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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt noel

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Speaker 1: Is on Adventures today. Yes they call me Ben, But

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Speaker 1: most importantly, you are you. You are here that makes

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Speaker 1: this stuff they don't want you to know. We just

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Speaker 1: got the green light from our super producer, Paul, mission

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Speaker 1: controlled decand it is bright today. To Paul, geez it

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Speaker 1: is it must be one of those new LED bulbs.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I seem to recall that one of

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Speaker 1: us anticipated this, Matt, maybe even predicted it. Yes, uh,

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Speaker 1: it might have been. But you and I have made

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Speaker 1: many predictions on this show, right and earlier you predicted

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Speaker 1: that today's episode would be a success. And not vague,

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Speaker 1: not not not vague at all. Now I have a

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Speaker 1: I have a strange inkling that someone who is listening

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Speaker 1: to the show today is either near or not near

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Speaker 1: a body of water. Well, they're either I either their

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Speaker 1: know someone who does. Oh my gosh, I know spooky right,

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Speaker 1: I'm sensing something all right, there's a dog barking. I

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Speaker 1: can hear the yep yep somewhere somewhere. It's a It

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Speaker 1: if you can hear that talk. I'm seeing a plane

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Speaker 1: think it either was a Tuesday, or will be in

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Speaker 1: we're starting this off on a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: let's let's say a little bit of a glib note

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Speaker 1: to just cast a net, you know. And today, folks,

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Speaker 1: we are tackling something many of you have asked us

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Speaker 1: about via email, YouTube comments back in the day, and

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Speaker 1: of course through social media, and that is the nature

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Speaker 1: of a psychic detective. Ultimately, the question is have psychics

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Speaker 1: actually solved crimes? And we've come across several of these

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Speaker 1: types of psychics, right yea that that have looked into crimes,

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Speaker 1: psychics that have been involved with the law in some

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Speaker 1: we've never delved deeply into the United States history of

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Speaker 1: and so to be absolutely clear, this is a true

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Speaker 1: crime episode. Oh yes, and that's really hot right now,

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Speaker 1: we just gotta roll with it. Is old friend again,

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Speaker 1: mastermind of Atlanta Monster. Oh yes, everything I did everything

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Speaker 1: should see Matt, Matt, you are so humble and modest. Uh.

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Speaker 1: doing to me, ben sort of fashion. Yes, let's let's

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Speaker 1: talk about these old United States, the red, white, and blue.

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Speaker 1: We got a bit of a problem when it comes

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Speaker 1: the US in arguably has a problem with crime. And

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Speaker 1: on an even more disturbing level, not only do we

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Speaker 1: As experts work around the clock, at least in theory,

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Speaker 1: they were contacting her to assist with finding a serial

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Speaker 1: killer that they could not locate um. And this is

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Speaker 1: according to the Washington Post from So at the time,

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Speaker 1: Dorothy was working on or she had just written this book,

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Speaker 1: and she was on a book tour. It was called

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Speaker 1: a Psychic Story, and she had recently gone on what

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Speaker 1: is it the Phil Donahue Show, which was huge at

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Speaker 1: the time, one of those talk shows. And after this appearance, apparently,

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Speaker 1: according to this article and according to City Hall of Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: the citizens, numerous citizens were just flooding their phone networks

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Speaker 1: with people saying, you need to talk to Dorothy Allison.

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Speaker 1: She's going to help you out. So this is in

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Speaker 1: the midst of the Atlanta child murders, which occurred from

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy to eighty one. That's and at this point

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Speaker 1: within the Atlanta child murders, where there were thirty plus victims,

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Speaker 1: mostly children, there were already ten young black children who

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Speaker 1: had disappeared and then been found murdered, and then there

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Speaker 1: were four others who were actively missing, several other ones

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Speaker 1: hadn't been reported yet exactly, and there were no major

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Speaker 1: suspects in the case at this moment. So the department itself,

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Speaker 1: the police department, along with the task force that they

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Speaker 1: created in the FBI, are just desperate to get any leads,

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Speaker 1: anything at all. So they called her. And according to

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Speaker 1: Dorothy Allison, she had worked with police in more than

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Speaker 1: a hundred cases, including the Patty Hurst case, uh the kidnapping,

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Speaker 1: as well as the John Gaycey murders, the John Wayne

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Speaker 1: Gaycey murders. Um. She also stated within this article after

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Speaker 1: speaking to people there, that she had helped find more

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Speaker 1: than fifty missing persons through her visions. So she's claiming

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Speaker 1: that over fifty people have been found by her. Here's

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Speaker 1: the here's the tough thing. Even the mothers of some

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Speaker 1: of these these children who were slain, the victims, they

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Speaker 1: were really hopeful that Dorothy might actually come in and

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Speaker 1: find something that just the police investigations, the the more

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Speaker 1: mundane ways of finding somebody, it wasn't working. They were

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Speaker 1: hopeful that Dorothy could. There's a quote here from Willie

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Speaker 1: May Mathis, who was the mother of one of the victims,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Mathis, and she said, I believe in Dorothy Allison.

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Speaker 1: She is not raising false hopes, but I pray she'll

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Speaker 1: tell me my child is still alive, and that kind

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Speaker 1: of the sense that you give a victims a victims

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Speaker 1: family member when you have a psychic coming in that

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Speaker 1: there's hope or something at the end of the tunnel.

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Speaker 1: It's it's so positive and negative at the same time,

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Speaker 1: which is fascinating to me. Powerful I could tell that

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Speaker 1: it really got to you as well and in course

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Speaker 1: of your research and moved you. Well, it did, because

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Speaker 1: I want to believe that Dorothy was trying to help out,

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Speaker 1: but I know she's all so trying to sell her book.

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Speaker 1: She's actively trying to sell her book, and this is

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Speaker 1: a huge national case, and she's putting herself in front

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Speaker 1: of the camera when she's doing this investigation. She's being

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Speaker 1: driven around in a limousine with three days yes, and

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Speaker 1: taking what they referred to after all the fact a

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Speaker 1: wild goose chase. She named over thirty names of who

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Speaker 1: it possibly could bet two. I think, yeah, it was,

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Speaker 1: it was closer to forty two. Um Williams was not

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Speaker 1: in there, although I believe she claims that Williams was

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Speaker 1: in there. Wayne Williams is the name of the person

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Speaker 1: eventually who's convicted of these crimes. Um in the end

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Speaker 1: it seems like she didn't lead them anywhere, And we

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Speaker 1: were looking because I was I was helping with a

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Speaker 1: little bit of the research for this for the Monster Show.

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Speaker 1: And one of the things we found was that many

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Speaker 1: people associated with law enforcement APD at the time did

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Speaker 1: not buy this lad a story. Yeah, they didn't want

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Speaker 1: it to even happen, because her story is that she

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Speaker 1: helped all these people. She had A was an investigator

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Speaker 1: from New Jersey that would be her interpreter for other

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Speaker 1: police departments, because she would give these vague descriptions and

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Speaker 1: then this interpreter would go through and say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: this is what she really means, right, And there's something

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Speaker 1: oracular about that because it calls to mind, you know,

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Speaker 1: the ways that profits or sears of old would have

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Speaker 1: a spiritual revelation, say at Delphi or something, and then

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Speaker 1: someone else would interpret that for the common people, the

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Speaker 1: non enlightened amongst us. Yeah, you're writing that line between

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Speaker 1: if something like this was real, perhaps you would need

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Speaker 1: something like that, but then also if it's not real,

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Speaker 1: it's a helpful tool to kind of obviously skate what

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Speaker 1: you're what's going on. So now the question that I

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Speaker 1: can predict is on everyone's mind? Is is uh Matt

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Speaker 1: Ben Paul mission controlled decand are you all really telling

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Speaker 1: us that this is an enormous con job? Is the

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Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know in this episode,

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Speaker 1: the fact that some psychics don't want you to know

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Speaker 1: they actually don't have powers. Are you going to spend

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Speaker 1: this entire time poo pooing the hope that families have

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Speaker 1: not quite? Not quite? And it's surprised. Frankly, it's surprised

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Speaker 1: both of us to find this and they all, oddly

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Speaker 1: enough come from Australia. Yes, yes, down under, down Under?

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Speaker 1: Am I saying that correctly? Melbourne, Melbourne, Melbourne. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: where you're gonna get a letter about that? Uh soup? Yes.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and one, the body of Thomas All

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Speaker 1: and b R a u N was located by a

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Speaker 1: Perth based clairvoyant named Leona Adams in Western Australia. The

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Speaker 1: body was in Western Australia. Rather, Braun's family had been

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Speaker 1: told to contact Adams. They didn't come out, They didn't

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Speaker 1: come up with this idea of a whole cloth. Adams

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Speaker 1: went to Alice Springs in the northern Territory of Australia,

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Speaker 1: and apparently she took the family members directly to Thomas

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Speaker 1: Braun's remains and it was in a ridge that was

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Speaker 1: about twenty kilometers west of town. They couldn't immediately identify

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Speaker 1: the body, but Adams, again, according to the story, said

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Speaker 1: note that is him, and police later confirmed the remains

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Speaker 1: to be his through DNA testing. That's astonishing, it's just

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Speaker 1: the surface of that is true. Right. And again this

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Speaker 1: this psychic was based in Perth, and that's not the

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Speaker 1: only case that comes to us from Australia. We'll have

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Speaker 1: a couple more for you. Stay tuned after the break.

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Speaker 1: So here's another one. If we jump around in time

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Speaker 1: a little bit. This this one messes, I think with

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Speaker 1: geography the most. In Sydney, Australia, in nineteen nine six,

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Speaker 1: the fiance of a missing person named Paula Brown approached

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Speaker 1: a psychic named Philippe Durant to ask for help. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think it's Philip Durant's Philip. I just so you

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Speaker 1: understand how it's spelled, Philip Durant. Yeah, So Durrant told

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Speaker 1: the police the location of Paula Brown's body. Durrant himself

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Speaker 1: did not physically go and find the body. It was

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Speaker 1: spotted within two miles of where he predicted it would

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Speaker 1: be found by a lorry dry ever who came across

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Speaker 1: the remains, and this prompted uh a statement that changed

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Speaker 1: the game for people who are advocates of psychic detective work.

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Speaker 1: It was this. Even though the body was discovered purely

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Speaker 1: by chance, the speculation by a clairvoyant appears to have

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Speaker 1: been uncannily accurate. Which is a quote from a spokesperson

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Speaker 1: from the police department there, and it's I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: true if you just pointed on a map somewhares that

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Speaker 1: I think that's where it is, and then within two

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Speaker 1: kilometers that's where the person is. That's at least, I

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Speaker 1: don't the chances are very slim for that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: some people would argue they're not as slim as we

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Speaker 1: would think. But I feel, at the very least it's

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Speaker 1: a stunning coincidence. That's very least. It is going to

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Speaker 1: happen every once in a while, right, yeah, just just

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Speaker 1: by odds, but it feels extra special. There was another

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Speaker 1: what's call it a near miss. This is a weird one,

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Speaker 1: and it's it's much more recent in August of an

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Speaker 1: Aboriginal elder named Cheryl Carol log Away claimed that she

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Speaker 1: had seen the location of a missing child, a child

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Speaker 1: name Kesha Abraham's, in a dream, that the location of

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Speaker 1: this body came to her in a dream. Police had

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Speaker 1: been investigating the disappearance, and Carol Loggerway took them, took

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Speaker 1: law enforcement to a location where they did in fact

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Speaker 1: find a dead body. However, it was a body of

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Speaker 1: an adult female, not of the child. Um fortunately unfortunately, right,

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Speaker 1: So it was another maybe we could call it a

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Speaker 1: near miss. But in that situation, what happened there? Could

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Speaker 1: she sense the dead body somehow? I mean? That is

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Speaker 1: that again is astonishing to me? Right? And if someone

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Speaker 1: is being skeptical, they might say, well, did she know

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Speaker 1: of the dead body? And feel like this was the

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Speaker 1: safest way to reveal it? Maybe you know, there are

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Speaker 1: layers to that tail. So the question then becomes, has

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Speaker 1: any psychic actually solved a case? Here's where it gets crazy. No, Well,

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Speaker 1: officially no, right, the official answer is almost always going

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Speaker 1: to be heck no. Even in cases where individual family members, relatives,

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Speaker 1: or law enforcement professionals believe psychics did provide some sort

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Speaker 1: of assistance In fact, multiple law enforcement agencies have official

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Speaker 1: statements claiming they have never uh and are not currently

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Speaker 1: and well not in the future, treat psychic advice as quote,

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Speaker 1: credible information. Not even Australia, they say they do not

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Speaker 1: officially accept assistance from psychics in most cases, don't call us,

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Speaker 1: We'll call you, for lack of a better phrase. However,

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Speaker 1: in Western Australia, the West intern Australia Police say that

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Speaker 1: while they will not seek out info from psychics, they

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Speaker 1: will accept info if it is offered. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think that's the way to handle it. On the

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Speaker 1: off chance that somebody gets lucky or actually does have

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Speaker 1: some kind of powers and know something, we'll take it.

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Speaker 1: But for now we're going to focus on policework. Let's

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Speaker 1: look at some other countries. New Zealand. New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: the United Kingdom also do not officially interact with psychic

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Speaker 1: or the phrase they use spiritual based information spiritually derived information.

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Speaker 1: Although again there's another interesting twist. Yeah, the the United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom's Metropolitan Police was a bit shady about the way

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Speaker 1: they handle this thing. They're saying, quote, we do not

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Speaker 1: identify people we may or may not speak with in

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Speaker 1: connection with inquiries. We are not prepared to discuss this further.

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Speaker 1: Just gotta leave that door open. That is so sketchy.

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Speaker 1: I wouldnt say it's a bit a d We do

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Speaker 1: not identify people we may or may not speak with

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Speaker 1: in connection with inquiries. Were not prepared to discuss this further.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like they're not specifically referring to the question

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Speaker 1: at all. Two psychic detectives any they that could be

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Speaker 1: anything as uh this that that's this a blanket statement

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Speaker 1: that also covers for instance, ce iyes or other inmates

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Speaker 1: or something. And you know, for some reason that phrase,

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Speaker 1: that whole phrase feels very British to me, right, it

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Speaker 1: reminds me of c I A speak. Yeah, it's spook speak.

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Speaker 1: But the that's the thing. They're not saying yes or no, dude,

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Speaker 1: they're hiding. What they're doing with that is they're hiding

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Speaker 1: their interaction with some master AI that they're working with.

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Speaker 1: That's what they're doing, right. This is this similar to

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Speaker 1: that episode where we asked if technology would lead us

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Speaker 1: to a point where we can predict the future. The answer,

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Speaker 1: by the way, if you haven't heard the episode, is um,

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00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: almost Yeah, We're almost there. And show will probably still

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Speaker 1: be on when that happens, right, And then you think

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Speaker 1: about the massive network of security cameras that exist in

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Speaker 1: London alone, some of this other stuff. That's what's happening, dude.

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Speaker 1: That is it is true. By the way, my co

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Speaker 1: host is correct to the United Kingdom has the highest

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Speaker 1: rate of uh CCTV cameras or surveillance cameras in comparison

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Speaker 1: to the size of population in the world. Are they

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Speaker 1: all linked? Uh? The official answer is no. The official

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Speaker 1: answers no. So this is this is fascinating because quotes

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Speaker 1: like this persuade people who do believe that there's there's

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Speaker 1: some sand to the idea of psychic investigation. It seems

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00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 1: like a smoking gun if you believe this. You know

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00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: what about the United States? Well, the United States is

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00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: overall more friendly towards psychics in this regard. A way

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00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: back in there was a survey of police departments from

643
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 1: fifty of the largest cities in the US and they

644
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: found that the third of these departments had accepted information

645
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 1: and predictions from psychic detectives in the past. Of those

646
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: police departments, only seven treated this information from psychics differently

647
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: than they would a normal source, So that means only seven.

648
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: Most likely that means only seven said, Hey, this person's

649
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: real crock pot on high, Let's just leave them the simmer,

650
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, and follow up some real leads. I feel

651
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 1: like that was a convoluted way to get there. I say,

652
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to say a croc I'm trying to

653
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: make I'm trying to work crock pot. I don't know,

654
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: crack pot, crack pot, You're you're far too kind. It

655
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: also turns out that there's something counterintuitive at play here,

656
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: or at least we thought it was counterintuitive. Precincts in

657
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: larger cities are more likely to work with a psychic

658
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: than precincts in smaller cities. I'll tell you why. Why

659
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: is that because they have bigger media in those large cities.

660
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,839
Speaker 1: There are more reasons for the person to get on

661
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: television or be in a you know, a major news

662
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 1: article if you're in a big city doing it. So

663
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: you don't think it's a motivation of the police or

664
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: law enforcement. You think it's a motivation of the person

665
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: attempting to use psychic powers to investigate. I mean, that

666
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: is my opinion with capital Oh, but yeah, that's what

667
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 1: I think I never thought about that. That is a

668
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: fascinating point. Still, no police department reported in this study

669
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: any instances of a psychic investigator providing information that was

670
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: more helpful than other information or other leads they received

671
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: during the course of investigating a case. Since any information

672
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: would have to be proven correct, they could only use

673
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 1: this stuff that matched other evidence as they were building

674
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:18,800
Speaker 1: a case. However, we did find some interesting, tantalizing hints

675
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: of instances of unofficial cooperation. Oh yeah, I mean despite

676
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: this this whole almost universal dismissal of all this psychic

677
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: stuff and psychic based investigation, there there really is evidence

678
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: that police have at least responded to and in many

679
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: cases analyzed the claims of psychics. So taking in all sources,

680
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: you've got to treat it as though there might be

681
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: something there, right, um, And organizations such as the FBI

682
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: have even taken this information into some sort of account

683
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 1: like thinking about it in some way, even if they're

684
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: not treating it as if it's full on evidence. Yeah.

685
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: In a book called mind Hunter, inside the FBI's elite

686
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: Serial Cry Unit, authors John Douglas and Mark Ole Shaker

687
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: note that a former senior investigator for the FBI said

688
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: psychics may be used as quote, a last resort, as

689
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: an investigative tool, with caution for providing clues not directly

690
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: admissible in the court of law, such as comments on

691
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: the criminals character or the location of dead bodies. That's incredible, right,

692
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: because that is someone in the FBI saying, well, it's

693
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: not our favorite thing, but occasionally maybe you know, it's

694
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: not an alien occurrence to them. They didn't immediately say

695
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: that's some TV mini series brew Haha. Well, and that's

696
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: John Douglas, one of the guys that created the whole

697
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: behavior analysts thing, like the science is behind that. He's

698
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 1: one of the guys that did that. And just to

699
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 1: have someone that he's quoting in his book stating something

700
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: like that, that's an oh right. And then again we

701
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 1: see that many psychics and people who support these practices

702
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: believe that police departments are successfully using these folks or

703
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: successfully cooperating with these self proclaimed psychics, but that the

704
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: departments are keeping the knowledge hidden from the public in

705
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: order to preserve their own credibility. So they might secretly

706
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 1: go to some uh, some hermit, you know, and a

707
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: fourth floor walk up in an apartment that doesn't want

708
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: anyone to know that they are capable of finding names

709
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: just by closing their eyes and holding an object that

710
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: the killer of the victim had. That would be psychometry

711
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: is really cool power if its uh, well, at least

712
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 1: we now know what John Edward is doing now that

713
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: he's I guess retired, I mean he might not be retired.

714
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: Famous TV psychic Right who claims to help people commune

715
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: with their loved ones who have passed beyond the mortal veil,

716
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: had a TV show about it. Did he was a

717
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: cold reader? Right? That? That would be my personal take,

718
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But but that's maybe a

719
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: story for another day. Today, we have some conclusions we

720
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 1: can make about this practice, which appears on surface to

721
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: be very American, more so than perhaps you and I

722
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: had assumed going in. What what are our positive conclusions here,

723
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: Matt Well, The biggest one I think we found is

724
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: that in the this type of investigation, when there's a

725
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: missing person's case and there is a loved one, somebody

726
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: has a loved one who has gone missing, the most

727
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,560
Speaker 1: tangible benefit of psychic involvement is hope. Because if you

728
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: can imagine, take yourself to a place where or your

729
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: family member or a friend of yours has gone missing,

730
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: and the police just can't make any progress because there's

731
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 1: no evidence for them to go on. There are no

732
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,359
Speaker 1: witnesses who saw it happen. You just have zero all

733
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: of these questions and zero answers. Someone comes along and

734
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: gives you hope and says, I think I can help

735
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: you find this person. I think I know that they're here.

736
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 1: That that moment of hope I think is the positive thing.

737
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: The problem is it sling shots a lot of times

738
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: to what the negative thing about psychics can be, and

739
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: that is dashing those hopes against rocks or whatever hard

740
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: thing is nearby. How's that because the hope that's generated,

741
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: it's it's not necessarily false, it's just incorrect. A lot

742
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: of the times. When I say false, I mean it's

743
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 1: not someone lying. It's just not the correct information or

744
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 1: you can't prove it. Yeah, exactly. Um. And there is

745
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: no evidence to show that any kind of psychic powers work.

746
00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 1: There's no current evidence to show that it works. There

747
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 1: are some interesting experiments that have been conducted. Yeah, there

748
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: are their experimentations that cannot be replicated though, or they

749
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: have yet to be replicated, and of course fans of

750
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: James Randy Will will be champion at the bit to

751
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: point out that nobody has won that one million dollar

752
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,720
Speaker 1: prize for proving any paranormal activity or any psychic abilities. However,

753
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: on a softer note, it is again inarguable that you

754
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: and I and everyone we know and everyone we've ever

755
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:50,280
Speaker 1: met has experienced something inexplicable. You can call it a strange,

756
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: one in a million coincidence. You can call it um

757
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: a slight glimpse at some part of the universe or

758
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 1: the human mind that we don't under stand. But whether

759
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: skeptical or whether you know true believers, whether you think

760
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: it's all a cynical play for money, or whether you

761
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: think that not only are psychic powers real, but that

762
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: you have experienced an event like this, the truth of

763
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: the matter is that everyone has or will experience something

764
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:25,760
Speaker 1: that they feel is inexplicable, and in many cases the

765
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 1: best science we have can make some educated guesses or

766
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: attempts to explain things, but not all of it. Still

767
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: not all of it. That doesn't mean that these things

768
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: are real. I hate to have to pump the brakes

769
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 1: on that one, but it does mean there's a ton

770
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,919
Speaker 1: of stuff that we do not understand. Yes, there's still

771
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: much for us as humans, you and Ben and Paul

772
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: and I to discover about what we are, how we function,

773
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 1: what our connection to one another is. I think that's

774
00:51:56,360 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: one of the biggest things. And well yeah and no, no,

775
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: because you know, I could definitely feel them in here

776
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,840
Speaker 1: right now. Yeah. Um, he was like scratching on the

777
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: mic earlier. I don't know if you could hear that,

778
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: but he was scratching on the mic. I predict he

779
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: will agree largely. I think we're all on the at

780
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: least us in the room. We're in the on the

781
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: same page in this regard. So a conclusion from the

782
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: skeptic side would say that in most cases these psychics

783
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: are either flat out wrong, or they're getting information that

784
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: was available through mundane means. They've either soaked it up

785
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: subconsciously or it's a coincidence, or in the worst case scenarios,

786
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: they're purposely being misleading. Uh. They might be using methods

787
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: like the one you mentioned, Matt, cold reading, which is

788
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: when you verbally and nonverbally fish for confirmation to things

789
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,240
Speaker 1: that you are saying. You know, it tells that people

790
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: are displaying that they are not aware of and then

791
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: you use those to make them believe that you have

792
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: gained you have access to knowledge. Yeah, you shape whatever

793
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: you're sing to how they're responding, right, Darren Brown is

794
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: a master of something like that. And then they'll also

795
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,479
Speaker 1: point out that the claims of psychics appear to be

796
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,920
Speaker 1: vague and they're often reinterpreted to retroactively fit the facts

797
00:53:13,960 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: of a matter. So that would be a situation like

798
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: similar to what we did in the beginning of the show.

799
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: There's someone near water or it's not water, or sometime

800
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,879
Speaker 1: before or after it has been Tuesday, I can see

801
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: a number seven right. Sometimes the way that that horoscopes

802
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: have been written in the past, where it's like you

803
00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:37,400
Speaker 1: are a unique person. Sometimes you want to do things

804
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: and you do them. Other times you want to do

805
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 1: them and you don't. There will be a hardship, but

806
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: you will get past it with the help of something.

807
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: You're a person who enjoys some music, you know what

808
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: I mean. And I'm not I'm not dinging anybody's spiritual

809
00:53:55,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: belief system. When I'm specifically talking about when I'm knocking horoscopes,

810
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm knocking those, uh weekly half a paragraph things, And

811
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm knocking them because when I used to write them,

812
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I sure as heck was just pulling rabbits out of

813
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: a hat. What Yeah, hold on, yep, hold on, yep.

814
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: Can you say who you wrote it for or what

815
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: you wrote it for? I wrote it for a student newspaper. Oh,

816
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: that's awesome, it's great. I wanted to write features for

817
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: the paper, but they told me. They asked me, do

818
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 1: you believe in what do you think about horoscopes? And

819
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: I said I don't really, I don't buy into it.

820
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: And they said, cool, well you're hired. I said, great

821
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: for what? And they said the horoscope column. I got

822
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: a slow clap on that one. Oh man, you like

823
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: you talked up Leo a lot, right? No? No, no, no, no, no,

824
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 1: I didn't. I wouldn't think it was fair. No. Actually,

825
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 1: I tried to make it somewhat inspirational or or or

826
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: useful for people. Was there ever a negative like a

827
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: specific month or um a sign that had to be

828
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: negative for like, did you cycle through that? Because it

829
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: can't all be positive right now? And I was pretty open.

830
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have done it if I was deceiving people.

831
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: I was pretty open. In the column about how I

832
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't believe in horse. They were kind of on the

833
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: level of a really poorly written version of what you

834
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 1: would read in the Onion or Mad magazine or something.

835
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: So last question, I was not purposely deceiving people into

836
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 1: thinking I had some sort of knowledge of the passage

837
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: of the heavens. Last question, did you have a byline?

838
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 1: And are they available somewhere? You know? I don't know.

839
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm gonna make T shirts with Ben

840
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 1: Boland's horoscomps. Be careful, Matt. Every so often off air,

841
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: I threatened. I threatened Matt with the idea of getting

842
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: us all T shirts with his face on them. Oh, okay,

843
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: that's the birthday. We'll wear them around. So why don't

844
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: you just you and I just be in a T

845
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: shirt Armistice T shirts. He's accepted, so that aside. People

846
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 1: on the other side will will say that there is

847
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 1: something to this and that it's being repressed, and that's

848
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: the reason why it's so difficult to find provable instances

849
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,280
Speaker 1: of psychic detectives solving crimes. That's why they would argue

850
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 1: it's also impossible to find a single person who has

851
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:36,280
Speaker 1: been repeatedly, consistently doing these things. And at this point,

852
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: we want to hear what you think. Do you know

853
00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 1: of a case where a psychic person as inexplicably or

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Speaker 1: And Uh, you know, I don't know about you, Matt,

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Speaker 1: would want to see their take because I read some stuff,

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Speaker 1: uh accounts from several other people claiming to be psychic

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Speaker 1: love to hear your firsthand experiences with things that, even

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Speaker 1: suggestions for future episodes. In the meantime, I'm gonna work

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Speaker 1: on getting Long Island Medium on the show. Oh come on, Manresado,

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Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, will Matt succeed? And uh, well, man,

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Speaker 1: got keep it. Matt, is is this are you annual

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