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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A mother's heartbreak. Her young

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Speaker 1: son found cold blue. He dies from one fake pill.

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Speaker 1: One pill and he's dead. Why, good evening. I'mancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: The fentanyl epidemic is striking at the hearts of families

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Speaker 1: across the country. Counterfeit pills laced with the lethal narcotic

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Speaker 1: leading to overdoses. Now families are fighting back fentanyl, Fentanyl

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Speaker 1: rising amongst the ranks of other deadly drugs to strike

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Speaker 1: fear and the hearts of parents all across our country.

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Speaker 2: Tonight, I've got.

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Speaker 1: So many cases of young children, teens, even infants dead

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Speaker 1: from an unlikely encounter with sentinel.

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Speaker 2: Just one pill kills and when you.

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Speaker 1: Look at it, you don't even know what it is. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories, and I thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. With me an all star panel, but I'm

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Speaker 1: first starting with a mom who was suffering heartbreak after her.

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Speaker 2: Boy is dead from one pill.

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Speaker 1: Just a bright, beautiful, shining boy now dead.

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Speaker 3: Listen, Jack's gone, Jacks Gone.

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Speaker 4: I rushed over.

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Speaker 3: And when I arrived at police and the empt were there.

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Speaker 3: My husband had worked on him for thirty minutes and

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Speaker 3: he's told me his fingers were blue.

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Speaker 3: The and he worked on him for an hour.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing Jack o'kelly's mother, Angela speaking out, Angela

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Speaker 1: King with me as I said an all star panel.

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Speaker 1: But first to Angela King, Miss King, thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us. And I do not like making a

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Speaker 1: crime victim relive what happened. But Miss King, there are

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Speaker 1: literally millions of people that will hear your voice, who

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Speaker 1: are suffering as you and your husband have suffered. What

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Speaker 3: Well, the night before Thanksgiving, Jack could come home as

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Speaker 3: all of our other children did from college, and he

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Speaker 3: went out with a group of friends, celebrating seeing everyone

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Speaker 4: The front doors unlocked.

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Speaker 3: So he drove over literally right across around the corner

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Speaker 3: not aware of that. His fingers were blue, and he

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Speaker 3: an hour, but we knew he was gone. The most

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Speaker 4: It's unimaginable, yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: And the one pill that he thinks is is an

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Speaker 1: ex or a valium, is actually laced with deadly fentinel.

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Speaker 1: You know, you are hearing a loving mother who is

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Speaker 1: now living through the worst time, the darkest time of

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Speaker 1: her life. And I noticed that you're doing what I

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Speaker 1: can't say he's dead for years. All I could say

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 1: What happened that morning, the morning that Angela is describing, Listen.

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Speaker 3: We woke up Thanksgiving morning, ready to celebrate one of

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Speaker 3: Jack's favorite holidays. My husband started calling Jack in the

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Speaker 3: in a complete panic.

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Speaker 1: A complete panic with me an all star panel.

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Speaker 2: But I want to go to a veteran.

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Speaker 1: Trial lawyer joining us a criminal defense attorney in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: and the jurisdiction where so much fentanyl is flooding the market.

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Speaker 1: It seems to be an endless battle. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Ray Giudice with me at rayglaw dot com. High profile

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Speaker 1: lawyer wins a lot of cases. But when I first

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Speaker 2: If I had to say it, it would be gone.

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Speaker 1: You've dealt with a lot of crime victims, Ray, this

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, Nancy is not in my condolences to this family

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Speaker 5: We both have friends of our law school friends who

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Speaker 3: All of our children came over that morning. The screams,

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Speaker 1: Angela O'Kelly describing the discovery of her son Jack dead.

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Speaker 1: Her husband tried valiantly. EMTs tried valiantly, but by the

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Speaker 1: Idea that as they all lay sleeping, Jack was dying. Angela,

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Speaker 1: That morning and it's Thanksgiving, you're all getting everything ready.

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Speaker 3: I was completely devastated, of course, thinking this couldn't be happening.

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Speaker 3: it's happening every day. It's going to continue to happen.

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Speaker 3: We have a serious, serious problem on our hands and

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Speaker 3: people are not talking about it. Children do not know,

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Speaker 3: Jack left, just like it says in the Bible. Jack

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Speaker 3: On the news daily. Every five minutes, somebody's dying of

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Speaker 3: That's where we are right now with fentanyl. It is

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Speaker 4: We have to come together and start talking.

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Speaker 3: He was with friends, having a good time, and from

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Speaker 3: our understanding, he made a fatal mistake, one that should

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Speaker 3: a murder, It was a poisoning. This was an intentional poisoning.

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Speaker 3: if it's happening to Jack, it's happening all around. These

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Speaker 3: college campuses is full of rugs. Kids are passing it

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Speaker 3: one pill can kill. They're play in Russian roulette. You

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Speaker 3: his anax and clearly it had fentanyl in it.

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Speaker 6: A twenty year old Ugas dies Thanksgiving morning after ingesting

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Speaker 6: a counterfeit Xenex pill laced with fentanyl. Jack o'kelly's mom

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Speaker 6: now on a mission to stop another family from suffering

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Speaker 6: the laws of a loved one.

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Speaker 1: Angela King is taking her battle in the name of

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Speaker 1: her son Jack Public One pill can kill? And what's

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Speaker 1: so scary? I'm throwing this out to doctor William Moroney.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Moroney has devoted himself to fighting the opioid crisis.

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Speaker 7: What Angela is describing is that the normal flow of

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Speaker 1: Well, you know another issue, Doctor William Roney, And let

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Speaker 1: Tom, Now, there's something called rainbow fentanyl. Rainbow fentanyl, and

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Speaker 2: Too, Raymond Judice.

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Speaker 1: So very often, you know, when we hear about a

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Speaker 1: And now the dope dealers are making them look like

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Speaker 5: Look, they want to use less real drugs. This stuff

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Speaker 7: You know, a crack.

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Speaker 5: Addict has to smoke an awful lot of crack to overdose.

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Speaker 2: Plus the profit motive. Oh yes, it's a huge profit.

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Speaker 1: Back to Mom Angela King, mother of Jack Angela, When

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Speaker 2: Like, okay and take it. You don't look at.

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Speaker 2: When did you learn what had happened?

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Speaker 3: That's right, Well, what you said is absolutely accurate. These

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Speaker 6: A fifteen year old Georgia high schooler overdoses in a

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Speaker 1: It is raging across our country and a mother still

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Speaker 9: Atlanta Homicide id's Abram Rancon is the person from whom

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Speaker 9: Listen to this. Abram Rancone's attorney, Jay apt says Rincon

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Speaker 2: What the hey?

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Speaker 1: Abram Raancone walks free on ro r released on own recognissance.

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Speaker 1: When he is the one dealing pills passing them off

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Speaker 5: Nancy, I suppose he came up for bond within ten

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Speaker 2: Hold your horses.

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Speaker 1: You to Jay, you said that maybe the autopsy report

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Speaker 5: It wasn't there at the time of the bond application, but.

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Speaker 1: It is now. Where are the advanced charges? You know,

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Speaker 1: all right, that have plenty of time to upgrade this

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Speaker 5: All due respect, Nancy, you worked in a different Fulton

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Speaker 5: Miss King is working on, and that our governor just

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Speaker 6: Paige Gibbons, a nineteen year old New York college student,

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Speaker 2: Paige Gibbons, known as they quote do Gooder.

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Speaker 1: She was a do gooder. Now she's dead because of

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Speaker 10: Paige Gibbons, nineteen, graduates from Our Lady of Mercy High

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that doctor William Maroney, her nickname was

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Speaker 1: do Gooder? She was working to provide mannikins to help

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Speaker 7: All across America? There's this tsunami of death that comes

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Speaker 7: our high schools in Michigan. But in Michigan we prosecute

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Speaker 7: people that give fentanyl as killers. It's homicide. But this

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Speaker 7: experimentation with percoset is not going to go away. And

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Speaker 7: we need to do two things in general society. We

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Speaker 7: need to begin to educate everybody, not just families at risk,

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Speaker 7: not just the poor, not just people are disenfranchised. We

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Speaker 7: need to educate everybody about what does an opioid overdose

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Speaker 7: look like? What does a fentanyl overdose look like? Because

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Speaker 7: this is going to happen everywhere. This is going to

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Speaker 7: happen in libraries.

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Speaker 1: Well here, speaking of what it looks like, we learned

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Speaker 1: that this nineteen year old takes what she believes is

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Speaker 1: one pill a percoset listen.

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Speaker 9: After a whirlwind few months in college, Paige Gibbons returns

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Speaker 9: home to Rochester for the Thanksgiving holiday. Gibbons spends the

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Speaker 9: night out of sleepover catching up with her two best friends.

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Speaker 9: The three girls decided to purchase percoset pills through social media.

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Speaker 9: While Gibbons and her friend take the pills, the third

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Speaker 9: friend becomes uncomfortable with the situation and skips the pill.

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Speaker 9: Paige Gibbons goes to sleep that night and never wakes up.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining us is Jack's mom,

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Speaker 1: Angela King. Angela, I know that Rachel, that Paige Gibbons

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Speaker 1: obtained what she thought was a single percoset pill along

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Speaker 1: with her friends on social media. How did Jack? I

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Speaker 1: think I know the answer. But how did Jack get

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Speaker 1: hooked up with this poc abram rincon.

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Speaker 3: Well, actually we found where Jack was, where he purchased

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Speaker 3: it this ab as he goes by, had a telegram

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Speaker 3: site that he was selling the drugs, and then he

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Speaker 3: was venmoeing. He was very brazen, had his own picture

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Speaker 3: up on his venmo account. He did go to North

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Speaker 3: Atlanta High School and that's where Jack went, so they

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Speaker 3: knew each other.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me understand something, Angela King, you're

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Speaker 1: telling me that Raancone was right there at the high

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Speaker 1: school selling drugs.

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Speaker 3: He didn't sell it at the high school. Jack was

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Speaker 3: in college. He went to high school with Jack. However,

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Speaker 3: he was arrested previously for drugs when he was at

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Speaker 3: North Atlanta. But we believe that connection happened Rincon was

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Speaker 3: a few years older than Jack, but they met in

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Speaker 3: high school.

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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, and back to you, Doctor William Maroney.

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Speaker 1: That's how it happens. You know a guy who knows

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Speaker 1: a guy you went, Hey, I went to the.

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Speaker 2: Same high school as you. Hey, do you know x Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We played lacrosse together, we played football together, And the

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Speaker 1: next thing you know, you know this guy ab also

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Speaker 1: known as Abram rain Cohn. So long story short, there's

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Speaker 1: a degree of familiarity. For instance, in Paige Gibbons case,

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Speaker 1: she was with all her friend girls and they're having

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Speaker 1: a sleepover and they go, wow, let's go on social

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Speaker 1: media and get a valum. It was one hundred percent fentanyl.

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Speaker 2: Dr Maroney.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it's the scourge. It's what's happening. People are buying

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Speaker 7: what they think are adderall, It's got fentanyl in it.

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Speaker 7: People are buying what they think are xanax. It's got

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Speaker 7: fentanyl in it. People are buying purposet. I mean drug

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Speaker 7: dealers used to least assimilate opioids at opioids and stimulants

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Speaker 7: with stimulants, but everything's mixed up and everything has fentanyl

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Speaker 7: in it because it's the common precursor everything being imported

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Speaker 7: is based on the smaller it is and the stronger,

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Speaker 7: more potent it is, the easier it is to smuggle it.

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Speaker 7: If you wanted to kill one hundred people, you need

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Speaker 7: this much heroin, and if you wanted to kill one

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Speaker 7: hundred people, you need this much fentanyl.

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Speaker 1: That much and you know another issue. Tom Smith, a

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Speaker 1: former NYPD now star on the Goalshield podcast at the

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Speaker 1: Goalsheerd at the gold Shieldshow dot com. Tom, these teams,

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Speaker 1: including Jack, have a degree familiarity with the person that

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Speaker 1: gives them the pill, and that makes them the victim

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Speaker 1: trust the person because of those connections, those seeming connections.

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Speaker 1: And with Paige Gibbons, who thinks she's getting a percocet,

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Speaker 1: she's with her friend girls obviously one of them had

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Speaker 1: done it before on social media and it was okay,

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Speaker 1: now she's dead, yep.

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Speaker 8: And what's the common denominator? And all this social media

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Speaker 8: and the electronics that are out there, the ease that

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Speaker 8: these kids have to purchase these pills that a laser

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Speaker 8: fentadel is so disturbing and that's the problem. Law enforcement

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Speaker 8: needs to go deep into the electronic footprints and get

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Speaker 8: to the drug dealers. They're there, the communication is there,

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Speaker 8: and the relationship is there. It's got to get found

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Speaker 8: and these people need to be criminally charged with man supporters.

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Speaker 8: We discussed throughout the show. There's got to be an

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Speaker 8: end to this. When is enough enough? One hundred thousand,

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Speaker 8: two hundred thousand, When is enough enough to make this

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Speaker 8: a national security issue for our children.

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Speaker 3: We're Kate and Dave Gibbons from Pittsford, New York. Our

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Speaker 3: daughter Page was just nineteen years old and had just

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Speaker 3: started college when she and a friend were given pills

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Speaker 3: they thought were percocet. Unfortunately it was spentanyl. Page overdosed

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Speaker 3: and died from one pill one time.

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Speaker 1: Get the facts and fring A locks on by mail.

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Speaker 10: Visit OASAS dot n Y dot gov.

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Speaker 2: This isn't something.

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Speaker 3: That only happens to other people, and we don't want

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Speaker 3: it to happen to anyone else.

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Speaker 9: Divino Nino Daycare in Kingsbridge, New York is now the

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Speaker 9: place of nightmares as trusting parents leave toddlers in the

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Speaker 9: care of responsible caregivers, when in reality they are leaving

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Speaker 9: their children with alleged monsters selling deadly fentanyl out of

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Speaker 9: the daycare. One year old Nicholas Felice Dominici dies from

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Speaker 9: fentanyl overdose and three other children are hospitalized. Police find

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Speaker 9: twenty two pounds of narcotics and one kilogram cake of

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Speaker 9: fentanyl being stored on top of children's playmats.

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Speaker 1: When this bay be inhaled the fentinyl dust, when that

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Speaker 1: fentanyl was moved to hide it in the daycare, when

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Speaker 1: he breathed that in, he died. And as we go

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Speaker 1: to air, joining me is Angela King, mother of Jack,

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Speaker 1: a beautiful young man who dies from one pill. Angela,

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Speaker 1: I have learned about three area three Bay Area babies,

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Speaker 1: three infants, Phoenix Castro, Winter Reo, and Christopher Ferea, all

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Speaker 1: dead from exposure to fentanyl, just being exposed to it.

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Speaker 1: And these are little infants. I was stunned when I

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Speaker 1: heard about the daycare case. They're just breathing in fentinyl

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Speaker 1: can kill you. One pill. One pill killed Jack. I

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Speaker 1: want to know what is your message?

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Speaker 3: First of all, thank you for thinking of me and

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Speaker 3: giving me this time. It is so important to talk

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Speaker 3: about it. We've got to educate. This needs to be

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Speaker 3: a requirement in all school systems. We need to educate

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Speaker 3: our children about the dangers of drugs. In addition, everyone

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00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 3: needs to have analoxone. There's Narcan, but there's also another

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Speaker 3: product called kluck Sato, which is eight milligrams. Narcan is

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Speaker 3: four milligrams every minute matters. Everyone should have cluck Sado

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Speaker 3: on their person, in their cars, in the children's backpacks.

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Speaker 3: It was just passed here in Georgia that now schools

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Speaker 3: will all carry the narcan. Everyone needs to know how

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Speaker 3: to use it. It's a nosepray. This is the world

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Speaker 3: we're living in. We have to get educated. We have

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Speaker 3: to start talking about this. There needs to be a

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Speaker 3: mandatory in school's, a drug program like I told you,

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Speaker 3: you know, Mother's against drunk driving. I want to do

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Speaker 3: a campaign like that. This needs to be discussed every

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Speaker 3: day on the news. Love your children, Jack knew, Jack

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Speaker 3: knew better. All of our kids know better, and just

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Speaker 3: know that they need to know that if they take

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Speaker 3: that pill throughout having fun with their friends and they

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Speaker 3: take that pill, that's it. You don't know, it's Russian roulette,

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Speaker 3: and don't do that to your family.

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Speaker 4: This tragic Angela.

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Speaker 1: I want you and doctor Maroney to know that you

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Speaker 1: have already impacted a life. Mine a new doctor is

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Speaker 1: treating my mom who lives with us, and had given

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Speaker 1: her a different kind of painkiller for her spine. I

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Speaker 1: went in her room to take her breakfast like I

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Speaker 1: do every morning, and this was preparing for to day,

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Speaker 1: and she was out cold. I didn't know what had happened.

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Speaker 1: I immediately got her and it was hard. The twins

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Speaker 1: had to help me into the back of the car.

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Speaker 1: We took her to the hospital and by even using

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Speaker 1: her prescribed dosage of an opioid painkiller, she was out.

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Speaker 1: They saved her life, my mother with Narkian. They saved

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Speaker 1: her life, and it threw her into a fit like

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that lasted eight or nine hours.

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Speaker 2: I thought the narkhn was going to kill her.

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Speaker 1: The Narkian saved her life at her age. An accidental

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Speaker 1: completely following a new prescription as prescribed newly killed her.

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Speaker 1: You have already affected so many lives, including you too,

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Speaker 1: doctor Moroni. I first heard about Narkian from you, you

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Speaker 1: know again to Angela. Parents don't think their child would

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Speaker 1: ever do this. That's what you thought about, Jack. That's

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Speaker 1: what parents all across the country, me as parents, the Gibbonses,

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Speaker 1: all these parents, they have these wonderful children and they

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Speaker 1: have no idea that one pill can kill again.

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Speaker 2: Angela, speak to parents.

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Speaker 3: Now, start talking to your kids, start talking to everyone.

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Speaker 3: This sentinyl crisis that we're in is getting worse. It

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Speaker 3: is going to get worse until we can close the

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Speaker 3: borders and there's something that happens on a national, federal level.

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Speaker 3: We're in a major crisis. More children are going to die.

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Speaker 3: We have to start talking about it. We have to

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Speaker 3: start making a difference and educate your children, love them up.

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Speaker 3: Just know that this could happen to your children, and unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: this is the world we live in.

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Speaker 4: By the narcan learn how to use it.

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Speaker 3: It needs to be in every place, in concert arenas

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Speaker 3: and football stadiums. Cluxato is now putting it into Emory

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Speaker 3: University in a vending machine. It needs to be on

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Speaker 3: in every school campus. There needs to be mandatory education

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Speaker 3: and I'm going to do anything and everything in my

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Speaker 3: power to make that happen to everyone.

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Speaker 1: Please know you can dial toll free eight hundred sixty

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Speaker 1: six y two help eight hundred sixty six two, four

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Speaker 1: three five seven or nine eight eight, just like you

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Speaker 1: call nine one one or four to one one nine,

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Speaker 1: eight eight. Send special thank you to Jack's mother joining

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Speaker 1: US ANGELA King. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend,