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Speaker 1: What would you talk about on your on your podcast.

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Speaker 1: Firm Elvis presents fifteen minute morning show podcast with your

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Speaker 1: regulars in the house. There's Gandhi and Scary and Scotty

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Speaker 1: B and Froggy's here, and there's Danielle, and there's Nate

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Speaker 1: and our guests are here. But I want to get

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Speaker 1: all the names of your stuff. Where the fund did

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Speaker 1: there stuff go? Thank you the authors of the book

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know, and of course

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Speaker 1: the podcast with the same name, Noel Brown and Ben

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Speaker 1: Bolinger here, Thanks for coming in. Thanks for having Nolan

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Speaker 1: and Ben. I couldn't remember the name of the book.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a mouthful, especially when you say at the

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Speaker 1: acronym std w y t K fast. Yeah. You know.

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Speaker 1: Uh when we we got started off then uh are

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Speaker 1: at our pal Matt Frederick, who sends his regards to everybody.

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Speaker 1: He uh we we thought we would be fired within

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Speaker 1: two weeks of creating this show. Uh. And if we

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Speaker 1: could do it all again right, no, uh, we would

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Speaker 1: have picked a buch shorter name because stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know just cost us all so much

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Speaker 1: time to hear. I like it too. Thank you. If

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Speaker 1: it's too much for you to figure out, then maybe

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Speaker 1: it's not for you. It's also very clear what the

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Speaker 1: podcast is. I think keep it. We also need the

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Speaker 1: book the same thing because for that very reason, before

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Speaker 1: we get into the juice of your podcast in your book,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the art of podcasts now. In choosing it,

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Speaker 1: because I gotta come up with a podcast soon as

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Speaker 1: you know, um, and choosing the name for a podcast.

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Speaker 1: It should shouldn't just be what it is it rather

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Speaker 1: than some weird like word that may or may not

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Speaker 1: mean any saying yes, yes, I I like the idea

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Speaker 1: of I like the idea of kiss. You know, keep

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Speaker 1: it simple, stupid on some of these things. Right, Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you'll hear someone like fall in love with the word

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Speaker 1: and they'll say they'll say, they'll say, well, this this

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Speaker 1: podcast is entirely about my opinion of movies from uh

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Speaker 1: teen seventy three for some reason, that's the hard cut

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Speaker 1: off specific right right, And I'm like, hey, well, what's

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Speaker 1: the name of Italy? And they're like, it's called aggressively

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Speaker 1: Saturday nine? Yeah? Why why right? Why here? Guys? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm glad they named it that, so I

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Speaker 1: know what not to listen to. Yes, just so think

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Speaker 1: about it. Even like the little tile, you know what

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Speaker 1: They call it a tile. When you look at these

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Speaker 1: environments like iTunes or stitch or whatever, you're looking at

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Speaker 1: a sea of these things. So you better be clear

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Speaker 1: visually and the name better really quickly giving an idea

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Speaker 1: That makes sense because there's so many things to choose from,

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Speaker 1: and if it doesn't hit you like right away, interest

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Speaker 1: you your life to move on. If I could go

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Speaker 1: back years ago and just get every single one word name,

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Speaker 1: I would, you know what I mean, I'd go up.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like, whoops, is a good one? Right then?

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Speaker 1: You know who. I don't know whether there's a podcast

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Speaker 1: called yes with an exclamation point, but that was a

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Speaker 1: great idea. Risk Actually, like the game No, risk is great.

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Speaker 1: It's a storytelling. I gotta say, I heard your previous

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Speaker 1: described it as your first art role playing games. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the podcast. Mine would be Somebody Farted like that, it's

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Speaker 1: really a podcast. I would you could fill in the place.

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Speaker 1: It would be a podcast about someone did something. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a mystery who it was. Here's we figured

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Speaker 1: out who did it? Can I say? Since you brought

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Speaker 1: up the furries. One of my favorite bonkers conspiracy theory

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Speaker 1: can say it. America is fluent in conspiracy. Right. It

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Speaker 1: There is an over white, overweight part my Freudian overweight

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Speaker 1: he'll leave you stuff you don't like. And that's a conspiracy, right,

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Speaker 1: this topic did you tackle that actually opened the floodgates?

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Speaker 1: doesn't matter what administration we're talking about. Um, they're are

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