. 416 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,479 Speaker 3: Sure was that Cones. 417 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: Every every statistical deal he had from the broad to 418 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: the three cone, the every the bench press even you know, 419 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: the bench was green. 420 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 3: Everything was green. He was. 421 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, he put on a show. His 422 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 2: workout at that the combine he put on definitely put 423 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: on the show. He's six ' eight. One thing you 424 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,120 Speaker 2: didn't mention is he's really really smart. He's really really smart. 425 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 2: And you know he I told him. And when I 426 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 2: gave my evaluation him, I said, well, he definitely definitely 427 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: won the interview. Of all the guys I interviewed, really 428 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: he was the best interview. Yeah, because he he talked 429 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: a good game. Now, he talked a good game about it. 430 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 2: You know, I'm tough is and he said all the 431 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,119 Speaker 2: right things and all that. So we're gonna put that 432 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 2: to the test. We're gonna put that to the test. 433 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 3: Now. 434 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: That's that's that's that's what I want to see. You know, 435 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 2: all that, all that running around in shorts and everything. 436 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 2: That's all good, and that's that's necessary, and that's part 437 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,159 Speaker 2: of it. But you know, we don't play football in 438 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 2: shorts and pajamas and T shirts. You know, there's some plastic. 439 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 2: There's some plastic on there. And regardless, it's not as 440 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 2: physical at it as it used to be, but it's 441 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: still a physical game and we got to bring it. 442 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,600 Speaker 3: So I'm sure he will. 443 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: How much you like this room, And obviously they could 444 00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: ask you about Kenny as well, But it just seems 445 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: like you got a good group of guys and there's 446 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: a lot of versatility there. 447 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 2: A lot of versatility. First of all, these guys are 448 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,679 Speaker 2: made up. Every one of them is made up of 449 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: the right stuff. You know inside you know, their their 450 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: professional they they're professionals. They they they they want to 451 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: be good, they want to be great. I think they 452 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 2: see the potential of of of of of the team 453 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: aspect of it, you know, they and they're all about team. 454 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe we're asked to pass protect a little. 455 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: More now than we are to run corner route or whatnot. 456 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 2: I don't see them guys complaining, well, not much. You know, 457 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,800 Speaker 2: he will complain to me but it's gonna be it's 458 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 2: gonna be team, team first, and I think it starts 459 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 2: with that. I think that that's one of the prerequisits 460 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: of of the guys we bring in, not just in 461 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 2: the tight end room, but what Slah well, his vision 462 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 2: of this team you want to be want to have 463 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: good citizens first and foremost, and he won't team guys. 464 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 2: And if we get that, then we definitely got a 465 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 2: chance to build on something positive. 466 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be exciting season. And uh, listen, you 467 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: have a lot of fans out there. We talked about 468 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: that before, not only from what you did in Mobile, 469 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: uh leading the squad to victory, but obviously beaten your 470 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: old team, the Jacksonville Jaguars when when Robert Salah was 471 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: down and and everybody recites the line. I've seen a 472 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: couple T shirts out there about everybody want to go 473 00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:04,120 Speaker 1: to heaven. 474 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 3: You know, but nobody wants to die. Yeah. 475 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: Right, you got any ol T shirts yourself or no, 476 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: They're in. 477 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: My locker, my wife has and whatnot. I would never 478 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 2: wear one, but I can get you on if you 479 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 2: don't have one. 480 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I definitely want that. I'm gonna take you 481 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 1: up on that real quick. 482 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 3: Though. 483 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: You are a leader, you are a successful coach the NFL. 484 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 1: Last year, you were part of a program, a front 485 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: office accelerator program. As we start the twenty twenty three season, 486 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 1: there are three black coaches in the National Football League 487 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: for the fifth consecutive year. Okay, do you think a 488 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: program like that is ultimately going to help where the 489 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 1: league should be? 490 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: I hope. 491 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 2: So there's a lot of good things with that program. 492 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: You know. 493 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: I don't know if I told you, but you know, 494 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 2: just to be it gave it gave me and everyone 495 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 2: that was there with me participating in it last year. 496 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: It gave me a chance to be around the owners 497 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: in a different light. 498 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 499 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 2: You know, I got to see some guys that I 500 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 2: only have seen from Afar talking about owner wise that 501 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: you know. 502 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 3: Once I talked to him, I. 503 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: Mean, if it's just regular people, We joked, we laughed, 504 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,239 Speaker 2: you know, we had some serious conversation. I worked for 505 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 2: Shah Khan with seven years at the Jaguars, and that 506 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: was the most time he and I spent together one 507 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 2: on one at that accelerate deal. Yeah, it was a 508 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 2: cocktail get together. Yeah, and he and I talked for 509 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: a long time. We talked about a whole different, whole 510 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: bunch of stuff. And that was the most time I 511 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: spent with him of all the time that I like, 512 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: I said, I worked for him for seven years, So 513 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 2: I think it's a it's a good thing there. There 514 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: was some very a lot of positives that came out 515 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000 Speaker 2: of it, uh, and I think they start up again 516 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 2: next year. 517 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 3: They asked me if I wanted. 518 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: To go back this year, and I was like, I do, 519 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 2: but I would like to see some some of the 520 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: other coaches get an opportunity really too, yes to to 521 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: experience that. You know, I've experienced it. I've I've gone 522 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 2: through it. Now let's let's let's spread it around. Let 523 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 2: somebody else go Now, so. 524 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: Your guy stays in the moment and you're gonna approach 525 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: each day like that. But have you ever let your 526 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,719 Speaker 1: mind wander and say, hey, I know I can do this. 527 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,400 Speaker 1: I'd like to do it someday myself. 528 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: Oh, no question, no question. 529 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that that that that is a goal. 530 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, I'm at my age and 531 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: my time that I'm just saying though that I'm gonna 532 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna need some definitely I mean, we all need this, 533 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 2: but I'm gonna definitely need some divine intervention. It's gonna 534 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 2: be a unique situation that that allows me to get 535 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: the opportunity I think based on. 536 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 3: The the the the. 537 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: The requirements or the pathway that they that that that 538 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:39,000 Speaker 2: they you have to take right now to to get 539 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 2: that opportunity. So, you know, if do I think I 540 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: can do it? No, I know I can do it, 541 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: and I think I would do a hell of a 542 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:52,840 Speaker 2: job with it too. But like I said, I'm gonna 543 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: at this point, on this stage in my career, is 544 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 2: gonna it's gonna be a unique situation, you know, because 545 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 2: I'm not going to be a coordinator, you know, and 546 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: right now that's the route that they're taking. You know, 547 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 2: there might be there has been position coaches that have 548 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: gotten an opportunity, but not many. 549 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting. When I started here with the 550 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:24,480 Speaker 1: Jets was old one and my previous year in the 551 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: NFL was with Tampa in two thousand and the secondary 552 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 1: coach was Herm Edwards. Herm Edwards got hired by Woody 553 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: Johnson here as head coach, and he took the route 554 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: from defensive backfields coach if you say herm was never 555 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 1: a coordinated. 556 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: Was never Yeah, yeah, you know, so that's that's one 557 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 2: and no doubt, no doubt. Yes, yes it can't. It 558 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 2: can happen, no question. That's where that divine intervention comes in. 559 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: You know. 560 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: But the other thing is if you guys have success 561 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: as a staff here, which everything is pointed in that direction, 562 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,840 Speaker 1: like they're gonna end up picking a couple of guys 563 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,919 Speaker 1: off the staff to be head coaches. Yeah, because that's 564 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: part of that's just like Robert was successful under Kyle. 565 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:24,439 Speaker 2: And defensive coordinator, you know, you know so yeah, Nathaniels 566 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 2: offensive coordinators head coach last year. So you know, maybe 567 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: if they want to go, you know, I'll be more 568 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 2: than willing. 569 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,080 Speaker 3: To just put it out there. 570 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,280 Speaker 2: You know, I'll be more than willing to to offer 571 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,640 Speaker 2: my services to anyone that want to chance. 572 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: And you loved it right in those brief times that 573 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,800 Speaker 1: you had the opportunity. 574 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 2: It was outstanding. I had a ball, man, I had 575 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,360 Speaker 2: a ball. I had a great report. The players I 576 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 2: see some of them now, you know, the guys that 577 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:01,439 Speaker 2: were in in in in Mobile, you know, the own team, 578 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,799 Speaker 2: different teams around and they you know, hey, I'm still Hey, 579 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:06,840 Speaker 2: if it's moving, I'm. 580 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 3: Still hitting it, coach, you know. 581 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,920 Speaker 2: So it was great, Yes, it was great, and I 582 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:14,560 Speaker 2: look forward to that opportunity. 583 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: Well, we always look forward to our next opportunity with 584 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 1: Ron Middleton, and hopefully this summer we're gonna get that 585 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,240 Speaker 1: date down. We're gonna be at a golf course near you. 586 00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. I love it. I love it.