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Speaker 1: Every day a week ago picks up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done morning.

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Speaker 3: Everybody is DJ en Vy just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.

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Speaker 3: We are the Breakfast Club. We got a special guest

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Speaker 3: in the building, indeed, Attorney Benjamin Crumb.

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Speaker 1: Welcome, brother, How you feeling the morning and birthday King Queen?

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Speaker 4: How are you kiddy Man? Happy to catch you out

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Speaker 4: doing black history much?

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Speaker 5: Yes, sir, Yes, sir, I feel like you've been keeping

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Speaker 5: more with a low profile lately, Brother Crump.

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Speaker 4: You know, I've worked on this novel and I was

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Speaker 4: really trying to inspire the next generation of civil rights

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Speaker 4: lawyers social justice warriors, because it has always be building

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Speaker 4: for the future. We're gonna pass this torch, and we

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Speaker 4: got to make sure the next generation go even further

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Speaker 4: than us. And so Bett Man, I've been working by

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Speaker 4: But if I just ain't been in the public so.

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Speaker 2: Much, is there a reason for that?

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Speaker 1: No, it's just that.

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Speaker 4: We put we got the me for how to suit

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Speaker 4: the clan that was in the media. We've been fighting

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Speaker 4: on these environmental racism cases. I'm battling in Altera Dina

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Speaker 4: the wildfires while everybody moved on. Those black people are

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Speaker 4: still this place, still homeless, and we're still fighting the

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Speaker 4: whole the company accountable and the county because they gave

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Speaker 4: it the evacuation notices to the people on the east side,

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Speaker 4: the more affluent white people, and then the black people

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Speaker 4: got their evacuation notices late, and nineteen black people died

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Speaker 4: and nobody's talking about it. And if we're not careful,

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Speaker 4: Charlemagne man alter Dina, which was the predominantly black historic

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Speaker 4: distraction of Los Angeles, will become California's Katrina. And that's

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Speaker 4: what we cannot afford, for black people to lose their land,

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Speaker 4: their generational wealth. And we sometimes with this administration, we

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Speaker 4: forget the trouble, I mean just the craziness they're doing.

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Speaker 4: They didn't even allow FEMA to come in and build

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Speaker 4: the infrastructure because this president was opposed to California and

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Speaker 4: it's democratic leadership, so they said, we're not going to

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Speaker 4: help them. So now we're having to hold the state

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Speaker 4: and the county and the City of Los Angeles accountable

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Speaker 4: to do infrastructure. So the black people, if it would

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Speaker 4: have took a year a year and a half to

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Speaker 4: get back in your home, now it's going to take

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Speaker 4: two years, two years and a half. Can you imagine,

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Speaker 4: you know, can you imagine Charlotte Maine, y'all, just one day,

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Speaker 4: you minding your business and then a fire comes from

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Speaker 4: the transform and just in a matter of minutes burning

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Speaker 4: everything everything you.

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Speaker 1: Had is gone.

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Speaker 4: Your children are not being able to go to school,

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Speaker 4: your cars were burnt, so you can't go to work.

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Speaker 4: And then the theme of the emergency management system that

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Speaker 4: was built for this exact moment then says, for political reasons,

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Speaker 4: we're not going to do anything.

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Speaker 2: Please please, I'm glad to know that you on that case.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: Memi Browna does off Front page News.

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Speaker 5: She did a whole special on Alter Dina call from

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Speaker 5: Altadina with Love and she and she talks about that

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Speaker 5: a lot, and the people she talked to talk about

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Speaker 5: that a lot. And people call up here all the

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Speaker 5: time just looking for help. It's in assistance and feel

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Speaker 5: like they can't get it. And people aren't remember what happened.

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Speaker 1: What about this show.

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Speaker 4: We're suing the hell out on Charlamagne so they ever

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Speaker 4: know that we if they ain't got nobody at least advocating,

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Speaker 4: call us and we'll keep fighting the insurance companies. You know,

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Speaker 4: Governor knew, some of the Attorney General and them. They

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Speaker 4: did a mortgage moratorium for a year, and then we

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Speaker 4: got to extended another year because think about it, envy

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Speaker 4: and just yeah, you're paying a mortgage on a house

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Speaker 4: that you can't even live in. I mean, and a

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Speaker 4: lot of people just ain't doing it. And so you

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Speaker 4: got the whether the disaster capitalists the opportunitist because you know,

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Speaker 4: the Olympics coming into la they got World Cup coming. Man,

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Speaker 4: they've been trying to bop these black people land forever anyway,

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Speaker 4: and now with this tragedy, they're taking the opportunity to

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Speaker 4: throw pennies on the dollar. And still our land, still

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Speaker 4: our generational wealth. And so the inshurance companies, you know,

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Speaker 4: have been doing what they do. I believe all of them,

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Speaker 4: State farm, all state, everybody. They try to get your premiums,

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Speaker 4: no matter how many times you pay.

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Speaker 1: The first time you make a claim, they come.

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Speaker 4: Over every single reason to say, well, we're not gonna

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Speaker 4: deny that, we're gonna deny this claim, or we don't

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Speaker 4: think this land is that valuable. Lauren and Charlamaine because

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Speaker 4: it's in a black neighborhood.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but once they get all black people out, then

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Speaker 5: they didn't bring the white people in not land increase tripletye.

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Speaker 1: Ten times with the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Man, they gonna be building high rises and this is

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Speaker 4: prime land Los Angeles already is what they said, five

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Speaker 4: times more than any of the property in America price wise,

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Speaker 4: and so this is going to go up even more.

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Speaker 4: It's so many things that don't make the media Charlemagne

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Speaker 4: that we work on and fight on, you know, banking

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Speaker 4: while black, and right now, all the black women who

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Speaker 4: are being fired and terminated, the coust this attack on

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Speaker 4: DEI and diversity equit inclusion. We're suing all these corporations

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Speaker 4: for these black people who are losing their jobs with

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Speaker 4: no rhyme or reason, just that you know, this administration

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Speaker 4: gave us an excuse now that we don't have to

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Speaker 4: tolerate you all.

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 4: And it's funny as funny as our test figuring. I

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Speaker 4: always laughed when we were representing lower people at the

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Speaker 4: corporation and they bought discrimination claims. You would these black

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Speaker 4: people sitting at the table helping to defend the corporation's

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Speaker 4: actions justifications to fire them.

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Speaker 1: But now you got a lot of those people calling

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Speaker 1: me in. I'm like, wow, ain't this interesting?

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Speaker 4: The tables have turned now it's you on this side

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Speaker 4: while you are helping protect them. So it just says

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Speaker 4: to us, especially during Black History Mark, the future of

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Speaker 4: black people won't be determined by how white people treat us.

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Speaker 4: The future of black people won't be determined how white

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Speaker 4: people support us. The future of black people won't be

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Speaker 4: determined how white people invest in us. But the future

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Speaker 4: of black people will be determined how we treat each other.

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Speaker 4: The future of black people will be how we support

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Speaker 4: each other. The future of black people, Charlamagne, will be

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Speaker 4: how we invest in each other.

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Speaker 1: And that's the God's honest.

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Speaker 4: Truth when you really think about it, man, we need

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Speaker 4: to be supporting black businesses, black lawyers, black doctors, black restaurants,

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Speaker 4: black dry cleaners, black mechanics, black insurance agent. I mean,

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Speaker 4: we got that every week have dinner or at least

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Speaker 4: every month, have dinner, lunch with our colleagues and so forth.

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Speaker 1: And we got to hold each other accountable.

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Speaker 4: But like jes you know, the fifty percent of your money,

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Speaker 4: at least forty percent go to black businesses.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, who let's talk about it. And I try

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Speaker 4: God bless me immensely, and I'm like, I don't want

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Speaker 4: to be a hypocrite. I want to be true. And

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Speaker 4: I got to look in the mirror first and foremost

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Speaker 4: and hold myself accountable. And so I say to myself,

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Speaker 4: when I really think about it, Our Aging sisters and

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Speaker 4: brother brothers, their dollar in their community stays in their

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Speaker 4: community twenty one days before it leaves Our Jewish sisters

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Speaker 4: and brothers, their dollar stays in their community, seventeen days

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Speaker 4: before it leaves their community. Black Americans, our dollars stay

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Speaker 4: in our community seventeen minutes before it leaves our community.

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Speaker 1: And it's sad shall the man because I love how.

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Speaker 4: Leeby Armstrong out of Minneapolis and Jamal Bryant when we

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Speaker 4: boycotted Target and those things. Because it's such a philosophical decision,

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Speaker 4: it's a mindset. They say, I'm going to be intentional

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Speaker 4: about supporting black businesses, and you gotta be intentional. And

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Speaker 4: with the Internet we can find black businesses. They say, no, no,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to find a black Dennis. I'm going to

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Speaker 4: find a black you know, insurance agent. Now and it's

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Speaker 4: intentional because now we're building a strong black economic base

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Speaker 4: and we can then tell this administration that, hey, like

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Speaker 4: how new Jack City cash many brothers are self contained unit.

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Speaker 1: We will be okay with or without you. We don't

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Speaker 1: need you to say.

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Speaker 5: But it's crazy though, because these conversations have been going

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Speaker 5: on since the beginning of the time, Like, you're not

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Speaker 5: saying nothing that the Honorable Elijah Muhammad didn't say that,

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Speaker 5: Martin Garvey didn't say that, Martin Luther King Junior didn't

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Speaker 5: say like. It's just like, at what point are people

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Speaker 5: going to realize unity and group operation is the way.

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Speaker 4: You know, Charlomagne, we have to keep saying it though,

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Speaker 4: you know, as my grandmother and them, you say, I

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Speaker 4: know we're singing to the choir, but the choir gotta

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Speaker 1: And it just got to be something that.

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Speaker 4: We remind each other, like you, Lauren, just Envy, y'all

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Speaker 4: every month say hey, how many black businesses do y'all support?

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Speaker 4: Because it's easy to just spend money. I know my

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Speaker 4: with yourself and you start writing down, Well, did I

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Speaker 4: at least give twenty five percent of my money? I

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Speaker 4: know I paid all these white people. I bought this stuff.

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Speaker 4: I went to corporate America, you know, to.

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Speaker 2: A Mexican.

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Speaker 4: And with this book, we've done so much to try

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Speaker 4: know Amazon, you know, it's so easy, so convenient, and

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Speaker 4: so forth. But I was so proud of sh'all the

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Speaker 4: main when they wrote that article saying that being Crump's

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Speaker 4: we're being honest with ourself. It's one thing for you

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Speaker 4: to come up, but how do you help bring everybody

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Speaker 4: else up with you? That's what I love about you, man,

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Speaker 4: with the black effect. You're bringing a lot of people up.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 5: Why did you choose fiction as the vehicle for the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know it's interesting because my personal hero, third

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Speaker 4: Good Marshall. He once said that most people will never

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Speaker 4: know what really happens in a courtroom when you're fighting

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Speaker 4: for liberty and justice for marginalized people. And he said

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Speaker 4: That's why Charlamagne he would write his legal memorandums and

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Speaker 4: his pleadings and his briefs to be very engaging, because

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Speaker 1: And so I said to myself, well, what could be

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Speaker 1: more engaging than a legal thriller?

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Speaker 4: I mean John Grisham with The Rainmaker, Michael Conley with

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Speaker 4: the Lincoln Lawyer. They say, millions of books every year

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Speaker 4: because legal thrillers are intriguing, you know, you excited trying

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Speaker 4: to figure my page turners and so forth. And I said,

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Speaker 4: you know, man, I grew up with my grandmother watching Perry.

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Speaker 1: Mason, you know, the old TV show.

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Speaker 4: You know he figured it out his brilliance, his resources.

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Speaker 4: And then when college, you know, you got the Grisham

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Speaker 4: and there. But I kept saying, man, when are they

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Speaker 4: gonna make a superhero black trial lawyer and everything? And

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Speaker 4: I kept trying to figure out that they're ever gonna

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Speaker 4: do it. And so when I said lawd God said, Negro,

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Speaker 1: Said that's your lane.

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Speaker 5: When you talk about that title worse than a lie, right, like, like,

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Speaker 3: How do you deal with stepping from the beside from

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Speaker 4: You have two battles when you're representing people of color,

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Speaker 6: I saw the press conference you did about you, but

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Speaker 2: I think you got overwhelmed.

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Speaker 5: By all the negativity because you all wanted the people

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Speaker 2: A lot of our own.

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Speaker 4: And you know it's so interesting, Charlemagne, because Man, the

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Speaker 4: So I don't even think about any negativity criticism. Ts Lawrence,

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Speaker 4: to help liberate black people.

437
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm too busy now trying to do stuff.

438
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 4: Globally with Africa and so forth, because we if we

439
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 4: learned anything from this administration, it's not enough to think nationally.

440
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 4: We really got to think globally and the African diaspora,

441
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: Like Marcus Garbin said, that's what's gonna save our people.

442
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 5: Is there a constitutional crisis when the president repeatedly attacks judges, prosecutors,

443
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,160
Speaker 5: and juries. Are that I guess protected under some type

444
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 5: of First Amendment?

445
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 4: You know again, schaw Man, That's why I wrote this

446
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 4: legal thriller because I want so many people to go

447
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: out hopefully independent bookstores are Amazon bars and or whatever.

448
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: You can start reading this book learning.

449
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 4: Because we talk a lot about civil procedure and criminal procedure.

450
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: It's funny because my cousin Vinny, you remember that movie.

451
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: It was funny and entertaining, but you watch it, you

452
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 4: learn a lot. And so like a few good men

453
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 4: and Lincoln lawyer rain Maker when they read this book

454
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 4: about black superhero lawyers. I want people to be learning

455
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 4: a lot because they need to understand about the Constitution.

456
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 4: I was talking about this is art imitating life and

457
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:34,199
Speaker 4: life imitating art Charlamagne. When I wrote this book, you

458
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 4: know it was in twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. Hollis

459
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 4: Montrose gets shot ten times by four white officers, and

460
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 4: there's a sister who records it on video from her apartment. Wonder,

461
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 4: but none of that is enough when the system starts

462
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 4: to conspire to oppress the truth. And then we think

463
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 4: about what happened two months ago with Alex Peretti, four

464
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 4: or five officers around him, he gets shot ten times.

465
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 4: Like Hollis, he was licensed to care gun had it

466
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 4: on him. Hollis licensed care gun had it on him.

467
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 4: Both arguments said that even though there's video, we felt

468
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 4: them fear of our life and that's why we killed them.

469
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: And then you saw the powers that become and start

470
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 4: saying it was justified. I mean, even with video, it's

471
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 4: no guarantee that you're gonna get the truth in justice out.

472
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: And so when we think about the constitution crisis, I

473
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 4: immediately think about the actions of ice and what's going on,

474
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 4: how it is a complete assault on the Constitution of

475
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 4: the United States.

476
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's an assault on.

477
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 4: The First Amendment right to free speech, freedom of assembly,

478
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 4: freedom of press. When they're arrested at Georgia Fort and

479
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,719
Speaker 4: don Lemon. The second Amendment, right, I mean the attack

480
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 4: on it. When you think about Alex Parade, they said

481
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 4: that he wasn't can bring his farm to this protest.

482
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 4: Even you have western young Kyle Rittenhouse, they let him

483
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: march right up there, made him a hero for having

484
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 4: the gun at the rally for Jacob Blake. But then

485
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:12,199
Speaker 4: the third, the fourth Amendment, assault against the prohibition of

486
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 4: unlawful searches and seizures. My god, I mean they're kicking

487
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: in people front doors with warrants based on racial profile

488
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 4: and nothing else. I mean busting people card windows when

489
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 4: they're driving in the street. I mean, no warrant, no

490
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: probable cause, just that now you look Spanish, or you

491
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 4: look Samarian, or you look Haitian. So black people don't

492
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 4: take it lightly that they ain't coming for you next,

493
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 4: because they're gonna say, oh, you look like our Haitian cousins.

494
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 4: You look like our Samalian cousins. The Fifth Amendment right

495
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 4: to do process of the law. How they just turned

496
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 4: that on its head, Charlamagne. The fact that it was

497
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 4: one of the most cherished principles in America to say

498
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 4: that you're innocent into proven guilty.

499
00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: Well not with ice, not not.

500
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 4: You have guilty, and you got to prove your innocent,

501
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 4: You got to prove that you're an American citizen, that

502
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 4: you got your papers, and so forth. It reminds you

503
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 4: of South Africa doing apartheid.

504
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: And then you think about the sixth Amendment right to counsel.

505
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 4: The fact that you got people and ICE detention centers

506
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 4: and their lawyers are trying to go meet with them

507
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: and have consultations with them, and they're being denied access.

508
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: And then worst of all, y'all, worst.

509
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 4: Of all is the attack on the Eighth Amendment rights

510
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 4: against Cruel and Unusual punishment, Charlemagne. The fact that, man,

511
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 4: you got people in these detention facilities who are American

512
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 4: citizens too, and they need their insulin, they need their

513
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 4: heart medicine, and they're not being given that reasonable medical.

514
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: Attention.

515
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 4: That it's clear from medical records and everything, and people

516
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 4: are dying and nobody's saying anything about it. And you

517
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 4: got these private corporations with these contracts to keep.

518
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: Building these detention facilities, to keep building these prisons.

519
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: Y'all, we need to stop attacking each other because they're

520
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 4: attacking us, and they.

521
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: Mean for our people, your children.

522
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 4: Your cousins, your spouses to end up in those prisons.

523
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,479
Speaker 4: Trump certainly don't mean for his kind to end up

524
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 4: in those prisons.

525
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 5: Does it ever get overwhelming for you being that you

526
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 5: are to go to you know, civil rights attorneys, Like

527
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 5: when people think, and especially the generation you're like somebody

528
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 5: called Ben Crump, did it ever get old woman for you?

529
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 6: You know?

530
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 4: I try to always thank God and be humble, never

531
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: get the big hair, you know, black American's Attorney general.

532
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 4: I say, well, I'm proud that people would think that

533
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 4: of me. But what I also know Charlemagne, it can

534
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 4: never be about one person. We can't have one leader

535
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 4: because they'll take them out and then where will we be.

536
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: So I'm all.

537
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 4: About community and building the bench we gotta keep. I'm

538
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 4: so happy that Tess is in law school. I'm so

539
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: happy that other people are going to law school because

540
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: we need like third Good March, she said, we need

541
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: an army of civil rights lawyers to be able to

542
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 4: deal with all the injustices we have. And so I

543
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 4: try never ever to say old woe is me, because

544
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: you know, Charlamagne, if I did not choose to go

545
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 4: take on these big fights, then I wouldn't have to

546
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 4: worry about people calling me. But I choose because I say,

547
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 4: God bless me, and shame on me if I don't

548
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 4: use the influence that God gave me to go try

549
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: to help others.

550
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: And that's what.

551
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 4: It was, Jamie Fox and I and oh at Harry Bellefonte.

552
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: Harry Belafonte said, what good is having influence if you

553
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 4: don't use it when it matters most? And I worry

554
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 4: so much about other sisters and brothers who got the

555
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: influence who just stay silent.

556
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 7: Man.

557
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 4: I'm like, you got all this money, all this power,

558
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 4: you see what's happening to our people, and you ain't

559
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: gonna say nothing. I mean it, and again I shot

560
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 4: you out the breast. I love how you use your

561
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 4: platform to speak truth to power. And we all got

562
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: to do it, y'all because God is watching it. One

563
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 4: day he gonna say, but what did you do with

564
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: the blessings Eye bestowed upon you?

565
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: What did you do with the influence. Did you just

566
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: use it for yourself or did you try to help others?

567
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: Did Boosy reach out to you? Boosy said he was

568
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: gonna reach out here. He did, he did.

569
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 3: Well, what happened with Booty case, I know that Boosy said,

570
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: Louisiana is kicking his ass, kicking his butt.

571
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 4: Well, you know, I do think there are times when

572
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 4: people try to use their authority to come after people

573
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 4: who are in our community, who have high profiles, and

574
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 4: they do an intention and so I know they did

575
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: it with NBA young boy. We were able to get

576
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: him a bell and that was Louisanna. I think they're

577
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 4: doing it with Boots. I think they do it to

578
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 4: a lot of us envy. So in short order, we've

579
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: broke down Boots's case.

580
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: We think he's gonna be fine.

581
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: I've worked with great lawyers and Louisana like attorney James

582
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 4: Williams Tez and Sue Anne Robinson helped me on that case.

583
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 4: And it was really one of those things, just doing

584
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: the legal research and so forth, saying this is where

585
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 4: I believe their bark is worse than their bike. And

586
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: so I said, if they come for you, we'll have

587
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 4: the community ready, and that's why it's good to work

588
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: for the lawyers around the country. So it ain't just

589
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 4: Ben Crump. But when you call Ben Crump, he's calling

590
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: his network of attorneys saying, Hey, how do we help Bootsy,

591
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 4: how do we help you know, I'm gonna look at

592
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: Tod Dollar signed brother. He believes in a lot believe

593
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: or wrongfully in California. So we're gonna look at those

594
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: cases because that's what we have to do, Envy. We

595
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 4: have to be there to answer to bell fire people.

596
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 4: And I smile when you say, Boots, just call the office.

597
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: When you put it on social media, I got a

598
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: hundred calls.

599
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: Boots are trying to get you crumped.

600
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: Had the Trump administration targeted you anyway?

601
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: I'm sure I'm on some enemy lists, but I try

602
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 4: not to think about it, because you know, I have

603
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 4: the honor of representing the family of Malcolm X. You know,

604
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: and this was sixty one years ago. They were targeting

605
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 4: our people, and I don't think nothing has changed with

606
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 4: the CIA or the FBI. Tell them I think you

607
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 4: and me both on this enemy's list. Brother, h you know,

608
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 4: come with me. We know who we are, whose we

609
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 4: are and I refuse to be afraid. I tell my

610
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: security and everybody all, I refuse to let them make

611
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: us live in fear, standing up, fighting for our children's future.

612
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: And you know.

613
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 4: God has ordered our steps, and whatever happens, I want

614
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 4: my daughter, I want our children to know we believed

615
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: in them so much we were willing to fight for them,

616
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 4: sacrifice for them, and if need be, die for our children.

617
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: Man.

618
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 4: I Lyn really got to see that black people believe

619
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 4: in black liberation. And just like and I mean this

620
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 4: from the heart, just like they are unapologetic in their

621
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 4: white supremacist beliefs, we have to be unapologetic defenders of

622
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 4: black life, black liberty, and black culture.

623
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 1: I mean now more than ever, y'all.

624
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: They they saying it, well, they chest how they think

625
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 4: we're inferior. We got to say it with our chest.

626
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: Now we think black is the greatest thing and we

627
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: don't care. And we got to say it a hundred

628
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: times over, Like Jesse just saying, you know, we got

629
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 4: to talk about I am somebody because everybody in society

630
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 4: try to tell a little black boys and girls you

631
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 4: ain't nobody.

632
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: Now, what did Jesse you mention?

633
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson rest in peace. Jesse Jackson.

634
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: What did Jesse Jackson mean to you?

635
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: Man?

636
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: You know, for the greater part of my life. I'm

637
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: in the fifties. You know, Jesse was the standard bear

638
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: for civil rights that we knew. And the thing I

639
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 4: remember the be specific I remember. You know, you fight

640
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 4: the campaigns, you get people who show up for the cameras,

641
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 4: and then when the cameras go, you see people showing

642
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 4: up on a consistent Bacey Jesse, even the old age,

643
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 4: was still trying to show up.

644
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: And I have to salute that.

645
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 4: I'll never forget we were and I won't call the corporation,

646
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 4: but we were representing agents of a certain insurance company

647
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 4: where they were ran lining in the black agents where

648
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: they could never make as much as the young white

649
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,800
Speaker 4: boys and girls.

650
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Who was twenty years there, junior.

651
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 4: And we were in federal court in Chicago, and you know,

652
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: I believe, like third good. We got to fight in

653
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 4: the court of public opinion, in the court of law,

654
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 4: and one of the states. One of the agents was

655
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Speaker 4: Jesse Jackson's insurance agent, who was one of the class

656
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Speaker 4: action representatives. So I asked Reverend Jackson to come to court,

657
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 4: and we were in court envy. And we were there

658
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 4: for about four or five hours at this federal here,

659
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 4: and the judge was really giving it to me, man

660
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Speaker 4: and my team.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he was coming.

662
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: At us left and right, and you know you're like, man,

663
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,320
Speaker 4: this ain't gonna go well for us, and so forth,

664
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Speaker 4: and you know you had a defeat. This mentality stunting

665
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 4: to set in a little bit, and we went on break. Man.

666
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: Reverend Jackson got me in the corner and he said,

667
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: he said, Attorney Crump Man, you gotta remember, you don't

668
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: drown because the water is deep. He said, you drown

669
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,439
Speaker 4: because you stopped kicking. He said, our people can never

670
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 4: see our leaders or people they believe in, stop kicking.

671
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: He said, you just always gotta keep kicking.

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Speaker 1: Man.

673
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 4: He said, you keep kicking, you will make it to

674
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Speaker 4: the shore. You keep kicking, you'll overcome.

675
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,320
Speaker 1: But you just gotta keep kicking.

676
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 4: I don't care what the ours are, I don't care

677
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: how the cars are stacked against you. You just keep kicking.

678
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 4: And I was like, wow, you know, all right, just

679
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 4: let's go. And as fate would have it, man, we

680
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 4: went back in court for another hour or so, and

681
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 4: the judge, even though he berated us and talked down

682
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 4: to us, like Thirdgod Marsha got talked down to And

683
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 4: that's part of it. You know, you gotta understand that

684
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 4: the system really doesn't think black people supposed.

685
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Speaker 1: To get equal justice.

686
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: Every bit of justice we get, every ounce we get,

687
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 4: we gotta fight for it. We been making that court

688
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 4: room and the judge denied. They motion to dismiss, and

689
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 4: I said, man, what a legacy to jessep We just

690
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: writing now more than ever in this here black people.

691
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: We just got to keep kicking.

692
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 7: Is a very important piece of literature, especially for the

693
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Speaker 7: youth right. I heard that it's gonna be a book

694
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Speaker 7: of series. This is the first book, yes writing more. Yes,

695
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Speaker 7: is it gonna be You're gonna change it up. It's

696
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 7: gonna be the same storyline like a continuous story, or it's.

697
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:23,280
Speaker 4: Gonna be the same main characters like Bowleie Cooper as

698
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 4: our black version of Perry Mason.

699
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: And what people don't realize Jess is man.

700
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 4: Perry Mason was written by Aaron Stanley in the nineteen

701
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 4: twenties and nineteen thirties. So one hundred years later, we

702
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: are still talking about Perry Mason. They're still making movies

703
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: based on that character. So I would hope that you

704
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 4: know we were our children children will be talking about

705
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 4: Bollie Cooper and his investigator Cape saying, you know, Princess Avarez,

706
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 4: the smart Hispanic sister from Puerto Rico, who's on his team,

707
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 4: who a lawyer, and all that kind of stuff, because

708
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: we want to have our heroes people look like us.

709
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 4: And so we are cautiously optimistic that the book is

710
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 4: selling great.

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00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: I want you know about books, keep going and keep

712
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: buying them.

713
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 4: Tell everybody who's listening, go right now and go to

714
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 4: Amazon barsing over your black bookstores. Are they audit because

715
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 4: the more people buy, the more opportunity we have to

716
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 4: keep writing books about our cases, our stories.

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Speaker 2: This is my last question.

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Speaker 5: At this stage in your life and career, what does

719
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Speaker 5: this book represent for you personally?

720
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Speaker 2: Is it a warning? Is it a release or or

721
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: a legacy move?

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Speaker 4: I think it's a combination of warning and legacy. And

723
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Speaker 4: the reason it's a warning, Charlemagne, is that Bolie Cooper,

724
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Speaker 4: even though they got so many things pointing to the truth,

725
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 4: the point where this black man should get justice, his

726
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 4: family should get justice. It doesn't matter. The system doesn't

727
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: care about the truth. The system cares about the system,

728
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 4: and what we have to understand is that we have

729
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 4: to make sure our young people are more intelligent than

730
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 4: those who will seek to oppress them. That's what this

731
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 4: book is about. The warning in the legacy because you

732
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 4: hear how bro Lee in them. Even though they denying

733
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 4: the man bail, even though he's paralyzed, they want to

734
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 4: put him in prison because not only are they trying

735
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,719
Speaker 4: to kill him, they trying to kill the truth and

736
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 4: everything about it. Just like with George Floyd when they

737
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,240
Speaker 4: assassinated him, they had to assassinate his character.

738
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Speaker 1: And so that's the one piece.

739
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: But the legacy piece of it is this man I love,

740
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 4: and please write reviews black people. A lot of writers said,

741
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: publishing company, you know, they part of American coaching. I

742
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 4: remember the movie where Philadelphia, where Denzel Washington says that

743
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: famous line he said, in this court room everything is colorblind,

744
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 4: and he said, jeedge regrettably, we don't live in this

745
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 4: courtroom in America.

746
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: Publishing companies everything.

747
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 4: They go by what they see happening, and so we

748
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 4: need people writing reviews on good Reads and Amazon. And

749
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Speaker 4: one of the best things this lady said to me

750
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: after reading the book, and I don't want to give

751
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 4: it away because it got a legal a lot of

752
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 4: twisting turns, plots and everything changes, she said, and she

753
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 4: was crying. We've been having these this worse than a

754
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 4: lot of Book two. We've been going to all these cities.

755
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: We were at Howard Law School last night. We're gonna

756
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 4: be at Newark, New Jersey Symphony Hall tonight with Mayor

757
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 4: Rod's Baraka. But she said, Attorney Crump is so happy

758
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 4: to read your book into where we can find black

759
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: joy in each other. She said, that's where she took

760
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 4: away from it, and that made me feel like it

761
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: is why we do this. The fact that there was

762
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 4: one reviewer who said this was a great legal thriller

763
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 4: novel written by us for us, about us, our struggles,

764
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 4: our community, and our victories and our gods.

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Speaker 1: And I said, wow.

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Speaker 4: I mean people are writing their reviews on their own,

767
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: and that's what heartens me. But we got to write

768
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 4: those reviews, as Charlemagne knows, and everybody wrote a book

769
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 4: because you can't trust their numbers and stuff always. But

770
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 4: when you see the reviews keep coming in, you're like, no, Na,

771
00:43:53,760 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: somebody somebody reading the book, and so I thank you all, Charlemagne, Lauren, Envy, Jess, Queen,

772
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: y'all were in this together.

773
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

774
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely appreciate you always into the phone.

775
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 6: I'm just seeing her thinking like you've been doing a

776
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 6: lot of things, but you always enter the phone for us,

777
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 6: right hey, Lauren.

778
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 4: And I appreciate the cause when we're trying to use

779
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 4: our platforms to help our people tell our stories.

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Speaker 1: So you keep doing what you do.

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Speaker 3: Queen Attorney Benjamin Crump, It's the Breakfast Club.

782
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,320
Speaker 2: Good morning, thank you, yes.

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00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: Sir, every day a week ago up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Finished for y'all. Done,