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Speaker 1: joining us on today's show from the NFL Network, Charles

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Drey McBride, He's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 1: Okay, before we get to Charles and Cynthia, some news

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Speaker 5: Awfully, cont I appreciate you saying that, Thank you very

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Speaker 3: As someone who's covered many teams in the NFL. Cardinals

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting because when I met Mike, he

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Speaker 5: goes back, retools, something about going around Sean mcvandon rams

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Speaker 5: isn't there right. I'm just I have told people that.

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Speaker 5: All that I've heard that from veteran coaches. Okay, Like

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Speaker 3: Former Sean McVay offensive coordinators who have gone on to

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Speaker 3: How are they doing that?

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Speaker 5: I do think that the way that Sean teaches evaluates

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's just one name. I can go with

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Speaker 5: But isn't that wild because we're usually talking about a

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Speaker 1: Mike is walking in offensively. Certainly there's a question mark

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Speaker 3: free agency will hit pretty soon. Is there a position

435
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Speaker 3: room where maybe it's a stronger free agency glass because

436
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Speaker 3: you have to take that in consideration when you're starting

437
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Speaker 3: to plan who you might want to draft.

438
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Speaker 4: Yeah, up in.

439
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 5: April, absolutely, And you know, I haven't studied free agency

440
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,520
Speaker 5: the way I need to, so I apologize for that.

441
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 5: All I know is that each and every year there's

442
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 5: gonna be a couple of targets out there that everybody's

443
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 5: going to be chasing and wanting and getting. The hit

444
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 5: rate that New England had last year in free agency

445
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:02,359
Speaker 5: is not normal. Guys know that free agency is a tough,

446
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 5: tough deal because oftentimes, as we know, you're not letting

447
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 5: good players out of the buildings somehow, right, So those

448
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,880
Speaker 5: who become free agents, are they bringing something with them?

449
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 5: Is it injury?

450
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: Is it?

451
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:12,879
Speaker 2: This?

452
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: Is it that?

453
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 5: But if you're the Cardinals, you are in a position

454
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 5: right now that to me, everywhere you look is that possibility?

455
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 5: Who do you have highly rated? Do they fit what

456
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 5: you're looking for? Is that a person you're thinking you

457
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 5: wanted them to be a Cardinal? Go get them and

458
00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,639
Speaker 5: keep building because you know, New England just kind of

459
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,199
Speaker 5: skewed it for everyone last year. But it's so funny,

460
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 5: isn't it? Because Bill Belichick's last year, so you remember

461
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 5: how much they spent in free agency a few years

462
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,639
Speaker 5: before that, Hunter Henry's only one left and that was

463
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Speaker 5: what twenty twenty two, twenty one, there's only one left

464
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: out of that group didn't work, didn't work out. This

465
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,480
Speaker 5: one worked for New England, so.

466
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Speaker 1: We bring it full circle here. Might not see you

467
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 1: at the Arizona Cardinals facility in Tempe. Still could see

468
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:55,600
Speaker 1: you though in Tempeed down the road and Arizona State.

469
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Speaker 5: I hope, so, I certainly hope. So I used to

470
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Speaker 5: do games there and look forward to getting back to

471
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 5: to that opportunity. So I hope some big ten teams

472
00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,399
Speaker 5: come rolling in there and I get to come with

473
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Speaker 5: them and watch it.

474
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Speaker 1: Always a pleasure, Charles, and look forward to this each

475
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Speaker 1: and every year.

476
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Speaker 5: Thank you very much. Thank you guys both very much.

477
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 5: You guys are wonderful and wishing nothing but the best.

478
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: Appreciate it.

479
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,479
Speaker 1: So before we get into the numbers, because that's very

480
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Speaker 1: important to you this week in general, yep, how important

481
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Speaker 1: in what you do talking with people, whether it's coaches,

482
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: general managers, personnel people, or maybe more so of the prospects,

483
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: where do you kind of lean more than one direction

484
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 1: or another.

485
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 6: Well, in this particular draft class, I think it's really

486
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 6: important to understand the philosophies of the ten new head

487
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 6: coaches because we usually don't have that many. So ultimately,

488
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 6: what are they looking for what's their definition of like

489
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 6: a cardinal for example, or you know, now a raven

490
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,600
Speaker 6: or a Steeler like we haven't. Those aren't teams that

491
00:24:56,640 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 6: we've seen switch very often. So a lot of thesehilosophical shifts.

492
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 6: I'm trying to understand what they're valuing in some of

493
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 6: the prospects because we have all these changed head coaches

494
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 6: at the same time. That and I'm very vocal about

495
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,880
Speaker 6: hating the transfer portal, but one of the things about

496
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 6: the transfer portal that has happened is playbooks in college

497
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 6: have gotten thinner because as these kids move around. Kids

498
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,640
Speaker 6: back in my day get off my lawn, but these,

499
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 6: you know, as the players move around there, it looks

500
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 6: like at least unable to run more complicated offenses.

501
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 4: So you're looking at a thinner resume, and now you have.

502
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Speaker 6: A whole bunch of new philosophical decisions to make.

503
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 4: And that's all happening at the same time.

504
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 6: So as much as I love the measuring, it's great, no, okay,

505
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 6: But I mean, as much as we all know that

506
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 6: it doesn't really inform as much as their film does,

507
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 6: I'm really interested to understand how coaches are viewing all

508
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 6: the different prospects because I don't there's a lot of

509
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 6: tweeners when it comes to edge rushers, which you know,

510
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,800
Speaker 6: there isn't like a guy who are like this guy's

511
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 6: the prototype necessarily. There's a lot of like the offensive lineman,

512
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, could they play right tackle or are they

513
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 6: only left? Like there's a lot of questions that I

514
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 6: don't know because in past years we would have seen,

515
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 6: you know, shifts in the same system over time. Now

516
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 6: they're just like, well, I'm gonna go to just different school.

517
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go over here, and I want to do that.

518
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 6: Like okay, great, but like I don't know what you

519
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 6: could do at the next level yet. So I'm I'm

520
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 6: that's what I'm more interested in this particular combine.

521
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 3: As someone who covers all thirty two teams throughout the season,

522
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: what were your major takeaways from the Cardinals in twenty

523
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 3: twenty five and the foundational aspects they can build upon

524
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: with the new head coach in twenty twenty six.

525
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that there's I think there's some underrated

526
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 6: factors about the So So, first of all, I'm gonna

527
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 6: address the elephant in the room, and I you got

528
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,639
Speaker 6: to figure out your quarterback, and so I don't know

529
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 6: what the answer. You guys probably have way more insight

530
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 6: as to what's gonna happen into that than than anyone,

531
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 6: but I so you know, figure that out first. So

532
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 6: now let's put that question aside. That I really obviously

533
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 6: have a very very special tight end, which is great.

534
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 6: You've got some nice pieces to help catch passes. And

535
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 6: I think the defense is underrated in terms of if

536
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 6: they were all playing. I don't know when it comes

537
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 6: to health, that's unlucky in many ways. But I think

538
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 6: if you would have seen the pieces that were put

539
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 6: together all on the field a little more often together,

540
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 6: I think the defense would have looked a lot bit better.

541
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 6: I'm also like the world's biggest Buddha baker stand so like.

542
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 4: So are we okay?

543
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, so is everyone in Arizona, right, So I'm going

544
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 6: to tell you, like, I mean, he's just special. So

545
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 6: but some of the other I feel like, I don't

546
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 6: know the injury minutes. I'm sure you guys know that

547
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 6: offhand more than me. But there was just a lot

548
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 6: of missing pieces. So I found myself when I was

549
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 6: rewatching the film being.

550
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 4: Like, who's this guy again?

551
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 6: Like what's going and I just was I was disappointed

552
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 6: with what the defense fielded versus what it looked like

553
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 6: they were going to be able to do on paper.

554
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a lot of moving parts on both

555
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: sides of the line of scrimmage as far as personnel offensively,

556
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: and yes, who knows what's gonna happen with quarterback, but

557
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: you bring in an offensive minded head coach Micha lafor

558
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: under the Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVay tree yep, projecting how

559
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: much could what Mike did or learn from in San Francisco, La,

560
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: even Atlanta can be brought to Arizona.

561
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 6: Well, to me, a lot of that, you know, O

562
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 6: line and and quarterback really dictate a lot of that.

563
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 6: I think, you know, I think like the sum of

564
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 6: the parts and the like and what each one of

565
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 6: these parts are. I think they're evaluating everything very very

566
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 6: like you know, each one individually and then how they

567
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 6: all work together. And I think that's really important because

568
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 6: I think what you're looking at from you know, what

569
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 6: do I want my quarterback to do? And is he

570
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 6: equipped to do it? Do I have the things around

571
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 6: him to support the strategies that I believe in and

572
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 6: I don't. I don't know what the answer is because

573
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 6: I don't I haven't talked to any Laffler's at this

574
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 6: cop you said the least like a one laffleur but whatever.

575
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 6: But but I haven't talked to either one. But ultimately

576
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 6: it's like, do you have the pieces to be able

577
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 6: to do that? I don't know what the answer is

578
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 6: because I don't know when he's looking at you know,

579
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 6: how much does he want to run the ball?

580
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 4: How much? I don't know what the like.

581
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 6: I'm sure in his head he has I want to

582
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 6: do X Y Z on first out, I want to

583
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 6: do These are my ideal situations. I'm very curious to

584
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 6: learn what happens.

585
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 4: Regardless of quarterback.

586
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 3: Got to keep him up right, clean pocket offensive line

587
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: is a high position of need for the Cardinals as

588
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 3: his edge rusher, and that's been the big discussion at

589
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 3: pick number three with the Cardinals. Although you were one

590
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 3: of the first to mock a defensive player to Arizona, why.

591
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 6: Well, I think in large part, I'm sure some of

592
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 6: those injuries, maybe it's better to reset with a new

593
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 6: I don't know. I'm just looking at areas of need

594
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 6: and what was there last year or not there and

595
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 6: what's available. I like a few of the offensive linemen

596
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,719
Speaker 6: a lot, and I did a whole master's thesis on

597
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 6: on linemen, so you know, I'm all into that. But

598
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 6: until I know what the strategy is from the offense,

599
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 6: picking which one is harder than to say. This edge

600
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 6: rusher has very very like you're in a really hard division,

601
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 6: Like it's not an easy division. You need to bring

602
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 6: the quarterback down. It needs to be of utmost importance.

603
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 6: So that's part of how that fit together. I'm kind

604
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 6: of like, let's just it's a new regime. Figure out

605
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 6: what you want to do to make your to put

606
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 6: your stake in the ground going forward.

607
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 1: So what have you noticed, because it's always the debate

608
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: here is do you protect the quarterback or do you

609
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback? Right? Do you have a feeling

610
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 1: one way or the other is when you dive into

611
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: the numbers, what is better for a particular team or

612
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: I know, we see what the Eagles did won a

613
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl with edge rushers. Seahawks won a Super Bowl

614
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: with edge rushers. But we also hear that you got

615
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: to score points as well.

616
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 6: I mean the Eagles also had you know, lane Johnson

617
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 6: and a really darn good O line, and I would

618
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 6: argue the Seahawks O line pretty darn good as well.

619
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 6: I mean, they drafted Gray's able last year, and as

620
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 6: far as left guards go, I know, it's not like

621
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 6: the sexiest of physicians. He played pretty darn well for

622
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 6: a rookie and in general, not just even for a rookie.

623
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Speaker 6: So I think the combination you have to, you know,

624
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 6: the scales of justice, you kind of kind a way

625
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 6: which one where the better opportunity is. I will say

626
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 6: I think that there are gonna be some free agent olignment.

627
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 6: They're gonna cost a pretty penny, but at least they're

628
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 6: known quantities that could be something interesting that would help

629
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 6: any O line. So some of those it's it's mapping

630
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 6: free agency to what's available in the draft. Now if don't,

631
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 6: I don't think any Cardinals fan should be upset. You know,

632
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 6: it looks like Maui goa, but it's Mawan Noah Francis Malwanoa.

633
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 6: I trust me, I've gotten I've gotten riemed differ for this.

634
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 6: But uh, that guy, he's twenty years old, is a

635
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 6: big old He's gonna measure I think he will measure

636
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 6: I think over sixty six. So no one's gonna be

637
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 6: mad he's out of Miami. No, no Cardinals fan should

638
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 6: be mad. If that's who you take, that's a good pick.

639
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 4: Too, Cynthia.

640
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 3: Math and analytics are one of your many strong suits.

641
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 3: And as someone who that is not even remotely close

642
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: to my strong so you're like a math wizard. Big picture,

643
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 3: what trends did you see in twenty twenty five? Maybe

644
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: from personnel packages, you know what teams were doing on

645
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,040
Speaker 3: third down or in the red zone, and what are

646
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 3: you projecting to see in twenty twenty six.

647
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 6: Well, we saw a lot of teams use like like

648
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 6: good teams, let's put it this way, be able to

649
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 6: get after the quarterback rushing just four. Right, that's what Seahawks.

650
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 6: That's what they lived on, right, They barely blitzed. They

651
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Speaker 6: were able to drop seven defensive backs into or seven

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Speaker 6: people into coverage. They all became defensive backs at that point,

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Speaker 6: and they were able to use a lot of nickel

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Speaker 6: dime all of it. And with so much emphasis on

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Speaker 6: passing in the league, I think that's part of what

656
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Speaker 6: was really helpful for them. Now, when you have a

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Speaker 6: versatal player that can all stop the run because what

658
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Speaker 6: will happen is it will always swing back and forth. Right,

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Speaker 6: So if you're gonna give me seven defensive backs dropped

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Speaker 6: to coverage, I'm going to run the football.

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Speaker 4: I think outside rushing will be back.

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Speaker 6: For a past couple of years, people have only really

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Speaker 6: rushed to the inside, a lot of duo, a lot

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Speaker 6: of inside rushing. I think we'll see a lot of outside,

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Speaker 6: more outside zone again this year because I just think

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Speaker 6: the pendulum switches as they basically where are you putting

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Speaker 6: your linebackers because we're gonna do the opposite, and so

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Speaker 6: I think it's it's probably time to see the more

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Speaker 6: outside zone rushing.

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Speaker 1: Always the pleasure to sit down with you, Cynthia. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, I remember a year ago ye family

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Speaker 1: in Arizona. So there are some Cardinal fans. Oh yeah

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Speaker 1: in Tucson.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, they came up. We went to training camp this

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Speaker 6: past year. We had so much fun at training camp.

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Speaker 6: My mom was like, like, loves training camp. Who knows,

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Speaker 6: like anyways, but uh but yeah, so she will Hopefully

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Speaker 6: I'll get to go away. I don't know, I don't

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Speaker 6: know where I work. You know, NFL Network, ESPN, like

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Speaker 6: who knows. Hopefully they'll send us back to training camps

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Speaker 6: like we've been doing in years past, because that's always

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Speaker 6: my favorite time the year, is visiting every single team

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Speaker 6: once they have their players and you get to kind

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Speaker 6: of see how things are unfolding. But so let's hope,

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Speaker 6: you know, let's hope that whoever I work for decides

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Speaker 6: to send us there Fingers crossed.

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Speaker 1: We see you in we see you in Glendale for

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Speaker 1: Cardinals training camp in Cynthia's family as well, So appreciate again,

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Speaker 1: I know it's a busy week, but look forward to

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Speaker 1: what this off season might hold. Three Arizona Cardinals for

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Speaker 1: sure really appreciate Charles and Cynthia joining us here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals cover too, and hope to see Cynthia again for

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Speaker 1: training camp and for no other reason, Danny and the

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Speaker 1: fact that she'll be able to visit her parents who

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Speaker 1: live in Tucson. A nice way in which when you

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Speaker 1: work in this industry, when a business trip also can

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Speaker 1: be a family trip. If the parents make their way

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Speaker 1: up north to Glendale and State Farm Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it would be a lot of fun for them.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure it's always fun to come up from Tucson

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Speaker 3: and be closer to the team that they're fans of

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Speaker 3: and cheering for. So hopefully it all works out for her.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm not sure if you notice this

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Speaker 1: or not. As we ended our last show this week

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Speaker 1: on Monday, we talked about Jordan Reed and the mock

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Speaker 1: draft that he was going to post and release, and

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Speaker 1: our thoughts that we were going to see Jeremiah Love

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Speaker 1: linked to the Cardinals or mocked to the Cardinals at

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Speaker 1: number three didn't happen. I'll get to that in a moment.

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Speaker 1: But Charles Davis mocked Jeremiah Love to the Cardinals and

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Speaker 1: his mock draft two point zero. He had Francis Malinoah

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Speaker 1: in his first mock, but the second he wrote, the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals have many needs, but adding arguably the best player

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Speaker 1: in the draft is a terrific starting points. And again

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Speaker 1: you cannot deny the talent is just positional value when

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Speaker 1: you have the third overall pick.

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Speaker 3: If the Cardinals address the offensive line and free agency,

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Speaker 3: I mean truly address it, you are bringing studs and

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Speaker 3: that's where the attention and the money goes in free agency.

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Speaker 3: I can understand the argument of drafting Jeremiah Love I'm

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Speaker 3: not saying you draft a running back it would have

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Speaker 3: to be Love because he is, in the eyes of

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Speaker 3: many draft analysts, the best player available in this entire

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Speaker 3: draft class. And if you want to look, I mean

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Speaker 3: blessing and a curse. Cardinals have a lot of positions

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Speaker 3: of need, not just at possible starters with who's expected

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Speaker 3: to hit the market, but also in depth, and running

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Speaker 3: back is a room. James Connor is under contract, He's

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Speaker 3: about to be thirty one. He's coming off a gnarly

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Speaker 3: ankle injury. Now. He's had back to back thousand yard

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Speaker 3: rushing seasons in recent years here in Arizona, so there's

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Speaker 3: a good chance he comes back, and he's still a baller.

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Speaker 3: You need more than Connor in that room, though, And

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Speaker 3: in the two years he's been here, Trey Benson has

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Speaker 3: had limited snaps because of injury. I'm not sure he

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Speaker 3: has shown enough in those snaps to make you fully

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Speaker 3: trust that he could carry the reins himself. And almost

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Speaker 3: every other running back in that room is a pending

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Speaker 3: free agent. Now, the question is who would block for Love?

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Speaker 3: So if offensive line is not addressed in free agency,

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Speaker 3: you have to understand where teams are and it's not

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Speaker 3: always as simple as draft good ballplayers, because again, what

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Speaker 3: good would Jeremiah Love be if he doesn't have a

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Speaker 3: stout offensive line blocking for him. So I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of my thoughts personally on drafting Love at three

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Speaker 3: will be based upon the moves in free agency, which

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Speaker 3: the new leagu year begins Wednesday, March eleven, so that's

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Speaker 3: when you will start to see official transactions and official

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Speaker 3: moves with free agents. The depth that edge rusher is

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Speaker 3: what really allows that conversation to take place. Another high

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Speaker 3: position of need for the Cardinals, has a lot more

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Speaker 3: depth than pretty much any other position in this.

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Speaker 1: Draft class, and that's where Jordan Reid went ESPN NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft analysts with his mock draft this week that he

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Speaker 1: dropped on Tuesday. He has the Cardinals selecting David Bailey,

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Speaker 1: the edge rusher out of Texas Tech. Nineteen and a

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Speaker 1: half tackles for loss, fourteen and a half sacks. Reid

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Speaker 1: writes he is a quick accelerator of the starting blocks

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Speaker 1: and his first step allows him to race past blockers

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Speaker 1: with ease. Bailey is relentless, creates negative plays, and is

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Speaker 1: able to rack up sacks in bunches. So that was

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Speaker 1: what Reid had the Cardinals doing at number three. The

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Speaker 1: surprise that perhaps Jordan was hinting at when we spoke

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Speaker 1: with him in Indianapolis is a proposed trade back into

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Speaker 1: Round one with the Houston Texans, who have the twenty

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Speaker 1: eighth overall pick. Cardinals would give up their second round

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Speaker 1: pick and a fourth round selection to move up to

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Speaker 1: twenty eight and select Ty Simpson quarterback at Alabama, And

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Speaker 1: certainly with the news that Kyler Murray is no longer

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Speaker 1: in a Z or won't as of next week. Now,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've landed your franchise quarterback. That

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Speaker 1: is something that I think is a little bit more realistic,

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Speaker 1: at least to me, Danny, when you talk about going

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Speaker 1: back into the first round, you get that fifth year

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Speaker 1: option attached to that player. Quarterback is something that is

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Speaker 1: going to be talked a lot about, whether it's the

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Speaker 1: year or next year, because you need that franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: And right now you've got Jacoby Brissett, and you've got

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Speaker 1: Keiden Slovas and some question marks where this team moves

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Speaker 1: within that run within that quarterback position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, look, all options are on the table.

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Speaker 3: I don't necessarily feel that the official it's unofficially official

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Speaker 3: of announcement of Kyler Murray not being here really changes

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Speaker 3: what you would do at number three, because regardless of

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Speaker 3: who is that quarterback, you need offensive line blocking for them.

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Speaker 3: You need a more formidable defense and a better pass

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Speaker 3: rush than you had last year to get your offense

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Speaker 3: back on the field. But they have options, which is

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Speaker 3: again blessing and occurse at number three.

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Speaker 1: Found it interesting that when you look at Reid's mock draft,

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Speaker 1: the first offensive tackle off the board is a new name,

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Speaker 1: Georgia's Monroe Freeling, who tested very well with the scouting Combine.

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Speaker 1: He goes to the Cleveland Browns at number six. Doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a lot of starts, but his measurables are something

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Speaker 1: that has a lot of scouts excited. Does that mean

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Speaker 1: sites a lot of NFL teams? Who knows, But again,

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Speaker 1: the mock drafts are here. We are deep into mock

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Speaker 1: draft season, at the scouting combine is behind us, and

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Speaker 1: certainly some moves to be made with respects to where

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Speaker 1: teams build, whether that is free agency, and then you

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Speaker 1: get to the draft at the end of April. So again,

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed our conversations with Charles Davis and Cynthia Freeland.

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Speaker 1: Still more to come, because as I like to do,

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Speaker 1: I made Danny work a little bit in Indianapolis, although

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Speaker 1: not as much as perhaps years past. So the number

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Speaker 1: was eleven, right, We spoke to eleven different people, and

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Speaker 1: then I would include you have spoke to more because

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Speaker 1: you had two sit downs with the head coach and

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Speaker 1: then one with the gentle manager. So that was so

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Speaker 1: you did more than I.

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Speaker 3: And multiple TV segments for Harner's bird Watch by Darren

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Speaker 3: didn't think I was the hardest worker at the combine,

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Speaker 3: which shocks me because I did the most.

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Speaker 4: Work on paper.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you have not seen the latest

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Speaker 1: episode of Cardinals bird Watch, it is a much see

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Speaker 1: because not only does it cover the groundbreaking of the

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Speaker 1: new performance facility and business offices, but also Danny's time

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. So excellent to see and you can catch

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Speaker 1: that on Acycardinals dot com if you missed it on

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Speaker 1: Arizona's Family. So yes, Danny Serek is a hard worker.

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Speaker 1: She is the hardest worker within the Arizona Cardinals content team.

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Speaker 1: And you can clip that if you want, Cody for

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Speaker 1: future pregame shows coming up in twenty twenty six, and

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Speaker 1: on that notes, we will put a lid on this

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Speaker 1: edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, proud partner

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Speaker 1: of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks to our

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Speaker 1: executive producer Jim Amandro, our associate producer Cody Fincher. For

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Speaker 1: Danny Serek, I'm Pregrielou. We'll talk to you next time

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Speaker 1: here on Cardinals Cover two