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Speaker 1: dot com. Good morning, everybody. Happy Wednesday Wednesday, Yeah, Wednesday

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Speaker 1: Wednesday pro show. Good to see you, Ryan, Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for having me. I really appreciate all the

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Speaker 1: flexibility with the schedule. As you know, Ryan, young children

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Speaker 1: are constantly sick. Who knew?

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Speaker 3: Who knew?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out that they're constantly sick. Yes, apparently

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Speaker 1: we have a stomach plague sweeping through our household as

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Speaker 1: that's right, don't worry. Officially have not been yet yet

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Speaker 1: afflicted with the plague. But thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: having me Ryan. We've got a great show for everybody today,

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Speaker 1: literally breaking news, reforming everything at the top, which we're

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Speaker 1: going to lead with the United States currently boarding or

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Speaker 1: a Russian flagged oil vessel in the North Atlantic. This

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Speaker 1: is a very interesting situation. Was previously unflagged, sanctioned US vessel,

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Speaker 1: which officially reflagged the Russian Navy actually sent a submarine

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Speaker 1: to escort it to Russia. There are multiple other Russian

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Speaker 1: flagged vessels now they have been reflagged. This is potentially

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Speaker 1: sparkings a major geopolitical tension with Russia over this new

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Speaker 1: oil cambit in Venezuela. We're also going to talk about China.

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Speaker 1: There's been a lot of talk in China, particularly after

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Speaker 1: the US decapitation of Maduro. I can't say the Maduro regime,

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Speaker 1: but at least going in the extraordinary rendition, there's been

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Speaker 1: that that obviously is potentially the most influential conflict on

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Speaker 1: all of our lives. You know, ten times more important

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Speaker 1: what will happen geopolitically, the most you know, tense region

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Speaker 1: in the globe. But then of course we're going to

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Speaker 1: have to return to Venezuela because Ryan, we're getting an

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Speaker 1: announcement from the President some thirty to fifty million barrels

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Speaker 1: of oil by the current regime will be turned over

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Speaker 1: to the United States being rich.

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Speaker 3: Congratulations.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not yet sure about that because it's actually

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Speaker 1: going to be sold out of market.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot to say about. It's actually kind

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Speaker 1: of interesting from a general oil perspective, but it actually

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Speaker 1: does show you what the designs of all of this

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Speaker 1: an update about Venezuela as well, just kind of what's

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Speaker 1: and your team have been able to bring us. Greenland.

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Speaker 1: We're going to talk about Greenland. Stephen Miller saying that

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Speaker 3: Maybe we'll trade yeah, oil tanker for it.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind.

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Speaker 3: That would be a good deal. Yeah, what do you think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're already there, right, Yeah, okay, we could take Greenland.

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Speaker 1: And I will be reading for you from Seward's report

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Speaker 1: And we're going to talk about visas. So I have

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Speaker 1: said here before, I do often feel personally intact by

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, from marijuana to gambling, like there's so

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Speaker 1: The US one extraordinary talent visa is now overwhelmingly going

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Speaker 1: as you well know, as a libertine yourself, a connection

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Speaker 3: So yeah, we have a bunch of fit only fans.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so now we just have a bunch of porn

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Speaker 4: Story I broke back in like two thousand and seven

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Speaker 4: was Anthony Wiener? Yeah, created to carve out more model visas?

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Speaker 3: Which? I think this is what was.

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Speaker 1: So it turns out there were signs there still.

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Speaker 1: Is one of the best stories in Washington history. I

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Speaker 1: will truly never forget it. And then Ryan, a couple

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Speaker 1: When you tell the Auden this is this will be fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Emily listened to a season of Blowback to prepare

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Speaker 4: So we're going to have Brenn and James and Noah

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Speaker 4: Coole one of blowback because their latest season is on Angola.

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Speaker 4: But in that season there turns out to be they

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Speaker 3: Where did he make his money? How do you get

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Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up here on the screen.

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Speaker 1: RT That's because it's Russian propaganda. It's a Russian vessel. Okay,

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Speaker 1: You know, it is the news after all. Ryan, So

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Speaker 1: what you guys can see in front of you is

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Speaker 1: video that has been released by RT. This is from

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Speaker 1: the tanker previously known as Bella one. This was an

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Speaker 1: in connection with Iranian oil. The United States now have

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Speaker 1: It is now a fish, a Russian flagged oil vessel

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and people often say that if you want the

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Speaker 4: real news, you go to some place like The Onion.

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Speaker 4: he is under indictment for. But there's no such thing

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Speaker 1: spheres of influence. You know, I'm somebody who largely I

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Speaker 1: think international laws fake. I think everything is. But that

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that you should just do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want. That there's never been

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Speaker 1: a true limiting principle on power. What has always been

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Speaker 1: a check again power, right, And so not only that,

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Speaker 1: if you look, let's say at the most competent real

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Speaker 1: politique statesman, people like Bismarck, you know, people like Eisenhower,

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Speaker 1: the genuine managers of empire. They always recognize checks balances,

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Speaker 1: vital security interests, the ability to be very cogent and

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Speaker 1: even in terms of potential over extension, to never do so,

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Speaker 1: and to maintain some sort of balance. What we're acting

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Speaker 1: like right now is completely drunk with power that we

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Speaker 1: don't have. So that's the final word I want to

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Speaker 1: make here, is that during the Twelve Day War, the

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Speaker 1: United States spent twenty five percent of it's that twenty

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Speaker 1: five percent of that interceptor's entire stock file was depleted

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Speaker 1: in twelve days in a war that we were not

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Speaker 1: even involved in. Whenever it comes to with the shells.

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Speaker 3: No offense to Iran third or power sixth grade power.

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Speaker 1: Whenever it comes to something that we're dealing with right here,

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Speaker 1: whenever you know, we think about artillery munitions, we don't

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Speaker 1: even have enough to supply all of Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we had to overthrow Imran k We literally had

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Speaker 4: exactly stand and them and blackmail South Korea to send

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Speaker 4: all of their shells.

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Speaker 1: We have nothing for an actually prolonged conflict. That is

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Speaker 1: why do you think I've been freaking out about Ukraine

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Speaker 1: and Israel, because we are blowing hundreds of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you an inside story about Midnight Hammer

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Speaker 1: and I have this confirmed, is that the actual op

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Speaker 1: plan for Centcom was a thirty five day bombing campaign

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Speaker 1: against Iran.

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Speaker 3: That's the this is really attacked.

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Speaker 1: This is the US. No, no, no, this was Midnight Hammer.

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Speaker 1: Was our attack on the Iranian nuclear.

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Speaker 3: Facilities, the one that came out after Israel.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the op plan for the United States thirty five

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Speaker 1: days of bombing. You know why we couldn't do it?

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Speaker 1: Do that. We don't have any munitions, We don't have

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Speaker 1: stories stores thirty five day bombing campaign. There is also

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Speaker 1: a story I was told about Midnight Hammer where Jess

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Speaker 1: Midnight Hammer one B two bombing rate required so much

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Speaker 1: logistical headache and stretched them to the brim that it

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Speaker 1: almost broke the logis. But in terms of having to resupply,

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Speaker 1: having forward deployment, like all of that, not to mention

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Speaker 1: what just happened here with Maduro. So can we do

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Speaker 1: extraordinary one time limited operations? Of course, this is America.

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Speaker 1: We're the best at that. We're like a high precision

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Speaker 1: tooled F one race car sprinter that is not one

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Speaker 1: that is not what wins wars. What wins wars is?

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Nazis are a good example. They had

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Speaker 1: plenty of I mean they literally the first jet aircraft

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Speaker 1: in World War Two didn't matter because we can just

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Speaker 1: roll B seventeen's as many as we possibly want. You

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Speaker 1: want the Ford factory that just cranks out, you know,

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Speaker 1: fine enough stuff compared to this high precision stuff which

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Speaker 1: has been nuked currently the defense industrial complex, because that's

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Speaker 1: what's really super expensive. F thirty five is another good example,

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Speaker 1: so that in the real context of what we're dealing with.

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Speaker 4: Corilla's air campaign against the Houthis is also a good example.

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Speaker 4: That was that was supposed to last like three or

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Speaker 4: four months and it ended up lasting just a couple

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Speaker 4: of weeks because they're like, oh, this isn't doing damage.

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Speaker 3: We thought it was.

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Speaker 1: We're running out of stan and we ran out of stockpiles.

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Speaker 1: And that was against the Hopies, a nonstate actor. Now

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Speaker 1: we're screwing.

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Speaker 3: We're knocking our ships off, knocking our planes. That's right.

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Speaker 1: We lost two separate aircraft in the incidents age. You know,

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Speaker 1: people look at Midnight Hammer and the Maduro thing and

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Speaker 1: they're like, oh, America's back. No, it's the opposite guy.

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Speaker 1: That's all we can do. Now, that's part of the problem.

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Speaker 1: So long wit died. I apologize, but I mean I

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Speaker 1: do think this is a very, very very significant event,

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Speaker 1: and who knows how the Kremlin will react. I'm not

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Speaker 1: predicting war or any of that, but you know, at

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Speaker 1: the very same time they're trying to do some deal

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Speaker 1: in Ukraine. I mean, why would you make a deal

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Speaker 1: whenever this is the BS that you would have to

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Speaker 1: deal with. So we'll see. All right, let's get on

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Speaker 1: to China. Turning now to China, you know, I do

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Speaker 1: think that this is genuinely the most important after effect

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Speaker 1: and question of the post Madua world is how are

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Speaker 1: Russia China going to react? What will the world take away,

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Speaker 1: let's say, from this US action of extraordinarily renditioning Nicholas

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Speaker 1: Maduro and inside of Venezuela. Obviously this is a country rhyne.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you can tell us more, but had deep ties

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Speaker 1: with Cuba, had deep ties with Russia, had deep ties

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Speaker 1: with China, largely with China. They It wasn't ideological. China

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Speaker 1: was like, look, we don't care who governs you. We'll

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Speaker 1: take the oil, all right, Like we'll come in, We'll

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Speaker 1: buy as much as we possibly want. And that's why

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Speaker 1: everybody's eyes kind of went wide here when Delsea Rodriguez,

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Speaker 1: the so called new pro American or like you know,

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Speaker 1: American puppet. I guess if you want to stay down

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Speaker 1: in Venezuela at her swearing in, guys, let's go and

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Speaker 1: play this video just openly. It starts to embrace the

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Speaker 1: Chinese ambassador, the Russian ambassador, and then following the Iranian ambassador.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, clearly I think it was a telegraphed

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Speaker 1: signal from Venezuela from the Rodriguez regime. I guess we

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Speaker 1: should call it now. But in and of itself, it

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Speaker 1: does show you the Chinese are not going to take

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Speaker 1: this lot just lying down. I'm not saying they're going

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Speaker 1: to start a war or anything like that, but they're

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Speaker 1: going to start planning for the future. There was actually

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Speaker 1: a Chinese delegation inside of Venezuela that met with maderin

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Speaker 1: hours before he was actually kidnapped. And so you put

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Speaker 1: it all together, and their takeaway from this geopolitically is

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Speaker 1: going to be the most important one. So Russia's bogged

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Speaker 1: down in Ukraine, they're, you know, more of a second

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Speaker 1: rate power, but the first rate power here has to

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Speaker 1: be looking around and just going Okay, what do we

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Speaker 1: do now? And I mean, I want your analysis, but

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Speaker 1: we'll also show everybody inside Beijing, they're having a lot

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Speaker 1: of very interesting debates about what this all means.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and this goes back back to our sanctions policy,

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Speaker 4: at which Trump, you know, heavily ramped up. He tried

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Speaker 4: to do his tried to coop Maduro his first term

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Speaker 4: didn't happen. So they deeply ramped up the sanctions, which

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Speaker 4: which produced two things, well three things, and they led

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Speaker 4: to each other. Misery among the people of Venezuela, which

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Speaker 4: then led to an outflow of migration.

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Speaker 3: That's why we have you know.

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Speaker 4: So many Venezuelans flee, you know, pouring into the country

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Speaker 4: from the time of Trump's sanctions up until fairly recently.

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Speaker 4: And then it also led to tightening relationships between Venezuela

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Speaker 4: and Russia, ran in China because those countries can then

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Speaker 4: come in and get basically heavily discounted oil because now

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Speaker 4: he because you're blocked from selling it like to lots

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Speaker 4: of other places. So we created all of the conditions

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Speaker 4: that we're now complaining about, both the migration crisis and

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Speaker 4: also the tight relationship with between Venezuela and these countries

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Speaker 4: that we consider our adversaries, which we're.

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Speaker 3: Now saying we're going to go in and solve just

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Speaker 3: with with violence.

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Speaker 4: Put up this next element up on the screen, because

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Speaker 4: this is what that image that you saw is now

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Speaker 4: in direct conflict with Trump's order to uh hit to Rodriguez.

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Speaker 4: He said, So this is the Trump administration told Venezuela

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Speaker 4: as interim president, the regime must meet several conditions before being.

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Speaker 3: Allowed to pump more oil.

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Speaker 4: And the demands are the country must kick out China, Russia, Iran,

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Speaker 4: and Cuba and sever economic ties. Venezuela must agree to

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Speaker 4: partner exclusively with the US on oil production and favor

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Speaker 4: America when selling heavy crude oil. So we can talk

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Speaker 4: about Cube in a second, because that's very that's a

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Speaker 4: Rubio element here.

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Speaker 3: But you're like, who cares about Cuba?

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Speaker 4: Rubio cares about and they think that this is the

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Speaker 4: way that they're gonna destroy that destroy that government as well.

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Speaker 4: But it's like this is and this goes to your

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Speaker 4: point about Sphie has influenced everything else, like wait, kick

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Speaker 4: them out, We kick them out.

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Speaker 1: So we can to what end right, So.

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Speaker 4: It can China say all right, you know what, I

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Speaker 4: went to the US out of South Korea, the Philippines, Japan, Malaysia, Japan.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like get out.

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Speaker 1: You can say that. Yeah, exactly so. And this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is everyone's like, I got

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Speaker 1: a lot of income in They're like, this is the

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Speaker 1: world that you want to live in spheres of influence,

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Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I believe strongly in spheres of influence.

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Speaker 1: I also believe though, that other countries have spheres of

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Speaker 1: influence where we also which should be a lot of influence.

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Speaker 1: And part of the reason why you should tread lightly

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Speaker 1: is to always make sure that let's say we're acting.

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Speaker 1: You know, the people said you can't allow Chinese and

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Speaker 1: Russian domination of Venezuela. To say that is absurd. Did

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Speaker 1: China and Russia buy oil from Venezuela? Yeah, was Venezuela

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Speaker 1: a Chinese puppet regime? Preposterous? I literally looked at the

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Speaker 1: amount of oil that they were getting. It's like five

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Speaker 1: percent total, right, in terms of China oil at all.

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Speaker 1: It's really not that important to China. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: it's five percent is not nothing, but it's not exactly

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Speaker 1: going to kill you either. Same with the Russians. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Kremlin had these quasi ties to Maduro. They would

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Speaker 1: kind of meet, you know, every once in a while,

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Speaker 1: but it was not even close to some sort of

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Speaker 1: puppet regimes, mostly an alliance of convenience. One of the

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Speaker 1: reasons why that I supported the deal with Maduro is

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Speaker 1: that I was like, hey, the deal on the table

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Speaker 1: is probably better for America because they effectively did it anyway.

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Speaker 1: You keep the security apparatus, you try not to have

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Speaker 1: the country descend into chaos. You let them sell us

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Speaker 1: a ton of oil, and then basically you can allow

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Speaker 1: US companies to go in there and then sell it

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Speaker 1: to the world. That's what Trump even said. Trump said,

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Speaker 1: We're going to sell China a ton of oil. He

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Speaker 1: literally said that. It's just that as one of the

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Speaker 1: US companies are the ones who are going to trill it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, okay, that we could have had that deal

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Speaker 1: under Maduro too, So I'm like, I don't really care.

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Speaker 1: But the thing here is if you're China again and

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Speaker 1: you're watching this explicit embrace of spears of influence, then yeah,

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Speaker 1: they can say the same thing.

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Speaker 4: That's what Zara's talking about here this watching posts and

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Speaker 4: a lot of other news outlets reporting China studying US

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Speaker 4: strike for lessons and opportunities, and there's a there's a

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Speaker 4: funny pro American slant to this coverage, which is saying that,

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Speaker 4: you know, the the kind of the evil, greedy and

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00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 4: and self interested and selfish Chinese who would who love

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00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 4: to do this sort of thing are now very excited

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Speaker 4: because the US doing it is giving them a green light.

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Speaker 3: What that miss is that we've been doing.

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Speaker 4: This kind of thing for one hundred plus years like this,

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Speaker 4: this is not new. But for those hundred plus years,

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Speaker 4: two hundred years, we have been a shining city on

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Speaker 4: a hill, and we've we've had these ideals right and

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Speaker 4: sometimes sometimes we've we liked da, We've we needed the idea.

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Speaker 1: We tell the people that, we.

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Speaker 3: We tell the people that, whereas.

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Speaker 4: Now we're just braw like, yeah, we're just taking the oil,

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Speaker 4: and so China is like, so, but I don't anyway,

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Speaker 4: go ahead.

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Speaker 3: So how do you think China's responding to this?

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Speaker 1: I think that this is the best. I have always

653
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Speaker 1: advocated for honesty and international relations. That's why I think

654
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Speaker 1: sometimes that's why I mean the whole the actual Neokon

655
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: dream of like Maria Machado and all that. I'm like,

656
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. If we're going to do anything with Venezuela,

657
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: it's going to be over oil. And that's you know,

658
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: and to Trump, at least he said it out loud,

659
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: because at least we can speak honestly about oil, about

660
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: power projection, about whether this is good idea bad idea.

661
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Speaker 1: That's how I think that everything should really be looked at. Well.

662
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 1: With China, what they love more than anything if you

663
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Speaker 1: talk to the Chinese or the Russians. But I had

664
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Speaker 1: this once from a friend who actually negotiated directly with

665
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Speaker 1: the Chinese and specifically talked with them sometimes about the

666
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Speaker 1: Taiwan question. And what they would always point to is

667
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 1: we would try to lecture them about norms. They're like, oh,

668
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: norms like Iraq, right, And they would just every time Iraq, Iraq, Iraq. Well,

669
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Speaker 1: I had I knew somebody who sat across the table

670
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: from him, Jong Un, and I spoke with them a

671
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: little bit about it, and every single time denuclearization he's like, oh,

672
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: like Kadafi, right. I mean, there's nothing that they love

673
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: more than pointing this out putin even famously said that

674
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Speaker 1: he was asked by a US journalist about democracy and

675
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: he said, do you mean the democracy that you bring

676
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: into Iraq? He's like, we do not want that here

677
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: in Russia, you know, and can't blame him. And that's

678
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: kind of a good point, right, And so what I

679
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: see inside of this is that it has always driven

680
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: them crazy. Is the hypocrisy about norms and respect for

681
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: international law and all of this with the Chinese and

682
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: the Russians correctly say, is the architecture of the US

683
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: Empire after World War Two, which was built to make

684
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: it flourished. That's all very true. What I even though

685
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: I do want everything to be dealt with, honestly, we

686
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Speaker 1: should also say, nobody cares if China takes over Taiwan

687
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: because of international law. We care about the chips. That's it, Okay.

688
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: If it was a military dictatorship and it had TSMC,

689
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: would we really be talking about to, Like, No, I

690
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: don't and I'll be honest to I don't care if

691
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Speaker 1: Taiwan as a democracy or not. It has it wasn't

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Speaker 1: you know when it.

693
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Speaker 3: Originally was interesting.

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Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, right, Oh, it's we have to defend it.

695
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: Because it's a democracy. Who cares. Sorry, It's all about

696
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: whether we get the chips or not. That's it. Period. Now.

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: The story though from Beijing is they're looking at this

698
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: exact story with Venezuela and they're like, yes, we agree,

699
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Speaker 1: great powers have interests in their spheres of influence. Taiwan

700
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Speaker 1: is this isn't They don't even talk about it as

701
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,760
Speaker 1: an external policy. They said, this is the internal policy

702
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: of China. Period. You will not interfere in our country's affairs,

703
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: they believe, and they always call it mutual respect for

704
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Speaker 1: each other's for each country, and what they mean by

705
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Speaker 1: that is they're like, this is part of our country.

706
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Speaker 1: And so inside of China what they're studying and how

707
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: brands who I love. He's a very interesting guy. He's

708
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: he wrote this quote, if you are headed toward a

709
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: world where great powers can use force and use powers

710
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: ruthlessly in their own neighborhoods, that precedent is not a

711
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: bad one from China's perspective. He says, it fits exactly

712
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Speaker 1: with the Beijing way. Beijing would like to behave in

713
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: the places like the South China Sea or the Taiwan

714
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Speaker 1: Straight and what they've done inside of China. Not only

715
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: is look at this operation, but what I love too

716
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: is over there. They're a little bit puzzled, So let's

717
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: put the next one up there on the screen. On

718
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 1: their social media, there have been wild debates with kind

719
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: of their version of influencers. One camp said we should

720
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Speaker 1: immediately do this to Taiwan. I mean, anyone can indict anybody,

721
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,720
Speaker 1: especially in China except further obviously right. But the debate

722
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: by the smarter Chinese, they go, yeah, there's only one problem.

723
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 1: We Taiwan is ours, so we wouldn't keep the regime.

724
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: They're like in a lot of ways, it's very stupid

725
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: from the US perspective because they just took away Maduro,

726
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: but they kept the rest of the apparatus. If we

727
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: were to do this, we would arrest the Taiwanese president

728
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: and the entire cabinet and run the security forces and

729
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: invade or strike some sort of you know, pit deal,

730
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Speaker 1: which would actually entail Beijing running this entire thing. So

731
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: the Chinese are looking at this with both I wouldn't

732
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: say awe per se because everybody knew the US could

733
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: do this, But the Chinese are looking at this with

734
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: oh okay, So we get to do this type of

735
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: stuff in our own backyard and you can't say anything

736
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: about it. But they're also looking at it with the

737
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: same critical eye that we are. Ryan of Well, yeah,

738
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,959
Speaker 1: you might have taken out Maduro, but you still kept

739
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: the entire apparatus. And a lot of people who are

740
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 1: anti American or pro Russian, pro Chinese, they're like, you

741
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: don't have nearly enough control. If anything, you didn't go

742
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: far enough. But the precedent, at the very least in China,

743
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: they're loving it. This is the best possible thing that

744
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: has happened for them in a long time. I'm not

745
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: saying it's going to make Taiwan more likely or not.

746
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: It makes it if it happens. That the playbook of

747
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: the way that they would message it, the way they

748
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: would deal the administration, the way they would deal with Europe,

749
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Speaker 1: and I do I want to talk a lot about

750
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 1: European hypocrisy too, because they also point this too. With Venezuela.

751
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, good luck with that one. I'm talking

752
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: about you. I mean, you have Zelenski out there openly

753
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: celebrating it, saying, oh, the US should go do this

754
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: to putin Now I'm like, oh yeah, that's definitely not

755
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: going to work against you, you know, smaller power in

756
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Speaker 1: the sphere of influence of another greater power, let's say,

757
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: than you. So the hypocrisy that's been exposed in all

758
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: of this, and also the explicit affirmation of sphere of

759
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:29,399
Speaker 1: influenced doctrine is one that the Chinese. Again, I don't

760
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: think it'll make it more likely or less whenever it

761
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Speaker 1: comes Taiwan. If they're going to do it, they're going

762
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: to do it. But it makes the eventual way that

763
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Speaker 1: they do and are able to maintain relations around its

764
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: own you know, in Asia and also with Europe. It

765
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: makes that very very different, which is much much to

766
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: their benefit, I think as a result of this action.

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Speaker 4: And the one thing I'd push back on is that

768
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 4: I think there's a little bit of projection from these

769
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 4: American analysts who are saying that China wants to be

770
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: a bully like this and is excited about now the

771
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 4: possibility that they can do that. I think that's we

772
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 4: love to be a bully. But Chinese approach to these

773
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,759
Speaker 4: two smaller countries, I don't think they love the way

774
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: that China deals with them Necessarily, it's never fun to

775
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 4: deal with a much more powerful partner, but China, and

776
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: the US criticizes China for this. China always respects the

777
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 4: sovereignty and the internal politics of the country that they're

778
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 4: doing business with. They don't come in and complain about

779
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 4: human rights violations like they don't. They're not like, you

780
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 4: need to do this, you need to do that, or

781
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: you need to take this position. Even when it comes

782
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: to the United States, they're like, you want to work

783
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 4: with the United States, work with the United States. We

784
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 4: have a deal that we want to do here. We

785
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:50,760
Speaker 4: want to help build you some infrastructure, and in exchange

786
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 4: for that, we're going to make loans and the loans

787
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 4: are going to be repaid in the case of Venezuela

788
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 4: in oil, like that's what they want to do. They

789
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 4: don't actually want to come in and arrest people and

790
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Speaker 4: tell them that they have to live the way that

791
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Speaker 4: the Chinese think they want to live. So I think

792
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 4: that the US is confuses itself, Yes.

793
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: A little bit, because in the case of Taiwan, they

794
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: literally do right. They actually do care whether Taiwan I

795
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: mean that depends a little bit different.

796
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, or I would also say Taiwan is part of

797
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 4: China right according to the US.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about like the outer Empire, let's say, if

799
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: there are such things. No, but I do think they

800
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: care about Japan for example, which I can just go

801
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: and put this up on the screen. Let's go and

802
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: put where do I have it here with China, or

803
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: at least I did. The Chinese very recently, I think

804
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Speaker 1: just yesterday actually did a bunch of export controls against

805
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: Japan because they said something marginally supportive of Taiwan. No,

806
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: they do care actually when the people in their backyard

807
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: have their policy towards the United States and or to Taiwan.

808
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: But I will say this, and I saw a great

809
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Speaker 1: piece of analysis. I wish I knew who it was.

810
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: Is the current way that this is happening is that

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00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: the Chinese are kind of like the Soviets in the

812
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Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, where they were tremendous military power in their backyard,

813
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Speaker 1: as in like they had control of the USSR, they

814
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Speaker 1: crushed you know, Hungary, they had control there, but they

815
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: were watching leftist aligned regimes. Let's say in the outer Empire,

816
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: places like in South America or others. Get Africa, Get

817
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:26,799
Speaker 1: which where our guests we're going to talk about get

818
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: bullied around by the United States. And what the Soviet

819
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: Union did is explicitly then made a choice to go

820
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Speaker 1: all in on militarization because they said we can't allow that.

821
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Speaker 1: And so that if anything is likely to change, because

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Speaker 1: the Chinese are going to say, well, we can't win

823
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: with soft power if the other side is going to

824
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: be using hard power, and they might just fully embrace,

825
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, a US style policy and say that this

826
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: clearly is not working necessarily to our benefit. They kind

827
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Speaker 1: of have a two fork in the road way and

828
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Speaker 1: I could easily see that, you know, them kind of

829
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Speaker 1: switching gears.

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Speaker 4: Although a lot of those socialist countries or insurgent movements

831
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Speaker 4: would complain that actually the Civie Union did not go

832
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Speaker 4: all in and they wish they.

833
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Speaker 3: Had gone in more.

834
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

835
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 4: No, and China, because China had split with the Soviet Union,

836
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: then they were actually offen siding with the US or

837
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 4: just not involved at all.

838
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Speaker 3: And we'll talk about that in our Angola segment later.

839
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Speaker 4: But real quickly, speaking of those, let's talk about Cuba

840
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 4: for a second. Two So Rubio thinks that this is

841
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: his path to regime change in Cuba, like that He's

842
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 4: made that quite explicit. He even said it out loud,

843
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 4: put up a four here. So he's going to successfully

844
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 4: cut oil off to the island now when it comes

845
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Speaker 4: to a miserating the population. And so this is this

846
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 4: headline here, China Support helping Cuba advance towards energy sovereignty

847
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 4: and sustainability. It's in a pro China publication. So the

848
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: question here, there are two questions here. Can they cut

849
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 4: off energy? Yes, it does seem like they're going to

850
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 4: be able to cut off oil going to Cuba. What

851
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 4: will that do to daily life in Cuba? But also

852
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 4: what will it do when it comes to access to energy.

853
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 4: So the problem that Rubio has when it comes to

854
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 4: access to energy is that the US has so thoroughly

855
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 4: annihilated the island that a significant percentage of the population

856
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: has no electricity all day long already, and a lot

857
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 4: of the island has like two hours of electricity.

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00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 3: So they are used to suffering.

859
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 4: So they have created so much suffering that they can

860
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Speaker 4: only marginally increase it, you know, by this tiny bit. Now,

861
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 4: the problem is Cuba was using a lot of the

862
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 4: oil that they were getting from Venezuela and then reselling

863
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Speaker 4: it internationally and then using the currency that they were

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Speaker 4: getting to keep their economy alive amid these these sanctions

865
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Speaker 4: and other blockades and obstacles the US put.

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Speaker 3: In front of them. So even though.

867
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: That you can barely only you can barely reduce the

868
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 4: amount of power that Cubans have access to, what you

869
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: can do is strip the island of currency entirely and

870
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 4: just like basically shut things down and create almost starvation

871
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 4: like condition. There are starvation like conditions actually underway in Cuba.

872
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: Now that those those will those will ramp up, but

873
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 4: to the point of how little there is left to

874
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 4: take away. You can put up a five here, This

875
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 4: is a chart from the Financial Times.

876
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,240
Speaker 3: Venezuela is no longer.

877
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 4: Even the largest supplier of oil to Cuba.

878
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 3: That that is actually now Mexico.

879
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 4: And Mexico has slightly increased its exports to Cuba, which

880
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,840
Speaker 4: has put it above Venezuela, which whose exports have completely collapsed.

881
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 4: And that's that's that's because of the sanctions, because Venezuela

882
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: just doesn't have the amount to export anymore.

883
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: Now.

884
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 4: Shine Bomb has said that she's sticking with Cuba, and

885
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 4: this is and and Trump has been very frustrated at

886
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: shine Bomb for this.

887
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 3: So this is going to.

888
00:44:54,520 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 4: Be a another serious U moment of confrontation between Mexico

889
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 4: and the United States because Shinbaum views it as I think,

890
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: a matter of principle, and also she sees the walls

891
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 4: closing in, like right when governments are taking over all

892
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 4: over the entire hemisphere.

893
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: So it's a sovereign country. They're like, well, we're going

894
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: to sell oil to everyone right to who they are

895
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: a buyer, will sell it right exactly. And see, let

896
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: me this is a perfect example of why all these

897
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: idiots chanting Monroe doctrine or realism or any of that.

898
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 1: Why would you base your relations with a nation which

899
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: controls forty percent of your bilateral trade on an island

900
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: of Cuba, which is off the coast of floor for

901
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:45,800
Speaker 1: purely ideological purposes. I said this about India. I was like, okay,

902
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: so we are going to, you know, subjugate all of

903
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: our relations with one of the world's largest countries, the

904
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: largest by population, one of the largest economies in the world,

905
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: based on Russia and on Ukraine. It's like, clearly the

906
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 1: lateralism should be purely unlike okay, like what's good for us,

907
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: like right here, not what's going on in some tertiary

908
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: style conflict that's kind of like neo conservatism or neoliberalism

909
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: at its height, is that because Rubio's father didn't like Cuba,

910
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: we're going to subjugate our relations here with Claudia Scheinbaum

911
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 1: and with Mexico. I mean, what are our primary problems

912
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,399
Speaker 1: with Mexico. Let's say, drugs, cartels, and trade. That's it.

913
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: Everything should be completely on that basis. And you know,

914
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: on the drug front, she's done, okay, I mean enough right,

915
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: doing what you can, sent ten thousand troops to the

916
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: order we are shut chat, didn't complain when the border

917
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:42,280
Speaker 1: got completely shut down. I mean, has pretty significantly worked

918
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: with the administration when it comes to immigration, maintained her

919
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: own support as domestically, you know, being seen as somebody

920
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: who's willing to play ball but also willing to stand up.

921
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: I mean, what else could you ask.

922
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 4: For, especially for a country who is just south of

923
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 4: the most fvoracious drug users on the planet. We want

924
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,399
Speaker 4: to get high really bad, and we have a lot

925
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 4: of money to do it, and then we complain that

926
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 4: people are selling it to us.

927
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: Yes, we actually, yes, some of much of it is

928
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 1: supplied for it. But we could save that argument, I

929
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: think for another day. I think at the very least

930
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: what we can show everybody here is that with the

931
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: China situation, and with China in particular, they are this

932
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 1: was more important of a moment than I think I

933
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: originally thought at the time, because at first I said, Okay,

934
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: we do all this stuff every day, you know, overthrowing

935
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: countries in Latin America. If anything, it's an old return

936
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: to US policy. But in the current environment, I think

937
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: what I did underestimate from the Chinese perspective was the

938
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: explicit embrace of sphere of influence doctrine, especially when we're

939
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: so overextended. I mean, if you look for China's perspective,

940
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: they see that, they see now a boondoggle. Who knows

941
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: what's going to happen in Venezuela could go it could

942
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: go good, it could go probably bad. I would bet

943
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: on bad over the long run. You look at Israel.

944
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, Israel's asking us to bomb Iran yesterday.

945
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 3: They want to go they want.

946
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: To go back to Yeah, they're literally right now right,

947
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: So something that pop off there. You got the hooty situation,

948
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: the streets of horror moves. And now we've got a

949
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: literal security guarantee for Ukraine. All right, So you look

950
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: at all of that, you look at the US military

951
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: over extension, and and just like nobody can pay attention

952
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 1: even one thing here in Washington, let alone four that

953
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: I just named, and that's I mean the meme about

954
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: Marco Rubio. How much is he supposed to run in

955
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,240
Speaker 1: too pay attention to There's literally only so many hours

956
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,480
Speaker 1: in a day that embrace. And also combined with the

957
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: fact that China has been studying these Russian sanctions now

958
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: for four years and it's explicitly created all of these

959
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: alternate financial systems to make sure that they are sanctioned

960
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:55,399
Speaker 1: proof from the US economy, I've never really thought I've

961
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: never seen it as more likely that they'll just be

962
00:48:57,920 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 1: able to do whatever right.

963
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: And China is cautious and prefers to work within the

964
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 4: status quo. But if the US appears to be erratic

965
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 4: and unstable, then they can't bank on the status quo. Like,

966
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 4: so we're taking away from them their preferred option, which

967
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 4: is just to like sit back and wait and continue

968
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 4: to grow and a mass power and do their thing yes,

969
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,359
Speaker 4: and believe that like the next week and the week

970
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 4: after that, things are going to be, you know, most

971
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 4: of the same, except their position to get a little

972
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 4: bit better. But if the giant power over there is

973
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: like we're going to create Somaliland, We're going to take Venezuela,

974
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 4: We're going to war with Iran.

975
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 3: Again, We're going to take Greenland. Like then China's been

976
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: like okay, well then we got to make some most.

977
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: That's what I was talking about the Soviet you know

978
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: comparison is that they went from a point of view

979
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: of like, we have control of our internal policy, do

980
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 1: we have to be able to project right? I mean,

981
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: it ended up being their downfall with Afghanistan, but you know,

982
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: there was a strategic logic behind all of it. I

983
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: think that's dangerous because that's what led to Afghanistan. It

984
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: was a disaster for them and for us eventually in

985
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 1: terms of the blowback turning now to Venezuela and to oil.

986
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,760
Speaker 1: Let's go and put this up here on the screen.

987
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: Trump administration now saying, quote, I'm pleased to announce the

988
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: interim authorities in Venezuela will be turning over between thirty

989
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: and fifty million barrels of high quality sanctioned oil. Amongst

990
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: oil enthusiasts. By the way, that was the most defensive

991
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: term was calling Venezuelan oil high quality. This oil will

992
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: be sold at its market price. That money will be

993
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: controlled by me as President of the United States to

994
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: ensure it is used to benefit the people of Venezuela

995
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,959
Speaker 1: and the United States. So we now have not only

996
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: imperial booty, but we also have an imperial fund. So

997
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: we were watching the recreation of the British Empire. The

998
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: American Venezuelan Oil Company kind of like the Dutch East

999
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,479
Speaker 1: Indies Company of the sixteen hundreds be created in real time.

1000
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: But Ryan, this is combat. This is at the very

1001
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 1: same time this is happening. Just to explain, you know,

1002
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: this thirty to fifty million, it is all likely. I

1003
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: was reading some oil analyst this morning. That was the

1004
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,400
Speaker 1: oil stockpiled at the docks because we're sanction because it

1005
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,799
Speaker 1: is not being let out, so it is actually taking

1006
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: on the lut space for the It was making it

1007
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: unable for them to have more oil come to the docks.

1008
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: And it was kind of a a gesture that was

1009
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: made here by the United States, but combined I think

1010
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 1: with the demand that you talked about earlier, this is

1011
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of an explicit You have to transfer this oil

1012
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: to us now immediately. With the combination of your kick

1013
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: rush out of the country, kick China, kick Iron, all

1014
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:34,880
Speaker 1: of these people have to be kicked out of the

1015
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: countrys So a complete kind of takeover at least for

1016
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: potentially right now of the oil industry inside of Venezuela.

1017
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 1: But that's also going to run up against reality, right

1018
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,799
Speaker 1: and inside the country could not be This may not

1019
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: go over that well.

1020
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting about this particular announcement is that

1021
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 4: typically what the United States does is it claims it

1022
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 4: is doing a good thing that is for the benefit

1023
00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: of everybody, but in fact the details are a lot grayer,

1024
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: and it's really for the benefit of the United States

1025
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 4: and some oil companies and everybody else is going to

1026
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,880
Speaker 4: get screwed. In this case, they're doing the reverse, Like

1027
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 4: he's publicly saying that this is for the benefit of

1028
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 4: the United States and in particular some oil companies and

1029
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: screw you.

1030
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 3: We're doing whatever we want.

1031
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 4: But if you look at the details, it's actually kind

1032
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 4: of ironically helpful to the Venezuelan government and soa PDVSA.

1033
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 4: So to your point, all this oil because of our sanctions,

1034
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,520
Speaker 4: and we underline that again like we created the problem

1035
00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 4: that they now have, so all their storage capacity is

1036
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 4: mostly full, so they need somewhere to sell this stuff too.

1037
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 4: Previously we revoke their license to be able to sell it.

1038
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 4: The conditions that he's actually allowing this oil to move

1039
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 4: out under are very similar to the conditions of being

1040
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 4: licensed to just move it. The percentages that are getting

1041
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 4: shared in different ways are all similar to what the

1042
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 4: licensing structure was. The South Florida lobby and Rubio demanded

1043
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 4: that that license be stripped. So he's stripped the license

1044
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: and now he's allowing them to do the thing that

1045
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 4: he was licensing them to do, but calling in imperialism.

1046
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 4: It's comical.

1047
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:23,440
Speaker 3: It's like, what do you do.

1048
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 4: It's like he's trying to satisfy the South Florida Gusanos

1049
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 4: with this blood lust but not giving them the actual thing.

1050
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 1: In reality, it's like, actually, it's not a horrible deal.

1051
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, for the Venezuelans, they're going to do a profit.

1052
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be sold at the market price, spot price, right,

1053
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: so you'll be able to actually clear a decent amount

1054
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:45,959
Speaker 1: of money on it, you know, in terms of the oil.

1055
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's another part of the issue is that

1056
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: oil is a literal global market. So the idea that

1057
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: this is just immediately going to flow into US gas

1058
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: pump not exactly true. As you said, it frees up

1059
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: some of the dock space over there. But what I

1060
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: want to know is your theory on how this holds

1061
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 1: up in Venezuela, because if we put the next one

1062
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: on the screen, Ryan, you can break it down some

1063
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 1: of the marches in the streets going a pro Maduro

1064
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,520
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, what do you think like for

1065
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,760
Speaker 1: these people and if they're going to read this headline,

1066
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: they don't know the details of oil like you and

1067
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: I are, I mean, the real industry. We're just reading

1068
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,800
Speaker 1: kind of from them. I mean, it's not exactly something

1069
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: that I think will be a popular move inside of

1070
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: the country.

1071
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: What cuts what makes it more complicated is that. And

1072
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 4: we interviewed Carlos Rown, former Deputy Foreign Minister of Venezuela

1073
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 4: yesterday on our drop site show, and you know, he

1074
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: was making the point that there's so little and I

1075
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: don't want to actually let me just say it in

1076
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 4: my own in my own words, not put it in his.

1077
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 4: But there's so little export going on right now that

1078
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,320
Speaker 4: there's very little revenue that's being shared from that export.

1079
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 3: With the Venezuelan people.

1080
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 4: Like the Bowl of Aaron revolution was based on this

1081
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Speaker 4: idea that we're going to use the proceeds from our

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Speaker 4: vast oil reserves, which at the time, you know, oil

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Speaker 4: is getting up to one hundred dollars a barrel, and

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Speaker 4: that's a dollars one hundred dollars at that time, not

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Speaker 4: today's money. Maybe that's one hundred and fifty. So oil's

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Speaker 4: like three four times as valuable at the time. And

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Speaker 4: then he's spreading, spreading them. Shatas is spreading the wealth around.

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Speaker 4: And by twenty twelve, like it was the Norway model,

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Speaker 4: things were really like like living conditions and say, twenty

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Speaker 4: twelve thirteen had never been better.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And then twenty fourteen the bottom falls out, you know,

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Speaker 4: Shatas dies and then the bottom and the bottom falls

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Speaker 4: out on the oil industry. And they hadn't consolidated the

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Speaker 4: economy to a place where it could be it was

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Speaker 4: diversified enough to withstand this like collapse in energy prices.

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Speaker 4: And we've been string they've been struggling ever since, then

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Speaker 4: throw the sanctions on top.

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Speaker 3: Here we are.

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Speaker 4: But so the point would be that Venezuela's would be like, well,

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Speaker 4: there's really no there's there's nothing to be upset about

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Speaker 4: in the sense that other than the dignity and the

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Speaker 4: like in salt to our sovereignty. But like, we're not

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Speaker 4: getting anything with this oil anyway, Like the thing is

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Speaker 4: destroyed like that, it's effectively wrecked. So if they can

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Speaker 4: actually start exporting some of this and start hiring people

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Speaker 4: and building the industry back up, then and if the

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Speaker 4: and if Rodriguez can message it, which she seems to

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Speaker 4: be effectively doing saying like, okay, this is what Trump

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Speaker 4: is saying, but look this is we're still in control

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Speaker 4: still our oil. Then you know, then I think that

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Speaker 4: the Venezuelan people would be actually okay with it, because

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Speaker 4: like what they want is living conditions to improve.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, right. And what they don't want, though, is Maria Machado,

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Speaker 1: who is currently still making a bid.

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Speaker 4: For who supposedly won with her proxy one with eighty

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Speaker 4: percent of the vote right like a year and a

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Speaker 4: half ago, and now has no support in the country.

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Speaker 3: According to Trump, no, I mean, I mean.

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Speaker 1: This is one of those where it's when when somebody

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Speaker 1: is like the legitimate leader, I'm like, maybe you know,

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Speaker 1: it's what I think. I've been done a lot of study.

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Speaker 4: I think Maduro did some serious fraud in that Lisiously, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 1: I'm not discounting that, right, I'm saying though, when the

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Speaker 1: West is the constant, like the list.

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Speaker 4: Like she did her guy win with seventy eighty percent

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Speaker 4: of the vote, no way, get out of here and

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Speaker 4: where where am glad?

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Speaker 1: My suspicions? Where did that go?

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Speaker 3: Where did seventy eighty percent go?

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Speaker 1: Point? Good point?

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Speaker 4: If she's Nelson Mandela like, people would be like in

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Speaker 4: the streets demanding that she returned.

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Speaker 1: Right, So maybe she did lie actually, or maybe the

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Speaker 1: West lied to us about what happened here. Wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: the first time. But by the way, in her current

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Speaker 1: bid for power, she is now offering to share her

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Speaker 1: Nobel Peace Prize with Donald Trump. You know, reportedly he

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Speaker 1: was very upset that she got the Nobel and he

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Speaker 1: didn't less less sick a listen, did you want any

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Speaker 1: point offer to give him the Nobel Peace Prize? Did

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Speaker 1: that actually happen? I had read that somewhere. I wasn't

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Speaker 1: sure if it was true. Well, it happened.

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Speaker 5: It hasn't happened yet, but I certainly love to be

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Speaker 5: able to personally tell him that we believe the Venison

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Speaker 5: people because he's a surprise of Avanuslan people certainly want

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Speaker 5: to give it to him and share it with him.

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Speaker 1: What has what he has done. As I said.

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Speaker 5: Historque, it's a huge step towards a democratic transition.

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Speaker 4: We want to share the Why don't they just send

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Speaker 4: in the Delta force and take it from her?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they could, Brian, you don't even need that, dude.

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Speaker 1: She's in Russia. She or sorry, she's in Europe. She's

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Speaker 1: not even in uh, she's not even in Venezuela. So

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Speaker 1: and she said that she's going to return. I mean

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Speaker 1: I wonder about that, right because I mean, they don't

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Speaker 1: want her over there. At the same time, they can't

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Speaker 1: do anything to her because or at least they shouldn't,

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Speaker 1: because that means that the US South Florida people would

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Speaker 1: go absolutely crazy. By the way, Lindsay Graham said yesterday

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Speaker 1: that we will eventually, at some at at such time

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Speaker 1: it is appropriate, there will be a democratic transition. Just

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Speaker 1: like we heard about Iraq.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, people.

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Speaker 1: Will be hold lit up their fingers with the being

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Speaker 1: on it again. We'll all celebrate. I'm sure it'll just

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Speaker 1: be totally fine, above board.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just loved the idea of So Trump was

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Speaker 4: asked about this, actually, they said, like, are you upset

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Speaker 4: with her? Did you not make her president? As if

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00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 4: he could make her president? But did that have something

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Speaker 4: to do with you not backing her because you didn't

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Speaker 4: think she deserved the Nobel Peace Prize and you're upset

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Speaker 4: that you didn't get it? And Trump said, well, I

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Speaker 4: don't think she deserved it, So he admitted He's like, but.

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Speaker 1: No, of course not that that isn't that wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Be that, that wouldn't be why we will did dedicate

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Speaker 4: it to him at this at the ceremony, But that

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Speaker 4: wasn't enough, Like she should have just said no, how

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Speaker 4: dare you?

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Speaker 1: The true man of peace is that president?

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Speaker 3: And everything Trump has done since that day has proven

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Speaker 3: that he is a recipient of the true man's peace.

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Speaker 1: Yes? Okay. Finally, though confirming some reporting, will this block

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Speaker 1: Trump basically admitting Maduro's dancing did send him over the edge.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, and he's a violent guy.

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Speaker 2: He gets up there and he tries to imitate my

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Speaker 2: dance a little bit, but he's a violent guy.

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Speaker 1: He imitates. I don't know if it was your dance.

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Speaker 1: You know, you got to say, Maduro, he wasn't. He

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Speaker 1: wasn't a horrible he wasn't a horrible dancer.

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Speaker 3: He's got his own Actually he was good.

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Speaker 1: I thought he was good. Uh. You know, I've had

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Speaker 1: people in Venezuela sending me stuff now for months since

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Speaker 1: we started covering this story. His imagine rendition, it's not

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Speaker 1: horrible ill Spanish, Yeah, it's it's really not that bad,

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Speaker 1: And especially while wearing this sombrero. Somebody sent me that.

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Speaker 1: Literally the day before he was taken out, he had

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Speaker 1: this hilarious New Year's message where he was just driving around,

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Speaker 1: uh and talking about all of the various streets of Washington.

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Speaker 5: D C.

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Speaker 1: He's a Constitution Avenue amazing, so because he drove apparently

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Speaker 1: while he was here,