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Speaker 1: Here we go, the official show on the Fish Stripes

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Speaker 1: podcast channel. I'm Eli Susman, managing editor of Fish Stripes.

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Speaker 1: Two times a week you get these full episodes with

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Speaker 1: me here on the pod covering all things Miami Marlins.

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Speaker 1: We are presented by Symbol the Stock Market for Sports.

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Speaker 1: More about our partners later on in the show. A

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Speaker 1: different sort of vibe here on this show. We're not

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Speaker 1: gonna focus very much at all on what's happening on

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Speaker 1: the field with this team. A very quick note at

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Speaker 1: the beginning. We'll do that going into Wednesday's game, Wednesday's loss,

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Speaker 1: which had the Marlins getting swept by the Saint Louis Cardinals.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna look at the bigger picture for the

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Speaker 1: trajectory that this team is headed for the rest of

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Speaker 1: this twenty twenty one season. You'd be kind of surprised

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Speaker 1: things have sort of unraveled and changed with this team,

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Speaker 1: but not all terrible things. It's not exactly that the

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Speaker 1: like the sky's falling, even if it feels like that

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Speaker 1: in this very moment. So we're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: exactly where things stand with a big picture of this

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Speaker 1: team in the midst of their worst couple weeks stretch

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Speaker 1: of the season. And then really the big topic on

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Speaker 1: everybody's mind, the sticky stuff that pitchers use, especially in

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Speaker 1: Interesting comments from Zach Gallen that created some sort of

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Speaker 1: chain reaction among significant figures around the game, and we're

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Speaker 1: going to comments on that and how it affects the

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Speaker 1: Marlins in the past and now moving forward now that

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Speaker 1: this crackdown goes into effect beginning on Monday. The comments

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday's game another one run law to Marlins seemingly

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Speaker 1: lead the league in one run losses this season. They

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Speaker 1: get shut out by the Cardinals, a great pitcher's rule

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Speaker 1: between Sandy Alcantra and Johann Oviedo. There's a more of

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Speaker 1: a traditional recap of that on our website fish strips

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Speaker 1: dot com and on the Small Pod hosted by Daniel Rodriguez.

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Speaker 1: Just watching this game, obviously the starting lineup and how

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Speaker 1: it was handled throughout the in game management. It's just

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Speaker 1: evidence of a team that is indifferent about winning games

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Speaker 1: right now. I don't know if you can totally blame

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Speaker 1: them for that. This has been a stretch where they tried,

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Speaker 1: they tried, they tried to overcome these injuries, tried to

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Speaker 1: overcome the flaws in this team's construction, and they haven't

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Speaker 1: done it. You know, they entered play on Wednesday in

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Speaker 1: the game, they are now a full ten games back

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Speaker 1: in the division. In this game, Startling Marte, Heyesiusagualar Adam Duval,

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Speaker 1: This is, as I mentioned in the game recap on

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Speaker 1: the website, this is an increasingly common practice in Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball to set up these quote many vacations for

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Speaker 1: your veteran players heading into an off day. They last

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Speaker 1: played on Tuesday, the next schedule game was Friday night.

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Speaker 2: To go threefold.

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Speaker 1: Days in between games can be pretty valuable to a

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Speaker 1: what was so blatant about this is that Don Mattingly

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Speaker 1: Leywin Diaz we know is supposed to be playing every

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Speaker 1: We know who they are. They've been in the majors

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Speaker 1: With ninety four games remaining, the Marlins are one of

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Speaker 2: In fact, there.

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Speaker 1: Are only six teams with a worse record than the

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Speaker 1: The Tigers have the same record. Let's say seventy percent

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Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of reasons to watch this

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Speaker 1: all stuff that we've covered on previous shows. Just to

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Speaker 1: Sudden you got the question most of these teams, whether

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Speaker 1: The Pirates probably, of course, the Pirates are the ones

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Speaker 1: that they those balls actually being used is the best

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Speaker 1: way for those balls to once they get into play,

437
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Speaker 1: it's easier for you to get a grip on them.

438
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Speaker 1: When they get worn down a little bit, that makes

439
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Speaker 1: it easier to pitch with and actually you know where

440
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Speaker 1: the ball is going. So to counteract that, especially in

441
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Speaker 1: recent years, there has been this trend towards guys applying

442
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Speaker 1: stuff on their fingers that can really get them, that

443
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 1: could get them comfortable throwing that ball even when it's

444
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Speaker 1: just been thrown to them a fresh one in the

445
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Speaker 1: middle of play. It has reached a point where not

446
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Speaker 1: only does it seem that almost everybody is using this stuff,

447
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Speaker 1: but some guys are going too far, and now that

448
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Speaker 1: it's being disciplined, the blowback towards this has been pretty

449
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Speaker 1: strong from the players themselves, from the coaches themselves. We

450
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Speaker 1: spoke to mel Stodemeier Junior a couple of weeks ago,

451
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Speaker 1: even before the official memo came out, about his concerns

452
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Speaker 1: about this. It's been in the culture for a very

453
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Speaker 1: long time. It's not something that has ever really been

454
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Speaker 1: objected to in the past, and if you go back

455
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Speaker 1: far enough it's not something that has necessarily made a

456
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Speaker 1: big difference in terms of how pitchers perform until very recently.

457
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Speaker 1: That's kind of the expectation is that now, through a

458
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Speaker 1: combination of things, including the use of excessive substances, that

459
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Speaker 1: it's now simply too difficult for hitters to put the

460
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Speaker 1: ball in play, which it's why they're striking out at

461
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Speaker 1: a high rate than ever before. One of the easiest

462
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Speaker 1: ways to kind of monitor how a pitcher is either

463
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Speaker 1: potentially using this stuff or potentially not using this is

464
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Speaker 1: to follow their spin rate, which is measured by stack

465
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Speaker 1: cast and provided to everybody through publicly kind of in

466
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Speaker 1: real time as games are going on. Through Baseball Savants,

467
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Speaker 1: Enosars of the Athletic has kind of been at the

468
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Speaker 1: forefront of interpreting and researching and analyzing the changes in

469
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Speaker 1: pictures spin rates, which affects their movement on their pitches

470
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Speaker 1: and can be correlated pretty sh strongly to their effectiveness.

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Speaker 1: That he notes that a lot of pictures across the league,

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Speaker 1: I've seen their spin rates drop a little bit in

473
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Speaker 1: recent weeks with the news of all substances being outlawed,

474
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Speaker 1: including the popular sunscreen in rosin.

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Speaker 2: You know, a.

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Speaker 1: Very ordinary kind of standard formula that's used by a

477
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Speaker 1: lot of pictures, probably on the Marlins, probably on the Diamondbacks,

478
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Speaker 1: probably on most teams. You'll find somebody using sunscreen and

479
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Speaker 1: rosin to get a grip that spin rates are down

480
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Speaker 1: for just about everybody. But according to Eno, there is

481
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Speaker 1: a certain threshold where it actually really matters. Once you

482
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Speaker 1: go a couple standard deviations away from your normal spin rate,

483
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Speaker 1: when you throw spin rates that are like noticeably lower

484
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Speaker 1: than any others that you've thrown before, that's where it

485
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Speaker 1: really matters. And to this point there's maybe only a

486
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Speaker 1: dozen pictures in all of baseball. Let me just say

487
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Speaker 1: that again, out of hundreds and hundreds of pitchers in

488
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Speaker 1: Major League Baseball, only about maybe ten or twelve to

489
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Speaker 1: this point as of this recording, have seen their stuff.

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Speaker 1: Their spin rates dropped by such a significant Martian that

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Speaker 1: you would expect they have stopped using whatever they were using.

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Speaker 1: There's really it's the impact to this point has not

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Speaker 1: been significant. It'll be very interesting to follow, of course,

494
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Speaker 1: the rest of the season. When the enforcement officially goes

495
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Speaker 1: into effect on Monday, how much will this affect the Marlins. Frankly,

496
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Speaker 1: I don't know, my expectation is that not all that much,

497
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Speaker 1: because I guess the Marlins, of course, have surprised some

498
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Speaker 1: people with how good their pitching staff has been to

499
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Speaker 1: this point, arguably the best pitching staff in Miami in

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Speaker 1: Florida Marlins history, the best pitching staff they've ever had,

501
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Speaker 1: potentially is the one that you're seeing right now. Even

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Speaker 1: despite all the injuries to their rotation, they've been so

503
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Speaker 1: good at the top of that rotation with Sandy and

504
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Speaker 1: Pablo and Trevor. They've gotten decent production at times from

505
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Speaker 1: the back end, and of course their bullpen has been

506
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Speaker 1: very good this season, and all that contributing to them

507
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Speaker 1: having a very good pitching staff, a clear top ten

508
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Speaker 1: pitching staff in baseball, if not even better than that,

509
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Speaker 1: with a three point five to five earned run average,

510
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 1: a three point five to two fielder independent pitching, that

511
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Speaker 1: stuff that the Marlins have never done before over the

512
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Speaker 1: course of a single season. It's just that when you

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Speaker 1: look at spin rate, they really aren't standouts from that department.

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Speaker 1: That they are very much middle of the pack, if

515
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Speaker 1: not slightly below the league average in spin rate on

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Speaker 1: most of their individual pitch types, including some of the

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Speaker 1: best pitchers on the team.

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Speaker 2: One guy I pulled up in.

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Speaker 1: Regards to this is Sandy al Contra, who has spent

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Speaker 1: almost his entire career in the Marlins organization, but not

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Speaker 1: all of it. He did make his debut in the

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Speaker 1: majors with the Cardinals in twenty seventeen as a reliever,

523
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Speaker 1: and out of curiosity, I looked at the year by

524
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Speaker 1: year spin rates for him since the Cardinals debut and

525
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Speaker 1: going up to this current season, and it's been remarkably consistent.

526
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Speaker 1: His fastball is yeah, almost identical. Both his vour seemer

527
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Speaker 1: and his sinker are hovering the foreseamer right around twenty

528
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Speaker 1: four hundred revolutions per minute, the for seemer a little

529
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Speaker 1: bit over twenty three hundred. It's been remarkably consistent, even

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Speaker 1: as his velocity has climbed a little bit the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years. The one pitch that has gone up

532
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Speaker 1: has been his changeup noticeably in its spin right by

533
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Speaker 1: a couple hundred RPMs over the past few years. But

534
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Speaker 1: that just seems to be a product of throwing it harder,

535
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Speaker 1: and we know that he ready through hard, but he's

536
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 1: made a more conscious choice to close that velocity gap

537
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Speaker 1: between his four seamer, which gets into the triple digits

538
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Speaker 1: and his changeup. As a result, the spin goes up,

539
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Speaker 1: But it's not as if that pitch is really doing

540
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Speaker 1: anything different. It's just by throwing it harder, velocity and

541
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Speaker 1: spin rate are kind of aligned to one another. And

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Speaker 1: of course we're coming off a game on Wednesday where

543
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Speaker 1: his changeup was especially good and he threw it probably

544
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Speaker 1: as hard as he's ever thrown it before in a game,

545
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Speaker 1: even under the circumstances where we know that the league

546
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Speaker 1: is closely monitoring these guys and the substances that they're using.

547
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Speaker 1: So whatever he may have used at any other point

548
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Speaker 1: of his career, I don't think it's contributing to that

549
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: elevated spin on his change up. I guess the one

550
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Speaker 1: guy that everybody thinks of on this Marlins team when

551
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Speaker 1: it comes to pitch movements and the potential consequences of

552
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Speaker 1: not using substances is Anthony Bender, who to this point

553
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Speaker 1: is still a perfect zero point zero zero earned run

554
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Speaker 1: average as a major leaguer. He is not allowed to

555
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 1: earn run. He has been sensational, and he's done it

556
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: with two pitches that both have crazy movement. His sinker

557
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: and his slider that really stand out in terms of both,

558
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: especially in their vertical movement top of the chain across baseball,

559
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Speaker 1: and you could just see it with your own eyes.

560
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Speaker 1: You don't even need to look at the numbers. That

561
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Speaker 1: the kind of late break that he has on both

562
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Speaker 1: of those pitches, and the kind of silly swings that

563
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Speaker 1: he gets even from the best sitters in baseball. You're

564
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Speaker 1: curious to see exactly how things change moving forward. You

565
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,720
Speaker 1: would suspect that, I mean, just about all these guys

566
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Speaker 1: use something to get a grip. That's kind of what

567
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Speaker 1: I want to reinforce here that I believe Zach Gallon

568
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Speaker 1: with what he says there. It's not necessarily taking a

569
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Speaker 1: shot at his former organization, although he kind of did

570
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: go out of his way to do that. The fact

571
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Speaker 1: that he referenced them, even if it does kind of

572
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Speaker 1: benefit him and serve his own purposes. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if that's necessarily false. I imagine that the team did encourage

574
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Speaker 1: their guys to find ways to get better grips, and

575
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Speaker 1: that most teams have done the same thing. So with Bender,

576
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Speaker 1: he'll be a curious one to follow. Not like the

577
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Speaker 1: crazy high spin rates that you would that necessarily make

578
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Speaker 1: him suspicious of this type of stuff. And there's just

579
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Speaker 1: not much to base it off of in the past,

580
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Speaker 1: because this is his very first season at the major

581
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Speaker 1: league level. So someone to watch, I guess, But I mean,

582
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Speaker 1: just to put a boat on all this and how

583
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Speaker 1: it probably matters less than you think. The one guy

584
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Speaker 1: on the Marlins pitching staff that has the freakiest high

585
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Speaker 1: spin rates, that gets more spin on his pitches than

586
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Speaker 1: anybody else during the two point twenty one season is

587
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Speaker 1: Paul Campbell. Arguably the worst pitcher on the Marlins this

588
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: season is the one that has had the high spin

589
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Speaker 1: rates in Campbell. That was a kring card of him

590
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: throughout his entire amateur career as well and his early

591
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: pro career in the Rays organization. He's always had outstanding

592
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Speaker 1: spin rates, especially on his breaking balls. And it didn't

593
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Speaker 1: make a difference, did it. No?

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Speaker 2: No, he was terrible. Then he was.

595
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Speaker 1: Suspended for ped use. He could come back from the

596
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: injured list in early August, come back from the restricted list,

597
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: and be reinstated in early August. We'll see if that happens.

598
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Speaker 1: I would be surprised if it did. And his spin

599
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: rates did not really make him an effective picture whatsoever

600
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Speaker 1: that it's gonna be a fascinating story to follow. I'm

601
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: sure we'll touch on it on the pod next week

602
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: because that's when the enforcement actually begins at the major

603
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Speaker 1: league level. And just congrats to Zach Gallum, I'm being

604
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: healthy again. He finally takes him out. He's one of

605
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: the better pitchers in baseball. And I'm sure this is

606
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,239
Speaker 1: another topic that will come up later in the year

607
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: as well, is revisiting that Zach Gallon Jazz Chisholm Junior

608
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: trade because it has taken a lot of twists and

609
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: turns in a very short amount of time. I'm Eli's

610
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Speaker 1: husband here on the official show. Marlin's much needed off

611
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: day here on Thursday, their first off day in the

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00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: entire month of June to this point. Well, have plenty

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Speaker 1: of coverage nonetheless on Fish Stripes are daily minor league reports.

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Speaker 1: We're going to have our regular series preview heading into

615
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Speaker 1: the CUB series on Friday night. The small pod is

616
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Speaker 1: ready out here on Thursday, and there'll be another one

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Speaker 1: on Friday. We'll have it all covered here on Fish Stripes.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening and go fish