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Speaker 1: Hey, did you hear about the problems at Volkswagon. No,

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Speaker 1: Cardoctorshow dot com. Ninety eight Volkswagen came into the shop

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Speaker 1: this week. You know, some weeks, I think Volkswagen makes

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Speaker 1: I enjoyed Tuesday, by the way, you see Tuesday, Volkswagon

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you think I hate Volkswagon.

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Speaker 1: And that's what you're gonna be falling for because Volkswagen's

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Speaker 1: kick the garage doors back and welcome Pat from Chicago, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor. How can I help? Hi?

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Speaker 4: Ron, Thanks for taking my call.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 4: You have a question. I recently had a PCM and

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Speaker 3: Well, right now I'm having problems with my Volkswagen twenty

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Speaker 3: But then around like I want to say, like three

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Speaker 1: Right, Let me ask it. Let me ask you this.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hang on a second, let me let me let

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: The check engine light was still on?

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Speaker 1: No, still on or still off?

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Speaker 3: Still it was still on. After I sent it to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the code wasn't popping up for the misfiring.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so where does it? Where does it stand now?

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Speaker 3: Check engine light still on?

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Speaker 6: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm confused because it sounds like it sounds like

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Speaker 3: He's just himself. Like I'm okay, he's a shop.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so right now there, all the faults are repaired,

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Speaker 1: Okay, number one, and the clock's gonna take me, George,

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Speaker 1: Number two, take a careful look at mass airflow readings

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Speaker 1: coming up next, Paul Eisenstein. I'll be back right after this.

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Speaker 1: It was quite a week in the world of automobiles

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Speaker 1: on any of the car doctor. Volkswagen was caught up

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Speaker 1: It's quite a bit in the news just out of

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Bureau, Thedetroit Bureau dot com or good friend

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Speaker 1: Paul Eisenstein. He wrote, German authorities now say two point

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Speaker 1: affected by the maker's rigging of emission tests. But VW

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Speaker 1: The suspect turbo diesel engine used by Volkswagen apparently also

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Speaker 1: at the Detroit Bureau of Thedetroit Bureau dot com. Paul,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the car doctor, sir.

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Speaker 4: Good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: And your reference to the Pope may be appropriate because

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Speaker 5: I think VW doesn't have a prayer without some divine intervention.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, they are in a world of trouble.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, correct me if I'm wrong, their stock fell

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Speaker 5: The moment they're down about thirty eight percent. Wow. The

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Speaker 5: United States likely affected by this problem. We're going to

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Speaker 5: recalls in Europe. Recall, not only is VW one of

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Speaker 1: Well, and you know, Paul, I think that the biggest

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Speaker 1: you know, here we go again, and it's going to

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Speaker 1: to this, Paul, Have you seen any indicators yet?

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Speaker 5: Well, we're already hearing some things that sales at VW

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Speaker 5: the fact that they have already taken their diesels, the

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Speaker 5: four cylinder version anyway, off the market, they've essentially said

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Speaker 5: for the time being, they have no interest, no ability

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Speaker 5: to sell them because those vehicles can't be quickly fixed.

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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, I don't know if VW

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Speaker 5: knows at all. But the real question is what will

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Speaker 5: happen long term to the diesel market in general, And

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Speaker 5: that's unclear, but it looks like it could take a

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Speaker 5: big hit. Mike Jackson, who runs AutoNation, you know, the largest,

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Speaker 5: the largest auto dealer chain in the country, said, this

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Speaker 5: is a real black eye.

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Speaker 1: And where do you think this leads The manufacturers that

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Speaker 1: are using the Volkswagen engine in their cars, like Chrysler,

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Speaker 1: for example, Well.

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting question. Now there aren't a huge number

450
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Speaker 5: of them, but it turns out that some manufacturers were

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Speaker 5: using or buying these diesels from VW for use overseas,

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Speaker 5: particularly in Europe. Chrysler was using them, apparently through its bankruptcy, which,

453
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Speaker 5: as you may recall, ran through two thousand and nine,

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Speaker 5: and right now it's unclear not only did they use

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Speaker 5: the engines, but did they also use the suspect technology,

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Speaker 5: the engine control technology that had this so called defeat

457
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Speaker 5: device basically a bunch of software code embedded in it.

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Speaker 5: We don't know that yet, but we suspect that some

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Speaker 5: of the VW products are some of the VW engines

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Speaker 5: used in christ of products will come under investigation.

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Speaker 1: Paul, you're closer to this than I. Your gut call

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Speaker 1: just an opinion. Do you think when Volkswagen did this

463
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Speaker 1: they knew the mistake they were making or was this

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Speaker 1: just an honest mistake?

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Speaker 5: There was no an honest mistake. No, there's no question

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Speaker 5: that they knew what they were doing and they intentionally

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Speaker 5: looked to gain the system. This isn't like some sort

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Speaker 5: of code that just accidentally just happens under certain conditions

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Speaker 5: to make the initiation the emission system work correctly, and

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Speaker 5: all the rest of the time it just happens to

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Speaker 5: not work right. No, this wash was not only intentional,

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Speaker 5: but it wasn't the case of a few bad apples. Again,

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Speaker 5: back to Mike Jackson over at Automation, who has worked

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Speaker 5: inside automakers. Remember, he ran Mercedes here in North America

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Speaker 5: for a while and he was very active in the

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Speaker 5: Mercedes network globally, so he knows what goes on in

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Speaker 5: these companies. And as Mike said, this was a systemic problem,

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Speaker 5: clearly a problem that led. If it didn't lead all

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Speaker 5: the way to former CEO Wintercorn, it.

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Speaker 1: Came multi close a couple of years ago. I'll go back.

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Speaker 1: I think it was about four and a half years

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Speaker 1: and ago you and I first spoke, and the article

483
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Speaker 1: we were talking about at the time was Volkswagen's quest

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Speaker 1: to become the number one auto manufacturer in the world.

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Speaker 1: I never forgot this. And you said to me, Ron,

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Speaker 1: they're going to have a rough road because somewhere along

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Speaker 1: the way, there's a bump in the road. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think you were referring to this, because I don't

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Speaker 1: think you had any inkling that this was going to

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Speaker 1: be it. But this is about as big a bump

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Speaker 1: in the road as you can get, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: Oh, this is sort of like a sixty foot pothole.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 5: They can swallow up just about anything that manufacturer produces

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Speaker 5: even it's heavy duty trucks. That's I forgot about that comment.

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Speaker 5: But you're right, this is a company that may may

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Speaker 5: totally be derailed by this. Look at just the potential

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Speaker 5: cost that they're going to face.

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Speaker 1: We even measure that yet, I mean, do we have

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Speaker 1: a way to you know, I mean we can probably

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Speaker 1: measure it to the company, but then to the individual dealers,

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Speaker 1: to the text they might have to lay off, to

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Speaker 1: the people, to the guy at the sandwich shop that

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Speaker 1: doesn't have the dealership to sell lunch to anymore, to

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Speaker 1: the snap on truck driver, to.

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Speaker 5: The that's an interesting point. Now we'll skip the add

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Speaker 5: ons for a moment. We'll get back to that. But

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Speaker 5: if you look at what VW's done, they have four

509
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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty two thousand vehicles that violated the Clean

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Speaker 5: Air Act intentionally. This is one thing when you screw

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Speaker 5: up and you know you make a mistake. This was

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Speaker 5: an intentional dodge, and they tried to deny it almost

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Speaker 5: to the very last second. When the EPA announced that

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Speaker 5: they had you know, that they had this problem on

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Speaker 5: the eighteenth of this month, so they could be subject

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Speaker 5: to thirty seven, five hundred dollars per vehicle sold. Save

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Speaker 5: you the math, that's about eighteen billion dollars.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 5: Okay. Now let's add the fact that, as far as

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Speaker 5: I know, they were already at least four class action

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Speaker 5: suits on behalf of consumers. They may sue forward any

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Speaker 5: number of reasons, including the lost value of these vehicles,

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Speaker 5: which certainly would go on the market. And we need

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Speaker 5: to talk about this what a consumers do, But we'll

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Speaker 5: go on the market. If you were selling them now

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Speaker 5: for less than what they would have gotten two weeks ago.

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Speaker 5: Then we have the Justice Department which is launching a

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Speaker 5: criminal investigation. Do I expect them to come back with fines? Appsolully?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Sure, we have anywhere we can that we can

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Speaker 1: make money. And you know, stand up and bang the

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Speaker 1: drumab belt. Look at all the good we're doing. Hey, Paul,

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Speaker 1: tell you what, Let me pull over and take a pause.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to let this go. It's too good.

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Speaker 1: You stay right where you are. Monanini and the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back right after this. Welcome back ron a

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Speaker 1: Name and the car Doctor here this hour with Paul

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Speaker 1: Eisensteiner the Detroit Bureau dot Com. Paul, you're still there, sir,

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Speaker 1: I am. We were having such a wonderful chat and

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Speaker 1: it's just there's just so much here. Uh. And the

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Speaker 1: conversation was all about Volkswagen and their current goings on,

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Speaker 1: and you were going to talk a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the the cost ramifications, and then we were gonna talk

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the add ons. You want to

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Speaker 1: continue where you left off?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well just let's let's let's cut that short. The

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00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 5: bottom line, you've got EPA fins, You've got the Justice Department,

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Speaker 5: which will probably bring a criminal charge as some sort

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Speaker 5: of criminal investigation down. I wouldn't be surprised in this case,

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Speaker 5: unlike some of the other recent ones where they even

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Speaker 5: bring criminal charges against individuals, because you have people that

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Speaker 5: actively try to deceive the government. I mean, that's unusual

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Speaker 5: where it goes that far and that late in the

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Speaker 5: game where they just plane lied to the faces of

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Speaker 5: investigators from the EPA.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the days of oolkswag? Do you think

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Speaker 1: the days of Volkswagen being the number one automaker are

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Speaker 1: done for a while, if not for a.

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Speaker 5: Very good shot that they're going to have a problem

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Speaker 5: right now. Yeah, they they'll probably slip behind Toyota again.

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Speaker 5: And by the way, another reason is they're so dependent

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Speaker 5: on China, which is slipping as well. Bottom line, you'll

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Speaker 5: have lawsuits, you'll have regulators taking action against them. Overseas,

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Speaker 5: you'll have consumers this class action and moving in VW's

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Speaker 5: direction from Italy, I mean South Korean regulators are investigating

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Speaker 5: this thing. I expect they are going to be nailed

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Speaker 5: so fast and hard in so many angles that they

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Speaker 5: are not going to know what to do. And frankly,

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Speaker 5: they're in a position right now that for them to

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Speaker 5: try to fight it. Remember how they try to resist

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Speaker 5: three decades ago, the unintended acceleration problem twenty five years

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Speaker 5: ago involving Audi. Yeah, and while they were ultimately proved right,

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Speaker 5: their image as not caring about consumers almost destroyed AUDI.

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Speaker 5: Certainly here in the United States. They still aren't up

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Speaker 5: to the competition in terms of raw value. So VW

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Speaker 5: is in a position where they're probably going to have

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Speaker 5: to spend money beyond what they normally would if they

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Speaker 5: lawyer it up. But because they can't afford to have

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Speaker 5: consumers believe, they'd rather continue the cover up.

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Speaker 1: I think part of Volkswagen's problem too now is and

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Speaker 1: unfortunately the owners will feel. The brunt of it is,

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Speaker 1: how are they going to correct this emissions defect, which

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Speaker 1: is the way the software runs the car, run the

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Speaker 1: engine and give the owners the same performance and fuel economy.

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Speaker 1: Because if they could have done that in the first place,

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have this problem.

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Speaker 6: So the owner, yeah, they're smart now right, Well, you know,

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Speaker 6: conceivably they're smarter, they have better code, they can do it,

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Speaker 6: but realistically they can't.

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Speaker 5: Mean it didn't mean to cut you off. But you're right.

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Speaker 5: And so here's the question. They have to meet emission

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Speaker 5: standards or those vehicles have to come off the road.

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Speaker 5: If they come off the road, they have to buy

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Speaker 5: them back.

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Speaker 3: YEP.

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Speaker 5: Alternatively, they have to sacrifice either mileage or performance. And

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Speaker 5: if they sacrifice either of them, they either have to

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Speaker 5: buy the vehicles back or face incredible problems with the owners.

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Speaker 5: Most likely they're going to have to settle some of

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Speaker 5: these class action suits for billions of dollars and give

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Speaker 5: owners a lot of money for the fact that they

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Speaker 5: didn't receive what they thought they bought.

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Speaker 1: YEP. And I think it's a huge problem. It is

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Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg. It's going to be very

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Speaker 1: interesting going forward. We're going to be hearing about this

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Speaker 1: story for years to come. Hey, real quick, before I

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Speaker 1: let before I let you go, what are your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: What do you get from the other car manufacturers? Are

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Speaker 1: they wringing their hands in glee or do they feel

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Speaker 1: Volkswagon's pain? What do you think?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: I think Mary Borrow over at GM's probably glad not

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Speaker 5: to still be in the headlines, as she was only

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Speaker 5: a few weeks ago when GM paid nine hundred million

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Speaker 5: dollars in fines to the Justice Department over concealing for

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Speaker 5: ten years their ignition switch problem. So Barr is probably

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Speaker 5: happy about that. But here's the thing between that case,

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Speaker 5: Toyota's case, the Hyundai Kia lying about their fuel economy numbers.

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Speaker 5: A few years going on and on, you're going to

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Speaker 5: see the Feds have to crack down. It used to

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Speaker 5: be that automakers could self certify, they'd run their own tests,

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Speaker 5: give the numbers to the EPA and NITSA, who would

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Speaker 5: probably number crunch those things and say, yeah, the numbers

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Speaker 5: add up. But I think going forward, you're going to

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Speaker 5: see pressure on the government to force the automakers to

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Speaker 5: either have the government run those tests, or to pay

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Speaker 5: for independent third party organizations to run tests that they

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Speaker 5: the government can trust to not be paid off.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's gonna come down to tow the line

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Speaker 1: and orf for the consequences. Paul Eisenstein, the Detroit Bureau,

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Speaker 1: Thetroit Bureau dot Com. Always a pleasure, sir. You enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your weekend. Thanks, thanks for taking the time.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. You take good care. Imar on on

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Speaker 1: Any and the car doctor. We are back right after this.

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Speaker 3: Why this car is automat it's systematic, it's dramatic.

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Speaker 1: What's lightning? Welcome back, Ron and Ny and the Cardock.

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Speaker 1: You know. The takeaway from the Paul Eisenstein and VW

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Speaker 1: conversation has to be, and here's what I want you

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Speaker 1: to think about and be aware of in the coming years,

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Speaker 1: because it's going to be a long time until we

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Speaker 1: hear the end of this. Has to be that those

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Speaker 1: people that own diesel volkswagons with this problem are not

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00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: going to have either the same performance or fuel economy,

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Speaker 1: and it's going to be a real issue for him.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see where this goes. Let's get over and

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Speaker 1: take one more Let's go talk to Paul Sor. He

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Speaker 1: is our tech over at Ford out in Minnesota. He's

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Speaker 1: been a long time listener and he's calling in today. Paul,

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Speaker 1: how are you today? What's going on? Oh?

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Speaker 7: Excellent, sir. I fault myself for not getting back to

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Speaker 7: you number of probably three months ago. I was talking

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Speaker 7: about our brand new at that time of fourteen f

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Speaker 7: one to fifty that would just die randomly with multiple

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Speaker 7: network codes. Sure I remember that, yep, yeah, okay, finally

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Speaker 7: figured it out.

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Speaker 1: What was it?

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Speaker 7: And yeah again, fold spindle and mutilate the harness and

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Speaker 7: found again, like you were talking on that your beetle earlier,

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Speaker 7: they have the the fuse box main fuse box right

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Speaker 7: on top of the radiator. Oh okay, caught that just

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Speaker 7: by accident because I was being becoming very frustrated, just

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Speaker 7: happened to push on the harness as it was idling

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Speaker 7: in my stall.

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Speaker 5: It died.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, okay, anyway, long story short, PCM relay

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Speaker 7: contacts ran new truck.

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Speaker 1: They're giant pinball machines, aren't they. Oh yeah, hey, Paul,

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Speaker 1: I got less than a minute? Was your second part

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Speaker 1: to the question?

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Speaker 5: Real quick?

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Speaker 7: Okay, A quick one there too, talking about the Volkswagen

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Speaker 7: diesel issue, just something to throw into the mix. Which

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Speaker 7: talking to our other diesel texts on our Ford Diesel board,

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Speaker 7: it's interesting that Europe has a very high seat team

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Speaker 7: rating on their field versus US. Yeah, Dad may have

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Speaker 7: a player in there.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting too. That's something to consider, Paul. Always good

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Speaker 1: to hear from you. Give us a call again. Next

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Speaker 1: time we'll have a little bit more time. And until

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Speaker 1: the next time, I'm ronning eighty and the car doctor

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Speaker 1: reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See y