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Speaker 1: is the wives and women of country music. Women who
Speaker 1: are married to some of the biggest stars in country music,
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Speaker 1: She worked at Warner Brothers Records, where she ended up
Speaker 1: meeting Dan. They fell in love. Their stories incredible and
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Speaker 1: We're here in the doghouse, my friend, my friend, this
Speaker 1: is the one doghouse you actually want to be in.
Speaker 1: It is a good doghouse. Is full of dogs at
Speaker 1: different and different number of dogs, just depending on the
Speaker 1: day that we have three right now, they knew we're
Speaker 1: talking about probably going to hear them trying to talk
Speaker 1: to over the squirrels. There are squirrels that run along
Speaker 1: the top of the fence and that is what they
Speaker 1: talk to. So this is their day. Are they hunting
Speaker 1: those squirrels? Are they were protecting? If they want to
Speaker 1: be friends at the squirrels or if they like hate
Speaker 1: the squirrels, I don't know. I don't have any answer,
Speaker 1: but it's like urgent and there's a lot of squirrels.
Speaker 1: It's like an all day thing, all day long. I
Speaker 1: think about that sometimes, like I think about dog World
Speaker 1: and I think about my dogs and what Sugar gets
Speaker 1: fired up about. And I'm like, and she was like
Speaker 1: thinking her all about that. It's stress, like real stress.
Speaker 1: And see you can see it. There's another one okay,
Speaker 1: and you can also see my dirty windows. Hey, I
Speaker 1: never washed my windows. I don't even know where. How
Speaker 1: do you do you have to call someone? I think
Speaker 1: you call someone? Being a homeowner, I'm like, how is
Speaker 1: there Emmanuel finding a home whatever? My dad is staying
Speaker 1: with us. He always comes up with something to do
Speaker 1: and I'm like, how do you know to do these things?
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, you just do them. I
Speaker 1: was like, but I don't know. One ever told me
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, what do you how do I know?
Speaker 1: I'm like, should I have? Like he was like, did
Speaker 1: you get your unit tuned? I was like, what does
Speaker 1: that even? Your unit? What's a unit? What am I tuning?
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, Dan tunes? What does it mean? Shouldn't
Speaker 1: say that word things all the time? Um, I guess
Speaker 1: it's like your h v A C unit, which is
Speaker 1: your heater. I was supposed to get it tuned twice
Speaker 1: a year. It's never been tuned. You're supposed to get
Speaker 1: it tuned twice a year. That's what he told me.
Speaker 1: How do you find it? H V? How do you
Speaker 1: find a heat or tuner? I don't know. I'm telling
Speaker 1: you adulting it is. It's so hard. It's a blessing
Speaker 1: and I'm great wold to be here, but I'm like,
Speaker 1: help help Sarah hotline. I know I was having I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember who I had this conversation with the
Speaker 1: other day. Oh, it was a total stranger, a complete stranger.
Speaker 1: I was having the conversation. She was visiting from Kansas
Speaker 1: City Nashville, and so since I'm from Kansas City, we
Speaker 1: were discussing that and then her pipes burst at the
Speaker 1: house because it was snowing, and and she was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do. And I said, call
Speaker 1: your dad, and she was like, I'm going because I was,
Speaker 1: I don't have an answer. I don't call your dad. Truly,
Speaker 1: it is just like one thing aftergether. We had to
Speaker 1: get a new roof right when moved in in a
Speaker 1: new heater. Had no idea. Sorry, you're fine. I had
Speaker 1: no idea that was going to happen, just like, okay,
Speaker 1: wham bam, just kick it right off. Those are expensive things,
Speaker 1: expensive things. So how did you get into dogs? Like
Speaker 1: when did you first find your big love? And my
Speaker 1: big love of dogs and loved dogs dogs have been
Speaker 1: I always say that I am convinced that I was
Speaker 1: a dog at some point. Definitely what I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what kind, but mixed. Definitely a mixed
Speaker 1: kind of girl. Definitely a hybrid, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: like exactly which breed. Definitely not any of the breeds
Speaker 1: I have. I don't like that. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't connect with their personality. I connect with them as beings,
Speaker 1: but I don't understand their personal Okay, So Chiefs is
Speaker 1: like we didn't know when we named him Chief that
Speaker 1: we were naming him exactly what he should be. Yes,
Speaker 1: we were naming him Chief because his rescue name was
Speaker 1: Natchez and I wanted to stick with the theme. And
Speaker 1: I'm from Kansas City to the Kansas City. Chiefs was
Speaker 1: like Chief perfect. Then his personality came out and he
Speaker 1: is the boss as anyone who knows well he thinks
Speaker 1: he's a little sergeant. Yes, Joy is actually the boss.
Speaker 1: But Chief has like this big personality and he's just
Speaker 1: like really worked up all the time. He's really work
Speaker 1: works up all the time. Our squirrels like one of
Speaker 1: the major ones that work him out, So squirrels don't
Speaker 1: bother him. He's just like in his own head. He's
Speaker 1: just regularly he's an existential crisis kind of guy, like
Speaker 1: as something is happening in his head. So this is
Speaker 1: a white house and he's like on protection lot and
Speaker 1: he's just like he is just on edge, and but
Speaker 1: it's definitely all in his brain, like he the other
Speaker 1: two will react to like the squirrel outside or like
Speaker 1: people walking by the house. He is just like in
Speaker 1: his own head, he's just very angsty as I call
Speaker 1: him okay and then Ghost, I wish that I was Ghost.
Speaker 1: Ghost is happy all the time. Why did he was
Speaker 1: chained outside for four and a half years through all
Speaker 1: the season for all the seasons, chained to other dogs
Speaker 1: that were bigger than him, and they would like throw
Speaker 1: food at them. So he was really skinny when we
Speaker 1: got him because he was fighting everyone else for food.
Speaker 1: But despite all of this, he is the happiest dog.
Speaker 1: His tail is always wagging. He's obsessed with toys, Like
Speaker 1: when I give him a new toy, he just can't
Speaker 1: believe it. He's overjoyed by it. So I wish that
Speaker 1: I was Ghost. I wish that I was that happy
Speaker 1: all the time and so overjoyed by just yes, and
Speaker 1: even like when like Chief is being mean to him,
Speaker 1: then he is still so happy. It's like the best enjoy.
Speaker 1: I think if I was one of my dogs, I
Speaker 1: would be joy. I am. My personality is one that
Speaker 1: I can like definitely turn on. I get that, and so,
Speaker 1: but my heart is very as I wear my homebody
Speaker 1: shirt with my heart, and my heart is very introverted.
Speaker 1: But I can turn on my extroverted self. And Joy
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily turn hers on. But she is, I think
Speaker 1: me like she is constantly feeling this struggle of like
Speaker 1: I love people, I want to be around people, but
Speaker 1: I'm terrified of people. So I think Joy and I
Speaker 1: are like the closest. I totally get that, Like I
Speaker 1: feel like I could be such people person and talk
Speaker 1: to anyone. I enjoy people. But does it like deplet time,
Speaker 1: deplete your energy? What is it is? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is, but it can be
Speaker 1: really depleted, I guess because you want to bring your
Speaker 1: best self and you want to like be as great
Speaker 1: as you can, and it's honestly like you have to
Speaker 1: drop all like all the other real stuff going on.
Speaker 1: You can talk about it, but you just have to
Speaker 1: be a thousand per thousand percent and it's hard to
Speaker 1: stay on that level or something. I've been trying, I think,
Speaker 1: like everyone because it's it's really trendy right now. I've
Speaker 1: been trying to understand my angiogram. Talk about it. Whatever
Speaker 1: are you to help? Um? And it makes total sense.
Speaker 1: I get it, but we I've been really trying to
Speaker 1: understand it. And I was posed a question of like
Speaker 1: what I loved about my number and what I hated
Speaker 1: about it? To me about that, and it actually made
Speaker 1: me really emotional when I started to think about it.
Speaker 1: But it goes back to what we were just talking about.
Speaker 1: Is I love that I my number because I think
Speaker 1: it makes me very empathetic and compassionate. UM, And I
Speaker 1: love that part of it, but also it makes me
Speaker 1: have a crippling fear of not being liked. I get that,
Speaker 1: like so crippling and when I was like processing that
Speaker 1: because because you want to help people, Yeah, and your
Speaker 1: biggest fear would be that all your intentions and your
Speaker 1: love is like for not if people don't want like
Speaker 1: and I'm trying, when you're just focused on it like
Speaker 1: that's the other part of the two is kind of
Speaker 1: giving yourself way more than you are probably getting in return,
Speaker 1: which I can handle. But then I think that ties
Speaker 1: into me being fearful of being disliked, and that's and
Speaker 1: so I think that is the thing that maybe makes
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there really depleted, because if I'm really
Speaker 1: afraid of not getting that in return or someone not
Speaker 1: liking who I am, then I might just want to
Speaker 1: retreat and be like here I am in my house.
Speaker 1: But that was so off topic from your original question.
Speaker 1: How do I get into joy? Though? I feel like
Speaker 1: my spirit animals are my dogs too, like they reflect
Speaker 1: your personality. How do you? Okay? So I'm a four
Speaker 1: on the Ange of Theram and it's the romantic and
Speaker 1: it's I feel like it's the worst one I could
Speaker 1: see that because I mean, it's such a beautiful one.
Speaker 1: But it's such a beautiful one. It's all about this
Speaker 1: intense passion, and so when the passion is all positive
Speaker 1: and going great, I'm electric. Electric. The world is magical, sunshine, butterflies.
Speaker 1: Literally you can't even remember a bad thing, And I
Speaker 1: love that when I am in the opposite, like the
Speaker 1: more of this, when you're in your unhealthy part of
Speaker 1: your never, like when I'm like dealing with something or
Speaker 1: like super emotional, it's like the world is over. I
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna get out of here. How
Speaker 1: do I get better? It's raining all the time. So
Speaker 1: interesting though, when you like when someone puts it into
Speaker 1: words for you, and then you feel like you kind
Speaker 1: of understand yourself a little bit more. But just try
Speaker 1: to live in the healthy part of your number, trying
Speaker 1: to do so when you're in your unhealthy part of
Speaker 1: the two. So, say you're at the massive party and
Speaker 1: like all these people are there that you love, but
Speaker 1: it's like, oh gosh, okay, I gotta turn my my
Speaker 1: socializing on what is your fear? And then how do
Speaker 1: you overcome her fear? So my fear in that, I
Speaker 1: guess always just stems back to not being liked for
Speaker 1: who I am, and so I think sometimes I and
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is part of my number
Speaker 1: or not. I haven't I don't know. I haven't gotten
Speaker 1: to that part. But I think that sometimes I fall
Speaker 1: into a habit of being whatever the people around me
Speaker 1: want me to be. That I can do that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I'm just like, because I want to be liked,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be whatever that group of people or
Speaker 1: that person needs me to be. But that's something that
Speaker 1: I always say to Dan and something I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: of him because he does not care. We're getting Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: we're getting a FedEx package and it is about to
Speaker 1: be madness in my house. Okay, dogs gone are going
Speaker 1: to go, so just be prepared for that. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: here we go. Send many of dogs. They might guys.
Speaker 1: You tell him he's boss. Al alright, guys, I think
Speaker 1: they're on. Are they going back to the truck? Are
Speaker 1: go ahead? Good job, dogs, you scared them away. You
Speaker 1: did great o that that timble. You did your job.
Speaker 1: You go back in your chief. I'm very proud of you.
Speaker 1: You're a great regulator. Joy and Ghost went a step
Speaker 1: up there. Did I need to sign for that or
Speaker 1: did they get back in there? Back in Okay, So
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't need to sign for it. Okay, nobody's
Speaker 1: like they would have. I feel like they would have
Speaker 1: stuck around. Okay, but that's all right. We'll come back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I'll check. Okay, let's check. Okay, I'll just do a
Speaker 1: little quick check. Yeah, yeah, you never know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm always excited when I get a package. Okay, great, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's here. Oh. This is why I like this podcast,
Speaker 1: because we're doing real life and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: fun to get a look into people's worlds, like Abby
Speaker 1: with the dog world. Okay, she's signing. She loves it.
Speaker 1: They're all best friends. Oh that was a party. Okay,
Speaker 1: party with the ups and fed Actually, yes, great, so
Speaker 1: they needed you to sign They just knew the name.
Speaker 1: It was uncomfortable and we just had a little love
Speaker 1: session about tequila. No way, this is that weird, and
Speaker 1: people like, yeah, we've been having a discussion of maybe
Speaker 1: we should not be addressing things in our name anymore,
Speaker 1: and that might have been the answer. But it's okay.
Speaker 1: They were very nice. I love the song. They were
Speaker 1: just listening to it, speaking of Okay, we're gonna come
Speaker 1: back to the Instagram because I want to know about this. Okay, party,
Speaker 1: because I want to know speaking of your husband, Dan,
Speaker 1: Dana J had the biggest freaking song ever this year, Tequila,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it. We'll talk about it, Okay,
Speaker 1: Back to the party. Back to the part. So Dan,
Speaker 1: that's what we were discussing. That is something that I
Speaker 1: always tell him that I am so grateful for from
Speaker 1: him because he kind of this was something like I
Speaker 1: think a struggle that I dealt with for so long
Speaker 1: ways being what everyone else wanted to me to be,
Speaker 1: and Dan does is so good about just being himself.
Speaker 1: And of course he cares um very much, especially when
Speaker 1: it comes to his art and his craft, and he
Speaker 1: like definitely cares in that respect what people think. But
Speaker 1: in terms of like I don't know someone like if
Speaker 1: someone says something negative on social media, I'm like affected
Speaker 1: by it for the rest of my life. He never
Speaker 1: thinks about it ever one time. His number UM, He's
Speaker 1: never taken it, but I would guess he's a three
Speaker 1: very I'm very confident that he's a three. Three is
Speaker 1: the achiever UM, and they're kind of validation is by
Speaker 1: being um commended for what they have accomplished. Like their
Speaker 1: their work or their art or their craft or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. So I'm very confident that he is very
Speaker 1: strongly a three. But I'm gonna make him take it definitely. Okay,
Speaker 1: So how do you handle your fear your helper? Your
Speaker 1: helper negative popping up? It's flaring, You're unhealthy helpers flaring.
Speaker 1: I think that honestly, in the last few years, the
Speaker 1: confidence that he has instilled in me to be myself
Speaker 1: has really helped me in that, and that I'm partnered
Speaker 1: it is. It's really great because he has made me
Speaker 1: feel really comfortable with just being myself. So I think
Speaker 1: that I've been able to eliminate a little bit of
Speaker 1: the trying to appease everyone else and be what everyone
Speaker 1: else wants me to be. I definitely still struggle with
Speaker 1: it all the time. It goes you and I talked
Speaker 1: about this all the time. It goes back to not
Speaker 1: being able to say know, um, which is something else
Speaker 1: that I will always work on and probably always struggle with.
Speaker 1: But I keep trying. But I think that is honestly
Speaker 1: where I would go in terms of trying to feel
Speaker 1: the healthy. Part of it is just being comfortable and
Speaker 1: competent and know that I am enough just as I am,
Speaker 1: and then I would after very much need similarnd with
Speaker 1: my dogs. How awesome is it that Abby is so real.
Speaker 1: She's so real about her insecurities. She's so real about
Speaker 1: how hard it is for her to say no, but
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Speaker 1: let's get back to Abby and hearing more amazing insight,
Speaker 1: because she's the best. What do you do when you're
Speaker 1: when you're recharging and calming down? Like what happens here
Speaker 1: in low time? What happens in your brain? My brain,
Speaker 1: My brain is a lot of anxiety and stress, but
Speaker 1: then um, my calmness is definitely here, like where we are.
Speaker 1: I have such a sense of peace in my home
Speaker 1: and that is my like recharge place. Target is my
Speaker 1: recharge place. I want to go to Target today. Actually
Speaker 1: does make you just feel so it does. I feel
Speaker 1: like something's in the air. I don't know what. Maybe
Speaker 1: it is. You know how they like pump oxygen in
Speaker 1: the vegas and maybe they do something there. I think
Speaker 1: they might. And the lighting is perfect, and all the
Speaker 1: clothes are so cute, they're so cutey need everything in there.
Speaker 1: Haley Hubbard and I were talking about this the other
Speaker 1: day because we're the same. I am like shopping is
Speaker 1: my drug of choice and so target really helps me.
Speaker 1: Or like new shoes, but like, if I'm feeling a
Speaker 1: little upset, if I like find something to buy, I
Speaker 1: feel a lot better, which is probably not a good
Speaker 1: coping mechanism, but I was gonna d my hair tattoo.
Speaker 1: I love it a little more pert Probably michaels like,
Speaker 1: I think I'm ready for my half sweve, now do it.
Speaker 1: He's all about it. I'm like, do you think about it?
Speaker 1: For I'm wrong about it? Fully supported, but like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you just recharge and just like sile into your
Speaker 1: brain or it does. I think if I need to
Speaker 1: give some space, I need to cut off, like for
Speaker 1: a minute, and I will. Something that I just learned
Speaker 1: about myself is how negatively I am affected by social media.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you've done the update on
Speaker 1: your phone, but you can limit the amount of time
Speaker 1: you're on it, and so I it like locks me out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I can type it in and get back on,
Speaker 1: which I am definitely guilty of, but it lets me.
Speaker 1: It makes me at least think about it, and I
Speaker 1: have never felt better in the last few weeks of
Speaker 1: doing that. I only let myself have an hour of
Speaker 1: social media time a day, um, and since I, you know,
Speaker 1: do social media for the dry house with Ali, Like
Speaker 1: by the time I'm done doing my work and then
Speaker 1: maybe a little bit of personal time, I'm pretty much
Speaker 1: done for the day by like before a lemon, and
Speaker 1: you work it into your schedule, right, and then I
Speaker 1: blocking this off and then that's it. So you can
Speaker 1: see my puzzle, like I've been doing a puzzle instead
Speaker 1: and like trying to think of things that are rather
Speaker 1: than just scrolling, because I think there's like a beauty
Speaker 1: to social media of like getting to be inspired by
Speaker 1: other people, but there's also a really deep place of
Speaker 1: comparison there and I think I have learned that that's
Speaker 1: not a really healthy thing for me. So the less
Speaker 1: time I'm spending on it, the better I feel. And
Speaker 1: it's really great. It's been a really freeing thing, and
Speaker 1: that is great because it allows you just to stay
Speaker 1: in your own life, even if you just pop on
Speaker 1: social media for like five minutes here and there, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you are flooded with people's lives. You
Speaker 1: are everyone's doing, and you can't help but have your
Speaker 1: thoughts somewhere else in your brain because you're and and
Speaker 1: it has made me feel more present, and it's made
Speaker 1: me feel much more connected to my own life and
Speaker 1: and just like, I don't know, it's even made me
Speaker 1: feel a little nostalgic in times of going back to
Speaker 1: growing up where none of that existed, and I'm and
Speaker 1: it's really really fun to go back to that where
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm sitting here, I'm doing a puzzle,
Speaker 1: We're watching a Hallmark Christmas movie and like that and
Speaker 1: not being wrapped up in anything else, and it makes
Speaker 1: me feel good. So I'm at this point where I
Speaker 1: have been having to on the same vein teach myself
Speaker 1: to be okay with just being in myself, absolutely absolutely
Speaker 1: sitting down and not letting myself have a distraction for
Speaker 1: my brain really, like whether it's exercise, whether it's having
Speaker 1: lunch with friends, whether it's like being on social media,
Speaker 1: whether it's like scheming up something I need to do
Speaker 1: for work or something it's just like constant walking the dog,
Speaker 1: stressing out about future stuff. It's like I have made
Speaker 1: myself in life has sort of presented this season to
Speaker 1: me anyway of just having to be in the shut
Speaker 1: off a little bit and shut off, and it's really
Speaker 1: good and learn how to just be with myself because
Speaker 1: it's hard. It is hard. It is hard, and then
Speaker 1: but it's also so good and freeing and you can
Speaker 1: just makes me worthy enough to be alone because I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the time, I feel myself
Speaker 1: with time, I feel my time with things because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I need to be constantly busier, so I'm not worthy, right,
Speaker 1: But I am worthy even if I'm not constantly busy.
Speaker 1: So you're probably a four wing. Three are yes, it's
Speaker 1: probably your wing, but yeah, no it is. And I
Speaker 1: think we all need to kind of get back into
Speaker 1: that space and feel like just because you know, we
Speaker 1: all grew our generation, we we know what it was
Speaker 1: like to not have social media. Yeah, like my little
Speaker 1: brother is never going to know that, and but we
Speaker 1: do know it, and so we need My little brother's
Speaker 1: fifteen or fifteen years apart, so he's always had social
Speaker 1: media and he like it's always been around his life,
Speaker 1: and I just I want to always remember that time
Speaker 1: when we didn't and maybe try and recreate a little
Speaker 1: bit of it. And because it does make you feel
Speaker 1: a lot better. You don't realize it, it just it
Speaker 1: makes you feel a lot better. To disconnect for a second,
Speaker 1: and just right, we've let social media run rampant because
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's it's like it's such a quick
Speaker 1: thing to do if everyone's doing it, so it's like
Speaker 1: you can't even get mad at people for doing anything.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, people were never allowed to
Speaker 1: have their phones, but not everyone's just on social all
Speaker 1: the time. So it's like you can't even correct someone
Speaker 1: for doing it because it's normal. We all embrace this
Speaker 1: really bad habit when really we should create boundaries, like
Speaker 1: we have boundaries for everything everything else. That's one night,
Speaker 1: don absolutely no schedule time to do it exactly, and
Speaker 1: it's your your cheat time, and that should be enjoy
Speaker 1: it and you don't yourself got it exactly. It's great.
Speaker 1: There's a I don't know, have you ever do you
Speaker 1: listen to John Bellian's music at all? Are you familiar
Speaker 1: with him? Um? So, something that I love about Dan
Speaker 1: and E's relationships so much is like our love for
Speaker 1: music and like discovering new music and listening to music
Speaker 1: and like processing lyrics and things like that. But there's
Speaker 1: this guy that he introduced me to, John Bellian, and
Speaker 1: he just came up with a second record, and there
Speaker 1: is something about his music and his lyrics that it
Speaker 1: every existential crisis I have in my mind, like every
Speaker 1: single one, like the things that keep me up at
Speaker 1: night and make me worry about society and my life
Speaker 1: and things like that he puts into a song and
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't even know until I heard it.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, oh my god, that's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 1: Like that is what makes me upset. And he has
Speaker 1: this song on his new record called the Internet, and
Speaker 1: it's basically the line is life became dangerous the day
Speaker 1: we all became famous. No one cares if you're happy,
Speaker 1: just as long as you claim it. And I'm just
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm like, oh my god, like it's
Speaker 1: so true, Like we are we take that as fact
Speaker 1: and word in these like curated moments that we have
Speaker 1: created on the Internet, and they're like, oh, well, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, like look how happy they are when we
Speaker 1: have no idea because we haven't even stopped to ask them,
Speaker 1: because they look really happy on the Internet. And and
Speaker 1: so it's a really if that song is like and
Speaker 1: it's like he has such sick tracks and it's like
Speaker 1: roll upbeat, but but like the words, you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, and um, you'll have to listen to this
Speaker 1: song stupid deep. It's my favorite and you'll really like
Speaker 1: connect to it. I think it's basically like maybe everything
Speaker 1: I've been chasing, like every like maybe who I am
Speaker 1: is just fine, Like maybe everything that I do is
Speaker 1: for validation from someone else. But like even though I'm okay,
Speaker 1: and it's like the whole inside my heart is stupid deep,
Speaker 1: like all of that, and you'll love it. It's just
Speaker 1: like it's a very It's just a song that makes
Speaker 1: you be like, oh my gosh, yeah, and you're just
Speaker 1: like you're that is like that is what I feel
Speaker 1: all of the time, but I could never verbalize it
Speaker 1: in the way that he does. So of social media is,
Speaker 1: for instance, like this and music in general is people.
Speaker 1: At this point, I think we're hitting a wall with it.
Speaker 1: We're like, okay, there's something, there's a dark side there is.
Speaker 1: When it first came out, it was like social media pictures,
Speaker 1: no big deal, easy breezing. We get to see pictures
Speaker 1: of our friends. It's amazing, great way to keep up.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden everyone became apparent of
Speaker 1: the comparison thing because everyone talks about it, and now
Speaker 1: I feel like we're entering into a time where it's
Speaker 1: like it's a wonderful time because it's like we're all
Speaker 1: figuring out, Okay, how can we be honest, because we're
Speaker 1: all crying out that we need honesty and people to
Speaker 1: be real and not perfectly curated. And I feel like
Speaker 1: something's happening where some people are getting brave enough to
Speaker 1: share their real stories absolutely social media, absolutely, and that's
Speaker 1: where I'm loving that absolutely, and it's great because I
Speaker 1: think it's starting conversation. I mean, like the king of influencer,
Speaker 1: the Fat Jewish, he did an article and it was
Speaker 1: so interesting the other day that it was like the
Speaker 1: influencer is dead, Like we are all so sick of
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over in the repetition and
Speaker 1: the curated story where he was like he's not saying
Speaker 1: like Instagram is going to go away, but that kind
Speaker 1: of story is over, yes, and like people just want
Speaker 1: to see life and they're over this curated story that
Speaker 1: everyone's trying to point out. So it was a really
Speaker 1: it was a New York Times article and it was
Speaker 1: really it was Yeah, a guy whose entire livelihood has
Speaker 1: been based on being an influencer, and so it was
Speaker 1: really it was a really interesting article because you're just like,
Speaker 1: I don't he's he's I mean, that's why he's getting
Speaker 1: into like alcohol brands and things like that, because he's
Speaker 1: trying to figure out where there's like a more sustainable
Speaker 1: future for himself. And it was it was more of
Speaker 1: like a business article than anything, but there were some
Speaker 1: elements to it that were also you know, a psychological
Speaker 1: element too, So it was really interesting. I love that,
Speaker 1: and I love this, and I love I just love
Speaker 1: that people can share their real stories. So, Okay, you
Speaker 1: were in music before anything. Your dad was in music,
Speaker 1: You grew up in music. Talk to me about your
Speaker 1: musical journey, how you ended up at Warner Wild Ride
Speaker 1: kind of like start start me out from the start. So,
Speaker 1: my dad was in radio for forty one years. He's
Speaker 1: the best retired two years ago. Um, And he was
Speaker 1: in radio in Kansas City, started and pop and then
Speaker 1: they flipped his station to country and it was like
Speaker 1: the end of the world for him. He was like,
Speaker 1: I cannot program country music. Oh my god. Now you
Speaker 1: couldn't get him to listen to anything else. Um, he
Speaker 1: won't listen to anything but country music. But I remember
Speaker 1: when they flipped his station from pop to country, and
Speaker 1: and he had such a cool and unique career himself,
Speaker 1: because I mean he's gone through eight owners and that
Speaker 1: is not a normal thing in radio. Most people, unfortunately
Speaker 1: are let off like they're gonna be let go when
Speaker 1: they get a new owner or a format change or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Like a lot of people lose their jobs,
Speaker 1: and he never did. He's been he was with the
Speaker 1: same station for twenty eight years. Um started when he
Speaker 1: was fifteen in a small town of Emporia, Kansas, where
Speaker 1: he's from. But um, but then when he moved to
Speaker 1: Kansas City and got the job at Q one O four,
Speaker 1: that was I mean, he's never been anywhere else and
Speaker 1: UM had a few like cool promotions in that where
Speaker 1: he was then became the operations manager of the whole cluster,
Speaker 1: so he got to go back to the platformat a
Speaker 1: little bit. But he only but he exclusively programmed the
Speaker 1: country station for program means he makes the playlists that
Speaker 1: all the stations that he programs for listened to. Correct
Speaker 1: he is like the DJ of all these things and
Speaker 1: he's picking it all out. He was on air for
Speaker 1: a little bit. He did the morning show for a
Speaker 1: long time, um and then, but he always programmed that station,
Speaker 1: and then he had he had programmers for his the
Speaker 1: stations that he oversaw, like the pop station, the easy
Speaker 1: listening station, but he never gave up control of q
Speaker 1: ONA four. It was like his little his brain child,
Speaker 1: and he loved it. So I just kind of grew
Speaker 1: up all around that. I mean, you have to stay
Speaker 1: on top of music, top of artists, artists, songs, and
Speaker 1: so you're growing up hearing all the newest artists, all
Speaker 1: the newest songs, having your own opinions because you're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how songs get picked. Absolutely, and especially with him,
Speaker 1: like I'm this is a no bias statement. He is
Speaker 1: a guy who's always supported new artist and always wanted
Speaker 1: to give the new artist a chance. And you know,
Speaker 1: this novel idea of actually paying an artist to come
Speaker 1: play in their market, but he always paid them, you know,
Speaker 1: And he was just like a he was a really
Speaker 1: big supporter of music and new music and country as
Speaker 1: a whole. Um. And Mike Kennedy's his name, and he's
Speaker 1: the best high dad, but he was inducted into the
Speaker 1: Country Music Hall of Fame, and that was kind of
Speaker 1: like his He wanted to do that before he retired,
Speaker 1: so after that happened, he retired a couple of years
Speaker 1: after that, and um, I think he's a little bored now,
Speaker 1: so maybe we'll find him something to do. But he
Speaker 1: So that was I was always exposed to music. I
Speaker 1: was around music. I went to my first concert when
Speaker 1: I was four years old. I've been to one trillion
Speaker 1: concerts in my lifetime, especially not with Dan and um
Speaker 1: as an adult. But I just was always around music.
Speaker 1: I've always loved music. I love discovering music, and um,
Speaker 1: you know, watching his job, I was like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: being a record promotion person sounds amazing. So that was
Speaker 1: actually so so that is basically the label contact for
Speaker 1: my dad or people who program like my dad, and
Speaker 1: so like the rebel representative of the artists, like you
Speaker 1: represented dance song and then you called all these radioizations thing,
Speaker 1: here's why you need to have this exactly, and you
Speaker 1: can go that in a variety of ways, just letting
Speaker 1: the music speak for itself, giving sales stories, giving market stories,
Speaker 1: concerts iTunes exactly, whatever it is you can go like
Speaker 1: a numerical route. You can go purely emotional, like that's
Speaker 1: like videos of a crowd, Yeah, exactly. And it's almost
Speaker 1: like a sales job in a way, um, because you
Speaker 1: have those certain relationships and partners where you can just
Speaker 1: be like, I've built this relationship, like we're buds, here's
Speaker 1: this song and they're going to play it, or you're
Speaker 1: gonna not have that relationship with everyone. So you have
Speaker 1: to prove it with you know, a story. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I thought I always wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: so I moved. I worked, I did internships from eighteen on.
Speaker 1: So I went to school at the University of Missouri,
Speaker 1: lived in Nashville every summer in Turning, did my first
Speaker 1: one at UMG, did to it sony um And then
Speaker 1: after you know, you think you're gonna you put in
Speaker 1: all this time and you're like, well, I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: move right to Nashville and have a job. There were
Speaker 1: no jobs. So I was just sitting in my college
Speaker 1: town like twiddling my thumbs, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't know what I'm going to do because there aren't
Speaker 1: any jobs. And finally someone called me and they had
Speaker 1: a temp job at ci A doing ticket accounts, and
Speaker 1: I was like, well, it'll get me to Nashville. So
Speaker 1: I moved down Here was doing this like ten dollar
Speaker 1: an hour timp job where I literally just called people
Speaker 1: and asked for ticket sales. That was my whole job,
Speaker 1: day in and day out. It starts to drive you crazy. Um.
Speaker 1: And five months into it, Chris Palmer Warner Brothers called me.
Speaker 1: He knew that I always wanted to work in promotion
Speaker 1: and said he was going to have an opening as
Speaker 1: his coordinator. So I went in, I interviewed, and UM,
Speaker 1: funny enough, the two people it was myself and this
Speaker 1: girl on a cage who I loved dearly. She was
Speaker 1: Gloriana's day to day and we were both up for
Speaker 1: the job and I ended up getting it. And but
Speaker 1: what's funny about that is like years later, when I
Speaker 1: left Warner On, it took my job and so now
Speaker 1: she is Dan's Northeast regional. Um and took my job.
Speaker 1: So I had a really short stint as coordinator at
Speaker 1: Warner because um really sadly um, the Northeast regional Lindsay
Speaker 1: Wallerman I was diagnosed with cancer and passed away about
Speaker 1: three months after her diagnosis. It was horrendous. She was
Speaker 1: my like intern coordinator at my very first internship when
Speaker 1: I was eighteen, and so like life full circle. Then
Speaker 1: I got this coordinator job years later and I was
Speaker 1: her coordinator and it was so cool. And then when
Speaker 1: she got sick, they asked me to step in in
Speaker 1: her region, and of course with and I had every
Speaker 1: expectation of going back to being a coordinator. You know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll help her in any way she
Speaker 1: can because she couldn't really travel, especially when her treatment
Speaker 1: got really serious, and so I would travel and cover
Speaker 1: her shows and do all of that. And then um,
Speaker 1: when we were at the a c m S, we
Speaker 1: all left before the awards because we found out that
Speaker 1: she had taken a turn. So we all flew down
Speaker 1: to Houston to M D Anderson UM to try and
Speaker 1: be with her, and unfortunately she passed before we got there.
Speaker 1: But um, they It was a really weird time in
Speaker 1: my life because that was not only like my friend,
Speaker 1: but my coworker and kind of my idol because she
Speaker 1: was this like young girl just killing it in the
Speaker 1: job that I wanted to do and so being instantly
Speaker 1: promoted in that manner was really challenging. It was challenging
Speaker 1: from a personal standpoint, but also it was a really
Speaker 1: uncomfortable role to fill when you're taking someone's job who
Speaker 1: was so loved and she was so young, and it
Speaker 1: was so devastating and you know, I'm I'm equally as
Speaker 1: devastated as everyone else's because this was my friend. But
Speaker 1: I have to still do this job that was hers
Speaker 1: and it was it was and yeah, so it went.
Speaker 1: It started really hard, and um, I I had a
Speaker 1: really hard time with it, honestly, um and it I
Speaker 1: would think I felt not guilt because I knew it
Speaker 1: wasn't my fault, but I did feel uncomfortable. Um it
Speaker 1: felt very odd and it felt and I didn't know
Speaker 1: and I and I missed her and like she was
Speaker 1: the one who taught me how to be a regional
Speaker 1: and so it was just absolutely and not and that
Speaker 1: was not how I ever anticipated getting that job, you know,
Speaker 1: And so it's just like a weird, a weird time.
Speaker 1: But I we we got a that and I got
Speaker 1: into regional world. And one day there was like a
Speaker 1: demo set on my desk and it was twenty two songs.
Speaker 1: And it was so weird because usually when someone brings
Speaker 1: you a demo, like an artist trying to sign, it's
Speaker 1: like four of their very best songs. They were like
Speaker 1: slaving over and I get this thing that's twenty two songs,
Speaker 1: Like what in the world is this? And I start
Speaker 1: listening to them and it's twenty two songs I loved.
Speaker 1: And I went into my boss, Chris Palmer's office and
Speaker 1: I was like, what is this And they're like these
Speaker 1: two guys, Dan and Shay. They're like, we're desperate to
Speaker 1: get them, but every label in town is too, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna be in this week, like be sure to
Speaker 1: go say hi songs and they were already and almost
Speaker 1: done and that was It was so crazy, and so
Speaker 1: I remember them coming in and my other boss, Chris
Speaker 1: Stacy at the time, he was the senior VP of promotion.
Speaker 1: He came in and was like, you gotta go meet
Speaker 1: the guys there down the hall. So I went in.
Speaker 1: I was so busy that day, so I just went
Speaker 1: in the office, said hello, said I loved the music,
Speaker 1: and left. I didn't even think about it, didn't even
Speaker 1: like a cross none of that even crossed my mind.
Speaker 1: I was just like, you know what, I'm in I'm
Speaker 1: out and like I said hello, but I had so
Speaker 1: much to do that day, so I left. And the
Speaker 1: crazy part about it now is that like Dan remembers
Speaker 1: every element of that interaction, what I was wearing, like
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, and for him, we always say
Speaker 1: it for him and I, but I just wasn't even
Speaker 1: thinking about it, you know, yeah, I that just wasn't
Speaker 1: even close to anything on my mind. He was hopefully
Speaker 1: going to be my artist and then he was there.
Speaker 1: It just never even crossed my mind, and it was
Speaker 1: just we find We ended up signing them and then
Speaker 1: they were on our team because I asked us, but
Speaker 1: I was like, I have to work these guys, and
Speaker 1: he was like done and he I remember them like
Speaker 1: playing and I knew every song and he was like
Speaker 1: that solidified it for me. Putting them on the UM
Speaker 1: your team, the Warner Atlantic and there something too like
Speaker 1: having a champion is crucial. So the fact that you
Speaker 1: loved this baby, you wanted to fight for them, that
Speaker 1: is so much better for that for Danish with someone
Speaker 1: like you who's like I get you, I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: to yes, because some people, even though they're great, they
Speaker 1: don't go to bat for a totally difference there is,
Speaker 1: and and you know, I just was like, there's something
Speaker 1: here and I think this is so special. And so
Speaker 1: we ended up working them and then I kind of
Speaker 1: I found out, you know, pretty close into the working
Speaker 1: together a thing that he had already asked Chris Stacy
Speaker 1: if he could ask me out your boss went too, yes,
Speaker 1: and and Chris was like, there's general But I was
Speaker 1: so taken aback by it because I had no idea,
Speaker 1: Like I truly was like what. I was like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? And he was like yeah, And I
Speaker 1: told him like there's no rules against it, but I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's the best idea. And I was like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's crazy. Like I'm not interested. You don't have anything
Speaker 1: to worry about. This point had become like friends. We
Speaker 1: had become friends. Yeah, you're absolutely taking him across the
Speaker 1: yes A radio station. We were definitely friends. We had
Speaker 1: a ton in common, we both loved music and like
Speaker 1: we I mean, we weren't at that point we did
Speaker 1: that together. Um, And so you know it was just
Speaker 1: I was just like I had not even thought of that,
Speaker 1: Like I definitely liked him as a person, but I
Speaker 1: just said though he's fine to look at. But I
Speaker 1: then I think that like maybe triggered a subconscious thing
Speaker 1: that was always there when I heard that, and I
Speaker 1: remember calling my mom and being like, well, now I'm like,
Speaker 1: do I really like this guy? Because then I was
Speaker 1: like starting to think about it. I was like, wait, like,
Speaker 1: we do get along really well and we have so
Speaker 1: much in common, and I was like, but I can't
Speaker 1: incuse my artists. And then, as you know, like being on,
Speaker 1: I took them on radio tour, so we spent a
Speaker 1: lot of time together travelers, and so then it became
Speaker 1: very much undeniable. But I was still very hesitant and
Speaker 1: reserved because of work and um. But eventually we were like,
Speaker 1: all right, this is serious and we had to have
Speaker 1: the conversation yet, like, you know, if if I'm going
Speaker 1: to go have this talk with my bosses, this has
Speaker 1: to be for real. And he's like, well, I've been
Speaker 1: all in since the day I met you, so he
Speaker 1: was like, you have to think about it for yourself,
Speaker 1: and it was yeah, he loved he did. He did,
Speaker 1: and he still does thankfully, thankfully I haven't scared him
Speaker 1: away yet. But yeah, So then we told my bosses
Speaker 1: and they're like, well, it's not ideal, but like, we'll
Speaker 1: figure it out. And we worked together for about nine
Speaker 1: months before and and all of this aside, I had
Speaker 1: kind of come to the realization that what I thought
Speaker 1: was my dream job was not for me, stemming back
Speaker 1: to my personality. That is a challenging job people to
Speaker 1: make sure, like you with people are trying not to correct,
Speaker 1: and so it was, it really was, it did, and
Speaker 1: that was ultimately like I I mean, I That's what
Speaker 1: I always say, is like I love Warner, I love
Speaker 1: so many of my friends at radio, but that specific
Speaker 1: job crushed my soul and for everyone listening. Being a regional,
Speaker 1: what Abby was is you have to go to the
Speaker 1: radio stations, hang out with the head of the head
Speaker 1: programmers of the stations, and you basically have to convince
Speaker 1: them why they need to ask a song. And they
Speaker 1: are not hesitant at all to be like Shorty with
Speaker 1: their feelings. They don't try to sugarcoat. And sometimes you're
Speaker 1: bearing your soul, like when you are truly passionate about
Speaker 1: something and then you're like, oh my gosh. And so
Speaker 1: it's a lot of rejection, it's a lot of hearing
Speaker 1: no and exactly like you said, I don't think I've
Speaker 1: ever even thought of it in that way. Is that
Speaker 1: I want people to like me, and those people and
Speaker 1: I was happing to prove myself and honestly giving you
Speaker 1: all the reasons why they don't like in your artists
Speaker 1: exactly and the nightmare it is. And I ultimately through
Speaker 1: a lot of discussion with my family and Dan because
Speaker 1: it was, you know, it's I was so young. Um,
Speaker 1: I was twenty four, and then I was I did
Speaker 1: it for sixteen months. Um, so I was twenty five
Speaker 1: when I eventually left. But I, um, it was like
Speaker 1: a lot of you know you for a year old,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good money. And so I was just like
Speaker 1: in the and it was what I always wanted to do,
Speaker 1: and I was like, what am I doing? But but
Speaker 1: I mean it got to a point where I was
Speaker 1: so stressed, I mean, losing hair. It just like wasn't
Speaker 1: a good fit for me. What is that when you
Speaker 1: have this dream your whole life, that this is what
Speaker 1: you want to do, this is your fairy tale. You
Speaker 1: get it. You're making great money, you're young, you're independent,
Speaker 1: you're living at your dream, and that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden You're like, this is not what I thought. Now,
Speaker 1: do you feel insane? Kind of you totally lose your
Speaker 1: direction because you've held this thought for like years now,
Speaker 1: especially because you knew it at a young age. Yes,
Speaker 1: you feel weird. For decades you've believed that this And
Speaker 1: I didn't have another plan, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: what do I do? What happens? Well, I mean I
Speaker 1: just had to really process it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I think I have I really focused on the fact
Speaker 1: that I was only twenty five, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to at thirty five have been doing
Speaker 1: this this whole time and been like and just forcing
Speaker 1: myself too because it was my dream and be like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm twenty five. I know my heart knows that this
Speaker 1: is not where I'm going to be happy. That feeling
Speaker 1: I just knew from my physical response for from the
Speaker 1: stress like and feeling how bad I felt. I knew
Speaker 1: that I did not want to do that forever. Yes
Speaker 1: it did, and there were certain like wonderful things about it,
Speaker 1: like I love Warner of course, and some people are
Speaker 1: made for this job. Some people are and like the
Speaker 1: competition of the people to be it is and some
Speaker 1: people I was it does and everyone I knew. I
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that I was, like I was
Speaker 1: successful at it before I left, because I didn't want
Speaker 1: to leave it because I because I knew I didn't.
Speaker 1: It didn't feel right from the beginning, but I didn't
Speaker 1: want to leave it, and I wanted to make sure
Speaker 1: that it wasn't it didn't feel right because I just
Speaker 1: maybe wasn't succeeding at it. So I like put in
Speaker 1: time and I yes, and so I was very good
Speaker 1: at it. But then that made me know for sure.
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, like I know the
Speaker 1: squirrels again, I was like, I know for sure that
Speaker 1: because you didn't succeed, I'm quitting because it wasn't right.
Speaker 1: And and so I did that and Dan fully supported
Speaker 1: all of that and was like we'll figure it out.
Speaker 1: And it was the best decision. And it was the
Speaker 1: best of both worlds too, because again, how much I
Speaker 1: love Warner and everyone in that building, I still get
Speaker 1: to see them all the time and spend time with them. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I get to still be with my people, and
Speaker 1: that is a highlight in our life. Yes, And it's
Speaker 1: so They're just such wonderful people and we've been through
Speaker 1: so much together as co workers and then now as
Speaker 1: Dan's wife, and it was definitely the best decision and
Speaker 1: it was great And Warner has changed my life because
Speaker 1: I met Dan through them. That's how we got joy,
Speaker 1: That's how I got started and animal Rescue. I just
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Speaker 1: they're so. Rebecca Stirk Gordon Um was an A and
Speaker 1: R at the time, and she was fostering this puppy
Speaker 1: and I was sitting in my office. I could hear
Speaker 1: people cooing and I was like, it's either a puppy
Speaker 1: or a baby. And I went out there and it
Speaker 1: was a puppy and it was her foster dog. And
Speaker 1: I sent Dan a picture of her and he was like,
Speaker 1: you want to bring her home? I was like sure,
Speaker 1: and so we took her to like on a trial run,
Speaker 1: and within a day, we knew we were going to
Speaker 1: keep her. So we got this dog. And that was
Speaker 1: my introduction to Proverbs. And that's the rescue. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: that so Proverbs twelve to an animal rescue is um
Speaker 1: rescued that Dan and I have become super super involved with.
Speaker 1: And all three of our dogs are from there. And
Speaker 1: she is the reason that I found Proverbs and so
Speaker 1: and she was my first rescue. We had. Um. I
Speaker 1: had a lab that I had gotten from a breeder,
Speaker 1: just because my parents had gotten dogs from breeders and
Speaker 1: I didn't know any different. And um, she was my
Speaker 1: intro and she's we call her the original rescue. And
Speaker 1: she was my original rescue. And she's making funny noises
Speaker 1: and she sees a squirrel. I know, girl, um um,
Speaker 1: but she is. She was the reason that I became
Speaker 1: so passionate about animal rescue, and now it's like my
Speaker 1: whole life. I try. I try to volunteer as much
Speaker 1: as I can. I try to help bring attention to them,
Speaker 1: to help get talks adopted. Yes, I will transport dogs
Speaker 1: we foster when we can. Um. And I try to
Speaker 1: bring awareness to not just their cause, but adoption in general,
Speaker 1: because I know that I wasn't super familiar with rescue
Speaker 1: until I got really familiar with rescue, and I just
Speaker 1: want people to know that it's an option. I hate
Speaker 1: it because people are always like, don't judge me. I
Speaker 1: did this, and I don't care, like I don't have
Speaker 1: any judgment. I always say that, I always will say
Speaker 1: rescue a dog. That is my philosophy. That's how I feel.
Speaker 1: But if that doesn't work for someone, that's okay. There's
Speaker 1: no judgment. I just want to bring awareness to how
Speaker 1: wonderful rescue dogs are and how many great dogs there
Speaker 1: are in shelters that need a second chance. And we've
Speaker 1: always had rescue dogs and they're the best dogs. They
Speaker 1: might have their little quirks from their abuses, they've had trauma. Ye,
Speaker 1: they're the sweetest they are and they just love. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean like I am my dog's whole world. And
Speaker 1: that is like a really cool feeling. Like these babies
Speaker 1: love me so much and I and they bring so
Speaker 1: much to me too. The dinner table and on the
Speaker 1: desk and on the table and in the chair that
Speaker 1: when we first moved into this house, Caroline came over
Speaker 1: for dinner and we're just all sitting there eating pizza.
Speaker 1: We had like no furniture, nothing going on, and we
Speaker 1: just look over and Ghosts had just sat down like
Speaker 1: he was one of the girls. He's sitting there, how
Speaker 1: to play the pizza in front of him. This is dinner.
Speaker 1: This is what we do. Um. And it happens pretty
Speaker 1: regularly with the Chief when Dan and I are having dinner,
Speaker 1: he'll just come sit in one of the like captain's chairs,
Speaker 1: like again to the Chief of the house. It's so great.
Speaker 1: But that was so special watching the skyrocket of Dan
Speaker 1: and Chair's success. It has been crazy this past year
Speaker 1: that you feel it's the last year has just been
Speaker 1: so crazy because having been with Dan for the last
Speaker 1: five and a half years and be taking them on
Speaker 1: radio tour and being seeing where there when no one
Speaker 1: showed up to anything, and then there's just been a shift. Um,
Speaker 1: I think it was most busy a bole this summer
Speaker 1: with tequila, for sure. Tequila has changed our lives. Thank you,
Speaker 1: Jordan Reynolds and Nicole Galleon. Um, it has changed our lives.
Speaker 1: That one song that's just like the game changer. I
Speaker 1: mean they have a lot of songs. The one that's
Speaker 1: just like Okay, yes, this is the game changer and
Speaker 1: it has been and it's been so special to watch it.
Speaker 1: We all loved that song and but we never could
Speaker 1: have predicted what it was going to do. So what
Speaker 1: did it do exactly? I mean it has been the
Speaker 1: song has not only was it their fastest chart rise
Speaker 1: in terms of number one, but it's just been from
Speaker 1: a radio standpoint, but from a sales standpoint, it's been
Speaker 1: really crazy. Um, from just opening up new doors for
Speaker 1: them and yeah, it's at pop radio right now, um,
Speaker 1: which is really cool and exciting, and it's been it's
Speaker 1: just been this. I think it introduced them to a
Speaker 1: whole new audience as well, and so it's just kind
Speaker 1: of what it's their fan base grow a lot, and um,
Speaker 1: you see it at shows and I think that's been
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me to watch, just having been
Speaker 1: at the shows in the beginning and now being at them.
Speaker 1: It's just a whole different energy in such a cool way.
Speaker 1: And and I mean we who's like, now Speechless is
Speaker 1: going to be their fastest song, um, and that's really
Speaker 1: cool to Yes, that's the wedding video one and that's
Speaker 1: so but we don't it is and that's real I mean,
Speaker 1: we've had people asked us if that was a recreated wedding,
Speaker 1: where like, Nope, those were actual weddings. We didn't recreate them.
Speaker 1: But who's to say that Speechless would have had that
Speaker 1: same platform without Tequila, you know. Um, And so Tequila
Speaker 1: has just been transformative, and we always tried to be
Speaker 1: very grateful and happy for what it has done for us.
Speaker 1: And even from we were talking about it a couple
Speaker 1: of nights ago, it's like Jordan Reynolds, who wrote the
Speaker 1: song with Dan and Nicole Gal and we um, we
Speaker 1: would not have known him and he is now our
Speaker 1: best friend. He and his wife Taylor, like they bought
Speaker 1: a house we are we're calling it the house Tequila
Speaker 1: built a mile away from us, like they were able
Speaker 1: to buy a new home, and they are just they're
Speaker 1: just such special people and we just wouldn't have that
Speaker 1: friendship without that song. So even at like the base level,
Speaker 1: despite all this stuff that it's done for Dan's career
Speaker 1: in Shea's career, it's like it's been just even on
Speaker 1: a personal level, it's like allowed us to have that
Speaker 1: new friendship and that relationship that we cherish so much.
Speaker 1: And then I mean then Jordan's has six songs on
Speaker 1: the records, but it all started from Tequila and he
Speaker 1: and Dan right all the time, and it's just like
Speaker 1: a really special friendship that they have that never would
Speaker 1: have come about without it. So I try to think
Speaker 1: about those things too that are so much that seems
Speaker 1: smaller than really than yeah, than double platinum records and
Speaker 1: like things like that, but it's but they're huge there.
Speaker 1: It's like that's such a special thing and we'll cherish
Speaker 1: them forever and ever. So it's cool. What have you
Speaker 1: noticed about fame? The good, the good aspects and the
Speaker 1: maybe not as delightful aspects. Um, the good is And
Speaker 1: I think this goes back to our social media talk.
Speaker 1: I think that the platform allows you to raise awareness
Speaker 1: for things so with I mean just on like such
Speaker 1: a small level, there's we get more adoption applications at
Speaker 1: proverbs because of it and things like that. Um, so
Speaker 1: it gives you an opportunity to be influential that you
Speaker 1: wouldn't have. UM. I think it's the negative obviously is
Speaker 1: maybe for for Dana, attention that he doesn't want and
Speaker 1: music exactly. He loves making music, and um, the fame
Speaker 1: part is just an element of that the artist thing,
Speaker 1: but he's not an attention guy, so I think that's
Speaker 1: definitely something that he struggles with. But again, it all
Speaker 1: comes back to being a positive because his music is
Speaker 1: being heard by more people, and the stuff that he
Speaker 1: slaves over a day in and day out to create
Speaker 1: it's getting Yeah, more people are getting to see it
Speaker 1: and hear it and um feel it, and that's a
Speaker 1: really big positive. I don't think I find too many
Speaker 1: negatives in all of it. Um. I think there's way
Speaker 1: more positive than negative, which is a really good thing.
Speaker 1: And thankfully people are pretty nice to us for the
Speaker 1: most part about this community of women because the wives
Speaker 1: of country music artist and just like entertainment industry people
Speaker 1: in general, it's a strong community. It's the best explained
Speaker 1: to be about this community because it's rare. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: probably feel really emotional about it today, just with um
Speaker 1: the week that we have had that has been filled
Speaker 1: with a little bit of disappointment. Um. I yes, this
Speaker 1: is weird talking two days after CEM and it's okay, UM,
Speaker 1: And you know that, No, it was a disappointing week
Speaker 1: and that's and you know, there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: sadness in that and just listening. It's because Danity were
Speaker 1: nominated for two of the year and it was a
Speaker 1: great I mean, it was a great group of people.
Speaker 1: But this was like a moment for them. It's been
Speaker 1: a big year for us. And and four nominations. We
Speaker 1: thought at least one this year. Um, we thought we
Speaker 1: thought one. And so there's some disappointment. Doesn't mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been sad about yeah. And it's not to say
Speaker 1: that anyone was more or less deserving of a win.
Speaker 1: We just were hopeful, um. And we love everybody in
Speaker 1: this community and everyone that won, and it is but
Speaker 1: it's that doesn't mean that there isn't some sadness and
Speaker 1: disappointment and a loss. So and and overall this year
Speaker 1: is a win, there's but it just on on such
Speaker 1: a big platform. Judgment hurts, um. But the biggest thing
Speaker 1: and positive of all this was the support system I
Speaker 1: had in my fellow wives. Um. They the messages and
Speaker 1: texts and things of love that I received that night
Speaker 1: and yesterday, um are I mean, that's what we talked about.
Speaker 1: That's just such a I cherished that so much and
Speaker 1: it not only meant so much to me, but to me,
Speaker 1: then that's the wind in itself. Um, I was Haley
Speaker 1: for the most I just adore her more than life.
Speaker 1: But Haley Hubbard sent me some of the most encouraging
Speaker 1: and loving texts, and we were up for a lot
Speaker 1: of the same awards. Yes, so we lost, they lost too,
Speaker 1: And yes, and so she, of course, I'm sure feels
Speaker 1: the same disappointment that we felt. And but I know
Speaker 1: and I know Tyler reached out to Dan too, And
Speaker 1: but the words of encouragement in things that she shared
Speaker 1: with me yesterday made me and even again today, like
Speaker 1: I heard from her first thing in the morning. It's
Speaker 1: like that is such a precious, precious thing. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if other genres have the same community that
Speaker 1: we do. They might, um, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be hard to match the friendships and the loyalty and
Speaker 1: just the genuine love we all share for one another.
Speaker 1: And I mean this includes you. Um. It's just we
Speaker 1: have these like girls who want everyone to succeed and
Speaker 1: we want our husbands to succeed equally, and there's just
Speaker 1: no competition in it, and that each other right, and
Speaker 1: like it's so real and like we understand each other
Speaker 1: in a way that maybe not everyone can and because
Speaker 1: we're all living these same lives, and but I just
Speaker 1: I find it so precious that even though we are
Speaker 1: in a world that has competition, that we don't view
Speaker 1: it that way. We all want each other to succeed.
Speaker 1: We route each other on. We want everyone to have success,
Speaker 1: because then that means we're all going to have success together.
Speaker 1: You don't want to not have everyone having a great time, exactly,
Speaker 1: and ultimately the success that everyone has pushes the genre
Speaker 1: forward and that opens more doors for all of us.
Speaker 1: And it's so true, and we just all want it
Speaker 1: for each other, and I find it just really special
Speaker 1: that we get to have it. Sometimes I can't believe
Speaker 1: it because I know we have such a large group
Speaker 1: of women who are so kind, so costs are and
Speaker 1: exactly what you said, everybody wants to succeed, but like
Speaker 1: everybody wants every everybody to route for everyone, And you
Speaker 1: feel the pain and we all feel it for each other. Yes,
Speaker 1: you see the whole story in the picture and you're
Speaker 1: just like you just feel it. We're all real with
Speaker 1: our feelings about it, and it's so important and I
Speaker 1: just feel that's just like the most treasured thing of
Speaker 1: all of this, and that might be the positive of
Speaker 1: all of the success is the friendships that we've gained
Speaker 1: from it and getting to just be on a ride
Speaker 1: with a really amazing group of people, and it's really
Speaker 1: really special, and you know, it's like those friendships mean
Speaker 1: more than any award. So yeah, there, it's really really awesome.
Speaker 1: And you know, we're Dan and I are really lucky
Speaker 1: to to get to have Shaye and Hannah on it
Speaker 1: with us. You know, like we get to share in
Speaker 1: the ups with people, but we get to also have
Speaker 1: the support in the downs. It makes it you're not
Speaker 1: as alone in it. We're sharing the same feelings and
Speaker 1: you don't like a sibling or something, right, just to
Speaker 1: be able to talk about it, right, get it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we feel the same things and you don't feel as
Speaker 1: alone in it. There's someone else that's sharing in your
Speaker 1: joys and in the sads too. So it's you know,
Speaker 1: we're really lucky in this community and Nashville is so
Speaker 1: special and I don't think that there's any other community
Speaker 1: like it. I don't. Right, chief, we're going to wrap up,
Speaker 1: wrap up, to wrap up a little bit before actually
Speaker 1: the last question, why is it important to be vulnerable
Speaker 1: and to be able to share, because that's really hard
Speaker 1: to do. It is, it's so hard, and like being
Speaker 1: putting yourself out there is and from someone who deals
Speaker 1: with extreme anxiety, it's like really hard to put yourself
Speaker 1: out there because the second I share something vulnerable, I
Speaker 1: like immediately want to take a vulnerability. Yes, you're like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I shouldn't have shared that. I feel naked,
Speaker 1: like I put a naked picture of me on Instagram. Right,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh my gosh, I shared way too much
Speaker 1: and now that's not going to be accepted. But then
Speaker 1: of the time it is, and then I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: for it, Like and you know your heart is good, right,
Speaker 1: you know what you shared was for a reason. And
Speaker 1: I think when we allow ourselves to be vulnerable and
Speaker 1: then we get the response that we were looking for,
Speaker 1: then it's like makes it so much bigger because if
Speaker 1: you're not sharing anything and you're just having these like
Speaker 1: surface level interactions, then yeah, you're not putting yourself out
Speaker 1: there and you're not going to be scared, but then
Speaker 1: you don't get the response that like heals you or
Speaker 1: and like when you put yourself out there and then
Speaker 1: you have someone be like I'm so glad you shared
Speaker 1: that or I feel that same way, like here and
Speaker 1: feeling like you're not alone in your feelings. That's a really,
Speaker 1: really big part of it. And it goes back to
Speaker 1: me telling you to listen to the John Bellian Record
Speaker 1: because he's the most vulnerable artist. I mean it is.
Speaker 1: It's insane to me, like the things that but there
Speaker 1: are things that we're all feeling, and if he didn't
Speaker 1: share those feelings, like I wouldn't be sitting here telling
Speaker 1: you about it and telling you how much it made
Speaker 1: me feel and allowing me to be vulnerable too. That
Speaker 1: I love. That wrap up this whole things inspiring, but
Speaker 1: leave your light if you're going to pass something on,
Speaker 1: like with how you would wish you're, what you're trying
Speaker 1: to do with your life, how you want to inspire others,
Speaker 1: maybe if you're talking to young people or just somebody
Speaker 1: who's looking up to you and saying like, man, you're amazing.
Speaker 1: How do I get to be you? Or or how
Speaker 1: do you know? What is your inspiration? My biggest thing,
Speaker 1: and I've been thinking about this a lot lately, is
Speaker 1: I want all of us to do something. Um, there
Speaker 1: is a lot going on in our world and a
Speaker 1: lot of negative and I think sometimes it's easy to
Speaker 1: be complacent, um, because we're all very fortunate and very blessed.
Speaker 1: As something Caroline and I were talking about before we
Speaker 1: started this, and I think I think we all need
Speaker 1: to do something bigger, whether it is animal rescue or
Speaker 1: bringing someone food that is experiencing homelessness, or even just
Speaker 1: as small as being kind to one another. I think
Speaker 1: I'm in a place right now where I just want
Speaker 1: to make try and make a difference in whatever way
Speaker 1: that it is, and I think we all need to
Speaker 1: do that. And um, even if it was as simple
Speaker 1: as if you voted a couple of weeks ago, that's
Speaker 1: so important. Um. I just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: we're all thinking about the impact that we're making on
Speaker 1: the world and try and be a positive one. If
Speaker 1: we all do something positive collectively, just a little bit,
Speaker 1: the ripple effect, it's huge, yes, And it's really important
Speaker 1: right now because there's a lot of negativity that we
Speaker 1: could focus on, but I really want to focus on
Speaker 1: the positive and trying to make something good in this world.
Speaker 1: I love that, I love it. I love you. Okay, bye,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining me and Abby on
Speaker 1: this episode of My Wives series. Next week I have
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